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When he called D2 "The greatest game of all time" I kind of suspected that objectivity was already thrown out the window.
It would have been better if he said it was the best the genre has to offer to this date.
It might not be the greatest game of all times, but it's the greatest diablo of all times for sure 🙂
No game has a larger percentage of its playerbase saying its the best of all time though lol, anyone who played like pre 2010 thinks its the best game of all time. Its an opinion like saying pineapple pizza is bad...technically its an opinion but uhhhh thats just gross.
It’s an objective fact though
that's an objective statement
D2 players: "diablo 4 is so repetitive"
Also D2 players:"watch me do 1000 Mephisto runs"
What he didn't really articulate, was that D4 is repetitive even while simply playing through the campaign. D2 gets repetitive in the end-game, sure, but it doesn't really feel that way just playing through the story like D4 does due to the dungeons. Sure you can skip the dungeons to some extent, but it doesn't feel that way since they're often the subject of the side quests.
I'm not a D4 hater, but so far it feels like mostly a D3 clone (and I loved D3 so its fine).
@@Charmander_R27 true, I had so much fun and struggle before I get to the endgame contents where it get repetitive grinds
Idk, D2 act 3 is an absolute slog to get through. I dread every second of it.
@@Charmander_R27 bro what the fuck are you talking about? It’s a few hours worth of campaign that is basically the same exact shit with a story and really doesn’t even have any “dungeons” it’s just the same boss rooms or tombs runs you go into with no actual randomness baked into it, it’s just a bunch of premade maps it cycles through that you can immediately tell where to go once you’ve played it a bit. Diablo II is unarguably the most repetitive stale arpg there is. It was amazing for its time but it’s long past that time and it’s trash compared to current days gaming. There is nothing special about the campaign and I would strongly argue as someone who absolutely HATES d3 that d3 campaign is way better than d2 campaign. And if you want to talk about d4 campaign well you haven’t even played it. You might have slammed the beta hard a few times of course it’s not gonna be exciting when you play the same 1 act 5+ times back to back within 2 days. The fuck? D2 shill logic is insane.
@@benjaminghazi787 and D4 there's even no randomness, just like D3 clone of run through hall ways with less crowded monsters, there are some interesting quests but the rest is basically you run a looong way to the objectives marked on map - like every modern game out there. D2 has it charm as somewhat like Dark Souls of ARPG, first time you play it, you can die every corner when you open a door in a dungeon, you don't know where to go beside the description on your quest that you need to look for on your own, because you have no hand-holding like modern ARPG - just like how Dark Souls still success despite being indifferent to other genres
Hello. One note about level randomization in Diablo ( that is extremally old feature btw ):
- fully randomized levels were already in Diablo 1 ( well, almost - that is from existing room layouts )
- Diablo 2 gets pseudo-randomized levels with predesigned themes, and actually this is more advanced feature that allows to keep better control over the theme of the level. Generally speaking, it is harder to make randomization that will keep specific pattern than full randomization :)
I wouldn't call having a list of premade tilesets rolled randomly to connect to each other "fully randomized", besides it's called procedural not randomized.
I remember each 'tile set' had the exits/mini dungeons etc in totally different places, but after doing runs for a while you could memorize which way to go just from the entrance location.
This is why I like Project Diablo 2. Updates every season: new items, new affixes, new endgame maps, new bosses, good trading system (recent). They also added 3Dfx, so the game runs in good resolution and 60 fps. There's a lot more to PD2 than just farming tombs/pits or whatever
There are so many awsome mods since 2001 that really built on the base game around the time blizzard stopped creating any new meaningful content (1.10). There was a great private server called D2 Maniacs where Median mod was first hosted, along with many other amazing mods. PD2 and POD have just built on this baseline set by previous modders, but have done a great job of balancing the game further and giving great endgame content.
I remember i played d2 mod called eastern sun and i still havent found better arpg
This dude’s nostalgia goggles are on so tight it’s cutting off circulation to his brain.
😂😂😂
@@Crazybamby36 I think the man has his brain removed before making this video.
100%. Pointless video with glaring bias, to top it off with horrible examples and comparison.
Like every D2 Neckbeard basically if they take the glasses off they probably die, or get a aneurysm in their Head.
I tried playing D2 resurrected and couldn't stand how tedious the inventory management was. I also played the Baldur's gate Dark alliance series recently and that's aged a lot better imo. I didn't play the original D2 so maybe I would have had a different experience with D2R if I had.
Some guy on his video said this:
The reason Xtimus is not partnered with Blizzard is probably because he was banned for botting and RMT, then tried to cover everything up by banning everyone talking about it
who knows, knows
Xtimus is not a good person. There's a lot of videos of him floating around from the D2 days... He's incredibly toxic, narcissistic and has a massive superiority complex.
Hopefully he's changed over the years.. but the insinuations in this video really don't make it look like that.
To give an example, people who helped set up and were mods on his discord server were banned because they 'weren't interested in getting involved with the drama he was starting with others'..
@@mataric1157 yeah he probably hasn't changed much, this guy is giving off MAJOR main player syndrome vibes here.
He’s not partnered with anyone as he bullied a fan into suicide… well documented
Oh RIP, its the next QuantumTV, I haven't heard such bad takes since.
I play Diablo 2, love it a ton. Playing Diablo 4 now and still loving it. Good gameplay, I feel like I’m on an actual map and the story is great
but level scalling is terrible
yeah I agree the gaame is great !
@@djkidii Please expand.
lets just say diablo2 is godmode, diablo3 is stinky garbage, diablo4 is sunshine reggae
the experience is very subjective
I think the opposite is true with runewords - they have not yet added them BECAUSE they know how they work. Runewords in D2 killed 90% of gearing options. During levelling the focus was always to gain runes (countess farming) to create the must have runewords for chest, head, weapon etc. every character I made regardless of class or spec had to have a stealth chest (lvl 17 i think) which is then used for the entirety of the levelling process (for the most part). the choices of endgame chestpiece were basically enigma or fortitude runewords depending on what your class and spec needed. Spirit monarch was the shield of choice for almost all endgame sorc builds - etc. I had some really powerful unique items drop that would have been build defining for my character were it not for a runeword (grief) rendering ALL drops worthless. The endgame basically became a grind for runes to either use as currency for charms or to roll a new runeword. It became so that only a couple of items were of any use. This in turn reduced the value of the useless items to next to nothing so you couldn't even trade these extremely rare drops for any runes worth anything. Tyrael's Might - supposedly the rarest drop in the game - wasn't even worth a Ber (1 of the runes required to make enigma along with Jah which was even more expensive.) I found it was more profitable to use my horker barb to endlessly farm Trav - picking up all gems - cubing them to perfects and trading those gems for runes. (gems are used for crafting the bis Amulets). The other issue - without trade you are limited to making runewords only with runes you have found, the drop rates of the high runes would need to be better than D2 as in 20 years of playing I NEVER had a Jah rune drop. I had to trade mountains (like 1000s) of Gems to get the Jah rune for my enigma. With the ability to craft rares into legendaries, reroll stats on items, and have build defining uniques - where exactly do runewords fit in? Are they intended to be ultra rare craftables that rival uniques for the drop chance of the required runes? Are they to be overpowered levelling items? will the runes be tradeable? do they want runewords to eclipse 90% of gear choices? I think applying them to a season with the option of removing them the following season if they dont work correctly is a smart idea
Well said top comment tbh
holy shit wall of text
I loved runewords, but I have to agree it's unfortunate how they made most uniques obsolete. Especially those +2 skills sword and shield runewords were basically (if not actually) better than any unique endgame alternative, and I think you could use them from level 40 or even earlier. I remember those days before runewords became the meta, where you used actual uniques in lategame builds, like Grandfather or Eaglehorn. I'm honestly torn on this, on a principled level it is unfortunate (and arguably bad design) that one is clearly the better choice. On the other hand I really loved runewords the way they were. If I was to redesign D2 myself I would probably attempt to make them more balanced, though.
