Played a lot of Paladin (mainly Holy) in classic and tbc. I already came up with my particular build for Official HC. 12 in Ret for Pursuit, parry, etc. 5/5 Redoubt because Redoubt is godly with a shield, 11 in Holy for Consecration (mana/healing talents), then Prot up to Sanctuary. I may move along like 10% slower than Ret (keep in mind we got AoE for multimobs, and defensives) but I can do anything.
I've sort of landed on this build as I go. Don't feel like I'm killing too slowing questing / open world, and love the versatility of easy tanking and healing in dungeons.
I eventually played int / stam paladin back in 2022. (Ret dream died after similar 50 second fight with scoprian in dessert) That dumb sword! So good bc fast hahaha Although i would say the fist of stone from Uldaman is better for me. Honestly seal of light only works with lifestealing enchancts and skullflame haha. Seal of wisdom was the way to go for me
Hey man, very nice guide! You earned a subscriber :) I wanted to ask if I want to start building towards the lvl 30 aoe build, should I start from the holy tree or prot?
loved the video but can you do a showcase? I watched the entire thing and still dont understand the leveling rotation since you say both that SoR rank 3, SoL and SoW is used. What is a 30+ rotation? And a 42+ rotation? Thanks
Love your stuff Pallytime! Question: What about Blaze Enchant (from quest in Badlands) on your Knightly Longsword for AoE leveling? Or lifesteal better?
What’s your opinion on strength/intellect build for SoD?? With seal of marytrdom I’m not having mana problems so I picked the holy strength talents. I’m level 20 now with talent points in holy into consecration and thinking of either picking improved blessing of might or the 10% intellect for my last 5 talent points.
Hey man, I love the videos keep it up your ramble and gets me laughing either way though. Good information quick question I noticed you have life steel on your main weapons on your 60 is life still better than crusader or is crusader better?
Hey there, friend. Would you recommend sword and board with Stam/Int from the get-go using a Knightly Longsword to 60 and the rotation mentioned? Should I just got for the Holy tree and send it until 60 or look for buffs to Consecration and Seals, or?
I have a video on this somewhere. TLDR is that you go 11/10/0 = level 30 Then 11/21/0 = 41 From there you have 3 options / can do whatever you like. You put more point in PROT... or HOLY... or RET for the cheaper seals and 5% parry.
What is the spell power coefficients for the judgement of seal of righteousness? Max rank and rank 3. Are they the same? Is it worth it to judge max rank then swap back to rank 3 for the auto attacks? Or is it better to just use rank 3 and judge with rank 3? With judgement, I was under the impression it is based off of your melee hit and spell crit, does that seem right?
Bro I noticed this the day or 2 after he ended up hiding all his videos. I was shook. I would watch his classic class guides all the time for the sake of nostalgia…I hope to see his videos again one day soon.
I also didn't get hand of rag. But since the 4th reset of MC back in 2019 ive had an Eye of Sulfuras.... My guild made it for a arms war that quit 3 weeks after making the hammer.
Thx for all the great info, playing pala for the 1st time. I’m trying to (fun) lvl and take my time, but I’m having a tuff time balancing questing and healing dungeon grind while maintaining the same build. Like a hybrid for both, until I reach max lvl then I’ll switch to full time healer. If anyone has any tips I’d love to know more.
Go the Stam / Int Paladin or Stam / Spirt Paladin Route. One can do it all... the other is a bit more specialized but can do everything except Heal in Dungeons.
Great video!! I’m curious though, how would you adapt this to hardcore leveling where you don’t have access to the AH? Would it be dead in the water, significantly more difficult, moderately difficult or easy to navigate around?
At around the 16:30 mark you mention that armor is the priority for shields. Would this be applicable to other gear as well? Say if I found "of the eagle" leather boots, would I take those over mail boots with lesser stats? Can't remember if you also mention this in the vid. Just wondering if +5 more stam/int on a leather piece would be worth the 50-100 armor hit at ~lvl 30.
Shield armor in FULL plate mail is +60% armor. In Mail it would be +120% Armor. What I am trying to say is that your Shields Armor is the lions share of your ARMOR on you character. So you can use leather / mail gear rather than plate but you NEED a good, high armor shield. Sense it is the biggest source of armor.
So there are a few other 1.5 speed swords: Lord Blackwoods Blade and Blade of Necromancy both from Scholo, Hanzo Sword, and i guess Hungering Cold. Blackwoods has 15 stamina but its from a Scourge Invasion boss so RIP, Hungering Cold LOL, but Blade of Necromancy is 4 stam and 1% spell crit. If you cant afford/find a Flurry Axe, are the raw stat bonuses on Knightly Longsword better than the spell crit of Blade of Necromancy?
As a prot pally tank in hc wow (death=delete), do you have any tips for tanking bosses that have aggro reset? specifically talking about Butcher boss in scholo and last boss in LBRS. The only thing i have come up with is going deep holy/prot and using divine favor for guaranteed crit on holy shock as a pseudo taunt, but im not sure going deep holy is even viable in hardcore.
General Drakasath or whatever also comes to mind... Hmmm... I use to have a trick let me try to recall... 9/10 the BEST thing to do is for you to tank it until the agro reset, NOT using Consecration as it uses up to much mana, and when the reset happens you have a Druid or Warrior tank it and YOU become a healer. Prot tanks HEAL almost as well as well as deep holy at that point, same gear, same talents. With two healers I have seen rogues tank that boss, your healing + Holy Agro buff WILL cause you to get agro back at some point + Excorsim and all that stuff. For Drak (Final Boss UBRS) I would heal from the start of the fight with the agro buff on and when tanks lost agro he would be on me... which is fine.
