KEF KC92 Subwoofer Review with iBX

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  • čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
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Komentáře • 116

  • @joentell
    @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +4

    To be clear, I'm not sure if this does have a fan inside near the heatsink, but I was able to hear a whirring sound even when no sound was being played out of it. Hopefully, someone from KEF can chime in on this.
    The more I think of it, it might just be audible hiss from the amp causing what I thought was a whirring sound. In that case, it could possibly be an air leak.

    • @fehmiugurunal
      @fehmiugurunal Před 4 měsíci +5

      do a Noctua mod to it

    • @nikto34
      @nikto34 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Not sure but there may have been an issue with the unit? Was it a review unit? I have the KF-92 (seems identical to KC-92?) and it does not make that noise. 10:09

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@nikto34 I can't tell

    • @kookiethebear
      @kookiethebear Před 4 měsíci

      There are no fans inside the cube - www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/kef-kc92/KC92xrayvision.jpg/image_large

    • @iCuzZ
      @iCuzZ Před 4 měsíci

      It sounds like coil whine and it would make sense that if power is increased or degreased it will change.

  • @roccobruno8027
    @roccobruno8027 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Living in a condo I needed a compact yet capable subwoofer. I was able to purchase two of these subs and I couldn't be happier for both music and home theatre. It's nice to see a company like KEF take the compact subwoofer market seriously because not everyone is able to use a larger subwoofer never mind two. The max I have every driven my the two subs has been 105 decibels and thankfully the DSP didn't curtail the bottom most frequencies to gain the extra output. Thankfully my Anthem AVM 70 has dual subwoofer outputs and the ARC software did a great job ironing out my room problems.

    • @michael-4k4000
      @michael-4k4000 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Try 4 of them and be 4 times as happy!

    • @roccobruno8027
      @roccobruno8027 Před 3 měsíci

      @@michael-4k4000 In the future.

    • @nicoloserri6071
      @nicoloserri6071 Před 3 měsíci

      How is going with the neighbours?
      Aren't these too noisy for a condo?

    • @roccobruno8027
      @roccobruno8027 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@nicoloserri6071 Thankfully I haven't had any issues but I also make sure to run the system at times when I know people aren't sleeping or waking up.

  • @ErinsAudioCorner
    @ErinsAudioCorner Před 4 měsíci +14

    Swear I thought the title said “IBS”. 😂
    Good video, Joe!

    • @MrJhardencdj
      @MrJhardencdj Před 4 měsíci +2

      That's because they hit so hard they rattle your innerds

    • @nboejui
      @nboejui Před 4 měsíci

      Erin, we are excited to see your review on this hopefully. If you could include more comparisons in your video, that would be awesome too.

    • @xguillaume3134
      @xguillaume3134 Před 4 měsíci

      @@MrJhardencdj may be caused by Infrasonic Wave which is no good for helth

  • @maxwinderlich9410
    @maxwinderlich9410 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Had two of the older version without trigger input.
    Sonically good subs, however, the missing trigger input sucked.
    The sub output on my pre-pro had to be turned up to max. to wake up the sub.
    Finally I replaced the KC92‘s by two B&W DB2D‘s. It was a huge step up!

  • @hugoknapp
    @hugoknapp Před 4 měsíci +1

    I freaking love my KF92 subwoofer! No complaints so far. I have the first revision of this subwoofer paired with a B&W ASW610XP sub. Mine doesn't have the squeal noise yours does, but I've heard it before on a few D-Class amps... So I think it's to do with that. Also I've not heard any discernible delay between this sub and my B&W! I'm little jealous the new revision gets the P-Flex and USB-C Service port as the only way to 'Service' mine is via plugging it into another KEF speaker (I believe the LS50) but thankfully I've not needed to so far.

  • @filipebeat
    @filipebeat Před 3 měsíci +1

    me much exp with audio but didnt had many big expensive subs, made total sense. thanks!

  • @ayokay123
    @ayokay123 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I was thinking that KEF would have ported all the tech in KC62 into the KC92, but not quite. Especially when it comes to an aluminum inclosure. I think it would have been more interesting product if KEF made a KC72 or 82 out of aluminum. Great review, btw.

  • @imz14u2nv
    @imz14u2nv Před 4 měsíci

    Really Good Review @joentell I like the amount of detail information without making the video too long. It’s a really nice looking sub, great looking design. 11Hz is really something from such a small cube.

