There's a Big Club Missing in the Premier League
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The city of Birmingham has one of the largest populations in England, yet it doesn't have a big club in the way that London, Manchester and Liverpool all do. This video explores the reasons why Birmingham is missing its Premier League powerhouse.
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1:43 Evolution of Local Clubs
4:48 The Premier League Arrives
8:46 Tale of Two Cities
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Aston Villa. European Champions. In the top5 in the English League currently. Then there is Notts Forest, 2 times European champions. Then add WBA, Wolves, Leicester. Seems it’s not that bad too me….
literally 😭
its not notts forest, its nottingham forest
Did u watch the video?
No, not bad at all. Especially if Villa keep performing the way they are, they might break into the "big club" club.
If you're shoehorning baggies in there, Stoke get a mention too.
not calling villa a big club when they have won the European cup is a bold, bold move
I mean he talks about how big means different definitions in football. Watch the whole video, it's as much a geography video as it is a football video. Birmingham isn't very marketable
Fcsb (Romania) has also won the European cup
@@aishikpanja3931Yes and they are also a Romanian giant, to many they would be regarded as a big club
@@jakemckeown5014 There's a "Big Club Missing" in the Premier League aka sleeping giant, iam agree with this video is a geography video about Birmingham isn't very marketable, but not the how big means different definitions in football
I suggest you google who they beat to win their one and only European trophy. Basically they beat one team. Half the teams don’t even exist anymore. Basically the old European cup had one Spanish side one Italian and one German that was about it. Look at some on the shite that got to finals back then ‘malmo’ ffs
In conclusion, the city of Birmingham does has a historically big club such as Aston Villa, but simply couldn’t keep up with the big money spendings as the other big 6 clubs in the Premier League.
And you do realise the reason for that don’t you?
In conclusion click bait tagline and chatting shit
And the reason they can’t is because they’re not a ‘big’ club not the other way around you’re putting the cart before the horse. It’s like when foreigners like to bitch ‘the premier is only successful because of foreign money’ No it has foreign money because it’s always been successful. In fact you could argue English football was more successful BEFORE foreign money.
villa are 4th...
@@Porkcylinder Youre talking bollocks mate, you must be a blue nose :)
Villa have won more than Tottenham. Villa was the club that organized the first Football League in England. Their chairman at the time William MacGregor got the original 12 clubs together to form the Football League. Not one of those clubs were the so called Big 6.
Villa has won less Trophies than spurs, but you won CL so I personally would say that Villa historically is a bigger club than Spurs and Arsenal
@@haidusus437 so Nottingham Forest are the joint 3rd biggest club then? They've won 2 of them, same as Chelsea and more than City, Arsenal, Villa and Tottenham
@@madzi8738 The difference between forest and villa is that villa also won the league 7 times. so no Nottingham forest is not bigger than city Spurs or Arsenal because they only had a small time of success
The big 6 clubs are called that because of mostly revenue and somewhat because of recent success, not because of trophies. It’s a common misconception, because the big 6 clubs also mostly happen to have won the most trophies too (and that’s why they are rich).
@@haidusus437 Yep definitely. Spurs have 26 trophies to Villa's 25 but Villa have a much higher quality of trophies. The European cup and 7 league wins for Villa compared to Spurs with no European cup and 2 league wins, Spurs' numbers are boosted quite a lot by 7 community shields which no one really cares about
Sorry but so much of this video is a mess. I’m not an Aston Villa fan but…
Villa Park was bigger than White Hart Lane (which Spurs left a couple of years ago) and Highbury (which Arsenal left in 2006). It’s still bigger than Stamford Bridge. It routinely hold international matches and for a time hosted FA Cup semifinals.
Birmingham hosted the 2022 Commonwealth Games (which wasn’t referenced but the 1982 games were) and has hosted a range of other large scale events.
Man City and Chelsea got enormous external financial backing in a time before restrictions which are in place now. Without this they are two teams who would be bouncing around mid table and European football at a push. Tottenham, some would argue, are not a big club by many metrics.
The rest (Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal) is due to history of success and the timing of when they were successful being in line with the development of the Premier League going global.
The reason why Villa Park doesn't host FA Cup semi-finals anymore is the FA's massive overspend on the redevelopment of Wembley meant that they had to use it as much as they could to generate revenue to pay the debt.
Excellent comment - Villa are a big club, full stop!
Liverpool were successful when the Premier League got going? Really?
Man Utd is only big because they won the First Premier League season
@hessen5498 that's not true. I'm old enough to remember them prior to winning the PL. They were the biggest club in England then. They also used to compete with Villa but they weren't equals.
Its like Liverpool 5 years ago, not won the PL ever but still way bigger than almost everyone else.
Villa, Baggies, Wolves, even the Blues are all BIG CLUBS. So are Forest, Derby, Leicester. Not every club needs to be like a Liverpool or Man U. The fanbase and history is all that's important. And and football actually isn't about a trophy - as crazy as that sounds - it's about winning the game. All the "big clubs" are just wealthy clubs. And the money has spoiled the playing field. This is why we end up watching videos by Americans telling me Villa is a small club.
I might even add Coventry to that. One thing I would say about the midlands is there are a lot of big football clubs. If you cut it off at 6 clubs you miss out a lot of big clubs. If this guy has ever even been to Birmingham he would have a better idea of how massive Villa are.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 He's a Yank. 99.999% of them know absolutely nothing about football but they do love the sound of their own voice.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 Hes also ironically completely ignored the American takeover of Blues... all he would have to do is see how much investment is being into Birmingham and how Wagner is literally trying to make Birmingham as a city attractive. Also Villa are doing well and so are wolves with the baggies set to be taken over. Birmingham and the west mids in terms of football is on the rise
@@danandrews7826 unfortunately Birmingham itself is broke.