Basically if they have agro rests = Don't tank, heal instead. Double healers trivializes a LOT of fights in Classic WoW, Drak is the only one I can think of where it won't be trivial but that's a 10 man soo...
Not at all. You grind way faster with a Warlock as Paladin. Best duo aoe grinder is definitely double mage though. Nothing tops double mage properly using tempo cooldowns.
So I feel like I prioritized my gear wrong. Should I have a bit lower armor for more stam/Intellect? I was focusing more on armor and now I feel that was a bad mistake
As long as its mail stam / int you are usually fine. Armor be like 200 for plate = 100 for mail = 50 for Leather = 25 for Cloth. More Armor > Than more stats unless the item is REALLY out of date or its Blue Leather. For Hard Core more stats > as long as your shield is up to date. In truth their is a LOT of leeway in the gearing here. You can be in all leather and a Blue up to date shield and be good. Out of date Mail with up to date shield is fine. You are WAY tankier than you really need to be most of the time anyways unless you doing something crazy. Just take the warning signs seriously. If you get in trouble and had to use Bubble and such to live = You are screwing up somehow either in gear or crazy. But that's Hard Core.
Hope he brings back his videos soon enough :) so much love he has. for the game and community idk why he did that over some drama youtuber really. also good video broo ^^ keep it up if you can :)
@@Mati-mk5wd and alex made commenting imposssible on all his videos. Bro in america everything takes money. Without him without true love it is just outdated missmanaged game
Y’all all lost souls. People been selling guides since the conception of wow. He’s greedy for creating a product and selling it? Get outside and do something with your lives. Bunch of drones 😂😂😂
I am sure you know by now, but he didn't get hacked. He took them all down. Major behind the scene scandals and issues with Classic Hardcore came up. He was caught up in some heat and decided to move on. He took down all his videos, left RestedXP and Apex, and moved on with his life.
18.666% or 20% spell power ratio for Rank 3 SoR 1 handed (hard to tell which) Everything else is 10-12% per Rank. NO ONE really has spell power leveling until BRD at level 54ish. I wouldn't value it super high. Best gear in game = 300-350 Spell Power. (but that's PvP)
@@pallytime2156 yeah i won't find alot of spellpower on a freshserver. But right now on classic era i got enough gold to to lvl a (twink paladin, not for bg's but just buying the best gear that is available for my lvl) and i was wondering if spellpower if available was worth taking or if you would rather suggest to just take lifestealing and invest in stamina/intel gear. Thanks for replying so quickly
I was just thinking Life Steal > Spell Power on Knightly or Flurry axe for sure. Every Enchant is about = in performance for us. Life Steal just CHEEP and effective with 6.66PPM x2 SoR (1 proc per 4.5s swing time). If you got the gold, test out crusader fast 1 hander. No one really knows how it works. We all just life steal. Maybe a furry war knows.@@TulsaGaming
Just running through some theory crafting too, have you tested how the co-efficient of rank 3 works with the 15% increase from 5/5 improved seal of righteousness? Or would it be too much of a sacrifice of talent points if overall damage is not increased.
The +15% from SoR talents affect ONLY the base damage of the seal, not the spell power behind it. So for Rank 3 it would be +15% for 6 damage on a flurry axe. 1 handed mastery near bot of Prot tree is the odd ball. It's written that it should add +10% 1 hander damage but it really should say is "Most damage you do while using a 1 hander is increased by 10%" So you consecrations = +10%, your Judgements, SoR... stuff like that. Also I just tested it... SoR rank 3 has an 18.666% spell power ratio. I just made a vid but have to sleep on the subject. Rank 3 two hander is still 20% though. I searched some old dueling video photage I had and its just been me being wrong this whole time lol.
@@TimangiFanClub yeah I just asked minno... apparently both the 1 hander and 2 hander specializations increase Seal and judgement damage... not sure about consecration or anything else like oils
@@pallytime2156 Not sure in what universe it would be done, but could the (negligible) Imp SOR talent interact with it? And any other outside sources like engineering? I imagine pursuing these talents for a slight dps increase would actually just be a gimp to the class, but interesting to see how damage can be ramped up anyway.
Uh... Skullflame shield has 100% spell power ratio on the life steal, but no ration on the AoE fire. Its considered the BiS AoE farming shield, along side Deamonforged Armor which has 60% ratio
I sucks. Very low proc rate. Flurry axe is 7.5% x2 with SoR and the procs can proc procs just like Ironfoe. I hit a shaman one time for 7 procs 1 hit was kinda funny.
This is a case of Less Damage is More. 🤔 seems legit. Edit: Found quirks like this before. For a time during Kara there was some mage 30,30 build where scorch spam beat using fireball. Lag casting & fireball burn damage overwrite tilted to scorch.
What you are discribing should be impossible if you know where to go to FARM. There are 2 Farming Methods... 1 is to gather 4-5 mobs using Rank 1 Consecration as you run around to gather them. The other is to pull 3 mobs in and burn them down... then another 3 mobs and burn them down after a short drink. Why? it only takes about 2/3 of your mana to kill 3 mobs... so you drink back up to 2/3 really fast and do it again then drink to full rinse and repeat.
