D16Y8 cam install in a D17A2 to get Real 3 Lobe VTEC
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Red installs a D16 Cam and adapts the AEM cam gear to fit the D17 head.
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Would've love to see a comparison between the power that the OEM D17A2 cam produces compared to the swapped out D16Y8 cam. Can't wait to see what the horsepower ratings are with it on now.
This motor has alot of miles and burns oil I don't think it would be good for a comparison I'm building a foundation for the turbo and plan to put a built motor when this one goes. Plus dynoing the car all the time ads up
I was gonna juice up my em2 but for the money spent to get an extra 20-30 horse was just about the price of a k swap so thats the route i went with mine. This is interesting as all hell to see done tho. Very well spoken my friend
you should make a P&P AEM cam kit to be able to install the D16Y8 rocker assembly for the D17A2. you said u had to shave off some material on the AEM D16y8 cam and keyway in order to fit the D17A2 AEM cam.so would be nice to buy them already shaved and ready to install. great video like always.
3 mins in and i can see how experienced u are. Wow. Im impressed and inspired. Thank u for ur content. I subbed
Thank's mister Red!! now I will do the same to my d17a2 👌
Man your videos are great I watched so many of them and your an absolute genius!! It’s amazing how intelligent you are and amazing at explaining stuff!! So detailed in ur videos keep doing what u do! Only videos I enjoy on CZcams are ones like these
There was a batch of these D17's that had the camshaft wearing or "walking" away from the cam sensor...
I figured that same thing happend to my d17 because it started limping but it turns out after checking everything all I had to do was replace the cam/tdc sensor and its been running fine ever since.
Yep, i think i got one. Get a cam code if go over about 4k rpm sometimes, ive replaced the sensor twice.
Just picked up a clean EM2, been outta the scene for a long while now. Definitely gonna hit you up to build my civic bro, I stay in Chula Vista too. Good content man!
Literally what I needed for my build THANK YOU!!!!
Note use a rubber mallet not a metal hammer
Ive got a crower stage 2 turbo cam in mine and was able to find it in stock abt 3 yrs ago ...nice video
So your saying they went to this camshaft and put it in motors as a stock part?
@@matthewb7049 no I mean places still had it in stock for sale even though it was discontinued lol
@@beastlierect95 yeah I have been thinking about getting a stage 2 crower cam and i can still find them.
First of all that was bad ass
Are you doing D16y8 intake manifold swap too?
Well done!! I'm learning some info on the good old d series!
Your smooth with it great work!
Evey time you work on it and you move around the ac compressor lines(the thick black hose) make sure you tighten the hoses that go into the ac compressor because it will become loose and you'll loose freon
No shit
Bro this is seriously fucking awesome im doing this to my d17a2
esos motores son muy buenos d17A2 MUY BUEN VIDEO
Hey there! Very nice this little projetc, do you think abaout show us how does it runs? A street test...it should be very nice! See you!
I'm working on that this car is mostly for showing what you can do but I'm trying to make it a reliable car for driving around
@@PirateGarage Thank´s bro!!! Keep up on this videos!!! I love it...
Could you use a stock cam gear from the Y8 or is there a difference in the way the censor reads it or difference in diameter between the A2 and the Y8 ?
I think he said it’s because of the cam position sensor
*_Yo that's crazy_*
Hey red , so all I need for this conversion is y8 cam with y8 valvetrain and I order a adjustable aem cam gear , also do I got to shave off some like you talked about with yours , your a genius man goodstuff.
You need a Hondata aem d17 gear and an aem d16y8 gear
Could you use a new stage 1 d16y8 cam ? Im curuois because it wont be easy to find a low milage cam
Finally found a good video!
I boosted my JDM D15B VTEC in my EJ8 Civic coupe and it was so much fun. Then once I swapped to a B series it lived on boosted in my buddy's EJ2 for years until he sold it and the douchebag that bought it blew it up intentionally.
This is similar to vtec e but truly isn’t. Honda refined the vtec in these to turnover at 3k for a smoother transition and a smoother HP curve... These systems actually create more low end torque and high end power then the older 4500 BWUAAA vtec system. Yes it doesn’t make the cool turn over sound but all in all is actually more powerful just much less noticeable. It’s said that the d17a2 with the stock vtec system breathes better then a b16a2 and pulls smoother then the y8 and other vtec systems of that era. This also makes tuning easier because you work off a smoother hp and torque curve rather then tuning around the huge jolt of power at 4k-4500 on other models. This is what I’ve learned doing extensive research because I’ve been considering switching mine out too but now I’m indifferent.... What’s your experience with it over a period of time?
I mean even if most of that is true, doesn't seem to be much aftermarket support for the D17A2. I just bought on a couple days ago and there ain't shit the Crower cams are still gone and everyone says it doesn't take bolt ons particularly well. Would love to just have a few small things to do to keep this as a daily driver and still have a little fun and knowledge but doesn't seem like there's much.