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      I needed to get the review done and tried not to overthink the talking part.

  • @whitecrowuk575
    @whitecrowuk575 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Solid review Joe!
    Nice measurements, it’s a solid living room sub where people like things that are not obstructive and look nice whilst being able to perform. Had a couple of them and they rock. Also with wireless transmitter that’s probably one of the best on the market. But you can get better at lower price if size is not the issue. I’ve changed them for two Arendal 1723 s1 subs which are twice as big with greater extension and no “ibs” trickery. I didn’t like the idea that response curve will change depending on spl making room correction potentially useless

  • @MyFatherLoves
    @MyFatherLoves Před 2 měsíci +1

    Another interesting fact for this sub.... Kef offers a kit that allows you to stack 2 or 3 of these subs on top of each other. Two subs stacked is equivalent to a Blade Meta 1 in output and distortion... Could you imagine making a psuedo-Blade using a stack of two or three of these subs DSP'd to integrate with a Reference 1 or even an R3 Meta? ORRR you can get even nuttier and stack two or three (depending on speaker height) under a Ci3160REFM or a Ci3160RLM? You'd have a full-range setup with near-zero SBIR that's also doubling as your LFE.
    Yowza.

  • @MisterChibs
    @MisterChibs Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great review!! It’s a shame about the delay. Does the KC62 have that same delay?
    On a separate note, I also appreciate your guidelines. While they are common sense and should be the way everyone commenting behaves, it’s not always the case. 🍻

  • @GaneshPerumal-qt1ly
    @GaneshPerumal-qt1ly Před 4 měsíci +1

    Wow! Excellent critical points....thanks❤!

  • @MyFatherLoves
    @MyFatherLoves Před 2 měsíci

    Wow.... so basically for HT, just one sub has the ability to play at reference level.. For music, it may be limited depending on the multi-tone distortion. So dang cool.

  • @27hdyx6b3ym3w
    @27hdyx6b3ym3w Před 4 měsíci +2

    Can you please do a comparison with B&W DB1D?

  • @luciferray6560
    @luciferray6560 Před 4 měsíci

    Please help me out. I want to buy the Best bookshelf speaker under 2000 US dollars.
    Klipsch 9s , sonus Faber lumina 2, q acoustics 5020, kef r3 meta , warfdale linton 85 ?
    We don't get arindal 1723 or 1961 in my country. Any other speaker that you would recommend under or a little over 2000 dollars ?

  • @xguillaume3134
    @xguillaume3134 Před 4 měsíci

    Interesting point is how smaller unit can deliver lower than 20Hz signal? and whether thoese infrasound part has helth concern?

  • @sudd3660
    @sudd3660 Před 4 měsíci

    great point with the delay for the high pass output. i would rather have the phase knob on a subwoofer to apply to the output instead, usually those need the delay.

    • @sudd3660
      @sudd3660 Před 4 měsíci

      by the way on the dynamic eq, it is perfect for multiple subwoofers. if you get four separate 10" subwoofers they will not play 11hz this kef one, especially at low volume.

  • @giovanni1269
    @giovanni1269 Před 4 měsíci

    Great video!

  • @dragonstone6594
    @dragonstone6594 Před 4 měsíci

    Nice overview. I like that you test the delay time. Question: which sub has the lowest delay? Is it the REL subs?

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      Probably REL because they don't have DSP. But that's also why they don't go as low.

  • @IliyaOsnovikov
    @IliyaOsnovikov Před 4 měsíci

    Joe, does such configuration with two woofers firing to opposite directions help at all with the room modes?

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      Good question. Not really because they're pretty much operating as a single source. If the box spanned the length of a room, then yes, it could. In this case, consider that the size of the driver is not much different than the distance between the two drivers.

  • @krupkake1
    @krupkake1 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Oh and here's another question. Erin reviewed the older KF92. It appears to be the same as the KC92. The price hasn't even dropped for the older model yet. Any idea of what the differences are?

    • @whitecrowuk575
      @whitecrowuk575 Před 4 měsíci

      Comes in white color now lol

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Did the KF92 have the P-flex surround and iBX feature?