@@pallytime2156 okay so I guess 2h deep ret or 2h reck is only good for pvp while leveling if there is a lot of world pvp going on ? Then what for AOE, I gather mobs with rank 1 conc then once I got mobs together I use max rank until they die ? + mana seal and judgement to not go oom.
Lol? Look up any "Paladin vs X class PvP guide" and its me and only me making vids. TLDR is Heal yourself and you can outlast almost any other class while leveling. Super Easy. SoW is for AoE Farming SoR is for Single target SoR3 is for when you are low level have good spell power, OR have a really FAST 1 Hander. SoR5+ is best used for slower 1 Handers later on. Always check to see which SoR is doing more for you SoR3 or your Highest current Rank. Even do this in Naxx gear honestly.
@@pallytime2156 ok ok will do thanks for the reply, just found your channel and have been enjoying your videos. Ret was feeling clunky at 45 and this knightly sword build is super fun. I am mostly dueling my buddy who is a pretty skilled feral druid and I watched your guide and you said "just equip a shield and you can kill like 3 druids in a row" lol. With my ret build he was still beating me so now im gonna try this AoE build. Im only lvl 46 so I am mostly wondering if I should: Use knightly even in duels with SoR3 OR use a stronger sword like vanquisher's with higher rank SoR. Guess I will test out the dps for myself but thanks for the tips!
It increases the base damage by 15% but not any of the bonus damage from spell power. In theory it gets viable while level past level 34... with a 2 hander where you are using higher ranks of SoR... but it ends up being an opportunity cost issue for your talents. All that said... its STILL garbage. Level 60, no spell power... rank 8 SoR base damage is +24 DPS... and we are talking about increasing that by 15% for 5 talents.
VERY easy to out heal them when level with Stam / Int build... kinda silly actually as long as you know to Freedom and RUN when counterspell is avalible.
I know this is for classic era but what about Wrath pally? When I try to find any good info on AoE farming in wrath is all the same people giving info I can find on Icy Veins aka The times square of advertising.
Wait classic fresh is coming out? When is that happening? I hope you're not talking about hardcore cuz I have no interest in that haha. Plus, I hope you do make more regular guides because you are the og paladin to me when I first started playing classic!
Good luck with aoe grinding on a pvp server. 45+ is going to be tough. The world is full of horde and you will need to defend yourself. This build will be great on a pve server though. GL
@@pallytime2156 I meant from level 45 and up, aoe grinding will be tough with all the horde around in the world with pvp going on. But if you're talking about "fresh" server like a private server, then sure.. if you're ahead of the pack that is. Plus all the competition of mage aoe spots. Still great to do tho and tons of fun. Doing this on classic Era will be tough with the amount of players in the world, not a bad thing though hehe.
Ok looked it up, and ranks 1 and 2 have 15% spell damage scaling rank 3 have 20%. Then when you look at rank 4, it only has a 10% spell damage scaling. It wasn't obvious in the video why rank 3 was preferred.
@@johanlahti84 I say it so often that I just get tired of repeating myself. Those numbers are off a bit. For 1 handers Its 13% for 1 and 2... 18.666% for Rank 3... and 10% for the rest. 2 hander is closer to what you are saying with 15%... than 20% for Rank 3... than back to 15% for the rest. The actual numbers VERY quickly become not important because whatever weapon you are using either Rank 3 or Rank 8 will be best. 2 Handers always use rank 8 while fast 1 handers use rank 3... and slow 1 handers use Rank 3 or 8 depending on mana supply. For example my 2.5s wep Rank 3 and 8 do about the same damage but Rank 8 will do 100 more damage in the judgement.
appreciate your guides bro, but why no gameplay? I wanna see the actual leveling in action! at least one pull! I'm still confused, im a visual learner!
isnt sp and mp5 more important than intellect? i dont really see a reason to have a bunch of intellect as prot pala since ur mana just depends on your SoW procs and ur not ending a fight with full mana either way
You can see my more recent vis for that but the TLDR is that you need all but 4-5 pieces of gear to be Stam / Int gear in order to do a 4-5 mob pull even with the Judgement mana pull back. Its like 70s of combat time... 9 consecrations... 500 mana spent on seals to get 1600 mana back in that time... 2k with other factors like parry haste, reckoning, spirt ticks... Need about 3k mana bar at level 47 = TLDR You will have 3.9k with FULL stam / int gear. Drinking at 45 gives 97 mana per second so recovery time after 5 mob pull will be about 20s Spirt gear and MP5 don't make a DENT this as you can't really out compete 97 mana a second. The bonus mana just lets you handle 6 mobs rather than 5 (theoretically if you could get them) But that's why its almost ALL stam / Int with 4-5 peices Stam / Spirt
I swear I'm following this guide to the letter but I'm not doing very much damage and I don't seem to have much health. I'm level 26 using a 1.8 sword and a defense shield
i havent watched the whole video but if u didn't know why kargoz deleted most of his videos, it was most likely because of the drama that was happening at the time with restedxp and alexsensual exposing him. This is the video about it czcams.com/video/HGe0Eg7JvkY/video.html .
I believe Kargoz deleted all his videos, except the christmas special, because he got called out for doing something unethical. Something like exploiting the HC community to make money with his company. And when he got busted he admitted it, realized his carrier was over, and deleted everything. I dont know all the details but if you wanna look into it I think there are videos about it on youtube.
