Marine reacts to Why Finland Joining NATO Checkmates Russia
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If you don't want your neighbors joining a defensive alliance, STOP INVADING YOUR NEIGHBORS!
I don't think Russian politicians can deal with logic that advanced...
Such as Ukraine. And Ukraine. And Georgia, ruled back in that time by guy considered a war criminal even by his citizens.
@@SonsOfLorgar Russian thinking defies most conventional logic but they don't seem to realize that they creating a self fulfilling prophecy they invade to prevent nations from joining NATO only to create the conditions to do just that.
@@user-ig8ew8qz8n the actual history or the Russian nationalist fiction?
@@user-ig8ew8qz8n Moi trolli, juo kuravettä.
Love Finland 🇫🇮 from Canada 🇨🇦 ❤
Canada sent its love, by being the first nation in NATO to ratify accepting Sweden and Finland into NATO.
Stay safe, stay sane, stay strong Ukraine 🇺🇦
Love Canada 🇨🇦 from 🇫🇮 ❤️.
Beloved Canadians were there to sign that damn paper first. No words for how highly I appreciate it. I salute Canada.
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Same here love from Montréal!
Love to Canada, our North American sibling, from Finland! 🇨🇦❤️🇫🇮
It's crazy to think how capable Finland is. Like US Senator Tom Cotton has said: "Finland has one of the strongest artillery forces in Europe, with more rocket launchers and howitzers than France, Germany, or the United Kingdom. Finland’s reserves are larger than the reserves of France, Germany, and Italy-combined. Finland owns more combat tanks than Germany."
But we still need more.. tanks and rockets. And we would with pleasure welcome some more new fighter planes if someone is willing to donate some. We have bought all we can affort, but not all that we'd need.
Our reserves are large, but pray God or any ghost like them we never need to use them. Our large reserve means our own dear sons, practically civilians in uniform (with an excellent military training & hi-tech equipment, however).
Be sure that we'd change places with Sweden any time, our relatively massive flesh and blood infantry to a machine-based, lo-human air force and navy.
It would be different if the Finnish and Swedish infantries were joined as a mutual conscription army, not like Swedes expecting Finns to spill blood for both of us.
1 nuke and finland is finISHED
@@515coldfire That's tricky... gonna be some damn big nuke to do that... like one that finishes Florida peninsula and Georgia in the US or whoile Sahalin of Russia... And if it would come from Russia it would be britty damn move, since it would mean bye bye St. Petersburg too... ;)
A comment from Swede here. I live on Gotland, the island mentioned in the video. When the Swedish military downsized it's presence here in the mid 2000's, a lot of people worried about the consequences leaving us practically defenseless. Especially with the construction of Nord Stream 1, which runs very close to the coast of Gotland. After Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 however, Sweden woke up and started militarizing Gotland again. With Sweden and Finland joining NATO, finally we might get the military presence needed to keep the Russians away.
Greetings from Finland. As a finnish marine, I think I need to come and visit your beautiful island in summer, not just to check how to defend it, but to enjoy a family holiday there.
@@nordicgunpowder Finns are always welcome on Gotland, anytime of the year. Both in and out of uniform.
yeah its good you are finally taking some responsibility after two world wars and cold war
@@chewiechewbacca142 If you want the Russian narrative, it's not hard to find here on CZcams. It's Russia's neighbors that have been ignored for a long time, warning about this country's imperialist ambitions. With Sweden and Finland joining NATO, this is going to be much less of a problem in the Baltic area at least.
@@alphazero6571 I'm not going to going to defend Swedish neutrality, because there's no such thing as neutrality with Russia.
That said, Sweden has been a part of several UN peacekeeping missions in places like Bosnia, Mali and Congo. So out of respect for our blue berets who served overseas and has cleaned up other's mess for 70 years now; F*ck off.
As president Niinistö said: "you caused this - look at the mirror"
Sweden has seriously top notch sensors and radars they have deployed. Saab is WAY up there in sensor development, actually world-leading in some cases.
And boom 100 megatons explode in fu#ing Sweden. Russia can erase Nor Swe Fin, whole Europe in 5 minutes from clicking a Button. Watch your mouth when you talk about a nation that can erase your family kiddo.
They also have stealth ships and other toys.
Finland actually didn't really help in the "Siege of Leningrad". The army pushed to the old border on the Karelian isthmus, but the leader of the military (Field Marhsal C.G.E. Mannerheim) ordered them not to push any further and help in the siege.
It still meant the Soviets couldn't resupply Leningrad though "former Finnish territory".
Lie
@@Neosapiant who are you talking too
@@chugachuga9242 Anyone who can read this. For some reason, people tend to believe such comments, especially when they are tagged by the author of the channel. Which in history, judging by his reactions, does not understand at all. The Finns captured Petrazavodsk during World War II, which is not very close to the Manerheim line. You build your judgments on lies, therefore you are mistaken in your conclusions. Why deceive yourself?
Yes, agree. The Finns took back their own territory on the Karelian isthmus, which kind of cut off one possible way for the Russians to supply Leningrad. But that was not done by the Finns to cut Leningrad off, they just took back what was theirs. The Finns never tried to lay Leningrad under siege. Just don't build a large city in such a stupid place, close to the border with a neighbor, and then blame your neighbor for being too close to your city. Duh!
it is strange how these history documents always skips Lapland War where Finland fought against Nazis and Nazis burned basically whole Lapland. You should check that too.
Yes, and Åland also. Åland is demilitarised but still a part of Finland.
I don't blame them. Soviet ordered Finland to betray their ally and attack them. It's a disgraceful moment in our history.
