Star Wars: The Sequel Trilogy - "Canon is Overrated"
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Michael reflects on the state of Star Wars fandom and has a BIG question to ask. Something doesn't make sense here...
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“I like Star Wars because it’s Star Wars”
Just cause it’s Star Wars doesn’t mean it’s good.
I can't even accept the new Disney trilogy as Star Wars canon. They might as well be called "Space Adventure".
Apparently, those people really enjoy the Holiday Special and Masters of Teras Kasi.
Thats literally c0ns00mer mindser holy shit. Lmao
By that standard, there would be nothing that wouldn't be Star wars if they slap the label on it.
It "doesn't matter to them" because it's not about the films, it's about the IDEOLOGIES and agendas being pushed that they like.
And anyone saying anything contrary is a hate filled "ist" of varying description.
Woke needs to be stomped out of existence. Dave Chappelle and Rickey Gervais are a great beginning. Let's keep it up!
Rey: "I bypassed the character development". 100% correct! 😂😂😂
@Eye Above All Star Wars is now too toxic to be assimilated. 😉
To be fair
Rey is as developed as Luke and Anakin in their part one films and as developed come part 3.
@@ryancols To be fair
both Luke and Anakin needed rescuing multiple times by others, and were shown to need other characters for support. They both failed with CONSEQUENCES that changed the stakes [allowing Dooku to escape, allowing Han to be taken away by Fett].
Anakin ultimately loses to Obi-Wan through his own arrogance.
Luke defeats the Emperor through his own moral fortitude, and is saved by Vader. He is totally outclassed by both except for when tapping into the dark side.
Rey on the other hand, 'fails' to get Luke's help, but still saves the remaining rebels by the end - and the ones killed were the result of Finn and Poe's failed plan. Rey beats Palpatine by HERSELF using 'all the Jedi knowledge' and then is brought back to life by Ben Solo.
So, no. We can imagine whatever we want as the mental anguish the character goes through internally, it is their outward actions that manifest their struggle. When Rey has a little cry she just carries as if nothing happened moments later. That is not compelling - which is why some of the audience fails to identify with Rey.
Both Luke and Anakin were defined in their first movie by their relations with their family, while Rey wasn't shown with anyone who knew her [except Plutt].
Both Luke and Anakin were repeatedly underestimated by hero characters, not just villains. They weren't immediately respected and cherished by everyone.
Skip the tutorial and all the dialogue on your first time through.
@@ryancols luke has a simple character arc. He isn't complex. But he has clear character development.
Now, I want a whole series of videos entitled "Doesn't Matter To Them" that addresses the canonical idiocy of other ruined fandoms with same satisfying redundancy in this one.
He should do the predator franchise next
Lord I could listen to that all day
Stop asking logical questions. - Every Disney fan
one thing thats great is the new fans will never be able to get out of the old fans shadows....like the new trilogy will always be compared to the other 2 since it didn't separate itself positively to stand on its own and older fans will never let these people have peace of mind..which is what they deserve for enjoying shit ….the original trilogy fans only had the three films and christmas special from 1977-1987 really...that was it and no one to debate over which trilogy is better just three films and a garbage special...they didn't have to worry about the internet or anything...
They Live gets more relevant by the pound from this
CORRECTION:::
Every Disney Shill.
Fans at least can call out Bullcrap.
ItS aBoUT sPAcE wiZArDs
This is not the SEQUEL Trilogy. This is the DISNEY TRILOGY. That's all.
Whatever helps you from throwing yourself off the nearest bridge because a few movies weren't to your liking.
@@GihirahimOfTheShadow Because a few movies were bad*
@@GihirahimOfTheShadow Nope, Because the new movies didn't get any respect for George Lucas' Legacy and rules.
@@GihirahimOfTheShadow you realize we can dislike things without feeling suicidal, right? Might be a crazy concept for someone like you, who bases their entire identity around the things they like, and goes ape shit when those things are criticized.
The Mark I'd rather push you over... one less headache to deal with.
The Force Awakens: SOFT REBOOT TIME
The Last Jedi: OPPOSITE DAY
The Rise Of Skywalker: OPPOSITE OPPOSITE DAY IN BIZARRO WORLD
well... that escalated quickly
I completely agree with you, but please, use some GODDAMN PUNCTUATION.
Fuck this 'soft reboot' shit. You can't simultaneously be both a reboot of AND a sequel (or prequel) to another movie/movie franchise. Pick ONE. : P (I'm looking at you, too, "Fury Road," "Jurassic World" and "Dark Fate.")
It just proves they had no outline and made it up as they went along
@@russellharrell2747 Oh dude, the sad reality is that Rian and JJ weren't fighting, they were just doing their own thing with zero oversight.
The Force Awakens: The Generic Rehash Episode
The Last Jedi: The Seinfeld Episode
The Rise Of Skywalker: The Micheal Bay does Star Wars Episode
As lucas said in his interview with James Cameron (paraphrasing here):
In film, you have to maintain the immaculate Universe in which your story exists. As soon as you break it, people stop caring about the characters and worlds you craft.
I think he was trying to tell us something there
"I'm sure I'll lose subscribers for this."
Around the subscribers, a perimeter create!
Defened them, we will...
Prequels: Better than the sum of its parts, groundwork for great side stories
Sequels: Worse than the sum of its parts, groundwork for retcons
Nope
@Ryan C Yep
@@ryancols Yep
*d o e s n t m a t t e r t o t h e m*
The prequels were bad if not mediocre. It was obvious that Lucas just went fucking wherever he wanted with them with little to no direction. However, like you said, there's a lot of potential in it and at the very least it was backed by some actual vision, incompetent as it may have been. It was bad, but it bad in a way that felt like a person with ideas was making it. They just screwed it up.
The sequels on the other hand are fucking trash. Cinematic potato chips. Stuff that just tastes good which you shovel in your mouth without thinking about it. There's no Passion behind them. No substance. Consume and buy more. Eat it, you fucking sheep. Stop using your brain. Consume. Buy. Get hyped. Make more money for us. Anyone with two brain cells can tell that's what's going on, and it's completely shameless.
their arguent is literally "just shut up and consume" and they wonder why we call them NPCs...
As opposed to the Fandom Menace who are all regurgitating the same talking points and beating the same dead horse in video after video after video...totally not NPCs, nope....
@@GihirahimOfTheShadow Shit still hasn't changed, what are we supposed to do, just stop because you're telling us how to feel again?
@@greenbean2222 Yeah, stop because there's no fucking reason to continue going. Move on with your life, nothing new can be brought up and said about it. Why are you neckbeards so obsessed with the Sequel Trilogy? I'm starting to think you all just have a secret love for this trilogy, and you're just hiding it with hate, like how elementary kids pick on their crushes. That's why you guys wont shut up about it.
The Mark And have they changed yet? No. The roundhead can't even accept that people don't like his movie in 2020. It was two fucking years ago. How are we supposed to move on when they can't?
Kritiko If it's so pointless why don't you take your own advice and ignore what we're doing huh? Oh that's right you can't. You can't accept that people have the right to critique and call out directors for their bs. If you think I'm wrong then move along. It'll be better for both of us.
The force awaken - Me: I'm pretty sure I saw the same movie when I was a kid and it was better.
The last jedi - Me: Why did they show Kylo Ren shirtless?
Rise of the Skywalker - Me: wait, old Sheev had sex?
Nope, sheev clonate him and his son have... Rey is a semi-clone
@@danielcarlosbarros8853 If sheev cloned himself,
It means the clone is also sheev and if Rey is a "semi-clone".
Still.means sheev had sex🤣
Yea
So one of the flaws according to you of the Last Jedi is that one of the characters shows up shirtless. Did that really make the movie better or worse of an experience for you?
Who's Sheev?
This video is the absolute best and most clear exposition of what modern Disney Star Wars is and what the social fracture surrounding it is all about. Any outsider to Star Wars wanting to understand the current turmoil should watch this video and understanding will become clear as day.
Prequels had somthing to tell, when sequels DON'T have ANYTHING to tell at all.
No, the sequel trilogy did have a story and message. Unfortunately, due to identity politics, it retroactively destroyed legacy characters and their accomplishments. So yes, this cultural vandalism has a message - diminishes the past and repudiate what the fan base and modern culture valued about the original trilogy.
I definitely agree. The prequels added to the lore and world building while the sequels literally took away from it.
@@buttbuttwhat1 What the prequels lacked the series Clone wars had zero issue coloring between the lines and strengthening the whole trilogy. Best of luck if they tried a series like that for the Sequel trilogy.
Correction, the Sequels did have a story but corporate meddling came and killed the chance it had. The Prequels had heart and soul put into it, becoming an actually good series that was thrown around because oeople took things at face value. Epusode 2 is definitely not good but Anakin is a pent up teen that has been suppressed by their wider group and family and just wants to express his emotions.
This really showed that this is Lucas' vision. Remove his influence and the greater picture gets lost. All the best Star wars material either fits itself neatly in Lucas' story and/or has Lucas directly involved. Lucas offered his help but Disney rejected it for reasons God only knows...and now we have the best example of what happens when you take the Lucas outta Star wars.
