Why Finland Joining NATO Checkmates Russia
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#finland
"Sweden has allways fought to last finnish " Old finnish saying 😊
*The last finn,,,
No. Sweden has not been under the control of Russia, as Finland was.
😮 I thought because Finland belonged to Sweden then Sweden lost Finland
I’m stupid sorry 😢
@@GIOBOZZ Finland belong to Sweden, before that shit come in our country 🇫🇮❤️
@@GIOBOZZ I mean... In a sense Russia did occupy Swedish land, and then took it. What I meant is that Sweden has never been fully owned/under the control of Russia like Finland was. Nothing to be sorry about 😁
@@GIOBOZZ Yes, Sweden lost us to Russia. But Finland was always Finland, independent or not. We were not Sweden, we were under Swedish rule, part of Swedish Kingdom. But this territory was already back then named Finland. With our own language and tribes. Sweden itself was never under Russian rule.
@@GIOBOZZ If i remember correctly Sweden had been something of a military powerhouse in Europe for a while back then. They just gave up on their claim to rule and more importantly tax the Finns.
Russia has never owned what is now Sweden. Hold on to your hat - Sweden has not only owned Finland and Norway, but also owned that bit of the Russian coast towards the Bothnian Sea, as well as Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and parts of what is now Germany. Sweden has been a real great power.
... and Sweden invaded and took Moscow.
Let's wait for the Great Finland to emerge once and for all. We were so close once...
No, simply no.
Technically, it wasn't "Sweden" that owned Norway. Just as "Russia" didn't own the grand duchy of Finland. It was shared heads of state, otherwise both Finland and Norway was separate entities of themselves with their own economy, institutions and governement.
Even if Finland would agreed Soviet demands to move border with that first suggestion, Stalin would have still invade the Finland. that demand would have taken all the defensive positions from Finland; the Mannerheim Line, therefore Finland would have been easier to conquer. Thankfully Finnish goverment saw that danger and declined their demands..
31:20 I’d like to add to this also like you said. Finland has a definition of policy to defend at all costs, but aggression/attacking is not something that’s going to happen. It’s on the name even - The Finnish Defence Forces. Also, FDF has done joint military training long before these times with America(and others). Even when I was in service back in 2013, we had American troops training with us in the unit I’m in. So it’s unlikely to have American mil bases built in here. Garrisons that have been here since long time ago are more than suitable. Still.. **knocks on wood**
Yeah i mean who knows what happens in future.... i know your comment is couple months old but someone said in news that china will be in war with USA by 2025 tho that could be bullshit and prolly russia would be allied with em hell even US might attack finland to get our borders xD
yup, Finland might allow other NATO troops on their land if a war breaks out though
Battle morale will always be most defining thing to decide who wins - other side is fighting for existence, other side doesn't quite know why they are there.
I'm so happy to see your views of living near Russia, as an American. I'm Finnish, obviously, and I've been following you here on youtube and on instagram for a while. I must say, you have opened my eyes of how safe our Country is, and how accepting we usually are. I've loved seeing you having fun and enjoying yourself here in this Country! I wish you all the best, and if you come to Keski-Suomi, let me know if you want to, I'd like to see you in person and give you a big hug! You seem like a truly nice person! Keep up the good work! Much love!
You're right about Finland wanting to join Nato more than Sweden. Nato-support had gone up in Sweden as well but they had a pretty long tradition of neutralism so it wasn't as big as Finland. They still tagged along probably because Finnish politicians believed Sweden should join along with Finland so they had extensive talks at the beginning of the year.
I dont know Swedens numbers but 6months prior the Russian invasion of Ukraine Finlands numbers for pro NATO were around 20%. After the russian invasion it rose? rise rose? lol.. to 80 or something very quickly. Swedens NATO support didnt rise as fast and thats understandable since they dont border Russia and Finland is a good buffer
@@spoonzor1 bullshit only mainstream media gallup
Swedish didn’t know that they were going to join the Nato. It is nice that our (🇫🇮) President and the PM told them at some point 😉🤭 Now we just need to Finnish that 🥳 They are not in yet. 🙄
Also one correction of the video you reacted to. They said Finland assisted Germany in the siege of Leningrad, which in reality did not happen. Once the Finnish soldiers got to the old borders the Commander-in-Chief Mannerheim ordered the troops not to move any closer, even though H*tler & co. urged them to.
We also werent in treaty with N Germany, until start of continuation war, at winter war soviets and nazies were allies.