Yes, after we betrayed them in a very dire situation. Should we really have expected Germany to be happy after a backstab like that?
@@Orangnus I suppose they could've just left, with their feelings hurt.
@@VakieF1 There was a lot more going on there than feelings being hurt, it was a fight to the death between two huge nations, that Germany was already not doing well in.
81 years Finnish Defence force has been training war against one enemy only. Last time we were not prepared and hopefully next time never comes.
I live in Finland and I'm only 13, but it scares me that if there's a war between us and Russia, it's pretty scary, but I know that Finland can defend itself
Enlist in the conscription when you turn 18(i take it you are a female from your name) and you and I will be in a better spot
@@allu3853yes, I'm a woman or, well, still a girl:,D
You are 13 years old and part of a generation that has access to an extreme amount of information at the tip of your fingers. It's good to stay informed but even adults get caught in toxic and stressful behavior, constantly feeding themselves with updates on catastrophe and war.
If you have an adult relative or friend that you trust, discuss these matters with them instead. Express your concerns to them.
Also, don't listen to people on CZcams. Looking at you comment you already feel more mature than most people on here.
Take care!
Im sorry but when (soon) there will be a war between nato(finland) - you will evaporate :)
Russia won't dare to step a single foot inside Finland now.
We have something thats called Total Defense Duty here in Sweden, and it means that everyone between 16 to 70 can be called in and help out in various situations such as medical and defending Sweden in front line. Everybody has to contribute.
If it's anything like here in the US, we have that as well. But, only 2 percent of the population is capable, the rest are unfit, unhealthy, can't figure out what gender they are, ect...so it's pointless
Isnt' that commonly the case for any country in war? Some countries limit the duties for example for women (which is obviously controversial in modern times of equal rights) or religious people.
But even those groups might than be obligated to help in other ways than bearing arms.
So wait till the Cowboys are telling you when the time has come.
@@Temo990yeah most countries have some type of conscription in times of dire emergency.
I just found out North Korea is mandatory for 10 ENTIRE YEARS of military service.
You'll join nato as well i think. Just a matter of time. Which adds even more defence.
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I've been supporter of Finland's Nato membership already almost 10 years now and it's frustrating we didn't apply earlier. Also for me the Nato membership is more about joining sides with Denmark, Norway, Poland, UK, Germany and other western nations rather than just looking for that US power.
If you think about it, after the Ukrainians didn't agree to the Minsk agreement and applied to NATO, it's good that our public opinion to join didn't change until Feb. '22.
I was reading GI Joe comics (labeled Action Force in Finland) as a kid in the late 80's and been pro NATO since. But truth to be told we have had few windows and we missed/deliberately bypassed them to join the treaty. The obvious one early nineties when USSR collapsed and between the 2004 Istanbul summit and the 2006 Riga summit when the Baltic states joined. It took this long to open our eyes collectively to see and understand that Russia hasn't changed in a millennia.
@@yeaboyyy4412 If the major parties, including SDP and Keskusta (Kokoomus has already been pro-NATO), had started to support NATO and began working for it, we could have joined at any time since the 90's. In the end, 50% of Finns were just following the "public" opinion, which had been majorly against joining. If there had been campaigns by all the significant parties, the public opinion would have quickly changed, especially since there were earlier incidents all the way back to Chechnya.
I myself have loved that US power since the day I was born (1967) through Disney films and comics, then adult uncensored flicks & TV (All In The Family, Columbo, Married With Children, South Park), MTV, media and video games. Still do as 55.
Yes, but it would be too much of a betrayal and a miscalculation to join without Sweden. I really hope that doesn't happen.
I think especially the Murmansk / Kola peninsula is one of the reasons why the Finnish Air Force were cleared for the JASSM missiles for our F/A-18 Hornets. It is as much a defensive weapon as a long range strike asset that makes the eastern neighbour think twice.
don't we already have JASSMs though?
@@MicheleFerrariAX I think so, and he IS speaking about the F18's, not F35's. It's not given that every country will receive every possible weapon for the equipment it buys, but the reason he mentioned might have played a role why we WERE given the permission to buy JASSM.
@@Garbox80 thought you meant the new batch that we were cleared to buy 🙂
@@MicheleFerrariAX the new patch was jassm-er with longer range? Those were included in f35 deal.
JASSM was part of MLU2 upgrade for F/A-18 "...JASSM is just as much a deterrent capability, as it is a strike capability. It makes the enemy pause and think twice about aggressive action, because it provides precision strike of a wide range of valuable targets." - Senior Finnish official...
7:39 almost all of these kinds of videos don't mention that one of the demands was to destroy ALL defensive fortifications on the Soviet border. That was one of the biggest reasons why Finns were reluctant. There were others as well, but it wsnt about just small piece of territory.
Very true the demolition of all defensive structures and giving the naval base to Russia would have left Finnland in a very vulnerable place. They would have been in a very weak position in any negotiations when the russians wanted even more and would have made a defense of the country nearly impossible. No sane country would accept such conditions.
And the fate of the Baltic countries confirmed that Finland's actions were the correct ones. After the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was revealed in history, it's no longer debateable. War was the only thing on the menu regardless of Finland's actions.
@@EggwardEgghands absolutely. They wouldn’t have been satisfied even after Finnland would have complied with their demands. It did quite a bit of reading on this topic since my grandmother was from Koivisto (Karelia) and i wanted to better understand my familys history.