That entire "Doesn't Matter to Them" part is why I keep coming back to this video.
I agree as well. Highlight of this video. Just hammering down every point which is on point.
@@KrazyJoeAdventures Nope.
@@madonion5190 Mhm. A lot of things he pointed out for me were things where, well. To quote RLM: "You didn't notice it. But your brain did."
It's probably the 4th time I've seen this video.
It's just another way of virtue signalling.
This is the best critique of the sequel trilogy I’ve seen. The Last Jedi was soooooooo bad, I will not watch The Rise of Skywalker, I’m done.
If ya still haven’t seen it, I promise you some YTPs *actually* sum it up well
Some YTPs do it all better in some ways. That’s saying something
The prequels had a story to tell and they told that story on screen. When Force Awakens dropped and people questioned all the blatant holes we were told to go read a book that would explain all the plot holes to us.
Mark Hamill said it best during an interview before Last Jedi hit theaters. That he didn't feel his character was fleshed out in the film and that it was up to books and video games to detail Luke's life. Prompting Kathleen to laugh, stand up, grab a mic and say that Luke had a story in the film and all was well. Of course she lied her ass off so fans wouldn't skip the theatrical release of Last Jedi. That's the Disney Star Wars strategy, to lie and push books
the sequels turned luke and vader into nothing characters...palpatine coming back totally ruined anakin's arc and sacrifice and meaning of the prequels and last jedi shat on luke two of the most iconic 70's and 80's characters ever the standards for hero and villain two top 10 hero and villains in fiction period....wow...I can't even...
Agreed. You can't just have "The First Order has risen from the ashes of the Empire" in your opening crawl and not explain how that happened. In the Disney trilogy, JJ wanted everything in "The Force Awakens" to be exactly the same as it was in "A New Hope" right down to the Republic sending only a dozen X-Wings to take out the Planetkiller base. That's ridiculous. All that does is raise more questions. What exactly IS the Republic? Were they nothing more than those six planets that the First Order destroyed? Are they THAT pathetic?
The only books I'm buying are Legends.
In some ways, the Prequels were better...mainly in that they have a cohesive narrative. But they still sucked for a ton of other reasons, just like the Sequels. The Sequels only succeeded in that they LOOKED like Star Wars...costumes, weapons, ships, etc. And Kylo was kinda awesome, although largely wasted. But yeah, both series sucked hard.
Nah. 75% of the story in the prequel era that was WORTH seeing takes place in media outside of the 3 feature films. Of course, even the prequels' paltry existance still seems to supercede the sequels...which didnt really have much of a story at all....but, storytelling and characterization in both follow up trilogies have been garbage compared to the originals.
Tv series, stand alone films, novels, comics, and even video games have told better stories than the last 6 saga films 🤢
Disney - “the expanded universe isn’t canon.”
True Star Wars fans - “It doesn’t matter to us.”
Lucas doesn't consider the EU Canon either.
I consider myself a true star wars fan but this is way better than the messed up DE, the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and the Darth Krayt stuff
True star wars fan: "But from my point of view the sequel trilogy isn't canon"
Disney: "Then u are truly lost!"
@@leventeprincz7436 yeah no. You are completely wrong. Almost all of legends tells a far better story than the sequel trilogy
@@leventeprincz7436 well boy oh boy if the rumors are true about the new Resistance animated series are true you sure are going to be in for a rude awakening because the Yuuzhan Vong aren't going anywhere if the rumors are true.
The Skywalker saga ended with Return of the Jedi, it's time to move on.
makes you wonder why movie 7 even tried to tie back to the original trilogy?...it just failed in their faces..why not just start 100 years later after return of jedi with new characters?...just say luke trained many new jedi maybe had a kid who then had their own kid who then had their own kid and is our new main character or keep it vague aka a mystery so by movie 2 or 3 of the trilogy we find out hes luke's great grandkid or something like don't reveal it in movie 1...you know what I mean?..leave like one hint and then reveal it like empire did in movie 2 which ties it to 3 so we have a reason to watch all 3 films or just have no hint at it and just reveal it....how cool would that be? ..like in the first film they have small ability to se the force and we wonder how?....like come on and their the underdog normal late teen character not some female brat scavenger which I can't relate to ....well anyways so for movie 1 start us off in a new world that is peaceful like a soft reboot and now we reset at this generations episode 4 or 1 kinda with new characters dealing with new issues and set up a new empire in movie 1 while introducing us to new characters and making them have origins like new hope did then have huge training trials and chases in in movie 2 then in movie the finale conclusion to the trilogy where a narrative that has been built through the three films comes full circle through your new main character.....how hard is that?...would of made a lot of us like the films more and thus the rogue one and solo and possible kenobi films would of gotten us excited as one offs to characters and stories we thought we would never see again on the big screen...then they claim theres no source material after not listening to lucas' ideas for the new stories at all while trying to force nostalgia onto us with characters from 1977 and directors who want to either hit us with fanservice or subvert our expectations...did they realize lucas made the ideas for the original trilogy and Indiana jones?..hes pretty good at ideas as a basis...then you pay him and get directors writers actors and animators to perfect his ideas onto the big screen ..pretty simple...and they also made all source material like comics uncanon..good job disney...only thing they made that is worth a damn is the madalorian ….its amazing how they messed this up and then expect us to turn our brains off and forgive bad filmmaking and production with this much budget and resources after making lucas sell while damn near all of it went to charity anyways..smdh ...like you don't have to go from return of jedi to the retirement home era after it...just continue the story from a new place..oh but that requires real ideas work and they won't get the nostalgia money if they did that lol ...I don't care what anyone says dinsey is a joke just trying to get their money back ...couldn't stand force awakens hated last jedi less but still had hate for it ...rise of skywalker annoyed me a lot with its flaws even if its atleast a meh somewhat enjoyable movie its still bad like the other 2 in many ways too....what a waste...
@@razkable Kathleen Kennedy wanted her own personal hero, she said ray is the chosen one not anikan 🤮
Agree
Asmosis Jones litterally describing legacy era which is great
Mark Sabian the prequels are pretty mediocre but they aren’t that bad
"I'm sure I'll even lose patrons."
Well...your honesty actually earned a patron...ME!
"REYYYYYY! REYYYYY!! REYYYYYY!!!"
-Finn/FN-2187
Every film lol
Also “POE! POE! POE!!!!!”
Star Wars--"Doesn't Matter to Them."
That's pretty much the problem--Disney is making movies for people that DON'T LIKE STAR WARS.
In the same way JJ Abrams previously made Star Trek for people who don't like Star Trek.
These people are shills. Nobody is approaching any of these franchises with the respect or care to attention they deserve.
And none deserves respect more than Star Wars. The brand is tarnished now. The only solution is a rest, from movie theaters at least. The powers behind them need time to regroup and realized exactly how they monumentally screwed up so that they do it better next time. The same as for Dr Who and Star Trek. All of them need some time in the cooler.
Just like Star Trek.
I disagree. I have been a diehard fan of Star Wars for my entire life. I loved TFA, R1, and TROS.
Brick Builder Watts Good.
As long as the films suck up a billion dollars every couple of years, why would they care? You and the video maker are upset and it's understandable. But why should they care when even with all the bitching, videos, and middling critical response, the movies still make a billion without even trying hard?
2019 was the year Mandalorian and Fallen Order came out, and the vast majority of fans liked it, proving that SW fans aren't a bunch of factions impossible to please - there is a way to make Star Wars that unites the fanbase.
I would give fallen order an 8 or 9 out of 10. One of the only issues with the game is that you can only do one move with two lightsabers.
Im on the 4th episode so far (please dont spoil) and I love it, it isnt perfect by any means but I love the western setting. In the 4th episode, Ive really liked the more nature focused opening and the conflict. I really liked it because this is what I think the sequel trilogy should be in a nutshell. The galaxy is rebuilding, a threat emerges (oh no, the sith have somehow returned) and the new heroes must protect it. This is an extremelly basic outline, but it pretty much is what the first movie should be about, with the other following the SW structure. Second has that big fall, prehaps the Starkiller and third has heroes rising back for the final fight.
Also, I dont like Fallen Order, so far Ive done the BP-1 mission and am heading fir the Zeffo planet, but I just cant bring myself to enjoy it. It just feels like a retelling of Kanans story (hiding on a mining planet, friends death makes him rebel, rebuilding the order - its very similar).
@@lugyd1xdone195 keep at it! It's excellent!!
@@dustinakadustin thanks, to be honest I was actually thinking about it when I saw your comment. By the way, would you hate it if the maneuvr Holdo got repeated in the alternative trilogy, but was actually explained and stuff (it would make sense and wouldnt break the lore with kamikaze tactics being most efficient) - I really want to know how would people react to it.
“You’ll take whatever-“
“Doesn’t matter to them-“
Lol.
This video is so satisfying on so many levels... I’ve watched it at least 10 times over the past few weeks...