Make a warrior oneaswell think he probably has legal issues with the alex sensual stuff, hes just trying to cover himself to stop any type of legal action
The reason why kargoz deleted his channel is because there was some minor drama between him and alexensual and from what i heard kargoz got some nasty messages and since he has a family he just dipped out. (Also it is rumored that kargoz was already in process of distancing himself from the wow community because his family got a lot of harrasment from hc griefers because of him being partially responsible for blizzard banning griefers in hardcore.)
You know, he sits there and talks about the build without actually showcasing it at 35 for a reason. I tried this strategy at 33, it's boring, it's slow, and it's not worth respeccing for. Just stick with 2 handers and go down the ret tree.
Ehm Kargoz got the jackpot with al the zombies buying shit for wow. Lvling guides and other things. He got a lot of shit about that. So the best thing is to fade out
how did he get his ass kicked again? because he tried to make money by selling a levelign guide? cmon. u guys acting like all his love was fake. i wont take that. that guy put more love and energy into wow and the community then most. hope he brings back soon :)
He didnt get hacked, he set himself up to get money from wow hardcore via his premium feature in his addon and now that the monetization of cheat based hardcore progression is over and you scumbags are busy cheating your way around the challenge he is gone!
Dude these guides are top notch. Appreciated the content.
thanks so much for a comprehensive guide. i love playing a prot pally but i'm not very good and this is a great refresher for hardcore.
this channel is gold... I was going to level boring old ret but this gives me hope to try stam/int holy/prot build.
i did holy prot levelling in the past and its so much fun
Great video! Definitely learning a lot!
Played a lot of Paladin (mainly Holy) in classic and tbc. I already came up with my particular build for Official HC. 12 in Ret for Pursuit, parry, etc. 5/5 Redoubt because Redoubt is godly with a shield, 11 in Holy for Consecration (mana/healing talents), then Prot up to Sanctuary. I may move along like 10% slower than Ret (keep in mind we got AoE for multimobs, and defensives) but I can do anything.
So you don’t end up getting holy shield in prot??
I've sort of landed on this build as I go. Don't feel like I'm killing too slowing questing / open world, and love the versatility of easy tanking and healing in dungeons.
@@squantizzy3367too mana inefficient, it's not needed at all
Thanks a lot. Your guides are very helpful.
I love how you preface each video by saying you'd like to keep the video as short as possible and then it winds up being 50min hahaha. Great guide!
i like how he enjoyed every sip of that drink xD stay hydrated my brother
I started playing wow in late tbc, and i unironically rocked a int stamp prot pally through cata.
I eventually played int / stam paladin back in 2022. (Ret dream died after similar 50 second fight with scoprian in dessert) That dumb sword! So good bc fast hahaha Although i would say the fist of stone from Uldaman is better for me. Honestly seal of light only works with lifestealing enchancts and skullflame haha. Seal of wisdom was the way to go for me
Today I learned something new :D To think that some random lvl 33 green sword is THAT good for a sweet ol' paladin is crazy! Great guide.
Hey man, very nice guide! You earned a subscriber :) I wanted to ask if I want to start building towards the lvl 30 aoe build, should I start from the holy tree or prot?
This guide is so stupidly good, its hilarious!
loved the video but can you do a showcase? I watched the entire thing and still dont understand the leveling rotation since you say both that SoR rank 3, SoL and SoW is used. What is a 30+ rotation? And a 42+ rotation? Thanks
Love your stuff Pallytime!
Question:
What about Blaze Enchant (from quest in Badlands) on your Knightly Longsword for AoE leveling? Or lifesteal better?
Enchants for leveling? No idea. The BEST thing about Knightly longsword for AoE is that it doesn't kill things fast. So make of that what you will.
You have such a good attitude/energy brother. very good video.👍
Great one mate helped out alot !
What’s your opinion on strength/intellect build for SoD?? With seal of marytrdom I’m not having mana problems so I picked the holy strength talents. I’m level 20 now with talent points in holy into consecration and thinking of either picking improved blessing of might or the 10% intellect for my last 5 talent points.
Hey man, I love the videos keep it up your ramble and gets me laughing either way though. Good information quick question I noticed you have life steel on your main weapons on your 60 is life still better than crusader or is crusader better?
Hey there, friend. Would you recommend sword and board with Stam/Int from the get-go using a Knightly Longsword to 60 and the rotation mentioned? Should I just got for the Holy tree and send it until 60 or look for buffs to Consecration and Seals, or?
I have a video on this somewhere.
TLDR is that you go 11/10/0 = level 30
Then 11/21/0 = 41
From there you have 3 options / can do whatever you like.
You put more point in PROT... or HOLY... or RET for the cheaper seals and 5% parry.
What is the spell power coefficients for the judgement of seal of righteousness? Max rank and rank 3. Are they the same? Is it worth it to judge max rank then swap back to rank 3 for the auto attacks? Or is it better to just use rank 3 and judge with rank 3?
With judgement, I was under the impression it is based off of your melee hit and spell crit, does that seem right?
Bro I noticed this the day or 2 after he ended up hiding all his videos. I was shook. I would watch his classic class guides all the time for the sake of nostalgia…I hope to see his videos again one day soon.
I hear that.
and so did alex... disabled comment
It is because of all the hardcore addon/community/restedxp controversy that's going on and how they just wanted to milk people for the addon.
so surprised zoomers play classic wow
literally same, alex ruins everything
weren't the slides from his videos available some where seperately?
I also didn't get hand of rag. But since the 4th reset of MC back in 2019 ive had an Eye of Sulfuras.... My guild made it for a arms war that quit 3 weeks after making the hammer.
