17 Years late Bretonnia Army Book Review
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2021
- Ok lets do it, Warhammer Fantasy Battles 8th edition Bretonnia Army Book review time...just 17 years late.
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Bretonnia was a legendary army. The feel of having to use the 6th edition codex against 8th edition ones was something to behold. Also, the art in that book is fantastic, shoutout to Paul Dainton for creating those immense artworks. I miss them so much :(
There is an unoffical Army Book in 8th edition. Some of it is way OP and hasen't been tested before ; but since it's unofficial you're free to change it to some extent and be able to play an updated bretonnian army.
I'm a massive bretonnia fangirl, there is so much I love about them I don't even know where to start. But in all honestly the thing I love about them most (and I know just how weird this sounds) is the peasant units, the Trebuchet, peasant bowmen and most of all the Men-at-arms. Third party models don't do it for me either, its the GW 6th edition bretonnians that got them perfect, they just look so great to me.
I'm so glad that I've managed to scrape together a Bretonnian peasant army through Ebay, it costed me less that I expected but took a long time to find the bargains that were fixable. Today is the first time i'm going to get to play with all of them, a full Bretonnian army, outfitted with grail knights, knights of the realm and King Louen.
I think a lot of the "I would have gotten a bretonnia army."
That didn't was from the painting challenge.
I really love that you would review these books that we still play to this day.
Great review, you are spot on with you guesses to the wording in the errata.
Just a few comments based on the errata:
1. defensive stakes are now just fences.
2. "Virtue of Heroism" now only gives heroic killing blow. That means you are allowed magic weapons.
3. "The Prayer Icon" can be used to give the blessing to a unit of peasants. So it is possible to have a horde of 50 men-at-arms with a 6++ (5++) ward save.
4. "Banner of the Lady" also removed the Skaven's "strength in numbers" rule
Do you think that the 4++ ward from the "Grail Shield" also extents to the mount? in that case it makes a hippogriph almost viable.
The Grail Shield doesn’t apply to the characters mount. It’s clarified in the FAQ section of the errata document. It’s a shame!
@@Knoffles :(
This was not the book to review without the errata or FAQ handy.
My favorite battle is you with high elves getting tabled by Owen with bretonians
Do you have a link to that?:)
Everyone has claimed to have wanted a bretonnian army since the end of whfb. Didn't see a whole lot of people actually playing with them. They're one of my great loves. Had a lot of success with that book despite being hamstrung with using a book from 6th edition. It's crazy to think that GW didn't even bother to give them a white dwarf update to help bridge the edition gap.
I think its the hobby aspect keepibg people away. I know you can paint all the same but at that point you miss the point imo
@@BeardedWargaming might be right, I own 2-3 armies worth of Brets, but haven’t painted one fully in 25 years.
They’re intimidating
it was never really played that much. People liked the idea of them more than actually wanting the army. Also its probably also a case of didn't know what you had until its gone.
@@gwell2118 100%. Nobody actually played them at the time because of the outdated book, hamstringing points values and the fact that empire and high elves were kicking out better cav armies in 8th. I've heard an absolute ton of "I wish I could get brets" since the game ended and total war dropped but not many people demonstrating an interest when they were on the shelves.
Bret army building was more challenging than most others due to the less than uniform painting of knights. When each knight is unique, it requires much more thought and planning as well as more paint time due to brush cleaning between colour sets. The only units that are somewhat uniform in coloring are the peasants displaying their lords livery(so the men at arms, the bowmen, the yeomen, and maybe the grail pilgrims matching their grail reliquae) this leaves at least 20-30 knights and lords with their own unique designs. Just to form a comparison of thought processing between planning an Empire army vs planning a Bretonnia army, 80% of an Empire army would have the same colour scheme, whereas the Bretonnian army only has 20-30% of a similar sized army painted under a blanket colour scheme.
Yes!!! Currently building a bretonnian army for 5th edition, but of course I’ll play some 8th as well!!!
this channel rules. It is so cool that so many folks are still playing warhammer fantasy 8th edition
The green knight is my favorite classic WH model. What an absolute unit.
