Why I’m So Obsessed with Free Speech...
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- Why is free speech important - just to defend hedonic freedom? Is there any difference between free speech and free thought? Do we (mostly) think in words or images? Was Plato right - does learning equal remembering, in a sense? How do internal debates work?
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Just wanted to tell you I am praying for you.
I believe you are anointed to lead this generation back to the truth.
Carry on, sir.
15 mins after. Already nearly 6k.
It's hard to listen to your continuous onslaught of ideas, because every other statement that you make, my mind keeps running down that road and expanding on what you're saying---- but then you immediately shift gears onto another direction and I lose focus on what you're saying because I'm still think through the last thought you said. lol... This is why DISCUSSION can be so much more absorbable to watch.
Free speach to Totalitarians is like Kryptonite to Superman.
It must be protected.
The U.S. Constitution must be upheld by all. It must be protected like your freedom and life depends on it, because it does.
Your argument for free speech is a little convoluted and it needs to be thought through and simplified. You're saying that we must have free speech as a necessity for a functional society. Well China doesn't have free speech, yet they are progressing at an intensely accelerated rate and will likely pass the US and become the world leader in the next 30 years or so... So there must be more-- and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it after a few long discussions of deducing what it is.
_"I don't think there's any difference between free speech and thought"_
Simple, on point, and extremely true.
Yep, it's a feedback loop.
Only the mode of expression is different. It's just thinking out loud, really. Making noises with your vocal cords in order to vocalise your thoughts. It seems so absurd that some people want to be able to control the manner in which other people use their own vocal cords. What sounds they are allowed to produce. Considering that everybody has the option of preventing these sounds from entering their ears by just not stopping to listen. Trying to stop and censor written speech is even more absurd. It is akin to calling the number on a missing person's poster and telling them that you haven't seen them and to stop bothering you already. They're all very enthusiastic victims, is what I'm saying.
@@ivareskesner2019 Haha I like that written speech example. So true. Victim Mentality and I'm sure it's rooted in insecurity and a lack of real identity.
There are considerable differences between free speech and thought...he just doesn't know them, because he has a very limited understanding of philosophy.
@@ivareskesner2019 This, my friend, is the most bizarre comment I have read. It has nothing to do with vocal chords, it's what is said and the political, social, philosophical and legal implications of what is said.
It's poetry: "The entirety of society depends - for it's ability to adapt to the changing horizon of the future - on the free thought of the individuals who compose it." Beautiful.
Brilliant. And to this end…let us speak freely and realize we are strong enough to withstand hearing things we do not like or may seem hurtful. This is the process through which we can actually learn to live together better.
You nailed this, Jordan.
Yet when anybody speaks up against Peterson on his channel they are abused and told to go away...that's not freedom of speech.
This interviewer seems to be inept. If the globalist bankers censor our speech through social media forums, then individuals will start self censoring thoughts. If you continue this for some decades, you will have a form of mind control that can only be dreamed of before technology. To put it simply.
Getting hurt by words and getting hurt by TRUTHS are very different hemispheres.
@@johngawrylash7732 Please elucidate John.
@@johngawrylash7732 So you're one of the 30 dislikes out of 120,000 views? What even were you trying to say that you got your comment removed? Tell us here, we're eager to hear you.
My wife is always asking me "who are you speaking to?" I almost always answer "myself". I find myself verbalizing my internal dialogue from time to time. I suppose living alone for almost twenty years is the cause.
Whenever I have a deep issue at hand with family, or in relation to my small business, I find that I must work throigh it in my head and verbalize the ideas to myself. I do this to find flaws in my approach and then I reformulate the ideas until i'm satified with my conclusion. Sometimes I do this off and on for days until I solve a problem and yes my wife and kids ask the same question. Who are you talking to?
Its not just yourself, the act of thinking about language alone compels existence itself to speak back at you. This "existence" is like a 'being' that permeates experience itself. It is the primordial consciousness, God.
@@proudatheist2042 I’m presuming the man lived alone for twenty years prior to getting married? Which would explain his statement perfectly
Me too, bro! I realized I kept trying to talk with people at times I just needed to process out loud. It’s better for everybody if I can just get alone and talk to myself 😂
I have been talking to myself my whole life as long as I can remember. There is no other voice as comforting as my own.
This man should be protected at all cost. We love Jordan Peterson
It's why some hate him, they know hes right and it eats them alive.
I fear for his safety everyday.
I love and need to search for as many post I can find with him giving a speech, a lecturer, or educating a ignoramus in one second flat, he is my teacher and I'm glad I get to watch him from over here in Australia on CZcams
@@larrytanton5787 And others have differences with him that are legitimate intellectual and philosophical...he doesn't eat them alive, he just depends on his followers to abuse them. He's not as bright as you think he is.
@@Doctor.T.46 Such a disgusting mischaracterisation of the truth, for which you have absolute zero evidence.....
If you've ever actually listened to him
speak, you'd realise that you're not as intelligent as you think you are.
There's such a demand for this guy's ideas that 3 minutes after releasing his video he's got 1.2 THOUSAND views. That's bloody impressive.
10 minutes and it's over 4k. It's refreshing to see there's a thirst for intelligent debate on this platform.
12mins was 5,000 views and 750 likes. Very impressive thank goodness his messages are easily drowning out the woke screeching
15 mins after. Already nearly 6k.
Almost 6 @ 14 mins. Damn!