Finns did not attack directly to Leningrad but they sure surrounded partly of it making supplying it harder.
@@freezedeve3119 Well... Finns stood at their border. What else should one do?
@@RoyalMela Well, they could like... *not* attack?
@@SteamboatW Finns could've not invaded Finland? I think you got this a bit mixed up.
The reason we are so willing to defend our country is because we have got the most to lose. From one of the happiest countries on earth to under the totalitarian regime of Russia. Not appetizing.
And by the way, if Finland joins the NATO US troops will be able to train on Finnish territory.
Willing to defend our country also comes from that for example I have my grandad who is still alive 100 years old who fought in the war ... telling the stories and how he wounded etc... that affects people
@@Juikka82 Well, true. I have my grandad who was active military all his life (retired as Lieutenant Colonel of the Pioneer Arm). He got hit by a bullet/fragment through his head, lost hearing in his other ear and became 'white-haired' overnight when leading the clearing of the mine fields post-war (as evidenced in some memoires). I presume, given he was stationed all over the country post-war that he was one of the people behind the design of how to blow bridges etc.
@@Juikka82 Wow, he is still alive. Lucky you! Please, tell him how much his sacrifice is appreciated. 🤩
Thanks for reaction!
Main reason why Sweden was so badly beaten by Russia in Finland in 1808 was that they were also fighting the Danish and Norwegians who were allied with Napoleon. Because those forces directly threatened the Sweden proper they had to put most manpower on that front and the Eastern front got what was left. Never since has a country again faced a sound defeat by having too many active fronts. Just saying... 😏
Wow 😯
also the finnish kind of invited the russians to indave, in tho hope they will treat the finns better than the swedish (swedish rule was terrible)
@@tormendor8585 No we did not. The russians has allways been our problem..
@@anssivaharautio8281 opiskele sitä historiaa ennenkö tuut sanoo
Most of these videos seem to forget that Estonia exists and is just as close to St. Petersburg as Finland is. So NATO has long been breathing down on St. Petersburg. Like the video did explain tho, Finland is easier to attack from than Estonia. But Nato isn't getting any closer to St. Petersburg when Finland joins.
Estonian cheap beer good
Really likeey
Yeah but the baltics are very hard to defend without finland and sweden because they can easily get surrounded
@@jamesgiles4517 Finland will always protect them. If russia or belarus attacks. Finland will do something and it will not be something little. And Sweden comes too, for sure.
Baltic countries defensen are far worse than filand aloune!
We need to help baltic countrys if nato russian war come. We don't qlmost anythibg from weak estonian army!
Finnish border is not hard to defend. Easy to defend. Hard to attack.
The difficulty is more pertinent to Russia, given the possibility of an attack from Finland cutting the supplies to the Kola Peninsula and the Russian nuclear deterrent. Finland has but wilderness in the East and North of Finland.
The veterans, the few specialists still living would probably disagree with you, enough Finns died and wounded doing their best last time, and we know how that ended. It's not easy to defend. Nevertheless, the border was and will be defended if needed. The problem, though, is that there is a heck of a lot of it for a small country like Finland.
@@samhartford8677 Now hang on. A couple of weeks ago when last I checked, there was the same tarry and sinewy people living there which gained reputation back in the history as "stubborn and un-co-operative" subjects of the Emperor...
@@jarkkojuntunen5506 When i say easy to defend, i refer to the terrain. Very few roads, easy to perform motti. Hell of a lot forest and changing terrain: lakes, swamps, hills and streams. Very different to attack such terrain than to defend it.
@@jarkkojuntunen5506 But then again, for conquest Helsinki is technically the goal when it comes for shutting down trade routes, considering important imports and exports are send out either airborne or through sea. Of course nowadays technology has changed the face of war and it could prove really difficult for defence.
If you want to understand why finns distrusted the russian, look up the finnish YT documentary "Isoviha". It means in finnish the great wrath. It haves english subtitles but its over an 1h long. But the history are horrendous. The russian almost killed of the finns during the years 1714-21.
Awesome Work Bro, Thanks 👍👍👍 Greetings from Helsinki, Finland 🇫🇮🇺🇸🇫🇮🇺🇸🇫🇮🇺🇸
8:50 in that time period USSR was allied with Nazi Germany. Not Finland.