Bretonnians are everything Fantasy is supposed to be. Beautiful, magical, noble, and deadly.
What isn't there to love about this army?!?!
Thanks for making this video, I've been looking forward to it!
Edit: Bretonnia was my first army as a kid, because our dad got us the 5th edition starter set with Lizardmen/Bretonnia. I quickly moved on to Orcs and Goblins because the Bretonnians were hard to paint. I've now painted most of my Bretonnians from those days - looking forward to their future return!
For the Lady. For Noble Brettonia.
You guys got a 6th edition Vampire Counts Army book review video?
I love bretonnia, although, ... not sure if it's something in the army book states but in medieval times (feudal age) not all knights were nobles. Only very few were lords. Most knights weren't nobles but professional soldiers employed by lords and given some of the best equipement (Horse, weapons, armor, etc) and regular training.
Given that the Knights of the Realm is a core units, I'd be pretty sure none or very few were noble or lords.
i feel like battle pilgrims have some uses as a small unit especially if they get flanked. they still get their ward against attacks to the side or rear and have a 5+ ward vs S5 or higher. Plus being stubborn still has its uses. though they feel out of place and i dont know if just getting more men at arms is better.
Also, do you play with the FAQs? The bowman's stakes count as a fence for purposes of dangerous terrain. Not only is the Banner of the Lady amazing for your knights combat resolution, but it's insane versus Skaven since they do not receive their 'Strength From Numbers' rule while in base contact with the bearer of the standard (maybe a use for a Skaven assassin haha)
Just thought of a decent combo against melee lord armies: Bretonnian Lord with Sirienne's Locket and The Virtue of Heroism accompanied by a Life Damsel and issue a challenge. Probably pretty crazy against Vampire Counts unless they have Killing Blow though I suppose maybe it could be countered by the Grave Guard that are likely in the unit if the VC player then refuses the challenge. alternatively you could have Sirienne's Locket with the Gauntlet of the Duel and the Virtue of Confidence or Sword of Heoroes.
Funny I was just wondering when you would do this video. I miss this army so much it's what got me into fantasy. One of the few books I still own from FanBat
Haha, absolutely right Steve. But long live the ninja star throwing assassin. ;P Love the reviews mate, keep them coming.
I miss my Bretonnia army so much ;_;
Trebuchet is basically a hell cannon without all the craziness. And super cheap
This brought back alot of memories of shooting the mounts out from under the riders during charges...
I thought it was just assumed that their lance broke and so they fell back on their swords.
What was the phone call 😂🤣😂
I know you said you hate the tailored items, but maybe they would finally give Cullen and Luka a chance if they used them. Lol
17 years...wait, what is my age again???😱
Bretonnia is my fav army in both WH and WH40k
I wonder how many space marine codex books have been released in 17 years?
The only virtue that I've ever taken more than once in the same army is the virtue of empathy. If you play a scenario where it is necessary to hold a building in order to win the game, you cannot rely on cavalry. Men at Armes with the Icon of Quenelles and with two or three knights with the virtue of empathy is a good choice then.
I have a louen leoncoeur model! Fine cast and unpainted
Brets are like those artists that become popular after they die, I’m just about to start a Brets army myself, here I come bandwagon! Thanks for the vid, love the review!
YES! Literally waited 17 years for this! One question though which has always bothered me.....grail knights can't be joined by models with the Knights vow or questing Knights vow but it only says questing Knights can't be joined by models with the Knights vow....so can a questing knight unit be joined by a character that has the grail vow? I would have thought no but RAW isn't really clear
It is a rank issue. Basically, Grail outranks Quest that outranks Realm. So no character with a lower “rank” can join the unit, but higher “rank” characters can.
