What is the Ideal Team Composition in Vermintide?
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Nice video, but I meant to say that IB can play both frontier, elite and Boss killer when you use two-handed hammer plus trollhammer torpedo. I must admit that IB doesn't have high dps like shade, but you can play very flexible and switch your duty in the team at any time.
You can stop the horde and stagger the elites with two-handed hammer, make space for your teammates to kill, and use your trollhammer torpedo when the elites are close together. You can make great damage and stagger the boss at the same time with trollhammer torpedo, which stagger the boss can also create time for your teammates to deliver damage, and many times you can push the boss down the cliff by using trollhammer torpedo plus F. When your teammates are in danger, you can use F to attract enemies' attention.
The most important thing is that...it is easier to win by using IB when you play with strangers, you have no idea whether your teammates are well skilled or not, it is best to take control of all of the dangers by yourself.
p.s: I'm a 16xx + hours player, and this is my own opinion. I am not a native speaker, so my English may be a bit hard to read, sor.
IB main here and I can confirm that. .-)
IB is the most self sufficient class in the game. He doesn't need a team. Bring the masterwork pistol, a war- or cog hammer, gromril curse, rolling mountain and drengbarazi oath. The pistol melts monsters, , the hammer chews through hordes an elites alike and specials are not a danger either. Gromril curse takes care of disablers.
Both “tanks”(Ironbreaker/foot knight) have a lot of utility in them that is not always displayed on the scoreboard but is always felt.
Foot knight gives some team buffs for survivability, has the best stagger and is an absolute beast at keeping monsters or huge chunks of enemies at bay whilst others do damage. He is also on par with the handmaiden in helping downed players up and into the fray again, and he makes life for the player easier as the enemies surrounding him are already flat on their asses. He can also do a lot of special sniping if the situation forces him to do so. And he is the best at giving beastmen banners a middle finger)
Ironbreaker with the trollhammer torpedo is extremely versatile and survivable in any situation. He may not be the best at killing monsters, but he can do so fairly safely for himself, delete patrols whole and should the situation call just flat out abuse monks.
Yes, damage dealers are of course “best” as it is necessary to kill rats rather then outlive them, however on cata it only takes a few hits to go down, and a team with less than 4 players will struggle heavily to complete a map. Tanks give a lot of breathing room and may cause situations like these to not happen in the first place. Also, it is not like they cant do a lot of damage should the situation call for it, they still have a pointy stick and a gun)
A perfect comp also differs heavily, whether it is regular play, Fortunes of War or Chaos Wastes map. On FoW you are almost forced to take a ranger veteran to have a more or less comfortable playthrough, as a steady supply of potions, bombs and temp hp makes it soooooo much easier to live through the absurd amount of rats and cultists the game throws at you.
i love playing FK. and aura with bcr and dmg res is really strong, i think its unfairly put in >B tier class usually by youtubers, its A tier imho. And it can shoot specials unlike GK
Bro when playing the wastes on legendary with a new player I almost always switch to Foot Knight. He literally lowers the difficult for the team while they get used to higher difficulties
Obviously a team of dwarfs.
Yeah! It's a shame you can't have a team (non-modded realm) of 4 dwarves. Ranger, IB, Slayer and OI. Just ideal team for everything.
@@zinstonehead Just play DRG
@@benmoore3816 Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to play all the games I want. And I prefer fantasy to science fiction.
Rock an stone brother
@@TV--- for Carl!
I adore videos such as these. It's true, by definition even the Witch Hunter Captain is a support class:
Buff your teammates by tagging specials so that they deal 20% more damage thanks to Witch Hunt as well as the class skill Animosity giving 25% more crit chance for 6 seconds depending on the talent taken.
Yet the WHC is also a massive damage dealer because of his passive ability to "Slay man-sized enemies with critical headshots. Even in cataclysm it's an awe inspiring sight to see bestigors, stormvermin and such instantly drop with a well placed headshot.
i kinda have to disagree on tanks being non beneficial or even harmful for experienced players. i like to see them as an resource preserver. them being able to take more hits, absorb more dmg leads to them downing less often (on average ofc) and therefore saving healing items and leaving some more room for mistake for your teammates. in a perfect world your mates wont take dmg but this isnt realistic as we know, especially in a game like vermintide which can be quite unpredictable at times. lets take an patrol for example (stormvermin). if u need to take them out because dodging is not an option u need 2-3 bombs, maybe even a potion, depending on the sceneario. having a footknight or ironbreaker can save you bombs or potions. 1 firebomb, footknight stun or ironbraker taunt to keep them in the fire and they will die quite easily, saving your team precious resources. i have to agree on too many tanks being harmful. the lack of monster dps and horde clear will most likely result in death. also the traditional role of a tank cant be applied to vermintide as you mentionend.
