Cheating in Competitive TF2 Leagues
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- As Team Fortress 2 grows older, with more bugs and exploits showing up, the community-ran leagues tighten their rules and regulations.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Bots (in Casual Mode)
2:07 - Exploits
7:58 - Classes
10:54 - Banned Mods
14:30 - This game's a disaster
Music: pastebin.com/rgVwHcTj
I don't condone the use of cheats, or the use of any exploit that could be classed as cheating. My hope is that with increased awareness of these exploits, the TF2 community can submit fixes onto the TF2 workshop for Valve to consider.
If your goal is to use these exploits in Casual mode, especially the more severe ones, you'd honestly be better off using actual hacks. Hackers are banned so infrequently (by Valve) that a lot of cheaters are running around with inventories full of unusuals, confident that they'll never lose access to them. The only time hacking has any real risk is when venturing into competitive, which is where these exploits suddenly have more use.
Furthermore, these exploits are already public. A certain other CZcamsr would have eventually posted about these.
Despite my joke at the end of the video, Valve is actually starting to add community fixes into the game. It just didn't happen in the summer update itself, which surprised a lot of people.
Subtitles were made by yours truly. - Hry
On an unrelated note, we have just started a 100 player Medieval server. I'm planning on doing a quick video talking about how well it goes.
If you want to join the 50v50 swordfighting, join the Discord at:
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100 Melee mode is the new best mode
Imagine just 50 Demoknights which is commanding by Solar and Fat magic commanding 50 snipers using Huntsman xD, wait right?
Make wummer update video!!!
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Now I don't have to blame myself for being a bad spy and just assume everyone else is cheating
ya man should've just stopped your opponent from abusing cheats L spy get good
But in all seriousness, Crit and Minicrit particles dont disappear for a while even if you are cloaked. If you have been healed by an enemy vaccinator, the icon above your head may persist until you switch classes, and in general a lot of effects in a non modified game can show your position. Not to mention spawning wallhacks, but those are disabled in competitive.
let's be real everyone in this game cheats regardless so better safe than sorry
Just hold out your knife.
@@O5MO it once happened to me with the vaccinator thing an enemy spy just kept dying to me cuz of that bug, its kinda sad but funny at the same time
Back on etf2l we had a really stupid strat. Run a heavy and spy disguised as friendly heavy, then while the other team is typing about us breaking the rules you just win the push 😂
this is such a gigabrain play haha
lmfaoooooo
that's awesome
Gold gameplay.
Could you explain this further? How was it a strategy
This video has taught so many people how to cheat in a pseudo-legitimate way. On one hand, that'll hopefully result in fixes, on the other hand the game is gonna be wacky as all hell for those who choose to abuse it
Ahahahahahahahah ‘hopefully this results in fixes’. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAA
I remember delfy used to get shit on for spreading map exploits lol
I'm here for the Banana explosion effect. That sh*t is hilarious
Valve has had a strange pattern of fixing problems a bit after Shounic highlights them in a video, so hopefully that pattern extends to this.
On the other hand it actually made me interested in getting some particle mods, like the banana one showed in the video lmao
Fun fact:
At 1:19 in the list of "cheaters" banned by the Anti-Cheat team there is at least one non-cheating player. That player is the guy in last place - fidus. He got banned circa a month ago for WH and as proof there is a SINGLE clip that could be summarised as:
The map is KOTH Viaduct. There are 4 people in the clip, our "cheater" (pyro), his medic and heavy and the accuser (enemy spy). Spy is on top of the sniper cliff with the remaining three bellow it. They have no idea spy is there. Pyro is looking slightly up checking the ridge of the cliff, he sees nothing so he turns around to spycheck. There is noone behind him so he turns back to see the accuser disguised as a teammate jumping from the cliff towards our pyro (not to the health pack, rather directly at pyro's head while turning mid air). As anyone would do he presses M1, then he panic airblasts the spy into his own medic. The medic gets stabbed and spy runs away. End of the clip.
One more note, the clip itself was recorded while inspecting the replay and we can hear audio of poeple inspecting it, we havetwo guys there the accuser and the Anti-Cheat team member. And I ALMOST feel sorry for the poor guy, cause the accuser is screaming into his ear that this is "ONE HUNDRED % PROOF THAT PYRO HAS WH! THERE IS NO WAY HE KNEW I WAS THERE! HOW DID HE KNOW IT WAS ME! HE HAS WALLS!" (you know the classic lines).
