The Truth About Lab-Grown Meat

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  • @pwolfamv
    @pwolfamv Před 2 lety +1442

    So... You and Brian are basically telling me this morning that I wont be eating a lab grown steak on a supersonic flight to Europe on my modest government salary any time soon.

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 Před 2 lety +680

    New technologies are almost always prohibitively expensive. And it will continue to be quite expensive for some time.
    The first microwave ovens, in the late 1940's cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and were only ever sold for massive food processing projects.
    By the late 50's the price got low enough for restaurants to afford, then by the 80's microwaves got cheap enough that families could use them.
    The price of lab grown meat will come down.

    • @josephcoon5809
      @josephcoon5809 Před 2 lety +69

      The first large screen TV was $15,000 ($22,000 adjusted for inflation) in 1997.
      Two decades later, they are 100x better at 5% the cost.
      The only trick is to keep government off of the market.

    • @erictaylor5462
      @erictaylor5462 Před 2 lety +13

      @@josephcoon5809 Just look what they did with corn.

    • @Warhawk76
      @Warhawk76 Před 2 lety +42

      The price is not going anywhere until they solve the FBS problem. That's going to be extremely difficult, and it's hard to imagine any sort of plant-based alternative existing that has the proper growth factors in it.

    • @erictaylor5462
      @erictaylor5462 Před 2 lety +89

      @@Warhawk76 Well, in the 1970's no one had any idea how to make transistors small enough that you could make computers smaller *AND* faster.
      My dad worked in an oil refinery from 1968 to 1999.
      They had a computer that helped to run the refinery efficiently and I would often go with mom to pick up dad from work. The computer room in the 70's was two large rooms (about 100' X 100') one above the other.
      By the time he retired the computer had been updated and replaced. It was now a single unit, smaller than a standard refrigerator.
      Problems with technology always seem insurmountable until a solution is found. This has happened over and over again in history. Why should we thing development of lab grown meat should be any different?

    • @cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647
      @cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647 Před 2 lety

      I can recall when the first microwaves were 500.00 and breadmakers now look

  • @jklep523
    @jklep523 Před 2 lety +510

    I have over 30 yrs of experience in pharma mammalian cell culture. This is a pretty good summary of the situation. We recently performed a cost-benefit analysis for a client and reported a similar summation. However, the other major factor that is not covered here is the volumes of purified water needed to run the bioreactors. The water use will be even higher per Kg than animal husbandry which is already a strain on global ecological systems. Purified water is surprisingly expensive to produce and can only be done in geographic regions with the resources available; that is, it’s not happening in the desert southwest of the US or in Saharan Africa. Water resources are increasingly valuable around the globe for basic human needs, diverting those resources to manufacture synthetic meat just moves an already intractable problem from one place to another.

    • @amiralozse1781
      @amiralozse1781 Před 2 lety +16

      not to mention all sort of highly refined nutrient solutions and other stuff needed to keep a mammalian cell culture alive.
      there will be tons of waste produced which has to be reprocessed in an ecofriendly way...

    • @maxine3978
      @maxine3978 Před 2 lety +22

      If this is true, then it's an additional reason to go vegan i guess

    • @justincapable
      @justincapable Před 2 lety +14

      Maxine, except it isn't another reason to go vegan. Plants also require water, and in case you don't already know, drinking water is becoming a limited resource, unless there are drastic improvements to desalination.

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo Před 2 lety +3

      Sod it #BoycottSyntheticMeat and #GoVegan, #GoFruitarian and/or #Fast for the most part and #PlantFruitBearingTreesEverywhere?

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo Před 2 lety +3

      @@justincapable Then #BoycottCapitalism and #Colonialism?

  • @bigfriki
    @bigfriki Před rokem +11

    00:41 It wasn't meat that changed the digestive process but rather _cooked_ food in general, as opposed to raw food.

    • @squidwardsclarinetreed7205
      @squidwardsclarinetreed7205 Před 17 dny

      Yes, especially starches and other carbohydrate rich foods. Glucose is after all the primary source of energy our brains use.

  • @sirBrouwer
    @sirBrouwer Před 2 lety +572

    I always assumed that the biggest asset with growing lab based meat. Was not meat for consumption. But to develop it even further so the technology would be come so good that you could grow a complete new organ.
    Like if Mike needed a new kidney. the technology would be so good that they could use some of his cells to change it in to a new kidney made from his own DNA.
    the lab grown meat for food is just a stepping stone.

    • @garethbaus5471
      @garethbaus5471 Před 2 lety +50

      We are working on using similar techniques for exactly that, the development of lab grown meat isn't going to directly translate to improved techniques for replacement organs at this point.

    • @migueeeelet
      @migueeeelet Před 2 lety +32

      Yeah, lab grown meat is multiple birds with one stone. It's almost cheating lol

    • @torpenhigalak5909
      @torpenhigalak5909 Před 2 lety +17

      Indeed and remember commercialization of this not only beneficial economically but socially as the awareness of it also fund the means for more progress, which is why most of its attention are in having it available in commercial use.

    • @1224chrisng
      @1224chrisng Před 2 lety +4

      sounds great difficulty-wise, but cost-wise it's really the other way around

    • @slamrock17
      @slamrock17 Před 2 lety +3

      The only difficulty is the pollution from the lab based meat will dwarf what we are seeing now with animal based.

  • @XxBloodyMary
    @XxBloodyMary Před 2 lety +623

    The part about FBS is especially interesting and exactly what I hoped to learn more about in this video. Great video!

    • @N0Xa880iUL
      @N0Xa880iUL Před 2 lety +4

      In-

    • @Disobeyedtoast
      @Disobeyedtoast Před 2 lety +28

      more like absolutely horrific😰

    • @I-Am-L
      @I-Am-L Před 2 lety +35

      @@Disobeyedtoast just wait until you hear about the modern meat industry...

    • @Porkarific
      @Porkarific Před 2 lety +49

      There are companies who have developed a method that does not include FBS

    • @YearRoundHibernater
      @YearRoundHibernater Před 2 lety +58

      It's not accurate though most comapnies working on lab grown meat started using alteratives a while ago, I don't follow this all that closely but the few companies I've looked into all use alternatives. And to my knowledge most companies are, this may have been accurate information a few years ago but not now.

  • @Devil-Made
    @Devil-Made Před rokem +2

    14:16 “And while I don’t agree entirely with putting the onus on the consumer…”
    THANK YOU! This is an argument that is RARELY - if ever - acknowledged when talking about climate change and our role in slowing it down. I fully expected this video to end with something like, “So what can YOU do to reduce the impact of meat production on the planet?…”
    People often forget that we aren’t the biggest problem. It doesn’t matter how much any of us do, when confronted with the actions of giant mega-corporations we are meaningless as individuals (as far as reducing any kind of impact on the planet). I really appreciate that you added this little note in your video and hope it forces more people to consider just how much affect we can have when faced with the behemoths of Amazon and YumYum.
    I totally agree with the moral imperative, but as far as making people believe it’s OUR fault, and it’s OUR responsibility…that’s just gaslighting and manipulation on the part of the mega-corps that run the world.

  • @Gorczy
    @Gorczy Před 2 lety +125

    Awesome video as always Stephanie and team!
    I noticed one small mistake with units around 10:30. You list 5,000 litres as around the size of the "biggest beer fermenter that exists." The largest ones I know of are 6,000 BBLs or 704,000+ litres. I think units got swapped there.
    Any mid sized craft brewery in your region will likely have 10-15 tanks in the 100-150 BBL range, or 2-3x the volume needed for the bioreactor.

    • @BigBrotherMars
      @BigBrotherMars Před 2 lety

      Jack Gorczyca

    • @everythingisrealrivers6582
      @everythingisrealrivers6582 Před 2 lety +2

      she said "thats LIKE the biggest beer fermenter that exists". Thanks for your input though bruh

    • @mr.randomgamer888
      @mr.randomgamer888 Před 2 lety +9

      @@everythingisrealrivers6582 but it still is nowhere near the biggest ones, it's barely close enough to the average brewery and even thst is a stretch

    • @Elrog3
      @Elrog3 Před 2 lety +6

      @@everythingisrealrivers6582 Do you always reply before comprehending what you read?

    • @everythingsreal
      @everythingsreal Před 2 lety

      yes, i am such a retard. And how are you this morning?

  • @theprofessionalfence-sitter
    @theprofessionalfence-sitter Před 2 lety +159

    If it is so expensive to produce, wouldn't it make more sense to start by growing more exotic meats at first and marketing them to the rich? I'm sure you'll find someone willing to spend a lot of money on something they couldn't otherwise get. Generally, it seems weird to me that, if you have the technology to produce artificial meat, you would use it, first, to produce those meats that are pretty much the cheapest to obtain the "normal" way, rather than trying to produce meat of animals that couldn't normally be eaten.

