Your hysterical and malicious assertion that I lied has been brought to my attention. You might care to consider taking it down as a) it is untrue; b) it is defamatory; c) it is unjustified, and d) it does your impartiality and claims to proportionality no favours. You have leapt to a conclusion based upon a distorted - and one suspects, self-aggrandising - perception. If you were really concerned about being factual and fair, you would not have relied upon one of the many edited clips of an event that took place presumably b efore you were even born. If you are going to criticise the writings of authors, you might care to consider the standard devices of which all reputable authors avail themselves. These include such phenomena (at least where you are concerned) of figures of speech, conveyance of tone and atmosphere etc etc. You have opportunistically and unscrupulously jumped upon an account that in no way can be twisted into the perverse interpretation you have placed upon it. You have no knowledge of who my sources were, or of the situation as it unfolded. You were not an eye witness. You have never seen or been party to a recounting of the occasion. You have ignored a host of reports from reputable sources, all of which accord with the interpretation conveyed to me by my source. If you are aiming to be taken seriously as a book critic, you should consider refraining in the future from gross misrepresentations and exaggerations. You might also care to consider that I have hitherto refrained from requiring you to refrain from breaching the copyright of my book, which you have been milking exhaustively as if you have a right to plug into it and use it to make an exhaustive and copyright breaching of the labours of others. I trust you will now be eager remove your patently unfounded falsehood without further ado, if only to demonstrate to your following that you possess at least the appearance of integrity. I reserve all my rights with regard to this and all your other offences to date which relate to my book.
Thank you for dignifying my insignificant channel with your response. Iâm sure my viewers will enjoy your comment. I have many loyal fans of yours who no doubt let you know about this video and who will relish this âtelling offâ. Thank you for making their day! Am I to understand that if I do not remove the content of this book you plan to pursue legal action? The authors of every other book I have covered have welcomed the coverage and enjoyed the reviews. I am astounded at your thin skin. I will be happy to remove this content if you find it so offensive.
@@cheeredenise Your offer to remove the content is accepted. Please do so forthwith. It is offensive. It is also untrue and defamatory. There is a difference between valid criticism and personal and unfounded abuse. You elected to take the latter course, and did so with unseemly, one could say, malicious relish, as your histrionic headline confirms. How you could have come up with the interpretation that I lied is beyond reason, and to assert that I told a HUGE lie - your emphasis, not mine - compounded the offence. I do not propose to get into a wrange with you as you seek to project your actions so that they become my failings, even down to the thickness of my skin. I have no offence to defend, and I will not be sucked - or sickered - into defending something that does not exist. Nor am I concerned in the least about the reaction of any other author whose work you have criticised. I do not find defamation desirable, nor do I need your - or indeed anyone else's - attentions. If others do, that is a matter for you and them, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with me. May I observe before signing off that it is perplexing indeed that you would assert that your viewers would be able to enjoy a telling off when the content is taken down. If it is down, how can they enjoy the telling off? Being much older than you, I leave you with the observation that there are times in life when throwing one's hands up and admitting an error reflects well, not adversely, upon one. You are patently bright enough to appreciate that it is in your interest to take down the offending item. You might like to consider that graciousness rather than one part sneer and one part jeer might have been , you might have been a more constructive approach. For my part, I am prepared to mark this down to youthful error and the excesses of too much ambition, as long as it is taken down without delay.
You might also like to consider, in the interest of your future perspective as well as well being, that no responsible critic alights upon one error in a book of several hundred pages, even if it proves to be a genuine error - which is certainly not the case in this instance - as proof that everything else must be wrong and that the author must be a liar. Such extrapolation is the mark of irrrationality, disproportionality, and illogical expectations. Presumably you were not taught proportion either in ethics or art, which would be hardly surprising, considering your age and the dire state of education nowadays. If you're going to be a critic, you might care to develop those aspects of your character which will enhance ratehr than diminish your obversational skills.
I hope Iâll get to use it again! Honestly, I had no idea I could do a Diana impression and suddenly it was coming out! It was a lot of fun while it lasted!
I hadn't watched all of the episodes you posted on the book, but having lived as an adult through the Princess Diana era, the Diana in this video reminded me of why people were so charmed by her and the public adoration.
â@@louonUTpeople who were jealous of her. I find it very rude for people to talk badly about a dead woman that cant defend herself. Yes you can say anything about a dead person. What are they gunna do. She was very well loved watch her funeral. If so deceptive people wouldnt have loved her so much. But continue lieing on a dead person it makes you feel so proud.
@@joycenichols6187 I donât lie on a dead woman. Diana told these stories for a book that her and Lady C wrote together . Diana had many many affairs which started soon after marrying Charles. Lady C did not want to write about all the men Diana slept with . Lady c picked 4 that were longer affairs and did not want to put the one night stand in the book and some were with married men. If you want to believe media over Diana that is your deal. Books about public figures have been written about all through the ages .
@@louonUT Very well said. Lady C knew Diana personally - very well indeed. And also knew many people in the same circles. I have often heard her say (in interviews) that D had a good and a bad side. Cheere, who clearly said she was not a fan of Lady C, read the book without the author's permission and basked in all the adulation she received from it. Then, without any proof, called Lady C a liar and cast aspersions on all her work. Who would sit back and take that without responding? Cheere should apologise. It'a still not too late. She would regain my respect if she did rather than drawing all this out by playing the victim and looking pathetic..
@@margotriou2798 I knew from comments Cheere said about lady C about a year ago when considering if she should read a lady C book or not that he didnât like lady C and it seem to be deep. . However I had no idea Cheere could or would be this vindictive. I have been reading through the comments and commenting . I am surprised that Cheere has not considered any of the very good advice many people have given to her. She refuses to consider her wrong and some comments she made to others is shockingly nasty. I see she has also deleted a couple of her comments , so she knows she is being cruel. Not sure why I am surprised-the fact she took down all her lady C videos but left up the one accusing Lady C of lying speaks volumes about Cheere Denise who comes across sweet as pie on her channel.
Thanks for the info, and yes your observations about errors and exaggerations are valid in media issues. Have noticed the same things about media stories I have personal knowledge of and wondered what else could be mistaken. A close relative of mine was a public figure, and after his death saw newspaper articles that contained errors, one carried mention of my sister making a public speech, that never happened. Just remember, in life we cannot know all but be prepared to adjust your thinking as new info comes in.
I am aware of Lady Câs flaws and also her intelligence. I have âknownâ Diana from the moment she became engaged to the Prince of Wales, and from the day of the wedding, i knew it would fail. I never warmed to her, I found her manipulating, I also felt sorry for her as she was stuck in a loveless marriage. I think the book sums up how I feel about Diana.
Your commentary raises a point you encourage your listeners to debate. Her responses seem to be in line with an outburst of narcissistic rage. I have felt the ick and discomfort from some of Lady Cs videos and have questioned what is missing from my life that I am spending time watching one human relish taking down othersâŠyes she is connected, intelligent, well-connected and entertaining. I have seen her be so kind and supportive to other CZcamsrs. In retrospect, I realize that her kindness was likely in response to their sycophantic interactions. I was so impressed with you when you voiced your reluctance to do a Lady C book based on your âickâ feelings. I am also impressed you had an open mind to try. I think Lady C will be more negatively impacted by her response to you than anything youâve put in a video. I look forward to your future endeavors, your character is admirable.
I feel ick when I see people approving of the fact that Denise used Lady C's copyrighted work for her own financial benefit and then based it on one poorly filmed, highly chopped-up film. There are quite a few others of better quality, so why use this one? Denise went straight to "she is a liar" instead of "looking at this one film, I can't interpret the same as Lady C." Lady C knew people who were there, and they reported this.
@@textrue9088Cheere Denise didnât say Lady C is a liar. She only acknowledged that Lady Câs description is nothing like what we see in the video, and thatâs enough to make one wonder if there are any more examples. I like Lady C, Iâve been following her since the pandemic, and thereâs something Iâve noticed for a long time: she canât stand the smallest hint of criticism. Many times Iâve heard her say inaccurate things, I never left a comment. She came onto Cheere Denise like a bulldozer and much to our loss, because the reviews she was making were splendid and quite flattering to Lady Câs book. It only took one episode to make her jump and, may I say, threat in a most unladylike manner. Now we canât even rewatch those videos or recommend them, as I would like to do.
@@TeresaLeandro "She is a liar" was splashed all over this very post on the cover page when Lady C was alerted to it, and gave her response to Denis. That is when she changed/edited it to something less shocking. However, on my first comment, she replied to me DIRECTLY, "She is a liar." She replied the same thing to others who challenged her. Before you make a flat-out statement like that, do some reading of the comments and her replies. Denise was very deceptive when she kept this post up, but deleted the rest of the book posts. I liked reviews before this, but I found out too much about her character to enjoy any more of them. By the way, we develop battle scars from our past experiences, and Lady C has plenty of them from her formative years and she is not going to be stepped on by an arrogant little nobody making money from Lady C's and other authors' labor. It is against the law, and Lady C rightly pointed it out. And calling her a liar is a slander, also against the law. As I said, "She is a liar" was plastered all over the cover page of this post until she decided to edit it.
The Vintage Read Show reviewed a book called The Housekeeperâs Diary written by the housekeeper at Highgrove during the years Charles and Diana were married and I would say that thereâs a very close parallel between that book and Lady Câs book. Apparently The Housekeeperâs Diary was banned in the UK.
Cheere I have truely enjoyed your reading of this book. As an Australian I have a strong memory of this occasion. I believe this is an edited clip for the evening news at a time when some of our reporters thought she could do no wrong. Charles did not just draw the bow over a couple of strings, and footage between his playing and his standing, is cut. The commentary at the time was pretty much as Lady C wrote, and was just one of the incidents of one up man ship from Diana. You have every right to question this footage but always remember it may not be unedited. I was concerned when you uttered the wordsâŠglaring lieâŠ.maybe a bridge too farâŠI certainly believe so.
I am a fan of both Cheere Denise and Lady C! And I am certain that Cheere's pronouncement that "it is a lie" is a bridge too far. If only Cheere had said, "in my opinion" a few times and not slammed this one questionable incident and Lady C personally with such vigor, and especially after reviewing only one video that doesn't seem to match one incident in the book. That should have been a red flag: what is missing here? The Diana incident was decades ago, and no one had a camera phone then. Broadcasters always controlled the video footage and indeed imbued their own "spin" into their reporting. Cheere should also know that her opinion is not always implied and understood; especially in today's world. Any author might take the pronouncement the same as Lady C did; however, I do think LC could, and should have, contacted Cheere with a private message expressing her concern and distaste for the review rather than creating this negative atmosphere. Neither ladies will benefit from this public meltdown.
@@LM-ov6bv Well said. Both need to take a deep breath, wait 24 hours, and re-evaluate. Cheere Denise should not have said "it is a lie" knowing that just viewing edited footage does not mean you are seeing the full event. Tread carefully, Cheere Denise, when accusing someone of a lie. And Lady C's comments should have been private at the beginning, and if the issue could not be resolved, then Lady C could decide how to handle the situation - confront publicly or legal action. The commentors here show that some are choosing to not watch Lady C's channel and not to buy the book, thereby showing damages to Lady C - whether the damages come from her reputation being damaged by Cheere Denise's words or by Lady C's public response would have to be determined at some point.
@@LM-ov6bvLady C was slandered publicly so I think it was right to stand up for herself publicly. Otherwise all Cheereâs followers are left with a convincing argument lady C lied which she did not .
Thank you @Cathmay642 for the excellent comment! I totally understand why Lady C had trouble containing herself when Denise asked viewers to question the validity of pretty much everything that Lady C has written about in her more than 18 published books. Adding to the insult, she is questioning Lady C's integrity while making money reading her book. Let's face it, Denise takes sales away from all the authors whose books she reads, and yet these authors, including Lady C, have always been gracious and generous in this regard. While Lady C might have come out all barrels blazing, Denise couldn't have been so ignorant as to how her 'glaring lie' comment would be received by a writer who is SO careful to make sure her work is truthful and authentic. As a Canadian who loves and has followed our monarchy since childhood, and who is closer in age to Lady C than to Denise, I also get exasperated with the media and the YTuber's (many of them Americans) who have seized the financial opportunity in the royals, and without background history or understanding of the institution, put their uninformed and unsubstantiated opinions out into the world. It's not hard to understand that Lady C, with her vast knowledge of history, the players, along with her truly impressive intellect, would be totally frustrated and sometimes furious. This is a woman who knew Diana, and with her connections, saw and heard it all first hand. I know how the press have 'edited' much of the Diana content since her death, but there are many of us that still remember how Diana manoeuvred in those days to garner attention for herself, and away from Charles. Questioning the life work of Lady C based on a nastily edited 60 second sound bite was really out of line, but doubling down again, has only made it worse. Denise, an apology to Lady C is warranted and removing both videos would be the right move. I would love to have the fiercely loyal Lady C as a friend, as she is supportive to so many, including the excellent Australian channel, The Vintage Read Show, who also reviews books.
