Top 4 Reasons Employers Give for Not Hiring Older Workers
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- The top four reasons employers give for not hiring older workers was revealed in a MaxSolutions study of 500 Australian business managers and HR professionals. The reasons are certainly applicable in the U.S. and understanding these stereotypes may help an older job seeker nullify them in a job interview.
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Breaking the Age Barrier/Unlocking the experience of older Australians in the workplace
Those who want us to work until age 70 and those who won't hire us after 50 are the same exact people.
Yes, it is true, isn't it. As they say, "what comes around, goes around."
Yup because both of those things make those companies look good.
Sad, but oh too true.
Exactly. Greedy, Ignorant, Evil POS's.
Exactly. Well....the US Congress are the ones wanting us to work until 70, but they don't live in the real world with the rest of us where they're enforceable age discrimination laws don't matter with private industry in the private non government sector. Older age in the private work sector is a negative. Too expensive salary wise, too expensive to carry on health insurance mainly, and too expensive to carry on workmen's comp too as being more accidental prone. Our Congress works for us, the taxpayers. We provide them with excellent salaries, retirement benefits, health insurance, near full salary pensions, all the best perks mostly free probably. They vote all that in for themselves. They tell us that Social Security is going broke they take out of our lifetime earnings. Favor business in legislation laws that we work for.
The survey left out the biggest reason #5: Older employees have a finely developed BS detector and often know more than management. Managers don't want someone around who knows too much.
Good point! I don't know how I forgot that one!
Yep. They just want to be the boss. The best interest of the company is not considered.
Exactly - they want young people they can work to death while dangling the carrot of a "promotion" etc. Older workers know most who work for free will never get the reward.
True. An experienced employee is a threat for nowadays managers hired on thier capzcity to cheat their résumé and being nice with their superiors, and just able to attend countless meetings.
! Love this comment!😅😅😅😅
I like hiring older people cause they have better work ethic!
Many of us had parents who instilled in us the value of a good worth ethic. A few of us also learned the hard way that if you want to keep a job you have to put in the work. Thank you for the comment.
My employer prefers hiring older employees. Tired of dealing with the revolving door of entitled young people.
A revolving door is a good way to describe it.
@@Over50tv What is amazing is that most employers seem to enjoy that short term employee revolving door and all of the expenses related to it.
We have an issue with some young workers since most seem to have poor work ethics and some don’t resign or even notify their supervisor, they just don’t show up! This is in SE Florida
Great reasons to hire older people. They show up on time. They actually work. They don`t need safe spaces, therapy dogs and beanbag time. They also don`t need pronouns.
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😂 Classic!
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Best comment on this video yet! Thanks for putting a smile on my face!!! And, thanks for watching.
This was a GREAT response to my video!
A good 40 year old is always better than two 20 year olds. Every time.
Sad, but true in many instances. It will take a 20-year-old to get the valuable skills and experience that an older worker has.
I got a job at a local Dillards after a long career at Nordstrom SF. They don't update their ringing system and still had the little attached finger mouse pad to guide the screen but I kept touching the screen. Just too different from the Nordstrom Flagship store of ten year back. Lol I had to quit.
A retired 50yrs old army veteran is better than 10 Millennials and 50 Generations Zers.
40 is middle-aged, though. Not old. But I agree with your point.
40 isn't old for the work force what about 60.
I realised a long time ago that nobody would ever give me a job, so I started my own small business and have never looked back.
I love your business model, Dave. You are helping older folks who need your computer teaching skills and you are able to earn a good living doing it. Congrats!
What business did you start?
I am on that path as well
Same for me. I ended up leaving a job that was quite specific after many years due to the management becoming quite toxic. I have always been extremely handy and made money as a side gig with those skills for years. Ended up being an electrician and made enough money to just work part time now in my older years before retirement.
Same here. Unemployed and broke at age 60. Started small business and retired at 69 with some real wealth.
I am 62. I found a job I love working in a warehouse. I run circles around the younger workers. I dress "current". Put some spring in your step, and work on your posture! Most think I'm in my 40s. My advice...get active, dress current, wear tasteful makeup and hair, and outwork the younger folks. Sleep hard on the weekends! You CAN do it!
I do, am PSW and no one believes me when I tell them I am 66!!! They think I am in my 40's!
100% 👏👏👏👏👏👏
@@laurag7295❤👏👏👏👏👏
Yup. Dyed my hair, put on makeup, and dressed smartly.
I am 63 and had a warehouse job until 2022 when I lost it because they had high expectations to make rate and everyone else cheated to make rate so I couldn't keep up. I was able to collect unemployment then I took retirement but it's not enough to live on so I am doing deliveries for ubereats but still not enough so I am currently looking for part time work to not mess with my retirement. It's tough and I am considering going back to warehouse but the pay will be over what's allowed so my retirement will be deducted and I don't know if I could get it back if I lost the job again.
Most of these younger workers only stay 2 or 3 years, so why is someone worried about an older worker only being around for just a few years?
The focus should be on keeping the experienced, skilled, workers with a good work ethic happy. These are the folks who were integral in building the business. Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching.
Most of these young workers only stay for 6 months not even a year
Because it’s just an excuse and a lie; they just don’t want us to
That’s true for any worker. In this day in time it’s not common that people stay 20-30 years at a job. They will leave in 2-3 years especially if they see it is no growth
Even worse...most companies do not even want people to stay longer than 5 years. so the age es even less of an argument in regard to near retirement.
I prefer to hire older workers. Younger workers are full of drama, they're always in a crisis!! They call in all the time they have children issues! Older workers show up they do their job no drama, no excuses. They do their job.
ABSOLUTELY...
I like no drama. Running a business is challenging enough without the excuses and constant drama.
Younger workers call in sick when something hard to do is coming up and they play on their phones watching tiktok all day.
And we show up early or on time! Attitude is better as well like we want to be there..