Villa, to me, is definitely a big club somewhat comparable with Liverpool and ManU minus the success and Arsenal minus the hipster/international appeal. The others aren't comparable, but still considered relatively big in England. There's certainly no 'big club missing', it's really a question of the one really big club in Villa underperforming for a long period of time and, crucially, in the PL era. Probably true to say some of that is down to support being spread around more with WBA and B City making it a 3+ club city and the surrounding areas having even more decent sized clubs wicking away support that would otherwise go to a big Birmingham club.
Aston Villa are still one of the most successful clubs in England (Top 5 or 6 for trophies) despite been sleeping giants for most of the living past.
And not to mention that wolves and WBA have both won the top flight and the FA cup multiple times
Not to mention they have more European glory than both Arsenal and Spurs combined.
@@Zagirus it is mentioned in the vid that they won the european cup. Spurs though have won 3 european trophies though. Arsenal 2.
@@lilbaz8073 Villa won it before Football became corrupt
@@jasonobrien1989 lol it was corrupt for a long time. Look at spurs semi final in the european cup in 62. 2 perfectly good goals ruled out. The ref was later found to be on the take.
Manchester isn’t the 2nd most populated, it’s Birmingham
I think he means the urban area not just the city. Some measurements have Manchester bigger, some Birmingham.
@@limedickandrew6016i think having been to both cities Manchester seems bigger and more known these days and it has much more to offer
Only the illiterates would say Manchester was bigger than Birmingham. On population alone Birmingham has TWICE the number of residents. Manchester likes to quote its figures based on Greater Manchester (there's nothing great about Manchester.) Greater Birmingham, the area and population, DWARFS greater Manchester as well as their city. Go and look it up.
@@limedickandrew6016 because those measures take Birmingham proper and compare it to greater Manchester which isn’t a fair comparison
Manchester is equal or surpasses Birmingham on pretty much every metric going - also this garbage about Manchester being small is just stupid it’s just an unfortunate consequence of the crazy boundary system we have in this city, which people who don’t live here simply don’t understand.
If I leave my house and walk in a straight line south - I would begin in Manchester, cross into Salford, then into Trafford, and then back into Manchester. It would take me about 30 minutes to do that walk. Even the city centre itself is divided between Manchester and Salford, Old Trafford football ground isn’t in Manchester it’s in Trafford, even though it’s about a mile from the city centre, yet the airport which is almost 12 miles from the city centre is in Manchester.
Even half the people who live in the city centre would not be counted in Manchesters population figures, never mind people who live in Old Trafford. Anyone who’s been to Manchester recently knows that city centre is not servicing 500,000 plus people - Manchester is an agglomeration that works as a cohesive conurbation - in my opinion it equals if not surpasses Birmingham in pretty much every metric…the facts speak for themselves.
I am positive that forest won 2 European Cups back to back.
Yep what would a yank know lol...
Yep it's a shame they haven't had much domestic success to back that up though
@@dennisgoatimer1079 They did, in the 80s, like most teams have had success here and there
@@JTScottOfficial They had periods but 1 League 2 FA Cups (1 Community Shield) 4 League Cups ain't really a lot domestically they did win the Full Members Cup twice though which is something I guess
They did. Fun fact: they're the only team in Europe with more European Cups than domestic league titles.
Aston Villa are a big club.
AS Saint-Étienne, Marseille and Lyon are historically bigger clubs than PSG.
Everton, Villa, Leeds are historically bigger clubs than Man City. You could argue that Nottingham Forest are too. When PSG and City are taken down by financial fair play rules in their respective countries, they will return to being the little clubs they truely are.
Newcastle are bigger than City and Chelsea as well, but everyone thinks Newcastle is in Scotland so they couldn't comprehend that fact.
Compare the support of the fans when the teams aren't in the top league. Lots of fair weather fans don't stick with their "designer top" teams when they get relegated.
Compare Manchester City's support in the lower divisions to the other well supported teams when they were in the lower leagues, before you write them off as a smaller club!
@@bettytigers Forest, Villa, and Leeds all had better support in the lower leagues.
The Midlands have never been anything to turn your nose up at when it comes to football and the powerhouse is growing. Villa, Birmingham, West Brom, Wolves, Coventry and to the east, Leicester, Derby and Forest. There are eight teams there all with prestigious histories and large fan bases all of whom have been in the premier league before and has the potential to be so again. As a Midlander myself, I long for the day that we are all back in the premier league and can rival those North/South clubs for success.
Nice
Wolverhampton is a legacy team the first team to enter the league
That's basically why no super club due there being 6+ big clubs.
Great video. But I would say Birmingham does have it's share of large clubs. Wolverhampton, yes its separate but its part of the conurbation of the urban sprawl of Birmingham. They have 2 solid mid table EPL clubs, Wolves and Aston Villa. BFC and WBA, with the latter being a solid EPL team that has fallen from grace a bit.
I've always said the Birmingham conurbation has too many big clubs, if they had 2 rather than 4 they would be powerhouses.
@@BU532 i would say with Birmingham its blues or villa tbf the baggies are on the border
Villa have been top 4 for about 90% of the season and finished 7th last year too, calling them mid-table is a...shout
@@BU532 CON-URB-ATION , call it the West midlands conurbation if 'Birmingham conurbation' upsets you.
@@BU532 nobody said that Wolvo was in Brum. He said it was part of the West Mids conurbation.