I don't think any of what you said was a bad thing. Gave you something fun to work on for literal years.
@@vincentserna9174 holy shit tiktok generation
As someone who's favorite game is also Diablo 2. This guy was so hard to listen to. He's making D2 fans look crazy and stupid. I literally wanted to pull out my hair listening to him. On another note, much love to you Asmongold. You are the man.
In some moments i feel a gap between what he say and what he want reach
@@PsiDebby Yo, I smell my own farts. B/c they're sterile & I like the taste.
@@PsiDebby I actually said this during the first 3 minutes of the video especially when he said he was unique and unlike other D2 content creators.
To be honest, D2 fans are crazy and stupid.. mostly cus they are fanatics.
They are operating like a cult, Like FFXIV fanboys.
@@ramonandrajo6348 Whatever, fanboy. XD
It’s kind of amazing how he was able to be so presumptive and wrong about his points while simultaneously not really making any points
Just curious thought, what did Asmon say to persuade you any different. This guy spends his whole life playing arpg..and asmon plays them for a week max once or twice a year and claims to have knowledge of whats good for the game. If you side with Asmon, you side with a casual gamer that will only dumb down your game. The video is really preachy and over exaggerated BUT don't you dare listen to someone like Asmon and his opinion on any kind of ARPG. Watch him play POE, he's the biggest nub in the world. It's so cringey and he has no idea what the fuck he's doing.
hilariously, too. with statements like "no sense of accomplishment" lmaooooo ok because farming a 0.00000245% drop rate is totally fun and rewarding! JK people just bought Ber runes for like $7.
@@db212006 sure here’s just 1: anyone who accuses the entire diablo team as essentially clout-chasing with nothing to support such an insane claim has lost the plot and is venting their emotions not constructing an argument from evidence
@@ramonandrajo6348 shaddup freak
@@MintBerryCrunch he just copy and pastes the same shot on every video and thread including the original videos comment sections. Literal autist
COUNTERSTRIKE 1.6, DIABLO 2 LOD, and WC3 FROZEN THRONE was the shit for an early 2000s teen.
Lord don't tell me that a D2 player didn't just accuse another game of being repetitive. LORD TELL ME. A D2 PLAYER. DID. NOT. ACCUSE. ANOTHER GAME. OF BEING. REPETITIVE. I was there brother. I was there in the beginning. I was there grinding for SOJs in the day. I killed Baal so many gd times. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT. Lord, you better not be. I was there, in D2R, running Andy NM hundreds of times. LORD YOU BETTER NOT.
Why not? Still a valid criticism.
Oh he went into "your brain is a computer" therefore Diablo 2 is best...
I cringe.. because he reminds me of how I was in high school. It's so embarrassing. I don't think I can even finish watching this vid...
@@Deminese2 it's about hypocrisy, not criticism.
@@ramonandrajo6348 So that means you're not a true Diablo fan. XD
@@ramonandrajo6348 you might want to check out the comments on the original video
The reason Xtimus is not partnered with Blizzard is probably because he was banned for botting and RMT, then tried to cover everything up by banning everyone talking about it.
@@Xtimus I think the point being made is you were banned for breaking the ToS. Then by being banned that would be grounds for not being promoted. There may be other reasons like you not being active for an extended period or your reach not being as large as some others but to imply as you did that you are only promoted if you are in blizzard's pocket is disingenuous.
@@Xtimus Weren't you complaining that D4 is repetitive and D2 is always different? Now you are just grinding the same dungeon over and over and over in D2. All ARPGs are super repetitive. You complained about drops being boring and not exciting enough, but then complain that there is no trading for you to just buy whatever item you need without actually doing anything. I guess trading for things has more accomplishment to you huh.
@@Stavroization it’s kinda sad you had to break TOS to even play the game lol
Honestly a lot of these topics should be made into videos I mean. There’s so much detail and history to all of this I can’t explain it in one comment
@@Xtimus yeah, their methods for combating botting were fruitless but that's besides the point.
D2 has better balance in terms of leveling and monster difficulty scaling. Itemisation is also better and dosnt make you super hyper demolisher with floating numbers. Specific item give you specific skill addition that you can use as advantage like for example highlords wrath amulet used on ubers etc. The strongest and best items are made orcrunes and this is where the end game begins to get the best items you can made and to make them you need the rarest Runes dropped in game in order to increase that chance a trade system comes to side. I know botting, hacking, duping and d2jsp crap which kill it all but at least the community’s trading is there. D4 need work and re balance is different game but for now it should be called Diaablo 4 Dungeons and Dungeons.
Your idea on how D2 maps are done is.. mostly right, there are different variants of it but most of the maps are only pseudo random with fairly predictable patterns. Durance of hate level 2 going to 3 as an example since mephisto farm is pretty popular, from the waypoint the entrance to 3 will always face counterclockwise to the direction the durance of hate 2 portal exits from, but sometimes the map will loop around on itself so if you're exiting the portal south you'll immediately head east but the actual entrance was to the west while heading east to the portal.
yup like enter the gungeon
never noticed. i heared most played with maphack
@@timopint1125 yeah most did, as much shit as companies get for bad anticheat these days..blizzard was so much worse lol.
@@timopint1125 Most of us did back in the day, but that was because none of us knew how to read the map pieces. After learning how to read maps properly I never felt the desire to have maphack when I played d2r.
There were nowhere near a majority of map hackers in public games at least.
It was really obvious playing with people who consistently ran straight towards the next area without ever changing direction.
Common to see for sure but way more likely to not have one in your game (EU server).
Here is the real reason- most of original Diablo 2 players are older (Gen X) and have watched what has happened to the video game industry over the past two decades. They have that baseline to compare, which makes things like Battle-passes, Microtransactions, Season-passes, mandatory online, account creating, and all the rest of the FOMO, money grubbing that much more disgusting and repelling.
Exactly that, but then i also earn good money and stopped to care about their greed. Im like: Meh, have it you needy sluts.
100%
thats not even what dude is primarily complaining about, hes got that diablo 2 purist brain rot and hates any mechanic that isn't directly brought over from diablo 2
those elements are disgusting, but that person definitely does not speak for all of us. I played ALL Diablo games... I played them a lot, now being 35 years old.
And so far I like D4, I'm just level 21 now, but I like it. In all honestly I did not hated even D3 (tough some elements there were annoying as all hells too)
I may not like those elements, but I have to either accept it or not play the game at all.
THIS
I think its wild when people say diablo 4 will be too repetitive and then proceed to do 600 mephisto runs or 200 pindle runs...i love diablo 2, and im excited for diablo 4. Rng can be a great thing but havin a real evolving endgame is bettee than farming all day to be able to kill bosses uve already killed, slightly faster.
@@francoisturgeon1176 its fun in its own way, but yea, super repetitive.
Then they’ll argue maps are randomly generated when they’re the same fuckin maps you’ve played 100000 times and can recognize them as soon as you step into the map and see which way it’s opening to
Or the campagin three times, people are delusional defending D2 and casting opinions off a act 1 beta of D4
@@benjaminghazi787 and they are backtracking af lol
Kinda why i like PD2, running maps is more exciting of a way to farm items than 1 shot content after a few days of playing.
The main thing I always appreciated in D2 over any other ARPG (including PoE) is the atmosphere that is created by the design of the maps and monsters and the incredible soundtrack. The general loot and item design is probably on par with games like PoE, definitely simpler but also in a way more elegant. There are almost no throwaway uniques in D2 compared to the 90% of trash you find in PoE. Most of the time there is a use for each unique either for leveling or endgame purposes. If D2 had a fleshed out endgame I think it would be a superior game to modern ARPGs in a lot of ways.
