Double Rocker: Inline Skate Experiment
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2019
- Yo, Skate Fam. In this Episode I try the "Double Rocker" thanks to a gift from City Blades! This vlog will tell you about my experience with a deep rocker setup on the front wheel and what I think about it. Huge thanks to Drew Patton for gifting me a set of wheels!
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Boom! I knew you’d like it. Thanks for the shout out 🙂
Thanks for the wheels! :D
Looks good, easy to see the benefits for dancy skating, and smooth surfaces. I don't yet own a rockerable frame, but I do have fun with the 76/80/80/76mm banana rocker. This definitely looks like an ice skating curve.
It's such a interesting setup, I guess on rough ground you've really got to ride your heels more than you would normally.
I'm a endurance blader I've been skating for a year now and i wear Macroblade 84abt and 90's. I rocked 84s in the front and the 90s in the back,went on a quick half mile test run and loved it. I have so much more controll now even at high speeds. I was always Leary of rocking my wheels until now, I wish I have done it sooner
I like this. I tried rockerd sets and went downhill. BAD IDEA!! I'll deffinately try the double rockerd
very nice! would this set up then be the closet one to ice skates? thanks
I'm currently skating on a 231mm frame with 72/76/76/72. I've only been skating in my neighborhood since I don't drive so I definitely do skate over rocks and bumps etc. Not really many smooth open spaces to skate except empty sidewalks. You think it would be worthwhile to try 68mm for the front wheel. Is it a big difference from a standard banana rocker?
Have you ever heard of viiroll skates?
It has 4 or 6 wheels and the 6 wheels have a built-in rocker. Usually only 2 or max 4 wheels touches the ground at the same time.
It's like a quad and inline hybrid. It wobbles but it's very stable.It's not widespread. I wonder what a pro skater thinks about is, because I never met anyone beside myself who had one.
If you actually lower the back wheel rocker you'll end up with Lino's African rocker (The Wizard frame 'equivalent' rocker), just on way smaller wheels
I found this vid very useful actually. I was going to try something very similar. I swapped my kids toe and heel wheels with led light up wheels. So, I have these 4 extra wheels...
But, they are 64mm 😂😂
Seeing those 80mm with that one 72mm you did...
I don't think I will bother with the 64-80-80-64 line up I was going to try 🤣
Or...
Maybe I will anyways! Why not!
Yes i kept leaning forward when i rockered mine. But my turns and spins look like a pro. Not good for just vibe skating. For that i would keep them all one size.
I've been to Lone Wolf Ranch... I sure hope his water isn't coming from there because it wasn't good.
How much better do you think these would do if the axle of he second wheel was directly under the ball of the foot? It looks like the axle of the rear wheel is already perfectly under the heel's balance point, so the only way you could really do it right is to use bigger wheels all around like 90s. So like, a 4x90 natural rocker setup with an 80 or 84 on the front? Do you think that would alleviate the toe-dipping issue when street skating?
The problem with the whole setup is really a major difference in the way the ice skate is built versus the way urban inlines are built. The answer is that it’s virtually impossible to truly emulate an ice figure skate with an inline frame, but even if you manage to get close, the ice skate blade is built by individual sizes, specifically for the purpose of having every individual size of boot match with its respective blade size. Mount systems like Trinity, 165, UFS can’t be produced in that same way because every boot size is meant to fit the 165 frame. This frame I’m using in the video is made with a 243mm wheelbase, but it is expected to go on every boot in that mount system no matter whether a size 5 skate or size 12 skate. The experience each skater has with this frame is completely different for every boot size. Let’s assume this size 9 boot I have is perfect with this frame and has the second wheel directly under the ball of the foot. That will not be the case for a size 8 and lower, or size 10 and higher. Whereas with an ice figure skate, the balance point in back will ALWAYS be past the heel and the rocker will ALWAYS be directly under the ball, no matter the size.
now im skating 76-80-80-76 and skated 80-80-80-76, i'll try this more extreme solution described in your video 80 80 80 72
It's important to note that I am skating with a rockered frame already, so 4x80mm wheels on my frame is the same as 76/80/80/76 on a standard flat frame. If you do 72/80/80/80 on a flat frame it will not have the same effect.
How are 76-80-80-76 and 80-80-80-76? Details on each one please, I’m deciding which wheels to get
Can i rocker 110mm with 100mm?
Could you do this on triskates? Back 2 90mm front 80mm?
