Defender and Redut-M Russian body armor ballistic test - The foreign system with a fatal flaw
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ah yes, because this is a very bad bad video that is clearly harming the community and people around it right
Well you where a bit harsh on the armour. Damn I would be pretty happy to survive most of those ap rounds at that range. Nice video.
#armorlivesmatter
“Specially the neck and crotch protectors”
The ultimate defence against cbt
Spall is just high speed scalpels for cock removal
@@Oxide_does_his_best 😳
It's called the "defender" for a reason, right?
@@Oxide_does_his_best To think about it gives me a phantom pain.
cock and ball torture?
Tarkov players must be glad the dev's haven't added spalling yet lol
Yeah cuz everyone is going to uninstall lol
They need to. If Nikita doesn't add it then game is fun. Nikita stated his goal is to make game not fun.
@@DisgruntledK28 shit bro he just needs go keep wrecking the net code for that lol
@@DisgruntledK28 Nikita wants to make changes that will make Tarkov the hardcore simulator it was supposed to be, he's just too afraid of community backlash from losers on Reddit and Twitter.
@@imgoingberserk5918 I know. I'm just making a joke that GeneralSam made about Tarkov. I enjoy it I just like poking fun at it.
The guys from the CSN FSB, who actually come to search houses in the mountain villages of the Caucasus, prefer steel and titanium. Until now, Altyns and Tig are passed on as samurai swords of a warrior setting off on a mission. There is a certain distrust of modern "plastic" helmets and ceramics, at least among those fighters who have been shot by AK. In addition, the Defender's groin is sometimes also reinforced with a steel plate, which soldiers purchase separately.
Respectable bravery and dedication to tradition, but that's a shitty decision to make as a soldier lol.
Russians are huge boomers. Who could've guessed?
Titanium is not "obsolete" as an armor material by any means, in fact it has some advantages, look into ulbrichts helmets, they still make modern titanium helmets for elite German unit like SEK. The russian Altyn was actually copied from a Swedish design I believe. But yes they are obsolete now. And in any case many "modern" russian helmets are weak knockoffs of ops core that are typically gost 1 or gost 2 in which case the altyn may actually be better or at least offer a face shield.
@@rodiculous9464 titanium is dumb
@@rodiculous9464 You're thinking of Switzerland, not Sweden.
The Kommandostore logo on the tp dispenser skit gave me adult swim vibes
Worth da DHS investigation.
"Oxide, you're catching a cold, please come inside"
"Nyet, I have ballistic vests to shoot"
I got really confused when you said it's 24° and snowing. But then I remembered, that you guys measuring stuff in eaglescreams per footballfield and stuff...
Just as God intended lol
The lords measuring system
Yeah Yankees wanna be different
@@mannfred1440 yep, it's actually rounds of 5.56 per a range though
@@SpoopyTurtle44 ironic considering 5.56 is metric
News: a Russian army officer gets arrested for selling 11 top of the line Russian armour kits.
Oxide: tests Russian armour kits.
Am I the only one seeing a pattern here?!!
Wait what, can you give a link? I can’t find anything about it
These weren't top of the line...
well Defender and Redut are actually the armor systems from 2000-2008. They are cool but already replaced with much modern armor systems that's offer better protection with equal or less weight.
That's not really news, I mean it happens fairly often a lot of suppliers get busted. Do you have the link? I am curious what the armor is. Probably 6b45 I heard they don't like when current gen stuff gets out.
not to be that guy but the stolen armours and kits are army ratnik kits so oxide's all good
2:43 "did I close that squad window?"
Awesome video. That API throwing a fireball :O Thank you again for the opportunity to help you with this!
Funny how the defender is "heavier" than most plate carriers now and yet we still use out awesome 36 pound IOTV. Amazing work DoD.
To be fair, the IOTV is only 36 pounds if fully equipped with the additional armor. With just the vest, front and back plates, it's much less.
And if photos are anything to go off of, most soldiers didn't bother with the additional armor. Most of the time it was just the vest and groint
protector.
@@hewhoplugwalks that's without anything else too. way too heavy
Why don’t they use Kevlar and literally wrap the plate with a few layers like cling film. Then it would cover the front sides and back and prevent a lot of spall
You can they make spall liner you can place infront of a steel plate thats made of Kevlar. Would be cool to have a steel plate wrapped with it though. Might steal your idea man lmao
The Bagary does this, future test, you'll see!
@@forrestallen9354 I’d be interested to know the results!
915 team, a russian gear reviewer did this, he bought soft armor and just wrapped it around a steel plate and taped it up and it worked to stop the spall. Adds a lot of thiccness tho
@@rodiculous9464 715*
The more gondolas Kommandostore sells, the lower oxide's voice goes
Oxide will sound like Corpse Husband within a month at this rate...
@@murmenaattori6 moonman?