Cheere, there has been so much said I did not want to just give an opinion. This was our BiCentenary 1988, and so this occasion was covered by many news services. There is footage ITN of this event and the reporter has an English accentâŠ.probably for the British news service. ââ and then the wily professor tried the Princessââ (who was indicating with her hand, pointing, she played the piano) ââ her rearguard action of coyness was bound to end in surrender and she knew it.ââ COYNESSâŠfeigning shyness or modesty in an attempt to seem alluring. My memory of this day in Melbourne was definitely of Diana trying to upstage Charles. She did indicate she played the piano. Maybe Lady Câs description was not totally accurate, but she did not write a GLARING LIE.
The footage is edited. She looks like she understands she can outshine Charles in this situation. She looks embarrassed that her fingers missed in her performance. Doubt Charles would be obviously angry, in a way we would know. The story was likely relayed to Lady C by Diana.
There's another occasion when Charles is on a stage with his cello, and Diana is in a ballgown, and she does what Lady C says. She is not exaggerating.
@@cheeredenise The full video might never have been on CZcams since this Royal visit was more than 40 years ago, but many of us have always known about Dianaâs upstaging of Charles at that particular event. In the absence of video proof, one cannot conclude the event didnât unfold per the authorâs description of it, or that she is lying. Based on the videoclip you presented, I feel there could even be different opinions of what happened. This author is meticulous about accuracy and truth. (THE truth, not HER truth). However, if there was even one blatantly incorrect issue and you thought the author was misleading readers, I still donât believe it would warrant questioning the book in its entirety, the authorâs other books, or her integrity. This is essentially defamation, although you probably had no intention to defame her.
Read âThe Housekeepers DiaryââŠ..it corroborates so much from someone who was there. The video we can easily find in 2024 was not available at the time when the book was written. Perhaps statements relayed to Lady C from people who were there varied from the edited clip from the TV/news media? Perhaps Diana herself told Lady C about the incident. Regardless, royal protocol and etiquette demands that Diana should have declined to step forward to play when this moment was meant for the Prince. I actually remember seeing this footage at the time and still feel that her running off after playing was a silly immature way to conduct herself. With any book, a bit of author bias will creep in (in my opinion)
The review chapter by chapter is still available on The Vintage read. Shanna is from Australia and an ardent Royalist. She is so entertaining! This is the Housekeepers Diary which is out of print so hard to get a copy of the book. KC recently pardoned the author for writing it so she could come back to England as her son was battling cancer
What if PC encouraged his wife and is masculine enough to not be threatened by her abilities. What if a man lifts his lady up? Women are far worse than men at tearing other women down.
Whether or not she should have played, the video clearly shows that she was not playing the piano while Charles was playing cello. It shows Charles standing there when Diana first leaves to go plait he piano. So are we not supposed to believe our own eyes in that regard?
I disagree with you . Diana was vain and she did a lot of things to upstage Charles and worse she lied about what happened in their life and dismissed her accountability in the marriage . Sorry I totally disagree with you and I think I am overreacting.
The video is a clip in time - not the entire story. She could have declined couldnât she? She was obviously prepared to play a pretty complex piece. I believe Lady C â version.
Sounds like the census here is giving a pass to Lady C. Being an American we received limited coverage on this event. But I believe Diana never passed up an opportunity to be center stage when sometimes she should have. In this case she might have taken a pass and because we donât see Charlesâs reaction while she plays, we really canât say he wasnât put off by her actions. BTW she seems to tower over him with that hat and those heels. Intentional?
I read that once divorced, Diana got rid of her low heeled shoes, which she resented. So yes, I think she felt displeased to have to be in a secondary role as the one married to the royal. The difference is that with Diana, that feeling developed over time. With Meghan, it seemed to be instantaneous with her always grabbing at Harry to train him to let her go first.
@@afquan9211 The Spencers have always felt that their pedigree was much more âroyalâ than the actual royals (like many other British aristocratic families do). This was due to the fact that many generations ago they had a âroyalâancestor and felt that the actual Royal family were beneath them due to the fact that they have a lot of German blood in them. The fact that the German blood is equally royal doesnât seem to count. In addition until the 20th century when marrying non royals became acceptable, it was always the custom for royals to marry into other royal families from other European countries. Hence hardly any of them were pure blooded descendants of one royal house from a single country only.
@@Ariadne-cg4cq If you can find it, Diana's father Earl Johnnie Spencer, gave a speech right before the wedding about how the Spencers have supported the RF for hundreds of years and how lucky the RF was to get a Spencer!
Yes, I agree she exaggerated. I also agree that Diana did not miss any opportunity to upstage Charles, which was the point Lady C was trying to make. In my opinion she should have politely declined, but it did not take much to convince her. The footage that made me start to look at her with the side eye was when they visited Wales, recently married, and Charles is giving a speech and is going on about his new wife and how beautiful she is and how lucky he is, and she twists her mouth and the crowd laughs. He turns around, totally embarrassed, and makes a comment about it's amazing what a women would do when your back is turned. It was so disrespectful and they were just married! That is what did it for me.
@@glen7318 She had the whole room laughing at him. Did you notice HIS face afterwards?! He was totally embarrassed. Yes it was disrespectful!! She was always being disrespectful to him in public. If she acted more like Camilla does, maybe her marriage would have survived.
I hope you're feeling better today after all that nonsense you had from lady c , You are so beautiful and sweet, ignore that nonsense and carry on with your reviews x
@@pamphillips4055 Lady C has every right to defend herself from a foolish ad hominem attack on her character as a person. Before you try to equivocate, Cheere responded to my disappointment in what she said by repeating these very words, "She is a liar." No one knows you, so if she called you a liar, so be it, no one knows you, but we all know Lady C. Cheere took no consideration for how many charities Lady C throws herself into or her friendships around the world, and the fact that she has not lost any defamation suits in her life because she nails down her sources.
Let's also remember, though, that much of the media was into inflaming emotions and creating controversy which meant more stories and more readers. It's what they did, and still do.
Playing the whatever piece she played she PRACTICED before hand. KC3 looks gobsmacked. Not sure where he looks proud. Dianaâs overacting on being shy is what stood out to me. And then running off? She is a Royal not some young teenager.
@@suzanking5625 I am a pianist and I can tell you that Diana could only play a few bars of Rachmaninovâs piano concerto No 2 which was the bit she played on numerous occasions. She could not play the whole concerto (which is over 30 minutes long and requires an orchestra to play it properly) to save her life. It is not particularly difficult but still beyond the capacity of someone who could only play simple pieces on the piano. And she played it very badly and made numerous mistakes! In addition whenever the opportunity presented itself it was the only thing she ever played in public. It is obvious that she had piano lessons as a child but never got very far.
I noticed this with her account of what happened at Birkenhead and Meghan's baby bump diving... yes, in the photos it looks like her dress crinkled around her knees and there is "something there", but in the video you can clearly see Meghan walking pretty normally. If there was a prosthetic bump between her knees, she wouldn't be able to walk at all! I don't like the Harkles one bit, but let's not overreach with fake babies and bump diving. They proved to be horrible people without having to involve conspiracy theories and we will never know what is really going on unless they or the Palace tell or show. Which will never happen, so let's just enjoy this book club and take everything with a grain of salt. Love you Cheere.
There was a very slight drop to the bump. Like 1 inch or so. The Royal Grift debunked the bump falling to Meghan's knees thing. Lady C said it happened but left it open as to exactly where and when and to what degree (how far the drop) it might have happened.
I agree. Itâs just common sense that you wouldnât just walk with a moon bump between your knees. Also a strap or something would have to break and you would realize that long before the bump would get to your knees. I also agree that there is enough to look at without playing into things that are outlandish.
It has been shown that the incident of the "bump" sliding to her knees was NOT at Birkenhead but at a previous visit to another venue on the same day. I think by the time they got to Birkenhead, the bump had been corrected. (You can compare exterior photos of that day. Birkenhead will have a gray building background; the other venue will be red brick.)
Yep, this example is exactly why felt like I needed to say something. The bump âat her kneesâ narrative is one thatâs still commonly accepted but I knew the first time I saw the photo that it was just a wonky photo (she still had a bump on her stomach so was she wearing two moon bumps?). The Royal Grift did a great breakdown of the photos taken that day, the location, and H&Mâs mannerisms all in a reaction to this one line from Lady Câs book. Thereâs a full video of the incident, the bump DID slightly slip when Meghan took her hand off the bump for a moment, and she quickly puts her other hand under the bump. Do I think Meghan used a moon bump? Absolutely. But I also think this one incident has been used to sensationalize that fact, thus ultimately giving people the ability to dismiss the entire pregnancy debate & ignore every unnatural display of her stomach Meghan made in those months. I think Lady C knows it wasnât at her knees, but I think she kept it in the book because she knows if Meghan sued, then ALL the evidence of her pregnancies would be put under a microscope on a massive scale. Meghan has WAY more to lose. Using the Birkenhead example actually HELPS Meghan. So Lady C has no problem sensationalizing the situation when itâs safe. Thereâs nothing wrong with acknowledging two things can be true, and thatâs what I feel Cheere did here. She clearly doesnât specifically say âwell this whole book must be bullshit.â I personally donât know how to feel about Diana. I think her untimely death gave her martyrdom in a way. When I see her interviews & appearances she always seems stiff and backward. Thereâs something in her eyes that makes me incredibly uncomfortableâŠwhether itâs her own discomfort or some hidden lie I canât say. Do I think she loved her kids? Yes. Do I think she made bad decisions? Yes. She was in the unenviable position of being a young woman with a cheating husband & she couldnât handle it.
@@emkay888 Well said, persuasive observations, and logical analysis. Like you I also have little patience with the "fake pregnancy, no baby" thinking.... thank you.
I have seen another version of this video that depicts this event another way. Try to find one that doesnât have a cut in it because I swear I watched Charles playing his instrument poorly and Diana get on the opposite side of the stage as he was playing. I donât remember anyone walking behind anyone. But thereâs a cut in this footage that distorts reality.
Yes, I saw that one, long ago. It shocked me that she was so clearly competing with and shaming him. Iâm far from perfect, but I promise you I cannot imagine behaving that way towards my own husband, EVER, and we have been married 50 years.
@@shahbanouscheherazade5651wow 50 years?! Thatâs incredible congratulations!! Iâve been married for 15 years and I can tell you I would also NEVER treat my husband like this. I hate it when people disrespect their spouses or partners especially in public, and you donât have to have a thorough grasp of royal protocol to see that she was out of line here. I also believe this footage is deceiving, itâs clearly been edited.
@@vancouvervixen4253 ahh sweet.. so which meaning of a vixen are you ? so many meanings people have when they use vixen... you seem like the nice version
@@louonUT thatâs very kind of you! I certain aim to align myself with the more positive version⊠though I must say I feel quite grossed out after contending with some of the very unpleasant people in this comments section. Itâs like trying to reason with a pack of hyenas. Iâve been helpfully informed that leaving multiple comments as part of different discussions equates to being a bot, and taking a centrist position where one points out that there is error on both sides here means youâre definitely a flying monkey for LCC. The cognitive dissonance of the way people are acting here while supposedly defending someone else from bullying is absolutely wild!! Balanced and reasonable comments such as yours are refreshing. Best of luck out there! đ
The young woman called lady C a liar more than once. That video was heavily edited. You do not call an established author a liar on the world stage of You Tube based on a heavily edited video, if you have any ethics.
I think you are overreacting. Diana by this time knew very well she could divert attention onto herself away from Charles. She knew that she would be invited to play. We know now that the "Shy Di" image was not real. She used to put her head down because she was conscious of her height and then she just went with it when she became a public figure. There were similar articles about this very same event that came out years ago and they all said the same thing as said by Lady C.
As for Diana's behavior, it was attention grabbing and disrespectful to Charles. it is typical nutmeg. This book was nutmegs template for misbehavior in every way.
We all know Catherine can play now but what if we didn't have a clue and Wm was promoting was promoting music educ and played a few notes on a musical instrument that his prof taught him - that is supposed to be the royal event! Not Catherine saying - look at me I can play too. Charles and what he was there for was forgotten. As he is the royal, spotlight is/sb on him, unless it is her gig and he is there supporting her - which it wasn't.
Diana turned upstaging Charles into a fine art, have seen many clips over many years of this, and there are quotes from people who were there, tend to believe lady C.
The news presenter is not going to point out anything that is critical of either Diana or Charles. He is there for a "feel good " piece. You can't actually think that the would point out that Diana upstaged Charles and embarrass them both.
What an excellent observation. On one hand I can see what you're saying but on the other I can see she was devious and conniving as well. This could all be an act. Very interesting.
It MAY have been that ONLY Charles was supposed to play the cello. But Diana made sure it be known to the organizers that she plays the piano awesomely (behind his back) and made sure to get the opportunity to upstage KC3. He looked sort of taken aback in the video. If you look, she is acting all shy and âooh do I have to?â When privately she probably RELISHED showing off her skills. It looks too much of a show knowing she was never shy. You should look at the entire trip and then decide. I think you have to give Lady C the benefit of the doubt with her words.
Absolutely what I wS thinking. I remember that occasion. He was definitely not happy. She didn't follow protocol and played anyway. She, if anything, was supposed to politely decline and be there for KC.
