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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- The release of Space Jam: A New Legacy is here, the sequel to the beloved (if not exactly great) original film, with LeBron James taking over for Michael Jordan. In this video, I go over why I think this film feels even more cynical than the first and talk about why I feel the movie...kind of hates itself.
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"A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story"
-C.S. Lewis
👏🏾
"Kids deserve better entertainment."
Amen, they deserve the best. That's why original Looney Toons, Animaniacs, PBS, and Pixar were so great. They believed that
What happened to shows like Avatar, Ben 10, Clone wars, Gravity falls, etc?
@@Flome810 for ben his creator died
@@TheReZisTLust Well not really, it just kind fell off financially
@@Flome810 maybe after adult animation became more popular, good writers migrated there and kids animation tried to be youtube without any passion
you are darn tootie children deserve better entertainment but Hollywood executives are so greedy so cynical and so closed minded that they are treating the audiences like they are idiots
The LEGO Batman movie did the "look at the all the IP's we own" thing really well.
Exactly and they actually get some pretty funny jokes
That's a good point. I suppose part of the reason that works is because it's mostly in the last 3rd of the movie and because it leans heavily into the kind of stuff I would like to do as when I was playing around as a kid. Ex. What if batman fought dacron from lord of the rings?
A good version of it because Legos are everything so it’s a good way to show off and build
Oh man, that was a good movie!
Hell, even the LEGO Movie itself - and especially the second one - showed that it's possible for a major corporation is capable criticizing their own IP and the industry, and that too was published by Warner Brothers too!
I was REALLY hoping Lebron would ask "why do you look like Don Cheadle?"
Yeah, would've loved a joke that the AI modeled himself after the actor or something.
Or better yet: where’s your suit tin man.
Instead we got: "The computers black?"
:|
oh god this would've been amazing
The saddest thing about this movie is the fact that some of the animators for it were left uncredited in the credits. It's a shame because the 2D segments may have not been as good as they were before, but the Wonder Woman comic style was actually the best part of the 2D animation.
The 2d segments are actually better-animated than the original space jam, look at them back-to-back. The shading is less intense in space jam 2, but the characters are more on-model and fluid. All the more reason they should have credited them
@@rattyeely yeah for sure they probably had better technology too
@@athenajaxon2397 INDEED
The 2D parts were good and vibrant!
Jim Cummings did some of Taz's lines, but he was not credited.
That Trinity flying crane kick had been parodied to death in the early to mid-2000s, it's wince-worthy to see it in 2021.
But it's funny cause Old People don't do that! Get it? I doubt they were thinking this deeply into it, but you could also say it was an outdated joke by an old person who is out of touch adding layers to it. Regardless, still CRINGE lol!
Everytime something like this happens, I recall the Sony email leaks and how utterly out of touch and obviously stupid the executives of these companies are. Two old foggies trying to explain why Spiderman needs to 'humble brag' and do a tough mudder to relate to the kids over email is agonizing.
You know there is some WB coffin dodger saying they need a Matrix reference because the kids love that movie (and we talked the Watchowskis into making another one next year so need to remind everyone about it)
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"Oh no we're back to this again!" -My immediate thought.
Oh Shi it jus hit me that why Fiona did that weird slow Mo kick in the first Shrek movie
This movie is a literal representation of our society now: huge corporations trying to make you give your hard earned money to them shamelessly
And then pretend to "fight" the wealth gap lol
@@Ebstarrunner In a movie about a rich kid that have everything he wants, and that the inflection point is dont work and force dad to let you do whatever you want over what you must in order to be successful...
I didn't even see the movie, and it was still somehow the most cynically corporate movie I've ever seen.
Same lol.
Same, and i completely pissed with the Micheal Jordan "joke" scene
i absolutely despise the idea of "it's made for kids".
it's a sequel to a movie made 25 years ago. there are tons of references to even older stuff that kids wouldn't even recognize. it's funny no one ever says "it's made for kids" when it comes to well received movies.
That's because it's an excuse. You don't need to make excuses for good films. Sometimes movies or animation are so bad they boomerang around to being entertaining, but the impression I get is you can enjoy Space Jam 2 only if you like reference humor.
"It's for kids"
I grew up with Lilo & Stitch and Toy Story 2. There's no excuse.
There's a reason why many of the Disney, Pixar, and DreamWorks films, as well as shows like ATLA, Gravity falls, Adventure time, etc, are beloved by many. Because they know to challenge their audience, and present great stories that people regardless of age, would remember for a long time.
People who make that excuse are either morons or they don't watch a lot of films. If anything over half of the Pixar films are made for kids yet they're arguably some of the best films ever made like the toy story movies, Incredibles, ratatouille, and etc. Heck, beauty and the beast was made for kids yet that animated film was so good that it was nominated for an Oscar.
Heck, there's even kid films like how to train your dragon, ponyo, lion king, and etc that are still hailed as classics to this day so I don't want to hear anyone say kids movies can't be good. Space jam 2 just outright sucks.
Granted space jam 1 wasn't a great movie but it was at least coherent. This new movie just feels like trash
@Thyme and Oregano LeBron James is a bonafide moron honestly, and this new movie proves it. Seriously, he didn't even have official confirmation from China that the movie was even going to show there, yet he was out there all summer trying to promote it only to find out they were never going to show his film anyways
The movie debates it’s own existence, and in the end, concludes that it should not exist
When your own movie knows it shouldn't exist, you know you've F-ed up.
Personally, this is a truly OK flick IMHO, I’m serious (🧐). It’s not 100% atrociously terrible, but it’s not 100% fantastically great either…it falls squarely in the middle. From looking at this (no offense whatsoever to captainmidnight), and from reading a lot of the comments, to me, people are making this film out to be like it literally physically hurts, kills, or even rapes people. WTF (😬)? It's a *MOVIE,* people!
@@velociraptor4you3291 big facts. This movie has its flaws but it was still fun to watch. The whole hate it gets now because it’s cool is just so annoying and really childish.
@@RalphJr-xp3hp I’ve been getting more or less the same impression, if it’s any comfort.
@@RalphJr-xp3hp fuck, I don’t know, maybe people hate it because it’s the most plain example of corporate IP farming masquerading as art in the history of film? And maybe people genuinely love the art of film, so they’re disgusted when it’s hijacked purely for corporate purposes? I wouldn’t say passion for an art form is childish.
What went wrong? The Animaniacs didn’t get a single line.
haven't, won't, don't want to watch Space Jam 2... thank you for your sacrifice good sir!
Thats a movie that coulda worked
Not faboo.
Not faboo at all!!
And don't forgot Tom and Jerry doesn't created as cameo in person in this movie other than a poster of the pathetic bait movie
Agreed.
The problem I had with Space Jam 2 was that it felt more like an WB advertisement. It screamed: "Look at how many properties we own."
It also focused too much on LeBron rather than the toons themselves, which made for bland watching.
Space Jam 1 had it's issues but it at least focused more on the toons than MJ, as it had stakes for which threatened the toons with eternal imprisonment on an amusement park. Where as in Space Jam 2 the toons were only told they were going to be deleted just before the game, which felt like a copout.
I’m still laughing at taking out Pepe Le Pew but leaving in Alex and his droogs and Pennywise.
Context penny wise is an antagonist that kids wouldn’t know who he is so his cameo should be no problem as long as you don’t go too far like a Jason cameos and Pepe is a protagonist who would show a form of sexual assault. Like even Dave Chapelle called Pepe problematic. To keep Pepe you need to change Pepe and what would he become?
@@parism9172 Pay LePew.
@@parism9172 honestly if you just don’t have him grabbing people without their consent it would help out a lot. It’s weird because in the 2010s you could tell they were experimenting with updating Pepe’s character. So I do think you can update him and have him be a romantic and French
@@parism9172 this doenst matter, is a f*cking horror movie villain in a movie made for kids
And Sister Jeanne from The Devils (with her original costume).
"I'd be surprised if anybody was talking about space jam 2 next month", hell I almost didn't click on the video because I'm already done talking about it LOL
I almost didn't click on the video because I was done ranting about it. It just blows a lot.
meanwhile: space jam A NEW LEGACY < got an *A-* Cinema Score "and" it's *#1* in the box office
@@eyewatch2see77 I mean, Cuties got an 88% on Rotten Tomatoes so that tells ya what the critics are like.