    • @extrasolare9644
      @extrasolare9644 Před 2 lety +11

      The problem here is that rich any kind of meet carries almost the seme difficult, I tink tha if we'd make just a part of the animal has more sence... it conserved the immune part and the same moleclular structure.

    • @sanssoucilucci
      @sanssoucilucci Před 2 lety +14

      What is an 'exotic meat that rich people want' to you? I'm relatively well off and wouldn't really consider eating lab monkey or walrus meat. What comes from this process is not structured in the way of organs and body parts, but more of a loose abstraction of fat and protein, among others. You can't mass-market this by starting off with an incredibly select group of individuals.

    • @kkirschkk
      @kkirschkk Před 2 lety +10

      @@sanssoucilucci I mean for a lot of the ultra well off people you would get a demand for something like walrus meat or other weird things. So while you might not be interested in it your likely not the type of person that he is mentioning.

    • @andywuhu6720
      @andywuhu6720 Před 2 lety +2

      @@sanssoucilucci generally it's stuff like wagyu and whatnot but much of it is prepared at higher end restaurants and ones grown domestically or imported have gradually become more accessible to the public (at a premium of course). Then again everyone's tastes are different so some might not even like beef to begin with.

    • @errorerror6918
      @errorerror6918 Před 2 lety

      Most current lab grown meats still require the original meat to start the process, it is just a negligible amount of the final product. So you can't use endangered animals/etc.

  • @annefoley6950
    @annefoley6950 Před rokem +16

    My uncle works in the FBS industry and the Thanksgiving table stories he tells are ~wild~

    • @CC-mr5xq
      @CC-mr5xq Před rokem +3

      What did he say? Please do tell.

  • @astroch
    @astroch Před 2 lety +55

    I dont understand, why do we want a universal serum if we can only grow pure meat. Just use the specific serum for every type of meat, and when we can, we will grow whole wings or ribs. Every production line is different, i dont expect to use the same substances to produce paper and cardboard.

    • @admiral_waffles533
      @admiral_waffles533 Před 2 lety +8

      Logistics and economies of scale.
      Keeping track of 20 different serums from 20 different manufacturers is much harder, expensive and time consuming than keeping track of 1.
      There's even the added benefit of reliability, where say, 1 factory can take over another in case that one shuts down, so production doesn't have to grind to a halt.
      Also, the more you produce something, generally the cheaper it becomes.

    • @JG-xm8jy
      @JG-xm8jy Před 2 lety +18

      @@admiral_waffles533 we have vehicles that use diesel, gasoline, planes that use jet fuel...your arguments are just unreasonable...how hard is it to manage 20 serums??? the efficiencies got from one serum are few and fare between if individual serums already exist

    • @JG-xm8jy
      @JG-xm8jy Před 2 lety +7

      Someone is asking the right questions, this video was trash

    • @admiral_waffles533
      @admiral_waffles533 Před 2 lety +11

      @@JG-xm8jy You didn't consider the big picture. Unless there's something to benefit from it, like increased efficiency, why would manufacturers spend more time and money creating dozens of different products that each need their own ingredients and procedures, when they could just create 1 that does all of their jobs and crank them out. It increases their individual prices, something that in turn would increase the price of making the burger, which is a loss for both sides.
      Second, use a different example, jet fuel, gasoline and diesel have their own niches and mostly share raw materials and manufacturing process. They also already benefit from economies of scale, while lab grown meat has barely just started. Meanwhile growth factors are hyper specialized proteins that need their own specialized equipment (for lack of a better term) and manufacturing procedures.

    • @uwuhihiowo
      @uwuhihiowo Před 2 lety

      That's not how it work

  • @CallforMrBlue
    @CallforMrBlue Před 2 lety +40

    No one is really looking as FBS as a base anymore, there are a billion alternatives and that was merely 1 thing people looked at.
    Cost for a product currently not released is something that will be dealt with before the shit can even come out and is currently the biggest issue, but it isnt as dramatic as this channel made it out to be.
    New Harvest has a non FBS recipe. It's public it's designed for beef.
    If that doesn't refute it. I don't know what does.

    • @nathanlevesque7812
      @nathanlevesque7812 Před 2 lety +4

      I mean, referencing primary sources is better than making offhanded references to things that might be accurate.

    • @AlexxanderLuthor-lq5ih
      @AlexxanderLuthor-lq5ih Před 11 měsíci +4

      a billion alternatives ?
      what are they ?

  • @dariodalcin5177
    @dariodalcin5177 Před 2 lety +11

    Cleaning the inside of the microwave must be the best transition to a sponsor so far😂

  • @lukash.8788
    @lukash.8788 Před rokem +25

    Tissue engineering is so fascinating but also so elaborate and expensive. When I started studying I was so hyped for lab meat but as more as I learned about it, my hopes kinda alleviated.
    I hope that one day lab meat will actually be a thing and I’m still alive to experience it.

  • @ReaperUnreal
    @ReaperUnreal Před 2 lety +17

    10:53 Just a quick fact check. 5000L in roughly 42bbl, which while large for a craft brewery is TINY for macro breweries. The Milwaulkee MillerCoors plant has several 6000bbl fermeters, or about 700,000L. 5000L is FAR from the largest fermenters.

    • @Gorczy
      @Gorczy Před 2 lety +5

      Noticed this as well, think the editor swapped the units, since a 5000 BBL fermenter would be close to the largest tanks in the world.

    • @kushalvora7682
      @kushalvora7682 Před 2 lety

      5000L is still quite big considering it only produces 1kg of meat.

    • @Elrog3
      @Elrog3 Před 2 lety +2

      @@kushalvora7682 They don't build a tank to only produce 1kg of meat. It can be reused. ;)
      Jokes aside, the important statistic would be the production rate. How long does it take per kilogram of meat?

  • @NakedAvanger
    @NakedAvanger Před 2 lety

    Super informative video and always glad to see the references in the description!

  • @Scipiworld
    @Scipiworld Před 2 lety +56

    Great video. For anyone who would like to try a decent meat alternative, I found out a while back that king oyster mushrooms with their fibery texture can be used as a template for making custom meats if cut into strips. Other ingredients can be added to tune to flavour, like tomato purée for a savoury flavour, or maple syrup and paprika for a smokey maple flavour. Cook the flavoured mushrooms until they start drying out, (at this point, they will be reddish brown and look a heck of a lot like meat). The end taste isn't beef, chicken, or pork, but still identifiable as a meat. I've made bacon, taco meat, and stir fry this way and it always impresses guests.

    • @nutzeeer
      @nutzeeer Před 2 lety +3

      King oyster mushrooms made like schnitzel is great. Better than actual meat.

    • @fanatic26
      @fanatic26 Před 2 lety

      mushrooms grow in feces, that says all you need to know

    • @MikeDawson1
      @MikeDawson1 Před 2 lety +17

      @@fanatic26 that doesn't say anything about anything

    • @MoistMayo
      @MoistMayo Před 2 lety +8

      @@fanatic26 Mushrooms were the first terrestrial life and are still here today. Mushrooms are likely the food of the future aswell, I don't like em personally but I have studied mycology long enough to know they are extremely important to our world, have amazing capabilities and hold great potential for large scale human sustenance. Mycelium networks are also the closest thing to intelligence in the plant kingdom.

    • @mgratk
      @mgratk Před 2 lety +2

      Sounds delicious, say aside a nice medium rare ribeye.

  • @unculturedmeat
    @unculturedmeat Před 2 lety +163

    I'm a New Harvest PhD fellow, working on growing cultured meat in my lab. Thank you for this beautiful video. Loved it!!

    • @unvergebeneid
      @unvergebeneid Před 2 lety +3

      Do you have to work with FBS?

    • @unculturedmeat
      @unculturedmeat Před 2 lety +2

      @@unvergebeneid Yes.

    • @claire-go9zo
      @claire-go9zo Před 2 lety +10

      you are a pioneer of innovation, thank you for being apart of a positive change!

    • @unvergebeneid
      @unvergebeneid Před 2 lety +2

      @@unculturedmeat oof, that's gotta be tough given how it's harvested...

    • @pirapatxie8897
      @pirapatxie8897 Před 2 lety +2

      @@unculturedmeat Is this video accurate?

  • @tomweather8887
    @tomweather8887 Před 2 lety +66

    Huh. So I work in meat inspection in NZ, and this makes a lot of sense. Fetuses and fetal blood are worth a lot of money. I knew it went into lab based stuff, but I'd always wondered what exactly.
    Also, just to add, and I only speak for where I am, but fetuses are always dead on arrival. Always. I know this because inspecting them is part of my job. But again, I'm only speaking for NZ, where we have very strict animal welfare regulations. To be honest, though, I can't even imagine how they would survive the slaughtering process.

