Brose Drive S 1.3 belt Fix Specialized Kenevo 2018
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2020
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Here's how I replaced the broken Belt tensioner + Belt on my 2018 Kenevo.
I did the first part again just for the Video cause I didn't plan to film this shit at all. After some research I figured out that a ton of people having the same issue, so I decided to do the rest on camera.
So you will have to clean the inside of the motor housing because it will be full of ripped off belt parts, I did it off camera.
There's no reason at all why only authorised dealer with "special" training should perform this repair. It's just a big ripoff! New Twitch Channel / dietahvr - Věda a technologie
Belt Kit with sealings: www.pro-cycling-golla.de/36V_Alu-Geh%C3%A4use_Riementausch-Kit.html
Belt tensioner: www.pro-cycling-golla.de/Riemenspanner.html
0,2 Nm Torgue Wrench: www.pro-cycling-golla.de/Drehmoment-Schraubendreher_0,2_Nm.html
Tool for the Lockring: www.bike24.de/p17403.html
Tool to remove the chainring spider: www.contorion.de/handwerkzeug/gedore-polklemmenabzieher-2-armig-70x80-mm-210416281
If you are using other cranks a tool to remove the cranks: www.bike24.de/p1226053.html
Torgue wrench: www.rosebikes.de/rose-1-25nm-drehmomentschlussel-pro-2673996?product_shape=Standard&article_size=Standard
For People in the US: www.ebikemotorrepair.com there you can get the needed parts.
I will try to respond to any questions.
Hey. How can I order this for the USA
@@cmrock123 The shop I linked is also shipping to the Us. While making this video this was the only website I found where you could actually order that belt kit.
@@Dietahvr also you can check www.axevotech.eu/en/BROSE-MOTOR-SERVICE-KIT-T-and-S-ALU now
Dieter, can I ask why you brushed vasaline onto the belt? What is the benefit or reasoning. Mine just broke on a 2018 Brose S Drive with 7,400 miles on it. I just got it apart and noticed there was no vasaline, or the video from performancebearing.com the didnt do it either. Thanks so much! And thanks for posting the link for another belt. USA, there doesnt seem to be an option, but if anyone reading this knows, please respond!
@@jwagner217837 sorry for late reply, youtube is auto blocking comments with links included and I was busy the last twot weeks so didn't checked the blocked messages. The vaseline thing is from the official manual brose is sending to their authorised dealers.
I think it's to make the belt not stick into the "wheels" because that would cause wear of the belt I think.
The belt is sitting so tight arround the wheel that there is absolutely no reason for it to be sticky.
But these are just guesses. I don't know the real reaseon, I just know that this is what brose authorised dealers are instructed to do when changing the motors belt.
Well done, good job. My 2019 levo belt has just stripped, just bought it from a Specialized dealer so we have a fight on. I believe that T series motor is a problem with inadequate sealing. I want a seal and bearing upgrade, we will see what happens on Wednesday.
Toll, dass du dir die Zeit genommen hast, so ein Video zu erstellen!!!!!!!!!!!
Ich habe bei meinem 2015er Levo schon mehrfach den Motor zerlegt und auch komplett neue Lager und Freiläufe eingebaut.
Das Problem mit den Gates-Riemen kann ich bestätigen, der hat bei mir keine 50km gehalten.
Neben den Riemen und den Freiläufen ist das größte Problem Wasser, selbst mit dem normalen Gartenschlauch kommt das in den Motor und zerstört dann die Lager und Freiläufe durch Rost.
Wo kann ich neue Lager bestellen?
@@illest158 ebike-doktor.de/shop/index.php?route=product/category&path=42
Hi Dieter, cheers for the video. Same for me, already twice. The first one after 3500km, the second one after 7000km now. Got a new motor for the first one, but now I am out of warranty, so will do it by myself.
Since the new bosch motor got a lot more power through the latest firmware update I will go for a bosch bike when I get a new one.
I got contacted by so many people with the same problem so it's safe to say that specialized just sucks^^
Hope you get all the parts you need to fix your motor.