15 minutes and over 6 thousand. That's 1000 people every 3 minutes. Around the world, because here's one from Spain. His ideas are necessary for all the western world. It's going down.
I watched the whole interview, it was just as compelling as this clip. I try to watch all this man's videos. I never want to stop learning or bettering myself.
Best one yet probably, I’m gonna have to watch it again because my mind goes off thinking and I forget to pause.
Where did you watch it?
Nvm, Found it by searching for Hoover Institute
Dr. Peterson's videos about psychology, philosophy and politics are spot on.
I am greatly thankful for him for having the courage to call out how scary all this Neo Marxist ( Woke ) garbage is.
However , I think he misses the ball with economics .
For economics , suggest listening to Michael Hudson and reading up on what Ha Joon Chang , Thomas Pitikky
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In a nut shell , in the 1970's , the era known as stagflation gave snake oil sales men the excuse to say the Keynesian economics doesn't work , so they ushered in the great fraud of Neo Liberal " economics. "
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Jordan Peterson doesn't lie. If you don't like what he says, so be it, but he doesn't, he won't lie. If only I could trust our elected officials the way I trust Dr. Peterson.
Do you know if he’s commented on Canada’s recent proposal to make h***caust denial illegal? I haven’t seen him acknowledge it, which seems a bit strange.
@@kiwe3546 I would hazard a guess he would be against it becoming a law, as having general Free-speech allows idiots to expose themselves rather effectively and expediently.
@@tiredtyrant370 I'm just wondering if anyone has seen him address it. It seems he hasn't, which is strange... ya know, being a free speech absolutist and all.
@@tiredtyrant370 it allows idiots to congregate and think they are not idiots and then they can organize and take power.......
@eddy waynewright To anyone who isn't a complete idiot, the meaning of that claim is "I didn't sleep PROPERLY for 40 days straight". Your dishonesty shines bright here, given that Dr. Peterson immediately clarified what he meant. Why don't you go find the FULL QUOTE and post it here instead of taking one sentence out of context and calling that an argument?
"The word that is truthful is the word that extracts habitable order out of chaos."
Memorable quote, Dr. Peterson.
What does this mean in ur own words
@@jakequanstrom7580 I would say that it means only with the truth can you reliably and successfully plan out for the future.
If your thoughts/words/goals/ideals are based on falsehoods, then your plans will fail when they crash against reality.
This is from Genesis and John 1. This is the agency of God and how we “image” our Creator. He, and we, bring order from chaos. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.”
@@edisontrent618
what type of Truth are we talking about here?
Subjective or Objective Truth?
forgive me, but it seems JP is more interested in how to make people feel better about their lives (which is not necessarily a bad thing) even if that is going to warrant him use any Idiosyncratic dogma/religious creed/culture etc as the basis of his arguments.
If he was raised a Moslem or from some other religious group, He would use the texts of those religions (regardless of their falsehood).
He "reads meaning" into religious texts (almost exclusively the Christian texts) and bases a theory on that derived meaning.
In conclusion, I think JP only sees value in those philosophical, scientific or religious ideas that can directly improve human suffering.
@@steven5054 It's not because you don't get it that it is a word salad. It is a comment on the difference between what we assume things to be and what they really are. If we tell ourselves that something is one way, but in fact it is another, we'll act upon it and the result will be more "chaos". If what we believe to be true matches the real essence of things, and our actions are in accord with it, then we can make some sense of the world, do well or even thrive.
I hope you will be thriving too, one day.
My siblings and I were brought up not being allowed to speak freely and to have to agree with lies. It is absolutely true that it is devastating and crippling.
This is now my favorite presentation on Free Speech. I've read entire books on the subject in the past; but as a rationale: why free speech is essential, nothing beats this.
Read John Milton's Areopagitica. It's technically about a free press, but the underlying theme is freedom of thought and expression of that thought.
@@stefanlaskowski6660 I can't reproduce the argument in Milton in less than 2 minutes, as I can with Peterson's argument. In the past, I tried to justify free-speech using Enlightenment ideas like fairness & justice. I assumed other people had my concepts of fairness & justice. But the right & modern left don't. I think Jordan Peterson's argument will work with everyone.
I used to quite like Christopher Hitchens talk on the subject as one if my favorite talks of all time, but while it still contains many useful and accurate well made points, there are parts of it that now make me cringe pretty hard. I'd still give it a listen though if you haven't heard it. But yeah this feels better now, and is about 1/4th the length which is more easily passed on.
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Free speech is ok when it totally destroys someone life and you think that is ok
Jordan Peterson is a lighthouse of wisdom on an island in a foggy sea of lies and people who want to constrict the voices of those who oppose their false opinions. He truly has been a role model to young people like me.
He's a role model to all ages. :)
And older guys like me!
besides topic but it struck me that he looks like old Raul Menendez from Black Ops.
@@lagiles16 of course
Johnny Cash called it: "A flower of light in a field of darkness" --
It’s free speech til someone disagrees with you and tries to silence you and make you look like a villain!!