Going through the acts / campaign was fun every time thanks to said leveling uniques and sets you found along the way, the great world design and music, and generally polished combat and enemy design. You also felt the power increase with each level, as you unlocked new skills or improved your main skill. It just worked on so many levels. Up until act 5 hell i think D2 is still my favorite ARPG to this day. The main issue is the lack of true endgame. Back in the day endgame basically amounted to MF runs and trading, but without an active community half of that falls away. So usually you stick to a playthrough or two every couple of years, or playing HC as far as you can.
Most of the uniques in D2 is also mostly throwaways.... most of the unique can't match the power coming from runes....
i perssonally liked the rarity settings and possibilitys in d2. had a stormshield, max block socceres that was tanky as fuck. you had charms and so many things that combined made you very strong. but most off all it was the item hunting. the tradeoffs from magic find and strength. and the need for optimization. you had players off meta, having insanly strong builds. physical damage reduction, block rate, block speed, magic absorb, reduced damage etc, all were really well balanced. and every class was differently strong. amazone & sorc were stronger, but an insansly equiped barb could deal with it.
and i think the one thing that made d2 people completly addictive was the adrenalin rush when an item dropped. not because it was a good feature, but because it felt real, direct and intense since others could grab it.
with d4 im not sure, what ive seen im just fearing the d3 parts in it. but need to play before saying anything about it
show me an efficient non sorc build without enigma.
so yeah balance is completely fucked in d2, spirit enigma, shako and grief juist to name the most used items in like 90% of endgame setups
the reason offmeta felt so much more doable in those games ist that they were mostly played at a time where people didnt look up or upload build guides on the internet nearly as much as nowadays. I play both d2r and wow classic, let me tell you my prot warrior was forced to reroll dps because paladins are better no matter if prot warrior can tank the content.
no matter what game people play nowadays the people have changed, even those old school ones will never go back to playing games the way they were 20 years ago
This guy did a great job at diminishing all the reasons why D2 is actually such a great game.
It's one thing to play devil's advocate (see what I did there?), it's quite another to "pooh-pooh" something with zero evidence or even thought behind the statement.
That was a horribly myopic take by Asmongold.
WTF are you talking about. Asmon didn't even play D2. Xtimus is the legend.
@@BitWise501 whos Xtimus ?
@@Shipdacheese No, I just have my own opinions.
@@MrVvulf i think calling out the crazy guy would be short-sighted(fully calling out, shaming etc). asmon seems to have a formula for what he takes from other people's vids and he seems to want to avoid having his audience go on a witch hunt.
I love how Asmon is roasting Xtimus, coming from the diablo 2 community and knowing how much we all dislike him, makes it so much better.
it was the crossover i never thought id see in this life time but i am glad im here for it
Wut? Xtimus had great content for many years
@@ShamSoap oh no.. lol. he has a few good videos thats it. hes a complete embarrassment to the d2 community and has some done very shady and immature things.
@@ShamSoap He was a viewed as an og d2 content creator untill a point where more D2 youtubers/streamers started popping and the game had some slight following both on twitch and youtube like some of the speedrunners and he started drama with some of them and ended up as the fool.
Also there was a d2jsp drama with DatNiggaDavid where this guy David provided some screenshots about him being immature and toxic to some other guy(who i think killed himself if i remember right but that was never confirmed mightve been fake).
He was really immature in all of these and he stopped posting for alot of time untill everything subsided and came around D2R release and has started posting ever since.
Diablo 2 had something that the other games will never have. Extremely rare items, the need to trade with people. It was such an amazing game. He is right that D3, D4 cannot compare with it. Which is so sad. The graphics increased, but they lost track of what made that game exciting. Someone randomly trying to kill you in the game at any time. It made your heart race when someone would come for you. It really felt like an open world.
So you had to either rely on other people or succumb to an extreme grind? Sounds amazing.....
I like D3 and D4 way more than D2, each to their own I guess
Correct. D3 was crap. D4 is better but both will never come close to d2. D2 is the greatest game of all time. End of discussion
@@flonkas nah
@@flonkas Sorry, I played D2 and D2:R. I love Diablo 2, HOWEVER, you and a lot of Diablo 2 players who refuse to even give D4 a fair chance are officially on Copium now. You are just as bad as the Coping WoW players during Shadowlands. It's honestly pathetic at this point.
D4 players: "I love this game it's so much fun"
Also D4 Players: "I never played D2 and started with D3 but i have plenty of opinions"
Well most Diablo 2 players hate Xtimus so ya know. He’s arrogant, steals content, and has had a constant stream of drama following him.
@@Xeirus911 No. A "cool dude" wouldn't put a list of competing content creators up on the screen and imply that they're all bought out by Blizzard. Cool dudes focus on making their own good content regardless of what anyone else does.
this! thank you
@@Xeirus911 Xtimus has had a history of using other people, stealing content ideas from years ago, horrible hot takes, and is beyond full of himself. He has attacked other streamers on many occasions, and started drama constantly. There is proof of this all over the place. He also blocks people after starting problems with them, and used to block anyone that gave him backlash.
@@Xeirus911 the dude was caught botting and RMT, then lied about it. He stole video ideas from people, and claimed them as his own. He tried to start hate towards other creators. He’s a coward, a thief and a cheat. There really is no defense for that.
@@Xeirus911 The content ideas were stolen long ago. I’ve read all of your comments. You can’t just say “You can’t steal content from a 20 year old game”. The content was stolen when the concepts were fresh from other creators. He did steal the ideas, and never give any credit. That is immoral. He lied to his audience about a lot of issues. He tries to start drama with other creators, then whines and cries about it getting backlash for it. He is pretty pathetic all around.
i love diablo 2 but i have no idea why people act like it has this unlimited replayability
Completed it on hell and never looked back. I enjoyed it SO much though.
Rune words system in my opinion,some of the gear made from it are very powerful&interesting and you can actually get it in early game.
But the drop rate of high runes are insanely low
@@ML-po6vy some rares and the difference between non class locked uniques make the game quite interesting with the possibility of trying thousands of different builds specially for runewords like enigma opening the teleporting skill for all classes and doing PvP one of the bests out there. The hunting for rares with the top mods (a.k.a 2/20/res/stat/ 2socket diadems) and crafting amy 2/20 skill/cast also. It was more open to playeability rather than just oh this set is for this class with this other set for a bonus , locked for only this class with 2 stats fixed
Don't say that the D2 Andy's will come to get you.
Warcraft 3 is the real game with unlimited replayability. Unfortunately reforged killed it.
Crafting was actually a huge part of D2. I remember chipped gem rerolling barb swords for BIS ed rolls... BIS amulets in D2 are in fact crafted. Also making alts to do charsi imbue runs to do a version of crafting a circlet to get BIS for sorcs and sins was a thing. That is a lot of crafting
You don't need half of that quality of items to do work in this game. You probably need like 2-3 BIS items to be at 90% of your power level. The rest is just details that don't really change much. I've cleared DClone solo this season 3 times with my Zealer pally, with 2 of those being with gear worth maybe 1-2 IST rune. Gear matters to some degree, but you really need so few of it.
Not to mention the hours spent gambling..
@BlackZanderPL I can make a jank smite pally with black and not grief ect. But in ARPGs, it's about getting "BIS" and upgrading gear. I also didn't say you needed BIS. What I said is that there was a lot of crafting in D2.
What is BIS?
@@OnBr0kenW1ngs I have done almost none of it during my 15 years of playing. It's NOT a big part of the game. It's OPTIONAL part of the game.
People saying that Diablo 3 wasn't a good/succesfull game don't realise that most people played the campaign with a friend and then quit the game, it's only bad if you never stop playing.
This video feels like a friend sitting on my couch, baked out of his mind, explaining to me the quantum physics and metaphysical nature of “The RNG.”
@@BMoser-bv6kn kind of reminds me of that kid down the street that always tries to brag but everyone knows he’s full of shit and no one takes him serious except the other weirdos who do the same thing
That amount of quantum physics that he studied must have really affected him because it felt like he had 2 neurons and even those were quantumly entangled. I've never heard a man make so many wrong points and also contradict those same points in such a short span of time.