The amount of missing information and what information is missing makes me thing of the possibility of a deep fake video. Good to think that the history narrative given in the video whose interests does it fit. 🤔 Also I remember that when the video came out it was on trending page after two to four days of release. Usually geopolitical videos about Finland don't get millions of views just in few days.
Deep fake videos are made by professionals. They have good visual effects, voice acting and use brilliantly facts to make the narrative or false information sound legit.
In the end I had highly recommend never to learn anything from these visual videos on youtube like many masters of their field says they are most likely full of shit.
@@sampov8498 Not sure what you mean by 'deep fake'. It was uploaded on the channel and the voice is the same as in his other videos. Propaganda, maybe, but deep fake? Seems unlikely.
The reason finland rejected soviet demands was that they wanted a military base in hanko so they could invade the rest of the country. The baltic states were invaded with such military bases
And they had totally destroyed the most beautiful city in Finland.
While it's true that Finland wanted the lost area back, the interim peace between the Winter and Continuation Wars wasn't a good period either. The tensions were very high. The Soviet Union, for example, shot down a Finnish civilian airplane just to be able to acquire the diplomatic papers aboard (including American diplomatic papers carried by an American person). Nobody in Finland could genuinely believe nothing would happen anymore when the larger war in Europe was only getting worse.
Finland was in cooperation with Nazi Germany even before the start of the conflict, they even had Nazi symbols in their army until a few years ago. Because of this, the Soviets did not have much choice, because they were preparing for a large German invasion. What was really happening during the Cold War, the Finnish propaganda transformed to its advantage, because all the time it secretly supported the American spies, who had the task of destroying the Soviet Union.
Absolutely spot on
@@kosarkosar7683 Finland's army used the swastika long before Nazi Germany and it had nothing to do with fascist ideology.
@@Azdroc96 The swastika was brought to the Finnish Air Force by a Finn who trained in Germany.
@@kosarkosar7683 Who was that soldier?
“The first aircraft of the Finnish Air Force, a Thulin Typ D reconnaissance aircraft, was donated by [Swedish count] Eric von Rosen in 1918,”
“He had painted his personal symbol of luck, a blue swastika, on the wings of the aircraft.”
that picture that you looked at with the big helmet and lose chin strap is from my platoon hahaha
A small correction. Finland actually refused to take part of the siege of Leningrad. Despite requests by Germany, Finland did not continue the attack to close the siege but stopped at the old border.
@Kuriver Every Russian you will find in english YT comments is an PAID RUSSIAN GOV DESANT.
Average russian do not have language skills to frequent here.
Indeed. It is calculated that the finnish refusal to close the siege is what "saved" the people of Leningrad from the fate of Stalingrad. That is, starvation and almost total destruction.
@@Makapaa In Leningrad, 650 thousand out of 3 million died of starvation
@@stepanfedorov561 Indeed. And way more would have starved or frozen if Finns would have agreed to entirely close up the corridor towards and over Ladoga.
@@Makapaa Finland was shelling Leningrad with artillery. Finlands war doctrine about Leningrad was complete destruction of city. Also Finland was shelling safe road at Ladoga. Finland wasn't letting out refugees from cities. Finland organized most cruel concentration camps with death rate 85%, where was sending all Russian on controlled area including children. Don't act that Finland was innocent white and fluffy. Finish nazis were one of the worst.
Finland and Sweden-unlike too many of our European allies-are putting their money where their mouths are when it comes to their defense.
@Imperator Hmmph. Finland have kept its defence capabilities. Sweden not. They will come to NATO as we dragged them with us. In security policy Sweden is subject of Finland, as we are between them and evil.
Lol.... They put their money into warcriminal's pockets...
First create the boogie Man and then offer "solution"
Destroy all arms to sell new ones. Destroy pipeline and shut down power stations to sell 3 times more expensive oil and gas.
99.9991% are brain-dead slaves.
More than Germany and France? Until Europe creates its own common European army, it will remain a US puppet. Although it may suit Europe ... A slave needs a master, and a master needs a slave.
it's because they werent in NATO and were neutral like Switzerland
@@poldiklapzuba9898 They also have a very close ticking time bomb right next door. The other european countries not only have the baltic and ex-soviet countries as a buffer, but they also were a part of NATO which combined their forces. Finland & Sweden had the choice of either sitting on their hands ignoring the problem and waiting for the bomb to explode in their face unprepared while hoping for the best, or to prepare themselves to defend against the inevitable explosion to give themselves the highest chance of survival. Both couldn't make any big moves out of fear of accelerating the timer, but that didn't mean they needed to sit still either.
Man it's so nice to watch a youtuber who's just genuine.
About the R21 highway/railway: During the wars between Finland and the Soviets, I know that Finland succesfully sabotaged a railway bringing supplies from the north. I assume this is the same railway. These days one could propably just fire some MLRS from a distance to destroy the railway.
There was some sabotage, but Mannerheim halted any harm doing for Murmansk railroad at the end, when US made it straight with other allied countries / attack towards em. It is actually good example how Finland had to make weird compromises just not to get into war with US and UK, as allie of Nazi Germany (as it was.). Trough that railway flooded A LOT of stuff to eastern fronts of WW2, and western countries told to Finland that if Murmansk railroad will be destroyed, would mean allied countries (more than soviets only) start also war with Finland. Our status was already that time more or less weird, as we were allies with Germany, but still not considered fully Axis (though what came to Stalin). Same time when it tried to hang on its life, it had to do a war, where they had to be very difficult what they can actually do and not to do, what comes to crossing with Allied trasports for example.
