The Demise of Oakland Coliseum
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- Oakland Coliseum was once an entertainment hub, but now it represents the downfall of the East Bay's sports identity.
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0:43 Oakland's Golden Age of Sport
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4:12 Beginning of the End
5:56 Future Plans
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As a kid who grew up in Minnesota, The Coliseum holds a special place in my heart. Going to indoor baseball my early years, then having my dad take me to Oakland on a business trip and my first experience in an outdoor park was magical. I feel bad for Athletics fans.
Oajland ghetto don't miss it suckers
I think it is more on the owner than the city. The owner is a billionaire and won’t put up his own money to help build a new ballpark, but would buy land in Vegas to build a stadium there. I still don’t get why the owner of the A’s would not fund more of a new stadium in Oakland. They could be good in Vegas, but not sure if Vegas will be a MLB hotspot.
I had season tickets for the raiders man that stadium was old but man it had that old school style that no one has anymore!!! Going to miss the stadium when the lights go out 😢
As a former season ticket holder for the Niners, I feel your pain. Candlestick was an old and outdated stadium, but it had character, something that Levi's Stadium lacks. While it is a nice stadium, the design of Levi's is just too sterile for my taste. I surely do miss all of the little quirks of The Stick.
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Seriously, really awesome videos and very interesting. Keep it up and it will grow for sure
The irony is the fact that the Raiders moved to LV due to the A’s. The Raiders wanted to redevelop the Coliseum Site, but were basically blocked by the A’s when Oakland decided to extend their lease and make them the primary Tennant of the Coliseum under the agreement that the team would stay In Oakland. The A’s squatted on the lease which basically kept the Raiders from redeveloping the site ultimately frustrated with the situation the Raiders relocated to LV. Now the A’s when the City and county were ready to hash out the final details on the Howard Terminal site ( literally a week away from the negotiations summit) A’s ownership pulled out, blind siding the city and announced they are planning on moving to LV down the street from the Raiders. Now the city is not without fault the politics in California are lined with red tape, but every ask the A’s had the City met. The cost of the Howard Terminal deal kept rising because the A’s wanted to build commercial, residential and retail space around the site (like the Braves). Oakland has stated if the A’s just wanted a stadium, shovels would already be in the ground. I still don’t get how all the sticking points in Oakland magically don’t matter in LV. Ultimately it comes down to cheap ownership. The Warriors, Rams and now clippers had no issues building new stadiums in California. I’m still holding out and hoping the LV deal falls through and the team is sold to Joe Lacob. I still think a team in LV would be great but rather an expansion team rather than rewarding a cheap owner that purposely drove a franchise into the ground.
I’m a giants fan, but baseball just isn’t baseball without Oakland.
What? 😂😂
All I will know in my life is the Bart connection. Damn, all the memories others have had on that train ride.
As a Texan, Oakland was a great trip.
Oakland once had these major league teams-the A's,Raiders,the Golden State Warriors and the California Golden Seals. With the Warriors returning
back to San Francisco, the Raiders in Las Vegas and the A's likely joining
them, Oakland could become the first city in California to have all its team
relocated. (P.S. In 1967, when the NHL came to the Bay Area, there was a
team called the Oakland Seals. In 1970, A's owner Charlie Finley bought
the Seals and renamed them the California Golden Seals. He unsuccessfully wanted the players to wear white skates. The Seals suffered in the box office in the Oakland Coliseum and on the ice.
After eight unsuccessful seasons, the Seals moved to Cleveland
and were rebranded as the Barons. The franchise died in 1977.)
No, there was a Pacific Hockey League team called the San Francisco Seals, who played at the Cow Palace, in the late 1950s to late 60s that, when invited to the NHL, moved to Oakalnd. Even the Raiders played their first two seasons in San Francisco, at Kezar Stadium and Candlestick Park well before it was expanded. And the Warriors played in San Francisco from the time it left Philadelphia in 1962 until 1971, when ownership, who had for five seasons played in both towns, decided just to play in Oakland.
the character of still being called the Coliseum is amazing and yes, that seating addition was NASTY
I’m a giants fan, sf born and raised. But I want to go to one last A’s game before they leave. The bay bridge series is a staple of our teams, and it won’t feel right without our neighbors across the bat
Rivalries are what it's all about - hope you make it over for a game
As a San Diego fan and native, I feel your pain Oakland. No fan deserves to lose their team. Chargers/Raiders rivalry will also never be the same. ❤😢😞🙏
I like how us San Diegans probably have the most sympathy for Oakland because we know what can happen if we lose our team
I still don't understand why the Chargers and Clippers want to share stadiums in LA vs have their own region in San Diego.