Ok that quantum entanglement joke went hard 💀💀
LoL great point
@@RmX. I swear he said he studied quantum physics while he was on a spiritual journey.
@@RmX. probably. That guy seems like a complete tool anyway.
The comments here are hilarious. I'm a D2 player. You all are totally right, 1000 Mephisto runs is repetitive. That's why we bot..
I joke! Seriously though, there's so much fun in the repetition for us in D2 that is lacking in other games.
I will be the bad guy and speak for the rest of us D2 players now:
We know that it is repetitive, and we say it isn't repetitive because there is something great (to us) about starting new characters and magic finding to gear them up. BTW, every single game is repetitive in some way. The only one that isn't is Real Life, because it isn't limited by a human's coding for what exists.
WHY DO WE FEEL D2 IS MORE REPLAYABLE?
In Diablo 2 there is JUST enough character development time spent on leveling to want to build new characters and develop them out. This character development time could also be grinded through with your desired End Game build in mind, and it didn't have to be complete for it to be functional, as it absolutely does in D3. I've played other games, and that process takes so f**king long that I know I'll never be able to get to the end of it. Path of exile was one example of that, for me. I looked at it and said "NOPE! That's going to take me until I'm 80 years old!" and then I Uninstalled to save hard drive space.
At the same time, the loot system that this creator was trying to discuss from D3, gives instant gratification. The loot here, it sounds to me, is similar to D3 in that you do a few runs and your whole set can drop. After a few greater rift runs, all that's left is to grind paragon levels for a fraction of a percentage stat boost, at best, while looking for the exact items that you already have, but with one more dexterity than the previous item in slot to get that 0.1 percent boost to damage.
The replayability for d2 players comes from the time consuming process of finding and gearing, after the time spent in character leveling stages, and not solely from character development. This differs from D3 in a huge way, with its infinite paragon levels causing end game to be broken for players with less than the 10,000 paragon levels. (One player can clear GR150, due SOLELY on the paragon levels the player has, while players who exist in real life with other interests, jobs, families, etc. have a few thousand paragon levels after a decade of playing can only clear GR90 to 120 at best with the most OP class builds)
Because the items themselves aren't splashing on the ground every other screen in D2, the items actually feel like they have value. In D3, I almost never felt like a single of my items had value to it. There was one or two items, out of thousands, that I actually appreciated; the Primal Ancient weapon for my favorite build.
They gave us augments to help make our end game gear feel more important and have more gravity, but that implementation seemed to me to be needed as a result of the items popping all over the place and the devs awareness of the dead and shallow feeling that instant gear gratification afflicted their game with.
Instant gratification ends in a dead feeling game. That goes for all games. Just try playing games with cheat codes enabled and you'll remember what I mean.
And there's more to the itemization in D2 that did not exist in D3.
In D2, almost anything you found had a good use scenario.
Here are overlooked items:
Socketable items, and bases for runewords held value and felt great to find and hold onto for a later day.
Some magic items were playable due to having one or two very useful stats, like plus 1, 2, or 3 to necromancer summoning skills amulets. Those made a massive difference but were not end game items.
Stacking useful stats like Faster Cast Rate, Life and mana leech, Faster Hit Recovery, Mana per kill, Slows target on hit (for amazons), Resistances (mitigating a percentage of incoming elemental damage), etc. carried a great deal of weight. So finding rares and even low level unique items with specific stats, could make them viable in the end game outside of pvp. I never experienced any value to stats like these in Diablo 3.
In Diablo 3, every class needed the highest possible crit rate and crit damage. Then the mechanics of using sets to give you gigantic damage reduction percentages made up the rest of the necessary specs for surviving in an otherwise glass cannon build.
In reality, ALL builds in D3 are glass cannons due to the obscene damage numbers required to complete higher game content. The exception is percent damage mitigation, every single time, for every single class!
This is all a basic summary of what he was trying to communicate in much of his video content.
It's hard to describe what makes diablo 2 so enjoyable compared to other arpgs. I think open trade and completely unbound items is a big factor. In things like d3 when you are done with the items on your char, you are done. You can start a new char and do everything from scratch, but playing the other one with good gear is kinda pointless. Because loot has become pointless. In D2, farming with a perfectly geared char is super fun and efficient because you accumulate currency or find items that let you play a new char that can farm other specific things. That is the next thing. In D4 you have a main char that does everything. In d2 you have a Java for cows. A necro for world stone, a tele sorc for keys and cry barb for pit etc etc.
And the there are people who just use the game as a trading sim because it has a good balance of currencies, anyone can farm perfect gems that are needed by higher lvl players for crafting etc. And on top of that there is always this chance whatever you do, that a BER will drop that can change your whole game instantly! It's always exciting.
I love the part where he spoke for an entire community, with seemingly random "facts"
Wait wait wait I think I missed that part.. what's the time stamp?
I'm disappointed Asmogold didn't notice the person's made up statistics were always 98%. He just kept saying 98% this 98% that with no genuine data.
I gotta go to work so maybe asmo noticed at some point, I'm a third of the way into the video
@@jfdhfjug1 I gotcha king. 00:00 - 1:04:00
Genuinely impressive display of patience from Asmon, this video was stepping all over itself trying to make big points with poor examples. I would have X'd out early on tbh.
as soon as he brought up quantum physics i knew he was trolling but his voice was so monotone and he never cracked a single joke, it was a bit impressive honestly
I just loved how the dude didn't hide his EXCESSIVELY obvious bias at all that Diablo 2 was "the greatest game ever made". I swear he tried to say it every time he could.
"At no end of the spectrum has Blizzard found satisfying, interesting gameplay loops, other than the endless treadmill of watching the numbers incrementally go up."
-PCgamer on D4
😅.
I really think people that never played the Diablo 2 endgame should not have any opinion on the topic, for him the D2 endgame is sorc which uses teleport and AOE farms. The game is too complex to understand it for 5 min of the stream-watching of a random sorc fanboy. I always main Paladin, the feeling to get Enigma by yourself and see the char that struggled for a long, long, long time now able to destroy the game - priceless, the feeling to collect the rune words that make you Uber boss destroyer - priceless. If you never found/got a Ber rune you should not have an opinion as you don't know what it takes and what the real endgame is. The D2 endgame is not dudes playing sorc and teleporting around one shooting everything and if you think that we know you never got D2 as a game. If you ever get deep into D2 you will understand what I am talking about :)
@@user-hq2cf7tf4c sorry but this guy (who asmongold is reacting to) just wants to hate the game or something. Fine, you like D2 better than D4, nothing wrong with that.
But to say D4 is repetitive vs D2 isn't is just plain BS. How many Mephisto or Tower runs has the (not so) average D2 player done lol. if that aint repetitive I don't know what is.
I don't care about repetitiveness per sé (it was fine in D2,3 and D4) but I'm enjoying the hell out of the 4th, as I've had with all of the others.
For me, every new Diablo game has been better than the previous version and to say Blizzard doesn't care about their games when you can quite clearly see how much polish goes into them is nuts. Diablo 4 blew me away, it is f**king stunning...maybe us old schoolers appreciate the effort more being around when 3dfx open GL was first introduced and as Asmon said, there wasn't a massive amount to play back then. Avalon i think it was called was a text-based rpg experience had rng..a troll hits you for 25 damaged etc. Every student i knew was playing it, then came along games like Everquest which is why you're playing WoW now. I'm not nostalgic eh hee, pushing 50 and i don't want to go to work anymore, just wanna sit at home and play games and wait for the Reaper, and what was all that spiritual shit about, who doesn't like chilling on the rig with a smoke and putting in a 15 hour gaming session till your eyes bleed....I've spent the day watching your stuff Asmon and it's refreshing to see a streamer not wrapped up in their own self-importance...magic stuff
Me playing Diablo 2 when I was 12: "WOAH that wall wasn't there last time! This is the only reason I play this game."