@@tessab.5379 I can see that for sure. KC3 is sitting there wondering âwhat just happenedâ. She ran awayyy like a shy bride. Shameful. Total setup. No wonder Meghan tries those really weird âI am so shyâ giggles.
I agree she purposely upstaged him. KC was warming up but didnât get the chance to play because of Diana. A supportive wife would have declined in order to let her partner shine. Diana knew she attracted attention and encouraged the press to the point KC was overshadowed throughout their marriage.
I have never read any book about Diana either by lady C or anyone else. Nor did I read anything written in magazines, because I donât buy gossip magazines. . The only news publication I used to buy during the time Diana was alive was The Times of London, which is a serious and very well respected publication. My opinion of Diana was formed mostly from what I saw on TV footage and a few articles I read in the Times. From these sources I formed the opinion that she was a very vain, smug, and manipulative person who relished the public adulation and enjoyed upstaging her husband at every opportunity. I never thought she was this amazing wonderful person that everybody raved about because I always felt this was a put on act designed to garner public approval at the expense of her husband.
I am proud of you for your concern This happened in Australia as far as I know and would have been reported to lady c trusted her impeccable sources perhaps this was lost in translation
American here. I did not have the habit of reading the Times, but I came to exactly the same conclusions about Diana as you did, based on simply observing her behavior reported in video footage at the time. I also thought she was over-exposed in the media and wore out her welcome.
Very true, for some reason Diana has been painted as some sort of Saint, when in fact she was a scheming bitch to put it bluntly, she did it all the time
I donât think Lady C is wrong. After Prince Charles plays Princess D, the music guy and PC are having a conversation . They are obviously leaving as PC is starting to turn 2:53 away. The princess and the guy are talking - you canât tell what they are saying but PC is smiling until the Princess points to something (where the piano turns out to be) and his smile drops - he looks devastated . She then moves past PC without catching his eye. I think she told the guy that she could play the piano and that PCâs rapid demeanour change was the moment he realised he was being upstaged.
Not sure if upstaged is exactly the right word. He may have just foreseen that in this unscheduled action, she was going to show herself as embarrassed and embarrassing. But yes you are right in the sense that he would also have known that she would distract from whatever the point of the visit was supposed to be, in effect, making it all about herself.
I think if would have said Lady C's book tells us Diana deliberately upstaged Charles but the footage shows something different, what do viewers think? Then Lady C would not have minded, she got upset because you questioned her integrety and made it seem like she makes things up in her books. There must be cut footage where she "mentions" she can play the piano. The whole event was about Charles playing the cello everyone knew that including Diana. The video put a positive spin on it, but she totally upstaged him. The old man had been Charles Cello professor, so he did not know Diana could play the piano. It's obvious to me that she must have told him. Why would she do that?
I think that overall Lady C has done a fantastic job with this book. It's helped me to understand why Harry has been attracted to someone manipulative like Meghan. I think you have a thing about Lady C who is not everyone's cup of tea. The main gist is that Diana loved the limelight and was happy to upstage Charles in many ways.
I recommend The Housekeeper's Diary, which was reviewed by The Vintage Read. It will give you a full picture (not very favorable to Diana, mind you), and it's very entertaining too.
I have been enjoying Lady C's book, as I have every book you've read. The entertainment for me, has absolutely nothing to do with the truth and veracity of these accounts, but what you bring to the table. It's you that I come to listen to. It's your personality and your take on what you're reading, that is of most importance. Please don't let this revelation that Lady C's word isn't 100% reliable worry you.
ââ@@neilsun2521She wasnt bullying her she was advising her. And with friends like you Cheere doesnt need enemies. Cheere has been advised by lady C that her video is defamatory and that it should be removed or shes reserving her right to pursue legal redress. Cheere agreed to take the video down and then went back on her word. Cheere is now complaining that lady C is bullying her and demeaning her for pointing out her mistake which she is stubbornly refusing to recognise. Lady C was forthright and explicit in her criticism of Cheeres conduct. She was trying to inform her not score points or insult her. Cheere is directing snide underhanded comments at lady C laced with innuendo and based on false assumptions. Shes acting like an immature mean girl rallying her friends to support her and attack her perceived enemy on masse. She is being the bully but she cant see it. I think shes in for a rude awakening as lady C probably wont let this slide and neither would I.
I watched this tour (my country) intensely as I was young & home being monitored for a serious heart condition at the time, & my mother (a nurse) was a KC fan as she had directly benefited from his Princes Trust Foundation. This tour was HUGE in Australia, & each channel carried different footage, each capturing different perspectives with different commentary etc. So, I suppose Lady C may have seen one version of many versions. Itâs a long time ago, but I donât remember watching this version. I do remember my mother being a little upset throughout the tour because at that time she felt that Diana was deliberately trying to overshadow Charles, but at the same time she conceded that she was new at this royal thing. And also, my mother could have been a little biased given that Charlesâ charity had helped her & my uncle greatly before they moved to Australia. To be clear, my mother didnât dislike Diana, but did think she hadnât yet settled into the role as at times it almost seemed like she was going out of her way to distract media attention at important moments throughout the tour. But I remember watching the different tv channels & seeing each channel adopt different commentary & different footage of the same event. Iâll give Lady C a pass on this one, only given my lived experience watching in real time. Now I think the media pull from only one or two cameras for Royal coverage, unless it is a big royal event. For instance, I think ITV had the exclusive footage of the Sussex Tour of Africa, but by agreement they have to share footage of major engagements *I could be wrong). But back then, here in Australia, it was every channel fighting for itself (so multiple domestic & international channels, etc). I do understand your confusion.
I agree. Seeing it as it happens is different seeing it in one small clip 49+ years later. Diana really did revel in upstaging her husband and making him feel stupid. He'd had that all his life, so I imagine he had hoped that his wife would at least be encouraging, but she, just like her "other" daughter in law, enjoyed putting her husband down.. đŠđș
I think that Diana was a fun loving young woman and maybe hasnât appreciated how reserved publicly the RF felt they should be. One of the reasons we fell in love with Diana was because she was so natural, joyful and like the rest of us. The sixties had unlocked a lot of class reserves and we felt Diana was one of us.
Your mother was observing correctly. But the Diana Industry always wanted to make a conventional little fairy story out of everything Diana did. In fact , at the time, it was always awkward and disappointing to see her squirming and unable to assume her role.
Cheere, you should check out The Vintage Read's review of the Housekeeper's Diary. She gives (in my opinion) a balanced view of KCIII and Diana's relationship. I think despite the editing of the video, Diana's pattern of behaviour at that time was to undermine Charles, and there are many photos of her rolling her eyes, making cheeky comments and pulling all eyes on her. I don't think Lady C is wrong in her interpretation of what happened. In the video, Diana didn't stop to re-engage with Charles, she sped right past him, because she knew what she just did.
Plus I might addâŠâŠsnippets of Charlesâs expressions may have been deleted or left out for his benefit to not put a bad light on his self. Iâm 65 and loved Dianna very much, but I do remember over those years many times ( his expressions of IMO, jealousy) of Dianna capturing the spotlight, taking it away from him. Plus MANY reporters have also reported how these actions from Dianna upset Charles.
Hello @Cheere Denise if you make your favorite tea, put a cough drop in it and slip it down. This will alleviate the cough. Hope u feel better soon. đ
Cheere, I did watch the video, and although I didn't see events as Lady C described, I didnt see what you did, either. Perhaps it's like The Blind Man And The Elephant, and we all have our own perception of an event! However, my take is a bit closer to Lady C's (especially without the broadcaster.) Diana did seem kind of pumped up, and seemed to have a fully formed plan, while Charles was apparently going to play a few notes. But running out of the room was strange, attention seeking, and histrionic, to me. As someone who was raised a Lady, was a Princess, and expected to be Queen, the conductor (who I thought was lovely) giving her a kiss on the cheek, or having performed a few bars on the piano, shouldn't have sent her running from the room- although she was very beautiful and graceful doing it. It was odd, and the feel was more like Lady C's description to me- maybe having knowledge of the situation colored her take. Lady C is very protective of her reputation and wouldn't want to be called dishonest, and I think would want to state that in public. I am very sorry that she had words with you though, as an admirer of you both!
How do we know that clip is the ONLY clip from that day? Could there have been other clips from other angles that may have shown what Lady C references? Not arguing but rather seeking to understand.
Yes exactly,, you can see there are at least a few cuts in the video. there is also at least one comment on here from a lady in Australia who was there , saying Lady C is correct.. Not sure about the words Diana snuck up -- but did lady C mean literally or figuratively is the question. Either way Cheere has made this a bigger deal than it should be and is slandering a ladies reputation in doing so.
Hello Denise , thank you for the footage. Maybe I'm little disagree with you , I'm sorry. It exists royal manners that we don't see at first . Diana as wife must be the second. In the footage, I "see" a woman with an inappropriate dress and hat and clearly , she likes to have attention of journalists and public. She ignored Charles ( the future King ) and left the room . A good thing would be playing piano with another pupil for example .
I agree with you. I have watched Lady Cs podcasts. She uses facts and truth interspersed with some really exaggerated stories with hardly an ounce of truth. This keeps her subjects exciting but she starts veering off from journalistic standards.
@@annmariekeim9553 I agree with you and also with (above comment) from Valerie. I like Lady C, but tend to get bored as she slowly strolls her way through each question. I wish she would answer directly then go on to something else. I've read all of her books and have listened to her on CZcams for years. She does tend to spruce up a good biography and story, but as a writer you have to add a few 'generous scenarios' to spice up the story or else you lose your reader before the first chapter is even finished. (I've been a published writer and editor for years, but I have to say I've noticed more errors in her books relating to grammar and sentence structure than I care to name. She needs to find a decent proofreader!) LOL
@@lisica8458Yes, but it has to be said that she made her career out of coyness. It made people see her as modest. Which I am sure she was not. She is clearly crippled by self-consciousness in some footage I have seen, but that is a different/ more complex thing.
There are so many great opinions and points of view. This has created one of the better comment sections I've been a part of for years. It's nice that we can civilly have different points of view. Great job, Cheere.
This video and it being here is a testament to Cheere Denise for letting us have a space to discuss what we remember, or perceive, or how we've interpreted what is going on. It is a mistake to assume that Cheere Denise was being "malicious." I saw it more like shock at a discovery that lead her question the rest of the work. All that needed to be said in response was that the video was edited to present a nice image to the public, who wanted to see a harmonious Prince and Princess of Wales on a visit. I'm wishing both ladies, a sense of calm and peace.
I am writing this immediately after watching the video and without reading commentary. The Prince of Wales was the highest ranking member of the Royal family present at this event-a Prince of the Blood. He had married a lady and had made her a princess by virtue of his standing. In ALL subsequent social situations the primacy of the Prince of Wales should be respected. For a princess by marriage be goaded to the piano by a music teacher of any status, to play longer, better or at all after the Prince of Wales was improper. It was a violation of etiquette towards the future king. And then to have the Princess run past the Prince, who clearly out-ranked her, was another violation of Royal etiquette. The Prince of Wales was left to trail after the Princess. This was another error. There was NO excuse for this-none whatsoever. The whole episode should have made anyone familiar with Royal protocol cringe!
Unfortunately Cheere has made it clear that learning about actual royal protocol is beneath her and has mocked it. This whole thing is so disappointing. Not all Americans are so naive or condescending toward traditions they are uneducated about, as she clearly is. Iâve lost so much respect for her in the way sheâs handling this so publicly and childishy.
The scary thing is that Meghan is trying to replay Diana's selfish behaviors and pass it off with the excuse not of "I'm so young and innocent" but "I'm American and so innocent."
@@vancouvervixen4253 As an American, I feel ashamed that others might assume that Meghan represents all Americans. My own manners are often gauche, but I'd at least be mindful to not insult the people of the country which accepts me as visitor.
Iâve read her 2020 book on H&M and Iâm familiar with or have seen pictures/video of almost every situation she describes in that book, so Iâm satisfied that she hasnât exaggerated any of it. Consequently, Iâm willing to give her a pass on one anecdote that does seem exaggerated in a book written before the internet when she didnât have access to the footage and relied on a source for the info. Since 99% of her information is generally accurate, Iâm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt on the remaining 1%.
The 1% is the words Diana snuck up .... I have not seen the original tape so I don't know if the words are meant literally or figuratively.. We all know by down that Diana was always sneaking around creating moments to make Charles look bad even in front of the boys and although it wasn't obvious she was sneaking to do it , figuratively in her mind she was being sneaky.
I watched the vintage read & heard about your beef with Lady C. I am a subscriber of Lady Câs channel & enjoy all her videos. You seem like a very nice woman & have a nice channel. I just watched the video that set off Lady C. While youâre entitled to your opinion, you did come for her & stated she lied. Then questioned the rest of her book. This would probably upset most people. She was a bit harsh but Lady C doesnât mince words & itâs kinda why I like her show. Wishing you all the best & maybe be a little more careful calling an author a liar.
It is an understatement. She was pretty mean. She over reacted. Calling her a liar & questioning her book was gonna get a reaction out of her. You have every right to give your opinion & share your thoughts. I just thought you also went too far. First time watching your channel. I wish you all the best. Just giving you my 2 cents is all.