good video tho, really like watching your content
Monster damage is not a problem if your IB brings the masterwork pistol and drengbarazi oath. The foot knight can run a two handed weapon and deal damage not that bad as well. I can think of 2 bosses that a team of tanks will have problems with. Halescourge and Nurgloth. Because the time window to deal damage in is rather short.
@@JPG.01 The Trollhammer is pretty good too. Run shrapnel and drengbarazi oath, and you can get 2 shots off that deal +20% and then +40% damage. Agree on Halescourge and Nurgloth though. It's not just that they have huge health pools, but they're also incredibly resistant to stagger (immune in Nurgloth's case) so you can't even benefit from your level 15 talents unless you're running Smiter (IB only).
A tank could help in that situation, but with all of the crazy stuff in the game already (Strength bombs, Famished flame battle wiz, Invis backstab shade, RV with pistol, huntsman to name a few) patrols are super easy to quickly DPS down before they become an issue. I would agree that tanks are more useful against chaos patrols since they have more armor and more health and can't be killed as quickly as the other patrol types, but resources are so plentiful even in cata that saving resources isn't really necessary (not to mention bomb and potion dupe exists, plus RV potion and bomb drop too). Plus you want to kill patrols as quickly as possible to prevent spawns from stacking on top of each other which is best done with bombs and potions.
nice to see this video as a bardin one trick :/
There are no pure tanks in Vermintide 2. Both FK and IB have access to handgun with achievable breakpoints to one bodyshot instakill every special except the Wargor, even on vanilla cata. This makes them both an excellent special killer assuming they can aim. And the melee options available to FK and IB, while not DPS level, are more than adequate. FK with sword and mace has proper damage even for DWONS while IB can pick dual hammers or cog hammer for fast ult recharge. Your statement that they do not have enough damage or utility is therefore false and is sending the wrong message to new players.
I love playing shade just for how much raw damage I can provide to high value targets. Any specials or elites? Sniped before they even get close with a repeater crossbow volley. Chaos warriors and Stormvermin never stand a chance when they get one shot. Bosses and monsters usually die within seconds after using infiltration (especially with a purple potion or gk on the team).
Shade is still adept at horde clearing, however should let another class do more horde clearing as soon as her niche becomes needed.
People sleep on shade crossbow
Funny, I like to think team comp in V2 might be the least important factor to succeed. Though I assume having this or that career might help a bit more sometimes, but it depends on situation or talent's placement in the scale of "From zero to OP".
Nice vid though, as usual!
Honestly it can matter a lot
For example consider a team that has no one who can really deal with specials. It makes a run SO much harder.
Or no one to deal with bosses. It drags out boss fights so much that hordes and specials can be tricky to deal with when they normally wouldnt be.
Though of course it depends on difficulty and player skill.
Good enough players can make nearly everything work.
Team comp is for sure a huge factor in winning your games, especially for lesser experienced players. More experienced players can basically run whatever they want and be fine for the most part, but for other people you def. wanna think about the careers you're running and how the career your playing fits into the overall group.
Probably mostly important at higher difficulties or low level players. If everyone is single target damage then hordes can ruin a party
you clearly never played with nooblings on all ranged careers and no frontliner
most of the time it really doesn't matter much but if you're in a game with a grail knight, slayer and warrior priest then dealing with specials becomes a MASSIVE problem.
Iron breaker with shield weapon and drake gun, sister of thorn with staff and spear or glaive, battle wizard with flail or fire sword and any flame staff, and either grail knight or warrior priest as the last in my opinion would be the best squad(any elf career is good honestly). Double flame throwers is broken on literally any difficulty. You could even go engineer with drake gun or torpedo instead of iron breaker if you want more damage. Iron breaker on a good player is unkillable and controls any fight.
I mean bounty hunter can be a boss killer and special killer.
As a GK main i can safely say the combo of GK and BH deletes bosses. We dont even let them breath. Add an engineer or shade and its over.