True. All of it. I’m 59 and stuck. Surrounded in corporate America by inept 24-34 year olds. It’s terrifying.
You are absolutely right!
yea
I'm there too and I have no idea what to do unless I parlay my profession into consulting and self contracting.
Lead by example then.
Yep, and my younger students can barely write a paper!!!😊
Health concerns? I’ve seen these kids leave work early because they said they had a tummy ache!
or they had a bad break up with their significant other.🤣🤣
The current work ethic isn't what it was and won't improve.
I've heard the break up excuse for leaving early or not showing up too many times.
😂
Or stay home the next day because of stress or need another “mental health day.” Or show up late because of rain…not a tornado or snow storm… just light rain….this happened to a lady that ai was talking to who flew in town for a team meeting with 9 people and they all came in late because of a little rain…amazing.
I was let go from a senior management position at 55. Spent 8 months searching for work. Was told a couple of timrs I was overqualified. Switched to plan B and went to truck driving school. Got my commercial license and drove semis for several years. Retired at 62.
Exactly, many jobs don't have an age bias.
In 2005 I had a co-teacher said he couldn’t wait for the older teachers to retire so they would hire younger and presumably female teachers…, well they did and his generation of teachers explains the current success rate of students
I was laid off in my early 40’s, and was told I was overqualified for months as well. I ended up dumbing down my resume, same jobs, same descriptions, just really simplified, so I could get hired at Marshall’s until I found a better job. Finally found a better job, not what I was doing before, but it’s mostly paying the bills.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you, Michael for sharing this. I preach learning a new skill or starting a side hustle all the time. It works, and you proved it. Contratulations.
@luannkelly5071 Yeah, Michael beat age bias but taking charge of his life and learning a new skill.
I got hired at age 62 and started working with 20 to 30 yr olds, I lasted 3 months and quit, I could not work around these sponge bob kids.
I know it can sometimes be challenging working with younger folks--especially if they don't do their fair share of work--but that is the employee makeup of a lot of organizations.
They do nothing but look at their cellphone and gripe about being at work.
@@Over50tv
Or what older gens think is their fair share of their work including 100 % of yours
so the problem is you
@@thodan467uh oh, someone was triggered. 😂
Let’s be honest here, shall we? The number one reason why they won’t hire anyone over the age of 50 is because we don’t take any crap from anyone! We have been at the game long enough the smell the bs from a long distance and aren’t afraid to slap the snot out of an overbearing tyrant that has no respect for us. Time and experience has taught us well.
Yes, time and experience has taught us well.
I agree 1000000 percent! Also, as you are aware, men do not like women who are smarter than them or, in “some” instances, have more education and diverse experiences than them and more awards and success stories than them.
The young'uns like marketing BS talk so much to cover up incompetence or company problems, so yes, older people have been through all that and don't take that as a solution for the problems. Guess being gullible is a requirement too nowadays
@@Albacore877 the masculine male inferiority complex!
exactly
It's a psychological thing. Managers just don't feel comfortable having someone older than them on their team. They like the feeling of younger people reporting to them.
Yes and they know they can't bullshit older people but push the kids around. Makes them feel important.
They are threatened by competent workers. I have been fired for being good at my job. It scares lazy management.
@@janetmalcolm6191 don't wanna be "mom'd, "dad'd" or reminded of their grand/parents. Maybe?
I loved having people older than me on my team. But, I loved them because of their actions and choices. Age was irrelevant.
Well mix older with younger can bring stability. Older have experience usually in many areas of work. Both ages can help each other. I have seen this myself.
Everyone wants that 25 year old kid who is naive and will work for cheap. Once you hit 40, youll start to notice places are skipping over you, and once you ht 50, you really notice it. YET they - always want to seem to raise the retirement age to 70--
Politicians want to raise the retirement age because they are not affected by ageism. In fact, they wouldn't know ageism if it hit them on the head. Thanks for the comment!
@@Over50tv Politicians want to raise the retirement age because they have been raiding the so called social security trust fund since its inception in 1935. SS money collected goes directly into the national treasury like other taxes, and is then dispensed accordingly.
Politicians want to raise the retirement age because they have been raiding the so called social security trust fund since its inception in 1935. SS money collected goes directly into the national treasury like other taxes, and is then dispensed accordingly.
Reagan initiated an additional SS tax but instead of having that money go directly into the program he set up a separate account, and every president since has used these funds for everything except SS.
Raising the retirement age to 70 is make what's left of Social Security last a little longer before the dickheads in DC have to answer for how they blew it all. I'm about to turn 61 and assuming I live till 2040, there won't be any money left in Social Security.
The word isn't reluctant it is REFUSE to hire us.
I know the world we live in doesn't fully appreciate the wisdom and value of experience. I accept that, but at the same time I won't let anyone--especially and employer--put limits on what I can or cannot do.
Nope they'll hire you then run you off. With passive aggressive 💩 so you can't sue or cry discrimination
It's about fake belief that the kids are born with a phone in their hands and they "know" computers ... hah ... never laugh so hard as when I have to tell them the basics of Excel and Word (not even mentioning their language skills that are non-existent ... they can't even create emails to properly express their reasoning). They're born with social media usage not with computer and communication skills
At 64, I was furloughed in 2020. I thought they’d let me go eventually. Nope, they called after 6 months and said ‘we’re ready for you to come back, but you’ll be working 60-70 hrs per week on salary’. I retired. Not worth the agony.
God that's crappy.
That is shocking! My guess is that had to know you wouldn't return. You are right, "Not worth the agony."
Definitely crappy!
They wanted you to quit.
@@andraconstantin9459 you’re right about that!