    • @whitecrowuk575
      @whitecrowuk575 Před 4 měsíci

      @@joentell yes all the same - specification is the same, weight dimensions the same. I think they just wanted to unify code name rather than be different from kc62

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      @@whitecrowuk575 wow. Interesting

    • @91DivineAngel
      @91DivineAngel Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@whitecrowuk575 no the kf92 don t have the pflex and the DSP is updated on the Kc92

  • @rickmorty7284
    @rickmorty7284 Před 4 měsíci

    Binaural demo? Those are always awesome.😅

  • @Some0ne001
    @Some0ne001 Před 13 dny

    This or the sb 3000 Micro? Price isn’t a factor for me it’s the size that’s the factor and the only ones are this and the sb 3000 Micro.

  • @madcrabber1113
    @madcrabber1113 Před 4 měsíci

    Sure does look cool.

  • @nboejui
    @nboejui Před 4 měsíci

    Hey Joe. Do you know if Kef plans to have an phone App? Or if they plan up adding features to the sub through firmware? I havent been able to find any info on this.

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      I'm not in direct contact with them, so I don't know

    • @ninja777de
      @ninja777de Před 4 měsíci

      I have KEF LS60 with KC92 - and there is KEF Connect APP

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      @@ninja777de with a compatible KEF product, does it allow you to do time alignment? What are some added features?

    • @ninja777de
      @ninja777de Před 4 měsíci

      @@joentell No, it doesn't (the alignement) - but with KEF subwwofer maybe it is something automatic.
      Personally, I don't see any problem in my medium-sized room. However, in the APP you can select different subs models from KEF or 'custom'. After I selected the KEF KF92 / KC92 model, I had even less output, so I discussed with KEF engineers. Finally for my room I had to increase the gain to 2 o'clock position and to put sub-gain in the app at 5.0 DB. There are also Polarity, Low-pass, High-Pass settings. These are in the Expert Mode. In the Normal Mode, there is the Speakers/Subwoofer balance and Subwoofer Volume - also with the Subwoofer Model choice. In both modes there are choices for the KEF speakers, too. And the integration with Tidal, Qobuz, Amazon, and others is beautifully made.
      I was at AudioFest in Montreal, and I discussed with a KEF and SVS supplier and he told me to go for the KC92 or KC62 because I have the LS60 and KEF as an integrated system works better as speakers-subwoofer combo. I wanted to buy two SVS but the guy told me that they tested with KEF speakers and it's better to go for the KEF route for sub. He also told me about the sharing between the subs and the LS60 is better and that with other brands it will not be so good. I'm happy with the choice after I fine-tuned, not from the beginning. I feel also that the mid and highs benefit from the added sub (!?).

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      @@ninja777de thank you for the info. It makes sense that good bass improves the perception of the frequencies above it.

  • @MattyDaddy14
    @MattyDaddy14 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I have really high hopes for this size compact sub. What I liked about it specs wise since I haven’t heard it in person is how adjustable and many options it provides! Plus the dual 9” driver with 2x500 watt amps, this thing must sound amazing! One of my fave things is the room/placement switch! So cool to be able to move it around and it adjusts automatically. 🎉 can’t wait to see the cta2010 measurements! 🎉
    From what I’ve read and seen on reviews so far, I’m ranking this as the ultimate number bedroom HT/music subwoofer paired to a soundbar/smaller HT system! :)

  • @BornIn82
    @BornIn82 Před 4 měsíci

    hmmm..... i may be wrong, but given the specs of its predecessor, then you might need to recheck the HPF being fixed as the dip switches do allow you to change the outputs at different frequencies......unless i misunderstood what you meant.

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +1

      You might be right and I will update my pinned comment if I am in fact incorrect. I did look at the manual specifically for this, and it doesn't say anything about how to use the switches to adjust the high pass filter. It only shows that flipping all of the switches the other direction is what's required if you're daisy-chaining subs.

    • @BornIn82
      @BornIn82 Před 4 měsíci

      @@joentell You are still right regarding flipping of the switches for daisy chaining given that it turns off all the different HPF levels 🙂

  • @isak6626
    @isak6626 Před 4 měsíci

    I would love to see some overlay graphs with other subs that you've tested in the same room. What would be a comparable ported sub in terms of performance? 10", 12"?