As I said I almost felt bad for the admin. But like c'mon you're supposed to be good at spotting cheaters. First there was nothing wrong with the clip and second a single clip like this is nowhere near enough evidence to ban someone.
Anyways thanks for reading all of this. I'm not trying to say that all banned people are innocent, just that banned does not mean 100% guilty. After all the ETF2L admins are just normal people like us. And everyone makes mistakes.
I ain't reading allat
I'm happy for you
Or sorry that it happened
@@Starlit_Juno why did you even reply then
@@Starlit_Juno I hope this notification 3 months later slightly annoys you
@@maxhadanideaLike he said, he ain't reading allat
I’m always sused out when a spy calls cheats. Like dude you’re playing spy sometimes you just get fucked.
i remember back in, like, the early 2010s there was this one guy on tftv/ugc who was absolutely 1000% convinced one of the best snipers in highlander was cheating. like constantly accused them of it with increasingly shoddy reasoning. this eventually expanded to him accusing so many snipers of cheating that people felt bad for the people that *weren't* accused lol
If you get accused of cheating while you weren't, in a way it's a compliment
Are you referring to Axiomatic?
@@antusFireNova64it is such an ego boost 😂
Especially since im mid-tier to trash in most competitive modes
M4risa? I remember
did not expect to see my crosshair get clowned at 11:33, ITS GOOD OKAY
naw
Sure chief
shitass
you could fit like 9 crosshairs inside it dude
well why the fuck is it PURPLE then its ugly as hell!!!
Ive talked to quite a few competitive players who ended up closet cheating, usually its because of this one major reason, and i quote one of them : *"after a certain point you become so good that you barely see any improvements anymore which really demotivated me because i thought i was never gonna get better"*
Its basically like muscle growth when you start going to the gym or doing sports, first year or two you see alot of progress but as you continue to improve you start seeing it less and less, which to someone who enjoyed seeing rapid improvement can be mentally draining, so they tend to go to a more "darker" route, whether in tf2 with cheating or steroids in the gym.
*this does not however excuse cheating in any shape or form*
Imagine feeling that insecure
"Darker route" BAHAHAHAHAH YOU ARE A CIVILIAN!
@@zerefoex you good bro?
@@sleepy1066 ye u civi. I am a marine you subhuman.
@@thataintfalco7106 Feeling that insecure?
Imagine that most people are quite insecure in their life, but you still always have room for improvement... you are now at the top of your game, you wont really be better... that sucks...
Wow, this takes me back. I used to be a bug hunter on TF2 near to the game's launch because I had experience modding source engine games from CS:S. I found a lot of these issues and pointed them out to Valve hoping they would update either the game *or* their engine, under the assumption that they would still make competitive games in Source, and god forbid they be inherited into Source 2. Instead, I equipped a bunch of cheaters with easily executed and unbannable cheats. :(
Excellent deep dive though! Great video. :)
You were inadvertently the villain while trying to be the hero.
This is a joke and I’m just taking the piss. That out of the way.
“Nice job Oppenheimer, I’ll see you in hell”
@@simonnachreiner8380 Lmao. I would have felt worse if people hadn't already discovered "$nocash" placed in the game's .vmt (material) files renders objects and players through walls (an exploit that was always known on the Source engine, even before TF2, so NO clue why it was never patched), but at least that problem was correctable with the sv_pure setting. For some reason cheaters focused on making injections to bypass sv_pure instead of doing the thing that took even less effort and brainpower, which was modifying other folders. Still, a pox on my house, I know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Valve just hopes someone like you or me eventually gets sick of their apathy and creates the fix for them..