Villa has more silverware than Spurs, more European cups than all london clubs but Chelsea (and 12 years ago, this would include even Chelsea), level with City in that item. has a history of inluence to other clubs (colours for example) in the dawn of professional football.
to use the modern concept of the big 6 as the only possible rule to say who is big and who not is kind of lame i think.
Villa don’t have more silverware than Spurs. This video is clearly talking about commercial success
@@user-ei7ed6zy9konly by Community Shields but that's not exactly the same value as a European Cup
Community Shields (Charity Shields) are NOT a major trophy. Villa have won more major trophies than Spurs and Spurs have never won Europe's biggest trophy. Villa are the biggest club in the Midlands, you're currently London's 3rd biggest club.
Aston Villa 20 major trophies
Tottenham Hotspur 17 major trophies
No-one counts Community/Charity Shields. It's a glorified pre-season friendly. No serious list includes them as major honours
Modern people are fickle/weak character and support the glamour clubs rather than their local clubs.
An issue often overlooked is that large proportions of the West Midlands population have now chosen to support clubs from other parts of the country. I'd say this is largely down to the impact of UK media pushing the profile of the clubs who happened to be the richest at the time of the Premier league 'boom'. It has caused a generation of younger people in the area who have no association with their local clubs because at the time they got into football it just so happened that other clubs from other areas of England were coincidentally doing better at the time. This may change over time as football always moves in cycles, the idea of a status quo of "big clubs" in England isn't really true historically.
I actually feel sorry for those younger fans who support one of the media 6. They don't know what they're missing in community spirit and belonging to something local in order to chase the cheap thrill of the more successful clubs chasing trophies (except for Tottenham).
And the majority of those who support Liverpool and Man United or Chelsea but live in the midlands are Asian that’s a fact it’s all ways been the same I’m a baggies fan and every Asian i new supported Liverpool or Man United and then the next generation started supporting Chelsea and this is from the late 70s onwards. 🏴🏴🏴🇬🇧👍🏼🫵🏽
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It's also that the media has an anti-midlands agenda like seriously the West Midlands clubs are on the rise especially us being in the top 4 but they don't really like talking about it when they're forced to do it well it's like a chore for them.
The London brain cannot comprehend the history of a club like villa.
if you havent noticed there are three london clubs with more trophies...
one with the same amount of CL (ambeit 2 less titles) and one with A LOT more league titles than aston villa...
Its a Canadian brain in this video.
London presently has 6 Clubs in the Premier League!
@@Ash-ve8hhSpurs only beats us because of the Community Shield in terms of numbers but putting the same value to every cup is nonsense. Only Arsenal and Chelsea have this argument for them in London
why bring London into it, some other bloke made the video?
Aston Villa fans sitting there going “wtf?”
I was in the beginning but tbf he does clarify he meant in terms of commercially not trophies
The Premier league has just become a competition of who can spent the most money. The Birmingham clubs would be considered way "bigger" (more successful) in any other european league because they tend to be more fair and in general, the clubs with the bigger fanbases tend to dominate more. Aston Villa are still are pretty known club with a huge local fan base.
Tell spurs it's about spending money. It's only the last couple of years that they have.
The Peaky Blinders were the biggest club in Birmingham..
I mean, Villa used to be the biggest club early on in the English top flight, sure they fell off, but it's clear they're on the rise again, They might not be a big club compared to some in this video, but I dont consider them small.
Yea we were the first super club atleast in England we fell off a cliff for numerous reasons including the wars especially WW1 given that Birmingham was one of the healthier cities back then as it followed the advice by experts (it wasn't law just advice) so people in Birmingham were conscripted before many other places which doesn't exactly help when football returned
Considering the chairman of Aston Villa, William McGregor created the football league, who are also European champions. Nottingham Forest are 2x European champions, Wolverhampton Wanderers played international friendlies in the early 50s creating a proto European Cup. West Bromwich Albion were one of the leaders in promoting the diversity of players in the 70s and Notts County the oldest professional club in the world. I think big clubs exist in the midlands
He litterally mentions all that though
Aston villa are still despite a couple of decades of not much success 5th in the all time top flight league table - not sure anyone could say villa arent a big club, they have a large fanbase and a history virtually any other side can barely dream of.
In some year we will have a 'Big Eight' with Newcastle and Villa.
Also, european competitions are expanding with more slots for top leagues.
Hopefully Everton gets sorted and it becomes 9
This is an excellent video. Might even show it to the wife, who loves Birmingham (and quietly knows her stuff re football)
There used to be parity in England before the premier league. The only thing you need to look at is City and Chelsea vs Villa and Spurs. Villa and Spurs have always been massive clubs but had a purple patch at the worst possible decades, but managed to maintain a stable organic growth. Whereas Chelsea and City proved it takes splashing cash to have success
Sadly the game changed when managers were given cheque books and allowed to buy players for millions of pounds. This started in the late 80s with Dalglish at L/pool and Souness at Rangers. Nowadays even Alan Sugar says football is a billionaires game and not a millionaires one. The likes of Busby, Shankly, Stein, Nicolson, Revie & Cloughie would all bring players through via the youth scheme, scout the lower divisions for young talent or just observe where the rising stars in their own league were. They were also not afraid to rebuild teams past their sell buy or in the case of Bob Paisley have a revolving door of one in one out, such as Dalglish for Keegan or Grobalar for Clemence. Some of the sleeping giants will rise again, probably when the money men decide which new club they would like to purchase and clubs like Villa, Leeds, Forest and even some of the London teams will be ripe for new investment.
Great video bro 💪🏽
Aston Villa? not a big club?? what are you on???
It’s unfortunate that many midlands clubs had Domestic and European success right before the commercialization of the English Football League (eventually premier league.)