@@presinald these can receive the k20 and k24's, alot of the rsx parts swap over as well. give it a look
@@vunree9744 yeah if I end up really liking the car I might do that down the road it'd be a fun learning experience, but really just wanna slap a header and get rid of that weird plastic intake but there's little support other than a few people who hacked up Y8 intake manifolds
So has anyone done this and there car is still running?? I just bought a y8 head for this
hello, answer me there with the swap of the intake manifold D16Y8 the Honda Civic D17z3 1.7 16v 130vc vtec will gain about 10% more hp ???
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Awesome stuff.
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Thanks for sharing!
The D17A1 have a modified stroker
Wish i knew what exact cam gear and if it has to use a k pro to run with that set up
Why did you have to Shave .001ths off the back of the D16 cam gear center? Was it to make sure that it would bring the cam gear it's self closer to the engine or ?
Nice install! Hell of a job!
Bro i made a custom adapter to install d17a2 pulley into d16Z6 cam
Good for you 👍
This is very impressive but how does this work out to be real 3-lobe VTEC? Wouldn't it just be stuck on either the low lobe or high lobe?
Great video 👍🏼
great video bud just a thought if the d16y8 stock cams fit this d17 would the d16 road cams fit
Не сильно понял, кулачки больше на d16, а можно на d15 примерить
Can I do anything like this with an R18? I'm guessing no because of the economy iVTEC .. great video smart budget minded build, showing some ingenuity which is cool to see in a build video. Thanks for taking the time to film this and upload it
Not really. The R20 cam might be an upgrade. But other than that, Skunk2 is the only option for R series cams
@@Casey_and_Cars @uh oh : pretty much what he said you can port and polish heads and get the r20 and you will not technically be a 2.0l displacement
I wish I could take out and swap the k20 for a d16y7
Really good video and idea mate! please tell me that now with this mod the poor d17a2 have a decent VTEC..? I'm planning to do it on a d16v1 its the same right?
Have you done it?
Hell yeah ive literally been waiting for this video lol
Part list?? Thanks
Hey, can you please send me a parts list and that special price you got for the timing belt that you shaved ? I really would like to do this in my car I just got 2 heads a d17a2 and the d16y8 both from a pull junkyard with 100k each and onlt paid 115 for ECU harness and 2 fully loaded heads
Nice
Please video for install d16y8 intake manifold for d17
That's next week
Nice
Yes second that
Looking forward to this mod
Hey bro and install mod in my car intake d17 stock is so bad the d16 intake manifold is good and change throttle body and more power
Can the head be switched to the d17 as well or a proformance cam for the d16. Also have you tried the stunk 2 on it as well
Nice work! I have one concern - the cam caps are specifically machined to the head, you should definitely measure the clearance otherwise in pretty sure that you will ruin the head and the cam.
the d17 cam caps work also with the d16 rockers so no issue. i didn't do it on the first video bit i swapped them later
@@PirateGarage Okay mate, everything clears up now. I just tested the swap on my spare head and everything looks good and the camshaft spins freely. I'll try to see if i can use the oem pulley with some kind of custom flangr cause d17 parts in Europe are non existing
Could you actually feel and hear the crossover after doing this?
Yes it is very very pronounced
Can I go stage 3 crower camshaft with stock valves? Love your videos man
Probably, valve springs no
How much exactly did you have to shave off from the y8 cam gear to get it to fit
Hello pirate. I want to ask you a question. I have a 7 with a d16v1 very similar to your d17. I have a camshaft and 8 to install. Do I have to install a vafc? Thank you
That was fast. How do you know if the timing belt didn't get off the bottom gears? What's holding it up from falling off?
The belt tends to hold it's shape and I can check the timing after I put the belt back
Cool ! what about the ecu ?
I'm test fitting this in a spare engine now. I have hondata on my car but with oem pullys sizing up im not seeing why shaving the inner y8 portion is nessisary. Perhaps the offset of the 2 aem parts push the t belt into the relucror ring?
I dont have a lathe. If the belt is pushing is The ring I could either shim the reluctor ring back some or shim where the outer and inner meet no?.
I'm also curious what d16 cams will fit before smacking the piston into the valves. The valve reliefs are very shallow on d17 as apost to d16 but perhaps that's because the ste stroke move the pistons further away from the same crank position? Thoughts?
Hi I like your video 👍🏼 question can I do that to my 2005 Honda Civic lx special edition 1.7L 5 speed
I feel like you're the Sloppy Mechanics of Honda. I like it! I'm VERY curious to see the dyno difference in power band
I did this mostly so i can run a turbo cam later Crower stopped making them for d17
@@PirateGarage still curious to see the range difference
For sure it will make much better midrange
@@PirateGarage a little after the fact but this shop still has them nemos-garage.com/products/crower-camshafts-d-series-vtec-applications
Hey red do you need the k pro ecu to do this swap? And do you need the kpro to install the y8 manifold? Im curious due to im looking to do this all but the k pro is expensive... Any place i could get it cheap? And also lmk about needing it to do these swaps thank you
I would say yes- cos the factory ECU is going to switch the cam profiles at totally the wrong RPM and the fuelling / timing will be way less than ideal with an ecu that is programmed to run a Economy / Normal cam profile as opposed to a Normal / Power profile.
do like this the standart vtec can work ?