    • @nellylicious9435
      @nellylicious9435 Před 2 lety +9

      Please know that I am in no way attacking you as an individual. But.. do you really believe any animal in the industry experiences any kind of welfare?

    • @diablo.the.cheater
      @diablo.the.cheater Před 2 lety +25

      @@nellylicious9435 Bees, bees are not keep in cages, bees can and will from time to time not return to the apicultor's panals. The thing with bees is more like we rent them some housing and collect honey in return, if the bees don't like that, they can leave at practically any moment, and from time to time they do.

    • @PerfectDeath4
      @PerfectDeath4 Před 2 lety +6

      @@diablo.the.cheater My mom's bees were 5 strong hives in 2020, then during 2021 one hive died of illness and 3 hives split. Splitting involves the queen leaving with some of the hive's drones and the remaining bees try to make a new queen. Unlucky for her, those 3 splits failed to produce a queen so she's going into 2022 with just 1 healthy hive.

    • @jeffersonott4357
      @jeffersonott4357 Před 2 lety

      @@diablo.the.cheater can the queen fly?

    • @hokehinson5987
      @hokehinson5987 Před 2 lety

      The resale of animal biomass to labs conducting all sorts of genetic crossing is big business. This is why in America there's a big push back over the SCOTUS decision over turning roe Vs Wade. That human biomass is sold worldwide for many medical needs. The umbilical cords used for human artery replacement. Much of it going to genetic labs and military labs. There was a rash of cadavers parts being illegally stored then being sold to medical schools, research labs and being used in reconstruction surgery tainted items causing death & injury. Not much was done few folks that got caught had their hands slapped. Feds too lame and states too weak to regulate. Big money in death & biomass....

  • @roundysquares
    @roundysquares Před 2 lety +5

    Soo... no one here talking about that very recent video on Upside Foods by Bloomberg Quicktake? They are about to launch a commercial scale pilot plant to grow artificial chicken breasts. If I recall correctly, those currently cost around 18$ per piece but are expected to drop in price as economies of scale kick in. They have also developed processes that don't require FBS.

  • @orchdork775
    @orchdork775 Před 2 lety +9

    I was literally cleaning my microwave at 14:31 😂

  • @DomyTheMad420
    @DomyTheMad420 Před 2 lety +21

    4:30 it was at this point i was reminded of the fact that using these techniques there is a place that server lab-grown 'human meat' to euh... to canibals.
    only way to legally be a canibal lmao

    • @Croz89
      @Croz89 Před 2 lety +2

      Would it be safe? I've heard there's a risk of prion infection from cannibalism.

    • @thettguy
      @thettguy Před 2 lety +7

      @@Croz89 That risk comes from brain tissue. But good old long pig muscle cells would be fine. Tastes like chicken.

    • @WanderTheNomad
      @WanderTheNomad Před 2 lety

      @@thettguy Wouldn't long pig taste more like pig than chicken?

    • @migueeeelet
      @migueeeelet Před 2 lety

      @@WanderTheNomad Guess he means pig muscle cells. Taste comes from a mix of tissues - fats, muscle, blood, etc. Unless you combine them all properly, it's like an unseasoned meal. It'll be bland.

    • @WanderTheNomad
      @WanderTheNomad Před 2 lety +6

      @@migueeeelet "Long pig" is a euphemism for human flesh

  • @shabnamparveen4970
    @shabnamparveen4970 Před 2 lety +1

    Pls never stop making videos
    I never know why this great channel is so underrrated

  • @Charvak-Atheist
    @Charvak-Atheist Před rokem +5

    This happens with most new technology.
    Prices remeains very high such that only few industry can use it for specilised purposes.
    Then it starts to decrease slowly.
    And then it decrease very rapidly such that it becomes household product.

  • @NoorquackerInd
    @NoorquackerInd Před 2 lety +20

    The fact that we need to harvest cow fetuses for lab-grown meat sounds like some Fullmetal Alchemist stuff

    • @GarageSupra
      @GarageSupra Před 2 lety +1

      It hardly happens any more, most labs are using alternative solutions

    • @marciabond339
      @marciabond339 Před 5 měsíci

      Right….so they say

  • @nathanly8761
    @nathanly8761 Před 2 lety +35

    I've worked in the cell cultured meat industry. We're moving past FBS. There's several alternatives, look up Okara. Also regarding scale, a company recently opened up a factory. Their prospective output is 100000 lbs of meat. And not just ground meat, breast and thigh are getting close to market.

    • @odd_shoe
      @odd_shoe Před 2 lety +6

      Sources please

    • @_SHIN1999
      @_SHIN1999 Před 2 lety +9

      Source: trust me bro

    • @nathanly8761
      @nathanly8761 Před 2 lety +11

      @Poseidon I'm an athlete too. It's kinda why I wanted to work in the cell cultured meat industry in the first place. It's as healthy as any other meat minus the fat. Current production issue is incorporating fat in the product

    • @drew7515
      @drew7515 Před 2 lety +2

      @@nathanly8761 people ask for a source and you only answered a question that wasn’t about your legitimacy? Come on

    • @nathanly8761
      @nathanly8761 Před 2 lety +6

      @@drew7515 Sorry let me rephrase, I have a degree in bioengineering, studied metabolic systems and biomechanics, and currently work in cell culture biotech. Recreationally I do sports and am health conscious especially taking into account the amount of time that I have studied the human body. Regarding the health of cell cultured meat. It is as healthy as normal meat because that is what it is. It'sjust growing the muscle cells directly in a bioreactor instead of having to grow a whole organism then harvest only part of it for food. If anything, due to the current inability to organically generate fat, the meat will be extremely lean.

  • @josueravena3464
    @josueravena3464 Před 2 lety +13

    Though the mushroom industry is having a hard time keeping up since they have surplus mushrooms but most ended up being killed rather than being sold. It would be nice to create a mushroom base meat. Since it will benefit the mushroom farms and their surplus issues can be bought and nothing can be wasted while at the same time keeping up with demand.

    • @mr.silhouette8452
      @mr.silhouette8452 Před 2 lety +2

      There are mycoprotein based meat alternatives, they're really good! The Quorn brand is a great example 👍

  • @Fkellog
    @Fkellog Před 2 lety

    Very nice presentation with the virtual board!

  • @HopperChopper
    @HopperChopper Před 2 lety +98

    LOVE your channel. You and Real Engineering are some of the best educators on the platform.

    • @realscience
      @realscience  Před 2 lety +32

      Thank you! That means a lot

    • @calamitoso0066
      @calamitoso0066 Před 2 lety +3

      I thought that both were the same author, and the name is simply to clasify the content.

    • @anveshanupam
      @anveshanupam Před 2 lety

      @@calamitoso0066 bro me too

    • @michaelwallace9291
      @michaelwallace9291 Před 2 lety

      @@calamitoso0066 I believe they used to work together

    • @codetech5598
      @codetech5598 Před 2 lety

      @@calamitoso0066 The logos suggest they are related.

  • @danielhandika8767
    @danielhandika8767 Před 2 lety +6

    What about cancer cells? Since they literally able to survive and grow on their own given correct condition and enough nutritions, can we eat them instead?

    • @victortitov1740
      @victortitov1740 Před 2 lety +1

      i find it strange it wasn't mentioned in the video tbh. We can't be the first to come up with this idea, it's pretty obvious. That boils down to genetic engineering, i suppose.

  • @romainquintosol4575
    @romainquintosol4575 Před 2 lety +2

    Wow, truely eye openning thanks for the video, it gives plenty of infos to follow up.

  • @jamesbaker8076
    @jamesbaker8076 Před 2 lety

    Amazing show. I'm very curious about Fabulous too btw.. Incredible narration Stephanie 👌

  • @deathlytree434
    @deathlytree434 Před 2 lety +5

    Yall just said there are specific alternatives they just arent as general use. If we have a synthetic for pork chicken and beef but they all need their own artificial serum then we dont need bovine blood.

  • @thewatchertube
    @thewatchertube Před 2 lety +4

    Love your honesty about your morning routine!! Right on spot. 🤗😘

  • @jamesmarno
    @jamesmarno Před 11 měsíci

    Thanks for a really informative video. This is exactly what I was looking for. Mainly for the FBS information. This all seems very complicated and expensive right now, but hopefully they will tackle the issues of FBS, water, energy and pricing in a few decades.
    The good news that I'm happy to know is that none of this is necessary. We don't require meat. I personally have not eaten an animal for almost a decade. I now also haven't eaten any animal products whatsoever for over 3 years.
    You can actually make a large batch of meaty tasting burgers out of simple every day healthy plant foods. I would have laughed at that idea years ago had I not tried it out myself. I make really nice tasting burgers out of green lentils, chickpeas, black beans, beetroot, mushroom, red onion, oats, herbs and spices. It's delicious! Totally tastes like a meaty burger. Except it's packed with protein, fibre, low in fat and zero cholesterol.
    For chicken, I make seitan. I make seitan for a lot of my plant based meat products should I want some. Some of the recipes out there are insane. And CHEAP!
    I understand that it's hard to cut out meat from your diet. I found it challenging when I first gave up. My advice is to approach it from a completely different perspective. Instead of coming at it from the environmental angle, we should try and look at it from the animal's perspective. Or in this case, the victim's perspective. I believe there is a far greater success rate when people go the ethical approach rather than the environmental approach. I recommend watching numerous documentaries on the subject of what animals endure for our foods. 'Dominion', 'Earthlings', 'Vegucated' and 'Land Of Hope And Glory' are all available free on CZcams.
    Good luck and thank you once again for the helpful information.