"A new experience every time you play". Me leaving the Act III Durance of Hate level 2 waypoint and going left when leaving the doorway with the waypoint in it to find Durance of Hate level 3 entrance every single time I play.
always go left!
Act 3 starts > get waypoint to Mephisto > kill Mephisto > act 4
Doesn't work like that anymore. In resurrected you have to get all the organs and imbue the flail to progress
"A new experience every time you play"
Plays sorc. Does 1000 pindle runs
the feels xD. start a new ladder. and farm eld/shenk until u got the base items you need to start doing mephisto runs. hoping for the early arach to make that $$$ xD
simple answer: because it is not diablo 2..
I love diablo 2 and love diablo 4 even more, one reason cross play. Simple things get simple reasons. ❤️🔥💯🤌
not true
@@jasongrundy17174 is nothing like D2 other than the genre and name on the box.
D4 is also really great based on the 25 levels I played
Exactly, Diablo now lives only off its big name. Back then the whole fighting experience in Diablo 2 in birds eyes view with a lot of left clicks was super new, super fresh and modern. It was simply peak for its time. But for modern standards it’s super boring. At least on my opinion after playing d3 after d2.
The holding of outdated mechanisms happens all the time in the world, in big companies or even in country’s economies, until they don’t give profit, cause nobody gives up on things that gave success in the past, even if it’s bad and won’t guarantee success in the future.
It just seems boring. Doesn’t appeal to me at all.
So my whole point: People crave for the experience they had with D2, where everything was exciting and new, not with the mechanics or the style of the game itself.
@@jasongrundy1717 no??! what makes u think its d2?
Kinda hard to really judge Diablo 4 in comparison to Diablo 2 when the latter was only released like a week ago.
Diablo 2 at launch was pretty bad, only 4 acts, 5 classes, bad boring items, and no rune words. Only when LOD expansion came out was when D2 became a classic. Diablo 4 has the potential to grow and become better over time. Whenever D4 stops getting support is when we should judge it properly.
Anyone saying diablo 2 is not repetitive AS ALL HELL is just delusional. End of story
I now understand why the D2 community doesn’t really like his content that much lmao
Every game franchise has its “this 20 year old game was the best and nothing will touch it” crowd.
Asmongold, “I never played Diablo ii”
Also asmondgold, “let me tell you all about Diablo ii”
/thread
I'm sad for people that say they already played the best game of all the time. They will never find a better game because they don't want to.
So much this. Meanwhile while I've been gaming since before D2 came out, I'm still getting excited for all the great new games coming out every year.
Was having a blast in Everspace 2 last month. I'm currently addicted to Tears of the Kingdom, and D4 us right around the corner!? Every year being a gamer gets better, I'm spoiled AF!
Indeed. D3 was supposed to be a glorified D2 expansion, new classes/items/etc, better graphics and a new story.Thats all we wanted. But they just had to screw the pooch. God bless D2R.
Im mean, D2 was a revolution in the genre. It was the golden standard and is an incredible game even 20 years later
My first gaming experience was being my dad's "potion guy" on Diablo 2. Meaning I would sit beside him while he played with my hands on "1234" ready to make his character drink a health potion. Of course whenever he died it was my fault🤣😅. I wont be buying Diablo 4; the paying extra for early access, weird promotional and marketing material, and general direction Blizzard has taken with their other products has scared me away.
That's awesome, I played D1 when I was like 10, wasn't that good then and had to have my friend be the "potion masher" to kill Diablo. Good times.
That's pretty wholesome
thats cute
Me and my cousins would take turns to be the potion guys hahhaa.
If something so insignificant in terms of gameplay has scared you away, it's probably better if you won't play it :)
D3 for the last seasons before D4 was absolutely brilliant, sad thing is that you reached endgame very quickly after hitting level 70 and all the content was just Bounties, Vaults, Nephalem Rifts for keystones and then Greater Rift pushing or farming.
and in D4 you have, nightmare dungeons, a finite renown grind, world boss, and as i like to call her "uber lillith", ohh and helltides i guess, but that is for crafting mats i think
2:43 Is so true; plenty of the people on 'the list' have given negative feedback. Its such an unnuanced take to assume that they are just shilling because they happen to partnered.
I mean, being repetitive is kind of the theme of all the Diablo games. The only major change I'm seeing so far between previous Diablo games and D4 is that the over world map isn't randomized every time you log into it (meaning geography and event location points) and you have other players in the world with you without needing to 'join a game'.
No. Not in the way that 3 and 4 are, not by a long shot.
@@justinTime077 I'll politely disagree. I've been playing the Diablo series since late 1997. Being grindy AF is pretty much the whole point. :)
@@allenr316 the point is what you missed as it turns out. The moral of the story is that there is rewarding grinding, and then there’s the d3 formula of showering you in loot so that you feel like you got mostly what your end goal is very quickly (in a night if you play like I do at times), and then from there finding the same shit over and over in that same loot shower to maybe get 1% better. In d2 you’re rewarded by finding or making THE item, which is rare, scarce, and therefore valuable and rewarding. Anyone can pick it up off the ground, but YOU have it, and probably many someone else’s haven’t found or been able to earn it yet. It doesn’t rain down on you like candy as in D3, and D4 will be the same. In D2 I can take weeks to months to achieve what I wanted. It feels better when you get there, and it feels better to get each godly piece. Then, since there’s an economy for these rare and valuable unique items that EVERYONE can use… you still want to search for more to build your wealth and get more stuff you may want. D3 and D4 simply don’t have that depth or value. Point made, don’t miss it again, Mr. 1997.
@@justinTime077 If you had bothered to state something similar in your reply to my original statement, instead of a no detail "No, you're wrong", then I probably would have been more inclined to agree with you. I've indicated in other videos (not that I would expect you to know this, I'm not the CZcamsr, obviously) that I agreed with the statements about D3 legendary loot being WAY too freely dropped. I want to see that legendary orange and say "Fuck yeah!", not "God damn... another one?". So we're essentially agreeing on this aspect of the game.
@@allenr316 I gave you you your detail right above. Definitely didn’t do what you’re claiming.
D&D being the first game with dice-roll RNG is actually a frequent misconception, it was technically Chainmail, a game made in 1971, but Gary Gygax made Chainmail as well as D&D, so I mean it's not that far off. Just interesting info.
oh thx! I remembered D&d not being the first one but I didn't know who was
how do you pronounce Gygax tho
@@cumsteak Guy-gax
@@cumsteak Guy-gax
What an out-of-touch tool. tell me you-ve only played D2 for 15= years without telling me you've only played D2 for 15+ years.
D3 comes out
D2 playerrs: "D2 was better!"
Blizard: "Alright, we'll do D4 more in line with what was D2."
D4 comes out
D2 players: "D2 was better"
It's like people still saying gen 1 in Pokemon was the best. At some point you need to accept changes.
This guy makes so many baseless claims derived from HIS personal experience. Diablo 3 may have not stayed relevant but it was a major commercial success. Also the bit towards the end saying the developers don't know Diablo and haven't played it is just ridiculous.
This video makes me feel so much better for the wild takes I make in my own Diablo videos 😂
major commercial success? what, it was relatively dogshit at launch upheld by the hype of the diablo brand it wasnt until reaper of souls that it actually got some serious reviews and praise.
@@C3l3bi1 it was, it does not matter what the reviews were. Diablo III remains the fastest-selling PC game to date, and also one of the best-selling PC video games of all time with 30 million copies sold worldwide.
@@C3l3bi1 that’s just not even remotely true 💀 it was the quickest selling game of all time and still holds up as a top 10 selling game. it’s initial release was huge and i don’t think any game in the past 5 years even comes close
@@C3l3bi1 Diablo 3 is the number 22 top selling game of all time, so yes. By any metric it was a major commercial success.