@@eyewatch2see77 Checking out Box Office Mojo, I discovered that Space Jam 2 made less money than Morbius.
@@Sr.BulletBill space jam A NEW LEGACY < got an A- Cinema Score "and" it was #1 in the box office ...
THIS was during COVID (that's remarkable)
Did you ever see the 2011 "The Looney Tunes Show?" Lola bunny has an amazingly fun personality in that show, and it was an absolute wasted opportunity to not use that version of her in this new movie.
It's quite possible that he hasn't. I wish they would make a version of Lola that's a cross between her Space Jam version and her 2011 version.
@i .candy She's not superficial in the first movie due to any sexualization. The sexy part was fine (and on a side note, Jessica Rabbit was great). Anyway, Lola is superficial in the original movie because her personality is practically non-existent.
The crazy spaz/stalker version from the show was super duper over the top, to the point where it was funny. Yes, stuff like that happens in real life, but those people get slapped with restraining orders or tossed in prison. Part of the fun of Lola in the show is that she's just allowed to walk freely and dive further into insanity, and yet she doesn't actually hurt anyone. It's played for gags, so *let it* be a gag. People get hit with pianos in real life too, but we still have those in looney toons.
I think you hit the nail on the head without even knowing it. The problem with labeling things as "problematic" or "toxic" is that eventually writers make the characters so bland that they won't offend anyone, but they won't appeal to anyone either. So we get a new version, and it's Lola Boring-Bunny.
@i .candy If her strongest character trait is "I won't be pushed around," then she really doesn't have a personality. She's just being used as a stand-in for a female empowerment message. What they could have done is portray her as a genuinely good character first, and *also* have her be an empowered female on top of that.
And I never excused Lola for being a manipulative idiot. I acknowledged it and reveled in it. It was hilarious and interesting. Plus, that version refused to be pushed around too. She wouldn't let Bugs push her out of his life. LOL!
I use to despise it for some reason as a teen. But now as an adult, I'm gonna get around to watching it.
@@NewCanada that would be perfection. unfortunately, female characters with big curves are cancelled in a blink of an eye.
Space Jam 1:a movie from an ad
A new Legacy:THE MOVIE IS AN AD
People wanted to see and ad for looney tunes Lebron and Basketball , not an Ad for Warner Bros.
@@petermj1098 and Double Standards like Tom and Jerry cannot created an in person cameo but Pennywise and Rick and Morty has no problem to create cameo 🤦♂
I had a bad feeling when they announced the director to be the same from SCARY MOVIE 5
It really does feel like a similar vein as the Scary Movie franchise in all the parodies and wink nudges, particularly in the later movies in the franchise when it went from silly-dumb to just dumb-dumb. This might have worked if it was more subtle instead of each section playing out like SNL or Family Guy skits but this movie is anything but subtle.
To be fair, David Zucker reshot most of that movie. Malcolm D Lee has done decent work in the past. Here, he's just a director for hire.
He's actually Spike Lee's cousin. But yeah,his filmography not so much. I do however enjoy Girls Trip and Barbershop 3
and Lebron James. And telling us little to nothing about any of the "villains" til the full trailer dropped which showed lackluster trash too. Also Barbershop 3 which was a horrid 3rd entry in that franchise and I enjoyed the first two.
It's like if WB decided to make their own version of Ralph Breaks The Internet, but if Disney made themselves the villain with a program, and the background, Marvel MAX themed characters R rated shows and movie characters from Fox are just hanging out.
(Yeah, I don't get why Wonder Woman is separate either, especially when all of DC is literally Battleworlded together)
Literally, this film reminded me of 'Ralph Breaks the Internet'! And yes, I didn't like that movie either...
The Wonder Woman bit was because it was the comic version of WW, not the animated version. But still it was wear.
I think that bit was there to double-down on the idea that Lola is an empowering female icon, like Diana herself or something recognizes her worthyness and not much else...
Honestly this reminds me of Ready Player One then Ralph Breaks the Internet. Actually Wreck it Ralph itself was a cash grab by being a corporate demanded video game movie that puts the video game characters in the background much like Space Jam 2.
@@egateqa1351 The Ready Player One book actually had some heart about stuff the Author loved from the 1980s and is more like Stranger Things, then the movie
The Looney Tunes Show’s interpretation of Lola was so good. Kristen Wig does a great job. Would have like to see her voice Lola in this movie and make her more just someone good at basketball
I knew her voice sounded familiar in that show
Yeah that's her only defining trait in Space Jam is that she's good at basketball. Yet people act like she has way more personality in those two movies than she actually does.
Yes She did do a good job in that show but how the space jam with Mj displays her to be more mature then the version of her on that show is more Looney and much more zaney
Yeah that version of Lola was great, they turned her from a boring and lame token girl into a hilarious and fun character who fits in perfectly with the other Looney Tunes. One of the only things in that show that everyone agrees is good. It makes no sense to me why they would take such a huge step backwards and scrap all of that.
Space Jam: Michael Jordan is so good at basketball, cartoon characters cross dimensions to recruit him to save the day!
Reboot: LeBron James is so bad at basketball, he needs to recruit cartoon characters to save his ass!
It's not that LeBron is bad at basketball. It's that regular basketball talent isn't enough to handle something that's more than that.
The new film understood the Looney Tunes better than the OG Space Jam, as it gave the Looney Tunes freedom to be themselves.
It's interesting to see Tarantino or Wes Anderson recontextualizing or paying homages to scenes from classic films. It's fun sometimes when superhero movies mention Flash Gordon or 'Footloose'. Sometimes, it's just fun to go "I understood that reference!"
This movie took the joy out of that. I would say that a lot of the references had no business in a Looney Tunes movie, but they are the business, the Tunes are secondary.
The two Gremlins movies and Hot Fuzz did it best it actually matters to the plot and characters
It's like the abomnable Wreck It Ralph 2, but even worse.
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This beat the Emoji Movie as the longest commercial ever.
Nah transformers still holds the crown
It may not be as bad as the Emoji movie, but still.
I know someone that go actually likes the emoji movie AND bee movie 😂😂😂😂
Why emoji movie. Getting the hate. Was actually funny.
@@jg1692 Transformers was always a commercial, but the cartoon advertised only the toys, the movies advertised everything.
Even the og space jam gave Lola a cool bit of personality with her "don't ever call me doll" moment, and I'm sad that the new version seems to be stripped of that.
And she’s like the only toon that’s actually good at basketball
Lola was a badass, like Kamina
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If you think she doesn't have a personality, then you are blind.
@@TheZombiesAreComing She has a personality just not much of one beyond being good at basketball. She's a one dimensional character until they gave her more character and personality in 2011.
They destroyed her character and her tits that us terrible...
I think it was so the character was not
sexualized or a bomb shell” like Jessica rabbit in “who framed Roger Rabbit”. plus they chilled her body Design down a notch comparison from her figure in space jam 1
Perspective from a non local, representing foreign audience.
I'm from Costa Rica, I'm 30 years old now (have not gotten used to it yet because it's fresh haha) i grew up watching Warner Brothers shorts and the Looney Tunes.
I knew all characters that showed up on screen on Space Jam 1, and Michael Jordan was widely known for being a Basketball star, we (most latinos) had not seen a single basketball game on TV at that time, so we were ignorant of how it looked, STILL, it's freaking Michael Jordan, a guy as talented and famous as Michael Jackson and Tiger Woods, i didn't know how to play golf but i knew Tiger Woods, you get the idea.
The plot of the first movie made sense to me, and even though i didn't know most actors (active and retired BB players) on screen, i knew they were great basketball players, also, they had a lot of character and personality, Mugsy Bogues being the odd short guy, Patrick Ewing being tall af and his iconic haircut, Shawn Bradley being the personification of the Basketball Stereotype of a freakishly tall human, etc. The movie used good comedy (imo) to give the players some fair time on screen, to the point that people recognized them in later years when we had access to the internet. Keep in mind we had no way to watch the NBA, and nobody cared about Basketball.
The story that the Looney Tunes followed was easy to understand and didn't require much previous knowledge.
