Jordan Lewis and Eddie Betts discuss Cyril Rioli's time at Hawthorn | AFL 360 | FOX Footy
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Jordan Lewis and Eddie Betts join the team to discuss Cyril Rioli's recent claims about his time at Hawthorn.
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As a lifelong hawthorn supporter that genuinely has always said Cyril was my favourite player this whole situation is heartbreaking. I wish he knew just how much joy he brought to my life, Iâll be forever grateful.
Geeze, Eddie Betts is a class act. What a measured and intelligent response.
Yeah he is....no argument there best he get out and teach the ones in the communities like Wilcannia, Derby, Broome, Broken Hill, Newman, Tom Price, Karatha, Tennant Creek, Darwin, Townsville etc how to act hey.... Enioy your lattes.... and or dole check or are you a 12 year old and have zero life experience.
@@andrewrogers5962 I'm saying Eddie Betts is a class act and he should get out in these any many other communities and try to get the indigenous back on track.
As all this racism is caused by both sides not just 1....thats what I'm saying.
@@andrewrogers5962 I never said equally responsible and are indigenous people as racist too non indigenous hell yes they are 100% more racist in those places I mentioned.... maybe go travel to the ones mentioned and have a wonder around those places.
All I'm saying is racism will never end as much as the woke want it too until both sides change and also stop living in the past.... as the current generation can't be held responsible for what there parents and grand parents did.
Love Eddie, he is clearly upset. One thing I donât understand what he saying is, what is a lisane officer
@@andrewrogers5962 ohhh liaison. I thought he was saying something else. He sounded a tad nervous and hard to understand. He looked visibly upset as people are just not getting educated that racism hurts lives. Heâs clearly sick and tired of it
Betts continues to be a master. We need this man to in the media now than anything else.
What he said had nothing to do with the Rioli situation
@@Dontomatios actually he did, but you need to use your ears to hear it - try next time. He also said some very insightful things about this situation in the light of the game as a whole touching on his own experience.
I did use my ears Jordan basically said Rioli was lying and he never came too the leadership group, and they asked Eddie if they handled it well , and he spoke about the things he has done !!!!! It's not racist to think Eddie is not a great speaker !!! I don't like weatley and half the dribble he says is that racist!!! Eddie seemed like he programmed that answer and uses it for everything !
@@Dontomatios : agree 100%......Betts is a professional race baiter.....an anti white racist who has been coached to repeat anti white slogans.....just like Winmar......this bs has to stop.
Eddie Betts was a Champion player but more importantly a Champion man. He is demonstrating how deep his commitment to the cultural cause changes needed to make a difference to the entire country is and how important it is for strong leadership in this area going forward.
Even as a cats fan. Cyril was one of my favourite players to watch, the excitement going to games with the cats and Hawks clash. I hope in the next few months whatever happens a good result comes out of it and Cyril back coaching at the Hawks or even mentoring.
Eddie betts is a legend of the game and spoke really well, i love that he is in the media now because he has such a nice and warm personality
Good on your Eddie. All well said. Youâre an all round star.
Jeff Kennett speaking for Cyril đđđ Cyrilâs not coming back until Kennett is gone.
Why's that, did Jeff Kennet do something?
@@smoothbeak heâs white
@@simojonesy That's a bit silly
@@smoothbeak youâd be surprised, being white is automatically a red flag these days. Automatically a racist
@@simojonesy Haha yeah I've seen that, and that's ridiculous
Eddy was the most loved player for the Crows. An SA footy hero and all round nice guy. Full stop. Way BEYOND racism.
If weâre talking about this kind of attitude in 2022, thatâs an absolute disgrace. Itâs a vile indictment of the stupid people who think itâs necessary to belittle such talent as Eddie, Cyril, Adam, and all the other magnificent indigenous players who make thrilling contributions to the greatest game in the world. Thank goodness for the indigenous superstars. There should be more of them!
Adam Goodes boooooooooooo. Boooooooooooo Adam Goodes!!!
@@jornavyr2459 At lastâŠone of the stupid people who thinks itâs necessaryâŠ.reveals itself. It never takes longâŠ
So is Jordan saying Cyril is lying?
No. He said from his viewpoint things were good at Hawthorn; they had strong indigenous leaders at the club and that he was unaware that Cyril had experienced any of these issues until he read about it a week ago. He is probably wondering why Cyril didn't speak up about it at the time, rather than stay silent for years. Eddie Betts said something too along those lines.
No he is saying Cyril never came forward and brought up the incedent to the leadership group and they never said too him just go play footy so yes he is saying he's lying , Eddie well I don't think Eddie said anything frankly
@@Dontomatios No, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what actually took place and exactly what is being discussed in this exchange.