What rank judgement of crusader are we recommended to use?
Thx for all the great info, playing pala for the 1st time. I’m trying to (fun) lvl and take my time, but I’m having a tuff time balancing questing and healing dungeon grind while maintaining the same build. Like a hybrid for both, until I reach max lvl then I’ll switch to full time healer.
If anyone has any tips I’d love to know more.
Go the Stam / Int Paladin or Stam / Spirt Paladin Route.
One can do it all... the other is a bit more specialized but can do everything except Heal in Dungeons.
@@pallytime2156 awesome thx, going with your advise on the fast sword, its working great for questing.
So 1hand and shield viable from lvl 1 or after lvl 30?
Bro I love your videos
Bro is in the dark on the Kargoz drama 😂
Bro! Thanks for the vid. I noticed your talents - are we not getting improved SoR? It doesn't stack or? 15% seems nice
Imp SoR increases the BASE damage of SoR by 15% not any of the Spell Power stuff.
Base damage is like... 10 rank 3 at level 60... 1.5s wep.
Great video!! I’m curious though, how would you adapt this to hardcore leveling where you don’t have access to the AH? Would it be dead in the water, significantly more difficult, moderately difficult or easy to navigate around?
No AH I assume also means no Trading I take it? Use Leather Stam / Int with Shield. Works MUCH better than other options.
@@pallytime2156 yeah no trading or anything. Thanks!
At around the 16:30 mark you mention that armor is the priority for shields. Would this be applicable to other gear as well? Say if I found "of the eagle" leather boots, would I take those over mail boots with lesser stats? Can't remember if you also mention this in the vid. Just wondering if +5 more stam/int on a leather piece would be worth the 50-100 armor hit at ~lvl 30.
Shield armor in FULL plate mail is +60% armor.
In Mail it would be +120% Armor.
What I am trying to say is that your Shields Armor is the lions share of your ARMOR on you character.
So you can use leather / mail gear rather than plate but you NEED a good, high armor shield. Sense it is the biggest source of armor.
@@pallytime2156 Good stuff, thanks man!
So there are a few other 1.5 speed swords: Lord Blackwoods Blade and Blade of Necromancy both from Scholo, Hanzo Sword, and i guess Hungering Cold. Blackwoods has 15 stamina but its from a Scourge Invasion boss so RIP, Hungering Cold LOL, but Blade of Necromancy is 4 stam and 1% spell crit. If you cant afford/find a Flurry Axe, are the raw stat bonuses on Knightly Longsword better than the spell crit of Blade of Necromancy?
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As a prot pally tank in hc wow (death=delete), do you have any tips for tanking bosses that have aggro reset? specifically talking about Butcher boss in scholo and last boss in LBRS. The only thing i have come up with is going deep holy/prot and using divine favor for guaranteed crit on holy shock as a pseudo taunt, but im not sure going deep holy is even viable in hardcore.
General Drakasath or whatever also comes to mind... Hmmm... I use to have a trick let me try to recall...
9/10 the BEST thing to do is for you to tank it until the agro reset, NOT using Consecration as it uses up to much mana, and when the reset happens you have a Druid or Warrior tank it and YOU become a healer. Prot tanks HEAL almost as well as well as deep holy at that point, same gear, same talents.
With two healers I have seen rogues tank that boss, your healing + Holy Agro buff WILL cause you to get agro back at some point + Excorsim and all that stuff.
For Drak (Final Boss UBRS) I would heal from the start of the fight with the agro buff on and when tanks lost agro he would be on me... which is fine.
Basically if they have agro rests = Don't tank, heal instead. Double healers trivializes a LOT of fights in Classic WoW, Drak is the only one I can think of where it won't be trivial but that's a 10 man soo...
22:22 quick question, why do you go anticipation if you say you like being crit as a paladin, would toughness be better for this build?
I though you got more out of it at the lower levels... but apparently you don't
Your latency is like 1,000,000. Sheesh. Great video!
Always have a druid in your party with improved thorns. It boost ypur dps insanely and is the best duo aoe grinders
Not at all. You grind way faster with a Warlock as Paladin. Best duo aoe grinder is definitely double mage though. Nothing tops double mage properly using tempo cooldowns.
So I feel like I prioritized my gear wrong. Should I have a bit lower armor for more stam/Intellect? I was focusing more on armor and now I feel that was a bad mistake
As long as its mail stam / int you are usually fine. Armor be like 200 for plate = 100 for mail = 50 for Leather = 25 for Cloth.
More Armor > Than more stats unless the item is REALLY out of date or its Blue Leather.
For Hard Core more stats > as long as your shield is up to date.
In truth their is a LOT of leeway in the gearing here. You can be in all leather and a Blue up to date shield and be good. Out of date Mail with up to date shield is fine.
You are WAY tankier than you really need to be most of the time anyways unless you doing something crazy.
Just take the warning signs seriously. If you get in trouble and had to use Bubble and such to live = You are screwing up somehow either in gear or crazy. But that's Hard Core.
Hope he brings back his videos soon enough :) so much love he has. for the game and community idk why he did that over some drama youtuber really. also good video broo ^^ keep it up if you can :)
he hide because he got caught lol
@@Mati-mk5wd and alex made commenting imposssible on all his videos. Bro in america everything takes money. Without him without true love it is just outdated missmanaged game
@@Dualities its the thing he has done solely for the sake of more people buying the guide like adding certain rules, its not morally correct imo.
