Mini RECCE/SPR Rifle | The Swiss Army Knife of the 5.56 Platform
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Today we look at one of my personal rifles. My 12.5" Intermediate distance rifle, some may call a "Mini recce" or a "SSPR" Short Special Purpose Rifle". This rifle in its current configuration, is kind of like a Swiss army knife, it can do a lot. As always, we will be filming at the Farm Training Center, then we will head back to the studio to give you a break down on the parts and go into a little more detail, thanks for watching. If you like the content and see some of the changes we have made be sure to drop a comment and Subscribe to the channel #SPR #Reccerilfe #leupold #clouddenfensive
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I have a Triarc 12.5 with a mid length gas system. Smoothest shooting rifle ever. Tracks flat, drives well, reaches out, but still more compact with a can on it than a 16
I have the same, and if you're willing to wait a year plus (don't believe ANY posted wait time) they really are superb.
@@Orcus1030 I they initially quoted me a 16 wk lead. It ended up being 9ish months. Very poor customer experience but excellent firearm
5R rifling and 8 twist?
@@crashdsnowman1 it is their “track” rifling and a 1:7 twist. Like heavy stuff but shoot 55gr really well too
finally more 12.5 master race
Yeah I’m liking that. Cannot fault your choices.
Well done.
Agree 12.5s are great. Sweet spot forsure.
Cloud defensive has the best customer service I've had to deal with. A simple question turned into a hour long conversation like we were long time buddies
I built a 12.5 BCM 5.56 into an Aero Precision M4E1 upper + 12 inch MLOK rail, Bootleg adjustable BCG, 17 Design folding lower with their H2, and a Geissle flat 3 Gun trigger. SBA4, Magpul K2 grip and hand stop. I have a Dead Air flash hider for my Sandman S, a Streamlight ProTac HL-X using a Cloud Defense LCS MKII tape switch mount.
I keep a Primary Arms FFP 1-6x ACSS LVPO on it. It hits.
Last year I ran it at The GTI Tactical Games in South Carolina. It was awesome. Perfect length to reach out to 400+, short enough not to bang into your legs or the 220 pound farmer's carry weighted implements you need to move from A to B and back.
The very first AR I got was and still is the BCM 12.5 barrel on braced BCM lower. LOVE IT! It is my go to gun. I have a classic m4a1 hand guard on it with a bayonet lug mounted light and a red dot on top. Easy standing, off hand shooting 12” steel at 240yrds
20 ROUND MAG MASTER RACE!
This man knows his stuff. Hm, we might be brothers. Awesome
i have a 13.7" ar build that I absolutely love. Its a tad longer but no nfa paperwork and tax stamp. This 12.5 here really makes me want to do a similar build! Sweet boom stick!!!
As a more budget rifle, I would be very interested in your review of the 12.5" midlength Zion-15.
I m working on one now
@@rdrgear AWESOME!!
@@Orcus1030 got one with about 1500 rounds through it. Put the Alg act trigger and some ambi radian parts in it. So far no issues really like it.
I have one. Was concerned about the Midlength gas on a 12.5, but it has eaten everything I’ve thrown at it. I did swap in an A5 buffer setup on it after a hundred or so rounds like I retrofit all factory guns I have or build. Otherwise it’s stock. Smooth and decent accuracy with 55gr FMJ.
@@rdrgear is this MI rail the 12.625 rail? Only one I’m seeing that comes the closest to no gap between the muzzle and end of rail. TIA!
Great video and got even better when you mentioned swapping out to a CGS Group suppressor. They’re the best in the industry. I’m running a CGS Group Helios QD with a YHM Kurz kit on an 11.5” SBR. That suppressor is AMAZING. It’s also great because with a .36 bore I can take it off my SBR and run it on my 6.8 SPC 12.5” feral hogs rig or my AR10. Great video. Keep them coming.
Thank you.
So great to see this, i just finished a 12.5 build and its my absolute go to, had a 10.3 for years and the 12.5 suppressed is a dream to shoot, recoil impulse on mine is perfection. Didnt think going to a 12.5 would be much of a difference but hands done it will be my do all rifle. And its beyond quiet too, with my yhm turbo with dead air mount it was the quietest gun there and there was 10 other guys with different cans so im pretty happy
What gas system on the 12.5?
I built a LMT Specwar recently with the specwar 12.5 barrel as intended and dude… I have been running an 11.5 URGI clone build for the last year or two as my main shorty and the LMT was going to be a stripped down nightvision gun. It’s so damn good my poor URGI sits now lol. IT’s so accurate it’s insane. I mean my DD barreled 11.5 is no slouch but my instinct says it’s the velocity. I don’t have a crono but it seems to buck wind a lot better and is a laser beam. I love my 11.5 but the 12.5 really has won me over as a do all. It’s hard to justify grabbing my 14.5 now too even when going to a range with distance. I’m with you man, it’s a great length. Mines a middy too and it’s just so incredibly smooth. Direct threaded a Sierra 5 on it until it blew up and it was still super short. Great barrel length!