No they werent it was hitlers plan from the begining to tek russians think that germany is their friend so they can make plans for operation barbarossa, and get help from Finland
USSR was NOT allied with Nazi Germany. It's a lie in misinterpretation. An alliance obliges the parties to protect each other in the event of an attack by a third party or to help each other in the event of an attack on a third party. Germany and the USSR signed a non-aggression pact, i.e. pledged not to take hostile action against each other. The division of Poland into occupation zones tho according to the secret protocol to the pact cannot be called an agression of allied nations, there weren't allied. The actions of the USSR during this period of time must be taken without reference to the actions of Germany, both countries were preparing for a big war, the USSR leadership understood their conflict was inevitable and tried to move the buffer zones as far as possible to the West. Stalin had a choice either to give all of Poland to Germany, or to give himself a head start. I would choose the second option too.
Hello! I love Finland ❤ Thank You for Your channel!
Finland has ever wanted nothing more but to live in peace. We do not understand the greed to conquer more landmass.
It's not sad to defend your country for finns. It's in our dna . You serve in military for prox year and most of us proudly.
....and also....Turkey has an election in June. Before the election, Erdogan wants to show his voters how much he has pressured Sweden into submission. If he doesn't succeed in that, he probably at least wants to be able to tell his voters that he hasn't given in. So I would be very surprised if Turkey ratifies our applications before their election.
finland is great country with snow and winter
Finland wasn't occupied by Sweden; it was East Sweden for centuries.
My close one is trying to move to Finland. Does anyone here happen to know any resources on where to start the process and what to do first?
Oh you live in Sodankylä. The name literally means Village of War. How did you end up moving there?
Yes I do
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The name originally comes from a family name Sova.
Sovan kylä.
You should make a video comparing Finnish CZcams ads to American ones. 😅
🤣🤯 are you serious cause I’ll do it
@@GIOBOZZ that would be fun!
Can't we all just get along? 😩
No
We could, if bullies didn't invade foreign territory.
@@AudunWangen there has been conflict in Ukraine for almost a decade and nobody gave a shit. There's a lot of questions being asked as to the timing and the manner of all this. Don't believe everything you hear in the media...... Or maybe your talking about America.
@@Peter-tq9ys I'm talking about both Russia and America, I guess.
It's hard to get along with somebody like Putin.
Finland hasn't make any reservations aganst foreign military bases in Finlands soil like Norway did. On the contrary Finnish PM made it very clear that she doesn't want to tie hands of her successors with that kind of demands in Finlands NATO application. In fact one of the places, depending of Russias behaviour, which might be expanded to a NATO base with also foreign troops is the garrison of Sodankylä.
There's a good reason for that. Having US troops and military aircraft stationed and training so close to the Russian border in peace time is very provocative.
Russia has always tested the limits. They fly airplanes inside Norwegian airspace, hold exercises near the Norwegian border and patrol with submarines and ships as a show of force all the time. It's part of their game, but you're gambling with lives when you openly provoke them.
Also the US, specifically, has not been known for fair play in wars and do much the same as Russia did with Ukraine, to be honest. They started the war both in Vietnam and Iraq on lies and deceit, and tortured and imprisoned people for years without a trial in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. They are also known for using mercenaries killing civilians and intelligence agencies to stage coups in countries they don't agree with politically.
Don't get me wrong. I'm happy Finland and Sweden is joining NATO, and I'm definitely glad Norway is a member. Ukraine will be welcome to join too, when they finally get peace. Russia will have to submit to that one way or another, no matter who leads the country when this is done.
@@AudunWangen Main reason you don't think about is, that if US has small base there. then in case of ruSSian attack it would be overrun, most probably with casualties together with Finns there fore US itself would be attacked and you can clearly know what sort f resolve it would trigger in mainland US - any response justified with full support of congress and the public -> check mate to any RU effort, that is the reason of small contingents of US forces on the border => no Vietnam response which fades, but Pearl Harbour sort of think. ;)
@@AudunWangen also would state that US didn't started Vietnam but CCCP and PLC backed and supplied Ho-chi Minh did, the PLCs motives were to impose larger sphere of influence plus payback for Kim Ir Sens brutal aggressive and bloody attempt in Korea. Need to note that Diem and his corrupt self-interest didn't help situation and population was quite easy to steer against the west after french colonial rule which was quite despotic. 1st Iraqi war was not based on any deception by the west, but by Iraqi sorting their economic situation after debacle in war with Iran by invading Kuwait and the second by threatening what he didn't have others in very nationalistic note (not dissimilar to rasPutins rhetoric in Moscow)
US contractors were in many if not most instances brought to court (not local but their own), compare that to Wagner group members or assassins (Litvinenko and Skripal case in UK, Vrbetice sabotage in CZ, sabotages, and attempted murder in BG) who got heroic welcome and medals by 'ex' KGB president and regime of RF. As know about popular left/anarchist conspiracy sentiment and quite like it in plots of holywood action movie flicks it flatters confronted with the facts or whole picture of the past. have nice day.