@@marcvslicinivscrassvs7536 money and probably a bigger metro area I’d assume
@@marcvslicinivscrassvs7536LA will always provide more potential revenue than San Diego will, unfortunately
@@marcvslicinivscrassvs7536I agree the Clippers should have moved to San Diego and the Chargers should have stayed in San Diego. L.A really has a appetite for just Lakers, Dodgers and Rams...maybe Angels at times
Nostalgic emotions are real, but Oakland got the A's bc at one time it was an attractive destination. Not anymore. Businesses don't want to jump through 1,000 hoops in order to do business. The "downtown" model is dead when your city does not control crime & actually appeases the criminals. LV will control crime near the strip because they know people need to feel safe.
it will be 3 stadiums within walking distance.. in Vegas. That will give vegas 4 pro teams and 2 minors plus a free tram from downtown to the strip to all stadiums.
@@4theloveoflife you mention minors…. Chances are the LV minor league team will be relocating… MLB doesnt like having ML and AAA right next to each other…. AA maybe
This.
Vegas also has the casinos. Oakland is not a bad city I would say, just not as wealthy as other CA cities.
Well you can just change the definition of crime and it goes away. Oakland decriminalization drugs, Nevada decriminalization prostitution. No sanctioned drug trucks cruising the Oakland downtown streets though, unlike the Strip's trucks for the girls.
I’m doing a job in Stockton in 2023 and have been going to A’s game once a week tickets are usually 10-15$ I ride the Bart in from Dublin. Bart ticket and food cost more than ticket. But the enjoyment of a baseball game even if the team sucks is worth it
The Coliseum is one of the worse kept pro stadiums in America, that’s a fact.
followed by RFK FedEx
I was in Oakland in 1988 to watch my Blue Jays play the A's, it was a great walk from the Holiday Inn on Hegenberger to the Stadium this was before the Seat expansion, and yes it was a beautiful view from inside and out, and Attendance for all 4 games we saw was over 30,000 each game, had a great time, Thank you Oakland!
And Oakland is still paying off the bonds for Mt. Davis.
Wow! Just excellent content across the board and I admire your editing and storytelling skills. This is the start of a great channel, I can tell
Thank you ! 🙌
Found you on tik tok, great informative content. Lived in the Bay Area my entire life and never knew any of this!!!
I grew up in Hayward in the late 60’ early 70’s and went to many A’s and Raiders games. I was a great time to be a fan.
K, it's your passion for game that hooked me. Show us all the rest!
Once upon a time the sports fan was the cornerstone of the sports world. Now team owners and even players treat fans like something stuck on their shoe. I feel for A's fans. Only one of my teams ever moved(Arizona Cardinals) but I never lived in St. Louis so it made no never mind to me. But if the Phillies, Flyers, or Sixers ever moved I'd feel like Julius Caesar on the Ides of March. I'd probably give up on sports at that point.
i’m a marlins fan from oakland but have been going a’s games since i was a kid. when they move it will truly be a sad day. i’m sorry to the a’s fans, this shit sucks
The Ark of The Lost Raiders.
I went to see Molly Hatchet, Cheap Trick, Black Sabbath, and Journey all together there.
Awesome Awesome video 👏🏾 very informative to say the least.
People talk about the deprivation and crime, being the main reason sports teams are leaving Oakland. One word that makes this argument appear ridiculous: Newark. Newark, has similar problems to Oakland. And yet hosts four Major league sports teams, three ironically carrying the New York identity: the Jets and Giants in NFL, the Devils in NHL, and the Red Bulls in MLS.
You know how many epic concerts have been held at that stadium especially day on the green. Sad to see that state its in now.
Your content is superb. Editing on point.I have adhd and love staring at google maps too😅 Remember me when you get to mil subs.😂
A great venue for the thousands of homeless! California has got to smarten up. Since nobody wants to work and would perfer to live on the streets, why shouldn't the Oakland Alameda County Coliseum become THE PALACE OF HOMELESSNESS!! Might I add..... As a life long fan of the Oakland Raiders, THE CITY OF OAKLAND HAS GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED!!!