I believe that this was the tour where Charles gave the famous ' Two Wives' speech , so one could walk to his left & one to his right as the aussies who were on his side would not be disappointed. The press reported the piano story thusly : Charles eeked out a few sour notes on the cello , and then Princess Diana played a piece beautifully . In truth neither were easy on the ear. ( Unlike Catherine Princess of Wales at Eurovision) . This was the trip where Charles first realized what a difficult time had befallen him. * Finally, One did not kiss a royal on the cheek in the 80's , even in Australia. It's still not done.
@clintgregory2549 Much as I admire Catherine for her many excellent qualities, playing the piano is not one of her accomplishments. It all sounded very much like a complete beginner who has studiously learnt how to play a very simple piece and all she does is hit (literally) the right notes but it all sounds very stilted. I think it best not to continue trying to play the piano.
I agree. That man took great liberties insisting upon a kiss. The video clearly shows Diana was greatly taken aback. I feel that itâs obvious she fled the room in embarrassment over that kiss, not because she was playing coy.
@@amiek9226 Diana was much in the habit of taking people into her confidence if she could see some benefit to her but often they misunderstood this as genuine friendliness which it was not. It was a useful tool for her. She used this technique with some of the journalists which flattered them hugely and they genuinely believed that she was âtheir friendâ. It would not have been unusual for her to have used that gentleman to stage the whole thing just to embarrass Charles. It would not have been the first time nor would it have been the last.
I only had a year of piano lessons and I have to agreeđ It was definitely âstumble & tumble and hard on the drumâŠâ Catty?đđ No neverâ„ïžâ„ïžâ„ïž
I think Diana knew she was not practiced enough to play well, but couldn't pass up an opportunity to upstage Charles and then run away like she was demure and shy. That was plain even in the clip. Denise is not the victim here. Lady C cuffed her like a mama bear.
I remember one of his birthdays. It was HIS birthday and she got attention on herself by supposedly surprising him by sneaking off getting on stage and dancing with John Travolta.
It was our British ballet dancer/choreographer Wayne Sleep, here in the UK, not John Travolta. She danced with JT at the Whitehouse during the Royal US visit.
I think cool heads need to prevail. A bit of an over reaction blanket embargo on your part on the entire book, a bit of an overkill; and indignation on the part of Lady C. Could it be that Lady C had a first hand account of the entire behind the scenes story; the video shown to the public would've been edited to suit a narrative and would only show snippets of what went on? Regardless, Diana could've politely refused the request to play the piano and left the stage to her husband, since it was his day and his time. Her compliance and put on theatricals stole the limelight (as she knew she was the media's darling and hers never stung) lead me to believe Lady C's account. You are reveiwing a book not examining evidence in a court of law and under oath, you can say that you not convinced Lady C/s account is 100 accurate, but to shut down the whole thing? Juvenile, unprofessional. Does everything in every book written about everyone has to be 100% accurate or you will not review it? Itis a book, another side to a story. So both sides need to come down a bit to a middle ground.
Lady C is a vicious gossip and having experienced that first hand, I believe the book is far more untrue than I even expressed in this video. I am not sorry for posing the question that the book was full of exaggeration and now I know I was completely correct. Iâm so relieved to be done with that book.
@@cheeredenise Lady C's response has left you bitter, that's obvious. But don't you think that looking back at your video and realizing that your very strongly questioning of her honesty and integrity as a writer can be very offensive to someone? I felt for you after seeing how much her response made you feel, but this statement is not making you look good. There needs to be some accountability on your part for the things that you said, it's not all on Lady C for the negativity of this situation.
I completely agree. Cheere made a mistake and behaved like a spoiled brat. She should grow up and carefully read Lady C's comments instead of launching into a monumental dummy spit that showed how far fame has gone to her head.
I don't know if it's a lie or not, but I found her responses to you gross and left a bitter taste in my mouth. You can defend your point without attacking the other person.
Had a think about this & your Review was sympathetic toward The Monarchy & brought to light to a younger generation who presumably have watched the Crown & believed all of the mistruths which the Sussex Squad has run with. This Review has revealed that there was more going on behind the scenes via a book that the Younger Generation wouldnât have known about. Observation from a variety of sources, it appears that PD deliberately created a narrative & Styled herself as the Queen of Hearts, which I recollect she stated on ?National Television? . I donât see how the Author has done The Monarchy any favours re the bombardment on Cheere Denise, who asked a question that could have been answered without the overkill of accusations.
@@carolesommer2255 She did not just ask a question. I saw it and I was shocked that Cheere called Lady C a liar based on poorly filmed and cut several times. There are actually several cut versions of that recording. Cheere is doubling down on her ill-advised assertions. And I had to laugh at the characterization of Diana playing well. She was caught off guard and obviously was rusty from not practicing recently. Cheere stated at the beginning of reviewing that she didn't like Lady C, so this is just a mean girl attack and she is looking to twist the slander she committed. And she is continuing to slander her.
Denise has accused Lady C of lying. Lady C can be sued for that. Denise has created a terrible drama that can end up in court. Lady C is a famous author who has written ca 10 books, and now a youtuber is accusing her of lying! Of course, Lady C is angry about that. If Denise doesn't like the truth, she can stop reading the book. PERIOD! She doesn't have to trash-talk Lady C and accuse her of illegal crimes. That's a dangerous path to walk!
@@katarsett9384and if you look at CD comments section, she not only continues to double down that she is right and has done no wrong⊠AND many of her staunch supporters are repeatedly stating that they will return the book, not buy the book, etc⊠Iâm afraid that Cheere does not understand how huge of a problem this could be for her as she has essentially slandered WITH financial consequences! đł Iâm really just so shocked by her and trying to be reasonable about this gets you lambasted by people who are unwilling or unable to be objective
@@katarsett9384 Yes, I was shocked at her attack. It tells us far more about Cheere than Lady C. I would say her irrational reckless slander puts her firmly in line with being very Diana-ish. Neither of them had qualms about publically trying to ruin someone's reputation. There was no grace given. None at all. No further research, and no private request for clarification with Lady C. She was clearly infringing on the Copyright laws, but Lady C was letting her off the hook on that, as long as she took down the calling liar comment. Cheere responded to one of my comments by doubling down and saying Lady C IS a liar. Cheere is on thin ice and I am so disappointed in her. She says she prays, but I wonder if she could actually see Jesus reading through all this if she would be so haughty and judgemental. Funny how some are so righteous and at the same time go against what they claim to believe. Absolutely shocking, but mean girls are shocking.
Charles was not amused at all.he did say something to her before she was asked to play.if you look back at Charles body language you can see clearly hiwasnt happy.i wouldn't under estimate Lady C .she knows the royal gossip
czcams.com/video/OP5jstvwa2Q/video.htmlsi=m3-7sEnmR7GGlRKP 00:26 Charles and Diana are standing together when she walks to the piano. She does not sneak behind him. On this element, Lady C's description is incorrect.
@@N_for_Nellie maybe sneaking behind him doesn't mean literally but has the same meaning.. You can see video is clipped in a few places.. Diana was talking to the man,, was she saying things like I can play piano , do you want me to play for you too. maybe she was saying I can play piano and the man said you can come play too. who knows but lady c has witnesses ,,people were there and said the video is not what happened giving a different perspective.
Maybe she does have connections, but no one is above reproach. She also says she has certain information that she simply cannot tell us - a lot! Iâm with you.
What I see: -Old man, i assume, asks KC3 to play the cello; KC3 can't or doesn't hear him so the creepy old guy leans way too far in and repeats himself. -Diana then reluctantly goes to the piano and plays a few bars before making a mistake when she sees her escape. She tries to escape when the creepy old man grabs and kisses her. -As Diana is rushing away and the camera follows her and we see KC3 he looks more annoyed at the creepy old man for embarrassing his wide and himself. Who knows, she might have burst into tears as she headed out or mouthed something to KC3, so he gave the creepy old guy a death stare. Now, as for Lady C, her SOURCES are good. I would say you found a different clip to the one she is talking about, but I trust you to find the correct clip. Maybe Lady C talked to Diana about this incident, and she said her plan was to embarrass KC3 but clearly failed because it does look like she rushed in after hearing KC3 was playing an instrument.
The video looks highly edited- youâre right- we never have the whole view of the room or event- What happened before Charles sat down? Was Di conversing with the Professor, giggling, whispering? I just think that we missed a lot.
When you google stories written at the time of the event they talk about Charles playing a couple of notes on the cello and Diana then playing a difficult piece on the piano. They also mention Charles ignoring her and looking like a sore loser. I imagine he wouldnât have been too thrilled with her outshining him but he also may have just been annoyed that Diana agreed to play when it wasnât planned. Hard to say. I am not concerned about Lady Cs account because I think it is close enough to what actually happened
In the video, there is a blip between when Charles is sitting down with the cello and when Diana goes to the piano. He is clearly standing to her right at that point, not sitting down with a cello. He does look a bit unhappy and Diana is doing her shy virgin act. There is some missing tape between the cello and the piano. I think it was a mistake to suggest Lady C lied. She may have gotten it wrong, but since the tape I saw clearly had been edited, it could be Lady C knew what went on in that deleted sequence. To then call into question her honesty about everything in the book was a bit rash. On the other hand, I feel like Lady C should have gotten in touch with you personally, rather than venting her outrage in the comments. I've lost a little respect for the both of you.
She didnât look reluctant, she looked delighted, couldnât stop smiling, looked thrilled. The rushing out of the room was the behaviour of a 16 year old. Lady C probably had heard the background story, in fact, knowing how Diana constantly tipped the paparazzi off, she may have even arranged to have this chance. Nothing would surprise me now about how calculating she could be.
@@KP-mb9jx Lady C was recounting what she had been told by someone who was there. The video was so chopped up that one cannot get the full scene. I would not die on that hill, but Cheere is.
â@@textrue9088 Cheers Denise is hardly dying on any hill. On the contrary, she is backing away from a thin-skinned author who isn't capable of any criticism, no matter how justified. Lady C has overreacted in a needlessly aggressive way and done so publicly, that is to say in the comment section. It would have been much more appropriate to have kept this matter private and contacted Cheere Denise by email. I rather suspect that a real lady would have done just that.
@@janicebillington2633 A real lady would have contacted the writer PRIVATELY before asserting with no equivocation that the writer whose work she was using for financial gain despite it being copyrighted, was a liar. Not that this item MAY not have been true. No, Denise went public to the WORLD, and it can never be taken back. Like we tell the kids, nothing can be removed from the internet. I bet Denise has said that over and over to her kids, students, and maybe even on the internet, but here she is. You can make excuses for her imprudence, but she is not a child and I doubt she is new to this behavior. Lady C had to go public, only because Denise had.
perhaps there is an easy explanation , I know a person who has a very bad eyesight and does exactly what the old man did , to read people's facial expressions , that's allđ
Whilst this story does seem quite a negative take on Dianaâs behaviour, I can only say that I did catch a glimpse of Charles looking a bit down in the mouth whilst Diana coyly but I have to say rather gleefully accepted the opportunity to play the piano! Yes she did look a little shocked when that old bloke grabbed a kiss⊠but it was such a short grab of footage largely focussing on Diana more than Charles that I donât think it necessarily revealed the whole story of what went downâŠSo honestly I think if Lady C got this story from someone who was actually there & who actually saw the whole episode plus the coupleâs reactions rather than just a snippet of it shown in this black & white video perhaps we can be more generous to giving Lady C the benefit of the doubt⊠Also I do think Cheere that you would benefit from the book by the Highgrove housekeeper recapped by Shauna at Vintage read⊠there are many stories in it that very much agree with Lady Câs perspective⊠not this particular story but definitely many of the others are very much supported in both books. Unfortunately Housekeepers Diary by Wendy Berry is out of print⊠â€
Can still be accessed as free e-pub library version. Definitely backs up much of what Lady C has said and is a readobably objective view,vtold first hand. Diana was not nice, and how she used those boys as pawns was disgraceful
When Diana started towards the piano & walked by Charles as he stood back from the cello, the moment before the camera followed Diana I caught a very subtle expression?âŠor mask slip?on Charlesâ face. Iâm not talking about when they were both standing. Itâs at the last second of Charles before the camera is all Diana. I wouldâve never caught it had I not been focused on his face which was really redđ€·ââïžI didnât see angerâŠmore like embarrassment or defeat & would rather be anywhere but there. Heâs like a string quartet to Dianaâs Big Brass Bandđșbig blue stripes & all. She couldâve politely gestured towards Charles & whispered to that man âletâs listen first then Iâll play somethingâ but she relished plopping down on that bench with Rachmaninov. Sheâs catnip for little old men & knows it. Whoâs to say what was said to whom after the cameras were off.
That might have been the case, but also could have been media spin calculated to stir up emotion and controversy, which would lead to more stories, leading to more controversy...and on and on. It's what most media outlets did, and still do.