@C3l3bi1 This is exactly what I'm talking about. Just because it wasn't the game you wanted doesn't mean it didn't break world sales records and make Diablo a household name to a much larger audience than Diablo 2 enjoyers. It's still, too this day, one of the most suggested couch coop games for most audiences.
As a D2/D2R junkie since waaaaay back when, I am very excited for D4. I enjoyed all three betas immensely. I believe a big part of the problem is that people expect "more Diablo 2" with each new game in the series. D4 isn't going to be (nor should it be) D2/D2R. Why? Because they already made that game. Go play that if that is what you want.
@@ramonandrajo6348 cringe.
@@ramonandrajo6348 YOU aren't a true Diablo fan. You're a D2 fan and that's it. Just a pretender.
tried diablo 4 beta. its shit
@@ramonandrajo6348 "TrUe DiAbLo fAn"
Exactly.
You lost me at "No one cares about PVP in Diablo". Proof you never spent much time playing Diablo 2. PVP was absolutely HUGE for Diablo 2.
"Nice try, Satan." Being raised a Catholic, this line brought me to tears, laughing.
I had the same experience with Diablo and Diablo 2.
Me: "But I have to kill the devil!"
Mom: "nice try"
"Diablo?! You mean Devil?!"
"No, Mom! I *kill* the Devil!!!"
A rite of passage.
D2 is not as randomly generated as people think. Once you figure out how things work, it really is the same thing over and over again. It's no different from D3 or D4.
man have you ever played d2? what are you talking about lmfao
@@BG1435q he is right i played d2 last year and u have a couole of layouts for each map u go tru
D2 maps are procedurally generated using a pre-built palette of tiles or blocks for each zone. The Act 3 Jungle will never spawn with desert tiles, but each iteration of the jungle will be unique. Some iterations may be very similar, while others will be wildly different. D2 also features a handful of pre-determined maps (such as the Den of Evil), similar to how D4 spawns its maps. There can be no debate that D2's maps, while not totally random, are significantly closer to true randomness than D4's maps.
These people with zero clue how RNG works in D2 hahahaha. Compared to D3/D4... D2 is RNG galore plus it's in fact true RNG. D3 wasn't even RNG - both items and maps. D3 had zero map randomization. D3 had timers that dynamically changed your MF based on how bad luck you had. Nothing RNG about that - in fact it's a fixed RNG system similar to slot machines.
this is true for the map, but for the items not even close
d2: is my all-time favorite game, but not objectively the best game. and d2 players need to realize that.
d4: does a decent job and i certainly don’t hate it, but it could be better and take a few notes from d2 and POE
these are my opinion:
d4 needs to make item bases feel distinct from one another. At the very least, keep the item base name on the item after you pick it up. if on the ground it says (yellow)"iron wand" and i pick it up it should still say "rare iron wand" under its name. If they want to go further have the fact that it’s an iron wand mean something, currently it just makes everything feel like stat sticks instead of personalized gear. POE does this great, a ruby ring gives you fire res. Before you even pick it up you know that.
d4 needs just a little more choice of passives, right now it’s just 1 mandatory and a choice between 2 others per skill. maybe instead of 1 mandatory, there should be a choice on the first node, take corpse explosion for example, instead of just the 15% increased radius mandatory passive, give another choice such as 10% increasing damage. so, you can either do big weaker explosions or concentrated powerful explosions. and then from either of those choices you can pick either of the second passives. Im not looking for anything like POE here just 1 other passive per active skill so the first passive isnt mandatory.
it would be cool to add some currency like runes from d2 or orbs from poe that have some meaningful effect in the game. vaal orbs would probably be the easiest to implement.
d4 needs some unique endgame bosses that are not easy to access over and over, also being difficult to defeat, with item pools that are either extremely rare to find elsewhere or, completely singular to that boss. POE does this amazing.
the social aspect of d4 needs to be fixed.
complaints:
some enemies make no sense, like why am I killing so many humans? aren't we fighting demons?
The monster variety is just lacking. also, where the enemies show up in the campaign is just poor pacing, like im fighting giant sword wielding demons in act 2 and also fighting those same giant demons in act 6. I feel like d2 does this better.
The way the acts work are just bad, maybe instead of making me walk to the next act, just teleport me there, so the landscape changes drastically.
like i didn’t even notice the act 1 boss. I could not tell you its name. it’s not like you reach some special chamber, sometimes important bosses just pop out of nowhere, like duriel? wtf was that. in d2 you knew what boss you were going to run into at the end of the act. and you knew when you were getting close to that boss. it bulit tension in a much more organic way.
some things are unfixable in d4 without a redesign, the campaigns pacing is just horrid, kill for 2 secs, talk, then talk, then talk, go over there pick that up, put it here, talk, escort this person, like let me play the game! let me go out into some untamed wilderness and conquer evil. for focusing on the action side of ARPGs, d4's campaign sure pulls you out of the action quite often. The story is just so heavy handed in d4, d2 lets the gameplay speak for itself. The linear progression of d2's story, "you travel further and further from civilization, further and further into darkness" just suits the genre so much better in my opinion.
The morons arguing that the experience is different for each play through must have changed their language settings and rolled a different character every single time they opened the client. It’s like saying a 1/2 mile walk to school is vastly different every day because you see different cars on the road. Additionally, basically all blizzard games went to shit when EA bought the company. Of course nostalgia is always better we don’t remember the boring day just the exciting and awful things that left an impact.
Im still playing D2, on and off since it was released. What a great, very addictive game.
Still working on finishing that Holy Grail on OG D2:LOD. One day I'll have everything :) Still do anywhere from 2-20 runs a day, just depends on how I'm feeling.
Def most playtime of any game I've ever played. Even more than RS, TF2, Css/csgo
D2 will probably be the game I've played for the longest. I'm not sure if It'll have most hours, but in terms of playing it on and off, it has to be the longest-running one for me. Doing goofy shit like 4 summoner-necro and trying to crash each others' PC, or going full melee Necro lmao. I think the thing Diablo lost after 2 was the "A" in ARPG. 3 no longer felt like an immersive adventure. There's an NPC telling me what to do every 5 minutes, my character is outright saying his thoughts so often and bantering with your merc and shit. If I had to describe it any better, D1 and D2 made me feel like I'm the character as opposed to D3 and D4(beta) where I feel like I'm watching my character.
Diablo 2 in a nutshell: Baal runs, Mephisto runs, cow level runs. Thats it.
green hats !
Person who never played Diablo 2 doesn't understand what made Diablo 2 good. Some points Asmon makes here are good, and on some things he agrees with the video being watched. But most of his comments can be boiled down to that simple fact.
I like D4 but D2's itemization, progression feels better. There should be trading. That's a massive part of why D2 has lasted so long. Blizzard talks of open world and teamwork but D4 feels very much solo. D2 worked because teamwork was there if you wanted it and you could make a unique build even 20 years into the game
There is trading in D4. Some of the best gear are rares and those are tradable. People want to play D4 solo , as do most players but the option Is there.
There are no more " unique " builds in D2 , let's be real here lol. There's a lot more build variation in D4 due to aspects now , it's just not balanced therefore builds are a bit more limited. The same applied to early days of D2.
In D2 I always played with other players and it was always fun, in D4 mostly solo
As someone who's played Diablo 2 for 15 years of my life. Won #1 at tons of tournaments, I was considered the best NvN and 4v4 TeamPK Bone Nec for a long time. Alot of the Diablo II players are hating on Diablo 4, as someone who has more hours played than probably all of them combined I am absolutely hyped for Diablo 4. Yes there's a few concerning things about the game but I have high hopes for it. Diablo 2 is considered a timeless classic along with Starcraft1 and WC3, I hope Diablo 4 will be added to that list
I really hope it´s good, but this is not the same company that developed Diablo 2.