What they probably should do with that land where the Coliseum and Arena stands is give it to Disney so they can develop a Disneyland North, now that Disney is not too keen on development in Florida.
Disney is planning on adding another park in Anaheim.
I wanted the Raiders to stay in Oakland and hoped the city would work a deal to build the sporting complex for all three teams.
I was there in 1977 and thought it was beautiful then. Can't stand to look at it now.
@Karl with a K Sorry, the tickets were half price when I was there in 1977.
It's weird how professional sports teams in the US just up and move cities. That sort of thing is unheard of in other countries where teams are closely associated with towns and cities. Manchester United, for example, would never, ever, move to London or Liverpool. It would be the end of the franchise.
Years ago Oakland was such a beautiful city where middle class families were flocking in. As time went on, many middle class families left Oakland and the poor class moved in. As a result, many homeless encampments set up recently and the morale of Oakland went down
Going to the coliseum was WILd! Fights everywhere, parked cars being broke into. But man, was that place rocking for playoff baseball with the redsoxs, ohh the memories
great video
Personally when the As are gone I’d tare out the older ring and build a second mount Davis for local college and soccer use
Well once the A’s move to Vegas, the Coliseum is likely to get demolished.
There are somethings that were missed (of course it’s a short video on CZcams ) but Howard Terminal was rejected by Lew Wolf & MLB for years and considered impossible by Wolf and was more focused on SJ. Jerry Brown & Jean Quan tried for years for them to build a stadium in Brooklyn Basin (which was close to the Laney site). And Mark Davis said Fisher was the reason why he couldn’t do anything at the Coliseum because he didn’t want to chip in with a few different developers who wanted to redo the area for three teams
I'm surprised he didn't mentioned anything about the seals moving to cleveland, then merged with minnesota. The usfl or xfl can expand to oakland and play there for awhile.
I was thinking the same thing about both of the football leagues.
Because he's NOT talking about the future of the seals! He's talking about the A's.
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I know. He was mentioning about the raiders moving to las vegas, and the warriors to sf. so, he was talking about their future, or just leaving the seals out?
@@jwbogacki The Golden Seals are long gone from the NHL. They began life as the Oakland Seals in 1967. However, in 1970, when A's owner Charlie Finley bought the team and renamed them the California Golden Seals.
They almost resembled the Los Angeles Kings sweaters, but they had
not a jeweled crown, but the with the word "Seals" and were gold.
The Seals suffered big time on the ice and at the box office. After eight unsuccessful seasons (1967-75), the Seals became the Cleveland Barons. In 1977, the franchise did not technically disband, but the then-Minnesota North Stars absorbed the defunct Seals-Barons franchise and its players.
Memories live on of my first visit to the Coliseum in 1974...I have been an A's fan since 1972, and the venue was so beautiful, before Mount Davis. After graduating from high school, I was determined to move to the valley in Lodi and get season tickets to the A's...but thanks to the building of Mount Davis, my plans quickly changed. THANK YOU AL DAVIS, YOU SCREWED THE A'S OVER!! Now the A's are moving to Las Vegas...let's see what happens now.
Lowkey not even that bad of a stadium just the stereotypes around the people that have been there 🙏
Man I grew up in San Jose and always thought of Oakland as trash. That city has way bigger problems than sports teams. As far as the A's are concerned. The Giants are to blame. F the Giants. If the Giants didn't cry territorial rights, then the A's would already be playing in Downtown San Jose.
The A's seem to be struggling to get approval for anything in Vegas now too. Nevada doesn't want to provide funding at all, but the city itself might, or maybe if they can find a casino partner. This team just needs a new home somewhere. It's a shame they can't just build a new baseball specific stadium with a theme based on the old version of this staidum in the same lot. Bring back those iconic views, but I know the team views that lot as non-viable for the future.
Part of me wonders if they should look at a move to Sacramento? It's actually a pretty good sized television market, and they'd still be in Cali. The California Athletics has a nice ring to it!
A team with no place to play
Move them back to Philadelphia the Philadelphia A's that's the best place for them
They can share the stadium with the Phillies. Philadelphia can support 2 teams.