This video is exactly what many of us have been thinking. The last three movies basically make no sense, and do not connect to the original Star Wars trilogy or the prequels.
Han Solo's cameo more than likely only happened because Carrie Fisher died and Kylo Ren had to reconcile with at least ONE of his parents, not because they gave any particular shit about Han Solo being in the film, it's also probably why Harrison Ford actually agreed, that thought does amuse me
“Luke mourning the lost of Han, his life long friend and brother-in-law” - doesn’t matter to them.
"Let's have a shitty casino subplot that goes nowhere instead." - Ruin Roundhead Johnson
HOW does master Jedi Luke Skywalker not sense the death of Han Solo through the force? If Rey farts half a galaxy away Kylo can sense it so did Luke forget to pay his force bill and got disconnected?
@@Locutus.Borg. The movie states explicitly that Luke had cut himself off from the Force.
You should try paying attention to movies. It REALLY helps.
I disagree totally. It's not that they don't care, they are so inept and mediocre writers they don't realize the importance of that little details.
@@zogosphere So Luke disconnected his force service then? Thanks for drawing a literal line through my punchline buddy. Still, it doesn't sit right with me that Luke just cashed in his chips and went to live as a hermit but left a sequence of McGuffins, a detailed map, on where to find him.
"Doesn't matter to them" will become a drinking game.
@Tom Ffrench while the original trilogy had issues (not film is perfect) it didn't have as many as the Sequel Trilogy. The number of in-lore errors, plot conveniences, plot armors, characters de-development, is so big, that the entire immersion is broken when watching those movies. You may hate this guy's viewpoints, but he is absolutely right about all of that. And i'm not a follower of him. This is in fact, the first time I've seen any of his videos. CZcams just recommended it to me.
@Tom Ffrench lol what? every single "nitpick" in the doesn't matter section its about the movies or the characters in the movies. What are you even arguing there?
@Tom Ffrench lololololol non of those things he criticized made sense? In fact, there are a lot more stuff that he doesn't mention that doesn't make sense. 90% of the current cannon (books and comic books) is trying to explain away all the plot holes created by the new movies. it is fine if you liked the movie, but just because you are saying "it makes sense", does not make it so.
Please do answer me every one of the questions he made there. The ones you claim are explained in the movies. I will patiently away for you to blow my mind with how it makes sense.
Tom: it all matters and man, what a horrible pile of poo the new series is. It feels trite and small and there are no deep connections that make sense transcendent sense to move the story in a human way. It is all so temporal and weak.
@Tom Ffrench : The one that didn't payed attention was you. I have a sincere question for you and your sincere answer to this.
To me, TFA have a lot of "because yes" stupid moments for people who don't like to use their brains; it's a whole stupid "because yes" movie that needs a lot of argumentative explanations from them.
Here is an example that many people overlook and my question:-
In a village of poor scavengers who spend all day looking for a nut, or a microchip with a little value to be able to eat, constantly working boning old machines....
Why did the first scavenger that found the brand new, completely intact and running the Droid BB the one he was mistreating handed it to Rey without fighting and without discussing giving it to her for free?
Disney and Jar Jar Abrahams answer : Because.....yes.
Lazy stupid writers.
"You have to understand it to like it."
What is there to understand? I thought it was just: "A movie about space wizards for children"?
rey uses force lightning
me: yawn
fans: you just don't understand its so deep...
me: its a fucking cartoon in live action wtf you talking about ...this sucks
Yup, WE understand it just fine. It's Disney's writers who don't understand it.
I admit, I did like the Force awakens because I’d thought that all the holes would be answered in the next episodes. Then.... nope, just more holes and disappointment. Made me sick and wanted to leave in the middle of the film but, I stayed to see if it would get better.... It didn’t. 😑
Same here. I liked TFA so much that I bought Rey and Kylo Ren Hot Toys. The Last Jedi was worrisome but I still gave them til the Rise of Skywalker to make it make sense. All I know is, I know longer have the Rey and Kylo Hot Toys.
I heard this from other people too back then and I cannot for the life of me understand why you and others ever thought that would be the case. I also don't understand why or how anyone liked the Force Awakens. That movie pretty much killed any positivity and hope I had for any Star Wars movie from Disney going forward
@@matthewreyes5951 I thought the first half was serviceable but then Kylo Ren removes his mask and becomes a pathetic villain, Rey turns total Mary Sue, Finn a jokester, Phasma is useless, Gollum is the new Emperor, the New Republic is killed by the super-deathstar to retcon RotJ, a poor imitation of the trench run with no stakes, Han dies and Leia ignores Chewie, the pointless search for Luke ends on a literal cliffhanger. etc. etc.
@@die1mayer Going to have to strongly disagree. The movie sucked all the way through from beginning to end. None of it was serviceable to me.
@@matthewreyes5951 Maybe it was just me being too forgiving when i first watched TFA and hoping for a good finale, but then again i only watched TFA once in the cinema...
"We're trying to improve Star Wars; you're trying to control other people" Hit the nail on the head with that one, Michael. Long live the fighters
@Atomic Half Lives Matter So true, and no matter how many times the lesson is taught on socialism, a new support always seems to arise for it. Or, as Maya Angelou said, "There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure the truth."
Everything I hated in Star Wars are in the sequel trilogy. This new trilogy is not canon to me.
Me neither. I keep telling people that we can decide what the canon is ourselves even if Darth Mickey says it is something else
Star Wars ends at Return of the Jedi, the so called sequel trilogy is nothing more then the equivalent of Dragon Ball GT. Rogue One is alright. The Mandalorian is fantastic.
It’s the difference between GL’s Star Wars, and Disney’s Star Wars. The same way Star Trek changed when they created their parallel universe that they tried to convince people is and always was... a prequel to TOS. Which it isn’t.
Micky throwing out the eu is all just a profit grab.
The mouse just does not want to pay a penny of royalties for someone else’s idea, no matter how good it is.
Luke lost his hand in battle against an experienced Sith and took a few years of training before becoming a master whereas Rey picked all of it up on her first try and hasn’t so much a scar on her for it! So, because she’s a woman she gets to keep her parts and have things handed to her even presumes she gets to take Skywalker as her family name?!
Bad message and the worst sort of fanfiction! Let it fade.
Long ago, I was one of those fans. Then, everything changed when Rise of Skywalker released. Suddenly, the problems of it all lit up like a spotlight.
“Doesn’t matter to them”😂😂😂😂😂😂
“I like all Star Wars films cause it’s Star Wars, and that’s enough”
Aight so if someone served you rotten food would you be okay with it because it’s still food?
Except that the Sequels aren't rotten. They may not be to everyone's taste, true, but they're not rotten. And I prefer the taste of the Sequels to the Prequels (not that the Prequels were rotten or foul-tasting). Just my personal taste.
I think a good analogy would be yes, as long as you are starved. We've been starved of Star wars movies for a decade, so yes they like it even if it's rotten because they were starved of it
"If someone served you rotten food would you be ok because its still food.."
I would never order a Big Mac meal and then complain that it wasn't a Michelin Star restaurant quality meal.
Here is the awful truth: Star Wars is not Dune, it is not The Culture series nor is it The Foundation.
The Star Wars universe was never some beautifully crafted piece of world building. It was just a back drop for a family space opera from the 1970's. It just so happens that it was visualised by some of the most talented artist and effects people that Hollywood has ever employed.
At this stage of the debacle you might as well get angry about Friday 13th part XII.
@Jacob J479 "...ever growing mindless consumer"
Sure. That is why the mindless consumers lapped up the retarded DC Extended Universe. Except of course they didn't, did they.
Todays consumers are everybit as discerning as the mugs who paid to see Attack of the Clones after watching The Phantom Menace.
Sure there is dross. But there has always been dross. Look at the cultural gems the 1990's gave us. Batman and Robin, Spawn, Attack of The Clones. So much merch.
Along with the dross I see hundreds of channels on You Tube for discerning consumers dedicated to all kinds of worthy things: hobbies, music and literature. Seems to me there is plenty to be positive about. I just saw a video about the history of Cthulhu inspired fiction in Japan. Obscure and wonderful. Not possible 20 years ago.
@@hastekulvaati9681 Lol you are literally the exact kind of "fan" the video is discussing. if you don't like Star Wars literally what are you doing here? Watch the video - it's all about idiots like you.
I saw the best movie of 2019 that made a billion dollars on a low budget with a good story, Joker
AND without Communist China money - you know, the country Disney is EDITING movies for.
PrinceTrunks26
Low budget it has a 70 million budget low budget is 5 million
@Tom Ffrench you wouldn't get it...
@Tom Ffrench Endgame is very weak as a movie, it is "marvelous" as the last movie of a series, but as a separated movie Joker is much better. Also, a movie be inspired by other movies or even be a remake of an old movie is not a flaw, Star Wars, Scarface, and The Magnificent Seven were even bigger "rip-offs".