Employers better be careful. A retirement home fired a 78 year old receptionist after she came back from a brief surgery and asked her all kinds of discriminatory questions. The EEOC got involved and had to pay a big setttlement. One of the reasons I am not retiring is I have a high paying union job. Not letting go of that.
same
I don't blame you for staying put. I'd do the same. My grandson and son-in-law are in unions and I'm hoping they stay. As for what happened to that poor lady, I'm glad she's not poor any more. No doubt she deserved the settlement. Thanks for sharing.
Stay put as long as you can!
Retired at 53 now 62 never looked back
I am sorry, but 78? Please retire before you get that age and enjoy what time you have left. There are some people at my job that can barely get through the day, and I feel like they really shouldn't be there. Know when to quit.
We "oldsters" have learned new techno constantly since the 1980s! It's an agist excuse. Just discrimination!
I just retired in August 2023 and had a younger co-worker in his 20’s tell me “my generation will never have your work ethic.”
yeah the work ethic in the current world is pathetic, more money less hours is all we hear. I was recently laid off after sticking around for 13 years so Loyalty doesn't pay.
The lack of loyalty from companies is precisely why the younger generations won't give as much. We all saw what happened in 2008.... and during COVID. So we jump from job to job (the lucky ones) for a raise that keeps up with inflation seeing as our employers are always a day late and a dollar short.
Forget loyalty, the employer and employee relationship has become more contentious than I ever remember. Also, I recently heard a report on NPR's Marketplace program that said many employees who left their former job for a better paying gig had regrets. They found the grass wasn't always greener, despite earning more.
Loyalty doesn't pay for many workers. It's best to be loyal to your self and your family.
He's right, they won't.
I don’t get the interviews no matter how qualified. They prescreen by asking the year of college graduation. I’m 62. I have had one interview (below my qualifications) in 3 years. I got the job and now I work for less pay than my same job peers for $10K less than them. I am at the same salary (NOT adjusted for inflation) that I was making 25 years ago. Now I’m quiet quitting.
Sounds like quitting is the only option. Please, just make sure you have something else before you make the leap. I know that goes without saying but many folks leave a job out of frustration and don't have something else lined up. Not saying that's your situation, just mentioning it.
@@Over50tv It is good advice and I have been sticking it out while applying for jobs. I am treated poorly but I’m not getting interviews elsewhere. If I quit I won’t get unemployment. I am stuck.
Yeah, that makes sense. You’re an old dinosaur who’s going to slow down even more you’ll be fired.😂😂😂😂😂
Yes, I notice that employers are now obsessed to find your year of graduation, because they can't ask your age. Lovely.
Yes, I don’t answer that question. In fact, I ended the interview.
The hiring manager is 28. Has no idea.
I hope that 28-year-old hiring manager has an older, wiser, experienced mentor to guide them otherwise they're about to learn that job the hard way. In my experience, the vast majority of twenty-somethings are just beginning the long road to learning what life and work is really about. You and I traveled that path and learned lots of valuable lessons. Thanks for the comment. Also, please check out Over50tv, my new website. I just launched the site, but it'll grow and eventually, have lots of interesting articles, webinars, live content, and new videos that will we're creating to empower our viewers.
The hiring manager is going to have to learn the hard way.
Mentorship is dead - remote work made sure of that :)
Only fun part will be that they will be obsolete even faster than we are, as they get older AND will have even less skills than the older generation tended to have. But that is not helping us out, pity
Unfortunately, some hiring managers are threatened by your knowledge. They fear that you'll take their job. Paying me a higher salary has always been a challenge for employers. I'm writing books and trying other options now. Wishing everyone success on their journey 😇💯💛📚
I'm glad you are trying other options. We are the only ones who should control our future, not some hiring manager who doesn't appreciate skills, talent, experience and work ethic.
A well known international recruitment company told me ´´Most employers would rather leave a job unfilled than give it to someone over 50.´´
This makes no sense but it doesn't surprise me.
@@Over50tv They also said said most employees should be looking for their last job around 47-48, and that they couldn´t place me, suggesting people over 50 could find contract work through networking. It made me very angry.
@@chriswills9437 I know a 78 year old man who drives Lyft. He has 15,000 rides and a 5 star review!
wow! would not work for a company that has that mindset.
@@kleelee2670 It's very common in tech.
After 29 years at a tech company, my employer laid me off 3 months before the year I turned 55. I could've just retired with my 401k if they waited those 3 months to let me go. Now I'm still struggling to find equivalent employment and it's been 6 months. I keep getting the same response: "impressive resume, but we moved forward with other candidates".
I'm sorry to hear this. Your story brings back unpleasant memories because almost the same thing happened to my best friend's dad, except he was in his early 60's when he was let go. My buddies dad was a great guy who deserved better. However you are still young enough to recover and succeed, if you are determined to overcome. My advice, if you don't mind me giving it, is to explore your options. Sometimes options are not obvious, you have to look hard for them. Don't jump into anything because you are in a hurry. Consider subscribing to my Side Hustle Rules CZcams channel, maybe you'll learn about options there. Good luck!
@@Over50tv I was hoping to do some fun side hustles when I actually retire knowing I can live comfortably off of my 401k. I may try some side hustles this year if I can’t find a job since I need a little income to be able to contribute to a Roth IRA.
I'm right there with you with the response "Impressive resume, but we are moving forward with other candidates at this time" I've actually had one phone interview with a girl that asked; , "is this something that you see yourself doing long term"... it was for a Technical Project Manager position...
Same
Employers want to feel like they have leverage on those they employ to motivate as needed. As an older worker. I have $$$ saved. Employers cannot harm me only inconvenience me. My jumping through firey hoops on demand days are over. They know that.
Sounds like you are in a great position. I wished more folks planned their career as wisely as apparently you have. Thanks for the comment. Also, please check out Over50tv, my new website. I just launched the site, but it'll grow and eventually, have lots of interesting articles, webinars, live content, and new videos that will we're creating to empower our viewers.