I understand your concern and credit to your critical questioning approach and thatâs why I like your channel although I do not always agree with your interpretation on certain passages or other books in the past, you are right to question this I believe. However, I think there are possible explanations why Lady C describes the event as sh3 did as I think it must have been recounted to her from Charlesâs perspective as I can tell from the footage, Charles was far from pleased that Diana went up to the Piano, perhaps Charles did feel upstaged. TBH, If it was me in Dianaâs shoes, I would have said I wouldnât want to interrupt Charles on his Cello and probably make sure that he had finished his bit before walking up to the piano. Itâs an awkward situation as she couldnât refuse the hostâs insistence as it would have been rude but at the same time Charles was still playing the Cello and looked like he might continue for a bit when she walked up to the piano. Just my take on the matter. In the other hand, I can accept Lady C being wrong and he misled for once. She has been wrong before and if people point out her mistakes politely, she does correct herself and admit her mistakes. X
I suppose we are looking at a piece of film - is there a bit missing? Was Charles still sitting with the Celo when Diana was asked to go to the piano? She didn't go back to him when she finished, she rushed past him. But maybe Lady C wasn't using the film as her reference, I'm guessing she'd eyes on the ground. I don't agree with all Lady's C's political views but she is usually fair- even to Harry and Megan. I didnt see the 'private video' but I'm playing devils advocate- perhaps she is irrate not because of the questioning of certain instances or disagreeing with her conclusions, but the calling into question of her integrity and truthfulness in general.
Just remember the dance Diana did on stage as a "surprise" for Charles. It just isn't done if you're a royal, and she had grown up near enough royals and other aristocrats to know better.
I am not a huge Princess Diana fan, but let's be fair, the truth of that dance wasn't the version in "The Crown", what happened was Prince Charles and Princess Diana had done things for this particular charity before, so when Diana did the dance with a different partner, yes Prince Charles was upset, but he was upset because he wasn't included.
Diana's family was even more of an English aristocrat than the royals, considering the house of Windsor is German and changed their name during the war with Germany. Diana knew better but was too immature to behave like a grown up
@@nadine8764Elizabeth Bowes Lyon was half Scottish and half English aristocracy. Pretty sure the House of Windsor can go back to the early Scottish Kings. Funny how we tend to think of migrants children as British when born here, unless itâs the Royal FamilyâŠ
@@STRANGERINMOSCOW1 I wondered this too as I was a bit late to this kerfuffle and deduced something had been changed⊠small wonder Lady C blew her top with a title like that!
What you dont see is any clips of Charles at that momentâŠâŠso from this snippet we donât know what facial expressions he may or may not have had. Lady C may very well have been in this room at that time or may have seen more of the whole picture than what you have seen.
I understand your concerns. I will say that there was no CZcams in those days and Lady C could not have easily seen the footage. She likely relied on hearsay for this passage. Am I being too loyal??
â@@jessiemacgregor1357 for heaven's sake. Lady C gets two witness accounts. This was likely the reporting if CHARLES version, and he does look sour, and someone else at the event.
@YokohamaSapphire, I don't think you are being too loyal. You're right about how limited our access to information was, pre-internet and pre-CZcams age. Lady C. would have had to rely on eyewitness accounts and then those would have gone through this filter of interpretation. Charles's expression could have been a certain way and one person could see it as anger or embarrassment. The only one who would have know his feeling was Charles himself and why.
@@jessiemacgregor1357 this video is clipped to look a certain way.. Lady C had sources ,, plus people here from Australia has confirmed Lady C had it right.
ON the film it is chopped up and there is no flow. We still do not have evidence of either story. Maybe the guy invited her while he tuned the cello. Maybe Charles played when she was through playing. We know you don't like Lady C so your excitement here is disappointing. And, maybe she described an account told to her by an observer and the clip was chopped up leaving Charles out of it. If this clip was continuous, I would agree with you.
Diana was coaxed to play the piano and looked bashful. She played beautifully and Charles, who wasnât even tuning his cello was proudly, and with surprise,looking at his wive. Lady C has never lied,& always strives for honest proof.
The book written in the late â90âs is an interpretation of events based on direct interviews with Diana and conversations with âroyal sourcesâ - no more, no less. The video clip from the late â80âs is an edited piece and also an interpretation of events by the news agency. You can choose to believe what you want, but neither is objective truth. Books such as this one by any such author must be read in the context in which they were written. Youâre not reviewing a history text book, though any may also contain biased interpretations. Iâve enjoyed your entertaining reads of non-fiction biographies and autobiographies but if youâre truth-seeking, youâve picked the wrong genre and your apparent outrage at realizing this is unfortunate, and inappropriately targeted at this one author.
Although I can agree with most of what you say, Lady c when about this in the wrong way. What she said was unbecoming and frankly and IMO uncalled for.
My comment was posted in response to the original video with the original caption posted to this channel, prior to any response from the bookâs author, and relevant only to the original video with original caption.
I'm about the same age as Diana and remember her well. What stood out to me overwhelmingly about Diana was how much she obviously enjoyed media attention. She frequently acted coyly with her audiences and seemed to enjoy attracting attention to herself, as well as having an observable penchant for spending time with celebrities such as Elton John, for example. This was especially noticeable when one compared her behavior to other royals, e.g., Princess Anne, Prince Charles, the Queen herself, Prince Philip, and now Queen Camilla . . . She simply seemed like an attention-hog, whatever underlying emotions might have motivated her. The only other royal who seemed somewhat similar was perhaps Princess Margaret.
The video of Diana wearing the navy and white striped outfit and playing the piano while visiting the Victorian College of Arts in Melbourne, Australia, was â unearthed 34 yearsâ after the event. The video was published January 11, 2021. Article written by Becky Pemberton.
I do appreciate your investigative review and it has certainly made me question the validity of the book. Donât be discouraged! please continue your quest for the truth. â€
Huh, good point. What was Diana supposed to do there? What would Queen Camilla do, if she could play the piano? What would Catherine do? Would it upstage Charles or William if either of their wives acquiesced to this rather pushy professor? Maybe Lady C heard about a face Charles made that the camera didn't catch. Maybe whoever told Lady C this exaggerated the story to get her attention. Who knows?
Hello, I am 2 years younger than Diana. We all knew what happened on that day. First of all, that video is cut, there was an other one which had the longer version of the events. Diana wanted to play the piano and mentioned that to that older man before Charles started to play the Cello. (without telling something to Charles). When Charles tried to play, Diana did not wait for him to complete and went to play the piano. That two things happened simultaneously. This video was for the propaganda to show the couple has no problem. (to stop the rumors) I remember, when we saw the video, my mother said: 'Did you see? She did it again to make Charles embarrassed.' I can understand that you are so disappointed about Diana and it is very hard to accept what she did, so you are trying to find some errors in the book to undermine LCC. In the end of the day, those things were happening before our very eyes in UK. LCC is trying very polite in her book. We saw more than that.
czcams.com/video/OP5jstvwa2Q/video.htmlsi=m3-7sEnmR7GGlRKP 00:26 Charles and Diana are standing together when she walks to the piano. She does not sneak behind him. On this element, Lady C's description is incorrect.
@osos3574 To most people it may have sounded nice but to anyone who knows anything about classical music and particularly the Rachmaninov 2nd piano concerto, it was atrocious. And it is surprising that a) she chose that piece of music to play b) she didnât start from the beginning and c) it is a piece which is approx 30 minutes long and is played together with an orchestra. Anyone who is asked to play something on the piano in similar circumstances would choose a short piece say 2 - 3 minutes long which is a piano solo piece and would start at the beginning. Clearly she was just trying to show off and embarrass Charles.
This definitely canât be true. Charles wouldnât be in the background of the video when she first walks over if the two things happened simultaneously. There was not that much editing and it was a still shot showing her walk away with the professor. Youâre saying she was off at the piano when Charles was playing, got up and came back, and then went back to the piano for another solo? Doesnât make sense
@@Ariadne-cg4cq Iâm a classical musician (violinist), and wow that was terrible đź she should have played âtwinkle twinkle little starâ or a simple scale lol. I realize her actual talent is sort of irrelevant to the original discussion but yikes that was rough to listen to!
You should read "The Housekeepers Diary", the account by the long time head housekeeper at Highgrove. Her reflections on Diana's behavior match well with Lady C's.
I think, (Iâm no expert) that when an event is planned including the Royals- that there tends to be a certain amount of planning and, I would say bulletin points on the agenda that is to be highlighted⊠Charles was to be the complete focus- they are not to stray from what is expected, each engagement differs. I do see the surprise on Charlesâ face when she is asked to play the piano; I still hold faith in Lady C; she knows the game better than the average person⊠and she definitely hears the intimate parts of a scandal more than us. â„ïž to CDeniseâ„ïž
You are right Cheere to question Lady C's telling of the events, but also remember that the video footage is an edited news broadcast that wasn't always focusing on all the players, and could've compressed time. So, in a sense both can be right and both could be wrong. Example, Charles may not have been showing rage but may have told Lady C's source what he felt and his versions of events. The key thing is no one remembers the same event exactly the same way....but you are absolutely correct in questioning the source.
This is the best explanation of what could happened. Thank you very much, ThumperE23! :-D Lady C. does try to be a good writer and she should be proud of her work. Cheere Denise is a good reader and should be proud of her work. I think both ladies had been presented with differing perspectives of that event with cello & piano. Both are now feeling as if their work and integrity have been attacked and I'm sorry this is happening.
She literally said that. As soon as the footage ended she spoke for nearly a minute about how the reporter also had his edited narrative perspective. JFC I know reading comprehension is low among âLadyâ Câs followers but I guess youâve gotten so used to hearing AHAAH HAHH HAH JA JA JA for hours as âsheâ drones that you canât even concentrate on a 10-minute clip.
It could be edited sure but it clearly shows Charles standing up as she walked to go play. So are you saying Charles played the cello and she was playing piano simultaneously and then she got up, walked back and when Charles was done she went BACK over to the piano with the professor? People commenting this act like media edited video footage back then like they do today, and thatâs not true.
@@oliviah8865 media footage has always been edited. You donât know the history of film, media, or photography if youâd say that. Photos have also been edited since the very discovery of photography. It was called âairbrushingâ before Photoshop because photos would literally be painted over to âeditâ them. This was rampant along with yellow journalism in the 1800-1900s. The idea that anything like narrative perspective or propaganda editing agendas is some millennial phenomenon is absurd.
Diana didn't do Rachmaninow any favours with her performance. She rushed, hit wrong keys .... enjoying someone playing the piano, this defintely wasn't it. Shame on Diana for not having enough grace to politely turn down this "invitation to play" and for up-staging Prince Charles.
@@judyholiday1794 anybody who knows anything about playing the piano and who knows Rachmaninovâs 2nd concerto will know that the small bit she played was pretty bad!
â@judyholiday1794 Speaking as a pianist, she really didn't do a very good job. I don't think she tried to upstage Charles, though. She did inadvertently, but I don't think it was calculated or mean spirited.
I am a pianist, and if I, being in my late 20s, as I believe Diana was at the time, had been asked to play something with cameras all around me, I would have not felt that I could say no. In this case, Diana may have felt the same way. Today, much older, I would refuse due to limited practice time.
Donât let her steal your sunshine. Please keep doing reviews. Maybe you can read Andrew Mortons book on Diana. Or the Housekeepers Diary (its out of print but you can find a copy)
Diana sent tapes to Andrew Morton and in return, he wrote the book to flatter her and destroy Charles. It is definitely unworthy of anyone buying it. He is also making noise about selling those tapes that she got one of her lovers to sneak over to the author.
To me, you are falling for narrative Diana hoped you would. I think you do have a bias against Lady C as much as I am for her. So we both come with our bias.
I agree she was not happy about reading Lady C. So she already had a biad. And by the comments here, shows there have been bitter people telling Cheere snarky things that was just their own opinion...the Die For Saint Diana's perhaps.
Watch the video carefully. Charles is standing beside Diana when she is asked to play piano. Charles is not holding a cello. She is hesitant then walks over and plays briefly then rises. A man forcefully kisses her then Diana walks quickly to the door passing Charles as she leaves. Charles is showing no emotion. Nothing happened here. Move on
@@hoolydooly5799 yes - I think the MM camp is telling Cheere all this. Trying to discredit Lady C who has a new book out. Dug up a video which clearly shows Diana set this up. But we KNOW Diana was the Queen of setups. Trust me, I thought Diana was a saint too back then.
@@leslieplayfair9836 The video is cliped a few time.. you do not clearly see that possibly Diana was telling the man I play piano , I can play if you want... People who were there said the story Lady C wrote about is right.
I stumbled across an interview with Lady C this evening đŠđș on a channel called Scandalous Media, promoting her new book . During the interview she referenced one of her Diana books, the first I think. She told the story that her American publishers told her she HAD to put Diana in a more positive light or sheâd have people throwing rocks/bricks at her hotel. So the several times youâve made the comment that she was very generous in her assessment of Diana as a mother and certainly I & I imagine most others have agreed with you THAT story might explain why. As sheâs said elsewhere âDiana was a loving mother. She wasnât a good mother.â probably says it all.
Parents who uses their children to listen to them vent their spleens about all their woes, arenât thinking of whatâs best for their kids. And Di used PW as a confidant for things kids shouldnât have to be buried with. If Di was having issues, she needed to speak to a therapist about it, and not offload it on PW.