I think the reason the Russians moved the capital back to Moscow, from St Petersburg, after 1917 was that Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania became independent states back then. So St Petersburg was once again very close to the border, as before 1808.
At least that was one reason, maybe there were other reasons as well.
Indeed, but still St.petersburg is a very important city for Russia, and it's very vulnerable from attacks from Finland, if Russia attacked Finland, they could hurt St.petersburg badly and it would have an significant impact on their economy and many other things, don't take my word for it since i cant even specify why it would hurt them so badly, but i remember from reading many different articles and different videos on the subject, since i dont have a good source i should maybe shut up, but it also makes sense since St. peterburg is so close to Finland, a few well places strikes and you cant hurt infrastructure that is of major importance.
@@Northernliiights Well, now I can see how Russia would spin an attacked on Finland just by claiming Finland was about to attack St. Petersburg.
They moved it because the armies of the Central Powers were at the time IN the Baltic States and closing in on St. Petersburg fast. It was considered conceivable that it might fall. It was an emergency measure in 1917 that then became permanent after Finland and the Baltics went independent.
It should also be noted that Moscow is the historical Capital of Russia, it was Peter the Great who swapped the capital to St. Petersburg, so while Moscow hadn't been the official capital for ages it wasn't some random village they move the capital to either, with the Grand Duchy of Moscow being the predecessor state to the Tzardom of Russia, which in turn was the predecessor to the Empire of Russia founded by Peter the Great.
@@SampoPaalanen It was also considered to be too "imperial" city, and too divided among the different parties in the early soviets.
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St. Petersburg is a really young city. The area was still inhabited by Finnic people until the 1600s/1700s when Peter “The Great”, who was obsessed with Europe and hated Moscow, founded St. Petersburg and moved the capital there from Moscow. They moved the capital back when the czardom fell.
I wouldn't call a city that is over 300 years old "young" :D
@@martin8123 relative to its location and status as a former capital of an old empire it kind of is. I think what makes St. Petersburg feel particularly “young” though is that it was a deliberate copy of older European towns, Peter I was obsessed with making Russia more European. He came up with the current Russian flag (at the time he made it the navy flag or something) by just stealing the Dutch one, all high society in Russia switched to speaking French, the name of the city follows Germanic naming traditions etc (hence the regular renaming to Petrograd and Leningrad.)
Like Finland is a relatively young country as far as urbanisation goes, and Helsinki is still a good 200 years older than St. Petersburg. My Finnish hometown is near half a millennium older than St:Pete’s.
@@saaraa7876 In Russia, there are cities that were founded and inhabited by the Slavs 400 years before the emergence of the oldest city in Finland - Turku. All this antiquity should be left to historians, not politicians. Antiquity is not a reason for pride. In Iraq, let's say there are cities that are more than 7 thousand years old, but this is the only thing that remains for the Iraqis to graze because Iraq is now a scorched desert from which people are ready to escape at any opportunity, this antiquity in the modern world does not mean anything. That same Republic of San Marino has existed for 1700 years, so what? Does anyone want to live in dwarf San Marino just because of its antiquity?
It would be even more accurate to say about St. Petersburg that its population is extremely young in the historical sense. Petersburg survived two complete cycles of population change. In 1917, out of a pre-revolutionary population of 2.5 million, almost 2 million people left (many went abroad), already in 1920 only 740 thousand lived in St. Petersburg. And St. Petersburg reached pre-revolutionary values only by 1935, but these were already different people, farmers who aspired to the city for a better life and work at industrial construction sites. In 1941, the second cycle of population change began, then already 3 million lived in St. and by 1944, only 500 thousand remained, at least 650 thousand of the 3 million died of starvation, most were evacuated, many of the evacuees remained in other republics and regions of the Soviet Union. And again, people of the most diverse ethnic and cash composition began to settle in St. Petersburg, in general, having nothing to do with St. Petersburg. So there are very few people left in St. Petersburg who are indigenous people of at least the 5th generation. There are practically no people in the city whose family tree begins in St. Petersburg at least from the 19th century, I'm not even talking about the 18th century. Unlike Finland, where there are people who live in the same places, whose ancestors lived there for hundreds of years.
@@stepanfedorov561 I wasn’t talking of “cities” in Russia, I was talking of St. Petersburg specifically. And 300 years in Russia or Europe is young.
The video was wondering why the capital moved from St:Pete’s to Moscow so I replied to that, that Moscow was the capital already before St. Petersburg ever existed. Of course there are much older cities in Europe than Moscow too, but that’s not the point.
Belgian here, my great grandfather was working as a commercial sailor when world war 1 broke out, he was in crimea and had to travel all the way north to Murmansk to be able to get onto a ship home :p
This was great react again. Thank you.
thanks for showing this and adding comments
Like Senator Tom Cotton said: Finland and Sweden are the strongest candidates to join NATO since its origin in 1949.
What the hell does Cotton want from us? Protection? We don't crop cotton here!
@@mikkorenvall428 Cry more
@@Marcus-ur3kr Should I? compliments like that just make me suspicious. Like the majority of Finns who don't want to make themselves a feature. Gives me shivers.
@@Marcus-ur3kr American/Finn here (I live in Tampere). Tom Cotton is a Senator, and generally one of the good guys. But I know the US policy is to get others to fight their war. That's what is going on in Ukraine and is why the Biden administration does not want Ukraine to go to the 'peace talk table'. Also, there is the 'US military complex' that likes constant wars in order to sell bullets and test their latest inventions. I definitely support Finland's 'strong defense' policy, but also strongly support keeping things as peaceful as possible. I doubt Putin would have wanted to go for Finland, BUT... if Russia HAD quickly taken over Ukraine, that might have emboldened him to move on Finland as well with some trumped up reason for doing so. Hard to say what the right move is/was here.