I went to watch Space Jam 2 with one sister and my mom (took them both to a movie theater for their 1st time ever) and i noticed, there was sooooooooo much previous knowledge needed to understand that movie, some things made sense or were kinda fun if you knew a lot of the context, i had been watching NBA related content for the past 3 years so i knew the players, but there was NOBODY famous enough for other people to relate them with the movie characters, and the players didn't get enough exposure to make their animated characters be linked to anything. (Also latinos don't know LeBron as well as we knew Michael Jordan back then, even with the advantage of internet)
The movie is full of puns and nods to things mostly Americans would understand, i am very well informed so i knew them, but i doubt that more than 3 other people in the whole room got as much as i did.
The humor wasn't there either, it's like the Looney Tunes suffered the cancelling of their personality in the same way LeBron was being too intense with his son at the beginning of the movie, so we didn't get to see cool scenes like the Men in Black parody of Sam and Elmer, Taz being as wild as he is, we barely saw Speedy Gonzalez do his thing for 1 irrelevant shot.. Etc
Anyways, the sauce of the movie should have been the Looney Tunes, not Lebron, in fact, the center of the movie was Don Cheadle, the only highlight of it.
In Space Jam 1 the movie circles around the Looney Tunes escense, and MJ is the guest star that everyone wanted to see (judging by the importance of the animation in the movie).
While Al G Rhythm became the focus of the second movie, Lebron took too much time on air, and the Cartoon Characters were barely used at all. It wasn't a Looney Tunes Movie. It was a LBJ vs Ak G Rythm movie.
Actually, the movie Elmer and Yosemite Sam were briefly spoofing in the original Space Jam is Pulp Fiction, not Men in Black. Men in Black wasn’t released till a year after Space Jam.
The idea that the toons hate being turned into CGI is bizarrely..... Sad. And fun fact the original voice actor of Lola, Kath Soucie recorded the lines for this movie and then had Zendaya replace her. Nothing against Zendaya, but it's Very disrespectful and unprofessional of wb😤
Yup, just like CN, who replaced the original VAs of The Powerpuff Girls with a trio of talentless nobodies for the god-awful 2016 reboot.
@@aidanhever3369 I didn't mind the new va's personally other than the disrespect. Now the writing.... What the actual hell was all that
They did the same with Scoob earlier, and that pissed off Matthew Lillard and Grey Griffin.
Bc they think Zens fans would bring more people in the theater 🎭
Space Jam 2 definitely feels like a movie that had way too many studio mandates. It feels like all the references to other WB properties were forced in by the studio. When it focuses on the Looney Tunes, it's a fun time, but unfortunately the looney tunes get overshadowed way too often in this movie.
If you watched the scoob movie it was the exact same way
@@thepoopydipers How exactly? The Scooby-Doo references in that film actually did benefit the plot, in the same way Spider-Verse technically did.
Plus, Scooby was the main character.
Quick aside: the IMDB plot blurb makes it sound like two completely unrelated plots mashed together:
"A rogue artificial intelligence kidnaps the son of famed basketball player LeBron James, who then has to work with Bugs Bunny to win a basketball game."
I love how everyone starts with "i want everyone to understand that space jam 1 is no masterpiece" as if the name of the movie isnt space jam.
_Space Jam 2,_ in a nutshell, is just Warner Bros. flexing at all their IPs and making "funny" crossovers with Looney Tunes characters. It is pretty much what Disney did years earlier with _Ralph Breaks the Internet_ showing the Disney part of the internet with all their Marvel and Star Wars stuff.
The first movie is far from perfect, but at least plot doesn't rely on silly references and has more or less of a decent narrative, with a focus on the Looney Tunes rather than just using them as goofy plot devices to drive the story forward. It's the Looney Tunes who are the ones who seek Michael Jordan's help against Mr. Swackhammer from turning them into atractions for his theme park, and not the other way. On the other side, Michael Jordan is seen struggling to come back to basketball after playing baseball, so his role in the story has some sort of emotional appeal, as this is his chance to finally come back to his roots.
Also, it infuriates me to the core when people say "Hey, it is just a kids' movie. Who cares?". Kids aren't (that) stupid, and thinking that movies should be dumbed down to be "easily digested" by kids is the problem. There are so many countless examples of kids' movies and shows that still resonates with children and adults with solid storytelling. Just because a movie is targeted to kids it doesn't mean it should be dumbed down.
Avatar the last air bender is a show made for kids that’s revered by adults as being an incredible show.
Why? Because it doesn’t treat its audience like a bunch of idiots.
I like this more than Ralph Breaks The Internet :P
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And that movie also sucks.
@@rifasclub Space Jam 1 or Ralph Breaks The Internet
*Question:* _Does Space Jam 2 hate itself, or do fans of the original hate it?_
*Answer:* _Yes._
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Looney Tunes: Back in Action was the best live action Tunes film, IMO.
@@JoeLoquacious i don't wanna know what which rickroll link you'll send me to.
@@hurrdurr2122 It’s not a rickroll, trust me, its a Space Jam 2 hate video
Should Warner Media shut down Warner Animation Group? Yes! Yes it should and turn it into a real animation studio
Warner Bros. saw that "Oh My Disney" scene from Wreck It Ralph 2 and said "Let's make a whole movie out of that, but without some of the self-aware humor or charm"
OR they Saw the "everybody is here " moment from smash Bros.
Wait, there was charm in that?
@@eatatjoes6751 Well, you couldn’t tell me that you didn’t at least laugh during the scene where Vanellope meets the Disney Princesses (so far) and how each of them poke fun of the tropes often associated with them and the interactions they had with another, especially with Merida and the other Princesses being unable to understand her due to her thick-Scottish accent and being from another studio. I even know some people who don’t like the film but do enjoy the scene with Disney Princesses.
Looney Tunes Back in Action always felt like a fine enough semi sequel to Space Jam and I'd rather put that on again than this.
So it’s basically the next step in corporatized cinema like the Emoji Movie and the second Wreck-It Ralph movie. When are these giant brands going to understand that “main character gets sucked into the internet and meets references to as many brands as possible” just so they can get as much product placement money as possible is not going to do well. I’d love to see a deep dive into these movies and the business model, are they even expecting or wanting to have a bunch of people buy tickets, or are they trying to make all their money on product placement knowing nobody will see it. Either way, it does tons of damage to their own brand image too.
Ok, you can fight me on this but I actually enjoyed the Emoji movie for what it was lol.
@@rsetha01 And that's why we keep getting terrible movies. Because of people like you, who have the "A chocolet company send me a piece of shit instead of chocolate, but I'm going to glirify it because one piece of shit is slightly better than two piece of shit" mindest. It probably sounds rude, but I can't word it differently.
@@redpanda6497 It is possible for people to enjoy crappy movies. The Wizard is crappy but I love it.
The Wizard is a less cynical film than some make it out to be. It's essentially a children's fantasy dream of the late 80s, as opposed to something as unimaginative as stickers interacting in a mobile phone.
@@redpanda6497 or someone just has a different opinion than you
This film is a soulless ad pretending to be a tongue-in-cheek parody of a soulless ad.
It is always disappointing when a movie or a TV show does not go far enough with humor of self-awareness. They just redo things with no sense of cleverness and waste perfectly good opportunities for social commentary on how Looney Tunes characters look in 3D. It is even more disappointing that Don Cheadle looked like he was having so much fun playing Al G. Rhythm, because that shows me how good this movie could have been. August 7, 2021, 10:30am
Had potential
First movie was also soulless. I'm surprised a lot of people don't realize that. It existed because of commercials with Michael and Bugs during the 90s.
@@NewCanada True, it was based on commercials with Michael and Bugs, but the first Space Jam was far from soulless because it knew how to be funny, have a good plot and not let advertisements take center stage. October 17, 2021, 1:26pm
"Lola has no personality and should be looney like the other looney toons"
Man, it's almost like they made a show, that gave Lola a personality and made her looney like the rest... but clearly they must not have, it would have been a much smarter decision to use that version instead
It’s Tunes
Not Toons
You have to also remember, there could be different people who worked on Space Jam 2 and Looney Tunes Cartoons. It's basically how they see the toons. Looney Tunes Cartoons: Make them funny as possible. Collect classic jokes. Dark humor.