Pete
YES. It's fun to try to get these one line TROLLS to get them to explain there words ( your wrong)
OK so you think I'm wrong, explain your thoughts. I will listen. Or what I got when I said the First Amendment gives everyone a right to comment. The response I got back was (they earned there right to the First Amendment) WTF kind of return comment. How do you earn your Right to the First Amendment, written in the Constitution of a Free Country. I responded and asked tell me how you did that. No response so far. Maybe I just got them to think a little. Instead of everyone else just swearing at the commenter. There are so many on comment section that write a few words comments. That say nothing. Don't explain how they got there. Do they love having someone just text back mean words. To me it make's no sense that all they now is getting a nasty comment back, no real debate. Myself expect texters to me to explain for example why they are RIGHT and what I text, in there mind is WRONG. I will always listen. Some of these idiots have said after a few texts.( I'm going to report you) WHY I ask, because I asked YOU to explain were you came to your WORDS, not MINE. They are the ones saying they are RIGHT ok explain that. Silent or going to report you. Plus the spelling grammar teacher. Insult you on your spelling I always ask myself they somehow were still able to read it.
Is that what commenting has come too. Thank you for your thoughts.
That's still free speech provided it isn't lawful silencing by a major power. There is nothing wrong with another person pointing out flaws in your thinking and making you to be a villain. That is their own free speech
@@rorybessell8280
Absolutely darn right. Free speech. First Amendment in great Document. And you don't need to earn it. It your birth right, as a free American, thank you.
Lgbt community in a nutshell
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What a truth Mr Peterson stated when he said that we all need to be heard. Children who grow up without opportunities to be heard can become adults with no sense of self.
how about the opportunity to freely express themselves?
The future must be founded on your principles or there will be no future at all. Thank you Dr. Peterson.
It's not his principles
@@hisky. the principles he is affirming. There...
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The explanation of thought is incredibly well expressed.
I wish he’d write an essay regarding his points and arguments for free speech.
@@akhiltrc9708 He has, and it was destroyed by the intellectuals, that's why he comes on CZcams...not many intellectuals to confront.
@@Doctor.T.46 Case in point. Do you live here, whining about Doctor Peterson constantly?
@@zacwarsteiner5840 No, it's my contribution to the debate. Like Peterson I have free time...he uses his free time to run this channel and sell merchandise, I use my free time to hold him accountable...my contribution to freedom of speech. I thought you lot were advocating that.
@@zacwarsteiner5840 Your 'whining' is my intelligent contribution. It's semantics Zac.
Jordan Peterson is someone the Greeks would have made statues of.
The Greatest Western Thinker of Modern day Era. Blessed are those who have an open ear.
Let’s do it! Let’s make a statue of the man not as an idol, but as an example for future generations.
Or they would have forced him to drink hemlock.
@@jez4900 probably both
I love how he's always in teacher mode. Even when sitting in a table with an interviewer, all his answers are directed at the people present.
@@kaivogel253 Okay friend. Would you care to tell me one lie and one conspiracy theory he has spread ? Thank you
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Communication, innovation, inspiration and cooperation wouldn't exist without free speech. To limit speech is to limit the possibilities.
One of the greatest!
Free thought, otherwise we’ll encounter a world where there’s thought crimes.
That's the world being built right now... The State WANTS this even Desires it. The State wants zero friction between the populace and its leaders and to cultivate this they need a public that will agree without thought to everything they do.
Satan at work. God help us
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The importance of Free Speech its not self-evident but Professor Peterson describes it in a compelling way and you can follow his logic very clearly as he speaks. I really like the fact that he uses realistic analogies like examples from his own life to illustrate his point
Gotta love haters some of these comments about him getting hooked on benzo or that he's not as smart as people think... If thats your thoughts kool your miserable cause your missed the point completely he's a voice of a) communicational intelligence that trying to stop silencing and power that's held my certain leaders and media but mainly b) genuine guy that cares about those that are in the struggle and can't get it going.. he's very emotionally invested in helping those people rise... For those with the addiction comment what's not to like he proves he's own words with action he didn't wait months years he got help after the drug ran its proper use. Then got better back to work.... For those on here who say his books point out the obvious ya no shit that's the point people forgot how to find there way in this type lifestyle these days and he writes for example ( make your bed maybe lean your then your house before criticizing the ones of other...... Haha yet comments say it's obvious it's so damn obvious there on here criticizing I guess those who are must be next level humans that never lied never failed never make mistakes never hurt never felt emotion. Cause if you did you wouldn't be pulling out on context and pretending you know this man. Everyone who does will tell how deep his soul goes and how much care n empathy he has for others before himself
Well said
If it is not self-evident then how did humans become of this if not through the self?
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1. One can think. 2. One's thoughts are either kept to one's self, or expressed. 3. Either you have a right to express yourself (freedom of speech) or you don't. 4. The only way to improve your life, and potentially that of others, is by expressing your thoughts so that they can be examined and critiqued and refuted or accepted.
Karlos TJ Sadly a lot of people just want to have their thoughts to be accepted, trauma bonding is very popular these days..only my kind of people, only good vibes are trending
@@mikefozzer6415 I wonder if, in this country, that relates to the "everyone's a winner" philosophy. If a child believes his or her thoughts are correct, then everyone else must accept them no matter what.
« If it’s not free it’s not thought »💭 🔥🔥 🧠 you create a very necessary balance in the intellectual world … we are all smoothly drifting into the kind of world we pretend to avoid by cancelling people every time they make us feel uncomfortable with a point of view . We weaponize words in order to silence each other and that is dangerous
But Peterson's followers try to silence those who appear here and disagree with him .... hypocritical.
After weaponizing ideals to butcher ideas it was the only logical conclusion. And I agree, it's very dangerous.
Weapon and battle is natural too. It's the gov control and punish that is not natural. Gov is and should be like a referee, not part of the fight. But they are no longer referees.