@@Dietahvr why does specialized suck? BROSE sucks
@@Sheisintomalakasdino Because they didn't test their freaking bikes. They should have just had one fat guy of their switzerland team riding the bike up the mountains in turbo mode all the time and the motor would've been dead within one week. They clearly didn't test the bikes in Turbo mode at all, as you can see by the amount of broken new levo motors.
@@Dietahvr exactly. What should be the problem testing it. U go to nearest 2k mountain, take 10 batteries in the car trunk and go up and down on turbo mode. If they would like to stress test it further they could hook up kids charriot with 50kg in it. I guess the 2.1 engine model is the same. Recently they have released software update which claims that the peak power was causing belt crashing much faster.
@@doitbeforeyoudieful I did monitor the motor power alot with the blevo app, there is no such thing as "peak power", at least on our motor not. It puts out constant high watts in turbo mode with no peaks. so they have to reduce the overall power if they wanna reduce the stress on the belt.
since the new bosch is already on the same power level then the brose it will be even harder to go for a brose when it has less power...
Thank you so much for this. I Pulled my motor out today Kenevo 2019, didn't need the Crank puller mine had self removing cranks. Off for a rebuild and upgraded bearing and seal kit. AUS.
TOP! Dein Video wird sicher sehr vielen geplagten Brose Besitzern Weltweit weiterhelfen! Sehr gut auch das du es auf Englisch eingestellt hast,..gibt bis jetzt kein vergleichbares Video zum Riementausch. Füge doch noch die links zum Riemenspanner und Riementausch Kit in die Beschreibung ein, damit jeder gleich weis wo man die herbekommt.
Jo Chef, wird erledigt 😀
Hast jetzt ne progressive Feder in dein Kenevo gemacht? Wenn nicht wirds Zeit!
@@Dietahvr Hätte ich gerne,...die MRP in 450-540 ist überall ausverkauft....und die Cane Creek VALT in 450-550 gibts nur in Weiß....das verkrafte ich psychisch nicht. XD
@@pedros.6809 Weist du den Innendurchmesser der cane creek Federn? würd mich interessieren ob die auf meinen Rock Shox Dämpfer passen.
Für die Farbe kann ich Plastidip Sprühfolie empfehlen, das Zeug is echt cool. www.amazon.de/Gummi-Beschichtung-multifunktionale-Fl%C3%BCssiggummi-Beschichtung-R%C3%BCckstandslos-wiederabl%C3%B6sbar/dp/B00G3FGMM6/ref=sr_1_5?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=2TQSUQM4L80EO&dchild=1&keywords=plastidip+schwarz+matt&qid=1589541083&sprefix=plastidip%2Caps%2C238&sr=8-5
@@Dietahvr Die Cane Creek haben 36,5 mm Innendurchmesser
Hallo Dieter. Vielen Dank für das Hochladen deines echt nützlichen DIY Videos. Eine Frage, wie hat sich bei dir der Wechsel angekündigt? Plötzlicher Riemenriss, oder andersweitig? Vielen Dank und mach weiter so.🙂👍
Es hat beim Bergauf fahren unter Last extrem Laut geknallt, das war dann der Riemenspanner der gebrochen ist, nach dem Knall hat man gehört das der Motor leer dreht, also er hat sich extrem schnell gedreht, ähnlich wie das Geräusch einer Bohrmaschine im Leerlauf.
Thanks Dieter for the video. Did you try to hand hand rotate the electric motor and the planetary gear from the sprocket while the belt was off?
I’m wondering this since my belt got broken. Rotating only electric motor without belt is really tight and I can feel big clicks while rotating it.
you can't turn the motor nicely when it's open because the sidepannel is basicly a guide for the bearings. electric motors are always hard to turn from hand.
the clicks you are hearing can be from the magnets inside that are pushing tthe motor to one side because it's not centered withoud tha guide from the chassis.
When u say really tight? I cant turn mine by hand but it will rotate with a pipe spanner lol. Is that normal?
Thanks for the video, the bolts holding motor on are they having specific torque please and what is it
I don't know, I just put them to the max torque of my wrench, 24nm.
18-20 Nm
Thank you very very much!!
I have a 2019 Turbo levo and the belt broke. Do you have a link to purchase the new belt ?
Thanks for the video, is there a cheaper and longer lasting compatible belt?