I recall reading about this event back when it happened. The way I recall the story from the time is that the point of the event was Charles reuniting with his cello teacher and the work the maestro was still doing with young people. The way I remember the story is that Diana indeed tried to upstage CharlesâŠin her shy way, she mentioned she could play piano, and because of that she got asked up to play. The thing that rang as exaggerated by Lady C was how she reported Charlesâs reaction. Again, I recall it being reported that Charles just sadly watched her upstage him with grace while probably inwardly seething. At the time this happened, the press adored her and thought she could do no wrong, but even the reporter I read indicated that she did it deliberately to upstage Charles and then acted all shy and coy about it; and that she darted out the door at the end because she knew she had humiliated him. So yes, Lady C may have exaggerated events a little, but the press traveling with them at the time questioned Dianaâs motives at this event. Lady C was not thereâŠshe probably heard the story from a reporter who recounted it by adding his/her impression of Charleâs feelings and so Lady C embellished the story. But I have always heard the story as Diana deliberately stealing the spotlight from Charles. She was not invited there to play the pianoâŠthe event was about Charles reuniting with his teacher and the students the teacher had on stage at the time. Instead, Diana made it about herself. I think we can trust Lady C on this oneâŠ
@@Jossianne19130 Iâm starting to wonder myself, especially since this video as well as the next remains up! This sure is garnering her a lot of attention.
YES - thank you for this , this is how I see it and also one comment from Australia said she was there and Lady C is correct --- I am also wondering if the words Diana snuck up is not literal but figurative... Why is Cheere so stuck on those words when she reads a lot and should pick up on stuff like that. I am wondering if her bias against Lady C is clouded her judgement .. writers, story tellers use figurative language to describe events a lot.
Even when Lady C is doing her videos, I just listen to everything she says as gossip and hearsay. I doubt that her "sources" are as close as she claims. Just take everything with a pinch of salt...
Why would you think that .. Lady C knows many would love to sue her and many have sued her.. She has won all of her cases accusing her of lying. There is no doubt she would be on her toes more intently now with the likes of Meghan in the family and Meghan sues anyone and everyone she can or else get them fired. The fact lady C still has a channel shows she is not lying.
Charles did look unhappy when Diana went and played the piano. Everyone in Australia loved Diana so the narrator would have been commenting on the obvious, oblivious to the undercurrent. Lady C has back channel information from the palace. Just like when Meghan came to Australia. Itâs only coming out now about the turmoil of the tour.
I believe the original footage I saw was cut together to make it look like Diana snuck up to the piano while Charles was tuning up. Maybe that's the footage Lady C saw?
As I have said in a prior post, lady c sells books. I believe we need to take what she says with a grain of salt sometimes. A deep dive into her life might explain her slant on things.
Remember, too, Cheere, you are looking at this as an American, at an event that is 40 yrs old, where there were 'rules' of etiquette that you don't know. She was there to support Charles. She was there to support a royal message with Charles. Her playing was meant to dazzle, therefore, meant to upstage. Just not done. Whether Lady C found out from courtiers later that he was mad - doesn't really matter - it was a No, No! It was humiliating. It was not done. Catherine would never have done that.
She was invited to play. Lady C said she sneaked behind Charles to upstage him. Then too, to refuse an invitation would have been a poor sport when perhaps the man asking wasnât thinking of anything other than including her in his request for amateur musicianship to encourage his students. This is a clear misrepresentation of events by Lady C. It doesnât mean everything she said is a lie, but this is.
â@@suzeeq3704The way it seems to me, is that she was there to support Charles and must have went behind his back before the event and orchestrated that moment. Why else would she be asked to play the piano? Why would anyone know she could play? Why not ask her to play the cello like Charles? It was a set up and Charles was caught off guard. He looked shocked and embarrassed. Diana's grandmother lady fermoy knew the score and when she knew Charles was going to marry Diana rather than one of her sisters she tried (unsuccessfully) to warn the queen mother against the match. She said Diana, her granddaughter, was a "schemer"
â@@cheeredenisehe would not have invited her to play *unless* it was made known to him that she could play. Yes, she should have declined. Most definitely, she should have declined. Absolutely declined. Lady C is talking about facts. ***That man was Charles cello teacher*** That man had no history with Diana. Would have had no knowledge of Di "ability" to play had she not said something. It is still what Lady C said. The narrator is going over already edited material. Truthfulness? You must know by now on whose side media went for - Diana's.
Your hysterical and malicious assertion that I lied has been brought to my attention. You might care to consider taking it down as a) it is untrue; b) it is defamatory; c) it is unjustified, and d) it does your impartiality and claims to proportionality no favours. You have leapt to a conclusion based upon a distorted - and one suspects, self-aggrandising - perception. If you were really concerned about being factual and fair, you would not have relied upon one of the many edited clips of an event that took place presumably b efore you were even born. If you are going to criticise the writings of authors, you might care to consider the standard devices of which all reputable authors avail themselves. These include such phenomena (at least where you are concerned) of figures of speech, conveyance of tone and atmosphere etc etc. You have opportunistically and unscrupulously jumped upon an account that in no way can be twisted into the perverse interpretation you have placed upon it. You have no knowledge of who my sources were, or of the situation as it unfolded. You were not an eye witness. You have never seen or been party to a recounting of the occasion. You have ignored a host of reports from reputable sources, all of which accord with the interpretation conveyed to me by my source. If you are aiming to be taken seriously as a book critic, you should consider refraining in the future from gross misrepresentations and exaggerations. You might also care to consider that I have hitherto refrained from requiring you to refrain from breaching the copyright of my book, which you have been milking exhaustively as if you have a right to plug into it and use it to make an exhaustive and copyright breaching of the labours of others. I trust you will now be eager remove your patently unfounded falsehood without further ado, if only to demonstrate to your following that you possess at least the appearance of integrity. I reserve all my rights with regard to this and all your other offences to date which relate to my book.
Thank you for dignifying my insignificant channel with your response. Iâm sure my viewers will enjoy your comment. I have many loyal fans of yours who no doubt let you know about this video and who will relish this âtelling offâ. Thank you for making their day!
Am I to understand that if I do not remove the content of this book you plan to pursue legal action? The authors of every other book I have covered have welcomed the coverage and enjoyed the reviews. I am astounded at your thin skin. I will be happy to remove this content if you find it so offensive.
@@cheeredenise Your offer to remove the content is accepted. Please do so forthwith. It is offensive. It is also untrue and defamatory. There is a difference between valid criticism and personal and unfounded abuse. You elected to take the latter course, and did so with unseemly, one could say, malicious relish, as your histrionic headline confirms. How you could have come up with the interpretation that I lied is beyond reason, and to assert that I told a HUGE lie - your emphasis, not mine - compounded the offence. I do not propose to get into a wrange with you as you seek to project your actions so that they become my failings, even down to the thickness of my skin. I have no offence to defend, and I will not be sucked - or sickered - into defending something that does not exist. Nor am I concerned in the least about the reaction of any other author whose work you have criticised. I do not find defamation desirable, nor do I need your - or indeed anyone else's - attentions. If others do, that is a matter for you and them, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with me. May I observe before signing off that it is perplexing indeed that you would assert that your viewers would be able to enjoy a telling off when the content is taken down. If it is down, how can they enjoy the telling off? Being much older than you, I leave you with the observation that there are times in life when throwing one's hands up and admitting an error reflects well, not adversely, upon one. You are patently bright enough to appreciate that it is in your interest to take down the offending item. You might like to consider that graciousness rather than one part sneer and one part jeer might have been , you might have been a more constructive approach. For my part, I am prepared to mark this down to youthful error and the excesses of too much ambition, as long as it is taken down without delay.
@LadyColinCampbellCZcams just this video or all the videos about your book?
You might also like to consider, in the interest of your future perspective as well as well being, that no responsible critic alights upon one error in a book of several hundred pages, even if it proves to be a genuine error - which is certainly not the case in this instance - as proof that everything else must be wrong and that the author must be a liar. Such extrapolation is the mark of irrrationality, disproportionality, and illogical expectations. Presumably you were not taught proportion either in ethics or art, which would be hardly surprising, considering your age and the dire state of education nowadays. If you're going to be a critic, you might care to develop those aspects of your character which will enhance ratehr than diminish your obversational skills.
@LadyColinCampbellCZcams
Your concerns are noted. Thank you for letting me know so well how you feel.
@Cheere Denise, Iâm sad this happened. Your accent of Diana is đŻ
I also love your Harry & Charles accents. I enjoy your channel immensely! â€
Bar none, you did the best ever, imitation of Diana!
I hope Iâll get to use it again! Honestly, I had no idea I could do a Diana impression and suddenly it was coming out! It was a lot of fun while it lasted!
I hadn't watched all of the episodes you posted on the book, but having lived as an adult through the Princess Diana era, the Diana in this video reminded me of why people were so charmed by her and the public adoration.
And the public was very much on aware of the act Diana was playing for them which as been confirmed by many sources over time.
â@@louonUTpeople who were jealous of her. I find it very rude for people to talk badly about a dead woman that cant defend herself. Yes you can say anything about a dead person. What are they gunna do. She was very well loved watch her funeral. If so deceptive people wouldnt have loved her so much. But continue lieing on a dead person it makes you feel so proud.
@@joycenichols6187 I donât lie on a dead woman. Diana told these stories for a book that her and Lady C wrote together . Diana had many many affairs which started soon after marrying Charles. Lady C did not want to write about all the men Diana slept with . Lady c picked 4 that were longer affairs and did not want to put the one night stand in the book and some were with married men. If you want to believe media over Diana that is your deal. Books about public figures have been written about all through the ages .
@@louonUT Very well said. Lady C knew Diana personally - very well indeed. And also knew many people in the same circles. I have often heard her say (in interviews) that D had a good and a bad side. Cheere, who clearly said she was not a fan of Lady C, read the book without the author's permission and basked in all the adulation she received from it. Then, without any proof, called Lady C a liar and cast aspersions on all her work. Who would sit back and take that without responding? Cheere should apologise. It'a still not too late. She would regain my respect if she did rather than drawing all this out by playing the victim and looking pathetic..
@@margotriou2798 I knew from comments Cheere said about lady C about a year ago when considering if she should read a lady C book or not that he didnât like lady C and it seem to be deep. . However I had no idea Cheere could or would be this vindictive. I have been reading through the comments and commenting . I am surprised that Cheere has not considered any of the very good advice many people have given to her. She refuses to consider her wrong and some comments she made to others is shockingly nasty. I see she has also deleted a couple of her comments , so she knows she is being cruel. Not sure why I am surprised-the fact she took down all her lady C videos but left up the one accusing Lady C of lying speaks volumes about Cheere Denise who comes across sweet as pie on her channel.
Thanks for the info, and yes your observations about errors and exaggerations are valid in media issues. Have noticed the same things about media stories I have personal knowledge of and wondered what else could be mistaken.
A close relative of mine was a public figure, and after his death saw newspaper articles that contained errors, one carried mention of my sister making a public speech, that never happened.
Just remember, in life we cannot know all but be prepared to adjust your thinking as new info comes in.
I am aware of Lady Câs flaws and also her intelligence. I have âknownâ Diana from the moment she became engaged to the Prince of Wales, and from the day of the wedding, i knew it would fail. I never warmed to her, I found her manipulating, I also felt sorry for her as she was stuck in a loveless marriage. I think the book sums up how I feel about Diana.
Your commentary raises a point you encourage your listeners to debate. Her responses seem to be in line with an outburst of narcissistic rage. I have felt the ick and discomfort from some of Lady Cs videos and have questioned what is missing from my life that I am spending time watching one human relish taking down othersâŠyes she is connected, intelligent, well-connected and entertaining. I have seen her be so kind and supportive to other CZcamsrs. In retrospect, I realize that her kindness was likely in response to their sycophantic interactions. I was so impressed with you when you voiced your reluctance to do a Lady C book based on your âickâ feelings. I am also impressed you had an open mind to try. I think Lady C will be more negatively impacted by her response to you than anything youâve put in a video. I look forward to your future endeavors, your character is admirable.
Excellent comment
I feel ick when I see people approving of the fact that Denise used Lady C's copyrighted work for her own financial benefit and then based it on one poorly filmed, highly chopped-up film. There are quite a few others of better quality, so why use this one? Denise went straight to "she is a liar" instead of "looking at this one film, I can't interpret the same as Lady C." Lady C knew people who were there, and they reported this.
@@textrue9088Cheere Denise didnât say Lady C is a liar. She only acknowledged that Lady Câs description is nothing like what we see in the video, and thatâs enough to make one wonder if there are any more examples.
I like Lady C, Iâve been following her since the pandemic, and thereâs something Iâve noticed for a long time: she canât stand the smallest hint of criticism.
Many times Iâve heard her say inaccurate things, I never left a comment.
She came onto Cheere Denise like a bulldozer and much to our loss, because the reviews she was making were splendid and quite flattering to Lady Câs book. It only took one episode to make her jump and, may I say, threat in a most unladylike manner.