Next, please discuss why the south west of England never had a major Premier League team, for example Bristol, which is the 8th largest city in England, always had mediocre teams like City and Rovers
Easy to answer that tbh, Bristol is a rugby city, always has been
@@danrohn8821 Yeah but Bristol Rugby isn't in the top tier anymore either
@@EhMoik They are...
Rugby
My bad, just checked@@LP11294 Still, Bristol is a big enough city for both sports
Midlands clubs have been terribly ran for decades. Only Leicester seemed to be doing well off of the promotion in 2014, and created a good model until being relegated. West Brom and Coventry City dealt with shit owners as well. Birmingham City stadium just isn't fit for anything above Championship right now as well as you its operating on a limited capacity.
However most of these clubs seem to be bouncing back; AVFC pushing for champions league, NFFC back to being a top division team after 20+ years, LCFC top of championship and ready to be back in the PL, WBA and CCFC pushing for playoff spots with Cov losing the finals last year. Few years ago only LCFC were in the top div and no west midlands teams
Not to mention Wolves under good hands aswell. Blues can bounce back with Mowbray. Walsall and Solihull Moors have a chance to get promoted Midlands football is on the rise
This is wild…Villa are literally in the champions league spots right now as you’ve posted this video. Villa have incredibly ambitious owners, they got us from near-relegation in the second tier to not being far off the title fight int he premier league right now. They just don’t want us to get sanctions for irresponsible spending. I think you’ve forgotten Man City are getting done for 115 breaches of the financial rules soon. One breach got Everton docked 10 points. So the Man City dream of overspending the way they have is over. Roman A doesn’t own Chelsea anymore, and whilst they’re still spending they’re going to be in trouble too.
Anyone would think we’ve been in league 2 for 30 years the way this guy talks, we were ever present in the Prem since it’s inception and finished in European places on multiple occasions including 6th consecutively around 2010 yet the Big 6 wasn’t a thing then I guess so it didn’t count, Christ above. It’s Aston Villa in the West Midlands and Nottingham Forest in the East midlands as the biggest clubs of the Midlands unless you’re oblivious. Money doesn’t make you big. We have the best owners we’ve had in decades and are currently back in Europe and pushing for top 4.
exactly, i dont think this guy understands what being a big club means
Couple of factual errors.
Birmingham is the 2nd largest city in England, about double Manchester's
Forest have not won a European Cup they won two back to back, 1979 & 1980.
He's talking of conurbations and they're virtually the same , just under 3 million each but the centre of Manchester as someone else above has already stated is a fair bit bigger. Look at number of hotels both 5 star and 4 star, size of indoor arena's, theatre's, media city -bbc/ itv etc. I know Brum is having a bit of a tall building boom but it literally pales in comparison with Manchester and what's going on there, check Skyscrapercity UK site. And all this even with Brum getting HS2 and Manchester not. Brum and the midlands for whatever reasons just gets overlooked compared to the NorthWests Manc and Liverpool and that's just facts.
@shman-zv7ue Look at the number of Michelin-starred restaurants, and major banking and fintech organisations - We can all pick and choose what we measure (and you definitely can't have counted the theatres correctly. Also, arenas is only because they've built another one recently, but Birmingham has the NEC! Manchester needs a whole town-sized area of exhibition space and arenas to compete with that). Birmingham has three football teams, Manchester only has two. Birmingham has more greenery and trees with the largest urban park - Look up biophilic cities. And you say to check SkyscraperCity - The place where some Mancunians camp out 24/7 and waffle on and on about how great they are - Brummies just don't go on about how great we are because we know we are.
I don't think it's fair to say none of them are big clubs, the Big 6 are just incomprehensively bigger. Another recent factor that has been the downfall of many midlands clubs was investment from China. Nearly all of the clubs in the West Midlands were bought by Chinese owners around 2016, as part of the country's attempt to profit off English football and expand its own football industry. However, when the Chinese government restricted the money that businesses were allowed to move out of the country, it meant there was little chance for the owners to invest into the clubs. On top of that, China also seized a percentage of assets from lots of large business investors, including the owner of West Brom. The club is effectively owned by the Chinese government, and is in debt to its owner. Lai Guochuan took out loans for the club from a company that he also owns, enabling him to earn some extra money when he eventually sells it. It's an absolute mess and has put West Brom in a very uncertain situation. The other clubs were fortunate enough to be sold over the past few years, by Lai has consistently made unrealistic demands for how much he wants to sell the club for, and only recently dropped his asking to something more realistic.
Its a reach to say the big 6 are incomprehensively bigger than a club like Villa. Yes they are bigger, but Villa is the arguably the 7th biggest club (between them and Everton), Spurs is barely bigger and boasts a weaker trophy cabinet and the likes of Chelsea and Man City were smaller clubs up until their financial takeovers in the last 25 years
@Ben-gd4db When I say bigger, I mean financially. Say what you want about Spurs, but they're a massive team financially and have much more global recognition, despite a lack of recent success. Villa has recently gained better financial backing than they've had in years, and so are now able to compete for the higher positions again, but probably aren't viewed quite as highly outside of the UK as Spurs are. The Big 6 isn't really a 6 anymore, but is instead more of an 8, with Newcastle and Villa entering the same realms of financial competitiveness over the past year or 2 as the rest. With this will come increased brand awareness and global fandom, but it will take years of continuously good seasons to get the recognition they deserve internationally. It's hard to convince people in other countries that you're a big club if they don't know who you are. Even if you don't win anything, getting European football is the key to fixing that.