And that's how you want to keep it. 👍
I remember mentioning ageism as a reason for not finding work to friends and they lambasted me for using age as an excuse. Well when you applied to 230 places in 9 months with only 4 callbacks and two interviews, you start thinking its your age. Im 55 but physically active and look 45.
Ageism is very real. If your friends haven't yet experienced it, they will. If you haven't found a good job, I hope you get one soon. Thanks for the comment.
Same
can relate
ageism is real, but if a job is posted online they can have hundreds or thousands of applications, then they screen for key words. When I went through my last job search, the job hunting group lead said only around 1% (or maybe 5%? it was years ago) are filled by people from the online application; most are through networking (and my initial thought was "I'm screwed if networking is the way to find a job today).
I honestly don't feel in most cases that they even have that many jobs available. The US economy really isn't doing that well and hasn't been for years.
I won’t say how old I am but I’ve been out of work for almost 6 months now. I can start collecting SS in 2 month - I feel like a lot of us are being forced to retire.
It seems like more and more viewers are telling me they feel like they are being forced to retire. I don't know how that will work out for companies in the long run. It's not smart to push out the skilled and experienced. But, that seems to be the way business is done.
Your comment is weirdly similar to my situation! I'm debating whether I can hold of collecting SS till next year, but don't think I can.
I got laid off during Covid when I was 65. I collected unemployment as long as I could and then retired. Don't miss work for a second.
I'm 61 &: will be 62 in June. Got laid off my IT job last July & have YEARS of IT exp, Call Center exp, Collection exp. These last 10 months of living off savings is not fun. Always getting ghosted by these young recruiters & IF you land an interview, then, we are too old. I'm done & have applied for SS retirement. Been working since the age of 16 & this U.S. along with the Corporations have sh*t all over us.
Early retired here. Yep. I took "voluntary early retirement". I'd seen it happen many times over my years with that company. If you don't take the package offered then your job got eliminated.
He ist talking about people over 50 who are not getting joabs because employees do not want to invest in people who will leave in a year or two. I do not know about Australia....but in Germany the age of retirement is 67! So at 50, we have still a whooping 17 years left to work! Show me one young employee who stays that long?
Employers are ignoring the data concerning younger workers to their detriment. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics says this: "the median tenure of workers ages 55 to 64 (9.8 years) was more than three times that of workers ages 25 to 34 years (2.8 years)."
Goodness, I was turned away from dishwasher position, because it's embarrassing to see an older adults walk out to collect dishes. I've been told repeatedly it's quite annoying 😞
That's sad that they are so ignorant. It's called, judging a book by its cover. There are lots of good reasons good people take a job, any job.
Geez, does any customer in the restaurant really care about the age of the person cleaning the table?
when your economy is based on disposable merchandise, eventually we all become the latest thing to discard. how unfortunate that modern society has chosen to disregard all of the knowledge of the past in favor of the living embodiment of the movie "idiocracy"......
You just described the economy, and the workplace, better than I ever could. Thank you for the wise words. Also, please check out Over50tv, my new website. I just launched the site, but it'll grow and eventually, have lots of interesting articles, webinars, live content, and new videos that will we're creating to empower our viewers.
@@Over50tv sir, your content should be MUST watchn for everyone in our position in this country. you continue to be a beacon of intellectual information in this new digi-small age..... keep up the amazing work!
The crazy thing about proximity to retirement age is that the bias applies to people in mid-fifties or older but we can’t usually retire until 67. Meanwhile, (US) stats show our average time with a company (US) about triple that of 20-30 year olds.
Too bad more employers don't know the stats you are sharing. Or, maybe they know the numbers and choose to ignore them. Either way, the numbers show a couple more reasons why it makes sense to hire older workers. Thanks for the comment. Also, please check out Over50tv, my new website. I just launched the site, but it'll grow and eventually, have lots of interesting articles, webinars, live content, and new videos that will we're creating to empower our viewers.
Same in Europe, rest assured. It's all about the young and hip imagine being more important than skills and experience. Who cares if you know about security in the workplace, or have office skills, if you can integrate and communicate ... you look old, and that's all they see. Also the reason why product quality and office ambiance is going down the toilet, it's about looks, not skills
Stupidity should be painfull. I was terminated in favor of a young recent grad. The company closed within 2 years. A young woman was given a job instead of overqualified me. She screwed up the bridge job real bad and was fired. I retied in 2011 and am so glad that I did. Good Luck, Rick
Stupidity is painful, but sometimes you have people that after burning their hand on a hot stove, will put their full face on it. You have just witnessed this first hand.
Sounds like the short sighted company was asking for what they got.
@robertsteinbach7325, Nicely said!
Most companies have some type of HR hiring OS that has algorithm that filters out the older applicants and /or looks for buzz words that are more commonly used by the younger applicants. Biggest reason older applicants don't even score an interview.....
Yep, this has been happening for a long time now. Many companies use automatic tracking system software designed to scan resumes for certain keywords and weed out the ones that don't match the job description.
I'm still not putting in YOLO, Weeb, and using Comic Sans on my Resume.
Their loss
As a just retired TV Broadcast Engineer, I couldn't find a job in the past 6 yrs. We're just throw aways.
I'm sorry to hear this. It's impossible to understand why someone with the 'skills' you have can't find a job.
They can't imagine you have been keeping up with your skills and knowledge throughout your career and must assume you're still stuck on betamax ... because it takes a skilled person to evaluate your skills, so with young HRs we're scr*wed before starting the interviews. Considering how little young people are invested in their jobs other than for the bling bling aspect and the money, you can't convince them with anything else
Once i added key experience words to resume, i got interviews and a job. Have someone update your resumes.
Yes! Get an unbiased, qualified person to help you update your resume. This is an extremely important first step in the job hunt. Thank you for the suggestion.
It’s age discrimination! People can’t retire until 65, but can’t find a decent job at 45!!!
You should watch my latest video on raising the Social Security age limit. I basically say the same thing.