  • @Drahko12
    @Drahko12 Před 2 lety +6

    I’m on board for lab growth meat that tastes the same but has removed the drawbacks of natural meat. The tech is still in its infancy but I’m hopeful the scientists can overcome the challenges for the future of our planet

    • @casualsuede
      @casualsuede Před 2 lety +2

      Too many quitters on these comment boards for any new technology, whether lab grown meat, electric cars or wind/solar energy. From someone who came from the electronics industry, I heard the same "why do this?" argument when I saw the 1st generation plasma screen....that was 42 inches and cost over $40k. The same naysayers said no one would ever buy things flatscreens.....

    • @NicoKyunKyun
      @NicoKyunKyun Před 2 lety +1

      @@casualsuede true your naysayers said, i only game on curved screen

  • @Dzeno2010
    @Dzeno2010 Před 2 lety +11

    All I heard for FBS is that it's great for research and avoids having another variable to worry about. Which is critical when working at the cutting edge of a field as it save a lot of time. Secondly I didn't hear how much kg for kg was needed and especially what the theoretical maximum dilution is (as I doubt 10l per burger would really be needed if done and understood well). Lastly I heard that basically FBS is used because of a big lack of the scientists involved actually understanding what's going on like would usually be the case in Physics, Chemistry, etc. Very common thing I see in pharma, a lot of trial and error, which is okay but shows that they don't really understand what they are precisely doing (not saying they have no clue just saying it's in part data driven guess work). If you actually understand the science, you would know which components have what effects precisely and how/what the suicide mechanism triggers. Hell technically we could even use crispr to genetically modify the DNA such that we get stem cells where the function for suicide is disabled, however that requires enough understanding (and not doing this in sentient beings because tumors).
    As for the price, research stuff is generally pricy as hell because of the market, supply, demand, and type of buyers. You want to compare this to transistors and computers? in the 1980s a computer woud take up a huge ass room and cost millions, your phone nowadays is more powerful than thousands of those computers and costs 200-1000€, if we account for inflation and all that, the price reduction of transistors is probably in the hundreds of thousands.
    TLDR; all I heard is a clear lack of understanding of the topic and it being pushed by potential "fast" future profit more so than fundamental research.

  • @canaldoapolinario
    @canaldoapolinario Před 2 lety +99

    Hi, I think a follow up video with the startups/methods that don't use FBS would be interesting. I've watched a WSJ piece in late-2018 about a israeli "lab grown steak" company called Aleph Farms that I got excited about at the time. After watching this video, I checked whether they used FBS - which would've bummed me out - turns out in the FAQ of their website they say they don't

    • @BannDesigns
      @BannDesigns Před 2 lety +35

      True! The statement in this video is just wrong. There are many companies who research an animal-free FBS and use it already. Mosa Meat is one of them. They use it since 2019 and wouldn‘t even continue research on labgrown meat if it wasn‘t possible without harming animals.

    • @SgtCarter69
      @SgtCarter69 Před 2 lety +8

      @@BannDesigns Most of the production is based on FBS because of price competitivity, therefore she's not entirely wrong.
      Oh and at 8:24 she even mentioned FastGro - a cruelty free alternative

    • @BannDesigns
      @BannDesigns Před 2 lety +3

      @@SgtCarter69 Still, she only uses FastGro as single example and states it as it would be the only hope developing cultivated meat. That not true since there are many other companies / organizations who research this type of medium or already found one.
      And yes, many companies / organizations still rely on FBS gained from animals. That doesn‘t mean that it‘s not possible to do it without / do further research to find a solution (which like stated some already did).

    • @gohunt001-5
      @gohunt001-5 Před 2 lety +1

      now i wonder if maybe growing cancer cells is a viable alternative, since it already doesn't self destruct, it doesn't need FBS, the problems it would have would be not having an immune system and probably the inability to make the regular strands of mucsle fibers that contribute to the texture of meat.
      still, i wonder if any startup out there is using this approach...

    • @Keefboi
      @Keefboi Před 2 lety +4

      @@gohunt001-5 I feel like eating cancer cells would create some side effects right?

  • @Charvak-Atheist
    @Charvak-Atheist Před rokem +1

    Currently Fetus FBS is used but its not nessseary that it will be used in future.
    Lets see what are the ingredients needed of cell culture-
    1. Glucose
    2. Amino Acids
    3. Vitamins
    4. Salts.
    4. Growth Factor (FBS)
    There is a technology called Precision Fermentation,
    In which microorganisms eat Glucose and produce the desigred Bio chemical.
    We can genetically edit them to produce whatever Bio-Chemical we want.
    (Insulin is an example)
    So if we have Glucose we can produce Amino Acids, Vitamins as well as FBS, because FBS is also a form of Complex Protins.
    And any kind of complex protin can be sythentisised via Precision Fermentation.
    Secondary, Glucose can also be produced in Lab using GMO bacteria that performs Chemosynthesis insted of Photosynthesis.
    So theoretically its possible to culture cell without using killing animal and even without using plant of Glucose.
    Today is expensive because both Gene Editing and Precision fermentation technology is in its initial stage, but as technology matures in next 10-15 years, it will become very cheap and common as compared to traditional meat and dairy.
    Its just a matter of time.

  • @johnmcevoy3598
    @johnmcevoy3598 Před 2 lety +2

    So, theoretically, a lab-grown human brain burger...
    Wow - did I just completely skeeve myself out before I could finish...

  • @RobinHood-lz2wj
    @RobinHood-lz2wj Před 2 lety +5

    It’s an interesting perspective. Tony Seba predicts that livestock based meat production will be a small fraction of what it is today within 10 years based on declining cost curves. The climate rationale for eliminating meats from our diets has a couple of weaknesses from my perspective. There is no doubt that our current industrial ag model for both plant and animal based foods is horribly destructive. But there is another way. Regenerative ag uses animals as tools in their normal roles in the ecology to bring life back to damaged soils. People are also building soil back in badly eroded areas. And our grasslands represent an even bigger carbon sink than our forests. Thanks for your research! Keep it up. Reach out to us at Hood Family Farms. We are nearby.

    • @pluspiping
      @pluspiping Před 2 lety +1

      Exactly this. Most of our worldwide landscape cannot be used for any kind of agriculture - sustainable or not. Livestock animals can make use of (and restore healthier ecosystems to) land that would never be feasibly for growing crops.
      We can develop better agricultural regulations to protect animal welfare, and switch to renewable energy sources for all the actions we take around the animal (and its carass if it's slaughtered).
      The solution to a sustainable future is not one-size fits all!

  • @patrybc8843
    @patrybc8843 Před rokem +31

    "We shall scape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken to eat the breast or the wing" That really is absurd. From the chicken we eat it all. The breast, the drumsticks, the quarters, the thighs, the wings and we can even make a broth with the bones

    • @johnsmith-ro2tw
      @johnsmith-ro2tw Před rokem

      A chicken fart produces 3 tons of methane gas, more than what bill gates private jet emits on his daily 8 minutes flight across Seattle to skip traffic jams on the roads. Few people know this. That's why we should stop eating chicken and start eating crickets instead.

    • @ramseyk.389
      @ramseyk.389 Před rokem +4

      @@johnsmith-ro2tw You’re joking right?

    • @c_5nco
      @c_5nco Před rokem +3

      @@ramseyk.389 I don't understand why you think they'd be joking? I don't see anything in their comment that could be a problem. I'm genuinely asking (not coming at you, just curious)

    • @millennialodyssey5956
      @millennialodyssey5956 Před rokem +4

      Exactly. The broth from the bones is really good for you too.

    • @brnwlls1518
      @brnwlls1518 Před 11 měsíci +5

      That's the way God intended it all plants and animals of the land, birds of the sky and fish of the waters of the earth were placed here to sustain and serve all mankind but man does not have the right to play God. Growing meat outside of the body that God created is bad, and an abomination in the eyes of God

  • @angelinafahm
    @angelinafahm Před 11 měsíci +1

    I recently bought ground beef to make hamburger steak. The meat cooked for over 30 minutes and if you cook you know ground meat cooks fast, even in Pattie’s. 30 minutes is more than enough time and it still wasn’t cooked all the way. It seemed no matter how long I cooked it for it wouldn’t completely cook. It was light red in the middle & the texture was mushy. I joked about it being human meat but this is actually scary and makes me wonder if it was lab grown.

