5 Ridiculous Skyrim Plot Holes and Bethesda's Emil Pagliarulo EXPOSED by Dagoth Ur
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- Dagoth Ur explains the Top 5 Skyrim Plotholes that Emil Pagliarulo hoped you would not notice explained by no other but the Sharmat himself, Dagoth Ur. These outrageous plotholes are absolutely fixable, and should not have been in Skyrim or the Elder Scrolls Universe. This video is for those who play Skyrim for the Plot. While I am personally neutral towards the writing of Skyrim and Emil, Dagoth Ur is very much not happy with the way he used Dragons in Skyrim, and did not give proper explanations from some plot points in the game.
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Chapters:
Intro: 0:00
Alduin's Stupidity: 0:44
The Blades: 1:28
Skyrim Civil War: 3:16
Dragons: 5:56
Sovngarde Plot Hole: 7:53
Outro: 9:25 - Hry
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i actually really enjoyed the story of skyrim, maybe it could have been better sure, but it was good enough, and it caused a shit loads of speculation and theory videos for the last decade straight that people still constantly milk on their youtube channels.
i do agree that the dragonborn should have been either able to make his own faction to fight the dragons or have another route to the ending of the civil war or prevent it at all to keep everyone on task and not the pointless war.
@@user-tp5yb4hr4w Not saying I hated it, but Lord Dagoth did :) For all his faults Emil is an okay writer. Like he wrote the Dark Brotherhood quest line in Oblivion which is mostly good, but if approached from a more critical standpoint then you can nitpick it to death.
Dagoth didn't like Skyrim from Day 1.
6:05 so the elder scroll that was capable of trapping Alduin in a time was a bad idea?
and to further go onto the next statement, it was bad that Alduin found out which tow to attack to where the dragonborn would be, he just didn't know which person he might be in the location, is a bad plot why?
i remember speculating on this and i had a lot of ideas, because the game doesn't really give you a full explanation like many stories and that's totally fine for me because it keeps the mystery in the game, because if you just tell everything in a story it loses it's appeal really quick, to me that's a genius story telling technique that more stories need, to you it's bad because reasons.....? no explanation needed i guess?
yeah i think most of your comments are petty and baseless, but i will say maybe his writing isn't good for specific genres' style, like space games where he does a shit job, but i think he did just fine in skyrim and maybe after many years these things these answered questions or open ended quests could be answered, but i suppose that would also take away all the mystery.
i know people like to bandwagon on hating this guy, but i don't think he deserves it in every given situation like some like to further bash, he's a shit writer when it comes to scifi, we all have our strengths and our weaknesses right, but in the Fantasy, he happens to do a decent job, is it the best writing? probably not, but is it good enough? yea it really is given the material he was given.
i think what you are doing is just bashing on this guy only to bash, and that's it and your probably relishing on it and others will relish on it as well, basically Bandwagoning in order to bash, for no other reason or purpose, just to bitch and moan like a child with a temper tantrum screaming the loudest so every other child around you can have the same tantrum at the same time.
I've been very much enjoying the backlash Emil has been getting for telling us all that we know nothing and we should just appreciate the fact that we get games from him.
He is just a skill less egotistical janitor that somehow doesn’t do his actual job.
@@SqualidsargeStudios that's an insult to janitors everywhere. I would say he's more of a glorified office aid, but that would also be an insult to office aides everywhere; even your garden-variety designated paper-shredder has more marketable skills than him (not to mention a far superior work ethic).
@@AdblockWillWin7853yeah you are absolutely right, but i just don’t have the correct comparison for it. So janitor was a stand in.
@@SqualidsargeStudiosJanitors know their job and do it happily. Emil doesn't
@@SqualidsargeStudiosI guess a dung beetle would be an apt comparison. Or anything that gets sprayed by a skunk and walks around thinking it’s your fault if you don’t like their new smell.
Emil has been a thorn to both Elder Scrolls and Fallout now...the sooner they get rid of him as a writer the better.
Some of his stuff makes sense until you analyze it deeper
@@ZakeandZach 'Keep it simple, stupid.'
@@rockyaboba9466 more like "Keep it stupid, stupid".
Literally this.
Emil Paraglider must go.
Delphine be like: kill all dragons
Dragonborn: *has pet dragon*
Tiber Septim: *Also has a pet dragon*
Correction, dragonborn has a pet dragon AND a zombie dragon.
Dragonborn... Being part dragon...🙄
The Blades are supposed to kill dragons yes, but they're also supposed to worship the Dragonborn as a godlike being and follow him. So if the Dragonborn says "I like that dragon, that one's chill" the Blades should say "yes Dragonborn." Instead they coldshoulder the Dragonborn, who incidentally is both their best recruiter and the only person in the world who can permanently kill dragons. So their obsessive focus on killing dragons to the point of disobeying the Dragonborn stunts them as an organization.
What a grand and Intoxicating incompetence.
I hate that they made parthys death cannon 😢
@@zambekiller Wait what?!
@@thunderstudent yeah the lead writer tweeted that Parthys death is cannon
@@zambekiller Literally batshit
"but a breton nwah named emil-" HAD ME ROLLING FOR AIR
Paglurio seems like more of an imperial.
We've been demanding Pagliarulo's firing since Fallout 3 came out in 2008
These N’Wahs and their ridiculous plot holes. Only a Dunmer could write true perfection.
Jiubpilled
Spoken like a true Imperial!
The single most horrible thing that has happened to Bethesda was all of the writers that were responsible for Daggerfall, Battlespire, Redguard, and Morrowind all quit between Morrowind and Oblivion. Also, Kirkbride wrote the dialogue for the very first Skyrim trailer that they released (the one narrated by Esbern) which is why it was so good.
Let's not act like Kirkbride is a writing god though. He's the reason Pelinal is some stupid time traveling robot instead of just a badass holy Knight. He's okay as far as writers go, but the man has written some shit stuff too
@twilightcoda8572 Don't get me wrong, Kirkbride has written some decent stuff, but his terminator time travel stuff was just too outlandish for me, even by Elder Scrolls standards. I'll still take him over Emil as he doesn't get mad when he gets criticism.
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 What? him being a cyborg of the future is the best thing ever lmao. It's like my favorite thing about the empire's foundation besides Alessia fucking a bull.
@@MsQuikly How is it the best thing ever? This is a fantasy universe, not SciFi. Dwarven Automatons are one thing, Pelinal is straight up un-lore friendly. A time travelling robot with a fucking laser gun for an arm does not belong in Elder Scrolls. Plus this begs the question of why did he even need the Crusader's Relics if he is clearly so much stronger than anything else. Shit writing, shit lore.