Little sniper went to the age and gave caro something to write about. You would think he would go back to the club and sort it out again rather then go and do the dog act of ratting it out into the media.
True , these blokes are there heads even longy said he's talking tip
Why is everyone scared to say it? The problem here is Cyril Rioli's wife. Not everything is racism.
The Rioli's sound like the Sussexes. We know who wears the pants (ripped jeans) in each case.
jordan sounds like he is lying. the pause at 2:58 is the panel coming to the same conclusion
Donât read into that. That pause was Gerard and Robbo thinking about what they wanted for dinner.
@@epektasis242 Jordan Lewis was thinking hard about his answers because he'll get labelled a racist if he doesn't phrase his answers correctly.
How can Robbo call it a mistake? Racism is not a mistake. This player was making racist 'joke'. He knew what he was saying. Poor form once again from Robbo.
The fact that Jeff is in a position of power being the leader of the club is a major problem in this issue. For the right cause of action is that he should have been removed from his position at the club. Also for Jeff to say that no player is bigger then the club is true but no official is bigger then the club as well. The player and partner were the victims and Jeff was in the wrong and should have been asked to remove himself from the club in the circumstance. I'm sure that Rioli would have remained and played out his career at Hawthorn if Jeff left.
What did Jeff do wrong? Make a comment about ripped jeans that every old person makes? If you think making a comment about ripped jeans is racist then you're just an outright idiot.
Is anyone going to say that a ripped jeans joke is not a racist joke?
No way! Then they'd be labelled a racist. If it was such a big deal why is this just coming out now?
@@richardbehan8118 just for the record, I was asking for a mate, a mate who is no longer my mate, he's no one's mate, he's cancelled, hes cancelled for racism.
What is a lisane officer?
Jordan Lewis basically said that Bateman and Burgoyne failed in filtering through these racist incidents to the leadership group. This is the kind of political reinvention Brereton and Kennett would be proud of...
All peoples need to stop teaching hate to their children,no child is born a racist,it is a learned behaviour and 99% of it is learned at home..Shame on those who have projected their own fears and hatred onto their children!
Easy for a white man to say⊠when youâve been murdered raped and has your land stolen come back to me with the same argument and then weâll talk
@@crutches111 none of that happened to you mate,it's 2022 stop playing the victim...
@@kevinrice4887 it's 2022. That's exactly why they are playing the victim.
There isn't much racism in Australia. However, I was on the bus with some Australian nationality (whch I won't mention for risk of offence) and they were abusing Asians and Indians. Yet the same nationality claims others are racist towards them. In the city (capital city) they're in front of the train station openly abusing others while drunk, often directing their attention to immigrants. No one says anything. Everyone just quickly walks on and forms their own opinion. But it happens every day of the year. If you try to stop their drinking, or move them on, then its racism. I'd say we're helpiing them and doing them a favour.
Cyril - A hawthorn great, if you needed money, i am 100% sure the club would have been able to support you.
I'm so confused so was Jordan saying what Cyril said didn't happen the way he said it! I couldn't understand wat eddies point was!!! Straight up
Ur mums embarrassed ur her son đ Go on rat boy exsplain what Eddie said had to do with the situation , that's if u can after ur lunch time dose
Just cause your a loser Carlton spineless nuffy , you cream ur pants over anything Eddie says , Eddie made zero scence there and didn't even answer way they asked him!
@undeadkid101 101 it doesn't surprise me you understand that. The drivel that spewed from his mouth would only be understood by someone with an IQ in single figures.
In other words Cyrill madie it up. Yep it happens. Lets not be naive. The Rioli's sound like the Sussexes. We know who wears the pants (ripped jeans) in each case.
I call bs, he made a decision to retire to go fishing now itâs because of racism but all you can list is one vague incident in 2013 and Jeff commenting on gfs jeans ? Donât buy it sorry
There must be more to it.
I'm hearing ya , Jordan basically said it didn't happen and Eddie said we'll I don't understand! anything he said had nothing too do with wat happened , it's very confusing , I hate Hawthorne as an Essendon supporter but truth is truth
@undeadkid101 101 how can you sit there and believe it so easily?
Are you one of the idiots that think Kennett's jeans comment is racist?
â„ïžđ€đ....đ€đ€đȘđ.,..my brothers all past and present players are heroes........... I'm Aboriginal brother Eddie and Cyril....are magic.....by the way racism is big in Australia specially in Alice springs in central Australia.....am from papunya West of Alice springs........ from the bush.............I always watch AFL and NRL.....all Aboriginal players are heroes both side AFL and NRL.... magic brother....... Make them jealous........... I'm telling all the hater's out there...