Tom Ffrench It is in the top three probably only beaten out by Ford v Ferrari. It is in the running for best written comic book movie of all time. It deserves all the praise it gets, Joker is not overrated.
drinking game:
drink everytime he says 'doesnt matter to them'
That's lethal my friend 😂😂😂
I went to rehab
You monster XD
"Doesn't matter to them." Correct. This is the current generation: they flit from one emotional state to the next without any consistency or thought for the one before. These are people who have never learned to learn because they don't need to retain information with Wikipedia, Siri and Alexa at their fingertips to provide instant (and _possibly_ accurate) information for their immediate consumption--followed by their immediate forgetting. Their brains are disengaged, but their sense of awe is on all the time, like a child exploring a world of colors and sensations without any connection to their sources or causes. Character motivations are nothing--pretty lights! Attaining value is easy--just put your name on something that already exists and call it your own, then denigrate _en masse_ those who say otherwise.
This is the 21st century, folks. Enjoy it while you can.
I agree. Critical thinking skills are dead in these people. They're like cats chasing a laser pointer.
ok boomer :)
Enough with the "dis new generation stoopid" bullshit
Every gen had their own idiots who consumed media without thinking about it, it aint exclusive to the new ones. Its the job for the rest of us to support media that is actually good instead of good looking
@@UndeadBug It's not entirely untrue, though. of course there were always stupid people, but what the industry has been able to carefully cultivate over the years is a group of people clamoring to categorize themselves as "nerds", even though they're far from it. They have slowly turned all of this media into a personality, that shallow and uninteresting people can latch onto, trying to be one of the cool kids, when originally, being a "nerd" was anything but. that is why you have so many people just blindly obeying and clapping for this trash. they saw how prior generations or groups responded to it, and now feel as though this is the proper response, even if the product they're now supporting is a hot dumpster fire. I think he was describing this vapid cult of personality that these people wear like a mask. Thats why they come across as either invalids with por taste or delusional. They bought into a fan group with a large base, to fit in, and all of those original fans are looking around in confusion as praise is heaped on this franchise with very little to back up why.
@@hashvendetta7226 I agree with quite a few of your points, however the person i was responding to didn't talk about the wannabe nerds or the industry loyal simps, he was generalizing about the whole of Gen X, about how bad and disjointed they are from reality. That is why i had a problem with him
Legends and the EU are vastly superior to the Disney canon and I think most will agree
Yesterday I bought five Star Wars legends books
No.
There is actually amazing content in the canon current SW. Just not of them directly related with the movies.
Dark Empire is EU and it has Palpatine back.
@@saricubra2867 And done with a bitof sense and actual treath.
The Prequel Trilogy is looking alot better these days
They were silly many times but consistent and well connected. It felt like a whole story in three parts as it should be.
Thanks for stating the total truth about why Lucas made Star Wars. Most of these morons are uneducated as hell
I unironically like the prequels because I understood and liked what they were trying to do with it. Things at least made sense. Sequel trilogy is over and I still don't even know what the First Order is.
Bertrand Kurt Russell 1999-2005 SW angry fans: the ewoks are looking alot better now.
lol
@Tom Ffrench The Last Jedi is the main problem. It was like a little kid yelling "The End!" when it's his turn in the story circle.
Thank you Retroblasting for what you do. This video gets truer as time goes on.
"You like eating trash ? Fine, just don't expecting me to sit down by the table with my forks out"
- Mauler or someone
A friend literally said to me "turn off your mind. It's just good fun" to what i answered "sorry for wanting a good story that i am paying to see".
"I might lose subscribers."
*SUBSCRIBED*
It's funny how calling someone racist or sexist has become such a normal reaction for some people that it doesn't really mean anything anymore
This rant is a perfect summary of how I have felt about the Disney era of Star Wars. This was very well thought out and much more eloquently portrayed than any of my mad ramblings to friends and co-workers. You, good sir, just got a new subscriber. To be honest, I found this channel while trying to find the origins of why the original Luke Skywalker toy had a yellow lightsaber... That quest is still on-going.
Glad you enjoyed it!
"I never heard anyone say the prequels should be exactly like the OT"
- Yes, because they also didn't try to be the OT. Disney Star Wars however did try to be exactly like the OT. Such a argument can only show up when someone tries to ape something, but do it poorly.
YES
They were lots like the OT tho
Except
The prequels were lots like the OT
@@ryancols Like how exactly? Did they have a orphan boy that gets picked up to fight for a rebellion?
Was there an evil Empire dominating the Galaxy?
Did the evil Empire have planet destroying weapons?
Was the force users so nonexistent in the Galaxy that only the Emperor and his second hand man was known users of the force?
Sorry but you are just wrong. The prequels reference the OT but it isn't trying to be a carbon copy of it like the sequels. The sequels are the OT but with a new and younger cast. With bigger guns and a super weapon that can shoot down even more planets then before.
@@Cloud_Seeker -the orphan was picked up to fight against the rebellion ( the cis)
-the Republic dominated the galaxy and was evil fielding a army of mass produced slaves
-it was in the process of designing planetkillers
-A stadium's worth of force users isn't insignificant but might as well be in the big picture
:P
“do or do not, as long as money it makes”
-The Mouse
“Is fan service better”
“No. Quicker, easier, more seductive.”
Remember the south park episode where the mouse beats and abuses the jonas brothers?
That is now not the jonas brothers. It's the original and prequel star wars characters.
yoda: do or do not there is not try
luke in his head: thats a dumb way to look at life...I get what you mean but no way I will teach that to my kids sorry yoda...
dinsey executives: yoda is 100% correct...
me: the film wants you to question that sort of black and white mindset since its what causes anakin to go crazy as we later found out and even luke questions the jedi way in movie 8 lol ….even without that context your suppose to think yoda is wrong when he said that and sympathize with luke with how cold yoda is...and the look luke gives after he says it as the music swells
I've heard MANY arguments against the sequel loving hypocrites but, I just have to say, this argument is by far the most reasoned, well put and concise one that I've heard so far. Even though this video was made 2 years ago, it's still very relevant and the argument made is both passionate and blunt.
Well done sir. 🙏
this is more relevant now then it was when you made it
"The FIRST ORDER reigns."
So, they have total control of the galaxy?
"Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy.
"Wait, they don't have total control?
"Only General Leia Organa’s band of RESISTANCE fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight."
Wait, rising tyranny? So, not in control?
The Last Jedi opening text is contradictory. It doesn't matter to them.
Also, why would the First Order even need Palpatines Fleet?
Aren't they already in Control of the Galaxy?
@@johannesseyfried7933 No one seemed to think of planning the story to be consistent throughout the trilogy.
Since when were they in control of the galaxy anyway? It's been established that they were much smaller and less powerful than the Empire in Force Awakens. Their Death Star knock off goes down and they never build anything that big or powerful again. They lost overall in Force Awakens so where did they get such power or influence from?
The Empire had to spend its second movie regaining its lost influence after the initial defeat. The First Order just pulls a no u out of its ass and is suddenly in control.
@@Superluigi881 It just doesn't make Sense.
Also, where the f*ck is the Republic Army? You can't tell me that EVERYONE was at the Hosnian System, and that none of the Survivors would want to punish the First Order.
Imagine if some bearded Austrian and his Death-Cult built a Superlaser and blew up Washington.
You'd think, after the Weapon is destroyed, that the rest of the Galaxy wouldn't tear them to shreds?
@@johannesseyfried7933 FIVE planets, out of thousands, got blown up. That's not reason to surrender, thats reason to martial the forces and go to war. But here's the new republic with their thumbs firmly up their bums. ...its just poor writing.
How can Canon be overrated, they made Superman IV: The Quest for Peace!
Superman Returns
😂😂😂
And American Ninja!
And THAT is why it's overrated 😂
And Delta Force!!!
40 year ago: “Man, Luke Skywalker is awesome, I wonder what will become of him after this trilogy?”
Last Jedi: “Luke becomes an old fat hermit who abandons his family over breaking character and almost killing his nephew despite willing to sacrifice himself in the past for the most evil man in the galaxy. And he .. grumbles at a girl, and trolls his nephew. But then suddenly dies of a heart attack from using the Force too hard.”
40 years ago: ohhh ... um, isn’t the Force like a spiritual thing? How can ghost powers cause cardiac arrest?”
Prequels: “Midichlorians”
Sequels: “Yoda’s ghost sets an ancient Jedi library on fire with lightning containing Force Bibles...”
40 years ago: “Umm... what?”
Sequels: “Ghost Luke changes his mind about being a miserable old fat hermit and uses the Force to lift a 30 year old X-Wing out of an ocean, and somehow it still flies.”
40 years ago: “Umm ... okay, I’m gonna stick with my unaltered original trilogy and enjoy my Kenner figures, but you have fun with that Disney Mouse.”
MeowMeowChocoChow sorry that Luke had an actual interesting arc and wasn’t exactly the same as he was in some book.
For me the true and only Sequel Trilogy is Heir to the Empire. Nuff' said...
Whatever George Lucas believes is a true Star Wars sequel, is Canon to me.