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 if you see morrowind style and design, then learn about crap like the numidium and dragon breaks I think it your scope of what "fantasy" is and can be is rather limited, TES is rupturist in it's proposition and until Oblivion it was pretty avant-garde in it's design choices. So yes, a time traveling homosexual robot with a motherfucking laser for an arm whose nephew is a bull does belong in TES and it's fucking cool man. Also, the crusaders relics are blessed, Pelinal is a shezzarine (or mantling another divine) and like all of them they don't go around naked.
Emil Papiagrillo helped me do my homework once. I got an F.
The hubris on that man...
I wrote a better beginning to Starfield in 5 minutes while sitting on the toilet after being immensely disappointed by its first hour.
If he had said something along the lines of "we couldn't do X because of an engine limitation/challenges during development", sure, the actual people working on the game would've greater authority to talk about it. There are no excuses, however, for bad writing. Emil seems to be both delusional and incompetent. It's shocking that a man involved in so many games that have a reputation for being poorly written somehow still has a job as a writer.
Nepotism. He was best friends with Todd in High School.
I still feel like the whole overarching plot line was a missed opportunity. You don't need time portals to explain Alduin appearing thousands of years in the future. Alduin is eternal. He cannot actually die. You can only disrupt him temporarily. And nothing was brought up about the fact that Alduin is the ancient Nordic name for Akatosh. You are literally fighting not a dragon, but an Aedra. It is the Oblivion crisis flipped on its head, and would show that the difference between the Aedra and the Daedra is really academic. Forget this mystical shout to bring down dragons, and instead seek out aid from the Daedra to thwart Alduin's goal of resetting the world. Instead of being Dragonborn being a gift, it was Prometheus stealing fire from the gods. Alduin didn't seek out the Dragonborn, but by virtue of being there when Akatosh returns turns you into the Dragonborn.
This is why the only true God is Daegoth Ur.
I already figured that Alduin was just another aspect of Akatosh. He started the flow of time and Alduin is his aspect that’s meant to bring it to an end. But it would have made more sense if he was saved for the final battle that has drawn all the races of men and mur to Tamriel to close out the cycle. Hopefully Akivir is up next but I’m starting to resign myself to that not happening in my life.
"and instead seek out aid from the Daedra to thwart Alduin's goal of resetting the world."
That would be AWESOME
I just wanted to clarify that the concept of time was created by the soul of Anuiel, who exists as three entities: Auriel, Akatosh, and Alduin. They correspond to beginning, middle, and end, respectively.
@@estarks6480 the lore for Alduin still points to him coming back, it states that he will die and be reborn again, the use of the elder scrolls doesn't count as a death technically so we can assume his death in Skyrim is the prophesied first death before his resurrection to devour the world.
@@estarks6480like, I don't think that makes sense at all. Come with me for a second.
Yes, Alduin might be an aspect of Akatosh, responsible for the end of time. But then he tried to end time all that time ago, back in the Dragon War, didn't he?
So Akatosh wanted the world to end all that time ago? And if he did, why did he help Martin Septim and the Hero of Kvatch in Oblivion, if he wanted the world to end anyway?
It is said that Alduin rebelled against Akatosh, and chose to do his own thing in order to be worshipped. How could an aspect of Akatosh do that? Why would he, seeing as he is supposedly Akatosh himself?
I don't mean any of these questions to be demeaning, I'm genuinely curious, as I'm a great Skyrim fan. XD
The blades say they are supposed to be led by a dragonborn, then you never get a say in anything once you help them set up. Shit faction.
EXACTLY
This also goes for any of Fallout 4's faction you get to be a leader, specially bothersome on the Minutemen.
@@amadeusagripino6862 In that case Preston Garvey was trolling you. He could see your character was dumb.
Calling Pagawamo a Breton is an insult to us Breton fans.
He is a God! How dare you question a God!?
Emil's surname changing through the video killed me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It only took nine years for the news that todd Howard didnt change the plot to what it is now. We're sorry kirkbride for not believing you. (Basically he said most of the plot holes were someone other than Todd in 2014)
Todd has to deal with "higher management" wanting to micro manage every little detail and brainless, arrogant fools who can't write their way out of a wet paper bag... when a company stops producing products for the consumers to stick their faces in the butts of "investors" (I'm referring to corporate management) to have gas released on them then they deserve to be mocked and ridiculed for all their failures
The reason we all find TES lore so fascinating is that it was crafted by genuinely talented writers such as Ted Peterson and Michael Kirkbride. This Emil Paglianocchio hack has done little beyond tarnishing the work of his betters.
Pagliaccio not only ruined Elder Scrolls, but also did it to Fallout too. And the less we say about Starfield, the better.
I can do without Kirkbride's writing for Pelinal myself, but I still prefer him to Emil any day
You see the thing with elder scrolls and fallout they are using lore written by people that no longer work over there this is why Starfield looks unfortunate because it had no lore to back up from previous writers.
Yeah, they had no talented people to mantle
The biggest plot hole in the entire franchise is... all of Cyrodiil. From the fact that it was supposed to always be a tropical jungle to the fact that even the bridges that connected to the Imperial City were meant to have entire cities on their own, adorned with jewels, to the vast social and racial tensions between the various counties...
Oh, silly me, they tried to explain some of this nonsense away by Tiber Septim becoming Talos and somehow retconning the entire region into a big forest. And I'm sure he also retconned everything else, like how the Empire is now just Rome, instead of some weird Roman samurai hybrid. And everybody gets along. And the temples of the divines are just churches.
When in doubt, invoke an n'wah false god. Or a Dragon Break. Or both at the same time.
The truth is bethesda is incapable of writing ethnic conflict without resorting to miniority good, opressors bad dichotomy
It doesn't really make sense for an entire Cyrodiil to be just jungle. Considering it is the center of Tamriel. Like how would the Imperial City even be surrounded with jungle, wouldn't they have to deforest it so that they could support their growing population, you know so that they would have materials to be used as furniture or construction. Their primary economy is still agriculture, so having the whole Cyrodiil as a jungle ain't gonna do that, considering that they are supposed to be the center and have a largest population. The Imperial Legion is based on Roman Legion and after their service legionnaires are often given a land for them to farm, so it safe to assume that it is also the same in Imperial Legion. The only thing that make sense to be a jungle is in the most southern part of Cyrodiil which is where the region of blackwood and the city of Leyawiin are found. The Jerall Mountain is in their north so that wouldn't do.