@@tomaspisecky4835 What I'm specifically referring to is the alleged attacks on USS Maddox and USS Turner Joy on the 4th of August 1964 in the gulf of Tonkin. These claims were falsified, because there were no attacks. Johnsen used this to get political support for an escalation of the war in Vietnam. This is all well documented and verified.
In the Iraqi war, I'm old enough to have seen the propaganda myself. I remember very well George Bush and his military advisors showing how weapons of mass destruction were moved around using satellite photos. It all seemed very convincing, but all lies off course. They had no evidence Iraq had WMDs or that Saddam Hussain had links to al-Qaeda. Without these lies, I doubt America would get the support they needed to invade. This has led to the destabilization of the entire region, of which it has still not recovered.
@@AudunWangen in Vietnam case the gloves were already off and support for the conflict was fading and the administration fad
in Iraqi case it is known that Sadam regime was threating the region - mainly Israel and Saudis for ages prior so it fit the pattern plus it really was totalitarian kleptocracy destabilising and blocking development of region anyway (due mainly Iraqi-Iranian war and consequent near bankrupcy of Iraq, especially due to lost of soviet support hence end of Sadam by hand of Iraqis themselves) and the region destabilised further as those mutually hateful factions infight among self as the big boss was out and US with allies ended in caught between them - messy without intended result with the power gap filled by Islamic state affiliated to extent with Al Qaeda - therefor confirming their active presence in the region.
On top of that it is irrelevant to UA-RF conflict as it has nothing to do with it and is used en masse by RF propagand for population divide in left leaning circles to distract and justify itself - pattern they use for decades (more since like 40', 50' till today)
Good thing is that we already have our own US special force in Sodankylä.... which is in HIMARS range to Severomorsk. Keep up the good work Gio 👍
good vid!
When Finland decided to apply for Nato membership the minister of defense of Sweden got angry and said to his prime Minister "those dsmned Finns did it and now we have to too!"
00:31 I play chech with my grand mother when she was 90 ! Yes she was skills.
One theory is that Sweden didnt join Nato decades ago because that would had left Finland alone between Nato and the russkies. That would had made Finland more likely target.. and of course in worst case moved theruskie border next to Sweden (so not entirely selfish act by sweden). Not sure how much of its true but kinda makes me like the swedes even more ;)
Also, welcome to Finaland! Last time I watched your vids was like a half a year ago and now youre here, wth man ;D
Thats an intrestings theory as a swede myself I could see that. Maybe Im biased because Im half finnish but I feel like Sweden and Finland has a very special bond way more so than any other nordic country.
@@reypara4897 these days we are closer than ever before, i almost feel like we belong together, Norway, Sweden, and Finland should all watch each others back
Thank you and "hyvää itsenäisyyspäivää 6.12." Happy independece day. Lovely to have you here in Finland❤
The Russian Bolsheviks also supported the Reds in the Finnish civil war (in 1918), in hopes of a successful revolution in Finland which in turn technically would mean "regaining" it.
It is nice that Germany helped the whites then
Cool.
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"FInland had all the cards, manpower, and moreover the will to join Nato, Swedes just wanted to tag along" , Now you have reached the true essence of being a Finn. Accepted 100%
Long live the Republic of Finland. 🇫🇮💪
Well, actually Finland didn't assist so much in siege of Leningrad. Attack was stopped by order of General HQ to the old yr. 1920 border line, in front of Leningrads first defences - except few small line adjustments. Not a single grenade was fired to the city from Finnish fronts, not even to 'The Road of Life', it was strictly forbidden. FAF wasn't allowed to fly in the airspace of 'motti'...
The map of 1808 is incorrect in the video: Russia had already taken the south-eastern parts of Finland in 1721 and 1743, meaning the towns of Vyborg (Viipuri/Viborg), Hamina/Fredrikshamn, Lappeenranta/Villmanstrand and Savonlinna/Nyslott were no longer under Swedish control. The treaty of 1721 is the Treaty of Nystad (Uusikaupunki in Finnish) and of 1743 is the Treaty of Åbo (Turku in Finnish).