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In 1939 USSR tried not only take those territories mentioned in the video. The Soviet prewar areal demands changed immediately when the war against Finland started in Nov 1939. The new goal was to occupy Finland. However in March 1940 Soviet Union had to give up its goal of placing the O.W. Kuusinen's communist puppet government in Helsinki. Finland’s regime and constitution could not be changed.
In November 1940 Soviet PM Molotov was sent to Berlin to ask Hitler's consent for USSR to finish in Finland the invasion that had failed in March. Hitler refused because he had started to see the pissed-off Finns as an asset in his plan to attack USSR in 1941. Followed the Continuation War 1941-44.
Did Mannerheim and Hitler collaborate at that time ? So why are you complaining about Stalin's opposing this plot?
Make love not war ☺️! Hello from finland. Love your videos.Hope things wont get escalated too much in current time of things happening.🇫🇮.I love people.I love life.Russian common people deserve more than this.They are just normal as us 🥰
@@yyyy12344 no russia's illegal invasion of independant countries=no nato base at russian border
@@yyyy12344 and NATO attacked your country ?
Amazing analysis with the video. Greetings from Helsinki :) your pov was really interesting when you talked about what it means to have _defence forces_ vs armed forces and so on.
Also regarding NATO. I dont think finns would have liked to apply in any time soon had the invasion against Ukraine not happened. Majority of whom I've talked with, have said that they don't want NATO bases on our land and honestly I don't see that happening anytime soon.
@@ankkaah1809 Finland was already in all possible Nato partnership for peace etc programmes even before applying, so it is not really a big deal, but I get the distinction. As was mentioned in the video, there is really no need for a NATO base in Finland.
To be fair I think it would be good to have a winter training facility up in Lapland. It would spruce up the economy up there as well. :D
@@harri9885 And if anywhere, the possible NATO base would be placed in Lapland as a counterpart for Kola Peninsula armory. To.cover Northern Finland and Norway.
Awsome video lot of details
Real life lore has a whole modern conflict series
13:03 Almost all of the finnish soldiers in these pictures are conscripts, probably on their parade march to lay their wovs to defend the finnish nation against all enemies etc etc. Basicly this means all of them are have done basic soldier training and after that special training depending on what brach you "choose", in many cases given, depending on youre education and so on. If needed these guys are ready for combat, but the army needs truck drivers, tank drivers, artillery men, air deffence, snipers, airforce, navy, recon and so on. And most of all conscripts are willing to deffend finland and I believe its because almost every one has a relative who deffended finland in WW2. Just giving up would be a waste of all the lives lost in WW2
Unlike Russia, Finland REMEMBERS its' Fallen and does not piss on their sacrifice. They learned from them.
Yep, I think a lot has to do with how each and every one of us Finns have heard stories from the war, not to mention that the way we talk about it is never glorified. We know what was at stake then and even now, a lot of good to fight for here. A good army has a lot of motivation to fight - something our Eastern neighbor hasn't had in a long while, the troops are just cannon fodder to them. Been happy to see how the amount of women volunteering for duty is on a constant rise, then again it's not that surprising - we're a small country with small populace, every single working hand is of utmost importance.
Finland is very important for Americans especially because Finland would threaten Russia’s major military installations in the Kola Peninsula, where Russia’s largest and most advanced naval forces are positioned to break out into the Atlantic and threaten the United States.
Finland doesn't threaten anybody ever.
@@heliheikkinen6326 Nato country next to Kola Peninsula is a threat to Russia, he didn't mean Finland itself is threatening anyone or Nato would in ever attack Russia (unless the WWIII is going on and Russia is in the war with Nato)
@@heliheikkinen6326 it's a threat in the sense of a deterrence, eg. If you do this thing against us, we will cut your achilles tendon before you get the chance to regret attacking.
höpö höpö
@@heliheikkinen6326 How naive are you ? You will be a tiny part of American's geostrategy. A little token in Uncle Sam's Monopoly game.
Love your videos man greetings from 🇵🇹
One of the most balanced valuations I have seen. Thanx.
20:14 There is one thing they are missing here. Sweden and Finland is part of a passive defense pact via EU, so Sweden and Finland would already need to defense the Baltic state via EU.
What this complicated a bit is that Norway is part of Nato, but not EU, that in a conflict of this kind Norwegian troops would be locked out, and US and UK troops would not be alowed to operate of Gottland. Still.. French and German troops could operate of Gottland.
Its also worth saying that the distance here are really short.. A Gripen lifting of a airbase in Gotland, could shoot down a MIG in riga, pretty much instantly of lift of.
UK has bilateral defense agreements with both Finland and Sweden so doesn't depend on NATO decisions to collaborate and support.
We know who our friends are.
In addition our Aircraft Carriers and friendship with Norway will further support under the Joint Expeditionary Force.
Coming from a NATO country moving to Finland I didn't really think about it, then 2022 happened. When the membership is finalized I'll be happy. Though I do currently already feel safer.
In the midst of a proxy war between Russia and the United States (in which the main goal of Russia is to push NATO away from its borders, and the goal of the United States to surround Russia with its military bases) that can develop into a third world war, the smartest decision is to throw back its neutrality and voluntarily bring its country into targets for a nuclear strike.
NATO will help Finland if Russia attacks it, but who will help Finland if the United States, with its powerful economy (which, of course, is not supported by debts to the whole world) decides to make war with Russia?
this is the problem what nato is causing, members feels safer, but at the cost of non nato countries having aggressive military alliance near by.