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +1

      The SVS SB3000 claims to be a 13", but probably more like a 12". I think that one is comparable. I have an SB1000 Pro with a 12" and I think it has more output simply because of the increased enclosure size. The RSL 12S I have is much larger as well as the Monolith THX 10". I think a lot of it isn't just the driver size, but the enclosure size as well. The smaller the enclosure, the more power you need to get the same output and the drivers need to be able to handle that extra power.

    • @isak6626
      @isak6626 Před 4 měsíci

      @@joentell Thank you. So the SB1000 has more output than both the KC92 and the SB3000?

  • @a.h.d.h.2803
    @a.h.d.h.2803 Před 4 měsíci

    Thanx for the review Joe. Delay on RCA? Should not the main speakers be delayed in stead of the KEF KC92. As you suggested I use a mini DSP, a SHD model, for that. You said the sub does play 12 Hz loud, but you did not mention how loud and at what distance, so I looked back in the review where you show the graph while showing the change in Frequency response when the volume is changed. The squealing noise you hear, could that not be the D-class amplifier? I have a subwoofer with a D-class amplifier who made an audible squealing noise. At first I thought it was my tinnitus but since my children noticed the noise as well I was convinced it was not my tinnitus it came from the subwoofer. It was in the frequency range somewhere just above 2000 Hz., and was not dependent of the power played. I contacted the manufacturer about this and he suggested to replace the amplifier and sent me one including a short and clear description of how to build the amp in the sub, which was very easy! The amp arrived three working days later. No money changed hands! With the replacement of the amp the squealy noise is gone. As you can understand; I'm a happy man.

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Delay on the RCA output, not input. Regarding the 12Hz, I can't recall at the moment. I think somewhere in the 95dB range. Not reference level.

    • @91DivineAngel
      @91DivineAngel Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@joentellhow did you messuret it? Is that in inroom response or freespace?

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      @@91DivineAngel With the mic no further than 2" from the woofer cone in-room. This allows me to get good measurements with less affects from room modes. I apply SPL compensation based on a typical listening distance of 9ft away. If I were to measure in-room from 9ft, room modes would make the measurement useless.

  • @jp93309
    @jp93309 Před 4 měsíci

    Bro I stopped the video and rewound as soon as you mentioned the $2k price. Is there gold behind that woofer?

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      I hear you! It's a big number. I guess if someone can afford some KEF Blade 2 Meta's, maybe it's a small number. :-)

  • @mrmessyjesse
    @mrmessyjesse Před 4 měsíci

    What program do you use to produce the sine wave?

  • @krupkake1
    @krupkake1 Před 4 měsíci

    would it be fair to say that 2 SVS SB3000s would be a better buy than one of these? It comes out to about the same price; just a $100 difference.

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      I would take 2 of almost any decent sub over 1 of a better sub. A nasty room mode can take out huge chunks of the audible response. So that's a yes for me. It's too large of a price difference to get only a smaller footprint.

    • @walterdockins8475
      @walterdockins8475 Před 3 měsíci

      If one has the space for two SB3000's, why even consider the Kef? Many other capable options in that size range.

  • @lextr3110
    @lextr3110 Před 4 měsíci

    awesome in depth review... that wishling coil whine type of sound make it evil.. this is pure crap. Delay is also really bad.. nice to know

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      It could be a defective unit or damaged in shipping. I will give KEF the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully they chime in and offer some insight.

  • @Rustyybucket
    @Rustyybucket Před 4 měsíci

    Are you planning on reviewing any of the MIE range?

  • @tarekz9992
    @tarekz9992 Před 4 měsíci

    Oh my, look at the harmonic distortion at 8:23 when playing the 20hz sine wave. That's horrible.
    FYI those other frequencies shouldn't be there or at least at MUCH lower levels

  • @MetzelRock
    @MetzelRock Před 4 měsíci

    I have to say I don't fully agree on your opinion regarding the packaging. Yes, it is simple, but it fulfills it's purpose. The product arrives at your home umdamaged. Also, having a simple packing increases the chance for proper recycling. If we are honest, what do we do with the packing once it's opened? Either you keep somewhere or you throw it away. Also, the packing is quite consist with other KEF products, e.g. their packaging for the Q Series speakers.

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      Actually, I was a bit concerned with the packaging because all of the styrofoam was broken. There's no recycling styrofoam either.

  • @viencarlodiego8842
    @viencarlodiego8842 Před 4 měsíci

    how is this compare to elac varro rs700?