Probably not good. It'll be like having a JR quad skate frame on an adult boot. Just speculating.
Have you ever skated on a hi-lo rocker like a Bauer inline hockey skate has?
I have, but it’s been a long time. There are a few variations of the Hi Lo setup, and I haven’t used them all, but the ones I have used I’m not a real big fan of.
If I’m a beginner would the rocker set up be good for transitioning into turns and even breaking? I’ve never skated until recently and I’m learning to. I attempted to do 80mm in the middle and 70mm in front and back. Downside is I feel like I have little control. Might do the 70mm in front and 80mm in middle and back.
Try 76/80/80/76. That’s a standard 2mm rocker. It will make that skate more agile. The rocker in this video is a bit more advanced. If you’re just starting I’d go with a standard banana rocker.
@@DeezSkates is 76/80/80/76 save for little downhill?
I tried this set up by accident because I forgot to turn the fourth screw of my fr3 and I liked it. In my opinion is a mix of agility and stability. What do you think guys?
ive been thinking of making my rocker a little deeper (currently 76,80,80,76), i was wondering, what that would feel like as 72,80,80,76? Would that combine the best of both worlds, or would it be a recipe for disaster? lol
Shawn Hollern that’s effectively what this is. 4mm front 2mm back
Yeah. I am using a rockered frame so the center two wheels sit lower than the other two. With a flat frame this would be 72/80/80/76.
@@DeezSkates awesome. I didn't catch the part in the video about it being a rockered frame, so when I heard 3 80s, i was a bit confused as to why that was. It all makes sense now. ^_^
I'll definitely have to give it a try. My transitions are already pretty good with my current setup, but I feel they'd be nuts with that slight drop in size in the front.
I'll definitely give this a try. :D
Awesome, going to give this a try also on a flat frame so it will be the 72,80,80,76 setup for me :D
have you tried 80/84/84/80?
It looks like you had your Helios laced too tight in the upper part and they were restricting your forward flex. Look at the amount of forward flex you were able to achieve in the parking lot at 3:30 and then later with the Helios at 4:34 - you were getting too easy/fast on your front wheel around the cones. Also, this is a classic ice hockey skating clinic reason of messed up sprints/strides you experienced = laces too tight in the upper part. I hope you're not tying your hockey skates a la Bill Stoppard czcams.com/video/Pkfudw3oeho/video.html but more something like this czcams.com/video/LpMwF1RMZaw/video.html (but flex only about 65-75% when tying the upper part) :)
What you’re seeing here is due to the frames feeling awful on the Helios. It’s too sticky and not stable because the heel is flat. I lace my Evos much tighter at the top than the Helios. I just can’t put enough pressure forward to get that amount of flex because of the unstable feel.
@@DeezSkates It's precisely why the lack of heel height must be compensated with proper forward flex. The hockey stance is supposed to be lower/deeper on your knees/ankles.
The Evo is an [ankle] articulated boot (a.k.a. 'ski boot'), can't compare them with the Helios or any other one piece hockey boot. On the Evos the carbon bit stops right above the articulation whereas on the Helios it goes right to the top. So the Helios is way much stiffer in the upper part. You can tie the Evos (or any other articulated boot) as hard as you possibly can, it won't affect your forward flex that much, whereas tying a modern top specs hockey boot a la Gretzky - czcams.com/video/csgMrdIa0Uk/video.html (they were soft boots at the time) is like casting your foot in cement:) Try tying the laces as I suggested on the Helios and flex your ankles a bit more on your moves, it won't cost you anything.
I'm old school. When I learned to skate, the 'old' guys said the articulated boots were for wimps and I kind of inherited that. Skating on hockey boots is much more demanding and not for everyone - that's why I like them. But don't mind me..:)
I get what you’re saying, I just mean that there isn’t much that can be done to make this rocker match the Helios well. And even if I laced them up less I still couldn’t get enough stability to lean forward that far. On my normal frame setup the Helios flex nicely and loosen a bit as I skate to allow more flex, but with this rocker... a hockey boot just doesn’t work. The heel sits too low to allow fluid motion in combination with how deep the front rocks.
Awesome product.....shit name though
quads are better than inlines. Change my mind
I love them both equally, but I have skated in quads longer than any other. Learning inlines will make you better in quads than you can be without learning inlines. 😉
@@DeezSkates I agree. I am infact better in my inlines than I am in my quads, but the ability to dance an express myself gives quads massive points for me.