    • @iamskorch
      @iamskorch Před 11 měsíci

      Sick part is, you can't guarantee you Weren't eating human meat or something else you didn't know about.
      Who knows what they put in packaged food to sell us these days. FDA approved or "safe" on packaging means basically nothing.

  • @jimmygravitt1048
    @jimmygravitt1048 Před 2 lety +1

    One other comment, you mentioned at least a couple times that none of the synthetic serums that have been developed fill the wide range of needs that FBS does, but you never said why that is necessary. For example, why does it matter if we have to use a different serum for each kind of meat?

  • @indietraveller
    @indietraveller Před 2 lety +26

    Any cultivated meat company that's serious about scaling up is not using FBS. It's a useful shortcut in the research/lab phase but obviously not what will be used for any cultivated meat that ends up on store shelves in the future. It's a pity that your video could make people needlessly worried about this very promising technology.

    • @slamrock17
      @slamrock17 Před 2 lety +2

      I hope you realize switching to lab grown meat would cause way more pollution than we are producing with our current meat industry. In fact most land that is used for cows can not grow any food whatsoever except drought resistant grass. Think about it this way. Rn biological machines(cows) are literally converting useless grass into super calorie dense meat. Lab grown meat is a stepping stone for organ growing one day so I am glad it has an industry driving its advancement.

    • @sophiedowney1077
      @sophiedowney1077 Před 2 lety +11

      @@slamrock17 though most of the time, cows aren't converting grass into meat, but soy. Even supposing the land used for the cows themselves is useless, the land used to grow soy for cows could be used to grow crops for humans. 33% of croplands are used for growing crops just to feed animals, which produce less than 10% of the calories they consume. And even if lab meat uses electricity, it doesn't produce methane like cows do because it has no digestive system. Lab grown meat has the potential to be really awesome and decrease the amount of land wasted on feeding livestock.

    • @indietraveller
      @indietraveller Před 2 lety +6

      @@slamrock17 Animals are fed more than just grass. Just look at maps of just how much land area is dedicated to making food for animals that we eat. That production can be diverted to input for cultivated meat - and it works out to be far more efficient with the potential to return vast areas of land back to nature

    • @slamrock17
      @slamrock17 Před 2 lety +1

      @@sophiedowney1077 you miss the point. If the cows are converting soy into human food what makes you think a laboratory process can do it more effectively? In order for us to harvest and process the soy into edible food product for human use, far more money resources and energy is wasted.

    • @slamrock17
      @slamrock17 Před 2 lety

      @@indietraveller Those maps you mention prove my point. Cows are multi stomached and they can convert inedible plant proteins into human food in much more effecient way than any laboratory. Another problem with your assessment here is if we switched to a meatless future that would increase the amount of soy getting farmed which you admitted is the major issue with the meat industry as a whole. Your argument hinges on the misleading idea that people can just eat the soy that the cows would be eating. The problem is that in order for a human to eat soy the soybeans have to be processed which takes far more energy than the process of fermentation in a cows gut.

  • @justzephan2267
    @justzephan2267 Před 2 lety +5

    I was going to write a comment about the possibilities of genetic modification but decided against it bc I didn’t wanna have to deal with the people replying. Then boom a full third of the video was about it. I agree with all the concerns and I think we need to change a lot about our food system.

  • @sethitzkan
    @sethitzkan Před 5 měsíci

    Hi. Great video. Is it possible to get a downloadable version of the transcript? Thank you.

  • @BridoTube
    @BridoTube Před 2 lety +1

    Your channel is great and your videos always interesting, but why do you create choppy / jerky animations ? They feel like 15 FPS or even lower and honestly they are quite unpleasant to the eye especially with the weird motion blur that doesn't work at that kind of framerate. I hope you'll consider making smoother animations in the future :)

  • @flightographist
    @flightographist Před 2 lety +3

    So, lab grown is exponentially more questionable behavior.

  • @pyrofreezer
    @pyrofreezer Před 2 lety +29

    I'm currently doing a write-up on meat and paradigm shift for diet. This is really helpful... Thanks

    • @N0Xa880iUL
      @N0Xa880iUL Před 2 lety +3

      Drop a link when you do

    • @pyrofreezer
      @pyrofreezer Před 2 lety +3

      Oh I'm just a uni student not a researcher yet 😅

    • @N0Xa880iUL
      @N0Xa880iUL Před 2 lety +4

      @@pyrofreezer Then drop a link when you do

    • @migueeeelet
      @migueeeelet Před 2 lety

      Might want to check r/wheresthebeef , because I swear, this sector has skyrocketed in two months lol.
      It went from "we have a proof of concept" to "we're establishing a fully functional plant" and the next step is "FBS no more!".

  • @amiralozse1781
    @amiralozse1781 Před 2 lety

    thats the best doku on the subject Ive seen ever!!!
    you just need to adress how to provide the cell cultures with a very complex, refined and sterile growth medium. and how to process all the waste products

  • @TTOMO2x1-1
    @TTOMO2x1-1 Před 2 lety +1

    Has anyone checked out "Future-Meat"? I'd prefer this over the future bugs that are being pushed as a solution!
    They claim 96% less freshwater use
    99% less land, 80% less greenhouse emissions.
    They also say they "broke the $5 barrier, bringing production costs down to $1.70", "Cells are only sourced from animals one time", "We created lines of animal cells that grow forever without the need for genetic modifications, removing the need to slaughter animals for the food we eat."
    This is some info linked through their press page recently 2/14/22:
    "Future Meat earlier this year opened a cultivated meat production line in Israel and currently is scouting several locations in the United States for a planned large-scale production facility. The company, which produces cultivated chicken, lamb, beef and pork, in December raised $347 million in Series B financing co-led by ADM Ventures."

  • @brett4264
    @brett4264 Před 2 lety +4

    Wow! I saw a TED Talk that made it sound like lab grown meat was right around the corner and to be cheaper than real meat. The more you know....

    • @migueeeelet
      @migueeeelet Před 2 lety +1

      Mosa Meat announced a year ago that they had an FBS alternative that cost 88x less. Upside Foods, the one with the new pilot plant, has a working alternative in place and they're currently putting it into practice. They're committed to only releasing products to market that are 100% free from animal slaughter.

    • @byteyotta
      @byteyotta Před 2 lety +5

      It is right around the corner. The script for this video was probably written 4 years ago. Cultured meat startups have made a lot more progress than this video implies. Many products entering the market in 2022-2023 with competitive pricing.

    • @burgerman101
      @burgerman101 Před 2 lety

      @@byteyotta I don’t know if this is relevant, but I can literally buy affordable lab grown ice cream from my local grocery store. It’s called Brave Robot ice cream. It’s basically identical to regular ice cream, but it doesn’t come from an animal or contain lactose so lactose intolerant people can eat it as well (Although I’m sure they could add lactose to it if they wanted to). My point is that if lab grown dairy is already a thing, I don’t see how lab grown meat will not also be a thing in the near future.

  • @ImplodedAtom
    @ImplodedAtom Před 2 lety +11

    Honestly, if you can't even make the chicken taste just like chicken then you've definitely got a long way to go.

    • @QuantumFluxable
      @QuantumFluxable Před 2 lety +1

      try marinading and frying some jackfruit, it tastes a lot like chicken and you can easily buy it canned. plus there's 0% cow fetus in there :)

    • @just4deez
      @just4deez Před 2 lety

      Have you tried mushrooms. Some of them actually get remarkably close to the texture of chicken.

  • @MissJean63
    @MissJean63 Před 2 lety +1

    One thing about taste. When we eat meat, it’s not just the muscle tissue. There’s blood, lymphatic fluids, along with everything you listed. It’s a very complex combination that science can’t replicate. Let’s not forget about the Maillard effect if browning.

    • @danopticon
      @danopticon Před 2 lety +1

      But interestingly, burgers and hot dogs are usually placed in a tasty sesame bun after getting smothered in seasonings and relish, or steaks get smothered in salt and ketchup … and usually after being charred to a tasteless crisp … so what most people appear to crave are the condiments and the toppings for which meat just serves as a delivery vehicle. Place a piece of cardboard or styrofoam between two tasty slices of sesame bun, and top it with celery salt, ketchup, mustard, pickles, red onion, relish, aioli mayonnaise, lettuce, and heirloom tomato slices … 9,999 people out of a 1,000 wouldn’t know the difference-and especially not if you ply them with a few microbrews first!