Also the map of 1917 (and 1940) is incorrect: Vyborg (Viipuri/Viborg), Karelian Isthmus areas north-west of Lake Ladoga came to belong to Finland, as they had been during the Russian rule a part of the Grand Duchy of Finland.
The map of 1917 is wrong in another way as well: it shows Alaska as belonging to Russia even though it was sold to the US in the mid 1800's.
18:19 I think it's not as much the land, it's your people on that land.
13:04 in Winterwar help 1,700 estonian soldiers defend Finland .
There’s a good old saying around the time of independence. “We are not Swedish, we’ll never become Russian. Let us be Finnish.”
You may find this interesting, about the Soviet invasion of Finland 1939. There is a second episode about that as well. czcams.com/video/aVY-IBJZ9Y0/video.html
Play Finlandia Hymn, that is like unofficial National anthem.
Don’t you dare attack us! We’ll fight forever for independence, freedom, beautiful land and whooping your ass👊🏼
check out Treaty of Rapallo of 1922, German Russian love affair, bit less known than Molotov-Riebentrop later on before they started WW2 together
Also find quite amusing hor ruSSia justifies its actions with NATO expansion when leaving why the main and only reason states want to join - fear of ruSSia caused by and only ruSSia itself. It is like a bully crying he has no friends and justifying being bully thug by that.
About what you thought in the end of the video (as I understood) about US troops to set up permanent bases in the territory of Finland I disagree with. We have been greatly dealing and training with Nato (also US) forces for more than 10 years already. Putin knows and russian military leaders knows that it would be the end for them if they would try to attack Finland. We have a great benefits from the terrain at southeastern Finland for our warfare tactics and actually the main ideology in building the Finnish Defence Forces since the end of the second world war has been that we might not be able to stop russians but we would be able to be so lethal that would make them to think is there any sane for them to try (again).
and US base would make ruSSian attack on Finland basically Pearl Harbour scenario for US public so their resolve and support would be granted and won't fade out easily through propaganda or other means (as far right now in case of UA, would feel attacked itself therefore siding with Finns) Important aspect to think about ;)
"Russia invaded Ukraine" - There is difference between doing and trying.
Yes,Sweden has been contolled by Russia. Russia had a third of Sweden 1809.
I know this bc im born in sweden.
And Kinda of history nerd.
Important to remember is that there's been a first line of defence in force for Finland since 2009 as it's a member of EU; the mutual defence clause as laid out in article 42.7. It states that armed aggression towards any member state should be answered by the other members with all the means in their power. One major difference between that part of the EU treaty and NATO is the US, as Russia doesn't seem to find many things a threat unless the US is somehow involved. Even with the EU, we have often relied on each other. Sweden is fortunate to have Finland nearby, but that means we're very aware of their national security. It's why Sweden's government said that "Finland's business is ours, and ours is theirs" when it came to applying to NATO. In other words; if they go, so do we.
For those interested in one of the most tense moments between Sweden and Russia before we were an EU member, look to the case of U137, the Russian submarine that ran aground on the outskirts of a Swedish military area in 1981. With nuclear warheads on board. :) This link has English subtitles but, fair warning, it's about 1hr 20min long. It's an official Swedish documentary.
czcams.com/video/WdsezCWfRmk/video.html
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A part of the reason (Although not the sole reason) is a lot of Russia is flat land and they've been invaded an insane amount of times so the main defense for them is to extend their borders out as far as possible.
The people they conquer in the process tend to very much dislike the Russians in turn for the atrocities that come with that defensive policy.
As a Finn.... We don't need/want permanent NATO bases on Finnish soil...
Would cause unnecessary friction with Russia ..
We also don't need any American troops to secure territory of Finland ..
NATO radars, early warning systems , missile defense systems etc being exception
Surely there can be exercises with American and NATO troops without permanent bases in Finland. or having America solders permanently in Finland..
(I doubt.. I'm almost 100% sure... that even Americans themselves, wont want to have their troops in Finland)
Security is pretty much the only thing we need
I don't see Finland allowing any foreign troops here.
Russia changed how the map looked so we changed the players checkmate Putin
... and in both wars against the Soviet Union, the Soviets started both.
Im from finland
Sweden today has 2 million soldiers in the reserve, Every Swedish citizen has weapons at home for this mobilization.