Also the Imperial City seen in Oblivion is smaller because the game engine wouldn't be able to support it, I mean the game only use one core even if your processor is dual or multi-core.
I really like Esbern, but killing parthurnax is never worth it.
How can you contradict a God? What a Grand and Intoxicating innocence.
You wanted to be famous Emil. Now the internet knows your name.
I think the problem with the blades was the two surviving members who rebuilt.
Delphine was just trying to keep relevance in the organization, she definitely didn’t have any authority on killing parthurnax.
Esbern on the other hand was more understanding in his need to execute Parthurnax. Saying that is was justified, no matter how much time had passed Parthurnax was still guilty and even Parthurnax himself admits that he had to overcome his evil and tells the Dragonborn that he doesn’t disagree with his needing to die of it means peace.
Overall, the blades have no legitimacy in Skyrim to make this choice anyway, the Dragonborn has to decide.
i get it, everyone wants the happy ending.
@@user-tp5yb4hr4wdamn straight we want best dragon to live
@@user-tp5yb4hr4w For me, it's not about it being a happy ending or not. This is about killing Paarthurnax being boring. Even more boring is the whole idea there weren't dragons/they all died/etc. Parthy is interesting because he's immortal and demonstrates (Like, Nafaalilargus) that not all dragons have actually been dead. Skyrim doesn't take advantage of dragons having been alive enough. Killing Parthy wouldn't matter as much if Skyrim had a few other semi-fleshed out dragons. This would legitimately make more sense as you'd then be making a decision about the value of Parthy as a character as opposed to killing the only character prop of a dragon.
Another boring move was killing the emperor. What made Septim a memorable character is he stuck around through games. He's not remembered because he's well-written. Urethral Scrotum was hardly a character. The killing of Skyrim's emperor could have been an interesting player choice. In the game it wasn't bc the emperor was just a plot device. There could've been an interesting decision where the emperor can convince the player not to kill him. Then the player can make the decision. In terms of how memorable he was though, I can't even remember his name.
@@Kevin-zv6ds
i agree that there should have been more choices, however i don't think every little detail needs an explanation simply because this is what the community loves the most when it comes to speculation theory lore videos, to me it would be boring to explain every detail right away, the game still needs some mystery so long as there is still plenty of material to draw from and to have an idea of what could be happening.
i do wish that we had another route in how the civil war ended, like an option to show the Jarl's the proof you found in the thalmor embassy during your infiltration, but share this info after telling Elinwen to leave the summit before you tell everyone about this proof, it would have been nice to provide this info to both the empire and Ulfric that this war was a controlled opposition war that the thalmor created which caused Ulfric to kill the high king in which might provide another possible ending to not only the civil war but also another way to strike back at the thalmor in some way.
The two of them survived on being extremely paranoid for decades, so of course they would want you to take out a dragon.
... The uh... one dragon that has an actual chance at, ya know, making all the other dragons not give in to their instincts and... ya know... try to rule the world... again...
Shame you can't point out this obvious flaw or anything.
The biggest problem with Skyrim's CW questline is the fact that we discover the damn dossier about the Thalmor's influence in the war; shortly after, we have both leaders of the respective factions face to face to discuss a truce and we simply do not care enough to say "c'mon, my dudes, the Thalmor are fu**ing both of you at the same time. You can not let this shit continue to happen." But no, the dumbest of the dragonborns simply keeps the information to themselves; it's annoying as heck.
it's common knowledge I believe multiple characters refer to the civil war as being beneficial to the thalmor and let's not forgot the thalmor were present at the start of the game when the imperials captured ulfric if that doesn't scream we have a hand in this conflict I don't know what else does
@@ciaranmck4469 True, but there's a difference between a handful of characters speculating on how the war is beneficial to the Thalmor, and the Dragonborn literally bringing out documentation stolen from the Thalmor themselves that lays out how they're using both sides to their advantage, including who/how/when they've been manipulating things. For instance, openly acknowledging that the Thalmor were grateful Ulfric's execution was interrupted because him dying too early would impede their efforts to establish their own control in Skyrim, and suggesting they needed to find out who was behind the dragon attack because they might make a good ally if they would also benefit from prolonging the conflict.
@@VenathTehN3RD Still I disagree lmao Tullias litterly says they're playing us. It's not speculation, they all know it and it's not like any of them actually has the authority to declare war on the thalmor bar ulfric but he's not going to do that when he hasn't fully liberated Skyrim and even then I don't see him declaring war on the dominion until there is an actual good opportunity to fight them.
So yeah they already know they're being played especially when the thalmor litterly showed up to Ulfrics execution lmao and moreover its not like any of them are willing to do something about it. Ulfric wants to free Skyrim from the imperials and Tullius is just following his orders by the emperor
To be fair, we're not the dumbest of Dragonborns. No, that's still Miraak; Secretly scheming against a god of secrets in his own realm, and not even thinking to ask us for help.
It's actually the guy praying to be saved at helgen to all the gods that the world eater was supposed to show up for but he was shot running in the black running away
I'm a writer and Emil quickly became an enemy of mine lol. I hate him so much.
Workshopping Emil even as a joke is fun
@@ZakeandZach
I would honestly be embarrassed if I heard him trying to give advice on stage lol. I don't care if I got booed but I'd have to ask him why he thinks he qualified to speak on writing, when he couldn't even write properly for an established IP.
He became my enemy since Fallout 3
Simple way to fix the Blades.
Make the faction three different groups before they were outlawed after the Great War, a spy network, the Imperial Protection force, and the oldest branch the Dragon Hunters. After the Dragons disappeared the Dragon Hunters mostly became a secretive order hidden somewhere in Skyrim that were looked down on by the espionage branch as a waste of time and money. The protection force after the end of the Great War officially became the Pentius Oculatus with only the oldest members being listed as Blades and having to flee, which includes Balor, an older member of the Imperial protectors, whose Oathblade you can get in game. My change would be that you find a wounded and dying old Balor being attacked by several Thalmor once you hit a certain level near a particular area of the map, and you can get the option to help him or let him be killed by the Thalmor. If you help him he tells you about his blade and asks you to retrieve it and keep it safe from the Thalmor before expiring.
The spies also all had to go into hiding, but the old Dragon Hunters were hidden somewhere in Skyrim from before the Great War even started so no one was sure where they were. The spies, led by Delphine, knew they were in Skyrim but not where they were, so Delphine in a set of side quests gets the Dragonborn to help her locate Esbern and his fellow hunters because the remaining Blades, as well as many of their relatives, are being hunted down and they need their help to disappear. Several of the missions Delphine sends you on relate to either warning Blades and helping them escape capture or freeing captured Blades or saving their relatives including children who are also being hunted down and killed by the Thalmor.