Space Jam 2: A family movie... The Space Jam 2 team saw the toons as chaotic, uncontrollable, and dangerous. And they wanted the toons to be in a calmer state for the movie. You know, F O R T H E K I D S...
Edit: My little sister and me watch the classic cartoons and watch the Looney Tunes Cartoons. So we know how looney they are.
I worked in the background when we filmed Space Jam 2 at WB back in 2019. (I was one of the pirates, usually situated near the steampunks and warboys). It was hot, our holding area was a set of long tents on the side of the lot, and the first thing that struck all of us when we started was how dark the film felt. We changed directors partway through, and most of us knew even then that a lot of the 2 years between filming and release were going to be spent doing CGI and cleaning up the filming. There had been a lot of talk in 2019 of all of us getting recalled in 2020; our filming schedule was set around LeBron's basketball season, so any reshoots had to happen the next year. Obviously, that was the year of COVID, and no filming happened.
I haven't seen the film, but the days I worked, but I will say that this movie had LOADS of money pouring into it. Way more than I'm used to for most films. Money was no object in the filming of this. And the crew was on their game, LeBron was even sporting neon green on his shoes because they movie would come out in 2021, and they wanted to CGI in the latest Nike's, which wouldn't be available while we were filming.
Overall, I met amazing people on this film and got to make some good friends. But we all kind of knew the movie wasn't going to be that great... but it saved a lot of our necks, especially the SAG background in the specialty outfits, (most of the villains like the Wicked Witch and Pennywise), who were making sick amounts of money. For a lot of us, that time in 2019 made our entire year.
So, I have mixed feelings about Space Jam 2. Honestly, even if it's not that good, it's still better than what the first director was going for. The difference is best described as the difference between Eric Stoltz as Marty McFly vs. Michael J. Fox; two actors with the same script trying to do the same character, but one is doing a really dramatic interpretation, and the other one can find the humor. That's the difference. Space Jam 2 was meant to be light and funny, but had the original director stuck, it would have been overly serious with more dramatic interpretations on the lines, as per the direction. So even if the movie isn't good, it's probably better than it would have been.
Nice story. It’s good that you got something out of it, at least. The filming situation sounds miserable.
@@princekyle4132 It had it's ups and downs. The holding area tents did get some AC's, but the first couple days there were mosquito problems because the tents used water barrels to secure the tents in place. Open water during summer = bugs.
BUT... the food on set was absolutely fantastic, and the people I worked with were some of the most fun people I know in Los Angeles. One of the women on set is someone I went on some dates with before, and seriously the coolest woman I know in LA, and while on set I met someone new who I went out with a few times after our filming wrapped.
It's like any other job: there are tradeoffs. I actually have a lot of good memories from the shoot, but it's because of the time I had hanging out with friends. The movie itself didn't really "wow" me, though the crew was pretty nice to us overall, (always a plus), and we had some good surprises. They gave us VISA gift cards on our last day of shooting, and there was a really fun day on set where Denzel Washington stopped by randomly to say Hi to LeBron.
It's just one of those weird situations out here where everyone is working really hard and a lot of money is being spent to make something good, but you can tell the script/initial idea weren't that great to begin with. It didn't stop anyone from pouring buckets of money into it trying to make it better, though.
@@ZakEmber I’m glad you had a fun, yet memorable experience while working on Space Jam: A New Legacy. It’s cool to hear the story from actual actors and extras on what goes on set while filming. Even though I know Hollywood have people signing contracts to keep from telling the public what actually happened while filming. I don’t know anything about Terrance Nance but I’ve known most of Malcolm D. Lee’s work. I liked Undercover Brother, Roll Bounce, The Best Man Holiday, and Welcome Home Roscoe Jenkins. He has some good movies but these young people online bashes him because he directed Scary Movie 5. I mean sometimes when working on the job you’re going to take credit and responsibilities for certain projects that might not make enough money for the company. And that’s normal. Remedy and flaws are like yin and Yang.
As bad as the 1st film, at least it actually has a story. Michael Jordan gave up basketball, even reluctant to help the Looney Tunes, until his old teammates's power were stolen by the aliens, so he finally decided to help in order to save his friends. In the end he found joy from basketball again, that's why the movie ended with him playing with his old teammates again
Well, it wasn't his old teammates, but yes. They set up he stunk at baseball and was getting frustrated, but tried to keep it separate from his family.
He didn’t know that their powers were stolen until half-time in the movie. He joined because the Monstars turned him into a basketball and made it personal.
Dunno; this one had LeBron reconnecting with his (fictionalized) son and working out the issues that were driving wedges between them (with playing on the Tune Squad giving him the direct perspective he needed to do so). That's not nothing. (Also, there was that minor story arc about Bugs wanting to reunite with the rest of the Toons, which at least gave some emotional weight to the team forming beyond just "needing" to or helping LeBron out of a tight spot.)
I will say, the *one* character dynamic that this movie got right was between Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner.
The fact that Wile E. Coyote uses his knowledge of the relationship he has with Roadrunner to score hundreds of points for the Tune Squad was literally *the only unique thing they did between these characters…*
Agree, and it would been better if Yosemite Sam use his shotgun shoot rapidly at the FUCKING basketball court barrier and Bugs, LeBron and his gang go under the ground for self defense. While the Goon Squad can't doing a thing other than self defense. And Roadrunner and Speedy Godalza doing the rapid slam dunk and owns armor plot against Sam's bullets.
Amazing how much scene's from Space Jame: ANL reminds me of Ready Player One.
Many movies coming out of Hollywood today don't seem to be made with the idea that someone will want to watch the film past it's initial box-office run. It's mere popcorn entertainment made to make a quick profit, and then make way for the next film they're promoting.
interesting observation; that kinda makes Scorcese right when he wrote the article, demolishing current filmmaking and asking 'where is the art' in this new movies and shames them for treating movies as only 'content'
EXACTLY!! You nailed it dude!
The irony here is that they insisted on making this look "progressive" when in reality they are still offering a useless character just to emphasize female power, only on a different package. After all these years they still think of her only for her sex and not for her character or potential as a Looney Toon.
And that's what really pisses me off.
In the comics, the best version of her in my opinion, she's a feisty, sassy, witty, impulsive, vengeful, fun-loving bunny that I can see perfectly teaming up with the likes of Harley Quinn. Doesn't that sound like an interesting and compact contender for entry into the modernized Looney Tunes pantheon? Nah! let's base all our logic on making a generic heroine who still remains forced with the other Looney Tunes and ending up with even more forced feminism than her original version.
The world they choose for Lola doesn't come from footage from another Warner-owned film like most Loonies, but is a half-baked fanfic that betrays how little imagination they put into this version of the character. They thought so much of her as a woman that they put her in fucking Themyscira next to Wonder Woman, one of the greatest female icons in comics. And, in the imperious need to treat her as a powerful female character, what happens? Well, that they forget to treat her as a Looney Toon.
They didn't want to create anything that came close to the previous versions or anything with Looney grace, they wanted to create something profitable, safe
and so processed it hurts.
That little moment in the original where she dribbles Pound's face (the orange monstar) has more cartoonishness than anything she does in this one.
Lebron as a Looney Toon offers more cartoon charisma than this new flimsy version of Lola and that's the final nail in the coffin of this monumental failure.
Anyways, that's my take on this doll. Good vid dud.
Once again WB becomes the villain of their own movies
This wouldn’t be the first time either
And it won’t be the last.
@@firecrakerj3312 But i want to see the Original Creator of Bugs Bunny this bait and cash grab movie
The most tragic thing about Lola is that WB already DID give her a unique and fun personality, with Kristen Wiig's portrayal of the character in The Looney Tunes Show. She was hyperactive, scatterbrained, impulsive, borderline crazy, and overall just a blast to watch. She brought a wonderful dynamic to the cast far beyond her original portrayal as just "the sexy girl bunny". She actually felt like a classic Looney Tunes character. And now it's like they just completely forgot about all of that.
Did you check the comics? That’s where you will find the best version of Lola Bunny.
It was still great seeing the classic Looney Tunes characters on screen. These days, the world could use some more Looney intervention.
I'm so tired of people saying "it's for kids, who cares if it's bad." you're wrong. it's for kids, that's why we should care. These kids' views of what solid entertainment looks like will be shaped by movies like this. So ask yourself, do I really want my kids to remember the looney tunes like marketable husks of characters?