@@pedoslayer Indeed.
@@murmenaattori6 you from shamejug server?
@@pedoslayer Nay, sorry don't know what/who shamejug is.
I found this vest on reserve
Wooow
Ok
I hate you so much. Fuck... now I Gatta go play EFT..
I was listening to the NeoTokyo OST when I clicked on this and was wondering why I was still hearing it lmao. "Nimbus" is the best song on that OST though.
NeoTokyo woo yeah
annul is my favorite
TIN SOLDIERS
PAPERHOUSE!
you are a cool guy I hope more people get to listen to Ed Harrison OST, the servers are still up and there is still a small but active community on steam
He’s over here playing the squad menu music
Neat to see. Honestly I never knew defenders were actually steel plates. I thought it was just aramid/ceramic. Good to see these armor reviews
Some do.
Why your voice is so deep.
Sick :(
@@Oxide_does_his_best Get well soon man
Clearly he’s tryna fuccckk boi!
Probably a smoker
Huge balls
This isn't spalling, this is splash. Spalling is fragments of the armor itself coming off the back face. Either way, I have thought about this problem and I think a decent solution would be to take some hardfacing welding rod compatible with w/e manganese steel alloy that is used (in the case of AR500 and similar) and laying a bead around the edge of the strike face, making a lip that would theoretically deflect splash away from the wearer. I doubt it would be measurably detrimental to the plate. It's something I'd like to try out.
The term spalling and splash have really been combined into the same thing when you look at the common language. Nobody calls the extra aramid anti splash.
@@Oxide_does_his_best Just because the colloquial term is the colloquial term doesn't make it right.
@@SuperAWaC I can only care about so much :/
@@Oxide_does_his_bestIf only we had infinite capacity to care
You’re living the dream, man. Great video as always, I absolutely love soaking up all this info.
These armor and helmet tests are neat to watch, thanks for another great vid.
Dang. Just gone done watching a bunch of your videos. Got some water came back and there’s a new one. Let’s gooooo
Absolutely loved the video especially the skits in-between too, hope you are having a great day!
Gets 3 hits in the same spot - oh after 3 hits in the same spot it started spalling - yeah, ceramics after 3 shots dont spall - 3rd shot just goes through... the 2nd plate on your back... and hits someone behind you. I am really NOT a fan of steel plates (not only cause of spalling/fragmentation but also cause of ricochates) Redut-m worked very well. Really impressed.
It really is the best way to do it.
the production of the video is amazing! i really liked it
3:00 love that you used the squad menu music here
How would a defender with ceramic instead of steel plates fare against multiple shots? As a large anti-terrorism/military police vest, I would assume it was expected to go up against repeated pistol and assault rifle rounds instead of the larger rifle rounds. The spalling on the 5.56 rounds wasn't bad and only happened after a few rounds. Would a ceramic plate hold up to several rounds as well?
These are just assumptions though, I have very little knowledge of modern armour. I only specialize in historical late medieval armour.
The 556 spall was bad, there shouldn't be any spall at all. If that stuff is digging into your skin you notice. The redut I've seen has a different plate bag that uses a single monolithic ceramic plate.
@@Oxide_does_his_best I didn't notice any spall on the first few shots though. After those shots the spalling did seem pretty bad, but not (immediately) fatal. Maybe in the context of police raids and counter-terrorism they saw the spalling as an acceptable tradeoff for stopping the bullets. The spalling could be lifethreatening, but shouldn't be a problem with first aid. Most firefights they're expected to go into are much shorter than those fought in warzones, and with medical aid on standby. I think they accepted the risk of spalling in return for being able to stop multiple hits.
@@joost1120 you know most modern ceramic plates can take multiple hits right?
@@conorfoster2337 The Defender is pretty old though. I'm pretty sure most ceramic plates from the 2000s weren't that durable.
@@joost1120 Not true, US troops were using multi-hit capable ceramic plates back in the early 90s in Somalia. They didn't see wide spread adoption until the early 2000s and the war on terror, though, so it's entirely possible Russia didn't have the capability to produce or buy them.
Way better presentation than helmet test series, thank you for your effort.
love that ed harris music in the background.
Even when sick, our man is able to roll out high quality videos. This man is the very definition of dedication.
Thanks for pointing out Huffman Range, his militech videos helped me in figuring out where to source cheapass Level 3 helmets that sorta work. lol
the gucci gopnik back at it again
This channel is a gem. Very unique to other gun and gear channels. Very cool.
i am really glad that i have found yput channel, really good work!
Holy shit this is awesome m8 these vids just keep getting better
Great stuff man
love the channel, im currently developing a game and working on russian faction, all the information from these armor tests videos have been great reference!
Fuck, tarkov players, spalling is coming!!