Job offer I can't even get the interview!! 59, with 25y in healthcare. Unemployed until I finally accepted a position at a crappy place that doesn't even do references... Just to get a job.
I'm a Certified Medical Administrative Assistant and I can't even get a job interview because I don't have any experience in healthcare I would also like to add that I have transferable skills and those don't matter
I'm sorry to hear this. Many Over50tv viewers have been in the same situation. It's a shame!
The media says there is a huge demand for workers in healthcare so this makes no sense to me if you have transferrable skills. Please try to find an organization that values your work ethic and is willing to train.
@@joanndombrow4245 I found the ONLY way you can get anywhere is spell out EXACTLY how your job experience is transferrable. Make those skills imitate what they are seeking. Cuz recruiters & HR folks have extreme tunnel vision, lack any out of the box ability. YOU MUST GIVE THEM a+b=c....they can't envision squat. I literally had a recruiter ask me if I could make outbound calls. WHAT?
And these will be the same companies who will say they can't find qualified workers.
Sometimes I wonder if they don't want someone who knows his field because he'll make other people look bad.
If it is a business owner hiring you they want people with knowledge who will make them money. If it's a manager different story
@TheGreatestHandle. That is a accurate distinction.
That could be, but I think that situation is a bit rare. Generally a business wants to make money at the lowest cost possible. So they jettison older workers as soon as a younger, cheaper one comes along.
That "training" issue is false because most companies now don't train. Plus many younger workers understand that loyalty doesn't exist so its no big thing to job hop.
If a company trains at all, more often it's done online with no accountability.
“Training” budgets are just slush funds that departments use for any purpose other than training. If training is offered, it is often for one day courses on non-technical subjects, and is essentially worthless.
First: The main reason they don't want older, more experienced workers is they know these people want more money. Why pay a competent older worker when you can hire 4-5 Mexican or Indian workers for the same price, or just move the whole operation to China? Second reason: There are no jobs. Everybody is laying off. Most job ads are "Ghost jobs" where the company doesn't have a position. they place ads to look like they are growing to attract investors.
Anyone who says there is no age discrimination when someone over 50 goes looking for a job is either a liar or ignorant. It is very difficult to prove age discrimination. I find it absolutely ridiculous if some say who has worked all their lives day in a retail job as a cashier for instance to have to jump through hoops, three interviews, a background and drug test and a professional resume just to get hired for a pastime job with no benefits for minimum wage with all nights and weekend and your boss is 20 years old. Really this is the new reality.
The survey results show a lot of presumption, stereotypes, prejudice and bias towards older workers.
Yep! That is pretty sad. It won't change any time soon.
I realized at 26 years, nobody was going to pay me what i was worth.
So i started my own pet care service. My hobby was breading ,training, and showing my Norwegian Elkhounds. 34 years latter i sold the biz for 1.37 million. It was an incredible amount of work but it was worth it.😂
Glad to hear it. Congratulations!
Proximity to retirement is irrelevant. The workers will be laid off in a couple of years anyway.😂
If you are suggesting they'll be "laid off in a couple of years anyway", because they are at, or near retirement age, you could have a point.
@Over50tv I mean layoffs after a couple of years at many companies have become the norm, regardless of age. Workers are all disposable.
I am on my way to work till 100 years old. So any knowledge about senior employment is appreciated.
Working later in life has become the norm. We have to do our best to keep our bodies and minds as healthy and sharp as possible. But, I also think creating a side hustle that allows us to use our brain is the ideal way to work.
@@Over50tv yes, a side hustle is a great idea. And my regular job is a hustle to me.
I’m 61 and got laid off in January. I look young, have many skills and lots of energy, and am confident yet understated in interviews. Even when I am applying for my exact same type of position of 25 years I can’t get a call back, even. It’s disgusting how older Americans are treated.
Not being offered a position when there is an opening and you are more than qualified for the position makes no sense to me.
My brother just took a new job and he is 61. During the interview process, they asked him how long he planned on working before he retired. He told them, "His wife is 40 years old, and he has a nine-year-old son, so they will have him by the balls for at least 10 years."
Well he was honest and blunt. Hopefully he got the job.
@@Over50tv Yes, he did.
Lol
My Aunt worked as a 1st grade teacher until she was 75 year's old and a substitute teacher until 80 year's old. She is turned 100 in January and is still physically and mentally fit. I believe if you are healthy keep doing what you love and don't retire until you have to due to health issues.
Loving what you do for a living + Good Health + Family = Good Life
Substitute teacher is one of my back up desperation jobs if o ever need it . Most school districts needs warm bodies so bad they’ll hire you as long as you don’t have an active child abuse. Open . I have a relative who is 72 who just got hired as a teachers assistant.
You ought to do a video about what they do with women of child bearing age or pregnancy
I know this is a very big issue but I don't think this is necessarily applicable to my audience of people who are primarily people 45+. I'm sorry.
You asked the employers? They were lying.
The actual reasons are ....
1) People feel uncomfortable telling someone older than themselves what to do.
2) They don't want to employ someone that knows more than they do, because they know they don't know how to do the job.
2) They wont be able to lie to you and bully you so much.
You almost certainly do not want to work for the people who won't employ you.
Look for companies who need older people to train their younger workers, or specific skills, and avoid companies who have an image for being "fast movers" - they are probably focussed on having a fast staff turnover.
Interesting that employers worry their older workers will retire when younger workers are constantly job hopping. My office is filled with young people and the turnover is insane. I am in my fifties and have been there over 12 years, being paid an abysmal salary because they know nobody else will hire me. I can’t break free from the golden handcuffs and I am a good 20 years away from retirement in this crazy world.
In my industry the knowledge gap between young & old is like the Grand Canyon. Yes the health insurance penalty can contribute to older workers not getting a job or leaving early.