That video is wrong at 3:18 min. That is not the reason why Russia has always wanted to get Finland. The reason is that they wanted to get ocean access to the rest of the world through our western and southern coastlines. Both for warfare and export opportunities.
We Swede´s have been in 14 wars with Russia, and we have Won / lost 7 times of those 14 wars.
Your feeling is not wrong, but it is, Sweden have not been "neutral" for 20 years, we have been NATO partners for 20+ years and there for not pure in our neutrality, and Russia nows that. we also had a strong partnership with Finland. much of the defense stratigy in Finland includes Sweden, so it was more like "we had to" not "Tag a long". But 52% of Swedes have wanted to join NATO for a long time anyway. due to we know we are not pure to the neutrality. and not been for a long time.
GIO you are safe in here. I will keep you safe if sh*t goes down. And im sure if the orcs would come over the border you would be allowed to have training and weapons to fight back at them although you originate from the US.
fyi: sodankylä translates village of war
Have somebody told him?
14:18
The creed on Russia is complicated. Russia wanted to control Finland, either indirectly or directly. The creed wasn't as strong back then, but it became far stronger during the rule of Stalin, who massacred karelians that lived under Russia within the mid East down to South. Karelians was a small locale population that lived in Finland and Russia, that had language very similar to finnish language. Since Russia desired ethnic cleansing, karelians like many other minorities like estonians, lithuanians, latvians, polish and ukrainians were massacred as a goal of keeping Russia mostly homogenous population for ethno nationalistic goals. The diplomacy terms that was mentioned from Stalin was after Finland had pushed borderlines almost to the shores of St. Petersburgh. Stalin couldn't get negotiations at all, because Finland was playing time for karelians who spoke finnish on previously Russia occupied area to escape to Finland. Karelians nowadays are mostly spread out in Finland in terms of genetics, but are likely still living somewhere in the East.
So if NATO systematically expands to east and surrounds Russia, so USA will say nothing, if Russia would place their military bases in Kuba, Mexico, Bahamas? If NATO would stopped before, and never surrounded Russia then nothing happened
What purpose is served by someone who doesn't know anything about history, Europe or chess commenting on 'Finland joining NATO checkmates Russia'? It would be like me commenting on a baseball match - I'd just be sitting here saying 'well, a thing happened for a reason I don't really understand, and I don't know whether that matters or not'. CZcams is indeed full of genuine trivia
I'm looking forward to have some those beautiful and wonderful US aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines patrolling the Baltic Sea, backing up our navy as NATO BFFs. Cue in the Top Gun theme song.
8:29 ''Soviet gays'' XD that's hilarious!! No wonder Finns drove them away. They were ahead of the times, leave that problem in the future
But seriously, this video contains information I did not honestle knew. And it all makes sense, holy cow!!
A kind of inside joke in the Nordic countries is that Russia belongs to the Nordic countries (especially Sweden)
(Wikipedia)
[The Rus' people (Old East Slavic: Рѹсь; Modern Belarusian, Russian, Rusyn, and Ukrainian: Русь, romanised: Rus'; Old Norse: Garðar; Greek: Ῥῶς, romanised: Rhos) were an ethnic group in early medieval eastern Europe. The scholarly consensus holds that they were originally Norse people(vikings), mainly originating from present-day Sweden, settling and ruling along the river-routes between the Baltic and the Black Seas from around the 8th to 11th centuries AD. They formed a state known in modern historiography as Kievan Rus', which was initially a multiethnic society where the ruling Norsemen merged and assimilated with East Slavic, Baltic and Finnic tribes, ending up with Old East Slavic as their common language. The elite of Kievan Rus' was still familiar with Old Norse until their assimilation by the second half of the 11th century, and in rural areas vestiges of Norse culture persisted as late as the 14th and early 15th centuries.]
So Ukraine is nordic as well? ;-) Funny though that the Finns still call the Swedes Rus (Ruotsi).
Spirit of Winter War!
American plays checkers we play chess
WE NED FINLAND
15:00 You are actually speaking like some Finish politicans in 1939. "Don't they have enough space already?"
Jos haluat rauhaa varustaudu sotaan !!
Contrary to some I suspect have commented on your take around 6:20 - I won't bash you. It's unfair to expect someone originally from way across the Atlantic to know intimate details of our recent history. The video is incorrect on a key point of WWII and woefully poorly researched in a few others. I'll stick to WWII here, initally.
With regards to Sweden's official stance in regards to the Winter War+Continuation War (Germany+Finland v Soviet Union) Sweden declared itself not NEUTRAL but, "Not actively participating in hostilities".