The 12.5 won me over to. And not even considering the ballistic advantage is just a plus.
I'm lucky that I was able to assemble a friends 11.5 roscoe.with the 10.5bcm rail because I have the exact same opinion when it comes to my left arm just being uncomfortable. Honest to god I'm if its just my wrist but 12.5 barrel length is much more comfortable and ideal for me. Great video
12.5 is the exact reason I like a 13.7, if you're running a QD suppressor, no extra paperwork needed and the size difference is a lot less than with a 14.5
I love my 11.5 Geissele! 12.5 to 11.5 I think is a great choice, still get decent velocity for plenty of distance in 556 gun.
Very nice build at reasonable prices. I plan on doing a similar rifle and this is inspiring me. Thanks for sharing. I’ll probably have a cheaper LPVO though.
Centurion CM4 12.5 MIDWEIGHT HF with 10" C4 Quad Rail , TR24 1-4× , Top Hat 509t , Cloud OWL and YHM T2 TURBO K is my favorite Upper I own .
I run 1.6 Height Mount when running Top Hat MRDS .
GEISSELE SD3G Trigger is my absolute favorite .
I have been fascinated by the 12.5” but at the time I was in the market only a few manufacturers offered them. I eventually settled on the 11.5” then more recently 11.85”. Looking forward to future updates…
Same here. I am moving my primary
Rifles to 12.5 as well. I’m looking at a SOLGW rifle this year
same, lol. Got a BCM and PWS
12.5 triarc track barrel has been nice. 12.5 imo is the perfect combo for urban environments retains decent velocity. Can be used in many different scenarios not to bad with a can and is perfect for a fighting rifle in inner city. If i was in Montana or where big game is in abundance and distances can easily reach a 1000 and more id opt for an spr in 16-18 or a larger caliber. But for my part of where i live this would work for any thing you can think of in a realistic scenario one could find themselves in. Not to short not too long.
I love that Set Up.
I have a 12.5” 5.56 Gen3 Veske Middy Switch Block, I barely shot bc I F**K’N hated the Comp M5 on it. Got rid of Comp M5. Added a UNITY FAST LPVO 30mm Mount, Vudu 1-6x FFP SR-1+HE509T offset. Now I Love it that Set Up. I’m Waiting for sandman S to be free of NFA purgatory, but have a K to keep me company until then. Time will tell which suppressor will stay on it. Great Video& Keep em coming.
I have that same Rosco 12.5 bloodline barrel.
Great barrel
Ran into same bipod issue with rail section. Run a kinetic development kinect for the qd option for bipod.
Ive been playing around with the concept of running a 2.5-10 + 12oc dot on my Triarc 12.5 for a bit now, still need many more months of playing with it, but i honestly feel like i have found my happy place. After shooting 18" + Mk5 18x / 11.85" + Delta 1-6 for years, i feel like im giving up very little in either direction.
While i still like the 18", i found most of the ability of that rifle was down to the vastly superior optic vs the 1-6 on the 11.85, and not so much the extra velocity. Adding the fact that as time progressed i found i ran my LPVO on 1x maaaaaaybe 10% of the time, i found the huge tradeoff in higher mag optical quality that you have to make for the 1x to not be worth it for my uses.
If i thought i was the type of guy to ever look for close quarters fights, that calculus changes, but that aint me babe. That aint me. The dot will be sufficient, i think...
Do still love LPVOs though, and the Delta 6x is one that is hugely underrated for the $. Need to replace my PLx 1-8 with the new one and see how that came out, should be really solid though.
With the success ive been having with 6arc, i dont think im willing to give 5.56 more than 12.5" of barrel anymore.
Thanks for the review!
Thanks for the compliment and taking the time to watch. It’s appreciated
Good point with the cant, especially when your "pie'ing off"
You need an Armstech Ltd USR to check out. Interesting modified gas system and barrel.
Cloud rein is the best light I've ever owned. I have a streamlight now because of cost and it fits my pws mk111 better than the full size rein.
I personally prefer 12 in. Got both 350 and 556 with 12 in barrel.
I prefer top mount red dot especially for short cqb gun as is ambidextrous for shooting of side.
Makes me want to put a lvpo on my 12.3" Ballistic Advantage build and really see what it can do. I build a 10.5" first and it mainly sits around collecting dust now because I love my 12.3" so much.
I've been using 12.5 for a long time and you can absolutely reach out with them.
You should check out the Faxon barrels. I have a few with very high round counts.