Somehow convincing a hiring manager you are a healthy worker is important in a job search when you are older. I never, ever thought about this until I started this channel and read the comments from viewers.
i went to an interview for a delivery driver of which i have 9 years exp, and i swear the interview brought my age (52) and retirement AT-LEAST 3 times! needless to say i never heard back. its amazing how these companies want you SLAVED to them till death, but have NO qualms about lay-offs or letting people go?
Yep, the employer/worker relationship is definitely one sided. I'm surprised this person mentioned your age. They are not usually that blatant.
@@Over50tv not legal either
Employer misconception of age is so true. Ironically, the younger gen in my office has taken more sick leave and holidays and is late to work every day. Hiring based on lower salary offers is false economy.
Yes, I agree and I like the way you put that. It is a 'false economy'.
Employers won't keep employees very long to avoid paying more $ w/yearly raises. Companies shuffle employees constantly.
I was able to get 2 different jobs after age 60. Both contract positions. One ;lasted 3 months the next lasted 3.5 years. I worked in IT(Information Technology) for 37 years.
37 Years of experience!! Every time I hear something like this I just shake my head because it makes no sense. I'm sorry.
My employer fired every Director level over 60 within three weeks from a new COO being appointed division President. He is in his 40s and only seemed to want young people working with him. Paid handsomely for us to sign a no suit document and go away. Their loss.
Not a smart manager. Probably thought he was the smartest guy in the room, and "full of himself", as my grandmother use to say. Hopefully the compensation you received took a little of the sting out of the situation.
If they don't give you the stability of a 30 year job like in the past why should they be concerned if you are 10 years from retirement?
They wouldn't care if you were 10 years or a year away from retirement.
It is absolutely ridiculous when you have an older worker who has worked in a retail job for example for many many years and they lose their job and have to jump through hoops to to get another retail job. One you have to have a profession resume,then if you’re lucky enough to be called in for an interview with a 20 year old manager and then you have two more interviews with two more 20 year old managers.Then you have to have a background check, a drug test, a math test, and then show up with all your credentials. Then you are told you will be paid minimum wage, you will only be given 18 hours a week until they see if you are good enough. Of course this means you will have no benefits, you will have that wonderful flexible schedule ( Code for all nights weekends and holidays) all at minimum wage…. and of course it is only after you pass 90 days of approval. Them maybe if you get through all this then you just might get a 10 cent raise next year. In the meantime you are constantly being called in on your day off because the 20 year old baby mamas can’t make it into work because there is always some reason they can’t make it into work.
No companies train anyone, there is no investment.
Many companies don't train and if they don't it's often not adequate training. I see this scenario all the time in low to medium pay jobs.
Should run for congress. Those guys are mostly in their 80’s
Yeah, 80+ with a great income, benefits, retirement, etc. Nice job if you can get one.
Four years back when I was 54 years, I was told by a 64 year old employee that now I am too old for a job. I was an ex employee in this company
You were only 54! That 64-year-old co-worker is now 68. I wonder what that person is doing. As a guy who has owned multiple businesses I know a 54-year-old employee is not old. They are just hitting their prime. There is an inexplicable lack of appreciation for older workers.
When Bush Sr. took the cap off of what insurance companies can charge for benefits it began. When I turned 50 my employer had to pay double for my healthcare benefit, from $1200 every month to $2400. Of course I was eventually laid off.
How companies respond to increased expenses is predictable. But the lobbyists don't care and neither do the people who employ them.
There's no way to overcome age discrimination. W/@ will employment law, we employees have no rights!
Worker turnover among young workers is very high.
Older workers don’t end up using their sick days because they’re taking care of their sick children.
I’ve been using computers since 1976. I’ve been asked to learn new programs for years and years….I also teach beginning computer classes…it is ALWAYS presumed that I know nothing…
The real problem? The manager feels uncomfortable giving instructions to someone as old as their parents.
Bottom line is they are insecure and immature..
They can't imagine you knowing something about current technology because they can't imagine you having grown and learned through your career. They were born with phones, have no clue how they work or what the history of it is, yet they have to judge someone who has and does ... lost cause. Also the reason so many computer programs are cr*p these days, if it looks pretty that's good enough for them
They’re comparing you to their parents !
One of the best supervisors I ever had was 20 years old . He was the youngest one in our department. He was smart , hardworking , and would never ask you to do something that he wouldn’t do himself . We all loved him and had no issues taking direction .
It’s really not that difficult
@@catherinesanchez1185 I agree, but I’ve also had and seen younger supervisors not send work to older workers, not include them in meetings, etc.
One thing I recommend is to withhold some of your education and experience. Only give what is relevant to the job so you don’t get the “overqualified” deal. If the job requires only a high school diploma? Don’t put your engineering degree on the table
If anyone is looking for teaching as a second career, they’ll hire you at any age especially special ed or other high needs areas. I have lots of videos on my channel about alternative teaching licenses.
I checked out your channel. You've got some great content. Contact me and I'll interview you on my channel. Hopefully it will get you some views and subs. Thanks for commenting! My email address is: lou@over50tv.com
@@Over50tv I would love that! PMing you now.
Can confirm , have a relative who is 72 years old and recently hired as a teachers assistant. Works with special ed kids .
I currently work at a company where there are younger ppl they call out alot don't want to work holidays or weekends never on time and do bare minimum work so I'm not understanding why they choose younger ppl to work for the company here I am in my 50's work hard on time everyday and go beyond my duties on the job plus I love what I do helping ppl especially the elderly
I’m 65. I’ve been working at my job for 6 years. I know better than to change jobs - I don’t want to relearn a whole new job & getting hired would be a miracle. My job is perfect for me & I like it, so that’s a plus. I make sure my higher-ups know my value at our annual salary review & self-evaluation. That being said, I have been passed-over for upper management opportunities that I’m well qualified for - for ppl with lesser qualifications. I suspect this is due to my age. I do keep up with technology and it changes quickly. I have no health issues. & excellent work ethic.