Best comp imo is
GK
IB trollhammer
BH
Battle wizard or shade
“There is no damage dealer class in vermintide” does the footknight deal as much damage as bountyhunter? Does bountyhunter support the team in any other way other than killing? No? Then he’s a damage dealer.
While above comment said it rudely I do have to agree
@@benjaminwatson7868 didn’t mean to be rude, it’s just how it came to me at the moment.
@@BiggDickman ya I’m sure but I do agree I think they’re approaching the roles wrong, from a moba point of view, when rather it should be from a mmorpg point of view and then on top of that the roles are blended a lot
in my opinion battle wizard and handmaiden are a given if we were to look for THE optimal team.
after that id probably add a grail knight due to the value they bring to the whole team and freeing up the other two to focus on their respective strengths. Given a high player skill id fill the last spot with a bounty hunter to trivialize boss and monster battles.
tbh the kerillian pick basically decides the rest of the team setup for me. all 4 of her careers are excellent. but handmaiden fills such a unique spot and has the potential to singlehandedly decide games even when things go way south.
I wish the freakin Kerillian dlc was out on Xbox already! I keep seeing videos about her new Sister of the Thorn character variation, but I wanna try it out for myself before I spoil it by watching videos...
Well. I do respect your opinion, but I do disagree. I just have 800 hours in the game but I rarely ever see Sienna in cata. While I don't want to say that she's weak, other classes can do what she does better. RV for example with the cog hammer and masterwork pistol can do it all. Pick off specials, shred hordes and delete armored units as well as completely delete bosses, on top of that he gets a panic button that allows him to get out of sticky situations not many other classes could as easily. I think a RV is one of the best classes in the game. As for utility classes I think that Warrior Priest has the best ult in the game. Healing the damage of the past 3 seconds and granting invincibility for 5 seconds can save the game. His weapons are quite great as well, he is pretty damn tanky with his health and his perks for the whole team. I think the video came out before him, right? He might lack damage, but with the holy great hammer he can deal with hordes and armored units alike with relative ease - in clutch moments the flail and shield saves his life and hp too. Tanks are in Vermintide to sustain the team and save up on resources. Do you need them? No. Of course not, if you play with pre mates. If not? Tanks are great to keep the team sturdy when there's a lack of communication. The extra health allows the team to take an extra hit too.
My opinion is, any team works as long as the experience and communication is well enough. I don't think Sienna is anywhere near game changing enough to be the deciding factor of the entire team comp. I think the team might be better off with something else that grants the team some passive ability - like sott with extra temp health generation, GK with his quests, FK with either damage reduction or WHC with the extra damage against tagged enemies. What does Sienna bring to the table for the team? Pretty much just being specialized on one or two things, while not affecting the team. Except maybe for UC whose ult gives a little bit of thp to the team. I don't want to hate on Sienna, I just don't see her as important or useful as the others, which is a big shame because she has such an unique way to play.
When I start a mission with just AI, waiting for people to join up. I like to run unchained or zealot. Mainly speccing the AI talents to give as many team perks as possible.
For Unchained, I like RV, WP, and Merc Kruber
For Zealot I like RV, Waystalker, and Grail Knight.
miss the RV who can fullfill flex/boss/elite kill with just the MWP and horde clear with coghammer.
Mines GK, IB, SotT and then WHC
I feel like they check the boxes of Boss Killing, Horde Control, Patrol Breaker and Support
To be fair SOTT is an entire two characters by herself right now lol
So basically just don't play Bardin is what I got from this.
You must be this tall to Vermintide
Bardin is a shame really. Outcast engineer is the worst career in the game. On official, as stated in this video, there's no need for an ironbreaker, and ranger vet kind of overperforms. On modded, slayer is overshadowed by grail knight.
That being said, on modded IB and RV are both amazing choices.
IB and RV slap and slayer and outcast are fun to play, every single career can succeed on the highest difficulty. Are they the best at what they do? Haha no. But theyre fun, unique, and arent actively detrimental to the team. (If you dont suck and have a good build)
@@stygiansilver9320 Not every single career can succeed at the highest modded difficulties tho. You won't find DWONS duos, DWONS+ trios or spicy ONS runs with pyromancer, engineer, and similarly weak careers.
@@Nickesponja modded is a diff story, you got me there, but even with cat dw onslaught you can make most things work, not well but it couuuld work, and not everything so i guess my entire statement is false. Oh whatever lol.