George Lucas star wars is cannon. Disney star wars is a parody.
seanmc 71 ...or fan-fiction at best.
Well said.
So since George helped make the clone wars TV show, that could be consider canon to right? I’m asking cos I’m a huge clone wars fan.
@@Blast_5240 well if George Lucas approved of it and since he's the creator of star wars then I personally believe so.
I remember when the internet hated Lucas for what he did with the prequel trilogy. Apparently, that's no longer a thing
Doesn't matter to them!
- Michael D. French (2019)
How many things don't matter to them?
Michael - Yes.
The "doesn't matter" type of thinking and not knowing how stories and story lines DEVELOP is part of the "dumbing down" of America and the world. These folks have NO IDEA of how much they DIDN'T LEARN in their school years. English, grammar, how to WRITE a proper paper.....have all been needed to develop good writing abilities...which ARE what FILMS are made of, but not in many of todays movies, especially the last 3 SWs.
Even cursive writing, and music and art help develop the brain, the computer does not. The computer has the "knowledge", we forget MOST of what we read (proven). But, physically DOING skills teaches the brain and the person valuable lessons they never forget. The computer has taken many of those necessary skills away. The "powers that be", which include Disney KNOW THIS! They WANT idiots and servants, because they are part of the "globalist so called elites", who don't give a damn about "the people".
"The failure is... _female_ ." Dear god these new films are AWFUL. Even if I "didnt think" I'd still be incapable of ignoring all the garbage writing and plot lines. You've earned my subscription with this great content mate. Well done.
"doesn't matter to them", shit the bed I haven't laughed so much for ages. I had to play it twice to get the full effect.
The Chad Legends vs The Virgin Canon
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend."
-Thomas Jefferson
That's because he hasnt watched Star Wars.
Sounds like the actual trolls and bots are the ones who defend this trilogy with massive plot holes and poor story telling.
Perfect!!! The people that likes the “trilogy” are perfectly fine with WHATEVER!!!
Well done and well said!!!
"Doesn't matter to them" is going to become the new "No one's ever REALLY gone"
I like explanations.
No explanation for where the First order came from, or how the First Order became so powerful? Answer: Rae Sloane survived the Battle of Endor and went to the Unknown Regions together with Brendol Hux after the Battle of Jakku. How did Germany became so powerful after WW1? This is not a problem really.
No explanation for why the New Republic isn't fighting the First Order? Answer: In short, Mon Mothma demilitarized the New Republic. Internal political struggle between Centrists and Populists didn't help the situation, neither did secret First Order agents in the Senate.
No explanation for why the Resistance can't get more support from other allies? Answer: The most important reason is probably the fact that Leia was revealed to be Darth Vader's daughter. Imagine Hitler's daughter running for President in the USA. The political mess that was ongoing in the New Republic is another reason.
No explanation for where the First Order got their resources to turn a planet into a superweapon? Answer: First Order Centrist agents used the Amaxine Warriors as proxies to fund major crime syndicates. Income from mostly smuggling then found it's way to the First Order. Much of the work to build Starkiller Base was already done, as the planet Ilum had been excavated by the Empire starting around 18 BBY.
No explanation for how Rey knows how to use all kinds of force powers without any training? Answer: How did Luke learn force choke between ESB and ROTJ? Who trained him? Let's be serious, the picture showing in the background during this question is Rey using the Jedi Mind Trick. Probably one of the easiest things to learn. It happens all around us even in the real world.
Why does Rey know how to speak wookie and droid automatically? Answer: It's been a thing in Star Wars for some time. I think it would slow down the movies too much to have C-3PO translate every scene in every movie. Not really a problem.
How would Han Solo ever lose the Millenium Falcon? Answer: It was stolen by Gannis Ducain.
Would Han really run away from Leia and his own son? Seems out of character? Answer: He did run away from his friends on Yavin 4 so I don't know about that. Yes, he returned. But he returned in TFA aswell.
No explanation for how Luke's lightsaber was found? Answer: I don't have an answer for this. Most people would call this Anakin's lightsaber.
They killed han Solo like a doofus? Answer: I didn't mind it. It made sense to me when I watched TROS. The OT is still there to enjoy. I know you guys prefer the theatrical version, so remember that George made Han Solo looking like a doofus stepping on Jabba's tail.
Luke isn't in the movie? Answer: Yes he is.
R2-D2 isn't in the movie? Answer: Yes he is.
The hero beats the villain in hand to hand combat without any training? Answer: The hero had trained with her staff her entire life. The hero had shitloads of midichlorians. :) The villain was mortally wounded by Chewie's bowcaster, and probably not 100% focused after just having murdered his father.
No explanation for why despite the Resistance winning in the last movie, and blowing up the First Order's biggest weapon, the First Order is still so much more powerful than the Resistance? Answer: Same thing between ANH and ESB right?
Why would Luke leave a map to find him if all he wanted to do was hide and die? Answer: My take on that is that Luke hadn't fully committed to that idea. He left the door open. Force ghost Luke confess that he was wrong.
Why would Luke throw his lightsaber over a cliff? Answer: He was wrong. I understand why people have a problem with that scene (I didn't mind it though). The final battle on Crait should make up for all the dissapointment.
Why is Luke such an awful jerk? Answer: Is he? A bit grumpy maybe.
Seriously, going really slow is the Resistance strategy? Answer: They didn't have fuel for a hyperspace jump. It looks slow but it's probably very fast. Hard to get a sense of speed in space and no speedometers visible. But maybe they could've escaped during the first jump if they had went straight to ludicrous speed.
The Resistance leader won't explain her plan? Answer: That's how military organisations work. Admirals usually don't explain anything. They give orders and soldiers follow them. Maybe they were concerned about being infiltrated since they were being tracked so easily?
Force Ghosts can interact with physical objects now? Answer: Let's keep the force exactly the same. Never let it evolve. The only force abilities that should be allowed are the ones seen in ANH. The Emperor shooting lightning in ROTJ breaks canon. My take on force ghost interaction is that it's only possible on certain places (Jedi Temples etc), and under special circumstances (force ghost interacting with force sensitive). The Dyad is a new concept. It was a bit weird, but Star Wars already is.
This (space Leia)? Answer: I agree it looked a bit cheesy, but it's just a force pull. Surviving in space, yeah I think it's possible to imagine the force creating a barrier for a short period of time. The following shot when Leia enters the blown up ship and splitting the hologram of The Supremacy in half was beautyful foreshadowing.
Luke trying to kill his nephew in his sleep? Answer: That was from Ben's point of view. When Luke tell the story he had a brief instinct to do so, that immediately went away. Then it was already too late.
This (green milk)? Answer: It was a funny scene. I personally don't drink milk at all (it's for babies), but I get it why all the dairy fairy's getting so upset. It hits too close to home. Cows look f-n weird too, and we lock them up in dark barns and milk the crap out of them with machines.
Hyperspace being used as a weapon? Answer: A last resort suicide attack unlikely to succeed. Happens all the time on planet earth, but not a cost effective way for any organized military.
The First Order's endless supply of vehicles and weapons, even after their fleet is decimated? Answer: Yes, the First Order took a heavy hit when The Supremacy was destroyed, along with about 20 Resurgent-class Star Destroyers. The Finalizer survived though (crew of 80 000). After the Battle of Crait there are at least 17 Resurgent-class Star destroyers and 1 Mandator IV-class Siege Dreadnaught mentioned in canon material.
Luke being an illusion that can apparently bring physical objects with him? Answer: If you accept force ghosts and telepathy, maybe projection isn't that big of a deal? The dice was also an illusion - it disappeared. It was only Leia that physically held it, so my belief is that this is similar to force ghosts being able to interact under very specific circumstances.
Luke just dying because: reasons? Answer: I think that the effort just was too much. To project yourself over such great distance. Compare with Baby Yoda getting all exhausted and falling asleep after using the force.
Despite abandoning her training Leia is a Jedi Master? Answer: Well, the Jedi Council is long gone so I'm thinking they make their own rules in a way. Luke is considered a Jedi in ROTJ, and we haven't seen him training or constructing his green lightsaber. People would tear the OT apart if it was released today.
No explanation for how The Emperor survived the Death Star explosion? Answer: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I'm a big LOTR fan and I never hear anyone complaining about how Sauron survived.
No explanation for how The Emperor made it back to his secret Snoke cloning facility? Answer: Not in detail as of right now. But this is one of the most interesting subjects of TROS to speculate on. I'm sure there will be an answer soon.
No explanation for how The Emperor had a family and with whom? Answer: Money and power gets anyone laid, but I bet my money it's Sly Moore. Or maybe he just raped some random poor woman.
No explanation for how The Emperor had the resources and manpower to build a super fleet of Death Star Destroyers inside a space glacier? Answer: Those cultists on the grandstands probably had something to do with that. It's also 31 years since the Battle of Endor so The Emperor had plenty of time.