What did we do in fact do, though? Essentially empty our mobilization stockpiles and shipped, flew and drove it over our Northeastern land-border. 9500 volunteers were by some happenstance allowed to be trained up "Just in case" and somehow found their way over the Baltic. Meanwhile on our Western border with Norway anyone able to traverse it attempting to escape the Nazi occupation was welcomed in. And many unlucky Wehrmacht that happened to follow along mysteriously got lost, never to be heard from again. I'd continue, but that'll suffice.
Furthermore, I'll invite you to delve into Sweden during the Cold War, in particular the strategies to be employed in the event of a, then Soviet, amphibian landing attempt across the Baltic.
I won't spoil too much, but I'll tease some by giving away the name of the Strategic Naval Battleplan to be carried out by Swedish Destroyer groups led by the Halland Class accompanied by earlier somewhat less capable vessels.
Metod: Ära
Translation?
Method: Honor
You'll find essentially identical ones for the Airforce, and Land forces.
To sum it up in a sentence - Stay the fuck out or we will wreak such havoc of Biblical proportions upon any and all foreign invaders in a both hilariously and terrifyingly short time that it simply will not be worth your time, resources and dead.
And in the highly unlikely event that someone did enter our borders, land or sea they'd pay for every inch in much the same fashion.
In addition, of course, the partisan activities would inevitably ensue.
Some additional terms - BKan Artillery, A32 Lansen, Arne Beurling (WWII), HMS Orion, Swedish Nuclear Program/and or CBR.
Have a nice day :)
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im pretty sure someone mentioned... this but chess sport,,,, cant help but laugh it is just boardgame not sports
Russia has been allways independent country! Even Alaska was part of Russia untill Americans bought it before gold Rush! And when oil was founded they regret why we sold it! But yeah they miss times when Russia was powerful!
Well, Sweden did participate in wars even after Russia. So that's not true.
S:t Petersburg was built on Swedish territory.... and what you don't see on the map is that what the Soviets wnted was Finlands second largest city and much of Finlands best lands . and compensate with a bit of uninhabitable tundra.
War is for "childrens", narrow-minded and scared individuals, who are perplexed about the beauty of the life and cannot understand it.
I wish humanity would grow-up, and stop the caveman mentality - with modern technology and information technology that would possible and pretty easy to achieve.
But human condition is such that it is anything but easy, tech or no tech.
It is hard to describe, how much i hate Putin and his government. How hard is it to understand, that we only have one earth to live on.
The failures and reverses which await men - and one after another sadden the brow of youth - add a dignity to the prospect of human life, which no Arcadian success would do.
Saint Petersburg is built on former Swedish territory. After Russia invaded Finland in 1939 Russia kept some Finnish territory (Karelia). Look at film of the city of Vyborg to see the difference of life under Finnish rule and now ~76 years under Russian rule. Finland would ask for Karelia back but with it would come 500,000 Russians. Finland could not afford to absorb half a million mendicants into its 5 million population.
Look at the war in Ukraine, Russia has no chance of conquering Finland, even Putin is not that crazy. They know that we are ready.
Im good with 7.62mm. Not checker game.
Wanna try me?
i was just wondering, if you are Finnish now, should you not to go to the Army Now... Bun intended =)
Russia is checkmated
Thanks mate! Maybe now you will understand why we have always hated the Russians, and nothing is going to change that!! The Finnish "neutrality" had also practical aspects, as Russia been the most important trading partner back then. The Finnish artillery could wipe "the Putin" City out of the map like in couple of days. The most important factor in the artillery is, that it is a mobile artillery. So they can change their position very quickly. And as you know, Finland is nothing but deep, tense, dark and "difficult" forests and Lakes and Wet Lands. 80% forest, 30% Water and what not. And bunkers to every citizens. So welcome Mr. "Balloon Head" (Ras)Putin🤣😂😁
Nice one "So welcome Mr. "Balloon Head" (Ras)Putin"! LOOOL
Pappa, stop living in the past and focus doing something productive for humankind. War is never an answer, it just keeps humanity in limbo, slaved and stupid.
Everyone should expand their thinking and ponder more, what is to be human and where we wanna go as a species. System needs to change. We don't need politicians or any powerful leaders, they are the most useless people in the planet Earth and easily replaced with better system.