He is greedy.
Y’all all lost souls. People been selling guides since the conception of wow. He’s greedy for creating a product and selling it? Get outside and do something with your lives. Bunch of drones 😂😂😂
I am sure you know by now, but he didn't get hacked. He took them all down. Major behind the scene scandals and issues with Classic Hardcore came up. He was caught up in some heat and decided to move on. He took down all his videos, left RestedXP and Apex, and moved on with his life.
what is the ideal weapon enchant for your knightly sword / flurry axe ? i was thinking life stealing ?
I use Life Stealing... they are all good but it really depends on what you are using it for. Mathmaticaly if using SoR Life Steal is really good.
Ok you need to make a writen guide to this!
Hey pallytime! Is spellpower also huge for this build? Like engineering goggles/ 1h weapon enchant? Or is it not worth it?
18.666% or 20% spell power ratio for Rank 3 SoR 1 handed (hard to tell which) Everything else is 10-12% per Rank.
NO ONE really has spell power leveling until BRD at level 54ish.
I wouldn't value it super high.
Best gear in game = 300-350 Spell Power. (but that's PvP)
Care calculating DPS gains as magic damage ignores armor so 10 magic DPS = 18 physical DPS
@@pallytime2156 yeah i won't find alot of spellpower on a freshserver. But right now on classic era i got enough gold to to lvl a (twink paladin, not for bg's but just buying the best gear that is available for my lvl) and i was wondering if spellpower if available was worth taking or if you would rather suggest to just take lifestealing and invest in stamina/intel gear. Thanks for replying so quickly
I was just thinking Life Steal > Spell Power on Knightly or Flurry axe for sure. Every Enchant is about = in performance for us. Life Steal just CHEEP and effective with 6.66PPM x2 SoR (1 proc per 4.5s swing time).
If you got the gold, test out crusader fast 1 hander. No one really knows how it works. We all just life steal. Maybe a furry war knows.@@TulsaGaming
Any good sets with a high fun stat ?
Just out of curiosity, which tree do you recommend going into first, like lvl 10-30
I have guides... 1-20 Guide 20-30... so on...
TLDR = Holy... Get consecration then all in Prot... so 11/X/0
So Ironfoe mace is not any good for Paladin ?
Should I open with seal of the crusader>judge then start using righteousness? Or is the extra SP not worth it?
I have a rotation video but yes.
@@pallytime2156 what is the title of the video? Having trouble locating it
Stam / Int Paladin Rotation@@adamcooper2242
Stam/int/knightly longsword. This is the way.
Thank for the training class, when do I get my Pro Pala Certificate 😂
I don't even have one of those. Maybe I will be one 10 years from now.
Just running through some theory crafting too, have you tested how the co-efficient of rank 3 works with the 15% increase from 5/5 improved seal of righteousness? Or would it be too much of a sacrifice of talent points if overall damage is not increased.
The +15% from SoR talents affect ONLY the base damage of the seal, not the spell power behind it. So for Rank 3 it would be +15% for 6 damage on a flurry axe.
1 handed mastery near bot of Prot tree is the odd ball. It's written that it should add +10% 1 hander damage but it really should say is "Most damage you do while using a 1 hander is increased by 10%" So you consecrations = +10%, your Judgements, SoR... stuff like that.
Also I just tested it... SoR rank 3 has an 18.666% spell power ratio. I just made a vid but have to sleep on the subject. Rank 3 two hander is still 20% though.
I searched some old dueling video photage I had and its just been me being wrong this whole time lol.
@@pallytime2156 Very interesting regarding the weapon specialization talent. Okay, TY.
@@TimangiFanClub yeah I just asked minno... apparently both the 1 hander and 2 hander specializations increase Seal and judgement damage... not sure about consecration or anything else like oils
@@TimangiFanClub I'll spend the gold to test it I guess
@@pallytime2156 Not sure in what universe it would be done, but could the (negligible) Imp SOR talent interact with it? And any other outside sources like engineering? I imagine pursuing these talents for a slight dps increase would actually just be a gimp to the class, but interesting to see how damage can be ramped up anyway.
Theyre back up if anyone was wondering
What are your thoughts on Skullflame shield over Gizlock’ Hypertexh Buckler? Skullflame in general? Thxs for the videos!
Uh... Skullflame shield has 100% spell power ratio on the life steal, but no ration on the AoE fire. Its considered the BiS AoE farming shield, along side Deamonforged Armor which has 60% ratio
i know its hard to get but i was wondering if you tried out iron Foe and how it preforms against flurry axe
I sucks. Very low proc rate. Flurry axe is 7.5% x2 with SoR and the procs can proc procs just like Ironfoe.
I hit a shaman one time for 7 procs 1 hit was kinda funny.
ok thanks for the info and the great content
This is a case of Less Damage is More. 🤔 seems legit.
Edit: Found quirks like this before. For a time during Kara there was some mage 30,30 build where scorch spam beat using fireball. Lag casting & fireball burn damage overwrite tilted to scorch.
Should I start with this shield build as soon as I get my first one hand?
More like every paladin should have a shield and a 1 hander... swap to them as you need.
"fresh" is coming out soon?
Do you prefer thrash blade or knightly?
You want the FASTEST 1 hander possible. Thrash blade = slow = AWEFULL.
Get both and test it.
With all of this, what is your leveling talent build?
Can do as you like at 60... or check out my "Healing in Raids is NOT what you think vid"
So if you can´t AoE farm due to, to many people on the server + pvp, we talking classic era now not hc. then what spec is the best and what weapons=?