    • @pretendfriend1417
      @pretendfriend1417 Před 2 lety

      @@danopticon I disagree. I can eat unseasoned steak. Its so delicious.

  • @jeffersonott4357
    @jeffersonott4357 Před 2 lety

    Just noticed this, but "I occasionally clean the inside of my microwave" with the ×4 video of her doing it has me rolling!

  • @DinosaurEmperor84
    @DinosaurEmperor84 Před 2 lety +148

    I have always been excited about the concept of lab grown meat. Many people think the idea is gross while eating meat from animals that potentially ate their own shit, was diseased as hell or suffered. I think it's just a matter of time until they figure it out and I will be more than willing to transition to it at least in part. Cant wait to have meat balls that didn't take a life or was waste meat like the ones I have now.

    • @slep1654
      @slep1654 Před 2 lety +11

      You can use meat substitutes, like beyond or impossible meat. For ground beef they’re really great. I use them for meatballs, patties, and taco meat. Those kinds of food have so many other tastes that it can be pretty hard to notice a difference. Just try and reduce how much meat you eat! Don’t think you have to be all or nothing. I still eat seafood and steak occasionally.

    • @alveolate
      @alveolate Před 2 lety +7

      the concept isn't the issue here tho... it's the actual cost - both financially AND ethically. did u not watch the video? FBS... makes it even worse.

    • @davidjray26
      @davidjray26 Před 2 lety +5

      @@alveolate except the video conveniently left out that companies have been using an alternate solution to FBS for some years now.

    • @jacksonweese951
      @jacksonweese951 Před 2 lety

      @@davidjray26 I strongly disagree and unless you have studies and sources saying otherwise you're simply supporting a horrific and disgusting branch of scientific development

    • @jypsridic
      @jypsridic Před 2 lety +1

      I can practically guarantee that you've eaten your own shit Dinosaur Emperor.

  • @Tawanda99
    @Tawanda99 Před rokem +4

    Thank you Real Science. Excellent video. Such a cruel process. This information needs to reach the masses!!

  • @kevinmaxwell6610
    @kevinmaxwell6610 Před rokem +2

    I can be flexible and would try the lab-burger because I do eat beef often. I remember what we said about the microwave, nobody's gonna use it because we don't want radiation poisoning 🙄. If it works we go with it. Make it work and we'll use it !

  • @platima
    @platima Před 2 lety

    Well said. Love hearing your voice.
    What book?

  • @aniksamiurrahman6365
    @aniksamiurrahman6365 Před 2 lety +4

    Something tells me that we should rather invest in a new form of research, where we'll do organ culture. An organ which will have in built circulation and hence immune system and from where we can regularly trim kilos of meat like trimming leafs from a plant. This would be the 2nd gen lab grown meat, which might not need expensive things like FBS and recombinant growth factors and will only grow meat instead of an entire animal.

  • @jeffersonott4357
    @jeffersonott4357 Před 2 lety +3

    I’m not sure why FBS was introduced with that negative inflection. I suppose it’s not completely animal free, but I think a very good case could still be made to day that it is still Cruelty free. To me at least, the cruelty aspect is my moral objection to eating factory farmed meat, if you remove the cruelty aspect, I, and I suspect a lot of people, have no moral objection to eating animal products.

  • @kylemathew205
    @kylemathew205 Před 2 lety

    Always appreciate the education👌🏾.

  • @katherinewilson3167
    @katherinewilson3167 Před 2 lety

    Does the FBS eventually stop working at telling the cells to keep replicating? Along with that, how do our bodies react to that in digestion? Do they but things in different places?

  • @nathansamuelson
    @nathansamuelson Před 2 lety +4

    We may have to resort to modifying the cells of the meat in order to make it grow in a lab. The current process "works" but not well enough to justify it. If we could tweak the cells to grow better on their own or trick them to think they're in a body we could make synthetic meat more viable.

    • @sailor5853
      @sailor5853 Před rokem

      And freaking lab grown cancer

    • @kimlarso
      @kimlarso Před rokem

      Tweak it to trick it? Just vaccinate it then

    • @erinm9445
      @erinm9445 Před rokem

      Tricking them to think they are in a body is exactly what FBS does (as do any vegan alternatives to FBS)

  • @esmenhamaire6398
    @esmenhamaire6398 Před 2 lety +35

    Interesting video! I had no idea about the FBS aspect of lab-grown meat. Here's hoping that a purely synthetic version can be created soon, for those that insist on eating actual meat. Meanwhile, I started trying plant-based products some years ago, to see what they're like and how good they're getting. (I'm in the UK btw). 30 years ago, a sausage-meat replacement was good enough that a chap at a party wouldnt believe there as nothing from an animal in teh sausage rolls I'd made and brought to the party - but that was about the only meat-substitute product I could honestly say I liked back then.
    More recently, I've come to prefer plant protein burgers to actual meat ones; ditto the sausages and meatballs that I buy. There are some good non-dairy cheeses (and have been for some years), although if you expect , say, an exact replica of Cheddar cheese, you may be out of luck, but if you simply regard them as new types of cheese to try and hopefully enjoy, chances are decent you'll find one you like. Milk was my main sticking point, particularly for use in tea. But about a year ago, I came across oat milk, and it is yummy, and doesnt negatively affect the taste of tea (IMO. YMMV). Bacon substitutes - they're nice enough in themselves, but only about 2/3-3/4 the way to being as close to real bacon as the burgers are to beefburgers.
    TLDR - There ARE good plant-based substitutes for processed meat products, and even some dairy products. The same can't be said for cuts of meat (although as I only ever liked processed meats, that wasnt a problem for me). The quality of the the substitutes (in terms of taste and texture compared to the real thing) can vary widely between manufacturers though, so it's worth trying more than just one brand. One way and another, good luck, all, with doing your best to adapt your diet in the way that is most suitable for you!

    • @BannDesigns
      @BannDesigns Před 2 lety +11

      The statement in this video that it wouldn‘t be possible to grow labgrown meat without FBS from animals is just wrong.
      Take Mosa Meat, the creators of the first lab grown burger patty in the video as an example. They state the following: „Developing an alternative to FBS was a difficult task that took Mosa Meat years of research, but our scientists have been able to completely remove it from our media.“
      They accomplished this in 2019 and wouldn‘t continue research if it wasn‘t possible to grow labgrown meat without FBS from animals.

    • @DemonLordGamingAC0
      @DemonLordGamingAC0 Před 2 lety +1

      I really like these ideas. But when every month groceries just eat whatever money we get, this more expensive alternative isn't viable. (I'm Brazillian btw)

    • @PresidentialWinner
      @PresidentialWinner Před 2 lety

      Ditto, TLDR, IMO, YMMV, dude you need to use less of these things roflmao
      To your comment; It's true the substitutes have become better and will continue to do so. But the argument for lab grown meat is that it's not "kind of like" or "similar to" it's the same product, only made without any ethical baggage that comes from meat production. It's the endgame. For example i don't mind oatmilk either, but i do prefer regular milk. So i am quite happy that they (some scientists/companies) are also creating synthetic milk which uses vats and bacteria. The end product is identical to milk.

    • @PresidentialWinner
      @PresidentialWinner Před 2 lety +1

      Oh and i read about a seaweed which tastes like bacon when fried. It seems impossible but i would love to try that.

    • @DemonLordGamingAC0
      @DemonLordGamingAC0 Před 2 lety +1

      @@PresidentialWinner with the right seasoning it look very plausible

  • @orionbukantis6470
    @orionbukantis6470 Před 2 lety +1

    For anyone that wants a meat substitute right now that's already similarly priced and more environmentally friendly than meat, Impossible burger / sausage is my favorite out of the dozen or so kinds I've tried. It's the only one where I might actually think it was meat, if I was eating a burger and didn't know what it was.

    • @edstar83
      @edstar83 Před rokem

      How did I escape the "climate change' the indoctrination camp?

  • @mrtencza
    @mrtencza Před 2 lety

    This issue with the FBS, does it only apply to beef/cows, or is it also an issue with pork, chicken, fish, etc?

  • @quixomega
    @quixomega Před 2 lety +23

    I'm glad you included the part about serum, far too much of the coverage of lab grown meat omits it and it's one of the two biggest issues for lab grown meat. The other, of course being extremely high energy usage. The other issues are serious, but probably reducible.

    • @thrdeye7304
      @thrdeye7304 Před rokem

      On the other hand, condensing the blood of 666 cow fetuses into a double cheeseburger is metal as fuck and I want one. \m/

    • @writerchick94
      @writerchick94 Před rokem +3

      Yeah that was pretty horrifying

    • @mnomadvfx
      @mnomadvfx Před 7 měsíci

      Any process as arguable immature as lab cultured meat is likely to be ripe for serious optimisation of energy use.
      As they are still concentrating on the science a la FBS alternatives they are likely not concentrating on the area of facility/process optimisation at this point - that will come further down the line.