Alice Springs. How about people stop drinking then. Its a shocking situation for women and children that get abused from their husbands and boyfriends. The people of Alice Springs and regional towns need to step up, stop the grog and accept responsibility. I'd say that to anyone of any ethnic persuasion. Central and north its the booze. You can't blame anyone but the individual. In other towns its the drugs.
It's confusing I live in qld so don't get much information so tell everyone what happened to Cyril and others then we can know what your talking about in I'd say code what the he'll your journalists say it.
Sorry wasn't this issue about a comment from Jeff Kennett about a pair of ripped jeans that Cyril's partner was wearing? Probably a bad joke but how can that be defined as racism? It seems to me like something you would just ignore and get on with your life. And then to retire from AFL football 5 years later over it? It seems like a bizarre reason and there are deeper issues at play.
AFL is just a political game now.
Maybe it's just a bit too complex for you?
@undeadkid101 101 "dIdN'T sTuTtEr" You want a medal or mars bar?
@@godamid4889 complex? What's complex about false racism claims? It's pretty straight forward. Cyril's Mrs is obviously used to playing the victim and honestly she is probably the racist.
She doesn't like jokes coming from white people so she labels them a racist.
@@richardbehan8118 maybe it's too complex for you, too buddy. That's ok, you can keep ranting about something you know next to nothing about while exposing your own racist stereotypes.
@@godamid4889 how is it too complex for me when I said "what's complex about false racism claims"? Is reading complex for you buddy?
Please tell me how I'm racist exactly.
Where's the proof of racism??
Ripped jeans
RACIST!!
Seriously. I don't understand all this..... how can anything be done about anything if people don't speak up. at the time.
Secondly of all the things happening in the world this is nothing.... people need to get over all this wokeness.
I love all these indigenous players talking about how we need to change.... like wise so do normal indigenous people I live in a town that has a significant indigenous population and to say its a nightmare just going down the street is putting it lightly.
Both side need to get the crap in a pile and move forward....until then people arnt going to change there opinions about indigenous people especially the ones that live around them.
Racism is disgusting but as I said both side need to work on issues.
Cyril was a champion.
Well said
You could have just said, "I'm not racist, but...."
Sad mate. It's not your fault. I get it. It's no one's fault but Cyril's. That was pretty much Jordan's excuse too.
Except it is my fault. I stood by twenty years ago while people made jokes about indigenous people.
I stood by ten years ago when Abbott put them in white man reconstruction camps.
I'm not going to stand by while you try to wipe your hands of any responsibility for the latent racism and discrimination in our culture. If you don't feel safe in your town at night, it's probably because people really don't like you.
Spot on mate
seems my reply too #Godamid got deleted must have been way too much truth in it....for CZcams or Mr #Godamid.
I think itâs more about how it feels to be athletes who are people of colour and get treated differently than their counterparts. Not about the wider world. AFL clubhouse seemed to have a lot of issues with that. I mean Eddie is just talking about his experience and trying to help people understand his situation better. I think you are conflating some things.
Cyril Rioli needs to get a life and not try to damage his former club. The Rioli's sound like the Sussexes. We know who wears the pants (ripped jeans) in each case. Embarrassing.
I love Cyril, as I love Lewis. Lets take the lens of political correctness off for a minute and call it for what it is.
A joke about ripped jeans from a former state premier/white male to an indigenous australian isn't seen in the same context and humour as if it was made to a Caucasian. The gesture of Kennett giving money to Shannon is reminiscent of "White Superiority" which unfortunately... Jeff's domineering nature does have an air of "I'm better than you" to it.
Now for Lewis. Robbo put him into a corner of severe discomfort and you have him put in conflict of interest where he either saves face by saying the Hawks is toxic like Caro and the AFL painted them, OR he backs the club that gave him an incredible career for 12 years which he probably hopes his own kids will play for one day.
I dont doubt for one second that Jordan was honest to the fault but was trying to frame the situation the right way to not hurt either interest of his (Cyril or Hawthorn).
Once Kennett leaves on June 30 I wouldnt be surprised if Cyril ans Shannon do come back, given the amount of support from the old band these past few weeks
I'm not Victorian, so have no view specifically on Kennett. Fact is that wives can have a strong influence on husbands, who are not always stable or wise enough to see manipulation. The Rioli's sound like the Sussexes. We know who wears the pants (ripped jeans) in each case. Lets remember, that a court case could lead to millions in compensation, so it becomes beneficial to pursue a narrative about ripped genes/jeans and ethnic insults around fashionable clothing. Its not even done in a smart way. mmm sounding more and more like the Sussexes.