Trophies wise only 5 of them are bigger Spurs don't even come close to us. Financially sure but that really shouldn't be a metric
I'm a Birmingham City fan and as much as this pains me... I've got to admit Villa should be one of the Big [4/5/6/7] Clubs (Liverpool, Man Utd, City, et all), given their history and with Brum being the 2nd city. [And thinking back to the European trophy wins by Forest and Villa back in the late 70s and early 80s] (My granddad played for both West Brom and Villa in the 1930s [West Brom were a big team back then] and also was a youth coach for Villa. My mom was a Villa fan,. As a child, she lived on Holte Road. Her neighbours used to wash the kit on Sundays)
Fingers' crossed that the US investment does pay off for Blues (and they learn from the Rooney saga) and we can return to the Premier League - and stay there. (And tap into the US market with Brady -and I don't mean Karren Brady - et al) Do I expect us to break into the top tier of Big Clubs in the premier league? No. And as much as I'd like us to be the biggest team in the Midlands, I'm happy for us to be the noisy neighbours.
Also, as the video hints at, is the trend for more and more London teams in the Premier League. It's where the money is. And where the jobs are - remember that claim that 80% of the total jobs created in the UK since 2010 were in London. You need money for your season ticket, etc. Given that clubs are primarily just businesses now, it's no wonder.
Now, what about the missing Premier League club in the Southwest? (And please don't say Bournemouth. Although it should start with a B)
I hope you guys come up at some point you're now in good hands under Mowbray and now have the financial backing which tended to be a problem for you guys to have both. Let's put Midlands football on the map plus I miss the Derby.
Very good video. Glad I found your channel.
What a strange video - no "big club" in Birmingham but then lists the accomplishments/history/stature/potential of Aston Villa 😂
This is about commercially, even West Ham are bigger in that way
Maybe watch the whole video and try not to get offended. Even if you'd watched a minute more, you'd know it was about why Villa haven't kept up financially with the Big 6 clubs.
The UK media exacerbates the problem with it's fixation on the "Big 6". Even the least bias media source, the BBC, will normally show a 0-0 draw between Man U & Chelsea ahead of a 3-3 Draw with 2 sendings off, a disputed penalty and 4 controversial VAR decisions between the likes of Wolves & Villa.
The print press is even worse. When following the Chelsea 2 - 4 Wolves match last weekend the headlines were that Chelsea had lost, not Wolves had won and 80% of the match report focussed on Chelsea players and their manager while the Wolves team who had played so well barely got a mention.
It's anti-midlands plus the London agenda bias combined it's annoying but it does make it so much sweeter when we do win a trophy. When media is forced to talk about Villa you can tell it's a chore for them 😅
Great video! Subscribed!
Yes I’m going For Sheffield Wednesday the Massive club who should be in the premier league but they have a Terrible Owner Chairman Chansiri Out
Football, economics and spatial planning/geographics all in one video. You firmly have my attention, keep it up!
Obviously never heard of Aston Villa & Nottingham Forest 3 times European cup winners
He was talking about commercially tbf to him
Great video!! I think Aston Villa can make a great run in the Conference League this season perhaps winning it and continue their presence in European competitions. Or just finish in the top 5 in England and qualify that way. As long as they have Unai Emery, they can go far.
Why isn't my club here, Everton have won 9 league title's and 6 FA Cup's and one of the founder members of the football league. 😢
where it is now?
@@eavyeavy2864 Were lying in 17th in premier league and been badly run by our owners, they have ruined my club and am not happy, we're building a new stadium and should be finished the end of this year, then we move in next summer and I can't wait as we need stability in our club otherwise we're finished.
@@sandram9243staring down the barrel of relegation
@@PAULIEWOODSMAN We won't go down as there's 3 worst teams below us, I know we are 18th and waiting for the point deduction decision, hopefully it goes our way.
Because the last time I looked at a map of the UK, Liverpool wasn't in the Midlands.
I think another reason Sheikh Mansour would have picked someone like Manchester City over Aston Villa would be that Man City bear a recognisable name (Manchester), whereas Aston Villa don't even bear their city's name, they are instead named after an area of Birmingham. And the club that does bear Birmingham's name have been stuck in the Championship for decades.
Like, I didn't know Aston Villa were from Birmingham until I was 14-15. In fact, there was a time when I was dumb enough to ask if Aston Villa played in the village nearby to where I lived called Alstonefield. For reference, at that time I also thought Stoke City played in Kent because I scoured an atlas for a place named "Stoke" and didn't consider the fact that they might actually play in "Stoke-on-Trent".
Aston Villa is based in Aston, Birmingham. Aston is an area in Birmingham
@masterm95 Yeah, but Aston is not the name of the entire city. Its not the name that people unfamiliar with this country would use to refer to that urban area. That's my point.
That's your lack of knowledge. Aston Villa's name as more heritage than clubs like Manchester City who changed their name. Our name is unique and the next 2 Kings of England are Villa fans. English football is full of City's and United. Your argument doesn't stand up as Chelsea is just part of London but it doesn't make their name less appealing. Villa also haven't changed their name unlike Ardwick & Newton Heath!!
@timedwards5734 Go on then. Give me a reason why someone who doesn't follow football would have heard of Aston? I go there regularly for university, and even that isn't really in Aston. Now compare that to Birmingham, which is one of the UK's major cities. People are much more likely to have heard of Birmingham or Manchester, even if they've never been, than they are of Aston. It's merely a suburb of Birmingham. And do you really think these billionaires follow football that closely before buying a club? My bet is no, and they're just jumping on the Premier League bandwagon, or more recently, the Ryan Reynolds bandwagon. Who cares if Aston Villa is a more historic name that Manchester City, who cares if its never been changed, your club is named after a relatively unimportant place by all metrics other than football. My argument is that's why someone like Manchester City got bought out by the mega-rich, while Birmingham's namesake club is stuck in the 2nd tier. Which at least partly explains why Birmingham has been left behind in football terms.