At this point in time, one would assume that you would have better knowledge about how the Ukraine-thing has happened and where it stands now. Is this the maximum of common US-citizens understanding of current affairs? SCARY!
like infantry general Adolf Ehrnrooth says after Winterwar, "never again alone". Now we have NATO and time for that we have England and US protection
My brother you don't know anything about the reason why our language were divided.
America is the reason why people are surfing in the world.
America is taking our resource.
The original video didn't age well, or should i say the end part of it. We allowed nukes in our soil few weeks ago. Not that we are going to get our own but others can use them from here. If my memory serves, our government said "there are no point in limiting our selves as what we can and can't do in NATO".
Not limiting ourselves just means we decide. Noone can push them here against our ok. OK has not been given.
@@meomarte Naturally ☺️
Finland was selfruling east side of Sweden. Sweden founded Russia and Ukraine via the vikings. Russia has been under Swedens boot but never the other way around. Russia tried to enter Sweden at that time and the last russian killed was actually just outside my hometown. Russia stood no chance in advancing to Sweden and has had.
You are a bit wrong in your conclusion! Sweden lost Finland to Russia, about 200 years ago!
06:15 Let me preface this by saying that I hold you in high regard, and that I am merely excited at the "potential" of this fictional, objective scenario! Ok?
IF Sweden doesn't join NATO together with Finland, that would practically GIVE INCENTIVE to Russia to conquer Sweden in order to retain control over the ports in the Baltic sea - it would separate Finland from the rest of the alliance (beyond the frozen border in the northern north)(strategically, this could be catastrophic for the NATO, as Finland would become needlessly difficult to protect, and defend (and then there's the complications to the logistics)), and allow Russia to contest control over the entirety of the Baltic sea (only in theory, but the numbers, Mason, what do they mean)..! ... My good Sir, have you stopped to count the number of NATO countries that have ports in the Baltic sea? Imagine now, that Russia would have to ceed landmass back to Finland to restore the former borders to the way they were before the Russian invasion of Finland..! Why not force their hand on Kaliningrad while you are at by closing the borders of all NATO allies to Russian personell and equipment, thus forcing Russia to ship personell and equipment through the Arctic circle..? ... Yes, there would be war (prolly nukes since the existence of "Russia the pitiful" would be threatened), but Russia cares more about their egos and "pocket money" than the lives of their taxpayers, let alone the taxpayers of foreign ("hostile") nations..!
Maybe I'm crazy, but I might argue against that..! 😅🤣
Well, theres nothing wrong in though and what ifs. Sweden is extremely hard to separate, since that would need to be done either via sea or air. Swedish forces are offset to just those (meaning Swedens focus is mainly navy and air force). Finnish focus on other hand is manpower with jaegers (infantry) and artillery. Not to mention I think us Nordics would go above and beyond what Poland is doing for Ukraine, there would probably be high number of volunteers from Nordics that isn't facing an attack if they do not join the war out right (still got my suspicions about Swedens government lifting their fingers thanks to winter war). Well, in case of Finland and Norway being in NATO and Sweden being neutral, I guess it would be Norways and Finlands turn to shelter Swedish families and sign up as volunteers while governments nudge their shoulders.
I also doubt Russia would ever ceed any territory back, and Finland hasn't pursued the issue either to this day (Russia hasn't exactly taken good care of that territory).
You should understand that no county is so simple as to have just one way of thinking or opinion, or willpower.
Such away of thinking of countries as if they where individual beings with single mind or will is just false and misleading.
Countries are organization with complex administration and decision making processes. Talking about willpower in this context is not really a useful description of the state of affairs.
I meant the will power of the leaders not the country
Meaning dictators
Not sure if I was understood and I doubt I explained clearly what I meant
@@GIOBOZZ
Are you making a claim that Sweden isn't a democratic country and has dictator or just political leadership, which makes decisions about everything. That could be understandable, since you come from a almost failed democracy, USA.
@@just42tube Was that end statement necessary in any way? All countries have their flaws, for Sweden its their immigration and prevention of organized crime.
@@Jahvec why do you write about things which had nothing to do with my comment, which was against the way of presenting countries as if they where individuals.
But sure, all countries have their challenges and people have all kinds of ideas and opinions of what is wrong or bad in those countries or in their politics.
@@Jahvec
You asked if it was necessary.
It is a old rhetorical trick to mislead people to think about countries and politics with emotionally loaded images.
It is indeed important to push against such rhetoric and try to bring the discussion to more factual base talking about what countries and their decision making processes really are like.
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