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +1

      I would have to say the rs700 just has more raw capability. I would go ELAC. It's close. Https://bit.ly/subwooferleaderboard

    • @viencarlodiego8842
      @viencarlodiego8842 Před 4 měsíci

      @@joentell ok thank you! you mind if i ask what's your ethnicity?

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@viencarlodiego8842 Filipino

    • @viencarlodiego8842
      @viencarlodiego8842 Před 4 měsíci

      @@joentell eyyyy kuya! Lol

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      @@viencarlodiego8842 sup pare!

  • @gahlol7069
    @gahlol7069 Před 4 měsíci

    Woohoo new vid

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +1

      It's been a while. I've been busy with my Magic Beans Audio app

  • @davidhoover2446
    @davidhoover2446 Před 4 měsíci

    Great review! I want to see a sub with around 120dB down at 20Hz so I can have a full experience 😊. I use a 10 cu ft quad 10” ported sub with a 1000w amp for my home theater. It’s just awesome. I can’t afford to buy an already made one that can get that loud haha! I use the Dayton reference HO DVC 10”.

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      I made a sub using those Dayton Reference before. It's an awesome driver. I would love to see the sub you made sometime.

  • @mezball
    @mezball Před 4 měsíci

    Possibly coil whine you are hearing? Some PC Video cards have this issue.

  • @mohamedahmed1023
    @mohamedahmed1023 Před 4 měsíci

    I don't think I can stomach a sub that doesn't have app control.

  • @carmelovillena6174
    @carmelovillena6174 Před 4 měsíci

    Its air leaking sound my definitive tech supercube lll sound like that air leaking

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci

      That was my first thought, but I could swear I heard something whirring even with no signal.

  • @jamesoneill5810
    @jamesoneill5810 Před 4 měsíci

    $3100 USD £2500 GBP No replacement for displacement very expensive for a sub this size,l am kef fanbboy as I've had 4 set's of their speakers but l wouldn't buy their K range of subs.....their Reference 8b Sub ....but l would say any equivalent svs sub wouldn't come close to the KC92 ...why you all you Americans mention svs😊

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +1

      I think objective measurements might suggest that they do match up well against each other. SVS is very popular here, maybe that's why. I know people will ask me to compare it.

  • @tech4life884
    @tech4life884 Před 4 měsíci

    Clearly Kef paid you to do this review and they definitely reviewed this video prior to you being legally allowed to release it. Thats exactly what you tell us by saying that in the video.
    Nice.

  • @Vidar.m
    @Vidar.m Před 4 měsíci

    It might be good for home cinema, but not certain it is musical

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +3

      We have inside jokes about the term, "musical." What does that mean to you? What measurable aspects of a subwoofer would you say make it musical or not musical? If you mean how well it blends with your main speakers so that the transition to the sub is seamless, that has everything to do with calibration. Getting the delay and phase alignment right, and setting the correction curves so it matches the natural response of the room and your main speakers.

    • @Vidar.m
      @Vidar.m Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@joentell it should follow the music and not go boom where there are non in the music.

    • @billd9667
      @billd9667 Před 4 měsíci

      That’s up to who sets it up. People tend to turn up the sub until they can hear it without thought to what their source media is. The proper way to do it without a microphone is to use a source with 20-30Hz content, turn it up until you hear bass and then back off until you can’t. That’s the layman’s way. The best way is to use a software solution like REW.
      As to “boom” and “musical”, that’s up to the speed of the drivers. A light cone material allows for fast response, but it only goes so far. For the most part, any sealed sub is adequately quick to start and stop. Yeah, REL subs are the standard, but they are not twice as quick as another well-designed sub. Also, bass frequencies are inherently slow to propagate. It’s a non-issue.

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@Vidar.m what you've described is the purpose of good calibration.

    • @joentell
      @joentell  Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@billd9667 I agree with the first part of what you said. A 20hz tone is always the same speed and is based on the number of cycles per second. What I think most people are referring to when they talk about fast or slow subs is the inherent delay I mentioned in this video caused by DSP. REL subs aren't faster at producing the same frequencies, they simply don't have DSP which causes the delay. Once you add the same amount of delay to your main speakers, then you can have the benefit of DSP correction and the same "fast" bass because the relative delay between the sub and your main speakers is 0.