The A's originated in Philadelphia when the American League began in 1901. I doubt whether that would happen today.
@@armorybrunotjr.3204 I could see Philly supporting a second MLB team! The logistics of it all would be tough though and the A's would definitely need their own stadium somewhere away from the Phillies.
This is sad, like Oakland just 4. Years ago had three major sports team and in two more years they will have none.
Affordable housing that isn't that affordable
A's ownership drove the team into the ground and took the fans, employees, the city, and the football team with him on that journey. Must be a real nut job.
I dont like the idea of any pro sports teams in las vegas
Lifelong A's fan. My mom was pregnant with me when she and my Dad went to the 1972 World Series. So I've literally been going to A's games my entire life. This whole roller coaster is wearing me out as a fan. I wish all the owners would get to get together friggin' Fisher to sell the team. No matter what I'll always be ride or die with my A's.
🤪 L I T E R A L L Y 🤪
Sad for the fans in O town
From icon to eyesore.
I really hope that the Vargas deal falls through just so that owner doesn’t get what he wants
I hear Vegas prefers an expansion team so fingers crossed
Hope so... Although I still prefer them to move though, but to Sac, SLC, or Austin/SA instead...
In fact, I don't even see Vegas ready for an MLB team, not even the expansion... If not for MLB is salivating their sports gambling money, none of the Big 4 (or 5) would make a team there...
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The league wants the A’s out of Oakland also. It’s a small market and can’t generate the tv revenue that a bigger market can.
@@chriseasterly5142 yet baseball wants the rays in Tampa? They make less the A's do hell Pittsburgh Cleveland Kansas and ciniy all make way less then Oakland has ever made why dose baseball keep them there?
@@dantehaskell5688 the Marlins are under contract until 2047 so they can’t relocate. If they could they probably would move cause that market sucks.
The other teams actually have fans show up to games and they have baseball only parks and not the football/baseball combo that was built in the 60’s.
Hope Nevada says no so Fisher doesn't have anywhere else to go but to sell...
But in restrospect, Coliseum also not it either, from eveb the AASEG plan the new stadium gonna stay at the exactly same place but you can't build a new one before demolishing Coliseum, because that's totally need to be demolished, and we know pushing forward to Howard Terminal gonna be very expensive and time consuming too, so I don't think Oakland has it either...
Vegas is totally not ready for an MLB team, there are no support from general public for the A's but there are no incentives for expansion group, their gambling too much for the A's are totally gonna be their downfall...
My personal preference is totally between Sacramento or Austin/San Antonio, and probably Salt Lake City too aftwr seeing theur rendering...
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"but you can't build a new one before demolishing Coliseum, "
They could do what the Reds did-build GAP in one of the Riverfront parking lots, and play at Riverfront until the new stadium was done. Then move to the new stadium and tear the old one down.
I agree, Vegas is not the city I’d chose for relocation. As an away fan, it would be great, but I don’t see the ppl of LV embracing this team.
Memphis, Charlotte/Raleigh, San Antonio, Portland, & Montreal to name a few would be better IMO
I'm a Utahn, and we'd LOVE an MLB team. It'd probably be an expansion team though, with the former Jazz owners pursuing the team. Also, the current Jazz and RSL owner is trying to get an NHL expansion team or he might buy the Arizona Coyotes if they can't get a new arena in the Phoenix area.
Is the location of the stadium an actual issue? As in, building a new stadium on the same grounds is or was out of the question.
It's pretty much out of the question.
Breakdown of the colosseum is as follows:
1: City didn't want to pay for a new stadium but wanted to retain half ownership
2: Fisher offered to buy their half stadium the city wasn't on board.
3: Fisher offered to buyout the stadium and pay of the city's debt for a previous renovation, the city was on board.
4: Fisher reneged on the offer to buyout the stadium.
5: Fisher asked for the city to approve upgrading the stadium, the city said yes. Fisher walked away.
6: The city sold their half the stadium to a corporation that only wants black owned sports teams operating there.
@@karlwithak. what?
@@louiscypher4186the was the county that sold their half to the A’s, not the city.
@@Captain_Solo correct the county sold their half to the A's, the city and the A's never reached a deal and the city now has an exclusive negotiating contact with a corporation for the cities half that will not allow white owned teams on site.