Funny thing is, fixes exist for many exploitable issues, but the creators refuse to submit them to valve, out of protest of what they have turned the game into over the last decade
Like the guy who created dynamite to help miners yet made a killer weapon lol
Every day third party comp gets mentioned is a good day
third party comp is a cesspool
@@TFNCP not really tbh
@@ozone_au tf2center is horrible but everything else is quite good
@@lilthreadd if u r from eu and que into zack lobby thats where shit gets rough
@@ozone_au you're au right? ozfortress fucking sucks
Does feel crazy that even the highly skilled players would go down that road of cheating that I’m not surprised that some people get accused of hacking because of this
Bruh do you even sleep
it's in fact more likely the more skilled you are, at some point you get frustated by the time it takes to make a miniscule gain, that almost becomes based on chance, so you cheat
“Crazy I was cr-“ nuh hu get out of my head
hello good sir.
@@Bnvnu "speedrunners don't cheat to get a fast run, they cheat to get a fast run faster"
An Uncle Dane and SolarLight video in the same day, must be Christmas
indeed
And both videos in non-standard formats!
"It's like Christmas mornin'."
Or Smissmas
Uncle dane did an unboxing video. I would hardly call that contemt
I just wanna say, thank you for the amazing subtitles! I love how there are different words in bold, italic and in different colors. Makes the video feel like you put even *more* effort into it.
really, it was helpful to just read instead of following the words when i'm in bed, eating, or just dont feel like listening
i thought they were baked into the video, theyre actually youtube's subtitles
It helped me a lot im actually blind but it made me read better
@@patrlim no they are not, these are so very clearly custom made ones
@@finmin2k what I meant was they are made using CZcams's subtitle tools.
Im sorry but this 13:14 part of the video had me dying. My humour is so broken for laughing at the spy radiating fart shockwaves with the fart sound effect
the Banned sticker is also cherry on the top.
8:03 oh my god this got a great laugh out of me
great video as always! your editing has only gotten better and better
oh hi shayy
since you already did undertale while cheating, do undertale as a demoknight
shayy undertale???
6:53 This can also be done without the exploit by using an infinitely looping taunt.
which is why most of them are also banned on comp item whitelists too
@@twpsyn they are banned cause you can see around walls in third person which makes them objectively pay to win this is a niche application
Yeah, even SoundSmith brings it up
@twpsyn To be honest, it's kinda stupid over the Beggar's Bazooka exploit, because that honestly jidt serves as another way to force comp players into running extremely specific weapon loadouts (namely, stock rocket launcher for Soldier)
i'm gonna be honest, I think Phlog cancelling should count as tech rather than cheating. I know it's not a popular sentiment since everyone kinda hates the phlog but in a competitive environment I think it's a cool edge to a weapon that'd only really come out in hyper aggressive situations.
Yeah most of these aren't really cheating, just a creative use of game mechanics.
(Obviously the shit like editing game files is cheating. I just mean like the upward resupply through walls thing.)
@@EzekiesAcheronMechanics implies its intentional. Abusing a bug is accurate.
@@FletcherGoothis is not a bug; the game is behaving exactly as it is supposed to in this circumstance.
@@spectacledman
I’d tend to call this an exploit, though kinda agree that it should be allowed because the Pyro must
A: Deal 300 fire damage
B: Get into a position above an enemy player or use the Thermal Thruster to get onto a part of map geometry (if there’s any on the map)
If the Pyro uses the Thruster then they must deal 300 damage without a damaging secondary and if they use a flare gun then they must get above the enemy with positioning or a Det jump, both of which will likely just result in death. Lets be honest if a Pyro pull off a successful cancel the enemy team probably wasn’t paying attention and will get punished accordingly.
@@Bean41respond to my comment with "no you 😎" to say that your gay
I always suspected that people modified the decloak sound, but never bothered to look it up if it was possible. Some people do a sudden 180 even if you decloak a mile away from them, during a chaotic team battle, and some snap a 180 as you're approaching them.
That is normal if the spy is active
Players memorize the time it takes for the spy to arrive from spawn, and once it could be possibly around they start checking often
Same feels here.
There is also a script that turns you 180 pulls out your melee and holds down mouse one and when you impress it it snaps you back to where you where looking
10:14 honestly though, this is just geometry.
What if you crouch peek an angle? This one seems really easy to do accidentally.
Good to see RGL is smart enough to realize this.
when people are corner sniping it's very clearly intentional and it forces the other sniper to peek with a charge. sniper is garbage and should be banned anyways because highlander overemphasizes the class way too much. btw rgl allows rampant cheating anyway. extremely blatant aimbots and the sort that go unpunished, but if you say a bad meanie word then you're done.