I know right? When I was a kid I saw ads for Alpha and Omega and even back then, I could tell it was gonna be meh. I was right.
@AZ Hawk Don’t make excuses for this. Kids deserve better.
Too many miserable adults like yourself are comparing a movie meant for children, to a movie that’s supposed to be awards worthy. Every single kid I’ve asked actually loved the film, but when you start asking adults they need to over analyze it. Let kids be kids, it’s the Fn Looney Tunes for Gods sake.
@@jasonmichaels8204 Do kids movies not deserve to be good or taken seriously? Would you feed your kids shit? We live in a world where Avatar: The Last Airbender and Samurai Jack exist, both kids shows that easily top most adult shows and strike a perfect balance between comedy, drama and heart. Yet you seem to still live in a world where kids shows should just be alright. Fuck off with that. That mentality deserves to stay in the gutter. Kids shows can and have the capacity to be award-worthy and amazing, Looney Toons included. The recent Looney Toons show is great. So why should we expect less? Kids aren’t stupid. They deserve good shit. Don’t make excuses for shit. It doesn’t deserve your effort.
@@princekyle4132 The first space jam wasn’t that good either, and yet adults let kids watch it and be kids. You people today though are so miserable that kids just can’t be kids anymore, you need to over analyze the Looney Tunes like they are going for an Academy Award or something. I was in the 9th grade when the first one came out and it was horrible, yet adults let kids be kids and remained quiet. It’s the Looney Times, leave them kids alone and let them have a good time Sheesh.
I kinda wished the Lola from the 2012 show was the Lola we got for SJ2. It would add an interesting dialogue exchange with her, Bugs, and Lebron.
She was pretty much the first time Lola was an actually good character but if you changed her to that one you run the risk of alienating fans of the first who are more familiar with that version and who haven't seen the show that personality comes from
@@LeopoldLitchenstein yeah, considering the fact that a lot of people reacted to her redesign negatively despite the Looney tunes show already redesigning her to be less sexualized means that they would just complain about it.
I agree.
@@Everik-ct6pg the reason why people complain about the redesign in this movie is because of the mentality behind it. The director said he wanted to make her "strong and capable" (which she already was in the first movie) and in current year that means making female characters look like men and they are not allowed to look feminine and pretty, that's the actual reason why people don't like the current version, it feels like an insult. The looney toons show version is still feminine.
And we have to stop this mentality that if a female character has curves they are inherently sexualized, no just no.
@@LeopoldLitchenstein Can see both sides of things. Certainly, the "Looney Tunes Show" (and anything inspired by it) did make Lola more looney, which arguably makes her a more natural fit with rest of the characters and have a distinct personality, although it does feel a bit like an "in name only" take on the character. On the other hand, she was kinda flat in the original and I will freely concede that she wasn't the most dynamic character in the sequel/reboot/whatever. However, as someone who first saw her in the original, it was nice to see her acting more like her old self in "A New Legacy." Think I'm going to divide the difference say that, overall, I liked seeing old Lola return and that it was the right call, since it was a "Space Jam" sequel and all that, but will concede that they could've dug into her personality more. Her being the best conventional athlete and having a special relationship with Bugs are good traits, but there's plenty of room for expansion.
Remember when" kids movies" and entertainment aimed at younger audiences was actually good and had real heart, soul and characters/stories that made us invested? I hate how people use the excuse that "it's just a kids movie!" because they're basically saying kids can't follow a story with characters.
Wayne's World has the best satirical jab at marketing and product placement. Unrelated, I really want some Reeboks
The Lola/Dianna scene is probably to say "Hey, WW84 is on the streaming sites"
True but you gotta admit it was pretty cool but it felt kinda outa place in a basketball movie
@@tesoro5620 This also shows WB's massive skill in animations, so I'll give them that
@@sapphireeniigma-8027 true i wish they made a movie like loony toons back in action that would be cool
My guess would be that it was a '5-min wokeism friendly scene' before shutting Lola off, to entice that audience to watch the whole thing; but thats me
So, I take it most, if not all of the "jokes" are of the "Look, it's the (pop culture reference), but what's (Looney Tune character) doing here?!" variety. Because that worked *so well* for all of those ______ Movie parodies that used to crash and burn in theaters every year.
It would be nice if the story went about WB making the big decision that all the cartoon characters to be converted to 3D while Looney Tunes fighting for their own identity
I would go as far as to say that Space Jam as a concept can _only work_ in the 90's back when it was first produced. Because back then, entertainment wasn't nearly as cynical and - quite frankly - _bitter_ as it is now. I think that has a lot to do with how integrated the internet has become in our lives now. Now a days, even months before a movie airs, people all over the world will make judgement calls on it and their opinions will be seen world-wide; and immediately after viewing a movie, their like or dislike of it travels just as fast.
The 90's was an age of unbridled enthusiasm for any property that was coming next. And while Space Jam itself is just a marketing ploy to exploit the popularity of Michael Jordan and the Looney Tunes, you can't deny that as a concept, it is a _lot_ of fun; it's like in the old days when a famous movie mascot would be paired with an athlete in funny, tongue-in-cheek style ads - like when Godzilla played a game of Basketball with Charles' Barkley. I haven't seen commercials that fun or that style in decades now. I think that's why in this day and age, commercials are only seen as things to be skipped; they're not fun anymore and nothing grabs our attention like they used to.
And I think on some level, the original Space Jam lampoons the fact that it's an elongated marketing ploy much better than Space Jam: New Legacy does; the movie really only has a few moments where products like Nike are on display - but there's another scene earlier where Wayne Knight's character literally lists off all the products that Jordan has promoted in his career - and it's done so for laughs. (I think of it a lot like the Product Placement joke from Back in Action - the characters know what it is, but they're gonna enjoy it anyway.)
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
True
While the original 'Space Jam' was a 90's time capsule of cynical marketing, and not exactly the ideal 'Looney Tunes' movie that best represents them, but at least it had some fun with it's basic premise, and was kinda self aware with it. This one looks like a mess that could've worked if was more eager to poke fun at itself. Also, 'The Looney Tunes Show' actually gave Lola more of a personality than what she had in either of those movies.
Space Jam 2's problem is that it's mediocre instead of being so bad it's good like the original. It is a real shame that they reverted Lola back to her Space Jam version. Instead of The Looney Tunes Show version. Or even a hybrid of the two would have been nice.
Even Baby Looney Tunes gave Lola more characterization.
Maybe if they'd cast, I don't know... Shaquille O'Neal, or David Robinson, or any other basketball player who *wasn't* threatening to murder Police officers. Or if they hadn't cancelled Pepe, yet still included the Clockwork Orange gang and The Mask; who are guilty of the same exact thing they cancelled Pepe for.
During the first parts of the film (i.e. the ones where Bugs and LeBron are journeying to get the others), I was like "Oh, they're referencing other franchises. Great!", but then as the movie progresses, I was a bit disappointed that that's what they kept doing on and on...
I mean, I really love Looney tunes, but I agree that their usual "dynamics" were missing from the film. Tbh, the only ones I felt excited about during the "Basketball" arc of the movie was when the Looney tunes become 'looney' again, when they're in-character, but those were just a brief moment.
Other than that, I agree with what most other people say: "You can replace the Looney tunes in this film with any other franchise and it won't make much of a difference". I observed this in many instances. Why are Granny, Sylvester, and Tweety Bird at different locations when most of the time, they are supposed to be together? Marvin could've fit perfectly with Daffy and Porky in the DC world, yet they left him out. If they managed to keep Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner's dynamic throughout the film, why didn't they keep the others' too?
I also kinda have an issue with not having enough Looney tunes. Where's Witch Hazel, Pete Puma, Barnyard Dawg, Melissa Duck, Petunia Pig while Gossamer is in the film (not that I don't like him, it's just unfair that the others were left out))? There's also that 'controversial' character. I mean, if they can insert various franchises into the movie, why did they have to leave out a lot of the Looney Tunes cast in the process? :(
TL; DR: A lot of the Looney Tune characters' dynamics with each other (which made them distinct) are missing from the film, making them removable/replaceable characters from their own franchise movie, and it's really disappointing. :(
you mean Pepe Le Pew?