What would you say is max effective range for you? Thanks
@@PrussianPushma For me, Counting accuracy and distance maybe 300 yards. But I'm sure it could go further maybe with a better shooter. Maybe it's just me. I just use an dot and magnifier and normally shoot for combat accuracy. Not hitting a cats butt hole especially at that distance haha.
Nice rifle build. Very nice glass choice
That would be interesting to take Buck’s Scoped Carbine class with. Just to see how it performed.
Good stuff and hello from Saint George.
Hello. Excellent an very informative video!! I love the 12.5” and I’m still waiting on my eForm, since I put it in middle of December. I had made a mistake and was going to make a 10.3” but knew I was going to do a 12.5”, so I had to change and put in another form and now I’m waiting on that to get cleared, God willing soon enough!!! Thank you very much for the video.
Great video thanks for sharing.
Try a Kinetic Dev. group Q/D pic rail attached to a Bipod works well
Have a atlas bipod like that and it’s pretty sweet
Great video
I got a 13 in build in process. Waiting for the primary arms compact 1-8x scope for my glass with badger or unity mount cherry bomb muzzle break and q thunder chicken suppressor in waiting
Liking the look of the Primary Arms new PLX 1-8 waiting for them to release the Griffen reticle would work well on a 12.5”. I have original on a 16” Reece build (Assembled lol) and it’s a beast, scope and mount it’s like 2lbs on top of the riffle
@@LONEWOLF_LCD yeah I got the predecessor Plx 1-8x on a 16 in M&P and it is a beast fell flat on my face with it slung on my chest on a full run and it held zero no scuffs, but thing is heavy as you know what
Hella nice!
I thought 14.5 but I'll check out a 12.5
Check out classic firearms velocity video. The 14.5 and 12.5 is the same velocity surprisingly, probably because of twist rate though
@@HuyLe-vo4pg yeah I was thinking about that , thanks for the info im watching now
Almoust didn’t recognize you from the syndicate, subscribed, will you play with the new big daddy Alamo 15 for us?
Good video
I love cant to side offset red dots.... but if you run NV and wanna shoot passively the top mount is def the way to go for me.
If you are running a laser. Why are you even using an RDS?
Not to mention the percentage a day to night use for the average Joe.
Mainly guys factoring in near-peer threats where lasers pose the problem of not only letting your adversary know they are being aimed at before they are shot, but also giving them a nice reference point to shoot back at. Not really a consideration for the average joe, but something to consider for those training under those circumstances. But if you run a RDS for close in shots, a LAM is still a good redundancy.
@@SWZ32TT all valid points. I just
Feel unlikely at least for most I shoot/train with so i don't spend too
Much time on it. I have a video coming soon on rds placement on spr rifles. More of a conversation video than a review
@@rdrgearwell think about it. Sure if you’re running a laser you have a way to aim under nods. But in a real life combat scenario all a laser would do would give your position away unless your fighting some sort of 3rd world military but they won’t ever have the strength to invade. I’ve heard dudes in MARSOC who say most of CQB and night fighting you don’t even use NODS. It’s primarily white light.
You mentioned going out to 600-700 yards on the 12.5". How much do you think that range is impacted dropping to an 11.5" barrel with either 62 grain or 77 grain rounds? Thanks.
What kind of gas block, bcg, and buffer system?
Yer back at what's basically a _general-purpose_ rifle.
Fellow utah shooter here. I'm looking for some sort of training/someone to shoot with. I've hunted and been around firearms all my life, but as I got more into the ar/tactical shooter I'm lost. If you or anyone out there in utah County would like to train/shoot together let me know.
how can this be more comfortable for u then a 10.5 when u have ur foregrip so far back? im 6.4" and been running 10.5 comfortably for my whole career"20 plus years". i dont understand that part. 12.5 is a great choice but A LOT of misinformation out there
Looks Good. I plan on using a Surefire RC2 with regular supressor/ flash hider mount.Reason is Pew Science test vs the "war comp" He is my go to for can testing
For passive aiming under nods do you still prefer the offset mount vs 12 oclock
Are you running nods now
Yes Sir
I was debating over 11.5 or 12.5.. everything made sense to me for a 12.5 because i have a 10.3 already.. 12.5 for me i think is really good over all.. but i will be purchasing a 14.5 just in case i really need to reach out.. nothing over 14.5 for me..if i have too shoot over 300 yards whats the fukn point.. im patient enough to wait for them to get closer, my rifles will be able to reach 100 yards..
how's the hand brake? been trying to get information on them
UT, huh? Awesome! Do you guys have a store front?
Are you running a standard or adjustable gas block?
What buffer weight are you running?
Was trying to find what the rail is specifically, Midwest SP rails are the larger diameter ones for suppressors to fit underneath. Is this the regular Combat Rail?