Now we canât even rewatch those videos or recommend them, as I would like to do.
@@TeresaLeandro "She is a liar" was splashed all over this very post on the cover page when Lady C was alerted to it, and gave her response to Denis. That is when she changed/edited it to something less shocking. However, on my first comment, she replied to me DIRECTLY, "She is a liar." She replied the same thing to others who challenged her. Before you make a flat-out statement like that, do some reading of the comments and her replies. Denise was very deceptive when she kept this post up, but deleted the rest of the book posts. I liked reviews before this, but I found out too much about her character to enjoy any more of them. By the way, we develop battle scars from our past experiences, and Lady C has plenty of them from her formative years and she is not going to be stepped on by an arrogant little nobody making money from Lady C's and other authors' labor. It is against the law, and Lady C rightly pointed it out. And calling her a liar is a slander, also against the law. As I said, "She is a liar" was plastered all over the cover page of this post until she decided to edit it.
The Vintage Read Show reviewed a book called The Housekeeperâs Diary written by the housekeeper at Highgrove during the years Charles and Diana were married and I would say that thereâs a very close parallel between that book and Lady Câs book. Apparently The Housekeeperâs Diary was banned in the UK.
Hi friend looks like we follow the same crew -I love them all
Agree
Iâm hoping that Cheere Denise will review that one next.
@@gigig2492 or at least read it herself
I wish Cheere could get ahold to that one. Because that was an excellent review by Shauna. I tried to find the book. But it's hard to find and costly.
Cheere I have truely enjoyed your reading of this book.
As an Australian I have a strong memory of this occasion. I believe this is an edited clip for the evening news at a time when some of our reporters thought she could do no wrong. Charles did not just draw the bow over a couple of strings, and footage between his playing and his standing, is cut. The commentary at the time was pretty much as Lady C wrote, and was just one of the incidents of one up man ship from Diana. You have every right to question this footage but always remember it may not be unedited. I was concerned when you uttered the wordsâŠglaring lieâŠ.maybe a bridge too farâŠI certainly believe so.
Well said, Cath.
I am a fan of both Cheere Denise and Lady C! And I am certain that Cheere's pronouncement that "it is a lie" is a bridge too far. If only Cheere had said, "in my opinion" a few times and not slammed this one questionable incident and Lady C personally with such vigor, and especially after reviewing only one video that doesn't seem to match one incident in the book. That should have been a red flag: what is missing here? The Diana incident was decades ago, and no one had a camera phone then. Broadcasters always controlled the video footage and indeed imbued their own "spin" into their reporting. Cheere should also know that her opinion is not always implied and understood; especially in today's world. Any author might take the pronouncement the same as Lady C did; however, I do think LC could, and should have, contacted Cheere with a private message expressing her concern and distaste for the review rather than creating this negative atmosphere. Neither ladies will benefit from this public meltdown.
@@LM-ov6bv Well said. Both need to take a deep breath, wait 24 hours, and re-evaluate. Cheere Denise should not have said "it is a lie" knowing that just viewing edited footage does not mean you are seeing the full event. Tread carefully, Cheere Denise, when accusing someone of a lie. And Lady C's comments should have been private at the beginning, and if the issue could not be resolved, then Lady C could decide how to handle the situation - confront publicly or legal action. The commentors here show that some are choosing to not watch Lady C's channel and not to buy the book, thereby showing damages to Lady C - whether the damages come from her reputation being damaged by Cheere Denise's words or by Lady C's public response would have to be determined at some point.
@@LM-ov6bvLady C was slandered publicly so I think it was right to stand up for herself publicly. Otherwise all Cheereâs followers are left with a convincing argument lady C lied which she did not .
Thank you @Cathmay642 for the excellent comment! I totally understand why Lady C had trouble containing herself when Denise asked viewers to question the validity of pretty much everything that Lady C has written about in her more than 18 published books. Adding to the insult, she is questioning Lady C's integrity while making money reading her book. Let's face it, Denise takes sales away from all the authors whose books she reads, and yet these authors, including Lady C, have always been gracious and generous in this regard. While Lady C might have come out all barrels blazing, Denise couldn't have been so ignorant as to how her 'glaring lie' comment would be received by a writer who is SO careful to make sure her work is truthful and authentic.
As a Canadian who loves and has followed our monarchy since childhood, and who is closer in age to Lady C than to Denise, I also get exasperated with the media and the YTuber's (many of them Americans) who have seized the financial opportunity in the royals, and without background history or understanding of the institution, put their uninformed and unsubstantiated opinions out into the world. It's not hard to understand that Lady C, with her vast knowledge of history, the players, along with her truly impressive intellect, would be totally frustrated and sometimes furious. This is a woman who knew Diana, and with her connections, saw and heard it all first hand. I know how the press have 'edited' much of the Diana content since her death, but there are many of us that still remember how Diana manoeuvred in those days to garner attention for herself, and away from Charles. Questioning the life work of Lady C based on a nastily edited 60 second sound bite was really out of line, but doubling down again, has only made it worse. Denise, an apology to Lady C is warranted and removing both videos would be the right move. I would love to have the fiercely loyal Lady C as a friend, as she is supportive to so many, including the excellent Australian channel, The Vintage Read Show, who also reviews books.
Cheere, there has been so much said I did not want to just give an opinion. This was our BiCentenary 1988, and so this occasion was covered by many news services. There is footage ITN of this event and the reporter has an English accentâŠ.probably for the British news service.
ââ and then the wily professor tried the Princessââ (who was indicating with her hand, pointing, she played the piano) ââ her rearguard action of coyness was bound to end in surrender and she knew it.ââ
COYNESSâŠfeigning shyness or modesty in an attempt to seem alluring.
My memory of this day in Melbourne was definitely of Diana trying to upstage Charles.
She did indicate she played the piano.
Maybe Lady Câs description was not totally accurate, but she did not write a GLARING LIE.
The footage is edited. She looks like she understands she can outshine Charles in this situation. She looks embarrassed that her fingers missed in her performance. Doubt Charles would be obviously angry, in a way we would know. The story was likely relayed to Lady C by Diana.
There's another occasion when Charles is on a stage with his cello, and Diana is in a ballgown, and she does what Lady C says. She is not exaggerating.
Iâll see if I can find that!!
That could explain the difference in her point of view
@@cheeredenise The full video might never have been on CZcams since this Royal visit was more than 40 years ago, but many of us have always known about Dianaâs upstaging of Charles at that particular event. In the absence of video proof, one cannot conclude the event didnât unfold per the authorâs description of it, or that she is lying. Based on the videoclip you presented, I feel there could even be different opinions of what happened. This author is meticulous about accuracy and truth. (THE truth, not HER truth). However, if there was even one blatantly incorrect issue and you thought the author was misleading readers, I still donât believe it would warrant questioning the book in its entirety, the authorâs other books, or her integrity. This is essentially defamation, although you probably had no intention to defame her.
Read âThe Housekeepers DiaryââŠ..it corroborates so much from someone who was there. The video we can easily find in 2024 was not available at the time when the book was written. Perhaps statements relayed to Lady C from people who were there varied from the edited clip from the TV/news media? Perhaps Diana herself told Lady C about the incident. Regardless, royal protocol and etiquette demands that Diana should have declined to step forward to play when this moment was meant for the Prince. I actually remember seeing this footage at the time and still feel that her running off after playing was a silly immature way to conduct herself. With any book, a bit of author bias will creep in (in my opinion)
The review chapter by chapter is still available on The Vintage read. Shanna is from Australia and an ardent Royalist. She is so entertaining! This is the Housekeepers Diary which is out of print so hard to get a copy of the book. KC recently pardoned the author for writing it so she could come back to England as her son was battling cancer
Who is the author of
"The House Keeper's Diary "
What if PC encouraged his wife and is masculine enough to not be threatened by her abilities. What if a man lifts his lady up? Women are far worse than men at tearing other women down.
@@deeshires8721KC pardoned the writer, heâs King not the ruler, she wasnât outlawed.
Whether or not she should have played, the video clearly shows that she was not playing the piano while Charles was playing cello. It shows Charles standing there when Diana first leaves to go plait he piano. So are we not supposed to believe our own eyes in that regard?
Love your channel and enjoy listening to you. Sending you my †and support .
I disagree with you . Diana was vain and she did a lot of things to upstage Charles and worse she lied about what happened in their life and dismissed her accountability in the marriage . Sorry I totally disagree with you and I think I am overreacting.
The video is a clip in time - not the entire story. She could have declined couldnât she? She was obviously prepared to play a pretty complex piece. I believe Lady C â version.
Seems like poor sport to decline.
Sounds like the census here is giving a pass to Lady C. Being an American we received limited coverage on this event. But I believe Diana never passed up an opportunity to be center stage when sometimes she should have. In this case she might have taken a pass and because we donât see Charlesâs reaction while she plays, we really canât say he wasnât put off by her actions. BTW she seems to tower over him with that hat and those heels. Intentional?
I read that once divorced, Diana got rid of her low heeled shoes, which she resented. So yes, I think she felt displeased to have to be in a secondary role as the one married to the royal. The difference is that with Diana, that feeling developed over time. With Meghan, it seemed to be instantaneous with her always grabbing at Harry to train him to let her go first.
Yes, it usually was.intentional
@@afquan9211 The Spencers have always felt that their pedigree was much more âroyalâ than the actual royals (like many other British aristocratic families do). This was due to the fact that many generations ago they had a âroyalâancestor and felt that the actual Royal family were beneath them due to the fact that they have a lot of German blood in them. The fact that the German blood is equally royal doesnât seem to count. In addition until the 20th century when marrying non royals became acceptable, it was always the custom for royals to marry into other royal families from other European countries. Hence hardly any of them were pure blooded descendants of one royal house from a single country only.
Diana was actually 5'11" and charles is 5'10", so she always is and looks taller. The wardrobe in the 1980s was a hoot!
@@Ariadne-cg4cq If you can find it, Diana's father Earl Johnnie Spencer, gave a speech right before the wedding about how the Spencers have supported the RF for hundreds of years and how lucky the RF was to get a Spencer!
Yes, I agree she exaggerated. I also agree that Diana did not miss any opportunity to upstage Charles, which was the point Lady C was trying to make. In my opinion she should have politely declined, but it did not take much to convince her. The footage that made me start to look at her with the side eye was when they visited Wales, recently married, and Charles is giving a speech and is going on about his new wife and how beautiful she is and how lucky he is, and she twists her mouth and the crowd laughs. He turns around, totally embarrassed, and makes a comment about it's amazing what a women would do when your back is turned. It was so disrespectful and they were just married! That is what did it for me.
oh for gods sake. She made a jokey face and she's disrespectful.
@@glen7318Diana often made appearances with Charles about herself. Whether it was through her âpity me expressionsâ, or briefing the media.
@@glen7318 She had the whole room laughing at him. Did you notice HIS face afterwards?! He was totally embarrassed. Yes it was disrespectful!! She was always being disrespectful to him in public. If she acted more like Camilla does, maybe her marriage would have survived.
I hope you're feeling better today after all that nonsense you had from lady c , You are so beautiful and sweet, ignore that nonsense and carry on with your reviews x
@@pamphillips4055 Lady C has every right to defend herself from a foolish ad hominem attack on her character as a person. Before you try to equivocate, Cheere responded to my disappointment in what she said by repeating these very words, "She is a liar." No one knows you, so if she called you a liar, so be it, no one knows you, but we all know Lady C. Cheere took no consideration for how many charities Lady C throws herself into or her friendships around the world, and the fact that she has not lost any defamation suits in her life because she nails down her sources.
Before CZcams, at the time this particular moment was billed as her upstaging Charles.
Most definitely, it was.
Hear, hear
Let's also remember, though, that much of the media was into inflaming emotions and creating controversy which meant more stories and more readers. It's what they did, and still do.
He wasnât hard to upstage. Her mere presence did that.
Poor Charley boy, such a weed heâs upstaged by a younger woman being a more adept musician, he should have applauded her.
Playing the whatever piece she played she PRACTICED before hand. KC3 looks gobsmacked. Not sure where he looks proud. Dianaâs overacting on being shy is what stood out to me. And then running off? She is a Royal not some young teenager.
Exactly!
It was clearly a piece she knew from memory. She'd have played it many times. Nothing whatever underhanded about that.
@@suzanking5625 sure! Like I said, she was sooooo shy too.
@@suzanking5625 I am a pianist and I can tell you that Diana could only play a few bars of Rachmaninovâs piano concerto No 2 which was the bit she played on numerous occasions. She could not play the whole concerto (which is over 30 minutes long and requires an orchestra to play it properly) to save her life. It is not particularly difficult but still beyond the capacity of someone who could only play simple pieces on the piano. And she played it very badly and made numerous mistakes! In addition whenever the opportunity presented itself it was the only thing she ever played in public. It is obvious that she had piano lessons as a child but never got very far.
@@Ariadne-cg4cq i think her grandmother was at professional standard, so i dont know if any influence there.