@@Doctor.T.46 You are posting what more do you want where have you been silenced?
@@ruthnovena40 Thanks for asking Ruth. What happens usually, is that people argue with me, then they insult me, that they become abusive. All of these are intended to prevent my free speech by using intimidation.
This argument was basically how Jordan became a household name internationally. When he said he opposed compelled speech, he really meant it.
@@kaivogel253 If it was a private conversation how did he find out about it?
@@kaivogel253 You are clueless. A university was in the process of censoring a graduate teaching assistant. They were in the motions of disciplining her for showing a Jordan Peterson clip, with the professors abusing their authority whilst comparing him to Hitler. This was hardly a private conversation between a group of friends. Academics cannot just use defamatory remarks to censor the work of other academics.
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We are so damn incredibly lucky to have this man alive and kicking, this is one of the most brilliant persons ive ever known. Thanks God for Jordan Peterson!
Freedom of thought is about not taking care of the mentally ill. You are free to be bipolar-schizophrenic etc no healthcare to help you. Why the homeless population is sckyrocketing
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@@kaivogel253 This is about freedom of speech, so just shut up and listen.
The most influential voice in my life, other than my family and close friends.
Never change. Keep on fighting. The world need voices like yours. America needs voices like yours. Common sense is dying. Freedom is trying to be taken away and we need to fight against it. Thank you for being you.
JP, I’m lucky to have stumbled across you in my life. Thanks for your books and wisdoms. These are hanging on my wall in my beautiful home.
Keep fighting the good fight! Massive respect to you.
I have recently discovered this man …I find myself watching more and more
The way he delivers his statements with such intellect
I love how he can talk about controversial topics with ease and without bias in my opinion.
Not scared to lay facts and his thoughts while being respectful
Wow this man is very under appreciated..I’d love to have a convo with this guy about what ever topics come to mind …
"There's no difference between speech and thought. If you're going to have free thought then you must have free speech." Simple, direct, logical.
Thank you Dr Peterson. I wish the rights and freedoms in our country were set in stone, and not a privilege. Greetings from Alberta.
Do you know if Peterson has commented on Canada’s recent proposal to make h***caust denial illegal?
@@kiwe3546 If we cannot write the word 'h0l0c@ust' then it is already illegal, if not in the mostly outdated concept of sovereign nations, but in the very real nations of cyberspace
@@kiwe3546 read, mk ultra, etc. very interesting times for the field of mental health medicine, not yet reckoned with the horrors of over prescribing, programs,and workplace cultural detritus of horrific, to strange to believe programs like mk ultra, over prescribing, insurers financing / tinkering with human rights jurisprudence (Etc).
@@entombedlamb5356 Do you know if Peterson has commented on Canada’s recent proposal to make h***caust denial illegal though?
@@BearbearbearbearbearbearRarrrr Do you know if Peterson has commented on Canada’s recent proposal to make h***caust denial illegal though?
The whole point of thought or having a thought is to share and communicate. Imagine where we would be if inventors kept their thoughts to themselves. 🤔
I never realized this, but the process of thinking uses the exact same format as the process of communication. Idea formation, encoding, channel selection, decoding, and feedback, in that order. It's the exact same. Respect from GA Dr. Peterson!
As a linguist, I was taught that speech is a symptom of thought. If you CAN speak it, you are able to think it. When you think it you SHOULD be able to speak it. Otherwise your thoughts are shackled to what words you can and cannot use. It becomes intellectual captivity. I'm for total language freedom.
I know how restrictions seeped in: In a theater you shouldn't be able to yell things that upset people because kids get trampled in a stampede. And online, some extremist groups were recruiting people. But online, there is no physical contact. There is only linguistic contact. Here you should be able to speak whatever you want. If you commit a crime by your communication, then the police should arrest you like with any other crime. But it has to be a law that you break not some company's terms of service.
I think there is zero need for content moderation. If I can't access and abuse your personal data, I cannot physically hurt you, no matter what mean things I say to you. If I do access your data and abuse it, that is a crime and again it's a police matter. All internet communication should be the same as if you were shouting out the window to your room. Each of us should just stick to closing our own windows or using the mute button if we don't like what you have to say.
Proverbs 8
This is why I’ve always loved shows like QandA, because it allows for opposing sides to ‘engage’ with each other and try and sort out the world through dialogue.
If only people weren’t forced to the extremes of their views with all the echo chambers out there, it makes it very difficult to reconsider something which has become a sacred value to someone because everyone is CONVINCED of their opinion.
amazingly humble, sharp and eloquent.
thank you JP for everything you doing together with all of us. 😀👍🙏
I have always been amazed by your verbal competence and honest desire to search for the truth. It has been something that I have tried, and will keep on trying to apply to myself as well. Please keep up the good work and keep on standing up straight with your shoulders back for as long as you can. I honestly do hope to meet you in person someday. Nothing but respect and admiration all the way from Ethiopia👏.
So true. As I was asking my husband what I should do about something, the answer popped in my head before I finished the question.
I thought the same thing immediately. This is why people go to therapy. We have to talk about our lives and we come to our own conclusions. Peterson is saying that we have to talk to each other about our collective lives so we can come to conclusions. Apply this to what just happened with discussions surrounding masking and the vaccines. We will look back on the last 2 years with disgust.