Thank you for the content you create, and those that aid you in the process. Now that the US is looking into the NGSW program it'd really suck if they don't go through with it, knowing how m855a1 does against plates like this.
I’m not debating the usefulness of the new NGSW program, M855A1 does what its supposed to do. No one short of special forces on either side could field true armor penetrating ammunitions to all of their troops.
The thing is this lodaut is outdated and is not in use by russians anymore
Most interesting tests I've seen since fpsrussia lol wish it was a bit longer and had some more history in it like some of your previous videos tho, keep up the great work
I need to talk to Fort employees honestly
Would you be willing to test ar500, to show how dangerous spall really is, if someone bought the plates for you?
@Gost-5 because steel plates you'd buy don't have aramid fibers woven around,so it'll be even worse. It'll also be conversly more realistic and he could also test it against a 20 inch ar and find out if 5.56 ball can pen ar500. These, while accurately demonstrating spall, don't perfectly recrearte what you'd get from ar500 and there's visulization for the damage caused by spalling.
@@saintpeddlesworth2706 plenty of videos out there testing ar500
@@saintpeddlesworth2706 Clearly you dont know much about ar500. They literally have a spawling coat that comes on the plate and its probably better than the defender 2.
@@mr.stankers5967 Ar500 uses a truck bed liner as their "spall protection" paintjob. Not only does it add a shit ton more weight but it's largely ineffective after being hit once or twice, frequently just peeling right off. Never use Ar500.
@@pakman184 demo ranch shot one multiple times and the coating still worked.
The little Kommandostore ad @3:13 was pretty wicked looking I gotta say
Gotta love the Squad menu theme in background :D
Damn, first Roman posts SVD video on his 715 channel, now it's you. What a great day!
Моё Почтение )))
I wish I could understand Russian to properly watch 715 videos :(
@@AKK5I why do you even interested in their videos?
When Brdm2 test, 👀
Bur great work, finally some reliable armor tests
Pretty soon we'll end up seeing an FSB sponsor ad in Oxide's videos lmao. Love it
These armor ballistic test videos of yours are really interesting to watch, keep up the good work Oxhyde!
The kommandostore bumpers have that cool adult swim feel to them.
Still waiting on my desert night camo throw blanket from kommandostore that I ordered in November.
Oxide sounds like he just woke up, nice vid.
And last day i bought a 6b5... XD, best way to chill out the evening. Oxide ya the best guy on CZcams🤙🤘
You worked with Buffman? COOL!
Great video as always
That 30.06 API round was just beautiful
I love the squad opening screen theme
can't wait for the 6b43/5 plate test
WOW dude cant wait for the next vids
Finally someone mentioning exact ammo type when shooting armor.
Titanium isn’t obsolete, it gives you the Grunt Birthday Party death effect!
You finally got a better camera holy fuckin shit this looks amazing
The thing I like about this video is how the bullets look like wen they are about to hit a target something I never saw on my life
For this High Quality there will be some kofi
Destroying a found-in-raid only vest :(
Neotokyo music
Damn you have a fal, that’s really cool I’m from Belgium wished we could own one of those
You can, just buy it as "airsoft gear" Works in Germany, but havent tried importing the plates, just the vests.
Also there are a couple in circulation in the EU with plates which got in before the Krim sanctions.
Well and you just could go repro if you just want the vest
2:46
love hearing a track from the main menu of Squad
Nice, this makes me happy
Ceramic breaks after a few hits, steel plates can keep you in the fight for an extremely long time so long as the shrapnel doesn't hit anything vital. A good solution to the issue with these plate carries would be kevlar sleeves maybe? Kind of like that weird chain mail arms and strap middle armor add on for plate armor in the medieval days. I forgot the name of it but shadiversity showed it on screen in one of his videos. Added weight, sure but, at least the rigs would hold up in combat for extreme fights.
Holy crap that flame in the intro was huge
FANTASTIC WORK...
This channel is now starting to seem like a professional tv show with adverts and stuff.
Nice to be quick for once
The SQUAD music in the background XD
The Oxide voice was so low, so I almost expected USEC1 voiceline like: "Just let us pass and none gets hurt!"
cool video man
Great video
Ayyy squad music on the first slow mo
“music to be added later” pain
GOD HAS SPOKEN OXIDE WILL STILL BE POSTING ARMOR TEST VIDEOS!
Thanks Oxide. Your content is fucking awesome!
Such an under rated channel! I watched this when it came out. After rewatching, really adds context to some of the videos coming out of Ukraine.
Thnx, waiting for 6b45 armor test
I am questioning why arm protectors arent a thing with defenders, if the spalling ist such a problem.
Zyer ar meni pipoo in rashya
Well Russians like Kevlar suits, like the one oxide showed in his FSB Frag loudout, so ....
very much appreciation
For those wondering - the song at the credits is "Home, Sweet Home" by Project Lazarus
Damn the Squad OST really hit
Cool video
Oxide posts I like
I would say the vest stood up extremely well.