What people say is that the brose belt you can buy right now is a stronger one because they are aware of the problem, maybe that's complete bullshit, I don't know man.
There is a gates belt for 12bucks that fits exactly, but it's way softer compound so I decided against it and bought the expensive one also. Theres alot of power getting delivered through this belt.
Gates belts I have used for last 30 years in power transmission industry and they are the best. Only thing I would say is don't use Vaseline on the belt as its petroleum based and can degrade the rubber covering. Always fit dry or maybe a little ptfe spray.
I read experiences with cheaper gates belts without a strengthened fibre, they lastet a few minutes. Use carbon fibre strengthened belt, not even a glas fibre one. Use original belt, supplied from Brose. The trouble, which can cause a weak belt, is not worth to think about a cheaper belt.
I carry the upgraded carbon belts. Much better but not super cheap. I noticed several others talking about softer compounds. I’m concerned they won’t last. There’s a ton of energy transfer in that belt. We carry all the brose bearings and belts at ebike motor repair dot com
@@Dietahvr spot on. Those belts need to be tough! The carbon belts we’re seeing a lot more life out of them.
I did the same belt change, but now the motor won't work (it doesn't assist). Did you have the same problem?
The routing of the rear derailleur cable is so crappy!! I struggled like you to adjust mine!
glad to hear that I am not the only one that almost freaked out with that cable^^
Hey Dieter, top Video!
Danke
Finds geil das es soviele views bekommt, ich hatt den Motor schon wieder zusammengebaut gehabt als jemand ausm Pedelecforum gefragt hat ob ich da nicht nen Video von machen kann.
Der Aufwand alles nochmal zu machen hat sich scheinbar gelohnt, so wie die Motoren grad überal am sterben sind^^
Great video...do you know where to buy full repear kit with bearings?
I have no idea. I hope I never have to replace them😀
www.performancelinebearings.com/product-category/brose-bearings/
all that tech at your fingertips. and you chose to ask a question to a complete stranger on youtube. INSTEAD OF USING GOOGLE TO GET YOUR ANSWER . what decade are you living . I googled it. found it and ordered it. serious !? what decade are living.
@@timcampbell4528 that’s our mother ship. I’m the US distributor for them. EBikemotorrepair.com thanks for the plug!
@@timcampbell4528 I was thinking that Dieter should be doing the bearing upgrade whilst he the motor out, in the video.
Well done and thank you for the tutorial. I am offered the same used bike, but I'm not sure if it's a good deal, not on the 2018 Kenevo I'm looking for, it's very clean and it belongs to a very sweet woman , but about this model? May I ask you what you think, is it worth buying it? It is already over three years old? What do You think about yours? Thank you so much.
the geometry and the rear suspension kinematics of this bike just suck big time!
the front axle to center length is way to short and you will get over the bars if you are used to a bike with normal geo.
the rear suspension with the stock öhlins shock is just a bad joke. you have to get a bike yoke that you can fit default shocks in and add an air damper full with volume spacers, or a coil shock with one of the available progressive springs from mrp.
with the stock damper and a normal spring the rear suspension is either bottoming out all the time if you choose the right spring rate, or it is super hard to ride over roots and rocks if you choose a harder spring rate.
I have a rock shox vivid for 325bucks in the bike and sold the almost new öhlins shock for like 650bucks and the rock shox damper is performing way better.
I did just twoo weeks ago start to use this bike again, so the hate onto the geometry is real.
if you are used to a bike with a gravity oriented front to center length it's impossible to go fast on steeper terrain in the beginning.
I like the motor, I think if you just replace the belt every 2000km you have the nicest motor out there, still. super quiet and stronger than the new bosch motor.
@@Dietahvr Thank you very much for your feedback, I will test it before buying it, because the price is still 3500 €. I'm glad I found your channel, I'll be back.
@@mogeoofficiel that's what I paid for my Turbo levo fsr NB 29 2019 ..in the store 42000 nok (norske kroner) i actually ordered a kenevo but they ordered it wrong so they gave me six thousand of the price,,to not have to send it back..42000 Norwegian is like 3500 English pounds
@@HeathenRides Thanks for your post. Finally I gave up for the Specialized.