I agree these last 2 years have fucked with people. At first is was nice to see people come together and look after each other but then after a couple months it went very nasty and ruthless towards people that did not agree with the common train of thought, it got worse and worse until i think people realised what we were desling with. The problem wasnt just the virus but the people in charge too.
Mr Peterson you made me smile and laugh this time with your description of how a question appears inside us, we ask it to ourselves, and then we answer it ourselves, and why did we have to ask in the first place since we apparently already have the answer (I hope I didn’t misrepresent what you said and meant) - it’s hilarious when thinking about it. Humans…we are extraordinarily weird and amazing😆☺️
You had to ask it because you hadn't thought about it before. Often you will then have to say your answer to other people to see how close you are to the mark.
@@WoWisdeadtome you didn't get it. Try again later
I mean asking the question is part of the processes of answering it. We aren't born with all the answers to all questions and haphazardly ask ourselves things we already know...
I’m not saying we don’t need to ask ourselves questions; as a comparison it’s also, and often even more so, clarifying to say it out loud, hear the words, the answer may come to us almost instantly when we do. What I’m saying is that this was fantastically funny, and I am, as so many other times, impressed with Peterson’s ability to express himself - it’s not often he makes me laugh this much though 😆☺️
It’s fascinating…..for me it’s the same as when you forget a name or where you were on a specific date……you start searching through your mind and you’ll land on a few names or places and KNOW that they are not right and when you find the RIGHT one you KNOW it. But then that raises the question, who is looking for the information? And if you say, it’s yourself that is looking then how come you KNOW when you’ve found the right answer…….because if you KNOW the right answer you wouldn’t need to look for it. The human experience is mystifying if we give it more than a few minutes thought. Peace 🙏
It should be obvious and common sense for people to need freedom of speech. I don’t understand how someone could be anti free speech. You’ve lost touch with reality if you think we need less freedom to use our voices. It’s very anti-human to be against freedom of speech.
idk, censorships and information hiding are pretty commonly used everywhere. facilitating discussion are a ridiculously poor excuse for doxxing in social media, for example. bot chat spamming are another poor excuse for "free speech". restrictions of buskers (which are included as free speech) are pretty commonplace. feels like that argument is riddled with exceptions.
Thank you!
@@unnamedtheanonymous763 Doxxing is a veiled call to violence and/or harassment and thus shouldn't be considered free speech in the same was as the unveiled versions.
Bots aren't people (assuming it's an actual bot).
The handful of exceptions like these, or cp for example, are just used as a cover for silencing critical information that's damaging to the agenda of the censor, in the same way that non consensual intimacy, familial intimacy, and life of the mother are used as a cover to justify the 98-99% of completely arbitrary fetus deletions that don't remotely fit into those categories.
Folks just want to silence political or ideological opponents and facts or arguments that destroy their case, and pretend they are preventing hate or foreign interference or bots by doing so, when really they are the ones doing all of those things in support of their kwn agenda.
How about I be allowed to choose what I listen and subscribe to and you do the same (eliminating unwanted bots), we enforce the laws were they apply (cp and calls to violence including veiled ones like doxxing), and allow people to discuss whatever they want in a self organizing way?
Oh right, because the people with control over the tools want to transparently abuse their power over public discourse to manipulate the public and political outcomes while pretending to be the good guys championing communication while weeding out "hate" (ie whatever/whomever they personally hate).
@@TheJeremyKentBGross To be clear, I'm not defending all censorships, especially the kind you've described. But, I'm simply listing out examples where one should be against the "free speech" argument, in contrast to the main comment questioning what moral and pragmatic grounds one might have to be against "free speech". My argument is that not all acts of spreading information should be inconsequential and ignored by authorities. As you yourself have agreed with, doxxers aren't exonerated because "they're just putting the information out there". Nor are spam botters claims valid when they argue that their bots are simply extensions and amplifiers of their "free speech". Similarly, when the police removes a busker forcefully out of a public space, the police aren't necessarily violating the busker's "freedom of expression". All 3 should be obvious, moral, and pragmatic examples why one would be against "free speech".
@@unnamedtheanonymous763 I think the problem is that our definition of what free speech is does not appear to be the same.
I don't know who is making the arguments that you are fighting against, but they don't seem to understand free speech either. Or they are bad actors trying to abuse the concept.
Not sure of the definition of buskers (on the phone, will look it up later), but police breaking up protests is only valid where the protesters are being violent and/or preventing people from getting through where they need to. There definitely appears to be double standards for different political factions on how that is handled and interpreted.
He is a national treasure that Canada is not deserving of…they do not appreciate the majesty of this man’s intellect. It is the same with Thomas Sowell in the United States. He is a national treasure that the broad body politic does not recognize as the fantastic intellect that he is.
I would have loved to have Mr. Peterson as one of my professors when I was in college. He talks about great truths, his talks make me proud to be 50% 🇨🇦 🇺🇲
Ha! I often wish I could have had a father like Dr. Peterson! I'm not bemoaning my childhood nor would I want to change where I'm at now in life (well at least not the family I've made) but I would have loved to have been able to learn the things I've learned from him earlier in life. I spent far too long pitying my lot in life rather than making the most of it & I know now that it didn't have to be that way. I give Dr. Peterson a great deal of credit for that for helping not just me but my husband too.
