Ventrac Vs Steiner Tough Cut Deck
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- This video shows some of the differences of the Ventrac tough cut over the Steiner. After using both decks for almost the same amount of years I sold my Steiner deck and got the Ventrac. The models discussed in this video are the Ventrac HQ680 and the Steiner 75-71300. If you would like to check out more on the Ventrac HQ680 just click on the link below.
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I have never seen any Steiner equipment first hand. The view you provided of the steiner version of tough cut revealed a feature that would have led to significant damage very quikly in my application; that bar that crosses the front between the wheels. That would be mangled very quickly in reclaiming my fence lines from multiflora rose and olive. I did manage to destroy the left side wheel yolk on the Ventrac and it is a HEAVY steel part. I have also managed to bend the left most blade baffle, the rounded under deck debris guide and will need to pull it back into original shape. I have my anti scalp wheels set high and my wheel kit set way higher than yours, I cut at 5" blade height to allow thick and tough turf on very steep slopes. Tip, consider the "All American" blade sharpening jig with 40grit flap wheels for blade sharpening. Works great!
I never really liked the wheels to the far outside. The main thing was I couldn't load it on my equipment trailer easily at all. If it would lift straight up without having to put it in transport mode would have been nice. Them wheels always got in my way. I will check out that blade sharpener also, Thanks.
My Neighbor has a Steiner and I have a ventrac. We worked together on a hillside mowing and his machine went up the hill better than mine every time I would spin out where his wouldn’t. But mine will mow sidehills that his won’t do. So it’s a little trade off. Ventrac is more comfortable we both agree. And easier to put the ventrac in high speed for goin down the road.
I think its the tires. My bar treads were great pushing dirt and snow, But when you would angle the blade it would push you sideways more. With the tires on the Ventrac it wont push me sideways. You just cant beat the comfort and layout on the Ventrac.
@@steiger256 he and I have the same tires only difference is I have dual tires he has single
@@derekhaynes4251 oh. Ok. The singles get more weight on them. Duels are better all around on hills tho.
I recently purchased a Ventrac 4500Y tractor (diesel) and the HQ680 deck. I was very, very disappointed in the reliability of the Ventrac deck. The main drive belt would be frayed after several hours of use and it would break by 10 hours of use. The dealer kept checking the deck and replacing the belts under warranty. After this occurred numerous times, they said it was my fault because I was raising the deck with the blades engaged. So I stopped doing that, but the belt continued to fail. Then the dealer said it was my fault for not running the engine at wide open throttle. I have the diesel engine and I like running at 2300 RPMS to get peak torque and to make the engine last longer. The deck cuts fine at that speed. To me, it seems crazy to run WOT to make the drive belt last ! I am not sure if my deck has a quality issue or if this is a design issue that affects all of the decks. But I am not a happy Ventrac customer.
I am not sure why the belt would be doing that. I have 16 hours on mine so far and it is like new yet. I will say, Make sure you run WOT. The Kubota engines are designed to run at 3600 RPM. It is very hard on the pumps to run lower RPMs as well. I would run wide open and see if it fixes it. The blade speed increases a lot at full throttle as well. It may not be spinning blades fast enough to cut grass and be hard on belt. I really hope you can get it resolved, Because I love my 4500 so far.
@@steiger256 I would agree
@@steiger256 Thank you for replying to my comment. You are correct that the Ventrac belt life improved if I run the engine at wide open throttle. But I can't live with that. I have never heard of a deck that destroys the drive belt if it is not run at full speed . The Ventrac clearly has design/manufacturing issues. I returned the Ventrac deck and purchased a Steiner deck. What an improvement ! I can run the deck at any speed I want to and the drive belt still looks like new.
@@bobmcmillan7896 I am glad it helped. I will still strongly suggest running the engine at full throttle while mowing. It is hard on the hydro pumps running lower RPMs as well as many times running lower RPMs also increases fuel usage by making the engine struggle more. The cut quality is way better and the grass cuts better with running high RPMs also. The Steiner deck comes with standard lift blades. I purchased the high lift for my Steiner deck when I purchased it. The Ventrac comes standard with high lift blades. Running lower RPMs may not suck the grass up as well running lower RPMs as well. Running full throttle mowing is probably less harmful to the machine than running lower. I know at full throttle it is screaming for a diesel, But its designed to run at 3600. You will also notice running full throttle that the machine steers better and lifts quicker as well. At least your belt problems have been fixed. I hope all this information has been helpful.