What you are discribing should be impossible if you know where to go to FARM.
There are 2 Farming Methods... 1 is to gather 4-5 mobs using Rank 1 Consecration as you run around to gather them.
The other is to pull 3 mobs in and burn them down... then another 3 mobs and burn them down after a short drink. Why? it only takes about 2/3 of your mana to kill 3 mobs... so you drink back up to 2/3 really fast and do it again then drink to full rinse and repeat.
@@pallytime2156 okay so I guess 2h deep ret or 2h reck is only good for pvp while leveling if there is a lot of world pvp going on ? Then what for AOE, I gather mobs with rank 1 conc then once I got mobs together I use max rank until they die ? + mana seal and judgement to not go oom.
You can 2 Hander in Classic for sure... its just not recomended for HC@@jarlfisk
trying this for hc
Im confused, seal of wisdom or SoR rank 3? Also any pvp tips with this build
Lol? Look up any "Paladin vs X class PvP guide" and its me and only me making vids.
TLDR is Heal yourself and you can outlast almost any other class while leveling. Super Easy.
SoW is for AoE Farming
SoR is for Single target
SoR3 is for when you are low level have good spell power, OR have a really FAST 1 Hander.
SoR5+ is best used for slower 1 Handers later on.
Always check to see which SoR is doing more for you SoR3 or your Highest current Rank.
Even do this in Naxx gear honestly.
@@pallytime2156 ok ok will do thanks for the reply, just found your channel and have been enjoying your videos. Ret was feeling clunky at 45 and this knightly sword build is super fun. I am mostly dueling my buddy who is a pretty skilled feral druid and I watched your guide and you said "just equip a shield and you can kill like 3 druids in a row" lol. With my ret build he was still beating me so now im gonna try this AoE build. Im only lvl 46 so I am mostly wondering if I should:
Use knightly even in duels with SoR3 OR use a stronger sword like vanquisher's with higher rank SoR.
Guess I will test out the dps for myself but thanks for the tips!
Oh also I put the fiery blaze enchant item from badlands on my knightly and it seems pretty nice
I have a holy shock stam/int build video leveling at 40... gives a good idea of why SoR5+ over SoR3 for the 2 handers and single target@@SqweezyC
@@pallytime2156 oh great okay ill watch that. Thanks for all hardwork on these excellent videos.
if seal of righteousness is your main damage dealer, why are we not speccing the talent to increase its dmg?
It increases the base damage by 15% but not any of the bonus damage from spell power.
In theory it gets viable while level past level 34... with a 2 hander where you are using higher ranks of SoR... but it ends up being an opportunity cost issue for your talents.
All that said... its STILL garbage.
Level 60, no spell power... rank 8 SoR base damage is +24 DPS... and we are talking about increasing that by 15% for 5 talents.
13:14 think you meant blessing of sanc here, not blessing of protection
I liked leveling prot, but was an easy target for casters
2 Hander and Wreck bombs mean they don't mess with you much past level 40.
VERY easy to out heal them when level with Stam / Int build... kinda silly actually as long as you know to Freedom and RUN when counterspell is avalible.
Wtf wow good to know damn
I know this is for classic era but what about Wrath pally? When I try to find any good info on AoE farming in wrath is all the same people giving info I can find on Icy Veins aka The times square of advertising.
Sure, I tested it early on in Wrath... Hakkari Manslayer still had a 100% spell power ratio and 10% proc rate with SoR.
Enjoy.
About all I got.
What about hardcore build
Wait classic fresh is coming out? When is that happening? I hope you're not talking about hardcore cuz I have no interest in that haha.
Plus, I hope you do make more regular guides because you are the og paladin to me when I first started playing classic!
So..... What at the talents???
Kargoz created RestedXP and a guy came out and showed all sorts of shit Kargoz did with Blizzard
Good luck with aoe grinding on a pvp server. 45+ is going to be tough. The world is full of horde and you will need to defend yourself. This build will be great on a pve server though. GL
AoE grinding for a paladin level is 4-5 mobs at a time. 5 is sketchy on fresh.
@@pallytime2156 I meant from level 45 and up, aoe grinding will be tough with all the horde around in the world with pvp going on. But if you're talking about "fresh" server like a private server, then sure.. if you're ahead of the pack that is. Plus all the competition of mage aoe spots. Still great to do tho and tons of fun. Doing this on classic Era will be tough with the amount of players in the world, not a bad thing though hehe.
Wait you didn't explain seal of righteousness rank 3. How can it be less damage than rank 4 to 8? It can't be correct.
Ok looked it up, and ranks 1 and 2 have 15% spell damage scaling rank 3 have 20%. Then when you look at rank 4, it only has a 10% spell damage scaling. It wasn't obvious in the video why rank 3 was preferred.
@@johanlahti84 I say it so often that I just get tired of repeating myself. Those numbers are off a bit. For 1 handers Its 13% for 1 and 2... 18.666% for Rank 3... and 10% for the rest.
2 hander is closer to what you are saying with 15%... than 20% for Rank 3... than back to 15% for the rest.
The actual numbers VERY quickly become not important because whatever weapon you are using either Rank 3 or Rank 8 will be best. 2 Handers always use rank 8 while fast 1 handers use rank 3... and slow 1 handers use Rank 3 or 8 depending on mana supply. For example my 2.5s wep Rank 3 and 8 do about the same damage but Rank 8 will do 100 more damage in the judgement.
where can i find the full leveling build?
