How to Make REALISTIC MIDI Strings
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 22. 08. 2024
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Iâm currently in the mindset that I have to prove to myself that Iâm dedicated and passionate enough to spend money on production. I think a lot of people would save a lot of money in general with production if they took this approach. The best producers for years including videos of Nathan saying Gear doesnât equal good. A professional can make great music on GarageBand and a noob canât figure out how to unlock logic to begin with. I do however think buying lessons is a good investment if you feel passionate and arenât even necessarily invested yet! A home studio can be upwards of thousands, and you can drop a couple hundred on production lessons and get way more use out of the studio in the end!!
So if itâs not too late for you guys and your wallets, I definitely would get some lessons, my only fear is can most teachers get the core lessons across even if somebody is learning on iOS garage band or working in bandlab? Or do you need to find a teacher with the same daw for the best results
You should check out the Spitfire Symphony Orchestra - it's a steal right now and WAY better sounding.
That strings overlap technique is priceless. Thank you VERY much. I use Spitfire audio free edition. I like it.
You can also add an ensemble playing the main chords and very lightly blend it into that part time make it sound even bigger
When you put the 'modulation' more down it will sound even better. I have the same library but not quite convinced with the example you gave us...
OMG THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU
This might be better or worse depending on your situation, but if you know someone who can play these instruments and have a way to record them, I think its SOO worth the extra work and effort compared to the end results! MIDI can be really good or really bad but if you have a good string player it's always just THAT much better to have the real thing instead of MIDI. Again, I understand not everyone has access but some people do and they still don't utilize that in any way shape or form, so this is to them! Great Video btw!
This is a string section comprising violins, violas and cellos (and optionally double bass - not sure if he used that; usually I imagine in pop it wouldn't be used). Yes real instruments recorded well, played well and perfectly in time always sound great, but that's unrealistic in almost all cases (money, time, hassle; and why should "a mate/a friend" who has practised for 1000s of hours for probably a decade or more, play for you for free or for peanuts?) certainly for the kinds of ppl watching this video.
Yo Nathan! Great vid! I believe you could also achieve that âoverlappingâ sound by setting your attack and release times within the vst.
Which vsts allow you to do that? If so how? I use spitfire Hans Zimmer strings (may not have it)
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Legendary. Thanks man.
Really appreciate this one. planning to throw together some strings with the NI cremona quartet in one of my pieces. Their legato and vibrato are fantastic. Definitely tracking each instrument separately. Going to use session strings pro on a slightly larger sound tune as well.
I love the ending velocity slide
Thank you, I can tell you actually have experience with real string players so this is super super helpful for musicians on a budget!
Yes bro good stuff
youre a life saver!!!!!
thank you soo much!!!
Could you also do a tutorial ike this with orchestral music please???
I'd also recommend vienna symphonic library "synchron strings pro" and orchestral tools "berlin strings". they're a bit more expensive but i have the synchron strings pro and they are probably the most hyperrealistic orchestral midi strings i have ever heard. also native instruments Cremona quartet in my opinion is unrivaled for solo strings.
I've been making orchestral music like this using midi instruments for years now and it's what got me into production so it's interesting to see how other people do it. if you want to make articulations easier logic has built in articulation mapping you can map things to a key switch and then right click on the notes and set the articulation that way. it's a lot quicker and cleaner
I think Logic Pro's instrument libraries should continue getting updates or something. If devs continue with that, the libraries can absolutley shine a lot more.
Thanks, just what I needed. Time to find some in-depth videos on all the spitfire stuff.
Hello from Ukraine. I recently started watching your videos and I really like what you do. Thank you!!
You are not alone :)
Not đŻ sure but I believe you have the option to select multiple articulation styles with the Logic stock library.