When Space Force archaeoligists dig up ruins of the Oakland Coliseum in the year 20,024, they are going to be confused as to how the Romans were able to build the same exact stadium on two different Continents.
Many people forget the A's tried to move to San Jose and wanted to move to Fremont. Howard terminal is a pipe dream. Baseball is a business, and the A's are better off in Las Vegas.
That place should have been demolished 5 or more years ago. Mount Davis is the worst stadium renovation ever 😅
The best-looking playing field in all of MLB IMO.
I appreciate your breakdown of this team. The old stadium 🏟 oakland is in trouble
What happened to the Golden Seals?
You've definitely earned a sub, CZcams algoritm... work your magic, more people need to see this!
Their Vegas stadium is going to be ❤🔥. Cannot wait for them to be gone.
Sucks for the people of Oakland. The fans don’t deserve this at all.
Very sad
Curt gowdy announcing a's of the 70s, Reggie and the boys, unbelievable 😢
I am fairly certain the warriors left to SF before the raiders left to LV
Joe Lacob stated he planned to move the team back to SF when he purchased them. Then he privately financed the project and had the stadium built. Amazing what happens when you have and owner that wants to get things done.
I went to an As,Giants game a couple years ago and the colosseum is a horrible stadium I don’t say it to hate but the place is nearly falling apart
The Oakland Coliseum was much worse than the other multi sport stadiums build in the 1960’s.
Oakland has way bigger concerns then a sports franchise. That place looks damn near post-apocalyptic
"Affordable housing....venue for concerts"....nope
Welcome to the next tent city annex
I wish the A’s could move to San Jose
Personally. I think they spend one more year in the coliseum. I think they are gonna play in there Triple A minor league ballpark in 2025
The demise of Oakland coliseum. The demise of Oaklamd. The demise of the Bay Area. The demise of California.
Why can't they play somewhere else for 2 or 3 years and tear down the coliseum and rebuild
The city of Oakland is a absolute joke. How many tourist come to Oakland every year? The middle of a donut. 0. All three teams have left , they know better.
Oakland snubbed its fans. Sad
Rap concerts would be a good fit for the used stadium. Nobody would care if it got destroyed.
O Cardinals fans pain started when that ass bidwell started our bleeding
Oddly, the reason Bill Bidwell moved the Cardinals is because Busch Stadium seated only 53,000 and he wanted a bigger capacity. But under his ownership the Gridbirds didn't sell out all that much anyway.
Depressing and the music doesn't help, though don't let it fool you
This stadium has had a great run. Look at all of the other cookie cutters that have come and gone. Georgia Dome anyone?
City of Oakland should have subsidized the Raiders...nfl is king. Let the A's build on the Coliseum site or walk
Oakland a's are already moving to las vegas to join the raiders.
Tax payers should have to foot any part of the bill for a stadium and no subsidies that is just welfare for billionaires
@@rkupiecjr Then, I guess you don't want a team...
@@MarloSoBalJrthank you...but too many of the anti public funding crowd were the loudest. Should have been a vote. We all pay taxes I rather have my sports teams then some apartments and condos nobody in the community can afford
@@rkupiecjrwe all pay taxes. If the Raiders needed 400 mill. Give it to them. Its not 400 mill out your pocket. We all contribute
Eric The Actor would be spinning in his grave, what are these morons doing to his beloved As
My A's are #1
A mega homeless camp.
That’s what it’s gonna become with “affordable housing”
Lord of The Flys
Why does San Francisco/Oakland get to be _Thee_ Bay Area? What about Tampa Bay or Green Bay or Chesapeake Bay? Californians with their inflated state pride.
Thanks to Politicians in Oakland who sat on their Ass for So Many years.
Yes and no, for nearly a decade A’s ownership tried to relocate to San Jose (which was blocked due to territorial rights which is an issue all to itself) and to Fremont which eventually fell through when it was voted down. During that time the city proposed 3 different sites that the A’s turned down because they were so adamant about relocating. It wasn’t until around 2016 that the A’s turned their focus back to Oakland. Even then their first choice at Laney College was unattainable because the school was not on board with the project. Around 2018/19 the A’s finally settled on Howard Terminal 55-acres on the water. Then in 2020 hit and Covid basically halted any progress. Even then the city was still willing to move forward with the project only for the A’s to pull out.