Bob, I damaged (and I blame myself and the job conditions - not the equipment) two tough cut belts. The application was clearing heavily overgrown fence lines of olive, rose, and mixed brush. The cause was heavy woody stems or branches getting inward to the Ventrac's belt guard causing the guard to rub and even schred the belt. The first time, I smelled burning belt, stopped abd reshaped the guard. Soon after I smelled belt burn again and the belt broke before I could respond. New belt, reshaped the guard, again, and repeat with same ole, same ole and damaged belt. I reshaped the guard again and tossed it into my scarp pile. Replaced betl and ran/running still with NO belt guard and belt is still in good condtion after 4 years of frequent use. I run the new side discharge 72 inch de,ck, the big rotary broom, the boom arm mower, and was running the contour mower all without that danged stupid belt scherdding guard. No problem. I do not run tough cut at full RPM very often, the "sweet spot" for torque on the Kubota gas engine seems to be about 3000 to 3200 rpm. I sometimes run it slower.
Fun fact the ventrac and steiner were invented by two people named Steiner (im pretty sure they are related) (steiner inventor- Rudolf Steiner) (Ventrac inventer - Marvin Steiner)
True. The Steiner family made the first Steiner tractor in the early 70s. They sold the company in 1989. In 1998 the came back out with a new company Venture products. They made the Ventrac tractor from 1998 to present. Dallas Steiner is the CEO of Venture products. Ventrac was the pioneer of this turf equipment. Ever since they came back out with there turf equipment, Ventrac has been in overdrive coming out with new attachments every year. I loved my old Steiner, But I am in love with my new Ventrac.
@@steiger256 love reading this…very interesting.
@@steiger256 Venture Products, Inc. was acquired by The Toro Company in January 2020.
I have a 420 with 6000 hours on it. It needs a front axle replaced because it no longer pulls,but with that said I just bought a 4500 z and it amazing. Yes I love my 420 and my old 410 which still runs and mows great . The Ventrac is a beast.
“Guys 4 inches might be impressive and it might make a difference somewhere but it’s not going to make or break a deal in the pasture”
That’s almost exactly what my wife told me. Except for the pasture part and about it being impressive. It was more of a ha ha and a it’ll do.
Thank you for the nice info ! 👍🏼
Today I went from operating a Ventrac to a Steiner. So far, there's two things I don't like about the Steiner. Forward and reverse is now under my right foot. And the seat belt is too loose.
I do not like the foot petal on the Steiner either.
@@steiger256 I’m doing my research and this video is super helpful. Can’t decide if it’s worth paying 25% more for the Ventrac or not. Prices keep going up…also don’t know if diesel is the better option or gas.
Thanks for the detailed video-I'm going to get the Ventrac HQ680 with swivel wheel kit
Glad to help
Yes, it’s very small, but it works
Are Steiners and new Ventrac The same company or are they from the original same company? I’m a little confused about Steiner’s history and Ventrex history.
The Steiner brothers made Steiners in the 70s and 80s. They sold Steiner in 1988. 10 years later they started a new company called Ventrac. The original makers of the tractor is now Ventrac. I did 2 history videos on the company and am currently working on a 3rd video. Look up steiner or Ventrac history to check them out.
Thanks
Hey Steiger 256! Can you tell me what's inside the gas tank on the Steiner 450 to hold on to the cap when filling with gas? Mine fell off and into the tank and I have fished and fished for it with no luck. Thanks!
Sorry, I am not sure, But I know someone who has one I can check next time i am over there.
Thanks! No need to go to any trouble, but if you’re there and you remember, I’d appreciate it.
When you bought your machine, do you typically pay MSRP? Or are you able to negotiate a better deal?
My dealer is pretty good. They usually throw a spring sale, But with Covid there openhouse was canceled. I was fortunate enough to get 10 percent off. I was pretty happy with that.
How fast dose the ventrac and how fast the Steiner go?
Ventrac, going forward @ 2900 rpm, 9.5 mph, reverse is about 8
The Steiner doesn't have a speedometer so I couldn't tell ya that.
@@imagoinfishin I gotcha bud and trying to decided which one I want to get later on and a dealer is a few hours away for either one and really like both machines
@@davidtravis1367 what did you go with?
I’m looking now and comparing/trying to decide which to get.
Steiner Rules
Hey, will you be making anymore videos on the 582?
I would have liked to have had it done. Still waiting on paint. I do pkan on making more videos on it soon. I am going to try to get it painted so I can finish it up soon.
thanks for your time the echo in your building and the lighting also is bad
Sorry. I have a wireless mic and light now to deal with them issues. I have been trying to upgrade as I go. The echo was pretty bad.
What does a new Ventrac cost
I am not sure now. The prices went up a few months back. If I were to guess just the tractor would be 23k range. You would have to contact a dealer for exact price tho.
click bate..... you got me.... please change thumb nail..... not cool
Agree! When will this click bait thumbnail rubbish stop? Thumbs down for people who lower themselves to this!
Audio sucks!!!!