You can select any from legato, legato falling, staccato etc
Same with brass
Yes you can but they really don't sound great in my opinion compared to the native instrument or spitfire stuff
Agreed! I think each strings library has through own control, Legato samples are the best when running is needed. Check out my work: thank you, next - Ariana Grande (Orchestra Cover)
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So true. If time=money, the time it takes to make stock strings sound usable would cost more than getting a pack. The East West subscription gives you their entire product range for 299 a year. You can also just buy what you need outright too
Only just starting out,this is invaluable,you are very good,new sub.
Don't nudge the notes like that folks, use negative track delay for this.
5:15 "... I want to also show you how this can actually sound if you do it correctly."
Logic: "meow"
Super helpful video -- thanks so much!
Some great tips in there, thanks!
Thanks for the tips. Great vid!
Thanks Nathan !
I always learn so much watching you. Canât wait to do the Producer Accelerator class
Great! Thank you! What do you think about to play and move fader or a knob to change velocity at the same time?
I think each strings library has through own control, knob normal control the dynamic or vibrato amount. Legato samples are the best when running is needed. Check out my work: thank you, next - Ariana Grande (Orchestra Cover)
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As usual, awesome, efficient video, Nathan.
Thanks. I need more video like this
Brilliant
Awsome James your the best
Great vid Nathan! Thanks for sharing!
I use East West. Itâs really easy to use since they changed to the Opus interface.
really helpful. have wanted this for a while!
What a great damn video! thanks for that!
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Which library would you recommend to spend the money on for better articulations / legato etc?
Love this
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Sir, can you help me. I want to know how is the video editing process? I mean like commenting on project results, or making songs and connecting them with logic. more or less like this video, how to simulate the recording process.. thank you sirđđŒ
Fantastic. Thank you Nathan.
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You should really check out the Cinematic Studio Series libraries! they're by far the best in terms of ease of use and sound, not to mention they're incredibly realistic. I use them as my main orchestral libraries for my work in film and game scoring and I love them to death.
The only downside is they don't have speed. For speed you need something else like Adagio.
@@bengsynthmusic They do. There's 3 different legato speeds (Slow, Medium, Fast) and also the marcato legato which is for fast runs.
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Yes am aware but it's not fast enough for some tasks. When two overlapping notes are very short, the legato will sound wonky. For fast legatos, a dedicated library is needed.
@@bengsynthmusic Not really. They're coming out with a runs update soon.
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0:57 u've forget orchestral tools Berlin strings
Nice tutorial! â€
Also The uvi and ujam strings
Itâs very useful, thank you!
I bought EastWest and it is hard - but their library is the best sounding... I'm soaking up content like this to try to optimize my performances. Thanks a bunch.
EastWest legato is smooth as butter BTW ;)
Are you using the east west play engine or the Opus? The play engine was a pain to learn, but the Opus engine is so much easier, and itâs a free update
So cool bro!
can you please remake billie bossa nova by billie eilish :)
At this point Iâm just watching each of your videos whether it applies to me or not
Dang. Commitment. This is just awesome
Better yet, use a modeling instrument like Swam for the best sounding instruments. Samples just dont cut it.
Great Tutorial and well done.
Perfect â€ïž
BBC Symphony Orchestra by Spitfire is a great free option for amazing strings
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For me it's still the hard stops between every note that kill it. Real strings keep bowing while changing the notes, like a mono synth.
This is really sounds realistic:)
Check out my work: thank you, next - Ariana Grande (Orchestra Cover)
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Don't forget to fade in vibrato, especially when you have longer notes.
isn't the mod wheel CC1 for switching between dynamic layers?
CC7/11 would be volume/expression?
How are you processing (bus) the ensemble? Compression, saturation, EQ, etc??
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Hi Nathan, I noticed that you didn't modify the velocities of the notes, where some were green and others red-hot. Isn't this also a factor to tweak the performance a bit before automating? Or is this different in every string library? Thanks for all your videos, man. Keep it up!
Modulation automation overrides velocity if expression is set the mod cc
@@NathanJamesLarsen Thereâs a different though between velocity and expression. Are you sure your mod wheel overwrites velocity?