Does it explain why London's teams have done so well? No, absolutely not. But it does for Birmingham, Manchester, and to a lesser extent Liverpool.
Great video
-doesnt pit it down to lack of investor
-doesnt woe at other clubs success
-offer way to improve
The snowball effect of continuous promotion of a "Big Six" is a problem that is self-perpetuating. The more its talked about, the less of a spotlight for Villa, Brighton, West Ham & Newcastle who are on the fringes.
Three of those four are still in the Europa/Conference competitions & Newcastle were only knocked out because FFP has prevented them from being able to spend enough to build up the first team capable of lasting the season.
There was a time when the W.Midlands had more teams in the top division than London did. London in the last 44yrs has had nearly every one of its 12 clubs in the top division, except for Leyton Orient.
The so called big six only thrive because youngsters all over the country can buy a football shirt of these "big" clubs more easily than say Brighton or Villa from tat emporiums like Sports Direct or JDs, which does tend to hinder the other 14 Prem clubs a bit. This in turn builds up their financial power.
Forest are 4th most successful European club in English football behind Liverpool Man Utd and Chelsea they have two european cups and a super cup all these clubs you said are massive in England just to the rest of the world they seem small but in England we dont like outsiders watching anyway
Just need the right manager, a guy who knows how to tease good form outta a club.
i couldnt believe that table that showed 40 percent of people in birmingham support liverpool crazy
Birmingham is the largest City in the U.K.. London is two entities, the City which is only one mile square. The rest is Greater London which is now classed as a county because it has a lieutenant who represents the King.
The main city that stands out in terms of underperforming for me is Bristol. It is a similar size to Liverpool or Sheffield, yet both its teams are far smaller than those from Liverpool or Sheffield. Despite being the second largest city in the south of England, Bristol is not very well known (even within the UK) and this is sometimes attributed to it never having a big (rarely even a top flight) football team.
Good video! Keep it up.
In terms of urban areas in England the largest 10 are as follows:
1. London
Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham, Fulham, Watford, Brentford
2. Manchester
Man United, Man City
3. Midlands
Villa, Wolves, West Brom, Birmingham
4. West Yorkshire
Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield
5. Liverpool
Liverpool, Everton
6. South Hampshire
Southampton, Portsmouth
7. Tyneside
Newcastle, Sunderland
8. Nottingham
Nottingham Forest, Notts County
9. Sheffield
Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield United
10. Bristol
Bristol City, Bristol Rovers
So to say that the midlands doesn’t have successful teams based on their urban population is crazy to me.
So considering South Hampshire is the 6th biggest area in the country (only 1 behind Liverpool who are massive), and doesn’t have the same calibre clubs to the rest (except Bristol), then I think the conversation lies with them 🤷♂️
I was prepared to spit feathers about this video however, it turned out to be excellent. Making plenty of valid points in a fair and well argued way. Really enjoyed watching…hopefully Villa will continue their rise and become more consistent
You say it's a big 6, but was once just a big 4. Everton, Newcastle, and Aston Villa are the clubs who could eventually make up a big 9 one day. Maybe the likes of West Ham could eventually then make it a big 10, but there there's a pattern I've noticed when looking deep into it.
If you look at virtually any all time table, whether that be trophies won, all time league tables or table of clubs with most top flight seasons, those same 9 clubs take up all the top 9 spaces, just in a different order. After that, and things get significantly varied.
This means just like Newcastle, Aston Villa also have a chance of making it top 4 on a regular basis one day. Even the season when Leicester won the league and Aston Villa got relegated, the future would always still be far brighter in the long term for Villa than Leicester and I knew that at the time.
Well….there’s all kinds of success!!!!
Watch DAVO and the wonderful travelling band of brilliant Blue Nosed Brummies following Birmingham City!
Not since the Beatles magical mystery tour have wanted to be on the bus!
Keep right on Davo! Camaraderie and friendship is real success
Nottingham forest won the european cup twice, aston villa 1982 european champion & leeds united is quite awesome during 70s.
Nottingham Forest twice European Cup winners!
Mainly because of an exceptional manager Brian Clough,
and his assistant Peter Taylor (schrewdly buying and inspiring fine, ambitious players! )
Whato and thanks for mentioning Notts County. We normally get ignored!
Birmingham has many clubs doing fairly well Birmingham City Villa Wolves West Brom as opposed to Manchester where there are only two clubs of note as a similar sized city I feel that Forest could be a big club too if it were not for Notts County I don't think its a coincidence that when county went down Forest were able to get back to the premier league Leicester is a one club city too and as such it was able to maintain a premier league presence if there was a second club in the city i feel this would have been far more difficult Newcastle is also a big club even if the trophy cabinet doesn't reflect this because its a decent sized city without real competition in the city conversely Bristol is a decent sized city but having two clubs means neither has really been able to achieve premier league status
Great video, but Aston Villa won promotion back to the Premier League in 2019 and have remained since
Whoops, thanks
No problem
@@Maapify Basically you did no research and just talked a load of sh*te for 13 minutes... The Commonwealth Games that happened in Birmingham two years ago proves my point.
im a south african who lived in the second city and worked at villa park and wolves. Its honestly a beautiful city n u nailed it. No major club represents the city on a world stage so people don't know much about it n those who know the Villa don't know they are from Birmingham
Not a villa fan but not calling them a big club is strange, reflective of perhaps your knowledge of only recent english football.