Jedi are now able to force heal other beings, calling into question why this ability wasn't used to save countless characters in previous Star Wars films? Answer: Padmé and Shmi are easy to answer. Force Heal is a light side power, and Force Drain is dark side. Anakin was leaning to heavily into the dark side. Qui-Gon probably was dead for too long. Luke didn't know about this power at all because he only trained on lifting rocks on Dagobah. It's possible Obi-Wan didn't know about this either, he was only a padawan at the time.
Jedi can now send objects and themselves anywhere through the force, so what's the point of spaceships again? Answer: The Force Skype is connected to this Dyad thing. It's pretty far out, even to be Star Wars, but I'm pretty sure it only apply to Rey and Kylo. And it's not like they really travel to another place. Disclaimer: I liked the World between worlds.
Rey is in love with a guy who murdered his own dad and tried to murder his own mom? Answer: It sounds weird, but in the context of TROS it really worked for me. I was very anti Bendemption before I watched TROS. Darth Vader was redeemed and he killed the younglings. And to be fair, Kylo never tried to murder Leia. He had a brief moment, but instantly changed his mind. Just like Luke and Ben Solo.
Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter? Answer: Yes.
The Emperor being alive destroys Luke and Anakin's character arcs? Answer: Anakin brought balance to the force, if only for a short period of time. His sacrifice saved Luke. Hitler was a soldier during WW1. Hitler being alive during WW2 destroys the character arc of all the soldiers that fought against the Central Powers during WW1? I don't think so.
Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter and winning the final battle implies only a Palpatine could defeat another Palpatine, and negates every single effort made by the Skywalkers? Answer: Skywalker effort? Like killing the younglings and the Tuskens? To me it say that you can change your destiny if you do the right thing. Anakin figured that out too. It's a perfect FU to Palpatine. And yeah, Rey couldn't do it on her own. She needed the help from Ben (Skywalker).
All of the Skywalkers are dead implying Palpatine won the entire chessboard in the end? Answer: Well, Rey becomes a Skywalker and Palpatine becomes Sheev Ernst Toht. I don't see how he won anything. When Ben gave his life force to Rey a part of the Skywalkers live on in her. Hell, she could maybe even be pregnant. Did you see where Ben placed his hand when he brought her back to life?
Where the hell did that yellow lightsaber come from? Answer: Where the hell did that green lightsaber come from? Doesn't matter to RetroBlasting.
Rey just calls herself a Skywalker in the end? Answer: Read above. In a way Luke and Leia became the parents she never had.
Finally. In my opinion the OT reigns supreme. Nothing can ever compare to them. In knowing this I have realized that I rather have fun with Star Wars than being cynical and nitpicking. That being said, I don't like everything. Resistance is not that good (a few episodes are great though). Forces of Destiny is pretty bad all over.
There you go 2 people go to the unknown regions and bring back an army. Yeah I honesty gave Chuck’s trilogy a shot and it just didn’t make sense. You also mention Hitler, I suggest watching Hitlers Inner Circle. Now if they followed that it would make sense. we know from the clone wars cartoon and the prequels that the money is being borrowed from the banking guild, how about after the emperors death the economy crumbles, we get a taste in the Mandalorian that imperial credits aren’t worth anything, the key players were put into power in Germany when the Laborer party was voted in by the people, since they were speaking doom and gloom from their debt after WW1 and when the crash hit the US we called in those loans which caused Germany to crash. you can do the same in SW, either way you just don’t come from the unknown regions with unlimited resources and the kidnapping of children to fill in your ranks being that they are in their mid to later 20’s and these events happen 30years later. They must have been kidnapped at what age 5 or 10 to be kids so pretty much the kids that were conceived during the battle of Endor. This was going on during the New Republic and no one did anything. We saw what the old republic did over a trade dispute a dispute not a kid napping of hundred of thousand kids from families, families that elect representatives in the new republic. Anyway all I’m saying is you could have had a corrupt power come in offering a solution to the depression the universe would have been going through after the Imperial Credit was devalued. I focus on this, cause this is what I do for a living, and believe me poor, starving races will vote for someone with answers in desperate times. The whole Leia being Vader’s daughter, how they explained it in the book never sat right with me. Considering that Luke and Leia knew.
For her step father to leave a message on another parent that was discovered by a 1st order sympathizer, yeah ok sure
I miss the old EU. Kotor, the interesting and unique backstories that people came up with for characters like IG-88, Hammerhead, and so many others, The interesting new characters created like Maras Jade, HK-47, Asharad Hett, etc. All these things that made Star Wars so interesting are gone now because of Disney, like tears in the rain.
Mandalorian pretty good though
Playing kotor again what a good time
I don't understand why Disney didn't focus the trilogy around the concepts that Kreia was trying to teach us in KOTOR 2.
I think this trilogy would have been better if it focused on the idea that the force had to be destroyed in order for there to truly be peace in the galaxy. Kylo could have turned away from Luke not because he uncharacteristically tried to kill him in his sleep, but Because Kylo uncovered the teachings of Kreia ( maybe recorded by The Exile) and was convinced that the force needed to be destroyed because of who his grandfather was (ignoring the good he did and instead focusing on the bad) and the fact that he could sense that the dark-side was still out there despite Luke protesting that his father restored balance.
Rey could be the one who tries to bring Kylo back to the light and stop him from destroying the force until she also realizes that ultimately the force is the major problem and it needs to be destroyed. Once either Rey and Kylo or just one of them is successful in destroying the force that's what ends the Sith and along with it the darkness. The Jedi are no more but now they aren't required to be protectors, everyone is on an equal playing field. It fits that sort of deconstructionist attitude Disney had when they allowed Rian Johnson to direct the last jedi, but you can tweak things to make it less of a slap in the fact to the OT and PT. Keep Rey a nobody destruct the fact that despite overthrowing the Empire the First Order just took it's place within an incredibly short timeline. I don't know, it's real hard to save this dumpster fire of a trilogy without scrapping everything- even the good ideas like Finn- except I wouldn't have settled on Finn as a name that was kind of stupid..
It's fine to deconstruct a franchise, you just have to put something forward that has a point and ends up having a more profound message than what came before without shitting all over what happened in the past while not learning from it. Trashing the past only to make the same mistakes- or in some cases worse mistakes- only makes you look like an idiot.
@@magnenoalex2 the EU didn't have to die for the mandalorian to live
@@uberkind-412 Mandalorian still has legends in the content, like The Clone Wars and Rebels.
Disney "canon" is the sequel trilogy.
Don't know how many subscribes you lost, but for whatever it's worth you gained me. Keep up the good work.
This video was pure YT GOOOLLLDDDD! I love this video so much, and lost it laughing. I will be saying "doesn't matter to them" in my sleep tonight while I'm chuckling! Some things I did disagree with, or could give you an answer on, but it was maybe like one or two of your points.
The sequel trilogy is the furthest thing from a cohesive story. It's even worse when you take the entire saga in consideration. At least we got cohesive storytelling with George Luca's.
Last, I love the car comparison, as an automotive technician. Open discussion are the only way things can advance and adapt. It's not a problem just with Star Wars.... it's a problem with the entire world. Too many people have become complacent and just like whatever.
Anyways man, great video! A lot of the same feelings here. Thanks for making me smile and laugh 😁
"Doesn't matter to them." THIS IS THE WAY
*Clicking noises* Dats right, brodda.
See the thing that makes me think a writer is good at fantasy and sci-fi is when they establish rules and stick to them.......There is no such thing in this triilogy. Lore and consistency got thrown out the window for fancy pictures.
It just pisses me off on so many levels. Imagine someone coming in a writing a sequel to Harry Potter with "there's this 11 year old who has never learnt magic but he intuitively knows the spells and perfroms them perfectly and students no longer need a wand to perform advanced spells and we have discovered spells that can bring the dead back to life".....just imagine the backlash
Seems you're halfway to Mythical Creatures there.
But yeah, that sucks and people hate it. Shocking!
@Radio Kaos =characters don't have to better themselves/we don't have to make our characters better
yeah thats why I hate continuations of action stories with masters and shit cause the kid of the main character we followed for years or his student or whatever surpasses him usually which sucks and its like when the kid we followed surpasses the master, that master had a life and story we never really saw so thats fine and the point so he can be the hero..and we knew that going in cause we follow this younger training character from jump street before the series is well known but then when you do it again for the new generation of younger audiences a dozen years later as its very popular it just feels cheap cause you didn't set up your own idea world characters you took an idea and just did it again honestly...even if its in different ways its not different enough outline wise...its the same structure just with different details and some subverting going on just to set yourself apart..does that make sense?..I hate that shit...come up with your own star wars set 100 years later and make a world don't ruin the original trilogy with this backtrack shit and then kill off our heroes and set these new films in a similar timeline..thats just asking for issues
@@razkableI agree. But I think it would have been entirely possible to have done the sequel well. For example, if they desperately wanted to take Luke out of the picture for a time, instead of making him a miserable hermit, how about he became so passive that he felt using his power was bad or that the only way to feel balance was to be completely non-violent. Then they could have brought in the idea of grey jedi and then "time for the jedi to die" could have worked as we experienced a new order of more balanced approach.