I felt like they should’ve used Lola’s personality from the Looney Tunes show, where she isn’t that bright and unaware but is very supportive. She pretty much fits with the rest of the cast there.
I'm not a fan of that version of her personally. Way too obnoxious. I'm glad they didn't. Plus, I believe they intended her to be the "Girl Power!" character. Imagine the Twitter backlash from having her be the stereotypical blonde.
@@jjbarajas5341 Oh God!! "Twitter backlash"!! F off. EVERY f'ing show now has a corporate-mandated "Girl Power" character, who is perfect and perfectly OP. Which wouldn't be nearly so bad if they didn't tip their hand by emasculating, degrading and humiliating every existing male character.
@@jjbarajas5341 At least The Looney Tunes Show version had a personality. The Space Jam 1 and 2 version definitely does not. They could have compromised and combined the two if they wanted.
@@NewCanada Ehh agree to disagree. Space jam 1 was her debut and she had a strong personality from what lithe there was to see. Looney Tunes show was very good but her personality was basically over the top, slightly crazy dumb blonde. Which I *guess* is a personality? Space jam 2.. she seemed fine? Nothing to write home about, just like the rest of the movie! Er, nostalgia cash grab!
My suspension of disbelief was broken when the kid said that he single handedly created an online game where he used a smart phone to scan people as playable characters.
Even the Algo g was surprised.
@@rowantic6539 I can accept bugs and the toons coming to life. But that is simply too much! What a dumb idea!
@@bryantan492 i know right? That there is a Warner Bros cyberSPACE on a server is more believable than scanning in people at this moment. Maybe in 10 years because i can see this happen in the future. But not like that.
@@bryantan492 Do you know what photogrammetry is? Something which you can,indeed do with your phone.
@@Komfo_Adu does it include scanning attributes such as speed, durability, offence, defence capabilities?
7:15 The Looney Tunes shows does a pretty good job but they reimagined the characters and world while keeping the spirit of the Looney Tunes. Also Lola has a personality and bounces off Bugs in a way that makes their relationship feel balanced.
It's like Warner saw what a dud Wreck It Ralph 2 was and said, "Let's do that, but crank all the references to our other properties up by 100."
'the Looney Tunes Show' featured Lola Bunny, as voiced by Kristen Wig, and she is really fun as a crazy girlfriend type.
I love Lola bunny 💕
She’s my favourite Lola Bunny!
She wouldn't fit this movie at all. Imo
@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 not saying to use that version of Lola in the movie; I'd rather she has some kind of personality than not.
Don Cheadle’s acting carried this movie the way MJ carried the Toon Squad in the original
This movie made don Cheetle seem like a bad actor
@@jg1692 not really his acting was pretty good in this movie
@@jg1692 hate to say it but I agree.
who is don cheadle playing as in this movie? the bad villian?
@@JETS5 yes. He was kinda bad in my opinion but it’s probably the screenwriters’ fault for giving him a bad script because he’s a good actor in other movies.
I watched the movie recently out of morbid curiosity, and I echo just all of your viewpoints with it. I've been telling my friends "Watch this movie solely for Don Cheadle and, against all odds, Wile E. Coyote". Al G. Rhythm is just exactly what you expect from a tech-based villain in a post-2020 movie, Don Cheadle just leans into the role and completely owns it, and any scene where he was involved was guaranteed to be a good one. And for some reason, Wile E. is the only character who feels like he's still operating under his classic cartoon sensibilities. Everyone else is just a weird homunculus of poses, catchphrases, and references, but Wile E. gets a scene where he debuts a bonkers Acme contraption, pours birdseed on it to lure the Roadrunner over to hit the button super-fast, help the team out by using it to shoot multiple basketballs, and then gets his comeuppance when he gets greedy and tries to use it as a chance to catch the Roadrunner and falls for his own prank. That is, part and parcel, exactly how a Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner cartoon goes. It's like one really dedicated Wile E. Coyote fan got to get their scene in the movie while everything else got cut. Porky, Foghorn, Sylvester, Tweety, Yosemite, all of these characters exist to say or do one thing that you know them for and then step into the background for Bugs, Lola, and MAYBE Daffy (who's zany antics really just focus around him being an asshole more than anything else).
Lola is such a big sticking point because she's literally just Space Jam 1 Lola, who was a boring character who's only real point of interest was she was a new Looney Tune which was novel, and on top of that, she was a girl, and she was serious about the game. So she was kind of a straight man, except...she never really played off anyone, she was just better than them and did her own thing. Then comes the Looney Tunes Show, and she's got a whole new personality; she's fully wacky and goofy, to the point where even Bugs and Daffy have to serve as the straight man to her antics. While still kind of cookie-cutter, this was at least more memorable (I've watched the scene where she calls Bugs and hits him with her car like fifteen times). Then Space Jam 2 reverts her to Space Jam 1 Lola. Is it possible that LTS Lola would've caused concerns because her wackiness would've been seen as ditziness, and as one of the only female Looney Tunes, she inadvertently becomes representative of her entire gender in a weird way? Like, would having the only significant female Looney Tune (sorry Granny) be a total ditz read poorly as "this is just how women be"? Possibly, which is why I think SJ2 Lola is generic but competent because when you only have one girl, it's more important to show her succeeding than it is showing her being silly, even when she's literally a cartoon.
Regarding Lola in the Wonder Woman setting while Daffy and Porky are in the greater DC universe: I honestly think it's as simple, and depressing, as this: "Lola is the girl Looney Tune, so she has to be in a setting where a woman is the main hero, buuuuut we don't really have any of those, so we're gonna remove Wonder Woman from the DC universe and make her her own thing so Lola has somewhere to be". On top of that, the DC setting is specifically DC Animated, and I think the Wonder Woman setting is supposed to be _the movie._ Notice how both of the important scenes where the character refuses Bugs' offer (Daffy and Lola) are both animated settings, while the ones who are pretty accepting of the idea immediately are spliced into live-action movies. The character having to be convinced means their scene has to be longer, and I think the live-action scenes wouldn't hold up to a longer, more involved scene because they're all using old footage. Daffy's and Lola's scenes get to have new stuff created whole cloth for them. So they wanted Wonder Woman the movie for Lola, because remember girl power, but they didn't want to have to splice her in for too long, so they just animated a scene that was clearly meant to be the movie in spirit, which I think is why Wonder Woman simply _will not stop moving_ during her scene, because she's gesticulating like an actual actor might. It's extremely distracting.
Daffy actually had a couple of animated pieces wherein he semi crossed to the super hero world. First was a short called stooper duck wherein he spoofed 🦸♂️. Next would be late 90s if not the 2000s where Warner Brothers gave his duck dodgers character his own half hour series. In one episode there was a costume mix-up at the old dry cleaners and daffy got the green lantern's costume and 💍 while the lantern got his space suit. The green loonturn would go on to be a funny Easter egg/unlockable in batman 3 beyond Gotham.
They should have just taken Lola's personality from The Looney Tunes Show. Bring back Kristen Wiig to voice her too. They completely fixed her character there and she's one of the absolute best parts of the show
Would’ve been funny if they did a multiverse thing and they got the Lola from that show.
Hell no, the fact they used Lola's personality from the original Space Jam is the only redeeming quality about this movie. The personality Sam Register
gave Lola for the Loony Tunes show is that of a blond joke taken to extreme levels. She was turned from a badass to an idiot desperate for Bug's 8===D .
Perhaps the reason you like what happened to Lola is because you wish a female would act that way towards you? Let me tell you, clingy obsessive types don't end well and they will end up chasing all your friends away because they want you all to themselves.
"...but Daddy I *LOVE* him!" Lmao
@@TheZombiesAreComing I think Sam Register made a good call, she fits right in as a Looney Toon. Perhaps the reason you dont like what happened to Lola is because you act that way and are now self-aware?
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The reason the previous Lola was great is because she was a competent badass and actually got shit done, she would have been better off being a one time character instead of what happened to her afterwards. The Loony Tune show version of her is in heat 24/7, constantly wants Bug's D, and is all the blond memes combined.
And I am not joking about her being in heat 24/7
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I told you the exact reason and you instead make your own BS. For you to deflect like that most likely means I am most likely correct in you wishing for women to behave that way towards you.