It's a shame they haven't promoted you. My guess is they know that don't think you'll go any where.
@@Over50tv Probably not, because my job is so specialized that others like it don’t exist anywhere else close to where I live.
No employer should even expect that they are hiring anyone regardless of age for the long term. Everyone is changing jobs frequently these days largely because that is the only way to move up in career opportunities and salary. The days of the 30 year career and gold watch are very long gone. Corporations created that circumstance and have no loyalty to their employees so shouldn't expect it in return. Older workers are the answer to many employers problems as they bring much career and life experience and are past the problems raising young children brings. The problem in hiring is that it is young employment HR managers who are still in those years that they cannot see or relate to the advantages older employees can bring.
If employers hired older HR managers it's a good bet their businesses would run better because they'd hire experience, work ethic and skills over youth. Thanks for the comment.
Many employers prefer being around younger and better looking employees.
Workers and managers I know prefer to be around competent co-workers.
It’s so sad that, corporate fails to honor, experience, education, and loyalty, and doesn’t plan to offer to fair compensation.
I hire for my company. I’ve seen thousands of resumes and interviewed hundreds of candidates and went on to train them. General advantage with older employees. Far better work ethic, less entitled and will generally commit long term. However the learning curve can be so painful. Older employees struggle tremendously with technology. Younger employees get through training far more smoothly, but they have such bad work ethic, are so entitled and a lot don’t commit long term. Again, these are generalizations and you’ll get exceptions on both ends. But like I always say, you can train for aptitude, not attitude.
What if an older worker already had the certifications on the newer technology?
I've also hired hundreds for my companies and I agree with you, "You can train for aptitude, not attitude". Thank you for sharing. Your comment was very interesting!
If an older worker has earned certifications and they have the skills they should be hired.
Thanks for walking through the survey results. Knowing the bias' recruiters or hiring managers have at least gives you the ability to bring them up during the interview process to try and address them (proactively) in the same way you did in the video - Nice work!
Yes, understanding the potential obstacles and figuring out how to overcome them beforehand is important. Thanks for watching and thanks for commenting. By the way, Over50t.com is up and running. I still have work to do on it, including adding content and backend stuff.
I ALWAYS hire older men for tiling, plumbing and concrete work.
You are hiring three of the most important qualities, skills, experience and work ethic.
Why - because the young guys don’t want dirt under their nails? They feel that work is beneath them? The arrogance is palpable
I’m 75 and don’t feel old yet. I’m in good health. I’m a caregiver and work part time to supplement my income. Worse comes to worse I’ll get a roommate.
I hope you never feel old. Sounds like you are living the right life and have a back up plan. Good for you.
As someone over 60, I have been asked to work for several places part time, which is perfect for me.
Sometimes part-time work is the best work.
Local state funded agencies will not assist a'one 40+ years old. "Transferrable skills" is crap!
I’m 73. Now and only stopped working last November 2023. I never took one sick day in 3 years straight, limit my annual leave to a week and a half, and worked out at Gold’s Gym 3 days per week. I was more disciplined and dependable than the majority of the young 30 something coworkers, and worked late just o be sure the job was done. I found it prudent not to regale the young workers with my active past and accomplishments, especially service in Vietnam as only young veterans appreciated the stories. However, it served to call attention to just how wide the age gap was. I’d periodically get snide remarks after talking until Ilearned to just keep to myself. The isolation was too much and I decided for the good of everyone to ride into the sunset without fanfare. Good move. I’m comfortable and still active. Bought a new motorcycle for final retirement.👍
I'm glad you are enjoying your retirement. I know you are loving the motorcycle. In my field I work with much younger people. I enjoy working with them, but if I didn't I would do exactly what you did, and get away. Thanks for sharing. P.s. Thank you for your service in Viet Nam.
Do not tell them how old you are. Pretty much every place I've worked at people don't know my age. I'm 55 but look much younger. Plus I started a new career in a different field, so I only list my past experience in this new field, so it can look like I'm a newbie 😂😂😂
Good for you! You have some advantages lots of older folks don't.
Not possible anymore bc most companies do background checks.
If they have an age related bias, it is VERY difficult to overcome that. You might have ALL of the qualifications, but if they have the issues that you mentioned PLUS they are thinking about relating on a daily basis, then they are going to with the person that is younger /closer to their age.
Yes, if they have an ingrained age bias nothing you can do will persuade them to hire someone older. That is until they find they can't find a good candidate for a position, then maybe, hopefully, a light bulb will go off in their head and they'll hire the best candidate regardless of age. Thanks for the comment. Also, please check out Over50tv, my new website. I just launched the site, but it'll grow and eventually, have lots of interesting articles, webinars, live content, and new videos that will we're creating to empower our viewers.
And don't they realize they will get older as well
I am 71. Did an interview with manager age 50. She was really pumped to see someone who could crosstrain because of my different skills, in fact she said i have 3 job areas i can plug you into, i am excited to get you onboard! How refreshing!
I was in my prime earning years at age 38. After that I was haunted by frequent layoffs by private equity owned companies. By the time I reached 48, it became increasingly difficult to get hired or earn a higher salary. Best advice is to get a certification in a marketable program and self employ or consult before you're 40.
I couldn't get hired so I built my own shop. It's next to my house so the commute is reasonable. 😁
I saw this beautiful little auto shop last week in South Pasadena that fits your description. Looked like something out of the 50s.
Excellent! I'm glad, very glad to hear this. Congratulations!
Maybe its the same one!
@@Over50tv It is an auto shop but not the same one 😊.
I was smarter then my manager and she disliked me for it. She would lie to me barefaced and then I would find out the truth and let her know. I caught my bosses don g this twice!
There can be no trust when you know your boss lies to you. It's very demotivating.