But yeah, it would have smarter if they had jumped away, but instead they were cocky and thought they could do whatever with the characters
i love it when i criticize the films and get told "i'm not observant enough" and "just don't get it"
😂😂😂😂😂Amen!!! Everything you said is on point!!! You just gained a subscriber!! Well done.
Prequels: poorly written and sometimes poorly acted lore that does not destroy the established canon of the original series, some silly ideas that sound stupid but again, aren't important enough to worry about destroying the continuity. overall, they were okay.
Sequels: no established canon matters. nothing makes sense or is explained, contradicts itself regularly, destroys any narrative or plot from ALL previous movies. including movies within its own trilogy. overall, a hot steaming corporate dump attempting to suck all the money possible out of a beloved franchise.
I would argue some parts of the prequels are well written, just like the acting. its a mixed bag
yep
Prequels are great for wolrd building. The Prequels ideas were great but the execution was bad.The ideas in the sequels were bad and execution was bad
Idk the whole midichlorians and Vader being the "Chosen One" were pretty lame
@@ColonelAngus3 the idea of vader being the chosen one to bring balance was something even most of the OT fans actually liked. So that dont count. The saga as Lucas once stated is about anakin and his redemption. Its the way ITS ALWAYS BEEN. Luke was just a very important part of Anakins story of redemption.
For me, the main reason I have problems is how much they disrespect the old fans. And how much Disney doesn't care about their own franchise.
and then tried to fix it will with putting to much "fanservice" in TROS . even now they want to release material for series and movies to fix the damage they did with TLJ with Luke's character, but no matter how much they create, he still has a terrible role and end in TLJ wich for me ruined the whole love i had for this franchise
@Enzo 1965 what does race or sexuality have to do with respecting story and fans?
@Enzo 1965 From the point of a person raised in Poland this type of behaviour looks so fookin ridiculous.
How terryfing is that you're using someone's skin color and gender, stuff they didn't have power over when they were born, as your argument in discussion. That's just mad.
@@brycevo Cause women can tease men with sex to get drinks bought for them. When you are really poor and only have around $10 a month to spent on " treats," you bough a Star Wars novel and a 40 oz. Next month you buy pizza or chinese take out and reread the Star Wars book you bought last month for the sixth time.
@@krispalermo8133 cant tell if you are a feminazi...or sarcastic
LMAO!!! Love this video - I need "DOESN'T MATTER TO THEM" as an ez button or something. Thanks for the great levity - really needed it to today! ~and you are 100% correct!
I feel bad that I'm just now seeing this, even though I'm only almost 2 months late. This and the "Trashing the Classics" video are pure gold. You're saying everything I've been thinking and have just been unable to articulate. When I encounter the stupidity that you pointed out in these videos I just get flustered and can't think straight. It's so mind boggling to me how anyone can "just watch it and enjoy it." Drives me nuts!
Thank you for taking the time to make these videos!
"Don't ask questions
Just consume product
And then get excited for new product"
- The Nerd Crew
*LOYALTY TO DISNEY*
*LOYALTY TO THE BRAND*
*LOYALTY IS SALVATION*
*LOYALTY IS LIFE*
Very cool
The Prequels >>>>>>>>>> disney sequels
The prequels tell a complete story over the course of three movies and it works mostly because Lucas oversaw the whole thing and foreshadowed events in the OT. The sequels had no overseeing figure and thus feel completely distant, not just from each other, but from the previous six films as well. And it makes me sad. So be it. Come Patsy.
Lee Anderson they should’ve just made their own trilogy then, it’s that simple plus it has nothing to do with Anakin’s legacy, it actually makes Anakin’s legacy pointless.
And the prequels were terrible.
@@66Roses ikr that says a lot if your trilogy is worse than the prequels
Sequels >>>>>>>>>>> Prequels
And i dont even like last jedi
I still love that KK complained about not having much to go from right after they threw out decades of stories, comics, games, etc...
Can someone explain why a Russian hacker would care about a movie in suckywood
That photo of George Lucas with the Disney characters is not as endearing as I'm sure people initially believed. I see a man held hostage.
@Paul Thomas Johnson He thought Kathleen Kennedy, who he worked with for many years, would take care of his creation. Man, was he ever wrong.
Not using Star Wars EU canon was a mistake,.
Imagine if the MCU decided not use the comic book for source material (characters, stories).
It's about propaganda and ideology, the fringe lunatics only love what can be bent to spew their political/personal beliefs back at them. They don't care about movies, video games, and other entertainment so much as they want to live in an echo chamber and force everyone else to think/believe as they do.
lol ikr. they didn't use the EU canon nor George Lucas's trilogy script, they literally had a resource trove of inspiration... instead we got this dorito crap.
Imagine a Starkiller movie!
Yes it was. For Disney AND for Lucas. He largely ignored the EU, too. And was going to throw Mara Jade in the trash also. In his mind, Luke never marries or has kids. His sequel trilogy would have been shit also.
gonna be honest, you shouldnt retell those stories. Take inspiration, yes, but the restrictions these writers had when making the stories were wholesome and the new trilogy should focus on the new cast, rather than having the old characters the stars of the show (which even the sequels didnt understand)
BROTHER,
I AGREE WITH YOU %100 AND I STAND WITH YOU AND OTHER STAR WARS FANS WHO WANT BETTER.
THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE HOT GARBAGE 🗑 THAT IS DISNEY STAR WARS.
What DOES matter to them: BEING WOKE... then going BROKE!!!
Remember when Star Wars used to be "fun"? Good times.
Literally, people watch with a hawk's eye and arent open minded anymore. Just enjoy the god damn movies!
Not that you have to like every one but you know what I mean
Gattapult Gaming How am I supposed to enjoy a movie trilogy where my three favorite characters of all time die in very undignified and inglorious ways? How am I supposed to enjoy something where there are no new interesting characters to connect to? How am I supposed to enjoy something when I don’t know what the stakes are, why the bad guys are doing what they’re doing, or what anybody’s motivations are? I suppose I just turn my brain off and watch the pretty colors flying across the screen. Fucking normies.
Remember when the Star Wars fandom was capable of accepting that people have different opinions? Those were good times too.
Shadowkey392 Remember when people didn’t have to lie about what happens in the films to make them appear good? I don’t, because the sequels were never good and their defenders always lied.
"Doesn't matter to them!"
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Me too
Me three!
LOL, same here. I subscribed before the video ended.
i come back to watch this video every few months. So cathartic and expressed in way that we can relate to. We're tired of this crap and we can feel it from you as well with this amazing rant. I never leave comments but this is basically my favorite rant on the site and the best critique of Disney Wars and its Fans.
I had a fan of these movies tell me that my overvaluing of what Star Wars should be is destroying me mentally. That my hate for these new movies is one of the reasons why Star Wars is dying. All I wanted was to share how I think Star Wars could be better. You’re right that people like this exist.
"Ray is in love with a guy who murdered his dad, and tried to murder his mom ?!"
"Ray is a Palpatine ?!"
Me : Well , I guess the latter validates the former ... . Hey, Disney canon makes total sense you guys !!!
... you just need to be a bit of a psychopath , to unlock the twisted hidden logic ...
left out the part where he also kidnapped and tortured her
@@fmjhp762 -- yeah well , I didn't want to get into the foreplay ... ;)
seems to ignore "the force is female", well maybe the dark side
Take a shot everything time he says “doesn’t matter to them”
No my kidney's and liver man?, do so at your own risk o.k. (lol) 😆😉😁😂🤣
Gonna get retro blasted, eyyy
That will = to hangover
Oh, Hey Dave Mustaine.
Are you trying to kill us?
"You have to understand it to like it" Okay, so let me get this straight...
A copy of A New Hope with a Gary Stew that could do everything upon seeing it can beat a well trained Fallen Jedi who is a raging toddler, the message is that you must have talent to even be considered good and that everything is free and easy to come by. That one message contradicts every single movie in Star Wars up to this point. In A New Hope, Luke had flown similar aircraft, presumably for years, not to mention his force connection, but he still had to work all those years to even be an okay pilot. In Empire Strikes back, Luke looses a hand simply because he rushed in, he has all of the Talent there, yet looses due to him not having the proper skills. In RoTJ Luke trained for a long time, was barely a knight, and barely avoided becoming the next Darth Vader simply because he had trained to get the skills, and saw the situation for what it was. Phantom Menace, Anakin is a Gary Stew, yet, he still had to practice pod racing for a long time and that was the first time he completed the race. This is despite him having potentially the strongest connection to the force of any character in the series, even if it is mismanaged, Cannon and Legends. Attack of the clones, Anakin looses an Arm, his emotional control, nearly looses Obi Wan had it not been for Yoda, and nearly looses the love of his life because he ran in head first. In Revenge of the Sith, the plot is that Anakin looses trust in not only the Republic he is trying to protect but also, his love, his metaphorical brother/Father, and hates himself for it, yet cannot do a thing about it because people forced him into a situation he couldn't avoid. Obi Wan, who has less talent than most all Star Wars force users beats him through training and keeping his cool.