I really miss those old looney toons. Think I'll go watch some later.
There was a small, one screen theater in the town I lived in as a kid. My brother and I caught a matinee once that when the movie was over they played an hour of old bugs bunny cartoons. I had seen most of them before but were still great to watch on that big screen, cracked us up.
It’s Tunes
Not Toons
People should just watch ‘Looney Tunes: Back in Action’.
yep, and it was definitely deserve more attention
This is so disheartening.
Everything about it. And that it's actually telling a true story.
I work in a Big4 company and we were introduced to software that processes lots of data. Our assignment was to design the most successful movie ever. And I was disgusted to see that the result was a new Harry Potter movie; something that makes no sense since the story is over. And that's exactly what Space Jam 2 is about : just the creation of a movie, irrespective of logic, of art, of beauty. A movie designed by a machine... An algorithm, just to make money.
That's our reality now. 💔
My Wonder Woman theory is that sequence was supposed to be set in the Patty Jenkins live action Wonder Woman world, as the score and design are from the WW movies. I wonder if Covid prevented them from shooting it live, with the animated Lola inserted, and, this is what we got in it's place.
You wanna know something random about that scene? Wonder Woman was voiced by Rosario Dawson...
@@stormtraitor6545 she also voiced Batgirl in the lego Batman movie
@@stormtraitor6545 She's played Wonder Woman in all but two of her appearances in the direct-to-video animated movie series based on the "New 52" comics. [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Animated_Movie_Universe#Recurring_cast_and_characters]
What went wrong? Simple. They caught lightning in a bottle with the original Space Jam and then 25 years later decided to try and cash in on people's nostalgia for the first one. It's just the same old, same old with these constant sub-par sequels/spin-offs of beloved movies/franchises/properties.
Your analyses are getting better and better. Keep growing Captain, you genuinely make me appreciate media more
LeBron James does a dab in this movie they use THE "YAY" SOUND EFFECT THERE IS BIG CHUNGUS
I am literally dying not from laughter but from cringe
they might as well have made al gea rhythm do a troll face
Big Chungus was actually not meant to be Big Chungus: the animator had no idea that Big Chungus was a meme. He said so on Twitter.
@@gantz22ify It was previously used in the "World of Mayhem" app, so it has kinda become part of the lore.
Well yet again it’s a kids movie and they find this stuff funny probably not the dab but the other stuff yea
I'll reluctantly take dabbing over flossing. Was there any flossing? I'm not wasting my time watching to find out.
@@kolonarulez5222 nope no flossing surprisingly seeing as how most kid movie from this year and last year had the floss dance
I would like the record to show that this movie actually rips off a rip off of Space Jam. There's an old episode of Futurama titled "Time Keeps on Slipping" which in itself was a reference to the Seal version of the song "Fly Like an Eagle" from Space Jam (great song by the way, simply beautiful). In that movie the Planet Express gang has to help the professor outfit a group of genetically engineered mutants to engage in a basketball game against some extraterrestrial Harlem Globetrotters. Not only is a great parody of Space Jam, but it accomplishes that in half an hour. Also, one of the mutants is a humanoid spider, which is exactly what SJ2 has. So not only is this movie ripping off every other WB property, but they're actually ripping off a 20th Century Fox property as well. Bunch of hacks.
And that was one of the best Futurama episodes. Professor Farnsworth even attempts to throw a chair a la Bobby Knight. It's great stuff.
@@SamtheBravesFan Sadly, an ever-growing part of the audience doesn't know much of anything that existed before 2010. Pathetic.
That some creativity bankrupt right there pog
Fly like an eagle is actually a cover but a cover done so well the you think the cover artist is the original one. Thanks for reminding me of another artist for my all time favorite covers list.
@@wendyokoopa7048 Both the original by the Steve Miller Band and the Space Jam cover by Seal are amazing songs. What's great is each version has it's own feel.
Trying to do their best “Into The Spiderverse” animation by putting Lola in a separate comic book instead of DC world 🧠
The only problem with this movie is that a bunch of miserable adults are comparing a movie meant for children to films that are supposed to be movie award worthy. If you ask any kid they love the film.
@Louise Sea Kids movies aren’t meant for you genius, that’s the point. Ask any little kid out there and they’ll tell you they loved Space Jam, but when over analytic adults like you get involved you wanna bring up the acting, lack of this or that, when this movie clearly wasn’t meant for you.
@Louise Sea Btw, the Looney Tunes are cartoon characters, you talking about how they’re supposed to act is exactly why they didn’t make this movie for you.
@Louise Sea Kids absolutely love the movie, so the opinion of you weird adults doesn’t matter.
@Louise Sea Not that bad of a film, space jam from the 90’s is way worse. You people just need to get over yourselves, this movie was #1 it’s opening week for a reason, because kids don’t care about your opinion.
Either way. Hearing about Lola's portrayal is heartbreaking. I watched the Space Jam movie on loop when I was a kid. Except I actually had to rewind the tape all the way back because it was the VHS era. Lola worked really well in the first movie, even if she wasn't much of a Loony Tune even then. I never understood why anyone would claim that Lola Bunny has no personality; She's cocky, she's competent, she's low-key into Bugs, but also wants Bugs to work for it.
Since then, her character has had so many appearances elsewhere. Lola Bunny is to Space Jam what Harley Quinn is to the Batman Animated Series; Something works about her to the point that she's been reimagined several times since then. I kind of like the new look she got; Sex appeal can be part of a character's a personality, but in a second outing, you can do more. And from what it looks like, they took away something that shouldn't have been there, but they also didn't evolve the character further despite having plenty of material. Like, she doesn't have to be the stalker-ish Lola from some series, but having a similar dynamic with Bugs focused on how they work as a Loony couple would have been interesting to see.
I'm personally really sad to hear that their personalities weren't carried over from the series that turned the characters into like, a SitCom? that was such a good show and they all really did bounce well off each other in it.
They missed an opportunity to make the Green Loontern have a triumphant return in the DC world
But Superman was more marketable so they just “had to” do that instead.
@@Alec11_43 I actually think that having Daffy aping Superman made sense given the setup; since the scene was a riff on the shorts where Daffy is the incompetent hero and Porky the able sidekick (e.g. the "Duck Dodgers" stories, "Robin Hood Daffy," "Drip-Along Daffy," etc.), the Superman and Jimmy Olson act was a good fit, not to mention Daffy tying to live up to the DC hero perceived as the greatest (granted, Batman and Robin might've been a slightly better fit had Bugs and LeBron not claimed that, but somehow the selfish Daffy trying to be one of the most selfless superheroes seems inherently funnier). All that said, I won't deny that I did miss the Green Loontern being referenced in the movie.
@@sethboyum7420 Seth I've made my own post about this but I'll type it here. In 1956 Warner Brothers released and marketed a daffy duck short entitled stupor duck in which daffy does a parody of Superman.
"with LeBron James taking over for Michael Jordan" aaaand I'm out
Lee Bron "commie" James
I don't even see how you call him a commie. He's a neolib at best.
@@rifatalam8294 he simps for the ccp
That he does, but it's purely out of his own personal wealth interest. That sound "commie" to you? That's the most American thing he can do.
And there's a Michael Jordan "Joke" scene aka the worst joke scene i ever seen
@captainmidnight To answer your question about why Lola Bunny was boring if useless in this film has many answers. The first is because the director hated how Lola was portrayed in the original in a EW article regarding Lola's new design. Even hated her wearing a crop-top, seriously a crop-top! That's not all, Lee even said Lola was treated more like eye candy to young males instead of focusing that Lola was a strong female character despite her design. Lola's new design is mostly based on the Looney Tunes Show design which made Lola look more like a teen than an adult which I covered in my own video about the subject matter. With this new version of Lola which Lee called her "The New Lola" needed be less "eye candy" and focus more on being character which Lola already was so it was just excuse from Lee to censor who Lola was because of listen to the so-called strong females of the WNBA which is just as problematic as the NBA itself. So what if young males, and females would be furries due to their crush on the Lola Bunny. What other female character hasn't regardless of being a furry or not. The second is Lee's reasons were nothing more than sexist attack on Lola and her personality due to these insecure women who felt "offended" Lola had breast and shape which was grounds for Lola to be censored in both the Looney Tunes Show and Space Jam 2. For the third reason why Lola was in the Woman Woman world was so the director could say that Lola doesn't need someone like Bugs Bunny getting in the way of her being a strong woman which she already was with the original Space Jam which the director intentionally forgot about. Despite Bugs saving Lola from the MonStars, Lee focused his eyes on making a political statement with the character instead of focusing on what made Lola great in the beginning. Even going as far as placing Lola's original voice actress Kath Soucie with someone like Zendaya in order to make the message stick about Lola going from feminine to feminist. All and all, this film is mess and Lola is sadly another causality like Teela and Sonya Blade of the sexist bs to continue the war on sex, culture, and society, need I say more?
the part of you mentioning how they were turned into 3D, it's no surprise why they did it and that still disappoints me because I do miss Movies like these where they were 2D, hand drawn animations.