  • @John_does
    @John_does Před 2 lety +12

    Question, you said FBS is the only known compound useble in all lab grown meats, is there others more specialised compounds that exist out there?

    • @migueeeelet
      @migueeeelet Před 2 lety +18

      There are, in fact. Quote from someone else
      "Mosa Meat announced a year ago that they had an FBS alternative that cost 88x less. Upside Foods, the one with the new pilot plant, has a working alternative in place and they're currently putting it into practice. They're committed to only releasing products to market that are 100% free from animal slaughter. "

    • @just4deez
      @just4deez Před 2 lety

      FBS is a known complex media (i.e. a mixture of organic materials that are not chemically pure and not specifically identified chemical components) that works well on many lab grown meats. To replace the functions of the different components in FBS we can use defined media (a mixture where its composition is exactly known) but the required nutrients and growth factor required in this defined media is dependent on the species of cells being grown. Furthermore, creating defined media requires mixing pure or purified components which can be extremely expensive (such as examples stated in this video). You would require a mixture of amino acids, sugars, salts, growth factors, cofactors (usually on the order of 50 or more components) that are essential for cellular growth and to prevent the cells from differentiating. You need these factors to make the cells grow and to prevent the cells from transforming into forms that you don't want (e.g. you want muscle cells not nerve cells). There are alternative complex media to FBS such as plant-derived lysates for example, which contain all the essential amino acids, but you still have to add in specific growth factors and nutrients before they can be used to grow animal cells.

    • @aidanmccreary8727
      @aidanmccreary8727 Před 2 lety

      I work with cultured meat and grow cell cultures using Serum Free media that doesn't contain FBS or any other animal-derived compounds. So yea there are more specialized compounds but they tend to be pretty specific and don't always work as well as FBS does

  • @jakeeasterwood3204
    @jakeeasterwood3204 Před rokem +1

    This year is the 50 year anniversary of the release of the SciFi movie “Soylent Green”.

  • @jpslayermayor9293
    @jpslayermayor9293 Před 2 lety +1

    It isnt mentioned here but Ive heard disinformation that plant based meat that tastes like animal meat is grown and requires fetal bovine syndrome FBS. This isnt true, there is a huge difference between lab grown meat cells and plant based meat. Unlike Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat which use plants to try and recreate the taste of meat, lab-grown meat takes a slightly different approach. It takes the stem cells from an animal and places them in a bioreactor, encouraging the growth of more cells that can be used to create a new cut of meat.

  • @LotsOfFunyoutubechannel
    @LotsOfFunyoutubechannel Před 2 lety +4

    Imma enjoy my mushrooms .
    Not quite meat, not worse than it.

  • @comeraczy2483
    @comeraczy2483 Před 2 lety +75

    Thanks for that great video. At times it sounds a bit unfairly pessimistic and I think that it is important to remember that cellular agriculture is engineering: necessity will lead to success in one form or another. As there isn't enough space on earth to feed all of humanity the same diet as the top 25% biggest food consumers, it is absolutely necessary to transition from traditional farming to much more effective food production methods and cellular agriculture is the only humane way forward at the moment. If only a small part of the $540bn annual worldwide farming subsidies were redirected to R&D in cellular agriculture, the pace of progress would be a lot faster.

    • @YaKupoKitty
      @YaKupoKitty Před 2 lety +17

      Or, you know, a switch to a more plant-based diet with lowered meat consumption? Which we could do like… now?

    • @haught7576
      @haught7576 Před 2 lety +2

      @@YaKupoKitty lmao, the ONLY way, it’s inhumane to not eat meat!

    • @josephcoon5809
      @josephcoon5809 Před 2 lety +3

      @@YaKupoKitty You can devolve. I’m good with maintaining the species’ brain mass by ingesting animal proteins.

    • @comeraczy2483
      @comeraczy2483 Před 2 lety +12

      @@YaKupoKitty you are absolutely right, lowering meat consumption is the elegant, simple, rational and healthy way to not creating a major problem in the first place. Sadly, elegant, simple, rational and healthy behaviours don't seem to be a notable strength of humanity. If there was any doubt left, a large number of heavy duty nails have been hammered deep into that coffin lately. More and more people believe that the privilege of eating hundreds of pounds of beef every year is one of their fundamental right and they are eager to exercise it as soon as they can afford it. I believe that fighting against these behaviours is a lost battle and that the only way to address the entirely man-made problems associated with meat over-consumption is to rely on science and technologies.

    • @just4deez
      @just4deez Před 2 lety +1

      @@josephcoon5809 Some people are apparently led to believe that animal foods are not necessary for optimal function for Homo sapiens. You can pretty much thank the Seventh-day Adventist church and the dozen or so vegan Professors sitting around our public health boards and universities for that. Animal foods are prized in every culture including vegetarian ones (dairy is prized). But apparently modern-day humans are led to believe that they are not required for health (or worse, bad for health). This is despite the thousands of biochemistry and physiology papers (as in actual biochemical mechanisms, not epidemiological "studies") showing how nutrients from animal foods are essential to health. This shows that with proper marketing, you can get people to ignore good science.

  • @jameswisegarver3120
    @jameswisegarver3120 Před 2 lety

    Interesting episode, crazy where that science is. The best part was the commercial at the end, the I will never do this part.

  • @KooriPlays
    @KooriPlays Před 2 lety

    This needs more exposure. Gonna be sharing.

  • @AustinsAwesomeAdventures
    @AustinsAwesomeAdventures Před 2 lety +3

    The topic is fascinating and it can help but like all great ideas there are always downsides Subsequently; This idea is better then slaughtering for meat so I am pushing for this idea too

  • @bluebonic3497
    @bluebonic3497 Před 2 lety +56

    Man, the FBS thing always sounded like something more research could fix, but the whole zero immune system problem is a complete project killer. I cant think of a single way of fixing that without defeating the whole point.

    • @johnnyjack4079
      @johnnyjack4079 Před 2 lety +3

      There is a company that make lab grown meat, without using it

    • @Tobertus
      @Tobertus Před 2 lety +2

      @@johnnyjack4079 can you mention a link or reference?

    • @johnnyjack4079
      @johnnyjack4079 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Tobertus I was pretty sure I had watched a video on CZcams, was about grown lab chicken and if I wasn't mistaken I think they use plant based. I Googled it but said it's on the way just not ready yet

    • @Tobertus
      @Tobertus Před 2 lety +1

      @@johnnyjack4079 Probably so, very interesting! Thanks for the info :)

    • @hughson9229
      @hughson9229 Před 2 lety +14

      @@Tobertus I searched on Google and it says "Okara"
      "Food scientists in Singapore are working to use okara, a byproduct of tofu production, to make cheaper cell-based meat. It can replace the use of fetal bovine serum (FBS) used in cellular agriculture that is expensive and comes from animals."

  • @shaunregenbaum
    @shaunregenbaum Před 2 lety +1

    There are many alternatives to FBS today. Future Meat Technologies does not use FBS.

  • @joshp5151
    @joshp5151 Před 7 měsíci

    Wow
    Thank you so much for putting this out there 👍🏽👍🏽

  • @starbase218
    @starbase218 Před 2 lety +5

    I can't help but feel that this move away from nature to labs for our food is not the right thing to do. Even now, there's a difference between supermarket meat and wild meat. In terms of taste, how it fills you up, etc. I appreciate the content, and maybe I'm wrong. But... I just don't know.

    • @dosd8048
      @dosd8048 Před 2 lety +1

      Not to mention the growth hormones and other chemicals added to this cardboard product just to create a pretend small piece of manmade protein.
      I recall chickens that were innoculated with hormonal growth promoters caused all sorts of issues with development issues in children who consumed these chickens.

    • @madman5100
      @madman5100 Před 2 lety

      Youre right

    • @marciabond339
      @marciabond339 Před 5 měsíci

      Yes, you know. Besides, as part of natural agriculture we need the manure to grow veggies for the brain dead vegans.

  • @DMahalko
    @DMahalko Před 2 lety +3

    In general I expect a lab grown T-bone steak is going to be very unlike the real thing and will have a vague similar appearance. The bones will be extruded like huge long straight pasta noodles from a calcium bone paste and then a long tubular shaped slab of muscle will be glued onto the bone with a material that will resemble ligament when it firms up. The resulting T-bone "slab" is then run through a cutter to form each individual steak.

    • @ohhi8323
      @ohhi8323 Před rokem

      imagine yourself being someone's steak. Please go vegan, animals don't exist to fulfill human demands and pleasures.