Next is for the character suicide of this movie, Han starts as a smuggler in A New Hope. Slowly become a rebel, falls in love with a princess and is willing to have a child with her, yet for some reason ditches all of that because of Disney just wanting an old mentor. Luke, perhaps greatest Jedi of all time in both Legends and Cannon, confronted his father about his past actions, and got him to be a better person again. Yet, for some reason, when somebody else is falling to the dark side, he thinks about killing them? He didn't even think about killing Vader in RoTJ until he threatened to try and turn Leia. Leia heads a rebellion, it's more faithful to the character than the others, but she is a diplomat that helps a rebellion, not the commander. The galaxy at large ignores the remnants of the Empire, you know, the guy lead by Space Hitler that wished to purge the galaxy of Jedi, Aliens, and Freedom. The Empire that cared to little for it's populace that much rather than talk out some solution to its issues, it blows up an entire planet. The Empire that enslaved nearly every non-human in the galaxy. Every new character could have had an interesting arc, yet Finn gets no time to be a character, Rey knows everything because she's a woman with the force, Poe is in the movie for about two minutes outside of major events, Kylo wants to be Vader for some reason and then is defeated by a nobody from a planet with not training, Phasma is just a gag where they instead could be used in a similar roll to Ozzel, Piett, or Veers at the very, very least, and Snoke is just there, looks powerful, uses the force once, and that's it, nothing about him beyond his name is Snoke and he can use the force.
That is only the first movie made by Disney. Yet their fans claim that none of these problems matter (You can count how many I've listed if you want) and that we're thinking too hard. This only got into the plot and the characters, the writing of the Prequals could have been better, sure, the older films could be made more Flashy, yet both of them at the very core of their move drive home very real concepts. Authoritarian governments are evil, often the worst people are only the way they are because of what others did to them, learn from your mistakes, see what populism really is, and so on. Yet Disney's deepest plot to offer is good wins against evil without defining good, evil, any middle ground, and how to be good or evil.
In a sense, this shows a problem with people these days, as they are willing to take the worst stories just because it's something to do. Get angry when people want their once great story to not be ruined, agree with the problems and then say it's good enough just because it wasted on of their hours they could be the next Newton, Einstein, George Lucas, Mozart, or really any other famous person from history. All stories are only as good as the message being told, and Star Wars has lost it's message. Thank you for getting through my essay of the greatest failure in story telling.
Edit: I forgot to mention the first time I wrote this as a counter to being Racist or against diversity that Leia's whole point plot wise is to prove that even women can be heroes, aliens too with all the aliens seen in the Rebellion.
Never take this down, Mike.
God I miss Mara Jade.
And Talon Karrde
And kyle katarn
I miss Rogue Squadron
And Dash Rendar
And Wedge Antilles.
The throwing the lightsaber over the cliff thing probably pissed me off the most.
Piss me off too! The Luke I know wouldn’t do that to his own father’s lightsaber
@@rocketbeastwolf Fair, considering this isn't the Luke we know. Its Jake Skywalker, a very poor interpretation of our beloved Luke.
That was the "WTFF" moment 🤬
Even Mark Hamill said in interviews, this isn't the Luke Skywalker, but he credited some line from, this isn't what you would expect, imo Rian butchered Luke's character. Abs Kennedy who had no bond or passion or any understanding of this franchise, thought it was brilliant and have them the green light to do so, effect, splitting the Star Wars fanbase in half, plummeting sales of merchandise ( figures of rose, snoke and holdo remaining shelved the most or on sale for less as a few dollars) as with JJ start he has absolutely no build up of the characters background, they just appear and without any training can do anything. This whole trilogy makes the 1st 6 movies useless, there is barely any connection besides a few characters who get written off as a divorced bad father, or a depressed hermit. And the last to die, died before they could write her death scene.
It was hyperspace as a weapon for me.
I just came across this video, and this was amazing. I have personal friends who either worked on or were in the Disney trilogy, and I still hate it for all the reasons you described and more.
The problem with this video is that Michael sits on the fence and doesn't tell us what he really thinks ;-) On a serious note: well presented & argued. Good explanation of why some Star Wars fans have problems with the 3 sequels.
The people who like sequels are not the mainstream Star Wars Fanbase. They are in the minority. I also hate the argument that "you don't get the movie".
And they follow with, the EU was never Canon so pls move along.
Also I watch some of the behind the filming scenes where George Lucas had around 18 people working over script dialog for three hours just to try to keep the cost of filming down to a single 3 to 5 minutes screen shot.
GL may had Creative Ownership of Intellectual Property, but Star Wars as we seen it was not His baby alone.
The later 1990's novel shown what kind of Life it took on its own.
If you couldn't understand the movie I'd be questioning your ability to go to and from the theater without hurting yourself or others.
@@stingywingy1607 Well it is hard to understand when they don't include key plot points in the freaking movies. This is Star Wars not a modern art piece. It shouldn't be hard to understand what is going on.
@@emberfist8347 True, buts its pretty clear they were made with no plan and by people who don't understand or care about star wars.
The sequel trilogy was great! Remember when Thrawn rebuilt the broken empire. Such great storytelling.
There was some of Heir to the Empire in Rise. The character of Pryde was very Thrawn like as a character.
Meanwhile in Disney canon... Thrawn was defeated by Space Whales.
@@davfree9732 Ugh thats why I didnt watch.
Remember when Rogue squadron defeated a planet's defenses all by themselves so they could liberate it from the Empire? That was awesome!!!
@@RoTenken Remember when a small squad of Stormtroopers witness War Atrocities, fled the empire and became a group of mercenary Justicars who through coincidence ended up working alongside Luke and Han and Leia and Chewwie AND Mara Jade to find a traitor in the empire amassing wealth and power and installing puppet governments with pirates and thugs and all the while survive inquisition from Vader on Jades personal request because they were just that good at the job so she lets them off the hook?
Seriously Allegiance is a really good book, most of Zahns books are great like the Thrawn stuff but for a stand-alone that was super fun.
If canon is overrated then who the hell is Kylo Ren?
Disney Bot: "What? Didn't you see the first two movies? They explain who he is right there!"
Yes, but that's canon and you said canon is overrated.
“Don’t overthink it”.... the first and last requirement to tolerating any woke-inspired betrayal of canon source material.
“Be friends with someone who has a different opinion than me? Never!”
-Every mindless corporate/political slave ever
Very Soviet stylized thinking. Wall Street learned a great deal from the KGB it seems
The Thrawn trilogy will always be the true sequel trilogy. Also, this rant is legendary.
I'm assuming you are referring to the old Thrawn trilogy and not the new series of Thrawn novels cuz the later happens prior to the original trilogy...
TheKazz Yes, Legends Thrawn.
I kind of want a Thrawn solo movie, ngl
First star wars books I ever read. Still the best I ever read.
The new thrawn trilogy i see as a "prequel " trilogy for thrawn. Pretty gd.
@@kailaine3974 for now I just want Disney to move away from the Skywalker Saga and start making movies in a completely different era so they can no longer rely on sentimental value and nostalgia and are actually forced to write a decent story. Yeah a Thrawn movie would be cool but just as a result of it's proximity in time to the other movies it lets them be lazy.
The Star Wars triologies can be compared to restaurants.
Episode 4 is like the newly opened 5 star restaurant that does not have the best interior due to low budget, but the food is top notch.
Episode 5 is like Eposide 4 - a five star resaurant, but this time they have perfected it, and with a better budget, not only is the food better but so is the interior and everything. Management had time and money to spend on the experience.
Episode 6 is also like a 5 star restaurant. But now all of a sudden, want to attract more famileis, not just adults, they want to tattract more kids and have more kid menues. Still the food is awesome, top notch.
Episode 1 is like a buffet with special focus on families. There is bits and pieces of the food or the dessert that people like, but in general it is the kids that like the food the most.
Episode 2 is like a buffet mainly focusing on attracting romantic couples. Yet there are always things that others will like... after all, it is a buffet.
Episode 3 is like the perfect buffet, sure it aint a 5 star restaurant type of top notch high quality food. But most things in the buffet tastes great. Gone are most kid and romantic atmoshperes.
Episode 7 is like the McDonalds restaurants. Everything is standardized, and trying to apease all customers, it is cheap food,put together by a huge corporation trying to convice us we are the best burger place in town.
Episode 8 is like going to McDonalds, only being served a vego meal with beans, a green sallad with that and a just luke warm still water to drink, with staff trying to convince you that it is all great food and if you don't like it it is shaming you for liking to eat meat and being unhealthy for wanting a coke to drink with the french fries
Episode 9 - Here management realized how much they detracted their customers in their previous restaurant, so they feel the need to lure them back by only offering menues with tripple burgers with extra sauce and 8 slices cheese on each burger along with a Triple X large fries and two litres of coke to every meal. Too much too forced to apease, and it is still a very corporate restaurant
The only memorable and objectively good things to come out of Disney’s “ownership” of Lucasfilm is Rogue One, and Mandalorian