@@mogeoofficiel probably good because it would break anyways I broken my motor twice battery once and even broken the inner axle in the rear wheel.... but f... it's a fun bike when it works but those hour's of fun is a bit too expensive check out the brand called BESV it's a brand from the Netherlands with Taiwanese partnership for the batteries and electronics they are levo lookalikes but use Bosch motors and power tubes,, which makes it possible to put on range extender so you get 1000wh battery and The Price is exactly 3500 pounds for the cheapest full suspension 140 rear rockshox and 150 travel in the fork i dont remember the brand of fork and it's 27,5 wheel's with 2,6 maxxis Tyres and kind shock dropper post.. you can't get a better deal right now that I know about
Good video can you give me the reference of the strap is that I can not find it, I am in Colombia thanks
Top Video. Was für ein Werkzeug braucht man denn zum Lösen der Zentralmutter?
muss mal raussuchen wie das heist, ist von den alten integrierten sram lagerschalen der schlüssel, meld mich später nochmal^^
www.bike24.de/p17403.html?q=isis%20tool das müsste die nuss sein.
Can I ask where did You purchased that 0,2Nm torque srewdriver? Those things seem to be a rather expensive..
www.pro-cycling-golla.de/Drehmoment-Schraubendreher_0,2_Nm.html
Hi Dieter! You have been most helpfull in this motor case. I salute You🤴
Good job!
what is the tape around the motor for? as i have a kenevo 19 and it seems to be creaking like mad and i am convinced the motor is rubbing on the frame somehow
There's a blue thermal contact pad between motor and frame, I just wanted to hold it in place with the freakin tape, but didn't work^^
Maybe theres dirt between the plastic covers and the motor, or the bolts that hold the motor in place are lose.
@@Dietahvr just tightened bolts now and the creak has gone 😁
My 19 Levo started creaking after my motor was replaced, 2 of the 6 motor nuts were installed wrong by the dealer, could easily happen during initial build. I recently posted it on emtb.com Specialized forum. Long read but it covers everything I checked and found.
Hi Dieter,
kannst du vielleicht auch nochmal auflisten welches Spezialwerkzeug man benötigt, also Speziell für den Motor. meiner hat jetzt 3500km runter ich würde gerne sicherheitshalber den Riemen tauschen und mal rein schauen, da ich unter volllast ein knacken höre. Danke schon mal :-)
Hi my wrench minumum torque is 3, could I do it by sense the torque? what does affect if tightened more tha 0.2Nm?
alot of people did kill their belts by overtightening the spanner
so the 0,2 Nm is critical
Do you know if my 1.2e (2019 kenevo comp) belt is the same ?
I don't know man, sorry
The magnesium models and the aluminum models are the only different parts. All aluminum models use the same belt.
Can you share details on what belt to buy and from where?
I pinned the comment with the links.
How often should the belt be changed. and at what mileage did you replace on this motor
the belt did just break while riding. was at about 3000-3500km did not use the app to see the exact range i had on it
Are you a couple with a shared account? Some other VR videos on this channel, uh, piqued my curiosity, and this wasn't what I was expecting to be the channel's most popular video lol, cool stuff tho
yes, we are a couple with a shared account. was originally my husbands account where he did post some of his bike stuff, now it's mostly my vr stuff and every now and then some bike videos.
@@Dietahvr OK I figured, you both have cool hobbies :)
Brilliant.
I opened my electric unit side and now motor not start in all, any way to fix this mistake?
there 2 contacts and normally you should not open the electronic unit side. So the 2 long screws of the motor side is all you should remove to change a belt
please link , where do i buy bell for a specialized turbo levo 2020?
i did pin the comment with links to a german and a us shop
It's the second time this happened to me,,i got a 2019mod Turbo levo fsr 29 .. seems to me like a year of bicycling in Norway it's maximum of what a brose motor\belt can take.. I'm a bicycle delivery guy i Will lose a lot of money now,, I'm really pissed off
Do You need to re-programme software after this belt exchange?
no
@@Dietahvr ok, thanks!
Is this belt in this video suitable for fantic fat sport 2017 model with brose drive s motor?
@@JK-tv3oi I have no Idea, sorry man.