You work with the two, Esbern and Delphine, to seal the breach as Esbern and Delphine have bad blood between them from incidents before the Great War and give Delphine a place to send those Blades that need to disappear for a long period of time as well as have a group of mostly elderly lore experts who help you in the search for weapons and items to fight the Dragons. Rather than attending the peace conference Delphine and Esbern get you to help them fake even more Blades' deaths leading the Thalmor to believe certain members of the organization are gone for good rather than still around and a potential threat in the future.
My version the Blades are willing to help you if you help them, but they are not bound to the Dragonborn as they do not believe the Dragonborn is the Heir to Akatosh since he cannot or at least has not lit the Dragon Fires which all other previous Dragonborn have done so they are not bound to you and you are only their ally if you chose to be.
Ah except that would retcon the ending of oblivion which made the dragon fires obsolete.
Only for keeping the Daedra out of the world.
The Blades might still require it for them to acknowledge someone as their Dragonborn master, AKA the heir to Tiber Septim. Would not be the first time a group demands a proof that has no other utility.
Basically you can't prove that you're not just a very powerful Greybeard, which they know exist and which they do not acknowledge as Dragonborn, without lighting the fires, so they tell you until you go and light the fires they will not bow to you. Only problem you can't go to where the brazier is in game.@@SezmoistheWorst
@@cstains5543 you know that's horseshit because they make you prove you are dragonborn by absorbing a soul in front of Delphine. Uriel Septim had dragon blood but wasn't dragon born, didn't have the voice. Remember, the grey beards and other voice users live in seclusion because at advanced age a mere whisper destroys half the realm. The only reason anyone can withstand the grey beards speech is because of the greybeards training themselves and/or because of dragon blood. Could a dragon born light the fires? No because the amulet of kings plus Akatosh descent is what it took and the amulet was destroyed at the end of oblivion.
You're assuming that I picture that happening in the revised faction.
They don't contribute to the main quest beyond you learning of the Dragonrend shout's existence so why would they even want to see if you're Dragonborn if the main quest handles that in another way?
Literally nothing Delphine shows you, tells you, or demands of you are necessary outside the learning of the existence of the Dragonrend shout which could be discovered in other ways or told to you by the Grey Beards or Paarthurnax after other in game events force their hand to level with you about the shout to help deal with Alduin. You get the Horn when you go to Ustangrav and take it back to the Grey Beards. The main questline flows through the faction that it makes sense for it to flow through from the start, the Grey Beards.
I literally envision writing the Blades out of the main quest because they don't make sense as a main quest faction, they don't contribute to it and send you into harm's way with no way of helping you if you get into trouble and literally you never even have to see them again once you take them to the Temple in the mountains. Their whole contribution is about five quests that are mainly you being forced to do things to prove something to them that probably if you're leveled high enough you've done a few dozen times around Riverwood, absorbing a dragon's soul, should be pretty common knowledge to the locals and then sending you into a potential death trap by sending you into the Embassy.
The way I picture getting involved with the Blades involves saving a small group of clearly civilian people, women, elderly or children, maybe a mix of all three, from Thalmor bounty hunters. If you save them they ask for your help in getting them to a third party that will get them out of Skyrim. That third party is Delphine and that's how you link up to the Blades. If you don't save them then you may never discover the Blades are in Skyrim outside of rumors and running into Balor potentially, but if you remember I picture him dying shortly after you meet him regardless of what you do.
And before you throw out there then how do you find Esbern or go to the Embassy, Simple, Esbern isn't in the sewers, another Blade that needs saving is. Esbern and the other Dragon Hunters have been in hiding for decades. No one has SEEN THEM for decades so what better place for them to be than already in the Temple on top of the mountain with a different set of traps and events to get into the Temple of course eliminating the blood rite to gain entry but making getting in there much harder, maybe going through an ancient catacomb or something like that with numerous Forsworn bodies lying around as evidence of their failed attempts to find the way through.
Furthermore the Embassy mission gets switched to where it would make more sense, the Civil War questline. Both the Imperials and Stormcloaks send you into the Embassy because they believe the Thalmor are aiding their enemies and they want proof of turncoats in their own faction and allies of the Thalmor around the province. You dig up the information and free a thief that has critical information on a major shipment of gold into the province to pay Thalmor agents that is the next major mission in the Civil War questline as either side will use the information to remove Tahlmor spies and agents of the other faction from their territory and the mission you go on to get the gold will fill your own faction's coffers with a massive boost in funds for the next steps of the war. @@SezmoistheWorst
@@cstains5543 now you are trying to retcon both what you said originally and what your answer was. But at least you thought it out better this time.
I love how Emil has been getting roasted well done after making some Argonian brained comment.
my interpretation is that Alduin didn’t have to sense were you were. He only arrived when he did because the terms of his Prophecy happened to be fulfilled when they were (as told to us by Alduin’s wall). Why would he have a choice in when he arrives if he was banished forward in time by others?
Thieves Guild plothole: Karliah shoots the player with a paralytic arrow in Snow Veil Sanctum because she...didn't have a shot at Mercer. But she could have _waited._ Paralyse Mercer, yell out that she means no harm, and because Bethesda players have the awareness of a tadpole, the UI not putting them into combat would be a pretty good indicator that she can be talked to.
Yeah but then there'd be no reason for her to not kill Mercer right then and there, making the rest of the questline pointless. The player no longer has a motivation to join the Nightingales or return the key as Karliah could just do all of that herself. Remember that the only reason Brynjolf and you even join them is so that you're strong enough to defeat a Skeleton-Key empowered Mercer.
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 Then that's a problem with the writing. If you require your characters to make asinine and nonsensical decisions in order to make your plot go forward as intended, then you did a poor job developing that plot. Obviously it's different if the character is actually supposed to be making a nonsensical decision (e.g. a person doing something stupid because they're panicking makes sense), but if the character just has to take a beating from the stupid stick because the story would end if they were as competent as they're supposed to be, then that entire plot point needs to be rewritten.
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 it's even worse though. The poison she used was specifically meant to slow the bloodrate so Mercer/We don't bleed out. She had no way of knowing that Mercer would only stab us and not, I don't know, decapitate us.
I honestly thought it was just blind luck that he figures out where we are, because at least random coincidence makes him less stupid as a villain regardless of how stupid the plot is.