@@AB-ci9bh true. But I always saw the conflict between questing Knights not having lances but are happy to have a dude join them can use one. Also I thought a questing knight wouldn't lower himself to join a knight unit and a grail knight wouldn't lower himself to join a questing unit. I think it would have been better to just say no mixing of vows in units
@@seanhaines7558 yes and no. To borrow your examples, I see it like a lone questing knight joining a battle and fighting toghether with his (once)peers, or an acclaimed Grail knight leading a unit of aspirants by example (kinda like in the old “errantry war” list with errant knights). But ultimately it come down to the decision and believes of the single knight, so your interpretation works too. Think of it like an extension of the virtue of emphaty. 😉
@@AB-ci9bh cheers. 17 years and I finally got a decent explanation for it 😊
@@seanhaines7558 you are welcome! 😁
Man I keep forgetting to send you my tactica for Brets out of 8th edition, like I said I would. I need to get on that.
Was that the one with the Lance/Arrow formation? Their charges were wicked brutal. And hordes of Arrows flying over head was Nards.
5th
I have like 6 metal battle pilgrims and a painted grail relic
Grail Relique should be pronounced historically as - "Grale Releek"
Grail "Gr (long A) l"
Relique "Re (short e) lee (long E) k".
Not sure if you try to make it sound like we say it French, but "Relique du Graal" We don't linger on the E. it's pretty much exactly as "Relic" but with a French accent (The Re is less "round" and the "i" is like the word "lick")
(Actually "Grail Reliquae" might be translated as "Reliquaire du Graal", I don't know I never looked at this army book's translated version)
@@Deadknight67 Yes sir. You hear everyone say "rell ik qway" and I don't believe that was correct.
Please correct me if I am wrong. 👍🏻
@@thomasburns6655 Reliquae (or Reliquiae) is a latin word, so I wouldn't really know the pronounciation. It would probably be something like [Relik-ui-yé] or /ʁə.lik.ɥi.ye/. I don't know if it makes sense to you, I don't know how to make french sounding syllabes without using French accents. 😢
GW trying to be fancy using latin words xD
@@Deadknight67 I suppose as long as I am getting a 5+ ward save... You can pronounce it any way you like! 🤣
@@thomasburns6655 Exactly :p
9 minutes in. 5 commercials..... nooooo
This book is almost older than me.
For ze Lady!!!
Please m8 go for Ogres or Dark elves next.
Dismissing the "Prayer Icon of Quenelles" is imo a big mistake. You should try to put it on a cheap damsel in a huge unit of Men at arms. That 6/5+ ward on 40+ infantry makes em last for ages. in my experience its a "Must include" in most of my builds. Anyways thx for posting. I love Bretts, they were my first army and I rock a 30k collection of them now :)
honestly that never even crossed my mind. peasants dont deserve the blessing!
in seriousness tho, im gonna try this.
@@MountainMiniatures Yessss FILTHY PEASANTS dont deserve this !!! :p
I did that several times. Men at Arms with the Icon work very well. Sometimes I put a Paladin on foot into that unit.
@@MountainMiniatures Absolutely man. Had a lot of success with a level 1 beast damsel in the unit just buffing up the halberds. Makes them surprisingly hurty and sticky.
have to agree on the must include on a life damsel in a peasant block. getting flesh to stone/throne of vines made a great block
These reviews are unique on youtube. You give a little bit of context here about Bretonia being powerful in 7th, but that is only partly true. There were 2 Army books that were OP in 6th. Bretonnia and Woodelves. These books did well in 7th for the most part, but fell behind when the books started to power creep. The big 3 of 7th being Dark Elves, Vampires and Daemons of Chaos. The Woodelves and Bretonnias could still compete in 8th, but had few viable builds and fewer margins for error. Woodelves being MSU avoidance and Bretonians being Hero spam with Mountain Chimera delivery system.
Oh, as you were about to say (1.04), in earlier editions when you pursued a unit after winning a combat; that perusing unit captured the fleeing units standard. To represent this you would take their standard and place it behind the unit. This was no longer the case in 8th.
Great review. Hard to watch or listen with all the adds.
Amen