However, it's true their size is affected by having some pretty big clubs nearby whereas for the Mcr and Liverpool clubs, there are lower league sides surrounding them.
Hey bro dont listen to other haters on this vid great vid at the start i was skeptical cuz i was thinking aston villa was the best club in the world at one point but then you brought that up! Once again great vid
when you have a press based in London and Manchester the rest of the country tends to get overlooked - You also have sky sports and talksport who start verbally selling villa's best players and getting into their heads as soon as they have a period of form - everytime a villa player got into the England squad you knew his villa days were numbered. Milner, Barry, Young, Grealish for example
The answer is staring you in the face: football has always been too popular in the West Midlands. Of the twelve founder members of the Football League there were Villa, Albion and Wolves; and also Stoke from just up the road. These clubs have survived, and the fanbase is shared further amongst Birmingham and Walsall. If there was one Black Country team instead of three, and one Birmingham one instead of two, things would be different.
Good point
Nice vid
Villa are a big club, with seven national titles - but only one of those has come since 1910. Like with Newcastle and Sunderland, most of Villa’s titles were won, at a time when English football south of the Midlands, was in its teething developmental stages. It wasn’t until Arsenal (then Woolwich Arsenal), were the first club south of Birmingham, to enter the English top flight in 1904 (Villa had five of their titles by then). Sixteen professional seasons had been played beforehand. In the post WW2 era, Villa have won less league titles than Derby, Portsmouth, and Wolves - never mind Spurs. Villa spent eight consecutive years, from 1967 to 1975, outside the top division - two of which were spent in the third tier. They’ve finished in the top three positions just three times in the post war period - provincial Ipswich, have achieved this feat six times. They’ve won seven FA Cups, but only one of these wins has come in the last century. It’s won five League Cups, but the first one of those was won, when top clubs sometimes chose not to enter. Its won the European Cup once. But their Midlands rivals, Forest, have won it twice. Villa are a big club. But well over a dozen English clubs can lay claim to this status.
This guy has Clearly Never been to the West Midlands
-Birmingham City
-Coventey City
-Stoke City
-West Brom
-Wolverhamton Wanderers
Aston Villa do Run the West Midlands but there is much more to the Midlands
It doesn't mean your Club is not big because they are not in the Premiership
*coventey city*
@@quinny5117 it's a S**t hole I know
The Midlands have many big clubs. Villa, blues, wba, wolves, Stoke, forest, Leicester, Coventry, derby
The big six are usually referred to as that as these are the teams usually in the top 4 and thus champions league. Its a silly term to be fair. Often teams would drop out of those positions top positions but would end up winning or finalists for something else. It would be fair to argue that tottenham arent a traditional big six side for a lack of modern silverware but we often place above traditional teams. Arsenal went through a horrid league patch but they kept winning other trophies, so its hard to argue with that point. 5 of the big six are founders with a sixth being everton who at one point threatened to make it a big 7. The term itself is a mess.
My bit of Nostalgia was that I drove from Stoke to Derby to watch Derby County beat Real Madrid 4-1 at the Baseball Ground. The Midlands has a great Footballing Tradition.
I'm a villa fan and everybody is missing the point of this video. He's not saying villa arent a "big club". He clearly shows our history and success but he makes clear valid points about the city and wider area and to why we and other teams will always find it hard to compete with the TV Six. The only thing he missed out really was FFP (PSR) as this has massive impact. We have billionaire owners but they cannot spend because our revenue is low. This video explains why our revenue is low. Well made video with soem excellent points. People joke about the Manchester vs Birmingham 2nd city debate but honestly the biggest difference is successful football.
Bit rich to say Aston Villa aren’t a big club when they’ve won seven league titles, seven FA cups, and the European cup. More than Chelsea won before 2003, and Man City before 2008 had won.
Other notable midland clubs are West Bromwich Albion, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Birmingham City, Leicester City, Nottingham Forest, Derby County, Coventry City etc.
You need to look at the history of each area in a wider sense. The Midlands have had periods where their clubs had a lot of success. It's just that we happen to be in a period of history, where many of the bigger Midlands clubs have experienced some of the least success in their history. Aston Villa's recent relegation and subsequent promotion from the second tier, along with Birmingham City's current relegation to the third tier. In a decades time, things could switch around and we could see a golden period for such clubs.
Can’t argue with most of that. Villa and Wolves doing well in the Premier though, and West Brom consistently competitive in the Championship. Add further afield Coventry, Leicester and Forest, it’s pretty healthy in the Midlands. Some silverware desperately needed though and it’s tough due to the reasons spelled out in this video. Villa’s trajectory looks interesting though if they keep Emery for a few seasons. Given their size and fan base, they’ve particularly underachieved.
Just because Villa aren’t considered to be in today’s big six, does not mean that they are not a very big club, arguably bigger than Tottenham and City
The North West of England is the powerhouse of football - if you look at the number of trophies won by North West clubs it trounces every other region, London included.
There are only 5 teams who have won every single club trophy in the last 20 years. One of them is Leicester.
Domestic trophies...
@@dannyboywhaa3146 correct. And outside of those, who else has won a European trophy? Noone.
@@Owlyross hmmm Utd, Liverpool, Forest, Villa, Chelsea and City... that’s 6! So which club didn’t win all domestic trophies over the Iast 20 years? That’d have to be Forest - strange you forgot that as a Leicester fan lol 👍
@dannyboywhaa3146 not in the slightest, Forest had incredible success. But that was 50 years ago now. Only 25 years ago Man City were in the third tier and the furthest thing from a "big club". There are plenty of historically huge clubs- Huddersfield, Preston, West Brom - who aren't in this conversation for good reason. The last time Forest were competitive they lost to Spurs in the FA Cup Final 33 years ago. And yeah, Villa should be in the conversation, they certainly have the biggest claim of the Birmingham teams.