The talk about how Lola Bunny could have been a chaotic and hilarious element too hits hard seeing as we know she really can be thanks to the Looney Tunes Show
I would have loved it if they used that version of Lola she was a really developed character and had personality.
But believe it or not, there are people who dislike that version of Lola
@@virgiliomartinezerickson8044 that's a shame but even then it need not be THAT version of Lola. There just needs to be *an interesting version* of Lola and she is just proof it can be done
The Looney Tunes weren't made for kids. They were made for everyone, and for the own fun of the animators. Chuck Jones said it himself "we never did it for kids".
Wish you had mentioned Tex Avery and Friz Freleng too
Escreve for their own fun em vez de for their own pleasure
@@Shiketaum Thanks, I made the change
It makes sense because there's so much adult content subtly hidden in the cartoons that just goes over kids heads, it's like Spongebob..
@@Eternaldarkness3166 And don't forget Rocko's Modern Life.
People will love this because...nostalgia. Reminds me of all the "not another" movies.
Everytime I see the Iron Giant, I'm reminded that any possible sequel now, will be atrocious.
How do they send the Looney Tunes to the DC universe and not bring up Duck Dodgers?
Duck dodgers is from back in action, I’m pretty sure they’re different movies
@@supermariochan1303 Duck Dodgers existed for a while before Back in Action, but even then he's still Daffy's super hero alter ego, so it's kind of a missed opportunity.
And Darkwing Duck
@@DoomBowser64 Darkwing duck is Disney
Even better idea: have him be Samurai Quack.
Space Jam 2 in itself is like if we are as an adults thinks we can still live in the past and be happy. But it’s not, it’s an illusion that Warner Bros executive think they want us to be (happy in our own bubble, while they think that they are better than you).
I had an anurizm reading this
"I'd be surprised if people were talking about space jam 2 next month"
I literally had already forgotten about this movie already until you posted this lol
It gets even darker when you realize that Flags of Our Fathers and Letters From Iwo Jima are also Warner Bros properties. That must mean there’s a world where the Battle of Iwo Jima is happening continuously for eternity.
Early Warner Brothers cartoons weren't made for kids. They might have been kid friendly (usually) but they definitely weren't made for kids.
Indeed. Subtle sex jokes and cross-dressing was edgy in the 1940s. And they were shown in theaters.
“Here we show you a close-up of a frog croaking.”
*frog pulls out gun and shoots itself*
It’s a sequel to Space Jam. That might have been the first problem in hindsight
*@Ben Wasserman* it's not a sequel to the first one, which is why it's not called Space Jam 2
@@eyewatch2see77 It's a sequel, otherwise why Lola and Bugs remember it?
@@memesjack3615 when jordan was expected to do the actual *sequel* in the 90's, he declined .. THAT would've been THE SEQUEL ... which is EXACTLY why this one is NOT titled space jam 2
25 years later, it's * A NEW LEGACY* .. duh!! ...
this version places emphasis on *hardcore gaming* VIA algorithm (which is popular these days)
the underlying message had to do with FATHER & SON ... along with details of *friendships that denote FAMILY* which is WHY it captured the biography of Lebron, the Looney Tunes story *and* all Warner Bros. catalogues.
Chuck Jones is completely right about Space Jam. Awesome video, dude. It shows that kids are not that dumb and do love classic animations like WB Cartoons Looney Tunes. Do Centaurworld from Netflix Next.
0:12 That is OK. I never thought Space Jam was an untouchable classic either, but it sure almost looks like one in comparison to A New Legacy. It was a fun brand exercise that was enjoyable to watch, the amalgamation of Michael Jordan with Looney Tunes almost a decade after we saw them in another live action-animation hybrid along with Walt Disney's characters, Who Framed Roger Rabbit. October 16, 2021, 1:33pm
I tried to imagine how awesome this movie could have been. I never imagined how terrible it could be and never imagined it could be this bad. I was making a whole bunch of 3D models to make a parody of this movie but I can't now. It would be like making a parody of the movie "The Room" you can't!
Fun fact: The 3D model of the Iron Giant in the film is a reuse of the Iron Giant from Ready Player One. It has the same repair customizations from that movie but now with no plot related reason for it to have those repair marks
OK but you guys are not. mentioning the SEX APPEAL of Lola Bunny... and also, the sex appeal of that snake woman, she's SO HOT!!
Still pissed they took out Pepe Le Pew and Penelope, but I the movie was still OK story wise.
Why? Is Pepe really that funny to you? Or is it for the sake of "principle"?
@@tyrian9471 lol why did a harmless comment upset you so badly?
@@anthonyhertlein4629 It's not that it specifically upset me, it's more that I've seen this sort of comment a number of times since they announced Pepe would be retired/featured less and it baffles me.
Did people really think highly of Pepe or are they only defending him because he's an outdated joke that doesn't play well anymore? I always saw him as one of the weaker Tunes, so he wasn't a big loss.
Pepe is a legacy character, a product of his era. He could’ve been easily updated for modern times, but they took the easy way out & ignored his existence
@@tyrian9471 Why did he have to be removed or did he really trigger you people that much?
0:53 I had that shirt Joey is wearing back in the day…It’s a Lucky Brand shirt
Feels like WB has recently gotten into the habit of trying to show off as many properties as they can possibly cram into one movie. They did it with Batman V. Superman, Scoob, now Space Jam 2. At least the first two examples they stayed within the respective universes the movies took place in, but this was just absolutely all over the place
The amount of times Bugz calls LeBron Doc becomes fairly annoying
I feel like there's an actually interesting plot if they focused on the "big corporate entity takes these unique beings from their home planet/world and puts them in a big interconnected conglomerate"
Show the toons as they were at the end of space jam 1, doing their toon thing - have the algorithm literally Seek Out another basketball player to try and forcefully recreate space jam 1. But in the end it's about revitalizing the Toons spirit/toon-ness, and breaking free of the corporate stranglehold of the algorithm.
Like, you can still do a funny kids movie, but expand on the commentary elements of it to make it Good
Thank you.
Have the in-universe audience be incredulous at the fact they greenlit Space Jam 2, hell, even commentate that this has been done before to middling success (they're choking down a third one with Dwayne Johnson next and I'm just like, "God no. Put it down.") and that they're trying to do something that only worked a grand total of once, under the right conditions. The goddamn stars had to align for the first one to happen.
First off, this was better than the first.
Second, it didnt look like flash animation. Just compare it to Disney's new Mickey Mouse.
Third, the 3d models were stunning, far better than Sonics and seeing them that way was cool.
Fourth, I know it's kind of like an add, but seeing all the characters cross over is awesome.
Fifth, Lola's character growth happens through the Looney Tines Show. She was wacky but as it goes she becomes agile and more strong willed.
Sixth, the characters are all actors and it is blatantly shown in all the media, the looney tunes show being one of the only canon looney tunes material. That's why the relations between character seen off.
Seventh, the reason Granny did that kick is because it's a reference, in the looney tunes show she says she was a spy in ww2. That's how she is able to do that.
This movie was great and nothing can change my mind.
and how about the Micheal Jordan "joke" scene?
I was planning to watch this movie, but then I heard it wasn't that good so I changed my mind. I'm glad I did it, after watching this video. The original Space Jam may not be a cinematic masterpiece, but I'm still very fond of it and I'd rather not ruin my memories of it.