Blizzard isn't blizzard any more. Any hope you have is just that. Hope that they'll do the players right. They won't.
Props to you for being D2 gigachad, but having faith in modern Blizzard after all shit they've pulled lately is unwise
Hoping D4 to come close to D2s replayability is pure hopium. At most, the game will last 18 months before Actibliz guts it and replaces gameplay with gacha, social with sharding, and content with competition.
copium
36:54 he doesn’t get invited to events bc he’s a known cheater 😂
I grew up with Diablo 1, then had my whole teenager years playing D2, it was amazing. D3 was the most disappointing game in my life. I've played the early access of D4 so far and I can tell you this kid is delusional. Diablo 4 is a return to form and improved upon game. D4 is the true successor of D2.
Alcohol poisoning Drinking game idea : take a shot every time the dude says “Diablo 2 is the greatest game of all time.”
You’ll be pissing your pants before the 10 minute mark.
thought the same lol
kinda cringe how often he says it
When Diablo 2 first came out, there were like six of my friends and brothers waiting to play it on the one computer. Something called "the Six Hour" rule had to be implemented. "There's a thirty-six hour que, right now"
my friends and i did this same exact thing for a game called phantasy star universe, and we called it “shifts” 😂
The guy thinks that slightly different map layouts makes a completely new experience 😂😂
I know I'm late, but Asmon's comment about Starcraft not being a great esports game is absolutely insane.
I’m a D2 player and I find this hilarious, D2 is massively repetitive… 🤣
IMO after playing every class to 25 in the beta and getting a taste of it, as well as spending years playing every diablo game (1 was the first pc game I saved up to buy with my own money from mowing lawns in the summer... old af boi)... D4 seems like the best mix of all the previous diablo games. The dark and gritty atmosphere and vibe of the early ones, with the visceral more action packed and brutal combat from 3. I'm looking forward to it immensely. 👹
I really liked diablo 2, but as mentioned there was really only one game to play back then. I hated remaking a character and rushing through all 4/5 acts 3 times because I found an item that gave me +10 strength and now my amazon had 10 waisted points in strength.
@@zoeyf3471 yeah but they resolved that in the D2 remake. It really was remade perfectly.
@@zoeyf3471 Nah thats on you for caring way too much about 10 attr points
Jesus Christ you got all classes to 25 within 72 hours?
The reason was some pvp lobbies had level caps. So, if you did level 70-80 duels, you wanted whatever waisted points you had that could of went to more life, or stats for more damage. Before LOD it was cow level and PVP.
This Guy is the most tunnel visioned d2 content creator. I love d2 and d2r, but it doesnt hold up today. It needs a larger end game and the drop rate is insane. No body has time for this anymore. The gameplay is still good imo
Nah drop rate is perfect. The no end game is the only problem D2 has. Also D3 is complete garbage, they have already been conditioned..
@@gonwyte8534 It's not weak because there is no end game. What is the end game in d2? Doing the exact same thing you were already doing when going through the acts? Joining a baalrun and standing there afk while a bot or lvl 90+ pally clears it for you?
@@gonwyte8534 why are you comparing it to d3? The point here is to compare it to d4 and that d2 is somehow the greatest game ever.
We don’t event have the full extent of what d4 is. D4 will have uniques that I’m guessing will be a lot more rare than legendaries and it will have a lot of different things to do after you complete the campaign.
And I ask again what is the d2 “end game”? An end game cannot be the same shit you did while lvling, because then it’s not an end game.
@@gonwyte8534 alright but no one in this thread is talking about d3…
I don’t understand your point here. You can play any game for months after the “main stuff”. Pick any game, even d3 or WoW which are the main “villains” in this narrative.
Just because d2 have incredible low drop rates doesn’t mean it has months worth of end game…
@@gonwyte8534 no they don’t, I’m saying in this specific comment not the video.
Very specific idea of what an end game is?? I’m saying d2 has no end game and you say it does but you still haven’t said what this end game is? Are you kidding me lol.
If your idea of a fun end game is having crazy hard to get loot and that is the only thing you want it would be so damn easy to make a game. Just make any game with loot and just set the GG items on a super low drop rate
As a Gen-X player who remembers what it was like in the 90’s when new games came out… And what Blizzard ment for the gaming community.. I think some of the ”fans” today are so angry, critical and boring. Honestly.. They have decided to NEVER be completely satisfied. They ALWAYS complain about the pettiest little things. It must be a NIGHTMARE making games today.
Sure: MT’s, season passes and all that BS is something I also dislike and it made me stop playing for a long time, but I don’t agree with the fans stating that ”gaming is dead” and such.
In 1992, getting games like today was a dream. The voice acting today, story progression and character control..
We could only dream of getting anything like that in the 90’s.
Sure, people complained, but you guys have to understand; The mystery of game releases back then was a totally different thing. With no CZcams, where you could go and find every dungeon, easter egg and character build BEFORE you got the game, you had to explore the game YOURSELF.
There were game magazines you could buy, but most of the time you had to order them by mail.. At least in the early 90’s.
From 2000 and onwards, things became easier..but before that; You bought the game, played alone or with friends.
It is also impossible to demand to get the same experience with a game as a 40 y.o man with a job, family and life experience as when you were 12, living with your parents and you didn’t know sh* about storytelling and world building. Everything you played was a new experience.
Yes, there is money grabbing and greedy production companies.. Yes, some things today is worthy of criticism.. But gaming and great games are still being made. Just relax and enjoy the fact that there are still people willing to create stories for us to play.
As a diablo 2 player and fan i wouldn't touch Diablo 4 with a ten foot pole. We just know the difference between a good game made with passion and a predatory one, made to milk its loyal fans dry.
“That is less rewarding and is for the casual player base”
I’ve been playing Tier II solo and It’s been pretty damn rewarding imo, it’s also not casual friendly if you play on that tier; if you make a bad build and only put on gear because it has a higher gear score than what you had, and don’t really have affixes that compliment your build somehow, the game punishes you for it.
The thing that some people get wrong about diablo2, class choice, builds, how some things are OP and others feel weak AF, is that:
Diablo2 is like building a family. You start with a mommy and daddy (sorc and pally) and they pay the bills. You save up and start having kids (zon,sin,druid) but they get to live off their parents. Sometimes crazy uncle barb comes along, no one really likes him, he doesnt have a job, but somehow finds the best sh!t. Then there is grandpa necro with skelletons in his closet, but always tries to reinvent himself as a caster.
You dont pick a class in diablo2. You pick a starting class then branch out. Im fine with the imbalances in D2, everyone has something that no one else can do.
The real difficulty slider in D2 is, which starting class you choose at the beginning of every season. The real fun in D2 is making a build work that on paper simply shouldn't.
Personally im fine with that. But to people new to D2 I understand why this makes no sense :)
D2 builds in a nutshell are find 3-4 of the best rune words socket them, then find one skill you like and profit it's not that hard my dude d2 is very simple
@@dunkindognuts3345 there’s way more depth than that. maybe just beyond a casual understanding of D2 may have you believe that, but once you get into more advanced tech you will find there’s a lot of hidden depth
@@hotpancakes9814 like using the fade rune to buff? Sweet tech or we could look to d4 and see paragon levels and how legendaries alter actual play style on a scratch the surface overview, d2 was a classic but it's very dated and very simple it was designed to run on a microwave let's not pretend it's got depth
I loved Diablo 2, and didn't really like DIablo 3. The reason I like D2 better was that the items interacted in nonlinear ways. Increased attack speed had breakpoints, so you would target your build to hit a specific %increased attack speed exactly. Or you'd get exactly 75% resistances, because going over is wasted. There was the tradeoff of whether you get 75% physical damage resist, or lower, but increase the elemental resistance cap. You didn't have to be that optimal, but I got into PvP. And then low level dueling, and making weird PvE challenge builds that are only possible with a lot of knowledge of the game. I didn't play D3 for that long, because the complexity wasn't there. The damage/resistance formulas were set up so that you would pretty much max out a formula to get the most DPS and effective HP. I disliked the always online single player aspect, the auction house, the way vendor RNG worked(you could cycle the RNG to get a good roll and buy a TON of that same item -- you'd see 20 of the same exact blue item in the auction house, which is MUCH better that anything you have, because someone got an insanely good vendor roll (and probably spent hours cycling it to do so, instead of actually farming drops, and bought a boatload of them) I stopped playing before they added the paragon levels and all that, so I can't say if they fixed things since then. I just lost interest.