You excluded ranger veteran from boss killer, cause one with a mw pistol does Insane damage to alot of bosses. like yes there are bosses that they run out of ammo before they do, but for roaming monsters they can do a ton against them.
just have Sienna on the team, always
noted
I have a BIG doubt since my first day in Vermintide 2... Hope someone can solve it ;o
Does the amount of power you have apply to all bots regardless of the weapon they have? Or they amount of power it's independent..?
Why I'm asking this? If I put an increase If I put an increase in power in the talents, will it go up? Or does his power statistic not move because it is determined by the amount I have?
And well, I have another lol hope someone read this🤞 will help me a looooot.
In some talents it says "headshots", are this just for distance weapons? Or does it also refer to melee..?
If u read this, thanks, and I hope you can help me, I only play with bots and I'm trying to have a victory in legend hehe have a good day!!
Sorry if my English is bad :p great video by the way!!
Power the bots have is pulled directly from the gear/talents that they have equipped. If you play on a character with a specific build and power level and switch off, the bot that replaces you will run the exact same thing that you just ran yourself. Also, all talents that refer to headshots applies to both melee and ranged unless otherwise specified.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
@@jtcLIVE ooh god, I appreciate it so much, thank you fo taking the time to answer me, I was typing this doubt in so many forums without success.. Now I can kill for holy sigmar.
Thanks, keep up the good work, great explanation, great graphics in the video, everything sweet!
Wish you luck JTC 🕯️ thanks for the time
So when you say Battle Wizard is it automatically assumed to be Corus staff BW?
Edit : you say she can be good at horde clearing and special sniping at the same time, I don't see it. Bolt staff can't do horde clear. Anything that's not bolt staff is awful for quick sniping (I would even say Bolt is not even that good at quicksniping) so yeh I don't know what I'm missing here
BW is usually played with Corus, Bolt or Beam. Which you pick depends on the comp.
If you are running corus, your special sniping is indeed limited. You do however destroy everything that isn't super armour.
With bolt you destroy all specials and elites with ease. Sit in the backline and keep high overcharge for faster bolt charging. You actually still destroy hordes because of fire sword+ult. So you indeed can do both. Even in modded you can kill specials fast enough so I guess that counts as quicksniping?
That leaves beam. Beam has the highest monster dmg out of all 3. Has good horde dps with the shotgun blast and not good but manageble special sniping.
So in conclusion BW is probably the most op career in the game and is borderline mandatory in modded if you wanna have an easy time. Hopefully this essey gave some clarity :)
This is for the algorithm
Ditto
So all I got from this video is that BW is a mediocre career possibly better than pyromancer while other careers like GK do what BW is supposed to do but way better?
I would say that 1 other team is the speed-run team.
Foot Knight
Slayer
Handmaiden
Zealot
Battle Wizard
where you can finish near any map in under 10 minutes
(I first witnessed this playing Mercenary where I was trailing behind the 2 fast players who would half the time finish the final battle of the map before I could catch up.)
I wish it was a five player game like that, never made sense to me why the whole team is never together.
The zealot is a tank also
He doesn’t have access to anything with huge stagger or aggro draw so I wouldn’t call him a tank by Vermintide standards. He can take some more hits than squishy careers sure but not to a degree where he can just ignore being hit.
0 seconds in, and I see no Sienna. Already, we're on the right track :^)
Waystalker & Bounty Hunter = Does it all. Best weapons go a long way.
Bounty hunter kind of has to choose between special/elite sniper or horde clear for ranged. None of his melee weapons are good at horde clear besides greatsword/flail but his talents don’t support those weapons. Of course he can always check off boss killing regardless though.
Waystalker provides nothing that shade or even handmaiden can't provide, while less. It's the worst kerillian class
When the game just came out, everyone go Shade.
If we tryhard, we play: BW, WHC, WW, GK
You mean WS, not WW
@@claudealpha2090 Waystalker... sorry
I somehow always think of her as WayWatcher
@@claudealpha2090 I think the characters still call her Waywatcher though. It's a trivial difference really. If I used Ranger to refer to Bardin's class instead of Ranger Veteran, you still know who I'm talking about. Same with Waywatcher/Waystalker
I always found that the WS was kinda useless at high level. not much utility, pretty useless heal, and the damage is easy to get with the other Elf classes tbh.
Waystalker? Really? That's prob kerillian worst class. Shade can do everything better, except for a meme swift bow horde clearer in easier difficulties... Which i admit is fun as heck.
Atleast for the next time choose a video where you dont have an ironbraker in it.