Just HAPPENS to be in the same place at the same time, or it's like Kynesgrove where we hear about a dragon and lo and behold it's Aldu-Weiner.
I do think him saving you makes a lot more sense if it's an accident.
I personally interpreted his attack on Helen as him assuming the place belonged to the Nord Rebels from his day. Remember that he just exited a time portal, the last thing he remembers is an army of Nords down below as he was beaten. So it makes sense that he hasn't yet acclimated to the current era during the attack just yet and targetted "the upstarts".
I always liked the idea that dragons are naturally drawn to challenge the Dragoborn (a human with dragon's blood is a challenge that needs to be subjugated or destroyed, and whatnot), and Alduin was drawn to Helgen because he could sense the presence of one as soon as he popped out of the time portal and assumed that he was sent to a time when there was an active Dragonborn to face him. But since your powers haven't actually awakened yet he can't tell exactly who you are and just keeps attacking your general area, hence why he keeps popping up on your path as you run from the execution to the keep.
Not really anything official backing this in the canon, I just think it's a fun little idea.
Honestly the plot hole with alduin could have been solved by him sitting on top of the building in helgen and saying a few lines in dragon tongue as if he was confused for a little while the lines could of been among him being confused trying to make sense of were he's and the people are absolutely flabbergasted to see a dragon untill alduins notices them and comes to his senses and attacks
Yes
Don't get me started on the completly unfinished Foresworn questline. Missed opportunity to see the other side of a culture and people subjugated by the Nords.
Or the fact that the Dunmer outlive humans tenfold yet they haven't remotely rebuilt since the eruption? Let alone still living in the ghettos for some reason.
In fairness that's because Red Mountain is STILL erupting
Legend has it that Emil is actually a good writer cursed by his fearful and jealous peers. If enough people pronounce his last name correctly, he will be freed from his shackles and be able to write the TES game that everyone wants.
Now THIS is a thumbnail that deserves a Dagoth Ur saying "N'Wah!" on it xD
Pagliarulo looks more like an Imperial.
mongrel dog of the empire*
i thought he looked more like a thalmor.
Emil, much like the Imperial mongrel-dogs, is an instrument of the Thalmor's will. He sabotaged Skyrim to make Men look bad.
Whoa, don't associate this man with my fellow Countrymen, we do not claim this scoundrel as our own.
What about the whole Dark Brotherhood quest? Like the Pentius Oculatus knows the location, but not the password if you side with them. If you join the Brotherhood, they don't know, will find it, and figure out the password? Plus Astrid congratulates you for killing her in that shack in the swamp, but will sell you out because she wants to remain in power. There's a lot more, but its so dumb. Plus the whole Emperor situation and that excuse they made in that card game.😂
That's the next video
But they give you the password if you side with the Occulatus so that's not true. Unless you meant the Brotherhood when you said "joining them".
@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 oops my bad. 🤦♂️😅
@@miguelaponte8876 No worries, there's a lot of Elder Scrolls lore, can't expect a single person to remember it all.
The crap with Delphine and the Blades is why mods exist to tell her to STFU
The True Sons of Skyrim despise Emil Pagliarulo
Didn't he talk smack toward gamers who had legit concerns about Starfield?
i'm glad your talking about this, These were gargantuan plot holes in the story. especially the railroaded blades forcing the player to kill a ally dragon or they leave you for no reason. this wouldn't be such a big deal but because how you are punished as a player for this illogical quest is absolutely mind blowing. I desperately went and searched for alternatives options, but after extensive research and searching, I found there was none. it was the moment i felt my player agency totally ripped away. nothing about it was good. it was a massive net negative. In What world does the dragonborn kill the only friendly dragon that has been 1 peaceful and 2 helping him the entire game?Like HUH? Even the civil war was trash. As a dragonborn both sides heavily abuse you, spit on you and treat you like trash. As you can expect once again i went searching for alternatives and became more desperate after what i encountered with parthanax and was crestfallen. I couldn't just kill both sides then just let them sort it out or take over myself. Heck i would have taken an option to put lydia on the throne. Once again I was rail roaded into only only bad options. Nothing about that those major plots were enjoyable and still stick in my craw to this day. #5:30 Yes! Great Dagoth Ur, unleash your wrath on these abhorrent N'wahs and their horrid writing. Purge them please.
We haven't gotten to the Dark Brotherhood, the College of Winterhold, the Companions, Dawnguard, Dragonborn, Daedric Quests and other plotplines yet, but gee golly there is so much material I have to work with.
Yeah..... and thats the sad part.@@ZakeandZach i look forward to you talking about it. so much of the game was messed up in strange ways or led you to believe there was content when in actuality it was skin deep only.
When do the Imperials or Stormcloaks "treat you like trash" during the civil war quests exactly? You're either taking part in attacks on forts or performing special missions when not involved in a city siege. You're just treated like a regular soldier.
>In What world does the dragonborn kill the only friendly dragon that has been 1 peaceful and 2 helping him the entire game?Like
We still hunt down and kill high ranking Nazis for their role in the genocides in WW2 regardless of what hey did after the fact. Hunting Parrthunax is literally the default action taken by every world government because some crimes, such as the mass genocides he admits to taking part in, are considered unforgivable.
@@TheGreatSajuukKhar Yeah, sure. Wernher von Braun wants to have a word with you.
The Dragonborn is Shor or "Shezzarine" like Pelinal that's why the seat is empty and you can sit in it... Just a fun fact I guess.
Shor and Alduin or "Lorkhan and Auriel" are enemies and have been fighting since creation.
Akatosh is shore, shore is Akatosh.
@@77wolfblade akatosh is a combination of alduin and shor, it's why he's depicted as both man and dragon.
@@TheStrayHALOMAN The thing with Akatosh he is a god with many names. to the elves he is the Chieftain God but shore/lorkan the elves and redguards more or less see him as the devil.
They seem to be some evidence of the two being interlinked but at the same time contradicting.
@@77wolfblade Shor is a trickster and god of all men, he's much like if loki and odin both were combined.
That's just a theory, it's not canon lore
Alduin didnt put any points in Luck
Or Intelligence
I love how he butchers Emile's name with each use.
Never calm down Lord Dagoth. Your rage is your power and your conviction to bring the dream to the unwilling.
Not concerning the main query quest, but you, the Dragornborn, have the soul of a dragon, which cannot be soul trapped.
And then you get soul trapped anyway as part of the quest for Azura's Star, as well as the Dawnguard story, assuming you decline the first two chances to become a vampire lord.