I'm in a high cost area. I have Medicare and handle all my own medical expenses. The resistance to hiring older workers is forcing me to sell my house at a loss and leave. I want to work. My idea of when to stop working is when I fall forward unconscious face first on the keyboard. I still have a lot to give my profession. Its ridiculous. I'll wind up driving for Uber just to stay afloat. My last job was a contract, and all contracts end. During the job I was going to my car in their dark garage and tripped and fell and cracked a rib. I could have sued them. I kept working and didn't complain.
I'm sorry you are going through this. What I know is too many smart, skilled, and able bodied older workers are pushed aside and find themselves in limbo. I have a new video coming out Tuesday called: '5 Side Hustles Retirees Can Do in Their Sleep'. Please check it out. Maybe it'll give you an idea or two. If you have any questions about any of these side hustles you are welcome to email me at: lou@over50tv.com
Consider being an Appointment Setter working from home.
Poor Americans are ignoring 90% of the fake jobs, overly stressful jobs, drudgery jobs, low paying jobs, jobs where you cannot improve your financial well being! Let the businesses of greed and exploitation rot everyday 😤
Taking charge of your life through self-employment is an option I recommend every single day.
@@Over50tv self employment only works when every human has access to enough free land and free raw resources in it to create self sustainability.
You just described 95+% of the jobs out there...
I had two recruiters contact me the past month....messaging is "you're background is impressive, we'd love to talk to you about the role." Then it turns into...oh, you're missing one of the bullet points listed on the job description...nice talking with you. Not sure if they figured out my age during the conversation...but it makes me wonder.
It's certainly possible, but recruiters are hungry predators with an appetite to earn commission so next time this happens ask them if they have other positions available that better match your skill set and experience. But a word of caution, don't go out on just any interview they give you because sometimes they will send you on a 'no-possibility-you'll-get-hired' interview just so they can show their client they are working.
I thought you were going to say "the recruiter ghosted me"...
I just lost out on a job because they said the other guy had 10 years of experience with a particular proprietary application and I didn't have quite that much. Actually I did, and I can tell you that any experience in this particular app over 5 years is fairly useless because the company makes such big changes in it frequently. It quickly stops being the same application after just a few years.
What it always boils down to is they want experience at a low ball salary. They other reasons are excuses.
When a company pays a low salary/wage workers don't stay so the company is always in hiring mode. This is more expensive than paying someone a fair wage so they stay. It keeps HR busy, and their job is secure.
@@Over50tv most companies are very short sighted.
Thanks for sharing. I am not even sure how this popped up on my feed, but I just shared it with a friend over 50 who is looking for a new job.
Thank you for sharing my video. These are important issues we should all be aware of. Also, thanks for commenting.
I’m retired now, but spent my entire career in management and HR … I remember talking to a manager who was so frustrated with his employees … I.e. calling in sick (went drinking the night before), having to leave early because they didn’t feel well (only to be seen at a music concert later the same day), employees always bringing personal issues into work (telling everyone about their a$$hole partner and/or all about the fight they had that morning before work), and high turnover with employees because of wanting to try a different career. ALL of these employees were in their 20s to early 30s … I asked him why he hired younger workers … he said most were fresh out of college and had latest technical skills. I suggested he look at hiring older employees like starting around 40s and on up into their 60s. I ran into the same guy about a year later … he told me as he hired new employees (replacing younger employees that left) that were in their late 40s thru 60s. All the “sick” time went way down, the “drama” disappeared, coming in later was very rare, turnover was dropping to a minimum. He was amazed at the great work ethic of older folks.
Nice work, leave them punk asses flipping burgers!
Thank you, thank you for sharing this experience. I wish more HR/hiring managers would follow your advice. I'd like to use your comment in one of my upcoming livestreams. Also, please email me and tell me about your experience in HR. It might make a good video that viewers can learn from. My email address is: lou@over50tv.com
I’m 56 and have experienced the same thing. When I retired from the police department I thought my experience would be wanted. Not true at all.
Unfortunately when we are older, and looking for a job, it takes longer to find a company that values the experience and skills we've accumulated. One great option for folks with skills is to sell those skills by offering classes on sites like Udemy or Teachable, or even building a community on Patreon (I have a Side Hustle Rules page on Patreon). Check out my CZcams videos here on Over50tv, or on my Side Hustle Rules YT channel for ideas.
Older workers have financial responsibility and take their jobs more seriously.
This was a great breakdown! I really like this episode and it really sets the show up for anything to be possible. Keep up the good work! 😊
I can give a few that I feel are more significant. #1, they think your mental & physical capabilities are in decline. #2, they think there will be a cultural conflict with younger workers. #3, they want to develop their workforce for the future. #4, they want to present a youthful image. #5, they think older workers cannot coexist with their diversity hiring goals.
All true! Thank you for adding those five reasons to the list. I hadn't thought about your #4, but I agree.
The younger workers can't put down their phones, they always need a break, many are lazy and "dissappear" from their work area. I'm 20-30 years older, have outlasted many of those inadequate people and still complete about triple the volume. I work in an administrative local government job where I'm working on retirement #3. I have a little over 4 years to serve. 😊
Aptitude tests, Assessments and Quesionaires is profiling. Profiling is against the law. Employers should be looking at your skills and work experience for a job and not waste time asking you questions what tv show you like to watch on Saturday night or if you like to smoke pot or what kind of underpants you like to wear.
In many states it's illegal to ask an applicant questions not related to their ability to do the job. IMO, they get away with it because what job hunter has the time to follow up on that?
@@ak5659 Yeah, everyone marches to the cliff and one person yells; there's a cliff ahead you're going to die and they all respond well everyone is going the same way, what's the problem?
Many times these questions are a way for employers to filter out folks they already know they don't want to hire.
It's also to expensive to pursue a legal remedy.
I like how you put that.
Excellent insights and advice. Thank you!
I definitely appreciate the kind words. Thank you for watching.
Thank you for the thoughtful ideas! I’ll apply my versions of them at my next interview.