Kind of related, but I honestly have developed such huge trust issues with gaming now when it comes to cheating. Over the past 5 years, a solid 30-40 % of my friends ended up cheating in some way in games whether its through clients, ghosting, etc. I don’t understand it at all and I hate it.
Sounds like you jsut have bad taste in friends. I think I’ve had one “friend” ever cheat and he wasn’t even a friend, jsut a guy we traded with who turned out to be cheating when we tried to get him in the group.
I need more videos of people explaining to me the rules of tf2 comp like this, this was way too comforting to watch.
Danke mate.
As a spy main i felt my soul leave my body during this section 12:59
Yeah he done fucked us
If you use the box trot taunt the bots have a harder time killing you. Fitting that metal gear taunt helps you sneak around them.
I didn't really get why skilled players would take up cheating, just to see what it was like, whatever. But now that i see how easy it is to do some of these to gain a slight edge i get it. Just isn't worth having that label above your head if you get caught.
They get frustrated at not being able to pull something off despite being already skilled, so they shortcut.
They also do it because they feel pressured by team members / viewers to perform well
It really isnt easy to cheat in leagues, skilled players can see it easily. Bans get served liberally.
The answer is obvious, I will personally answer for myself 1:20 (ilmel), I got tired of the game and started resorting to third-party software, outside of official matches I just played and enjoyed the process, no more than I got a lock - a kind of vacation for several years to clear my head of junk and burnout.
Cheating in tf2 has always been a strange case to me
Nice showcase.
Hilarious how large advantages can be gained through editing the TF2 files
yeah really 'funny' how casual will be full of ppl with game modifications, record demoname; stop binds and all of these other ways to cheat for free
@@tf_lecter First of all you're overestimating how many players actually want to spend the effort to get ahead others
- and second, yes, it is HILARIOUS that the developers allow so much purely through customization.
I think whenever the player count spikes up, it's generally a good thing because that gives a lesser chance that a new player sees bots, and quits the game right then and there.
the retry thing got banned because people started using it to just go back to spawn when too many people would chase you behind in pugs 🔥
It spread to scrims after as well
Ever since I heard about ETF2L banning the market gardener and loch n load I've been kinda put off by them LOL, but this is a really interesting video, it's great to hear about these types of rules that you don't see often. The sniper one was a new one for me, too! I don't have too much experience in competitive, but it's nice to see a lot of things like this explained. Lord knows third party competitive could use more videos on it in general. Great vid!
They did that due to how:
1. In 6s it's an easy 1 tap tool to drop med during sac waves. (Sac waves aka a planned out wave of usually ths solly and demo jumping in. In 6s it's mainly always the med bu in HL it can be engies gun,sniper or med mostly, mainly latter to former.)
Idk for the loch n load but it's prob for good reason tbh idk.
@@BloneFGC it's such a good ban reason, both of these bans are EU exclusive. oh did u know eu has the lowest level of 6s when looking at the highest level? they get owned by all other regions. but yeah their choice to ban the MG and lnl is obviously the right move... 🤡
@@BloneFGC loch n load allows demo to pipe shit from really far away (such as the enemy medic) and in very non committal positions which makes it really annoying. the reduced clip and lack of rollers are definitely downsides but the fact that it's less enjoyable to play against is enough for eu to ban stuff. but i'd say that the case for banning/unbanning the mg and loch are both really divisive esp since rgl allows both weapons still
@@ryvn_ryvn_18 why is the direct hit ok then?
@@largin386 direct hit requires more skill to use and you lose splash damage, which is essential to soldier's kit. you need to hit a direct when you use pipes anyway so it doesn't change much when it comes to the loch
Great video, I absolutely love the custom captions. Such love, effort, and creativity put into a thing no one will ever see. Thank you!
thank you demoknight guy for niche cheating scenarios tutorial
bro really taught us how to cheat
I remember over half a decade ago I had some of those exploit mods as a kid. One that removed the scope model from the sniper along with the black area when scoped in and another that replaced the spy decloak with the "surprise buttsecks" meme. Hell my entire game was almost unrecognizable because of the many skin mods I had from gamebanana.