@@Owlyross lol nonsense Forest finished 3rd in Prem under Clark and got to a uefa cup 1/4 final 💪
I’ve Not got a Dog in the Fight
But isn’t SHEFFIELD the Birthplace of Football
A couple of weeks ago Both Sheffield teams was at the Bottom of their perspective, leagues
SWFC are badly Run & have been for Decades
& United are bottom of PL
Yet over 60K fans watching steel city football in 2 days Wednesday 2nd bottom of championship played on Saturday with 29k fans at Hillsborough Stadium & Sunday 31k fans was at SUFC both Sheffield grounds are only 4 & ahalf Miles apart!
If They only had One Club in Sheffield doing well in PL they could Pull in easy 75k Fans No problem
Plus it’s Englands 3rd largest city by way of Size & 4th Largest by Population & what a huge Boxing 🥊 city to
Sorry I’m going for Sheffield Wednesday who is the Team who is missing they are still Yorkshires most Successful football club to SWFC Hillsborough Steel city owls
💙👏👏👍👊
As the second largest city in the UK, It's a shame that Villa doesn't get respect that it deserves. Now I'm a Blue Nose and I respect Villa, even tho there rivals. But I believe things are gonna change for the Midland teams, and it's gonna be exciting. Villas take over, Blues take over by Knighthead. (Netflix documentary, 40 to 60 thousand new stadium in Bordesley Green Wheels, 2-3 Billion project) Villas takeover has caught the eyes of other investors which would bring sponsors and big money people to bid for these low dying teams and build them up for future profit. This is good for the city of Birmingham, i.e jobs, sponsors, events, merch etc. Man Utd were the kings of english football, and when the eyes of the rich caught this success of this great team. They ended up looking at Man city........The same with Newcastle as they are they have a great stadium and the city is in there name. Villa are leading the line in Birmingham and if Villa are successful in titles, cups, etc, it will bring the eyes of buyers to the smaller midland teams.....West Brom, Coventry, Wolves. It's gonna take time but I know it will happen as these teams are sleeping giants.
As a Wednesday fan I would say villa are a huge club and deserving of more respect
As another Wednesday fan, we should be a big club but seem presently cursed. United are also having a nightmare of a season.
As a spurs l realise Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest are bigger clubs. Both have the major European trophies.
Although Spurs where the first English club to win a European trophy.
I feel like the midlands in general has an identity problem. The north/south divide is something with a lot of cultural weight to it, where people in Liverpool and Manchester are proud to be northerners. To some extent, I think places in the south like London are similar. But the midlands is just kinda...there? Not north or south enough for people to feel strongly about it.
As a fan of La Liga and Serie A way more then other leauges, I ask this of the more EPL watching audenices... What makes the Premier League so much diffrent then what came before it... It was still the English league... Still 1st divison ... What made it so diffrent besides the name and sponsor of Barclay??? Honest question
Big cities equals to big football clubs argument doesnt apply sometimes especially for a country like Turkey. Despite of Istanbul clubs (Fenerbahçe, Gala, Beşiktaş, now recently Başakşehir's super league winning efforts) the 4th biggest club of Turkey comes from 13th biggest city Trabzon, at which Trabzonspor located. 2nd and 3rd biggest cities of Turkey populationwise, Ankara and Izmir, had used to big clubs (or clubs with history and local fan base) but for the last 40-50 years at least, Turkish football scene is dominated by Istanbul clubs, and Trabzonspor.
Leeds on top 5 metro areas population wise, but no mention.
At least it's 6 big clubs now! It's used to be 4, not that long ago.
Villa are MASSIVE, Villa were the most successful club in England upto 1982 then Man u, Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal had their trophy spells,
West Brom are not a Birmingham they are based in West Bromwich near Sandwell just outside of Birmingham.
Birmingham post code, Birmingham telephone number Birmingham side of the M5 motorway closer to Birmingham than Manchester United are to the city ofManchester. Might as well change the name to Handsworth United
They're right on the border really they do take some of the fan pool that would support Villa for that reason
Nottingham forest have 2 European cups not 1. 7:41
Even as a Leicester fan, the disrespect to Villa and Forest is unreal. European cup winners.. and while we're not as big historically Leicester have recently won the league and FA Cup.
Tottenham would kill for that kind of success so what's the criteria of a "big club"? A large stadium / lots of fans? Better add Newcastle, Sunderland, Everton, Leeds and plenty more. Sky 6 is not representative of English football heritage.
Hopefully Aston Villa,Leicester and West Ham United will be future Premier League giants from 2030s
Aston Villa are not missing, I can see them currently 4th behind Arsenal and 2 places above Manchester United and that's after dropping places.
Before Chelsea's recent Champions league wins no London club had won Europe's biggest trophy whereas Nottingham Forest and Villa who are from the midlands had done. Chelsea is a big club because of recent investment prior to that they were a yo-yo club or mid table at best. Arsenal could always be counted as a big club because of the amount of league titles and domestic trophies but Spurs who are you kidding. Everton are bigger as well as the aforementioned.
3 champions of Europe between Nottingham Forest (2) and Villa (1) from the Midlands, which is more than France, Scandanavia, Belgium, Scotland and Eastern Europe. Do your research.
Villa are not the holders of the European Cup. The team that last won it - Manchester City are
The Commonwealth Games were held in Birmingham in 2022 not 2002.
Nice