    • @publiccharge3847
      @publiccharge3847 Před rokem

      I think the best use would be ground meat like in fast food hamburgers or chicken sandwiches. Don't expect a T bone

  • @Feynman981
    @Feynman981 Před 2 lety +2

    I live in the mountains. Openly speaking, I prefer the meat of cows, sheep and goats living in our area than anything industrially processed.
    They live a good life, have tons of good natural food. They are better for the ecosystem than some artificial factories.

    • @SweatierAcorn
      @SweatierAcorn Před 2 lety +1

      The big problem is the big companies mass production of unsustainable meat, lab meat is mainly meant to replace that way of mass production. Least that's how I see it.

    • @ricardomontalban6467
      @ricardomontalban6467 Před měsícem

      Lear. To. Respect. Other. Living. Creatures. Lives

  • @Destiny975_Hollow-Finkelhuben

    hope the science find a way to make this really useable.

  • @CruzMonrreal
    @CruzMonrreal Před 2 lety +9

    It's always a good day when a new Real Science vid is released.
    This reminds me of videos made by What I Learned that discussed some common misconceptions about meat and its environmental impact.

    • @barneyclifton6402
      @barneyclifton6402 Před 2 lety

      Reminds me of the misconception that meat production is the problem.

  • @Captain7484
    @Captain7484 Před 2 lety +10

    It's almost like we aren't supposed to be doing this. I don't think I will seek out lab made meat. No one knows the long term effects of ingesting such a product.

    • @GarudaLegends
      @GarudaLegends Před rokem

      horrible, like all garbage made in a lab.

    • @benmassi8333
      @benmassi8333 Před 4 měsíci

      Is there going to make it so you don't really have a choice

    • @VivekPatel-ze6jy
      @VivekPatel-ze6jy Před měsícem

      Chemically it's no different from normal meat, if anything it might be healthier due to there not being antibiotics in it.
      I get being cautious, but I can guarantee you that diet coke is more harmful to your health than lab grown meat, due to the ridiculous amount of phosphoric acid they add.

    • @ricardomontalban6467
      @ricardomontalban6467 Před měsícem

      You. Have. To. Realize. That. Sich. A. Product 17:30. . Ots. Just. The. Dame. As. The. Product. Pf. The. Assassinated. Animal8

    • @ricardomontalban6467
      @ricardomontalban6467 Před měsícem

      They. Will. Be. The. Same. Tissue. Replica. Of. An. Assassinated. Only. . Cow.

  • @austinobst8989
    @austinobst8989 Před 2 lety +1

    I'm interested in the future of this technology. If we can get perpetual cultures to work, this could become a lot more efficient than growing a whole cow. Plus, might even taste better if we can control every factor. Ethics and hunger solved.

  • @nicholasn.2883
    @nicholasn.2883 Před 2 lety +1

    I can't wait for Wendover Production's "Economics of Baby Blood"

  • @redhidinghood9337
    @redhidinghood9337 Před 2 lety +3

    The most educational edutainment channel. You always deliver exceptional content

  • @russellzauner
    @russellzauner Před 2 lety +21

    This seems like a lot of trouble to go through to create something that already has several analogues in the fungus/mushroom world. In fact, we're trying to back-replicate mushrooms, looking at the process.
    I am an omnivore but I have also started to keep chickens and now I don't really feel like eating them or their eggs (I used to LOVE eggs, it was a primary protein for me and ate them every day at more than one meal usually). I have a feeling if I keep a pig or cow it will end up the same, so outside of sea bugs the only alternatives are finding other proteins.

    • @kennethkho7165
      @kennethkho7165 Před 2 lety +6

      I disagree. In the grand scheme of things, doesn't really cost much to attempt making economically viable lab grown meat, so it's not really "a lot of trouble". And it's great if you love mushrooms, but it's also great to have many affordable consumer choice. At the end, only consumers can provide answers to the fundamental economic questions: "What should we produce? How should we produce it? For whom should we produce it?"

    • @oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368
      @oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 Před 2 lety +6

      I agree. There's an industry that's perfected growing, managing, and processing natural beef. The money and effort should be spent on making that industry more humane and more environmentally friendly.
      For all the people with moral qualms, there's always abstinence, tofu, vitamins and bugs for their dietary replacements.

    • @russellzauner
      @russellzauner Před 2 lety +1

      @@kennethkho7165 "great if you love mushrooms"
      I hate mushrooms, they are slimy and gross. But I like meals made with chicken of the woods, lobster claw, etc. THEY LITERALLY LOOK AND TASTE LIKE MEAT.
      You have been conditioned by the meat industry, another puppet of Keynesian Economics. You now have the burden of knowledge. What you do with it is how you will live your life thereafter.

    • @russellzauner
      @russellzauner Před 2 lety

      @@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368
      You seem like the kind of person that would recommend abstinence for the elimination of STDs instead of solving them problem, then would go ahead and keep having sex the way that causes the problem.
      I could ask you a couple questions I already know the answers to and really don't care to hear again.
      The people who want to persist are those who are either extracting wealth or having the wealth extracted from them and aspiring to be the ones doing the extraction someday in return for their loyalty to inhumanity.
      For all the people with indoctrination into the culture of victimhood , there's always going to live in a cave so you don't have to watch your perceived entitlement vanish while the rest of the world actually learns things and puts that knowledge to use, regardless of your programmed sensibilities granted to you by oil and steel barons of a long gone time that needs to finish vanishing (we don't need oil or steel either, never did).
      You have been conditioned by the meat industry, another puppet of Keynesian Economics. You now have the burden of knowledge. What you do with it is how you will live your life thereafter.
      It shows the color of your character.

    • @GrandCorsair
      @GrandCorsair Před 2 lety +1

      @@russellzauner Jesus Christ man lighten up

  • @MaskOfMockery
    @MaskOfMockery Před 2 lety +1

    If this becomes fully viable on industrial scale, it will enable food supplies for space travels.

  • @aniksamiurrahman6365
    @aniksamiurrahman6365 Před 2 lety +1

    1:41 Isn't the CO2 and CH4 emitted by cattle comes directly from the plant matter they eat? Doesn't that mean, cows are just returning the atmospheric carbon that they ate as plant and not contributing any new carbon to the atmosphere?

  • @amphicyon4359
    @amphicyon4359 Před 2 lety +7

    I think that GMO cells will be the key to circumventing the condition requirements we're facing now. Turning off or removing all genes not devoted to growing meat cells should drastically scale up efficiency. Looking forward and hoping we will soon reach that point, because it makes logical sense that growing only the parts we need should be economically cheaper at every level. Small scale ranchers may soon be in trouble though..

    • @ConfusedRaccoon
      @ConfusedRaccoon Před 2 lety

      Small scale ranchers already are. You either go super ranch or get squeezed out.

    • @Croz89
      @Croz89 Před 2 lety

      @@ConfusedRaccoon Subsidies keep them alive in many countries, especially in the EU.

    • @amphicyon4359
      @amphicyon4359 Před 2 lety

      @@ConfusedRaccoon ​ Not to mention small and developing countries as well

  • @aliyahabrahams
    @aliyahabrahams Před 2 lety +13

    15:39 “I would rather die than do this.” I felt that.

  • @elephantmoney
    @elephantmoney Před 2 lety

    Wow. I didn't know about this FBS part and high expenses. That really sucks because I was so excited for this 😔

  • @jonathanodude6660
    @jonathanodude6660 Před 2 lety +1

    MILLILITRES??? man i feel so bad for the amount of FBS i used during my research. luckily I only needed a tiny amount since it was human cells, but jeez.

  • @jfrank1882
    @jfrank1882 Před 2 lety +5

    FBS production is definitely brute....a win win situation? I'm not too sure

    • @migueeeelet
      @migueeeelet Před 2 lety +1

      FBS is on the way to be phased out. Companies such as Upside Foods won't sell you lab-grown meat until it is 100% slaughter-free. They're testing alternative products right now.
      Really, it's the last step the industry has to beat.

  • @SuperGrinch123
    @SuperGrinch123 Před 2 lety +7

    Good video, covers all bases. I must admit, at the beginning, I began to roll my eyes at what was beginning to look like a very pro-meat video, but I'm glad I stuck with it. Lab-grown meat will become a thing one day. I think compassion for animals and a desire to reduce, if not end completely, their suffering is gradually growing in even the most staunch of meat defenders, that along with our collective desire to save the planet. Our moral standards are gradually but collectively rising due to the mountainous information on the horrific reality of the animal food industries that's now freely available. I am looking forward to one day having the option of one day eating guilt free meat, but until then, I guess I'm staying vegan. It's been 8 years now and healthwise I feel awesome, so I am happy to continue for as long as is necessary!! 🙏

  • @cleangreen2210
    @cleangreen2210 Před 11 měsíci

    Great presentation. Thank you!

  • @JeremieBPCreation
    @JeremieBPCreation Před 2 lety +1

    Would it be possible to add time tags to the references please? If not for this video, in the future.