It didn't seem like much at the time, but that extra information was actually so OP. The spy decloak in particular because out of nowhere you'd just hear that stupid meme in the background alerting you of where the spy was.
Casually playing the game
"Surprise buttsecks!"
Turns around and kills spy because of a shitpost
13:11 best part😂
0:06 That transition.🤣
3:41 this is beyond spaghetti, this is fettuccini.
the ipad exploit is a bit hilarious, but mostly because i see it used in friendly servers or vs hale.
but i would be miffed to see it in an actual match to hide information that would help me estimate and predict someones next action.
great video!
Wonderful video! Really love the editing, pacing, visuals, etc on this one.
Although I'd like to say that the majority of community fixes don't get added because they either:
-don't actually have any code, it's just a suggestion/concept
-the code is not their own
-the code is not well written
-the code may cause regression bugs AKA, bugs caused by fixing another bug, which is rather common for TF2
r u the same cobalt as Eliana rivals
@@chairwood yea
Solid ass video, especially since I’m not a TF2 player, but I find the overall game and community very interesting.
Also wanted to compliment the closed captions- it’s ABUNDANTLY clear you put in a lot of effort, the highlighted words and different colors and the opacity being toggled between certain shots, so no important info is blocked.
I think you’re one of, if not the only, CZcamsr I’ve seen fully utilize the captions like this. Small details but very impressive and respectable.
Just wanted to comment for "engagement" and to thank you for the work you did on the subtitles. I am not hard of hearing, but some people put fun stuff in there and you most certainly did.
13:30 That was a Jumpscare of a Joke
appreciate the hand-made subtitles. they are more readable than youtube's automated garbage
I so appreciate the caption edits and captioning everything
11:31 one of the most iconic screams in tf2 competitive
Even as someone who's pretty much never played this game in my life this video was super interesting, keep it up dude!
play the game more :)
@@iminumst7827 I should definitely
Well... Not playing spy for a month after this video for sure. Casual lobbies will be nightmare.
The captions are well done, good job!
i just wanna say i appreciate these captions! they are really awesome
8:30 Velocity and speed aren’t the same thing in real life either
This game truly is held together by globs of chewed bubble gum, Elmer’s glue, scotch tape, and morally grey intentions.
great video! happy to answer your questions 😀
12:34
"These explosion mods are actually pretty cool"
Yes, sir. The Michael Bay Mod is still my favorite. ;)
And it's because of this that people are learning how to update their mods to work on casual servers.
It's actually pretty cool
Now I can set the spy decloak sound to the Fallout 3 version of the Mysterious Stranger appearing sound.
As a fellow neighbour of yours beeing a cs player I really enjoyed to watch this video! Man people are so nerdy figuring all this stuff out I love it! :)
Of cause not cheats or all the exploits but when something creative is beeing found.
11:04 you made the mod get taken down, why solar why
Is there any archive or any alternative way to install it? Asking for a friend
Thanks for showing everyone how to do these exploits.... i'm sure people wont start doing them in casual now...
literally the most braindead video to have been released in years, but can u be surprised. ppl in csgo promote gambling to children bc it gets them traffic. no surprise tf2 mfs will trade the ability to play the game for clicks on their video
Blame Valve for not fixing them for so long.
thats a strawman argument and holds 0 ground@@zelbekon
@@tf_lecter No it really isn't
@@ThyBigCheddar mfw u dont know what a logical fallacy is... ur literally shifting the blame to valve and off of the rats exploiting
For the sniper part, You can still hit the head hitbox but it becomes extremely thin. Basicly if they are able to still hit you, you can still hit them, its just a much harder shot.
Wow, i have Closed Captions on and you put a lot of effort into those.
i like how he changes the color of subtitles and moves them around
I love how every Tf2 CZcamsr is dunking on Pyrocynical for using the fat mod so funny
2:30 i like exploits are gold in Subtitles
Valve just needs to file a lawsuit against bot hosters.
epic editing and humor. loved the video!
8:23 Actually, they're building up speed. It's the velocity that doesn't change, because velocity is dependent on displacement. Because they're stationary, they aren't increasing their velocity, but because they're accelerating, they are increasing their speed.