D2 was good. D3 sucked
You can make custom gear like chains of honor or enigma, in D2. Enigma adding teleport to a non sorc class was huge
the classic andys with rose tinted glasses so thick they cant see anymore. Even if they took them off it wouldnt matter. They were blinded by nostalgia years ago. These people treat L4D2 and D2 like its a religion.
Diablo 4 isn't open world because of windy caves with barriers.... yet you can do Act 1-3 in any order... man half his info is mistaken, or out right wrong
I honestly hope to see more of this from this guy, dudes an absolute nut case lol
He's been around for a while but his content was always mid at best.
@@Stavroization Yeah theres a reason Xtimus isnt really respected or taken seriously AND why hes not partnered. its not because hes edgy and underground and saying the shit that no one else is willing to say, its because hes confidently wrong and has terrible takes.
@@cameronharvey4746 he sounds like Diablo version of MetaGoblin.
There are many, many games that are better than Diablo 2 lol - shit is super dated
@@cameronharvey4746 "confidently wrong" is a perfect descriptor
I play diablo to play with family members, diablo 4 is a good game to me (so far) because while there's builds and such you also have to pay attention to survive and not die, you have to do actions in a correct order for those builds to survive the harder dungeon areas. In contrast no matter what character I picked I wouldn't die in diablo 3, the hardest difficulty, I'm dealing essentially .05% health as damage, but I couldn't die. While I've never played diablo 2, my uncle who had last played diablo 2 and tried to treat diablo 3 as diablo 2 kept dying because he exclusively used "spin to win" as his strategy, and I can't help but think that diablo 2 must not have been that hard if that was an end ge build that worked.
Spin to win is still really good on multiple classes (barb, monk, demon hunter) so I think your uncle just didn't have a good build xD
@@etrosknight2254 what I ment by spin to win exclusively is that he'd hold down whirlwind after getting enough rage. It didn't work out in diablo 3, but that same strategy worked in diablo 2. I have no issue with a spin to win build being good, as long as there are requirements for it to be good such as stacking buffs and other abilities and only being good in holds with it quickly dying off if enemies are not quickly hit.
And yes I knew there were good spin to win builds, I preferred keeping that uncle alive with my 30 minion necromancer build.
Leveling and the item progression in D2 was a lot more fun to me than in D4. You had these certain checkpoints and meaningful upgrades in D2, while in D4 every Item you get feels the same, with some minor differences in the stats.
@@wsak5991 I, too, have come to feel that feeling of everything feeling the same, and I do wish that the progression felt more impactful towards the end levels as you only get a VERY small boost after you pick your attacks and the couple strong passives.
You cant make a valid contribution unless you played Diablo 2 back in the day. D3 versus D2 is 100% garbage, if D4 isnt a way back to D2 days, I wont be buying it
If this is what being a Diablo 2 player is like then I’m glad I only ever played it casually. I’m surprised Asmongold was very patient with this guy just based on his choice of words and how he makes his arguments.
@@mickpratt8327 I’m sure there are other Diablo 2 content creators who can better articulate their points without making odd blanket statements with no proper sources like this guy. His editing and production quality are good but he just sounded very opinionated and couldn’t properly back up his arguments.
Can't wait to revisit this 3-6months after release too see how well it ages
I am a diehard, hardcore Diablo 2 fanboy. Have played it for 20 years straight with no real breaks. This guy doesn’t speak for all of us. I like the feel of Diablo 4 and will be playing it a lot. They nailed the atmosphere in a big way.
@thebanned2807 I remember my buddy getting a set of whites from a random, thinking he was a badass only to get 1 shotted in every match.
Bruh that guy is using rng to generate the statistics he's quoting. 98% of the player base of any game can't agree on any issue
The fundamental issue with the hardcore D2 fans is that they wanted D3 and D4 to just be Diablo 2. Resurrected was exactly what they wanted and we still aren’t happy. I am happy that Diablo 4 is different. At least they tried something new.
Appreciate the critical analysis! To add some clarity: As of this post Diablo Partners are not directly compensated by Blizzard for posting positive video reviews of the game. As Asmongold says, many of the partners are some of the most critical of the game. Diablo Partners are simply content creators that have dedicated their channels to Diablo content and the partnership is meant to give them a direct line to the devs to share said feedback from them and their communities. Thanks for the video!
Appreciate what you do for the D2R and Diablo community! I agree that most of the better known CZcamsrs and Streamers that focus on Diablo (Diablo Partners) are the most critical in providing feedback for the game (especially with the D4 betas). I hope what you say about the Diablo Partners is true so that Diablo 4 can evolve and grow with community feedback.
appreciate your content!
Hell yeah brother hey lucky! I was a little perturbed at that bit too. Implying the creators are all paid to blindly shill show that he isn't paying attention. You and Mac and many others are 100% the most critical, and call them out when you think changes are bad.
Xtimas made had some impressively bad takes here. He's right about a fair amount, but comes across as hella bitter and elitist.
@@hotpancakes9814 appreciate you!
Something I can give D2 is the pvp was a lot of fun. That’s what made grinding worth it, trying to make a pvp character that could compete. That’s what made d3 become boring is the lack of pvp. After a while the grind seems pointless. Getting a level higher greater rift is nowhere near as rewarding as being a top dog pvper
The biggest complaint from me as a D2/D2 Resurrected fan is that Diablo 4 is fundamentally a different game in the most obvious way: its an open world map game with equal level scaling. That took so much away from the linear gameplay experience to the main campaign by letting players explore the entire map before completing the main story, just to get nothing truly rewarding due to the level scaling. The Acts in D4 are basically "go over here and do this in that dungeon, ok now that dungeon" over and over across the map.
You can definitely grind and get repetitive with D2 but as with even D3, you didn't have to "beat the game" that only makes up 30% of the whole game to access the rest of it to enjoy mid perks and items.
D2 had toxic farming communities with hackers that auto picked every decent item. That turned into items for sale instead of play.
I just started playing Diablo in January... made it through D2 on Hell on 3 characters, Platinumed D3... D3 was definitely more user friendly, D2 was for the sweats... being a LvL 80 Sorc who's been using a lvl 55 Stealth chest since 55? That's real gaming boys
Diablo 2 is the best game for sure
I never played D2 until the remaster. In my personal experience with D2R, I just downright didn't find it fun. It really is mostly nostaligia, and some people can never admit that.
4 is actually my favorite and thats coming from someone thats been playing since part1
I'm a massive Diablo fan. I've played every single game they're released for tens of thousands of hours and it's my go-to after work relaxation. I tend to have a Diablo-related stream open on my second monitor most times, like Llama, or someone else. I've put far too much time for what would be considered 'healthy' into the Diablo franchise.
I saw this guy, and I went "Literally... Who?" Now we all know why.
The dude has been around for years. Like him or not, that's a fact. For a long time we didn't have many D2 content creators so if you ever looked up D2 content you would have heard of him.
D2 wasn't that random. I often could guess layout to the point that some people in my party thought I had maphack.
I love how he made this video bashing Diablo 4 before Diablo 4 even came out... The level of ignorance is astronomical.... And Diablo 4 turned out to be head and shoulders above any other Diablo game imo..
"D4 is repetitive"
*proceeds to reset tower until they get enigma.*