Not sure what you mean... I am getting requests for talent trees if you like lol
@@pallytime2156 yes, do you have the full 1-60 leveling talent trees anywhere or possible a link to the wowhead calculator?
@@John-gu2iv Hold my beer... I will make a very... very... VERY detailed video series today on that.
@@pallytime2156 my hero
appreciate your guides bro, but why no gameplay? I wanna see the actual leveling in action! at least one pull! I'm still confused, im a visual learner!
isnt sp and mp5 more important than intellect? i dont really see a reason to have a bunch of intellect as prot pala since ur mana just depends on your SoW procs and ur not ending a fight with full mana either way
You can see my more recent vis for that but the TLDR is that you need all but 4-5 pieces of gear to be Stam / Int gear in order to do a 4-5 mob pull even with the Judgement mana pull back.
Its like 70s of combat time... 9 consecrations... 500 mana spent on seals to get 1600 mana back in that time... 2k with other factors like parry haste, reckoning, spirt ticks...
Need about 3k mana bar at level 47 = TLDR
You will have 3.9k with FULL stam / int gear.
Drinking at 45 gives 97 mana per second so recovery time after 5 mob pull will be about 20s
Spirt gear and MP5 don't make a DENT this as you can't really out compete 97 mana a second. The bonus mana just lets you handle 6 mobs rather than 5 (theoretically if you could get them)
But that's why its almost ALL stam / Int with 4-5 peices Stam / Spirt
Do you have to drink after every pull?
I swear I'm following this guide to the letter but I'm not doing very much damage and I don't seem to have much health. I'm level 26 using a 1.8 sword and a defense shield
I would watch the more recent vids... possibly the rotation guide video. For single targets you use 2 hander
thank you for the tips. for stam-int does a faster 2h weapon work better?
@@pallytime2156
1-30 talent points ?
Lol seriously... I'm like OK... So how to we build it?!
is there a level by level guide this is hard to follow for a new player
I just made a 1-20 guide to go with my 1-30 and 40+
@@pallytime2156 Awesome i am loving leveling like this so much fun.
i havent watched the whole video but if u didn't know why kargoz deleted most of his videos, it was most likely because of the drama that was happening at the time with restedxp and alexsensual exposing him. This is the video about it czcams.com/video/HGe0Eg7JvkY/video.html .
What is mp5?
Mana per 5 second
I believe Kargoz deleted all his videos, except the christmas special, because he got called out for doing something unethical.
Something like exploiting the HC community to make money with his company. And when he got busted he admitted it, realized his carrier was over, and deleted everything.
I dont know all the details but if you wanna look into it I think there are videos about it on youtube.
tested the damage by seal of righteousness on the new HC servers, and i'll do more damage with rank 5 than with rank3 :/
Need to judge Crusader and use a fast 1 hander... otherwise... yeah... higher ranks.
Make a warrior oneaswell think he probably has legal issues with the alex sensual stuff, hes just trying to cover himself to stop any type of legal action
The reason why kargoz deleted his channel is because there was some minor drama between him and alexensual and from what i heard kargoz got some nasty messages and since he has a family he just dipped out. (Also it is rumored that kargoz was already in process of distancing himself from the wow community because his family got a lot of harrasment from hc griefers because of him being partially responsible for blizzard banning griefers in hardcore.)
sure mate haha
he is such a victim that guy...
wowhead calamityhc's guide is the best to lvl with - if you level with sword shield you cope so hard hahaha
LOL good luck with the suck. Kek
they took down the guide because are monetizing the hell with RestedXP Addon Shit Xd
You know, he sits there and talks about the build without actually showcasing it at 35 for a reason.
I tried this strategy at 33, it's boring, it's slow, and it's not worth respeccing for. Just stick with 2 handers and go down the ret tree.
Kargoz said reckoning/ret is best talent trees but then you dont have consecration. What is your opinion? Holy/prot the way to go?
Yes I hacked him I have all the videos
🤣🤣😂😂
Ehm Kargoz got the jackpot with al the zombies buying shit for wow. Lvling guides and other things.
He got a lot of shit about that. So the best thing is to fade out
Quality is a bit low
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@@leonvonleon7154 Thanks!
Kargoz got his ass kicked by Alexensual, but then Alex lost to a girl. Complicated story.
drama tends to be cringe, wow drama is always cringe tho.
ironic when alex disabled all comments on his videos
how did he get his ass kicked again? because he tried to make money by selling a levelign guide? cmon. u guys acting like all his love was fake. i wont take that. that guy put more love and energy into wow and the community then most. hope he brings back soon :)
Kargoz was part of the problem.
Part of what problem?
Crazy how a guy makes some weird conspiracy type video about rested xp and kargoz completely deleted his online presence lol
FFS blah blah blah
He deleted everything , bc he got exposed for scaming people
How was he scamming people ?
Hahaha your comment is just pathetic
Was it rly that bad ? He could just apolegize and put up the videos again, lol.
Yea I was annoyed he took all his videos down. That was really dumb. Now I gotta listen to pallytime drone on through non edited videos 😅
You do know people been selling “guides” since 04? So he saw an opportunity to sell people something? Props to him. Soft community these days. 😂
He didnt get hacked, he set himself up to get money from wow hardcore via his premium feature in his addon and now that the monetization of cheat based hardcore progression is over and you scumbags are busy cheating your way around the challenge he is gone!