Great video! Iâll be doing the course soon. I have a question. I am using session strings pro and canât figure out how to make the modulation etc. editable in Logic. You said there is a setting in Kontakt and I canât find it for the life of me. Any help would be appreciated.
Ngl... I already knew about this except for the part where you need high quality samples.
Amazing strings composition! Do you have any tips to write countermelodies as effortlessly as you do?
Having good ear, and decent amount of theory knowledge.
Great work! Very useful information. I use NI's Session Strings 2, but I can't seem to find a knob that controls the expression or the dynamics. If the dynamics is just volume, then thats not a problem. But what about the expression? Cant see it in Session Strings Pro 2 either. Its possible to automate movement between two types of accent (fx switching between sustain and legato), but thats not exactly the same as automating the expression is it?
Great tips Nathan, is this song available somewhere or is it going to be available, the little snippet we hear sounds awesome. Thanks for sharing!
This is one I wrote more for licensing - working on a collection heavy pop/cinematic tracks that are really dark more for pitching for licensing, so most likely won't be released but im not 100% sure cause I have a video idea with this track... who knows haha
Does anyone know how to access modulation and expression on Ableton?
Kinda beginner question đ ,
Can a string section be written on an instrument with full chords (triads) instead of single harmony lines?
Not totally sure I'm understanding you but if I am - if you want just chords for strings and no moving parts you CAN do it all on one track but you'll still have no control over panning or volume of individual parts. Up to you though
@@NathanJamesLarsen Oh got it, thanks
how can we copy the automatation? thanks
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Hi. how to make realistic midi guitar?
What's your opinion on Arturia's Augmented Strings? Great vid!
Haven't tried them
I'd say it's good for modern band and pop productions.
But not in a more orchestral compositions like the song in the video.
Just my opinion though.
But the sound, I just love it.
Should have listened to more strings player before this lol.
My midi guitars sound like ... cheese. The only good sample I have is the Gilmoure sounding one in EWQL Goliath. Can't use that everywhere...
I always hire a string orchestra, to make it sound more realistic!
why are you eating the microphone?
The mic I'm using is designed for very close proximity.
Pro tip: Don't double your thirds
Pro tip: doubling thirds isn't wrong - it simply destabilizes a triad ;)
Yeah - turns out this dude actually knows theory (cause I got a degree in it ... nice try).
For real though ... doubling thirds is not wrong - unfortunately it's a more nuanced topic than can be had in comments.
But for example - if you have a chord that has the third in the bass (a first inversion chord) then having the third as the top sounding voice would likely not sound great because it draws a high level of attention to the instability of the thirds... however, if you tuck the third in as an inner voicing - it sound good if you have the root or fifth as the highest voice. Just try it ;)
Voicings matter wayyyyy more than your typical theory classes make out and sadly universities don't do a very great job of teaching theory in a way that emphasizes creativity - but instead teaches it like a boring math class. .. again - speaking as a person who literally studied theory at the university level and got a degree in music composition/theory.
In four part harmony, the orthodoxy is not to double a major third, but minor thirds are generally ok. Context and the desired effect should be the guiding factors though.
Hey. I think youâve been spoofed. Look at comment replies
First of all, learn how the instrument is actually be performed
Step 1: make friends with several orchestral string players
Step 2: invite them all for an invent at a place of your choosing
Step 3: abduct yourself an orchestra
Done
Lol yeah- that's def the best... and I also definitely do this. I have done a few videos where I've layered live strings in the studio.
you also gotta record them in a nice room with expensive mics etc...
@@simongregory3114 and you think this is more difficult than abducting an entire orchestra first?
If you're playing a violin over a kick drum, I wouldn't worry too much about it. A kick drum can ruin just about anything.
hey. nathan i loved your track. can you make a video on beats. which is used inn this song.. like a. youtube. shorts. or. proper video