Ackchually, its not the soul of a dragon but a fragment of Akatosh's soul. Therefore even better. So yeah the LDB should be teechnically completely immune to soul trapping or any soul related stuff and any funky daedric shenanigan. The LDB is literally Martin Septim Lite rerolled as a magic warrior.
Now that you mention it, how would the vampire thing even work? The implication when you enter the Soul Cairn as a vampire is that vampires have no soul for the Masters to take. However, how can you still be the Last Dragonborn if you no longer have the soul of a dragon, or the fragment of Akatosh's soul, as Super put it.
@@AdonanS Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next product.
I am pretty sure you are still just jealous you can't shout reality altering dragon swear words.
Also, my personal canon has always been that Alduin was just attacking Helgen because he wanted to grab a few snacks and had absolutely zero idea the last dragonborn was present.
Dragons are just adult Cliffracers.
EXPOSE THAT N’WAH 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Papiagrillo made my father disappear and explained it away with a dragon break, Mora doesn’t even know where I could find him.
Technically the 5th plothole regarding alduins soul just comes from the misconception of firstborn of akatosh. Firstborn of akatosh isnt literal he is the first subgradient to come from the akatusk, akha, or bormah depending on who you think has the correct name for the time dragons oversoul.
This was an epic take down. Nicely done. I've always had a hard time getting the motivation to replay Skyrim mainly for the lackluster, anticlimactic endings the two main stories had. 1/3 of the way into it seems like it was going to be a really good intrigue and layers of twists kind of story; something that keeps you guessing and surprised. NOPE. Just falls flat and feels like a let down, like a really cold and wet blow job; you feel your prostate contract and pulse, but there's zero pleasure and satisfaction.
Im 1000 times more scared of disarming shouting draugr than alduin
1. Alduin doesn't sense the dragonborn and then come to Helgen. He bursts back into time and immediately stretches his legs for lack of a better term and burns down Helgen as a way of showing he's back. Then he flies off to find his draconic brethren.
4, both the game and the blades make it clear the dragons weren't sleeping somewhere. They were almost all dead and Alduin is going around rezzing them. even if the nords could kill them all again only the db could kill Alduin and thus he could just constantly refresh his army. in fact, you can see him rezzing dragons at burial mounds in game outside of the Kynes grove quest.
5. they keep attacking because they are people. just because you kill an emperor doesn't mean his whole empire will fall. Some will do it for fun, to rebuild the empire under them, or to carve out their own little seat of power over mortals.
Another thought: Skyrim lacks one important mission: Destroy the Blades.
You can probably defend Alduin's arrival just a bit in that he was banished off the peak of the Throat of the world, which Helgen is a city within proximity of said mountain so being fast forwarded in time and spat out in relative proxmity to where he was banished isn't that bad. The rest of his actions like not ensuring the LDB's death and hunting him down after Helgen, eh not touching that.
could argue that his arrogance and hubris made him delusional to any other threats I mean he walked right into a trap when the 3 hero's sent him forward in time he clearly wasn't afraid of them and he believes that the LDB wasn't as powerful as they were so why would he be fearful of the LDB. Alduin had no idea of the LDB's strength till they fought
@@ciaranmck4469 I'm split on that. Maybe so given how lowly he treats the LDB. Though the mere existance of a DB is kind of like the metaphorical thorn in one's side. Even he shouldn't ignore the one being who could actually destroy him and his kin. Like he got outwitted by regular Mortals. The one mortal he shouldn't underestimate would be a DB
Granted maybe he did learn after the fight on the throat of the world. So he went to Sovengard to amass the strength he needed.
@@Naruku2121 Probably a bit of both tbh but alduin is very arrogant that much is clear so maybe he just put a focus on raising the other dragons. You've got to remember he's technically never lost a battle like being sent forward in time is just bad luck lmao he does kind of have a right considering he's practically a God. Which is a hole can of worms with the lore.
Did he even know TLD was in Helgen? TDB was just a level 1 person with basic racial perks and skills.
Alduin's big mistake was not going after TLD at Kynesgrove. TLD didn't have Dragonrend. Maybe some good armor and weapons but not enough to beat Alduin without Dragonrend.
Makes sense, I always assumed that he figured Helen belonged to the rebel Nord Army fighting him, since the last thing he'll remember is the Dragon War. The idea of the Empire and the Civil War wouldn't be known to him at the time.
The Paarthurnax Dilemma is a fantastic mod that let's you tell the blades to frig off, as the Dragonborn should've been able to do in the first place.
For the dragons I have an idea for a couple of your points;
1) I think his soul went to Akatosh. The Dragonborn probably earned his favor by slaying Alduin and so the kalpa continues.... for now
2) My guess for the other dragons is the shout he uses to revive them. I bet it was given to him by Akatosh to raise a dragon army to end this cycle
My guess is it's exclusive to him and we see in the main story how they come back but every other dragon (except the one in the Soul Cairn) were off screen revived
Like the naned one we fight at the watchtower outside was probably done by Alduiin when we weren't around
Amd then we see in Kynesgrove how they're actually returning because they should be long dead and a lot are
There's actually a skeleton dragon you fight near the end of the College of Winterhold quest when you go into Labarynthian
The fact that Alduin's seemingly pointless attack on helgen saved the life of his only threat is next level plot convenience.
The thing that pisses me off the most about Skyrim, and most other Bethesda games, is all the players who assert that when playing them for the first time everyone should do it without any mods. These games are a big mess of cut and abandoned plots, scaled-down settlements and unused voice tracks. Every single one of them was rushed out the door, kicking and screaming. They should NEVER be played without heavy interference from the modding community.
It’s kind of sad that we won’t get an elder scrolls game as great or as interesting as morrowind, but atleast the modding community will keep things interesting
Morrowind is a bit overrated in my opinion. Yes the story was good, but the gameplay is so unbelievably dated, especially the combat, that it's a slog to get through. It's hard for me to enjoy the story when every encounter feels like fight Brock Lesnar.
I never agreed with the idea that Alduin sensed the Dragonborn in Helgen, I'm pretty sure that was just coincidence. Alduin, after all, emerged from the time-wound at the summit of the Throat of the World, and the nearest settlements were Helgen and Ivarstead, and of the two, Helgen was by far the larger. So, first thing he does upon returning is attack the big loud town full of humans nearby. Coincidence is fine when it sets up the inciting incident of a story, and I don't think in this case that any further elaboration is necessary
Dagoth talks mad shit for someone who dies if you poke the heart a few times. Least Alduin has his own power.