@@inf11 The Swiss can feel the presence of NATO as Sweden and Finland do. And you are right it does limit options of non-NATO countries. Everyone sorry about that.
@@yyyy12344 Imagine if RF acted like a normal country. Unfortunately it is run by a man that has been traumatized by WW2 and the collapse of the SU. Time will cure this soonish. Does it change anything is anybody's guess.
@@yyyy12344 I totally get your point but don't share your point on view.
What happened can be asked from the neighbors. Why would a burglar be offended by a fence.
I like y video’s very much. Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮
He didn't mention that Putin literally threatened Finland and Sweden "or else!". So I think that's what clinched the decision, no one likes to be threatened in their own home.
the beat up uniforms are used in combat/survival training so to not destroy the newer uniforms which are mostly used on base training and leaves of absence. :)
I second the recomendation of real life lore, I've binged watch its content because is so good, learned a lot, and its a good mix between tactical-geopolitical and other kinda lore like culture and history.
Thank you for your service.
Biggest thing that these history lessons forget is that the areas Stalin was demanding were our best defensive fortifications (Mannerheim Line) that were built against Soviet aggression. Those fortifications were one of the biggest reasons we managed to inflict so many casualties on the Soviets and make them only get pyrrhic victory and Finland keep it's independence. I am 100% certain if Stalin got his demands he would have invaded anyway as he was still hyped on his free land grabbing from Poland & Baltic States and thought everything would happen with Finland too.
Fortifications that were built in preparation as in just few months (until the very start of the conflict) as one of the largest pre-war, kinda barely "modernly" industrialized joint military/civil defensive infrastructure projects in the country - only to be followed by the Salpalinja Project that never finished.
Kinda makes me laugh when all these projections show "finnish armies" marching over that very same grinder to St.Peterburg.
Even Russia can't be that stupid that they don't have any defence lines prepared in The Isthmus, can they?
17:47 yes as a Finn I am very proud of our countrys army and weapons, but have always been jealous of Swedens innovations and willingness to make their own equipment. This is a topic you should deinitely do a video about if you haven't already (just subscribed). If I remeer correctly a small Swedish submarine actually sank US aircraft carrier in an exercise few years ago. Pretty admirable considering how much each country spends on their military tech.
Good video. Rgds fr Finland
given the shallow depths and convoluted coasts HE and other area of effect rounds are very dangerous to the coastal craft all sides need for recon/patrol. the swedes have a 57mm autoloading naval gun with proximity rounds...
edit. motivation is also impossible to underestimate in self defence.
Been on a RealLifeLore geopolitics binge myself recently. Never realized how interesting and intricate such things were and highly recommend watching more
Ive followed real life lore for quite a while, mostly on nebula (they post there first, and no ads at all) they always do a fantastic job of explaining complicated topics in my opinion.
17:08 I used to live close where that particular coast guard vessel was based. It's massive, I don't really know why the coast guard need a ship that big for, but what I do know is that it's really cool to see it up close.
Front line in lapland didn't really move much during continuation war. In my opinion it was because harsh conditions there during both summer and winter. Kola peninsula would be hard to attack from land.
Can't do effective, large-scale warfare in craggy wilderness and plentyful swampland.
Finland has already JASSM-ER, which can be shot to Moscow from Gulf of Bothnia (West coast of Finland). Not a probable use case, but possible one.
That sculpture is in front of Nato HQ in Bruessels, Belgium. I have been there (near it/seen it with my own eyes distance).
I can probably say now, that in 1995 the weapon system I was trained on had comms system that could of been connected to Nato-systems in turnkey fashion, if such decision would of needed, that is.
Really like geopolitics keep it up!🫡🇵🇹
Finland is now in the process of purchasing David Sling or Barack MX missile defense system from Israel. Those are kind of like patriot system on steroids. Israelis use those them selfs along with their iron dome and they seem to work against their enemies,. So they probably will work against Russians too, and Swedish saab avacs planes will help also if there are missiles coming from Russia. Cheers from Finland.
I live in Helsinki and I've been to Saint Petersburg multiple times by train and ferry, actually a very beautiful city, such a shame travel there is no longer possible.
I agree you. It is one of the most beautiful capitols in Europe.
But, if you go 10-15 km outside the center, you can see the real Russian standard of living. People live in horrible slums, which hasn't been taken care of for tens of years. This especially on the former Finnish Karelian Isthmus. As an exception, in the midst of all the ugliness, there are the shockingly large and unstylish dachas of the oligarchs.
@@jukkalahtinen3509 Late response but this is the case in all of eastern Europe, especially Poland and the Baltic states, even in the eastern parts of Germany. You won't have to go far from Warsaw or Krakow to find villages which look like they were never repaired after WW2
27:33 Don´t be fooled by the scale of the map. The distance between Sverodvinsk and Alaska is not very far. It would take no more than 4 days for a sub to go that distance, its actually pretty close. For instance, its close then say London to NYC.
It's not as much with the scale as it is with the projection. Map would be pretty warped if it was displayed correctly "over the pole" - and it would also better show how big of shortcut going under Arctic ice would be.
Very good video as usual. I enjoy your content. Just a quick point though in the video at 11.24 the guy above your head is the spitting image of a younger Putin.
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A dictator will NEVER stop, until he is STOPPED.