Sadly for far too many people the only time they think about racism is when it impacts on their public profile and they have to defend themselves against this horrible stigma, but so often all too late. For Kennett it was not racism, stupid yes, belittling yes, but not racism but there are plenty of us ordinary folks who need to improve our cultural understanding before dragging high profile people down in the name of racism as that just adds to the cultural division for the benefit of none.
I was really unhappy that Betts just fell into line and accused others of racism despite of not knowing the facts. That was really poor and racist in my opinion.
What a waste of talent cyril was a champion...he should of spoken up or let his club know about the racial abuse..sadđ€đąđ„ș. I'm a Richmond supporter...
not a waste of talent. he was too old and it was time to retire. he's now living in the bush, which I'd say is significantly better than living in melbourne. The Rioli's sound like the Sussexes. We know who wears the pants (ripped jeans) in each case.
The amount of special treatment that indigenous players receive will never be enough for their delicate feelings om afraid. How about we talk about the crime, violence and anti-social behaviour perpetuated by indigenous people in the real world rather than throw a blanket over white people as racists?
By the tone of your comments I guess that ignorance canât be undone and canât be reasoned with.
No one is saying that all white people are racist. Weâre focusing on one element of life interactions based on a football club environment.
If you choose to simply have two categories for everyone then thatâs part of the problem and clearly contradictory based on your own point of view.
@@OliverMisha we talk a lot about the plight of the Indigenous people and we espouse their virtues at the drop of a hat. Im simply wondering when the discussion of the disproportionate acts of community violence, spousal abuse, theft and general criminal and anti-social behaviour begins.
@@OliverMisha when do the Indigenous leaders look inward and wonder if their influence can be used to encourage their community to take some responsibility for the negative way people may view them. Instead of playing the victim and laying the responsibility at the feet of what we call racism. How can we really agree that the racist Adam Goodes haters ate the same people that admire Eddie Betts? Both are vocal advocates for their community, both are great footballers, both are Indigenous. But it suits one of them to play the victim and everybody, like you, to jump on the bandwagon and pretend that there are no issues in our community at large, that only the Indigenous people can remedy.
Disgusting comment from an ignorant prick.
@@dogsmorning7807 you don't understand a thing about intergenerational poverty or racism...
I'm still on the fence if the Adam Goodes booing was racist. There were other indigenous players in the Sydney team who weren't getting booed. It's like saying a player who changed teams and playing against his old team is getting booed because of racism. Goodes had a go at the crowd and made himself the villain in the story and just expected everyone to cower. But this isn't WWE wrestling, it's a professional sport.
Fair point Hunty49. I donât know the specifics because I live overseas but if what you say about other indigenous players is correct, then racism seems a long bow to draw. Perhaps there had been other racist epithets hurled before, and the mud was starting to stick to the supporters? Abuse has long been a part of the greatest game in the world. Itâs a bit like the pot calling the kettle black (definitely no pun intended) that for years the AFL has ignored the cheers and taunts of supporters, particularly aimed at umpires, and at many of the players, then suddenly calls booing racist without canvassing the spectators doing it. Admittedly calling an indigenous player a monkey or gorilla or ape or whatever the jibe was could be construed very easily as nasty, but weâve called pug-faced Italians, English men, French men âya big gorilla!â for decades. What is the crisis point at which an epithet turns racist, or should we have thought of all epithets aimed at difference as racist? In any case, there seems to be a clear position in the minds of those concerned about the racist nature of whatever has been brewing. Iâve no doubt many Australians (whether they pay lip service to anti-racist ideas or not) harbour deeply racist views. Iâve heard them and seen their vile consequences. I just hope the AFL can come back from this very low point in the relationship it has with some of the finest players in the history of the game (and nowhere in that sentence is there any suggestion of race).
The Adam Goodes thing wasn't racism.
@@richardbehan8118 What insight do you have, Richard, into whether it was or not?
@@petertrebilco9430 he was booed because he was a champion player that was playing for free kicks. It continued and got worse after he sooked about it and claimed it was racism.
Some people just love playing the victim.
@@richardbehan8118 Thanks Richard. What evidence is there for that understanding? Would you mind sharing?
Let's stop the black versus white here eddy, we love you but why do the indigenous have to be different and have someone else, is there any normal players that have problems too hey love you eddy but please the public don't know it's all code speak to us
lol eddie is so full of it
Wow, if he retired over that comment I donât know what to think.
The Rioli's sound like the Sussexes. We know who wears the pants (ripped jeans) in each case. There are some issues more related to mental aspects than physical aspects. Why actually did O'brien/Lumumba leave Collingwood really? Was it through not getting on with teammates.
Lies