Dr. Peterson speaks most persuasively to people who are ready to receive what he has to say. I tell myself that I would have developed into a different, better person if I'd had the benefit of his lectures/insights when I was younger. Well, maybe. But not necessarily. "Timing is everything" is an overstatement, but not far off the mark. There were times in my life when I wouldn't have understood Dr. Peterson, and other times when I would have ignored him. Rather than regretting the lack of Dr. Peterson in my past life, my time is better spent listening to him and promoting him every chance I get.
@@tooleyweeds I would say he also speaks with intelligent and a true compassion for people, many of the things this world is in need of now.
@Patty M I think many people would have appreciated the teachings of Professor Peterson earlier in life, myself included. I'm grateful He can share his knowledge with the world today.
Look up Martin Butler
I thought it was obvious that free thought and free speech were the same?
If people don't realise this then that explains a hell of a lot to me.
They are the same thing just worded differently, its kinda baffling that people get so confused by this
i think you will find that most people who wont make this connection between free speech and thought because they live duplicitous lives
they think completely different things to how they act and behave in public
so to them, having their words restricted is no different to what they already do to themselves within society
the rest probably just never considered it
Peter Robinson just sitting back like... I love this interview... Such a great interaction. Thank you all
Wow, Jordan just made me think about something I've never even considered before. He just explained why we describe people who say silly things as 'someone who speaks before thinking.
What I have a problem with is people in suits assuming they have the right to control my though and behaviour. I'll die before I allow it to happen
The interesting thing about the time in which we live is that those 'people in suits' employ people in tents in major cities to enforce your compliance outside of normal channels
Do you know if Peterson has commented on Canada’s recent proposal to make h***caust denial illegal?
I think you summed it up pretty well in your response to Griffin, bless her opportunistic and sneaky heart - _'In order to be able to think, we have to risk being offensive'._ And we certainly have no right to inflict our sensitivities on everybody else when we can simply not engage at all. Ignore. Keep walking. Not stop and get offended. But keep walking. Or engage in a constructive manner and actually try to understand a contrary opinion. God forbid we should understand those we disagree with.
So someone who disagrees with him has to be sneaky and opportunistic, not worthy. What happened to your free speech...or is just for those that agree with you?
@@Doctor.T.46 Op passing judgement on Griffin is free speech, and he can say and form the opinions he wants, you talk as though he said she shouldn't be allowed to say or ask whatever..
@@Doctor.T.46 I wasn't questioning her right to have conducted herself the way she did. I was sharing a personal position on the way she did it.
And it has nothing to do with disagreement. It has to do with a consistent effort to make caricature version straw men out of every single topic they discussed. That woman was having an argument with herself. Creating her own narratives and then trying to dismantle them. This is what prime time gaslighting looks like...And still I support her right to do so, even if I disagree with her method. We need this types of clear juxtaposition of common sense and obvious bullshit. People watched and people saw immediately through it. It was a win for common sense. The more people present such clearly manufactured objections, the louder the voice of reason will sound.
@@ivareskesner2019 You're right people shouldn't be rude..but have you ever seen Peterson being dismissive, using strawman arguments and gaslighting...I have.
@@Doctor.T.46 I've seen him lose his temper and in the process his train of thought. And then try to recover it best he can while still trying to maintain some momentum. That sometimes may look a bit clumsy but you have to keep in mind that this is during situations where he is alone, surrounded by cameras and a crowd of frowning people with nothing but his wits to hold onto. He's performing extremely well considering the pressure he's under. That said. I can't say I've ever seen him gaslight, though. That I haven't.
How profound is that! Thank you Dr. Peterson for sharing the findings of your brilliant mind with us.
Thank you Jordan! God Bless you. Stay strong, the world and the people need you.
Even if someone disagrees with his opinions I don’t understand how anyone can not like this man.
He is such a calm and respectful conversationalist and whether you agree with him or not you can learn an immeasurable amount of things from him
You can’t understand how people like Joe Biden and his party who want to control your thoughts and enslave you for their own personal gain don’t like this man?
@@Lukasafer You misspelled enemies. It should read:
"Their enemies distort their words to justify them being @$$holes, and to stir up others to cause them hatred and trouble."
Free speech, free thought, freedom to express, freedom to disagree - is the most important thing we have!!!!
Too bad alot of westerners are willing to throw that in the gutter.
Do you know if Peterson has commented on Canada’s recent proposal to make h***caust denial illegal?
Christ.. you can always get something of value by watching Jordan! Thank you! 🙏
Thank you all you do, teach, stand for.
I just LOVE the way JBP thinks. He is a true gift to this world and is just so sad that many cannot see it, but seek to attack instead!
by attacking hum they prove his importance
@@johannesschmitz6370 .... Agreed :) It is always interesting to see those who go out of their way, to discredit or otherwise cause harm to one with whom the disagree.
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The problem has become that descriptor of "evil" has been hijacked to apply such moniker to one who simply has an opposing opinion. This just speaks to how incredibly fragile a relatively small amount of the people have become. Those people have successfully infiltrated ALL of big tech, Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media and more than just a handful of VERY large companies.
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They turn their sites on instilling fear of MASS negative societal repercussions, for NOT bending the knee to their "tolerance" of opinions. As we have been hearing for a number of years now..."Go WOKE... go broke!" is finally beginning to hit home and companies like Disney, Netflix and even Twitter, are starting to feel those societal repercussions. However, it was NOT what they were led to believe, but they stupidly viewed the Twitter Outrage Mob as real life!
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They all are finding out the VERY expensive way.... they are not!