It looks like the same, though haven't opened shields yet. I have planned to buy new belt advance so that is why I have made these questions. Thanx anyway Dieter!
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the rubber coated metal washer goes inside the engine not resting outside
I don't think it's sealing properly when it sits under the case plate.
It was mounted the way I put it on when I first dissassambled it.
@@Dietahvr Very strange, I just made the replacement of the belt in my turbo levo 2018 and the rubber washer was inside the engine ..
@@andreabrunetti2725 After disassembly of housing shell it stays fixed on the crankshaft and seems to be „inside“.
but it has two sealing lips on the outer diameter. One should be flapped inside and one outside of the housing. Assembly is done best from outside because outside sealing lip has bigger diameter.
and inner lip is slipping easier to inside.
I would have thought vaseline applied to the inner teeth of the belt would have reduced the grip between the belt and the metal drive wheel. Good video though.
The belt is made of really strange stiff stuff, guess some kind of carbon fiber, maybe it's to reduce the wearing.
I followed the original "Brose authorised dealer" instruction manual at that point.
Dieter thanks for the reply. Maybe the vaseline stops the belt cracking or makes it a little supple. Enjoyed the video. Cheers
A high quality silicone grease would have been better
So the reason that it calls for petroleum jelly is pretty cool actually. The belts now on those drives are carbon fiber. There’s no rubber in them. That’s why there’s no risk of the petroleum jelly reacting with the rubber. There is none. Also, petroleum jelly has a low melting point. So if that belt does actually experience any friction and heat up it will kind of melt the petroleum jelly a little bit. Makes it a little more fluid and sort of re-lubricates the belt in any dry areas. It’s kind of an interesting little ecosystem.
How many teeth does the belt have? Is it a GT3?
I have no idea, sorry.
Und dann diese grottige Musik dabei.
kannst ja den ton ausmachen wenn du keinen musik geschmack hast^^
Die ist meilenweit von Geschmack entfernt
Ich fand die Musik z.B super passend und auch sonst gut und muss erstmal gucken was das ist
@@weehlexx855 die Musik passt doch sehr gut zur Operation
+ for the sound
Vaseline is definitely the wrong thing for this job and you should NEVER contaminate belts with anything, especially not oils
You might wanna tell that Brose, since they are the ones putting it into their instructions for authorized dealers.
the belts material is extreme far off from regular belts, so maybe that's why they instruct you to use that vaseline stuff. it's some sort of fibre stuff that is extremly stiff.
I had a gates belt here as well with the same dimensions, and that one felt way softer from the material.
Lo visto y nada es lo mismo
Wich fork
weird french fork, works well, but the company that made it does not exist anymore, at least they didn't respond to emails for a long time now^^
motion e18 is the name of the fork
czcams.com/video/5TNtJfjZaJU/video.html
you should never use petroleum based products on rubber, it will make it expand and it could make it fail prematurely. only use silicon based greases
if you use dot5 brake fluid on regular rubber it will kill it and still there are rubber seals in dot5 brakes that are not having any problems with it.
I think it's the same with vaseline. since the instruction comes directly from brose I highly doubt that it will damage the belt.
also the belt is far from being just regular rubber. its super stiff material, some kind of carbon fiber i think
@@Dietahvr hmm, wel fair enough. If brose advises it, it will probably not harm it enough in the long term. Odd that they wouldn't recommend silicone grease. And true about the dot5 brake fluid, i suspect they might use a special type of rubber for those seals altho I'm not sure about that.
Nice music ;)
🔥 Oh ja! 🔥
Vaseline on belt ...wtf
That's what Brose says^^ But there is absolutely no need for the belt to be gripy. It sits so tight there is no way the teeth gonna jump over.
@@Dietahvr vaseline is petroleum based and will fuck anything rubber over time
@@ericdereck2244 the belt didn't feel very rubber like
but don't know exactly anymore
@@Dietahvr i once used vaseline on some forks and it made the seals go like jelly hopefully it want do anything to the belt. toothed belts like that should be ran dry like cam belts on cars
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haha, i replaced that phone end of 2022 after a super long time of use^^
the touchscreen started failing at certain areas. a true robust piece of tech!
808 still better than new big androids.
I have n-gage classic, old Nokia forever.