Sick little build man! Building a 13.7” at the moment and want to do something similar to yours.
I may have made a typo on that,
Sorry Joey.
Should add a Taran Tactical +5 base plate to that 20 rd'er. Tiny bit more capacity added length seems unnoticeable & it's Babayaga cool 😎
What grip/handstop is that? Looks comfy
emissary development
Thats gotta be a 1.93 mount, thing is high as hell 😂
Sorry for a silly question but I'm newbie in rifles at this moment. What is the best way to make SBR? Pin and weld or pay $200 for form? If I pay this tax and register my rifle as SBR should I pin and weld the muzzle device as well or not? I hope that somebody will answer to my question. Thanks in advance!
Pin and weld and The NFA tax are 2 different things.
1. The pin and weld : is the way someone makes a 14.5” or 13.9” rifle. Both lengths are considered SBR Short barreled rifles. By pinning specific muzzle devices to the existing rifle. The rifles over all length ends up being 16”. A full length rifle.
SBR and the tax as unconstitutional as it is. Is in my opinion the best way. Once it’s you choose a barrel length. You form 1 lower receiver. And put together a rifle that best fits your needs.
You can also run a pistol brace for as long as we have them.
@@rdrgear Great! Thanks for your answer and time!
@@mack_inco anytime hope it helped
$200 tax stamp to SBR is way to go, in my opinion. Eform 1s are pretyy fast these days. Plus pinning a muzzle device means your stuck with said muzzle device.. unless you want to pay someone to unpin it. Save yourself the headache and go stock at any length w SBR stamp.
@@rdrgear The last question about SBR(I hope so). Should I engrave info on my lower receiver? Or what would you recommend? Thanks!
Awesome. What handstop are is that?
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I see why you like to run your RMR on a offset but then again it would be much easier to aim with your RMR at a 12:00 if your LPVO mount wasn’t 5 feet tall 😂 all jokes aside it’s a great build.
At the time of this video and my time On this 12.5 and running the 1.70-1.93 mounts I thought he was easier to run the off set 45. Since this video i have moved to the 12”o clock. With all Reddots. Some of the topics limit this so I have a mount review coming that will help some folks navigate this issue. Appreciate the comment and interaction Doc.
@@rdrgear yeah 100%. I like the idea of running my LPVO’s at a lower level because I like my RMR’s and other red dots over my LPVO because it gives you another way to passively aim under night vision. Again tho great build, far better than mine.
What’s the length of that rail?
11.5 midwest industries combat rail
@@user-uq1kk4mh2n ok thanks
What foregrip is that?
From Emmisary Development. Velox training had done some with the silicone carbide. They are awesome, the angle as the grip texture is spot on.
What ammo are you running in your 12.5? Standard 55 grain or 77 otm's?
Both it all depends on the distance I am shooting.
For gods sake someone tell me what REECE means?
Short for Reconnaissance
What Steven said, just the new popular way instead of recon. People really just mean a general purpose/ light-weight handy rifle with magnification.
Literally reconnaissance. It is an action. Therefore, any rufle used on a recon is a recon rifle.
Today everything on the web...reec recce recce....
It's short for reconnoiter. You can thank the Brits for it.
Damn your rich. How do you make your money sir?
Lol. Rich? I put in 60 hour work weeks. Have been doing this for the last years. Doing what I love. Rdrgear.com
RECCE
Short for reconnaissance, recce rifles can really be a length that the user wants. Optics are usually LPVO but some use ACOGS or other fixed power optics.
Lol "mini-recce", so CQB then...? AKA standard AR-15...
Lol. You obviously have no knowledge of rifle
Lengths and their applications
@@rdrgear I've got all the knowledge, but I just love the nicknames everyone comes up for their rifles. I'm not ridiculing you maliciously, I meant it all in jest. The gun industry loves these buzzwords. Guys were using these in '05 in Iraq, but they didn't say, "hey hand me my recce rifle." That's all, I think its comedic. You don't have to insult my intelligence though.
@@mattysee24 I love all the acronyms for these rifles now. it's even better when someone says you have no knowledge of the topic if you say something as a jest. a rifle is a rifle my dude..
what you paid 1700 for your leupold mk6......thats is fucking cheap. i have a mk6 ILLUM 115044 and i paid 2800 plus 480 spur mount plus tax and your crying lol
1800 is not cheap just because you spent 3500…
@@fatdan172501 your life is cheap
It seems the word "recce" is the new "sniper." A recce rifle is any rifle you bring on reconnaissance just as a sniper rifle is whatever rifle a sniper uses. Mission drives the gear. A 12" AR is a sbr that excels at general purposes. Disliking this video lol
Bro, what rail cover plates are those?
Check out "Slate Black Industries". I got your back man.