This recent trend of "Bethesda Bad" is getting really tiresome. I love Skyrim and Oblivion. The main story of skyrim may not be the best, but it's the small stories we discover and learn throughout is what makes it a great experience.
I, as a creator, am not saying "Bethesda Bad" Dagoth Ur definitely is though
I've lost hope in the N'Wahs at Bethesda at this point I hope TES VI isnt too bad.
On Dragons, Sir Terry Pratchett (mayherestinpeace) wrote;
"This is where the dragons went.
They lie…
Not dead, not asleep. Not waiting, because waiting implies expectation. Possibly the word we’re looking for here is……dormant.
And although the space they occupy isn’t like normal space, nevertheless they are packed in tightly. Not a cubic inch there is but is filled by a claw, a talon, a scale, the tip of a tail, so the effect is like one of those trick drawings and your eyeballs eventually realize that the space between each dragon is, in fact, another dragon.
They could put you in mind of a can of sardines, if you thought sardines were huge and scaly and proud and arrogant.
And presumably, somewhere, there’s the key."
"The Sixth House is risen and lord Dagoth is its glory!"
What an informative sermon. Thank you, Lord Dagoth.
The blades have no purpose without the Dragonborn, you need me not the other way around.
Plot hole #1: Not a plot hole. Alduin did not even know that the Dragonborn was there in Helgen. Why did he attack Helgen? Very simply, to restart the civil war. If Ulfric escapes, he can takes his troops back into battle against the Empire. Where does Alduin hang out when he's not in Skyrim? In Sovngarde. Who else goes to Sovngarde? Nord souls. With a restart of the civil war, more Nord souls will go to Sovngarde. Why does Alduin want this? Because he harvests souls from Sovngarde to resurrect dragons in his attempt to take over Tamriel...
I wish that was the case, but look at what Emil said
Must have missed it. I watched the vid several times, but I cannot find any statements from Emil. What time mark?@@ZakeandZach
Maybe I should write for Bethesda... lol@@ZakeandZach
Except that makes no sense l, if he just escaped some time portal, he'd have no idea about the civil war. Last thing he remembers is an army of Nords fighting his forces while he was trying to kill three heroes. If anything, Alduin probably just assumed they were more enemy Nords. But this is a moot point since this Emil guy said something else.
Alduin is pretty crafty. Who says he just popped in and went immediately to attack? He would have appeared at the throat of the world where Parthunaax stays. Alduin could have been lurking in the mountains for months, watching and planning. To go to Sovngarde, he would have had to co-opt the dragon priest to open the portal there. It's likely he got organized before deciding to free Ulfric. Now, how did the Dragonborn end up in the same place? I say that was the work of Akatosh. Conversation with Parthunaax and a few other hints suggest Akatosh is not happy with Alduin and wants him gone, even though he is his firstborn. Just a theory.@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685
I honored the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmourned
BRO!!! 8:15 is my actual skyrim character! I remember posting that on reddit a vew years ago lmao
I miss Michael Kirkbride with my whole heart
Even a farm tool could write a better story
Excellent points. I would argue, however, that the main dragon questline in Skyrim is still a step above the main quest line in Oblivion. "Hey, chosen one. How about you just spend the next month and a half of game time going through Oblivion portals and slog through the same map over and over and over and over and over. And over. And then, when you've finally pushed Mehrunes Dagon to the extent that he must materialize himself onto Tamriel and attack the Imperial City, your job is to just play wingman for Martin while he kill-steals your Daedric Prince xp."
Honestly, if they created Miraak as a main antagonist in the first place, with his goal being claiming all the Dragon Priest masks, now written as something else, like the masks of the first Daedric priests or something, and commanding all the Draugr in Skyrim, in order to ascend to becoming a Daedric Prince himself, and turn Skyrim into his own Oblivion realm, that might have been more interesting. And don't even give him a Daedric patron. Have the Princes set up as untrustworthy allies of the PC, because they don't want Miraak to have the masks and use their powers for himself alone.
Morrowind plot line is best
@@ZakeandZach In all seriousness, yes it is. I've played Arena, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim, and without a doubt, Morrowind has the most compelling and non-tedious main questline of them all. Now if I could only find a mod to rid the game completely of cliff-racers.
I'm going to have to disagree. You completely mischaracterize Oblivion's main quest.
First of all, you aren't the chosen one. You were in Uriel's dreams yes, but you are important because of timing more than anything. There are also only a few Oblivion gates that are essential. You can choose to skip most of them. You only have to close 3 gates in the story. Kvatch, Bruma, and the Great Gate. If you want to argue that Allies for Bruma would occur canonically, that makes 10 in total that are plot relevant.
The vast majority of Oblivion's main quest is about being one step behind the Mythic Dawn and trying to stop their actions. Actually interacting with the gates is only a small part of the story. Sure, they could have had more layouts but they really weren't that bad.
Oblivion's main quest is good.
@@DrDoompenguin I don't find it horrible, just tedious. I've played through the main quest a few times, but now I generally skip it completely and just focus on the side quests whenever I play Oblivion. Perhaps one "issue" is that Oblivion's side quests and faction quests are so good. The main questline, frankly, pales in comparison to the Dark Brotherhood's, and the Thieves Guild's is at least its equal, and many individual side quests are superior to the main quest's non-gate ones. The main quest does have some dungeon delves, but they aren't any better than going into any other random Aelid ruin you find, so it's not like they feel all that special, just gate-locked. And then there are the gates. I don't care how many or few there are which need to be done. You've done one Oblivion gate, you've done them all. Go across lava bridges, go into tower, get gem. Rinse, lather, repeat.
And you, essentially, are the chosen one. You are mysteriously placed in that special cell at the right time, travel with the Emperor who clearly believes in divine destiny, and play the key role in resolving the conflict. There is no sense that you are just a rando who stumbled into it.
So, I stand by my snarky analysis.
@@Blackferret66 I can agree to that but I will still hold that the Oblivion gates are better than the dragons in Skyrim. They definitely could have used more layouts but the Deadlands has better atmosphere than anything in Skyrim besides maybe Solsthiem. Even having beaten the game several dozen times, there is still a certain amount of awe and fear from the Oblivion towers, even if I have the layout memorized.
One thing I question more than the plot holes is the armor, weapons, and clothes design. There are some that look okay or actually cool while the rest looks like either bad Conan cosplay or stitched together crap. There are modders who’ve come up with better designs that look better and still keep the fantasy design, even with actual vanilla assets. I just don’t get it.