I can use d16y8 stage 3 cam for d17a2
Yes, that's why I did this so i can use a turbo cam when I put a turbo on this car
Thanks bro
Will you have a check engine light after doing this only asking because I got the same engine and Id like doing this but i gotta do e check
Hi.luke ur channel..i have a d17,wondering how to get a little more power..not sure if im good enough to put a cam an all that other stuff..in a get it right..lol..can u change the air in take to ? To something else..?
If u want a bit of power either hot or cold intake,new manifold (don’t cheap out), and a new Exhaust Yokohama or Magnaflow, then maybe new fuel injectors I heard you can get some prelude injectors to fit in don’t remember which tho
Big duh on my part thanks I got it. Just panicked checking out eBay cams
If your still answering questions, does the timing portion of the cam gear sit flush with the part that the cam slides into?
Where did you order the camshaft I'm having a hard time even finding a stock one
did you shave off 100,000th of a inch or 10,000th? sounded like u said 100,000 but that's insanely small.
I hope you see this man. I need help, I have the JDM D17A (practically the same just makes more power than my old A2) and was wondering what exactly you needed to do to make sure the cam gear fit, where to bought that centerpiece along with the cam gear (unless that's factory) wanting to do this since I HEARD that the Y8 cam is in close relation to the stage 2 cam for the A2 which they obviously don't make anymore. Either way please if you could send the all the information on where to get these parts or even just the names of them all it would be greatly appreciated!!!!
You need 2 AEM cam gears. 1 for a Z6 or Y8 depending on what cam you use, and 1 for the D17. Swap the center sections and put it on
Will it be possible to change a rocker arm from a d17 to a d16y8?
How baddass you are bro,! You are great!
Can I do this to a AD17A1 or only the V Tech model or can I just put a v tec head on and what does that take to happen do i have to change the ecu as well 🤔
Good stuff
Are u able to fit a stock cam gear on there? And if so, wht needs to be done to get it on? Or will i need the cam gear and kpro? Cuz i was planning on doing the doctronic ecu
How can I use a y8 when the cam on the d17 has cam censor plates
Are you still doing the d17.....?
Where did you get the timing belt clear cover?????
Didn't the head gasket blow after this
The cat was bad and because it's a d17 had nothing to do with the cam swap it ran great after I fixed it
Thinking about doing this for my d17 only question I have is about when you cut the cam, how much cause I don’t want to by a new cam and mess it up
I took material off the gear that made by putting 2 gears together
@@PirateGarage Please explain this in a little more detail. Did you buy another gear or what exactly?
So you had to get two different cam gears an make one out of the two?
I have the D16W7 engine with VTEC E , same as in the video. Will this cam from the Y8 fit the W7?
Could you put a d16z6 stage 1 cam into the d17a2??? Wondering cause I have one and if I swapped it out I was wondering what all you would need or if it would all be the same just a different cam. Thanks
I'm wondering this too since crower stopped production of d17 cams
@@Sweetheartxx195 There's still a decent amount floating around
Do you use y8 valve gap or d17 valve gap
How much would it cost for the parts and labor? An estimate ofc, great video
Hard to say all depends on what you get the parts for, and I could only do the labor if your local
Cam noise solution please
Hey when you switch from the a2s cam to the y8 what cam gear did you use the one for a y8 or an a2 and why thanks any info be welcomed
Great mod. Did you use Y8 Valve rocker or the same A2 valve rocker?
Y8 rocker assembly with the lost motion assembly
@@PirateGarage fine tune bro¡
im gonna do the same swap to mine, what cam gear should i buy?
I think d17a2 pop at 3500. And also under certain loads. Uncertain
Its more throttle pos then anything i can feel mine kick in if I'm hard on the throttle at lower rpm
If you can feel the vtec it's set to high
Where do you buy the manifold?I’ve been looking for it for 8 months and I can’t find it! Maybe you can help me??
Were you still able to get vtec to engage??
I have the same car, and working on some of these upgrades. I have had a serious power loss in 3rd-5th gear, any ideas?
i did this exact swap and now my low oil light wont go off but its full it has good pressure i replaced the vtec switch and the oil sensor
You switch the vtec and oil from the d16 or what did you do? I didnt understend
Hey red, what cam gear housing is that you’re using? Did you get an aem for the d17 then just swap out the center to match the d16 cam? If that’s the case then that’s a $200 investment. Just picked up a y8 manifold and d16y8 cam with the rocker assembly but I’m stumped on what to do about the cam gear. Kpro with the cam gear is $875 from Hondata, then I’ll just have to pick up a separate aem d16 cam gear I suppose?
Are you high? For that price just buy a K series
Did you use the rocker arm assembly and cam from a y8? You say d16 in the video, and you use the y8 in another video so I am just assuming the rocker assembly and cam are also from the y8. Hope I am correct.
Yes from a D16Y8
u rock bro
Would this work on a D16v1?
U know how much u shaved off that keyway? Thx
Does this work with a stock ecm?