Such a silly crap 🤣🤣go back to kindergarten kid🤣
I know right the sooner BIDEN is gone and that is who your talking about the better
@@bradgray4360 hi rusbot
@@bradgray4360 agree. He blew up nord to remove the biggest incentive for peacekeeping in our region.
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There is one false interpretattion sneeking in to many videos talking about siege of Leningrad )St. Petersburg thaat time).
Finland allowed germany to use airfields and ports in finland and fought together againnst russia, BUT never partisipated ssiege of Leningrad. Marshal mannerheim specifically refused to do so and kept finnish forces in historical finnish territory. Only towards the end he allwed few small units to cross towards south to please Hitlers tightening demands. Hitler had othervise stopped desperately needed materialand food supply to finland.
Finns even secretly allowed russians northen supply line to keep on supplying aid from Murmansk to Leningrad - through area that finns occupied during the years (look at the operational maps of time! Finns were up to Äänislinna/Petroskoi all time). So Mannerheim saved millions of Russian lives, because he was not animal and had history in russian army before russian revolution. How russians thanks mannerheim today? Starts spreading false informatio about finnish natzi concentration camps and mass graves in carelia, which in reality are graves of finnish imigrantso to russia executed by 'Father Stalin' before wars.
Apparently some Finnish patrols on Lake Ladoga did kind of participate in the siege in the winter but mostly the siege was conducted by the Germans and not very well at that.
@@tapiomanner232 Mannerheim was in regular indirect contact with Stalin throughout war time and was not willing finns to act inhumane way allowing support line from north saving most propably millions of lives in St Petersburg.
Seeing now how russia 'thanks' finland of such dignity, finns have learned
what is payback from russians. Just constant false flags (carelina massgraves, nazzi claims) and massive trolling for years.
Ruskies read my lips: don't ask for mercy next time, you will not get it - never again.
I'm finnish, and if my country needs me, I will defend her.
There's a conscript-ish joke that goes
"Lupaan ja vannon,
kautta kiven ja kannon,
että lataan ja ammun,
kunnes kentälle sammun."
Which roughly translates to:
"I promise and swear,
Through rock and tree[stump]
That I'll reload and fire,
Till on the field I expire"
We are prepared.
Yep, the Kola peninsula. Pretty much ingrained in the pshyche of any northernly situated Northern European growing up during the cold war.
18:00 Swedish Bofors (in association with BAE Systems) also makes some pretty nifty smart artillery rounds.
22:45 I wasn't aware that they had so much of their big guns up there either, especially the strategic nuclear stuff.
Yes the Excalibur rounds are the ones they make in Sweden.
@@Perkelenaattori as well as the BONUS 155mm howitzer and STRIX 120mm mortar anti-tank rounds
Greetings from Finland!
LOL did NOT expect minecraft CAT song in the end :D (My wife and kids always compete on who finds that in the game first and plays it nonstop in their cabin :D)
This video being analyzed correlates strongly with a book I've been reading about the "secret way of Finland to NATO". We have the extended range JASSM, and had the F-35 sales approved in the US way before NATO. I guess US and Finland will be close friends. The reason is in the geography, one can do very little in that sense (reference to historical arguments by dictators).
As a Finn who just joined the Finnish navy it's quite scary to see these events play out and seeing Russia make these decisions. Let's hope that we won't have to see any more invasions.
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You watch too much TV.
Grow up and start thinking with your head already. Russia has no plans to invade Finland. This is nonsense made up by the Americans to reinforce Russophobia and force Europe to buy American equipment and weapons. America only lives by wreaking havoc around the world
@@user-ig8ew8qz8n lmao, sounds exactly like a response ONESELF who watches too much of their state owned media (:
@Arlan Filank Do you honestly think they would employ TN's to an european capital city without the recurperssion of a total hostility from the majority of the world towards them?
Like, that would be either an "oopsie, I m a retard" move from Putler or a "fuck you, imma a pigeon and imma shit on the chess board cause I can!!!" move. Either cases, terrifying as they seem to be more plausible day by day with his current situation in Russia... like with every DICTATOR ever in the history of mankind.
Don't know if Russia could actually close Suvalki gap. I mean they are facing Poland there. Most militarized country in Europe. I think Poland running over Kaliningrad is more likely outcome.
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Good show!
It's not the jet stream it's the Gulf Stream from the Southern Coast of the US!
I am from Denmark and I served in the Danish recon forces we don't run a military like you would expect if you want to find out something special about Denmark lookup or special forces and our future king and his training, when I was in the recon forces of future king where are platoon leader 😋
Love it, you giggling; let's go coast guard destroyer ship
5 million in Finland that’s crazy. My home country of Burundi is one of the smallest countries on the planet and we’ve got 12-13 million.
I believe you are just a bit bigger than Wales the country. Only just tho.
Mongolia has about three million people, but it's like five times the size of Finland.
Population density tells something about how hospitable the environment is for humans. Many of the cities in Finland are less densely populated than countries like Belgium, Netherlands etc.
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as a karelian brigade guy im happy to join nato
Same here.
You need to check out the videos showing the bunkers they built into their cities, it amazing.
13:08 This years uniform that you are only allowed to wear during weekend leaves or outside of base will in the following years steadily become the uniform for indoor classes, to light duty and eventually handed down to the rookies to crawl in the mud. Getting a fittint gear is down to luck, persistent complaining or befriending people at the armory. I have a feeling this is how it is on most countries that dont have a top tier military funding.
The truth is that Finland does not need NATO, but NATO needs Finland's eastern border, Finland is capable of self-preservation.
@@yyyy12344 that's a lie.