Thank you for exposing the reverse quantum crouch solarlight, now everyone who tries it will find out that it only works very rarely and they'll just be feeding the engies all the kills 😂
loving this new video style of yours!
Love the Pokemon Gale of Darkness music!
Great video, now i can break every competitive rule at once!
8:14 that's real life logic too...
Oh boy. While I do understand that exposure is how some of this stuff gets fixed (in theory), I can't say I'm excited to know this video will teach a lot more players how to install that Spy cloak sound exploit. It's already an incredibly hard to detect mod in the comp scene unless the player is being very obvious about it. Again, exposure is hopefully what will lead to it being fixed, I'm just dreading it being more commonplace.
Valve is entirely to blame. They had ample time to fix it.
@@Spokenword They still *HAVE* time to fix it, they just choose not to give a shit.
I feel like people who are willing to cheat would already know about this
Gatekeeping sound mods
@@chost-059 its literal cheating
these subtitles are so good compared to the non-stop subtitles most youtubers/shorts use nowadays, thanks.
Thank you for the awesome subtitles.
2:00 Your first mistake was using Twitter.
My goodness both the vid and the subtitles are amazing
Amazes me to see Comp TF2 still going over 15 years since it began, it isn't as strong a scene but there were legendary moments and great memories, this video also reflects how hard it is to be a moderator, specifically a Senior one / Anti-cheat one, some accuse them of being fairly strict but I do think it is necessary for the integrity of the game.
The title is very interesting to me🗿
Why hello there
13:22 Ah, the Roadkill! special
11:13
I swear this is just a group hallucination
Your editing style is becoming the AsumSaus of TF2. It’s beautiful.
7:50 so thats why bot can see invisible spys thats so annoying
Nah, the bots use something called ESP. After all, they're hacking. Don't need exploits if you're already hacking.
someone should start a league where all of this is fair game if it hasn't been made already
Good job providing closed captions
Thanks for reminding me of the Instant Uber Bug video. Had to rewatch it. A classic.
1:21 lmaooo I bumped into that imperator guy a bunch a few years back and he got sooo damn salty at my presence every single time even if I was barely doing anything. I was able to keep up to him as Sniper too so if he was cheating then, then that is a fucking RIP haha
4:18 literally 1984
Context ?
@cringehunter3812
The fact it's literally 1984
That bangin' Goldeneye music outro. Wew.
7:14 i love how you almost broke down after that joke
BAHAHAHA 11:12 iconic
But I thought it was all in le head?
I think the phlog cancel should be allowed because of how hard it can be to do on more skilled players
Solar, my beloved, you never said you were a yakuza gamer. That is gameplay I would love to see
Hahaha you put moist critical right after he mentioned jesus. Absolutely amazing video!
Oh god. Casual boutta be crazy huh
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy.
@@simpIeidiot hilarious and original
l love how most of the lightning round exploits are completely exclusive to Upward.
It still baffles me that such a buggy map has been allowed in comp for this long.
If you ignore the bugs it's a contender for best designed map in the gane
Wonder if anyone got banned because of them getting launched up into the ceiling by someone on the enemy team and hitting the resupply through the ceiling?
Those are some sweet subtitles Solarlight
the closed captions were great!
Can’t wait to see all these bugs in casual now that you made a video about it… hooray…
for real ppl who make content like this are the ones killing the game. and then they give strawmen arguments like "valve wouldnt do anything otherwise" when in reality, only 0.001% of ppl were in the know about these exploits before. but now, anyone and their mom knows abt it.. the lack of self-awareness on display is shameful, trading the game's overall playability for clicks. 0 integrity type beat. or so conceited that he thinks this will get anything fixed (it wont, u delusional)
@@tf_lecter bruh it was a joke
@@tf_lecter valve had 10 years to fix these issues
thats a strawman argument, it holds no weight@@unsmoshed8190
@@tf_lecter cry about it LMAO. Already got the mod for 5 days and whacking retard spies for my f2p engie teammates has never been this satisfying. COPE
that transition at the beginning 💀
YES, WE ARE THE BOTTERS, WE MICSPAM THE BEST THING EVER.
@@zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxzzzzzzzzz what
i really loved the captions on this
The captions are fantastic
Oh god. Now more people know. Playing spy in pubs just got that much trickier.