Al Davis killed Oakland sports
5:08 "You can't say the A's haven't made an effort to stay in Oakland". Yeah, I can. They only did this after snubbing fans in Oakland by attempting to move to San Jose. Then buying land in Fremont, and trying to move the team out of Oakland then (sound familiar, Vegas?) and then, and only then did they attempt to "stay" in Oakland, which was likely merely a bargaining tactic to leverage a better deal elsewhere. Even the original plan to build a stadium on the Laney college land was shut down before it began because the A's announced it and didn't even get approval from the land owners (Peralta colleges). John Fisher has always want to move, to get a new stadium elsewhere and then likely sell the team when it's at maximum perceived value, Oakland fans be dammed. He's scum.
BS. The City has made zero real attempt to improve the venues and assist pro teams in stadium deals. Good/. F em. This is what they get. Every team is gone now
@@tonyc8752 You sound like someone rooting for the owner in the movie Major League. You couldn't be more wrong. City gave them Howard Terminal site, and the A's backed out of negotiations when it was getting close to fruition. Look it up.
I think Jerry Reinsdorf is secretly plotting to move the White Sox out of Chicago to Nashville or Charlotte. His and his front office team have been feeding the fans more and more BS over the past few seasons, the fans have called it out, and I don’t think they care.
If MLB is satisfied with having only one team in the Bay Area, that throws the door wide open for his plan. Other than the condition of the venue (Guaranteed Rate is a bland but otherwise decent ballpark), there are a lot of similarities between Oakland and the South Side of Chicago.
Sox fans would like nothing better than to have Jerry sell the team. But I don’t see that happening and he probably sees the value of his franchise being much greater outside of Chicago.
@@inaka99 Except, Howard Terminal is NOT owned by the city. That's a maritime shipping port.
@@MarloSoBalJr Howard Terminal is owned by the Port of Oakland, which is overseen by the City of Oakland. Please look it up.
HASA DIGA EEBOWAI!!!!!
Build a smaller Stadium it's better
Oakland was 'Show the World', now Rude, old & poor
Down arrow and no, I will not subscribe. You passed totally over the debacle of Golden Seals hockey team. The team was poorly supported by the fans, was eventually taken over by the league when the owner walked out and had similar site ( arena) issues to the As today that led it to being sold and moved to another city. There is also no mention of all the political roadblocks the team has faced in its dealings with city politicians that finally led the team to buy the land in Las Vegas so it can move.
No one cares buddy
I know the arena's footprint isn't as big as the coliseum, but would razzing that and building a new stadium next door be an option? Certainly wouldn't be the first time a team did that...
HOMELESS CAMPING.😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
Most likely.
Al Davis and the Raiders should of stayed in LA. Bottomline.
I think so too.
No, they never should have gone there.
@@davidlafleche1142 Yeah, but once they were there, they should have stayed. Going back to Oakland in 1995 was a mistake. Nothing good came from that.
@@osaji922 If Congress passes a law forbidding taxpayer funding for stadiums, teams would stay put. "He that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches, and he that giveth to the rich, shall surely come to want" (Proverbs 30:6, KJV).
@@davidlafleche1142 Well, Oakland should have passed that to keep the Raiders in LA.
the fall of california
A's helped drive Raiders out. Eff 'em. (It's a dumb name anyway. "Athletics"? Go wither...)
I blame the city of Oakland for this after losing the warriors and Raiders, they have no real footing to decline the A's proposal and those in that office will be forever blamed for this.
Well said
@@Maapify thank you :)
The thing is the city was actively working with the A’s, they even had a 3rd party mediator and we’re set to have a negotiations summit to work out the final details for the Howard Terminal Site, then at the 11th hour a week before the scheduled meetings the A’s announced they are planning to move to Vegas. Personally I think John Fisher did not have the money to build the stadium in Oakland and pivoted at the last minute to free money in LV. The stadium won’t even be owned by the team in Nevada, it will be owned by Las Vegas. Free money and the stadium won’t be their responsibility.
@@Captain_Solo i hate teams who do that, especially when they want the city to own the stadium. Used to be the team owned the stadium and did everything but now they're just greedy and stupid
doing business in california is impossible today and too much crime
I guess let the next earthquake bring her down.