Does help to have friends ;-)
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10:09 I've had couple discussions with people who served their own country from different corners of the world and somehow I always get asked "But what if its someone else other than Russia that would attack Finland?" I might be indoctrinated enough, but to me it was a baffling question. Who would? Why would they?
After the extremists in Middle East started to shake up things the picture changed a litte, yes there are foreign threaths too, but a nation state adversary? Very unlikely to the point of it being counterproductive to take out resources from preparing for the Russian invasion. I feel safe and secure in my small buffer zone, I know my family is safe and secure and if it really gets bad, they can flee west with zero problems while others stay and try to figure the best logistics for the fallen Russians.
Might be because I was a combat engineer but to me Finland in a game of Risk would be like a big land mine. You can come, you can try, but you will leave your legs here.
edit: to clarify. If any of out other neigbours would try to invade Finland, we would a) surrender immidiately and co-exists peacefully from that point on or b) get overrun in a day and have the right to complain about something other than our own political leaders.
Eh, more like it'd be counted as kind of a Rough Night Out With The Boys. Give it couple of days to sober up, shake hands and forget all that ever happened. White Peace would be signed and everything goes back to what it was before.
The only change would be that some days later TImo calls from from, say, Latvia and asks for money to get back home.
Tho what you say is true. is it baffling how anyone can even ask the question about "what if SOMEONE ELSE other than Russia would invade Finland/(Any Eastern European RUS-border Country Here)?". There is no someone else.
Would it be (this is all in jest) Sweden with their "office hour army"? Norway and handful of arctic rangers? Baltic Ferry full of Estonians/Latvians/Lithuanians - that's every other Friday!
And if Germany or any other central european power was ever to invade Finland, we'd know about in advance. They'd manage to either leak it by them or just could not come to agreement over the details! And Poles? At least that'd make a fun fight!
Probably only the CCP would want revenge for their exclusion from Europe in tech, e.g. Huawei in favour of Nokia and Ericsson.
Super unlikely but you do ask Who?
The north remembers. Here is a nice short read how Russians acted in Finland during the Great Wrath. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wrath and now we see similarities in Ukraine war.
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The word "occupied" is false. Finland have never been occupied. The geographical area that nowadays are known as "Finland" was the eastern province of Sweden.
...with own representative to vote the next king at rocks of Mora...
@@Savupirtti ... which was more rights then what the people in Hälsingland and northward had. But then again the "Swedish" north was not fully incoperated in to the kingdom of Sweden until 1320CE (according to historian Dick Harrisson).
This was very educational. I live in Finland and was not aware of that highway to NW russian bases. Interesting stuff.
Hi from Finland 🇫🇮
We can do whatever it takes.🇫🇮
You should REALLY watch 'Why Turkey is preparing to invade Syria (Again)', it's from the same channel
These maps are NOT in real size, they are stretched from hemispheric surface into a flat one, so Russia its stretched bigger on typical map.
Yes, you are indeed right that this is due to the Mercator projection.
And the African continent is twice the size of Russia. But with the Mercator projection, this is not noticeable at all.
Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮❤️
VERY interesting from a Finnish point of view!
In advance of NATO membership, Finland and Sweden have signed a mutual defence pact with the UK so they can be protected under their nuclear umbrella.
And with USA aswell i believe...
Just replace the term 'umbrella' by 'strategic dominance'. Umbrella is just used for making the people feel safe, the term is cheating !
14:25 I think that is true if you ask Americans now, but if we lived in an alternate reality where the ruZzians could invade and that threat was real and it was about to happen, I think the % of willingness to defend would be the same, or even more. Secondly usually the polls are taken of 10,000 people who happen to answer them, that 10K is pretty significant considering our population.
12:55 we have bigger helmets, because we hate to fit a thick ski mask underneath :)
12:58 those guys have been in service for less than 165 days. If i count correctly from that pic (it was taken in june 2022) the actual time is 151 days.
30:10 Yeah, I was worried already back in 2014 when they took over Donetsk and Crimea, I was confused as to how our media and society didn't react much to it.
We have been observing ruZzian expansionism since the fall of the Soviet Union, well since putin came to power (btw popularity in election was gained with a domestic terrorist attack made by the FSB). In order to gain public approval for the second invasion of Chechnya. Crazy world, although it's just repeating itself, as it always has been in human history, unfortunately.
After the war against Russia, Sweden ended up on the same side as Russia and Britain against France and Napoleon. And since Denmark, the arch-enemy of Sweden, fought on the French side and lost it was decided that Sweden would get Norway from Denmark as compensation for the loss of Finland to Russia.
1808/1809 were the last time there's been a war on Swedish soil, but Sweden fought a war in 1814 when Sweden forced Norway into the union with Sweden as was decided in the peace treaty of the Napoleonic war. Then Norway peacefully gained their independent in 1905.
Edit: The Baltic Sea has a largest dept of roughly 460 metres but most of it is much shallower. This is the reason why it is really difficult to use the really big capital ships since they would be easy prey for smaller ship and submaries that can pop out from the archpelago, launch their missiles and retreat in cover of the thousands island of Finland and Sweden.
Came here to say this. The allies wanted Sweden to join them. We were like "fine, but then we get Norway", which they didn't mind.
Norway on the other hand DID mind, so 90 years later they went "Screw you guys, we're going independent".
Joint Expeditionary Force has got the Baltic with the Nordic countries and their friends in NL and UK etc.
NATO forward operating bases in Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Poland mean support is already there with plans for more as required.
Kaliningrad is toast if it kicks off..
Sweden has patriot system and Finland just buyed Rafael's david sling missile air defence system