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Peace, Johannes :)
Look up Martin Butler
@@pirupami9746 ... I see he is / was a writer. Do you think him comparable, a better source or additional source to what JBP offers?
Perhaps as an additional source, though i don't think anyone on this platform will ever be comparable and much less better than JBP in any of his topic discussions.
Free speech is freedom
God bless this man. He speaks so clearly that I understand it all. It’s like he can talk to something deeper in us all
Brilliant. Simply brilliant. And such a sweet spirit. What a blessing to hear truth
That is by far the best explanation of free speech I have ever heard! No free speech then no free thinking. Brilliantly argued!
Jordan Peterson is such a great teacher. I love listening to him.
Peter Robinson is the greatest interviewer on planet earth. The guests get the attention (naturally) but man! Peter really deserves some love too! I have never seen a bad interview with Peter Robinson.
He gives his guests space to breath & speak freely...and peppers in an interesting question to keep the conversation moving forward. It really is an underappreciated skill - especially in modern days, where every interviewer is trying to tailor a narrative.
I am very grateful for both of these guys. Between the two of them, they have provided me with HUNDREDS of hours of premium quality content.
When you realize that it’s not just a right but something fundamental to being human. A world where you cannot share thoughts with other human beings can be compared to living a life in stagnant pond water. Humans can’t live and thrive without it and life simply wouldn’t be able to go on. This also proves why so many companies and organizations have fallen and failed over the past few decades. Challenge every situation where you feel you’re being silenced. State your truths and the answers in your thoughts. They aren’t there for nothing. Being agreeable to falseness is far off of being virtuous, and, as I’ve seen in my own life, causes suffering for people that come after you. “Don’t rock the boat” they tell you. I say have some self respect and be someone who moves things along in this world, for yourself and for the respect of others that come after you. But hey, to comfort those who have to suffer because people before you never took action - hang in there. Be the person who creates a better world for others. You’ve made it this far because you’re capable, strong, and chosen to make a change.
And in the animal kingdom, we have to believe they do not have individual or independent thought so that we can wantonly use them for our own purposes.
Speaking of virtues, it is an act of temperance to speak the truth in the face of opposition or censorship. Its cowardice to give in, and you die inside every time you do so as its your choosing to give up in what you hold dear.
@@rogerc23 The independent thinking animal is usually the predator, not the prey. Humans don't normally eat the predators, but we do generally eat what the predator animals would eat.
@@Derideo Interesting take. My point is really that humans are capable of any sort of psychotic destruction. The human mind can justify anything, anything. The next step for Marxist after starving people of speech is usually just murdering them. One way to do that is just accuse them of not thinking like you, or thinking against the collective. Then it becomes perfectly acceptable to slaughter millions.
@@rogerc23 Ah, yes. Indeed. I remember the old soviet "mental hospitals".
I love the way this guy has an ability to have a conversation and work out possible answers to His deep thoughts with Himself and a room full of people simultaneously. It's as if He's talking to you but not talking to you at the same time
In these times, this man is a hero to humanity.
@@steven5054 those young men are the future of humanity.
@@kaivogel253 osmosis
Look up Martin Butler
Always considered myself to be a lefty but I can’t believe how much I appreciate the opportunity to be able to listen to Mr. Peterson. My son has introduced me to his thought and intellectual genius. I don’t agree with everything he says but this man is so good at all he does. I’m disgusted with the treatment he takes and I have no clue why anyone would want to silence him? I know it’s just my opinion and I’m no more important than the next fella but I just appreciate my chance to be able to hear his wisdom!
6:14 a great definition for respect. Been pondering on how to break it down, and this fits.
There is not one single soul on this planet that doesn't have 'free speech'. Every single person is free to say whatever they want, whenever they want and to whomever they want.
It's what happens to the free-speaker AFTER they've freed their speech that differs, but they still spoke freely.
By expressing our thoughts into conversation is a way to reach useful ideas quickly, by sharing experinces and points of view we can become better, we can separate the right from the wrong. With cnsorship we are not allowed to be wrong so we don't have any chance to ever improve.
Well said
Very much well said.
Yes, indeed. Spot on! It's like being under the rule of guardians your whole life. It's terribly destructive. It's how the Left wants us to live
Love u Jordan... thank you for you labour and exhausting way of life, just to make us understand about so many things... thank you!. I have your latest 2 books. They are diamond.
Cheers from Chile 🇨🇱
Thank you for saving me
Much love and support from Texas, Jordon!
Man do I wish I had him as a professor in college…..
The ones you had don't seem to have been effective.
@@Doctor.T.46 based on what?
@@jerryvalentino1065 Simply the way that you expressed the view that you wished you'd had him as a lecturer without explaining why...my undergraduates are taught critical analysis and the ability to justify comments first. You didn't do that. Hence my comment.
@@Doctor.T.46 where do you teach? Also do you think the majority of professors teaching in college today teach and think like this gentleman? In my experience the answer would be a resounding no
@@jerryvalentino1065 I teach in a UK university. I'm glad to say that my colleagues don't teach like him. They don't take refuge on CZcams, and prefer to make contact with students face to face, encouraging questions and critical analysis. Peterson doesn't do that...he is dismissive of questions because he lacks the expertise. He propounds views on philosophy, science, politics medicine etc etc...none of which he has qualifications in. Simply put, he wouldn't get a job in a UK university...Great as a guest speaker but no job.
Wonderful characterization of human thought and freedom of speech!