Console limitations. Remember that this game also needed to run on the 360 and PS3. So having the hyper detailed clothes and armor we see in mods just isn't practical for the sake of performance.
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 They didn’t need to be high detailed. Just better design’s.
@@doccoke8782 Designs are subjective. Tell me what a better design looks like?
One more thing is that you can beat the main questline in a couple hours. For an RPG I feel like there should've been way more events going on throughout that hindered the dragonborn's progress
0:37 Only Kirkebride who might or might now acheived CHIM can be able to write about gods.
I'm glad to see the works of a longman like Creetosis making the rounds.
It’s my theory you weren’t Dragonborn by birth but were blessed by akatosh upon being the first to kill a dragon this go around since miraak wasn’t on nirn .
Another plot hole that doesn’t make sense is the shout cooldown system. Seriously why is this a thing in Skyrim when Dragons, Draugr death overlords, Alduin, Parthurnaax, Miraak & even The Ebony Warrior don’t have cooldowns? Does Emil not want us to have fun with Shouts?
It's explained, subtlely, that the dragons returning is directly due to Aldin resurrecting them
I like to think that Alduin didn't go to helgen for the dragonborn. He went there after Ulfric. Ulfric used the thume to kill a high king and once Alduin caught wind of it pride took over and he started to hunt down the mortal that dared use a dragons weapon to gain power. Now this does leave the dragonborn being there with Ulfric purely coincidence, but does help explain why Alduin is raising his army. To restart the dragon wars and he is rushing it because a Mortal is using the thume to gain power. The only other motals using it is the grey beards who are committed to peace.
I like to imagine The Nerevarine achieved Chim at the end of their adventures just to chill with Dagoth Ur and listen to his ranting responses to all the bullshit going on in-universe.
Happy New Year 2024 Papa Dagoth and Everyone of the 6th House.
Happy New Year!
Another thing you got wrong:
You compared Skyrim (2011) to works that came out at many times after it. Game of thrones came out in the late 90s and early 2000’s, took a decade long break, and came out with another on in 2011, the same year Skyrim released and hasn’t released another book (I don’t think that was a coincidence). The television series came out well after Skyrim.
HTTYD was 2010 and was a different take on the dragon genre, and was not faithful to the book at all.
Imagine dragons came out with their first album in 2012, almost a year after Skyrim.
Your argument is invalid.
Look I get it’s not perfect, I too am frustrated with the blades, but to just not do your homework is really dumb.
Imagine dragons was in 2010 actually. Their It's Time EP was out, though maybe they were underground at that point. However, if Imagine Dragons was chosen to make music for Starfield, I suspect SOMEONE was an early fan. There are also rumors that Bethesda was offered to work on a GOT game before developing Skyrim, and they were probably aware of all of the stuff in development before all of us plebians.
The Thalmoor are manipulated by the Daedra, just as the Dragonborn is helped by the Psijics who are inspired by the Aedra, so it ends up being a Divine Chess Match. The Dragons do seem
to be a bit senseless, or maybe just high level pieces in the chess game manipulated by the Divines. Alduin should have been undefeatable, and the Dragonborn thrust back into the Civil War.
Then he could defeat Ulfric and take over the Strormcloaks, to defeat the Imperials. While Alduin is kept at bay in Sovngarde, and the other dragons disappear. The Blades are just stubborn.
We need not of been required to obtain the Dragonrend Scroll. All that would be needed, are alternate ways to accomplish superiority, and still have some necessity to delve into the Diemer,
The Black Books, Blackreach, and the schemes of the Thalmoor. I suppose the plot holes were necessary to provide freedom of decision away from the main story line. Defeating Miraak
should have been enough to establish dominance of the Dragonborn.
There is nothing to suggest the Thalmor are being manipulated by the Daedra, and the player is only barely guided by the Psijics during the College of Winterhold questline, not the entirety of the game, so none of this is remotely true
Too be fair the mongrel dogs of the empire where allready obsessed with dragons earlier (The banner, the dragonblood in Septims...)
1:18 I think it was just a random attach
Was scrolling through and read the thumbnail title as Outrageous Skyrim Potatoes...
Calm down, Lord Dagon
Far Harbor, Knights of The Nine, The Shilvering Isles and The Pitt weren't written by Pacheti and its self-evident in quality
I felt somewhat alone in my particular distaste for Emil; little did I know Dagoth Ur and the 6th House and the Tribe Unmourned shared my opinion! Had I known this, I would have modded in the capability to end the main quest by joining the House Unmourned that Todd cut.
I clicked on the video expecting a pointless rehashing of what's already been said recently. I was completely wrong. May Dagoth Ur forgive me for my grand and intoxicating innocence.
By the Reclamations, this is gold
I’m gonna say it. Even Emil’s best work, the Dark Brotherhood in Oblivion, was pretty bad. Only interesting the very first time, after repeated playthroughs it really blows
After enough playthroughs it's all boring. You can only play the same story so many times imo but a good way to compare is by using the feelings and emotions of how you went through it the first 2 times
I can't believe I used to feel bad about purifying the cheydinhal sanctuary. In my opinion most of the brotherhood characters are too cartoonishly evil to be interesting or good characters and there isn't a lot going on with them dialogue wise either so it is hard to give a shit about them. Which is why I don't feel bad killing them anymore like I did when I was a kid playing oblivion.
You can say that about any storyline though.
"We are all well aware that no one enjoyed Skyrim for the plot"
Unfortunately, a lot of n'wahs did :P
Lol. I did as a player. Lord Dagoth btw...
I don't really see how "the civil war is bad," "the ending is underwhelming" and "dragons" are plot holes.
Those are more like flaws in the game design, not unexplained flaws in the story.
In 2024 I vow to do my upmost to honor the Sixth House and the tribe unmourned.
With alduin I bet that he tought that becose evryone found out about dragon born after killing the first dragon and why alduin attacked helgen....well he was proably pissed off so to calm down vrecked havock on first twon he sees
here is anotherone this imperial mongrel dog of the empire had to make skyrim so small so it would fit on a farmtool console box not blessed by the 6th house and the tribe unmourned
Bethesda mooched off the popular thing at the time with Oblivion too. Cyrodiil is supposed to be a jungle but got turned into a generic medieval fantasy world because Lord of the Rings and that aesthetic was big at that time.
I prefer the varied landscape myself. Having everything be a jungle would be boring, the Cyrodiil we have had a little bit of each Province's landscape in its borders, keeping the game visually diverse. I just wish they'd do the same with the town guards in these games.