LOL @ the rant Oxide goes on around 8:40 - the plates stopped everything thrown at them except for the anti materiel bullets - what more do you want from them? They would keep their users alive and combat effective.
Oxide doesn’t know the realities of budget, especially for having to procure millions of stock. for example if switching to a steel plate and carrier system was $300 extra per unit given the roughly 4,000,000 people who serve in Russian security services, combining the military, internal affairs police, and border guards, this is not accounting for private services nor non-federal police , that’s an extra $1,200,000,000 in total on top of other armor costs. That is a lot for an improvement that doesn’t really do anything, meaning protect the wearers better. And I am certain that I am forgetting about enormous hidden costs, like deals on, repairs replacements, and continuance, and so on.
There are some very compelling reasons why not everyone outfits all their forces with the newest and best gear.
@@Mortablunt well said.
@@akompsupport To channel Garand Thumb (who being a veteran and still serving Ranger who does comparative analyses), what is most important is to have some serviceable gear and train with it. Training is the single most important thing you can do. If you have to choose between Gucci gear and developing your skills, take the training. I've had people whine at me about my gear choices. I shoot 54R and x19 instead of Lapua and 10mm, I wear steel instead of ceramic, I run Wolf instead of Corbon, I wear some European pattern instead of Multicam, I have a a body armor instead of a carrier. Could I afford the nicer stuff? Yes.
BUUUUUUUUUT!
Then I wouldn't be able to afford the practice. Instead of 2 range sessions per week, with running the primo calibers, I'd be capped at 1 session a month. I would be hesitant to get my nice gear dirty and dinged. And with the massive savings, both upfront, and shot per shot, session per session, I have been able to afford things like real professional instruction at least once annually, regular range trips, participation in competition to check how sharp I really am, and so on. This would have been financially out of my reach if I went with all the latest and greatest.
If you have to choose between hardware and practice, choose the practice. Good practice can make up for numerous shortcomings in gear, but no gear can save you from inadequate training. Under stress, you will not rise to the price tag of your gear, you will sink to the lowest level of your mastered training.
@@Mortablunt Impressive. The more I see about Garand thumb off platform responding to certain struggle secessions the more I respect the guy for being a positive influence on the community, very level headed and positive energy all around.
Re: Practice. Yes, need to get out w/ your kit and train so you know what works and what needs to be modified/fixed/discarded, etc. Also important to be able to run away if need be with all that additional weight, etc.
Im just watching some tarkov videos and the next video is this, great yt algorithm
mmm that sweet sweet neotokyo OST
Keep in mind that aramid loses its stopping capabilities over time and your plates could have been 10 or more years old at the time of testing.
The aramid inserts were inspected thoroughly before the test, all in factory condition
@@Oxide_does_his_best Still, even though plates might have looked factory new, it doesn't really tell if the aramid was using its full potential.
@@k.b.n.7951 taofladermouse has aramid vests since the 1980s all level 3 nij that legit baked out in the sun for years and still worked for every single round it was rated for the only reason aramid has a experation date is so you buy a new one after a certain amount of time so the company can make more money. aramid is a better material than most people give it credit for.
@@rickfastly2671 if moisture gets inside it can break down quickly, pretty common with these russian plates to be banged around a lot and maybe the seal was compromised, also even if it "worked" that doesn't mean it wasn't degraded, it could have just hit a lucky spot or maybe it could have stopped more rounds if it was fresh, there are a million variables
@@rodiculous9464 yeah but he shot it in a already compromised spot and it still blocked the round i mean the vest was already shot up too. also can you tell me what aramid is made of that causes it to degrade in water because i thought it was made of plastic.
Mans just turned on the squad music and I’m on my phone so I just thought that squad was open lol
finally someone test plates to failure. we never get to see how many rounds armor can actually take.
6:24 Simo Häyhä approves!!!
Perkele!!!!
the steel with soft armor aramid backing actually made it great at stopping even steel AP rounds. but the fragmentation (what people call spalling) is unacceptable like you said since we now have easily accessible affordable ceramic plate armor which is much lighter weight.
Your blessed buddy. You have alot of good freinds and good times... ✌🤣
I know it isn’t Russian, but perhaps you could do a review on the German police vest sold by KommandoStore, I’d also be interested in where to find the actual armor for it because I got the vest with no plates in it from the Bundesball
nice use of neotokyo ost!
Bullet-proof vest "Ulan 25 FTF / ATM / ASP-M1 (FB)"
The total area of protection is 36 sq. Dm.
The mass of the body armor of the 2nd protection class is 4.7 kg.
Weight of body armor with steel armor panels ASP-M1 - up to 10.5 kg.
Description overdue on: 01/10/2008. PIZDABOLL TI