Do you know if Peterson has commented on Canada’s recent proposal to make h***caust denial illegal?
@@kiwe3546 Not recent, been functionally illegal in Canada since the 90's. They're looking at making it more official but check out the case of Ernst Zündel.
@Katanamaster V Do you know if Peterson has commented on the recent proposal? It seems like he’s been oddly silent about it.
@@kiwe3546 No idea if he has commented on it but I suspect not, there is only downside in fighting that fight and very little of the public would back him. None of that is meant as a knock at him regarding freedom of speech as I think if he had unlimited power he would not stop discourse on that topic but spending his energy fighting any such proposals would be a bad use of his energy from his perspective.
@@KatanamasterV You could've just not commented. I'm specifically wondering if anyone has seen him comment on it. He's supposedly a free speech absolutist, but avoids one topic at all costs.
This is absolutely the case! True to the core in everything Jordan Peterson says. Thank God for This Man!
The last sentance is just..... Amazing!
Damnit Jordan, thank you so much for caring about our world and the people in it. I believe individuals like yourself who hold their minds and hearts accountable for passing on their intellect and wisdom within are going to carry our society far into the future. I am literally in tears right now watching and listening to you speak. Please keeping fighting for us, we need you so badly.
Love you, Jordan !
Thank you Doc. I always come back to your videos to contemplate when the world becomes stressful.
Holy crap, you're sitting on the cusp of 5 million subscribers. That's so incredible and amazing and...well I'm so happy about that 😁
People of a nation get the government they deserve, unfortunately. We have become so immoral many of us can’t even see it anymore. A country of virtuous men wouldn’t allow this to happen! Work on yourself and get right with God
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@@Kelly-pp1et all countries. Western nations in this instance
Mr. Peterson sees past or through the constructs of chaos. Enlightening.
Well said.
I'll be honest I hardly understood a damn thing you said but, I think I got the gist of it.
The combination of such a vast variety of words you used made it difficult to comprehend the message but
I think I understand the majority of what you said, and man I can't really put into words how happy it
makes me for someone to be able to take some of the things I think and firstly, put them into words and secondly
expand on it. Thank you JP it means a lot.
Thank you Mr. Peterson. And thank you for also teaching us to listen.
This made me realize something, when I’m well, I don’t think in thoughts, I think in feelings. Impressions. Thinking ‘in thoughts’ that hard work, as Jordan alludes to with ‘a problem’, only really happens when I’m deeply troubled or depressed and as my goals and principles are properly ordered, I’m not sure it’s particularly helpful. That’s just me as I tend towards rumination though and it tends to prohibit action.
This is an interesting comment.
Isn't this the bully that got bullied and started crying on Twitter and said he won't use Twitter anymore 😭😭😭
I Fully Agree. Perfectly Articulated And Spot On Correct. Well Done
I love what he has to say and how he says it.
Well done, beautifully said!
"The only thing that is more difficult than contending forthrightly with existence, ...is the failure to do so" - Jordan Peterson 🤯😊
(in the full interview version at 45:54)
I am nauseated by anything from the left or MSM.
But I am also proud that it CAN BE expressed, and it emboldens me to counter.
Man, Mr. Peterson is just a gift that keeps on giving. Good job, as for the ones who don't like to handle the truth, well....
I am always in awe when I listen to the depth of information and intelligence that Jordan Peterson can express.
I know it seems that way, but a lot of this knowledge is trivial derived, after a shit ton of reading, it's similar to learning writing proof, once you get the technique down, it's not really a display of inteligence, it's mostly axiomatic logic. I do believe he is somewhat intelligent.
@@liviu445 But your type of intelligence is developed by carefully ignoring all that has been learned and sticking your head up your arse and judging others from that exalted position.
Hearing this clear, precise explanation of how an inner dialogue works (including the explicit statement that universities are supposed to help you to develop that ability) likely did more to help me understand my own thought processes than all my time at a major university.
I’ve spent some time wondering lately if I’ve forgotten how to think, since, in an attempt to be “well-informed”, a large portion of my learning consists of watching people debate, and I’ve noticed that when I try to think on my own it’s as if two people in my head are trying to come up with arguments against each other. I hadn’t noticed that inner debate so explicitly until recently, so it’s nice to hear that that’s how thinking should work, or that it’s not just my mind mirroring what it sees as I give it too much external stimulation.
I've been feeling similar. I realized I listen and follow people, and think oh, I like them or I like what they said. But then I realized, I was not thinking. I need to think. Why? Why do I feel that way about an issue etc.
Wow ,this is great in every dimension you look at it. Jordan Peterson has really helped me straighten out my thinking process. Am always listening to his messages whenever am travelling and as a result my speech has improved a great deal! Lots of love from Kenya to Jordan Peterson.
I really though I was developing a split personality due to debate training in college. I now appreciate how multi-internal avatars is a recognized concept for thought grappling/self-conflicting analysis.
Now, I better consult with a few psychology and councilor acquaintances to be sure.
I see with time he is doing better and better and also has a better look. I a so happy to have him back.
Its sad that we come so far behind in development that we have to discuss WHAT YOU CAN SAY OR NOT.
I love you Dr. Peterson. Thank you for all you wisdom and guidance in these crazy times. You are a national treasure and an incredible role model
Jordan, you have helped me immensely and I appreciate you so much I cannot even explain. Thank you 😁
Rewinded that first phrase about 7 times. This man doesn't cease to amuse me.