I noticed this with her account of what happened at Birkenhead and Meghan's baby bump diving... yes, in the photos it looks like her dress crinkled around her knees and there is "something there", but in the video you can clearly see Meghan walking pretty normally. If there was a prosthetic bump between her knees, she wouldn't be able to walk at all! I don't like the Harkles one bit, but let's not overreach with fake babies and bump diving. They proved to be horrible people without having to involve conspiracy theories and we will never know what is really going on unless they or the Palace tell or show. Which will never happen, so let's just enjoy this book club and take everything with a grain of salt. Love you Cheere.
There was a very slight drop to the bump. Like 1 inch or so. The Royal Grift debunked the bump falling to Meghan's knees thing. Lady C said it happened but left it open as to exactly where and when and to what degree (how far the drop) it might have happened.
I agree. Itâs just common sense that you wouldnât just walk with a moon bump between your knees. Also a strap or something would have to break and you would realize that long before the bump would get to your knees. I also agree that there is enough to look at without playing into things that are outlandish.
It has been shown that the incident of the "bump" sliding to her knees was NOT at Birkenhead but at a previous visit to another venue on the same day. I think by the time they got to Birkenhead, the bump had been corrected. (You can compare exterior photos of that day. Birkenhead will have a gray building background; the other venue will be red brick.)
Yep, this example is exactly why felt like I needed to say something. The bump âat her kneesâ narrative is one thatâs still commonly accepted but I knew the first time I saw the photo that it was just a wonky photo (she still had a bump on her stomach so was she wearing two moon bumps?). The Royal Grift did a great breakdown of the photos taken that day, the location, and H&Mâs mannerisms all in a reaction to this one line from Lady Câs book. Thereâs a full video of the incident, the bump DID slightly slip when Meghan took her hand off the bump for a moment, and she quickly puts her other hand under the bump. Do I think Meghan used a moon bump? Absolutely. But I also think this one incident has been used to sensationalize that fact, thus ultimately giving people the ability to dismiss the entire pregnancy debate & ignore every unnatural display of her stomach Meghan made in those months. I think Lady C knows it wasnât at her knees, but I think she kept it in the book because she knows if Meghan sued, then ALL the evidence of her pregnancies would be put under a microscope on a massive scale. Meghan has WAY more to lose. Using the Birkenhead example actually HELPS Meghan. So Lady C has no problem sensationalizing the situation when itâs safe.
Thereâs nothing wrong with acknowledging two things can be true, and thatâs what I feel Cheere did here. She clearly doesnât specifically say âwell this whole book must be bullshit.â I personally donât know how to feel about Diana. I think her untimely death gave her martyrdom in a way. When I see her interviews & appearances she always seems stiff and backward. Thereâs something in her eyes that makes me incredibly uncomfortableâŠwhether itâs her own discomfort or some hidden lie I canât say. Do I think she loved her kids? Yes. Do I think she made bad decisions? Yes. She was in the unenviable position of being a young woman with a cheating husband & she couldnât handle it.
@@emkay888 Well said, persuasive observations, and logical analysis. Like you I also have little patience with the "fake pregnancy, no baby" thinking.... thank you.
I have seen another version of this video that depicts this event another way. Try to find one that doesnât have a cut in it because I swear I watched Charles playing his instrument poorly and Diana get on the opposite side of the stage as he was playing. I donât remember anyone walking behind anyone. But thereâs a cut in this footage that distorts reality.
Yes, I saw that one, long ago. It shocked me that she was so clearly competing with and shaming him. Iâm far from perfect, but I promise you I cannot imagine behaving that way towards my own husband, EVER, and we have been married 50 years.
@@shahbanouscheherazade5651wow 50 years?! Thatâs incredible congratulations!! Iâve been married for 15 years and I can tell you I would also NEVER treat my husband like this. I hate it when people disrespect their spouses or partners especially in public, and you donât have to have a thorough grasp of royal protocol to see that she was out of line here. I also believe this footage is deceiving, itâs clearly been edited.
@Mortem_inrita_non_potes Love your user name. Yes. To paraphrase, "The mortem always wins."
@@vancouvervixen4253 ahh sweet.. so which meaning of a vixen are you ? so many meanings people have when they use vixen... you seem like the nice version
@@louonUT thatâs very kind of you! I certain aim to align myself with the more positive version⊠though I must say I feel quite grossed out after contending with some of the very unpleasant people in this comments section. Itâs like trying to reason with a pack of hyenas.
Iâve been helpfully informed that leaving multiple comments as part of different discussions equates to being a bot, and taking a centrist position where one points out that there is error on both sides here means youâre definitely a flying monkey for LCC. The cognitive dissonance of the way people are acting here while supposedly defending someone else from bullying is absolutely wild!!
Balanced and reasonable comments such as yours are refreshing. Best of luck out there! đ
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a " lie ". What I see on the video is her upstaging Charles yet again and loving every minute of it !
The young woman called lady C a liar more than once. That video was heavily edited. You do not call an established author a liar on the world stage of You Tube based on a heavily edited video, if you have any ethics.
@@lynw.6140I would.
I think you are overreacting. Diana by this time knew very well she could divert attention onto herself away from Charles. She knew that she would be invited to play. We know now that the "Shy Di" image was not real. She used to put her head down because she was conscious of her height and then she just went with it when she became a public figure. There were similar articles about this very same event that came out years ago and they all said the same thing as said by Lady C.
I have noticed , head down detracts from her larger nose
As for Diana's behavior, it was attention grabbing and disrespectful to Charles. it is typical nutmeg. This book was nutmegs template for misbehavior in every way.
I think Lady C is the one overreacting
@@deeshires8721what a spiteful thing to say
@@LouisaWattno, Lady C was not overreacting.
We all know Catherine can play now but what if we didn't have a clue and Wm was promoting was promoting music educ and played a few notes on a musical instrument that his prof taught him - that is supposed to be the royal event!
Not Catherine saying - look at me I can play too.
Charles and what he was there for was forgotten.
As he is the royal, spotlight is/sb on him, unless it is her gig and he is there supporting her - which it wasn't.
Diana turned upstaging Charles into a fine art, have seen many clips over many years of this, and there are quotes from people who were there, tend to believe lady C.
The news presenter is not going to point out anything that is critical of either Diana or Charles. He is there for a "feel good " piece. You can't actually think that the would point out that Diana upstaged Charles and embarrass them both.
EXACTLY
What an excellent observation. On one hand I can see what you're saying but on the other I can see she was devious and conniving as well. This could all be an act. Very interesting.
Could there have been another occasion when Diana attempted to upstage Charles? Perhaps this wasn't an isolated musical demonstration.....?......
Diana has been invited but she should refuse. It was not her event. I remmeber this case very well. It has been discussed a lot years ago.
Pretty sure it would have been rude to decline to play when invited.
@@retrogradepink even for her beloved husband? đ€«
@@retrogradepink She should have said she was a bit rusty, and she WAS and might play another time.
It MAY have been that ONLY Charles was supposed to play the cello. But Diana made sure it be known to the organizers that she plays the piano awesomely (behind his back) and made sure to get the opportunity to upstage KC3. He looked sort of taken aback in the video. If you look, she is acting all shy and âooh do I have to?â When privately she probably RELISHED showing off her skills. It looks too much of a show knowing she was never shy. You should look at the entire trip and then decide. I think you have to give Lady C the benefit of the doubt with her words.
Absolutely what I wS thinking. I remember that occasion. He was definitely not happy. She didn't follow protocol and played anyway. She, if anything, was supposed to politely decline and be there for KC.
@@tessab.5379 I can see that for sure. KC3 is sitting there wondering âwhat just happenedâ. She ran awayyy like a shy bride. Shameful. Total setup. No wonder Meghan tries those really weird âI am so shyâ giggles.
The running away says it all!
I agree she purposely upstaged him. KC was warming up but didnât get the chance to play because of Diana. A supportive wife would have declined in order to let her partner shine. Diana knew she attracted attention and encouraged the press to the point KC was overshadowed throughout their marriage.
@@deeshires8721 exactly. Like a shy 10yr old. Come on now!!!
Well, lady C certainly can tell a juicy story....đ ââïž
but not a lying story
I have never read any book about Diana either by lady C or anyone else. Nor did I read anything written in magazines, because I donât buy gossip magazines. . The only news publication I used to buy during the time Diana was alive was The Times of London, which is a serious and very well respected publication. My opinion of Diana was formed mostly from what I saw on TV footage and a few articles I read in the Times. From these sources I formed the opinion that she was a very vain, smug, and manipulative person who relished the public adulation and enjoyed upstaging her husband at every opportunity. I never thought she was this amazing wonderful person that everybody raved about because I always felt this was a put on act designed to garner public approval at the expense of her husband.
I am proud of you for your concern
This happened in Australia as far as I know and would have been reported to lady c trusted her impeccable sources perhaps this was lost in translation
Same. Iâm still baffled at how so many people came to such an opposite conclusion based on exactly the same evidence as I was witnessing.
American here. I did not have the habit of reading the Times, but I came to exactly the same conclusions about Diana as you did, based on simply observing her behavior reported in video footage at the time. I also thought she was over-exposed in the media and wore out her welcome.
Very true, for some reason Diana has been painted as some sort of Saint, when in fact she was a scheming bitch to put it bluntly, she did it all the time
Gosh and you were right ! Amazing a magazine was writing truth ! Nice to know there was some honest journalism.
I donât think Lady C is wrong. After Prince Charles plays Princess D, the music guy and PC are having a conversation . They are obviously leaving as PC is starting to turn 2:53 away. The princess and the guy are talking - you canât tell what they are saying but PC is smiling until the Princess points to something (where the piano turns out to be) and his smile drops - he looks devastated . She then moves past PC without catching his eye. I think she told the guy that she could play the piano and that PCâs rapid demeanour change was the moment he realised he was being upstaged.
Not sure if upstaged is exactly the right word. He may have just foreseen that in this unscheduled action, she was going to show herself as embarrassed and embarrassing. But yes you are right in the sense that he would also have known that she would distract from whatever the point of the visit was supposed to be, in effect, making it all about herself.
I think if would have said Lady C's book tells us Diana deliberately upstaged Charles but the footage shows something different, what do viewers think? Then Lady C would not have minded, she got upset because you questioned her integrety and made it seem like she makes things up in her books. There must be cut footage where she "mentions" she can play the piano. The whole event was about Charles playing the cello everyone knew that including Diana. The video put a positive spin on it, but she totally upstaged him. The old man had been Charles Cello professor, so he did not know Diana could play the piano. It's obvious to me that she must have told him. Why would she do that?
I think that overall Lady C has done a fantastic job with this book. It's helped me to understand why Harry has been attracted to someone manipulative like Meghan. I think you have a thing about Lady C who is not everyone's cup of tea. The main gist is that Diana loved the limelight and was happy to upstage Charles in many ways.
I recommend The Housekeeper's Diary, which was reviewed by The Vintage Read. It will give you a full picture (not very favorable to Diana, mind you), and it's very entertaining too.
I have been enjoying Lady C's book, as I have every book you've read. The entertainment for me, has absolutely nothing to do with the truth and veracity of these accounts, but what you bring to the table. It's you that I come to listen to. It's your personality and your take on what you're reading, that is of most importance. Please don't let this revelation that Lady C's word isn't 100% reliable worry you.
Agreed. I love this channel and will continue to support Cheere
I'm so glad Cheere didn't allow Lady C to bully her into taking this video down. :)
ââ@@neilsun2521She wasnt bullying her she was advising her. And with friends like you Cheere doesnt need enemies. Cheere has been advised by lady C that her video is defamatory and that it should be removed or shes reserving her right to pursue legal redress. Cheere agreed to take the video down and then went back on her word. Cheere is now complaining that lady C is bullying her and demeaning her for pointing out her mistake which she is stubbornly refusing to recognise. Lady C was forthright and explicit in her criticism of Cheeres conduct. She was trying to inform her not score points or insult her. Cheere is directing snide underhanded comments at lady C laced with innuendo and based on false assumptions. Shes acting like an immature mean girl rallying her friends to support her and attack her perceived enemy on masse. She is being the bully but she cant see it. I think shes in for a rude awakening as lady C probably wont let this slide and neither would I.
Lady C is one of the most truthful voices out in the media, I read her work for factual insight. I am glad you enjoy her work for whatever reason.
@@susanmclellan6447 Very well said!
I watched this tour (my country) intensely as I was young & home being monitored for a serious heart condition at the time, & my mother (a nurse) was a KC fan as she had directly benefited from his Princes Trust Foundation. This tour was HUGE in Australia, & each channel carried different footage, each capturing different perspectives with different commentary etc. So, I suppose Lady C may have seen one version of many versions. Itâs a long time ago, but I donât remember watching this version. I do remember my mother being a little upset throughout the tour because at that time she felt that Diana was deliberately trying to overshadow Charles, but at the same time she conceded that she was new at this royal thing. And also, my mother could have been a little biased given that Charlesâ charity had helped her & my uncle greatly before they moved to Australia. To be clear, my mother didnât dislike Diana, but did think she hadnât yet settled into the role as at times it almost seemed like she was going out of her way to distract media attention at important moments throughout the tour. But I remember watching the different tv channels & seeing each channel adopt different commentary & different footage of the same event. Iâll give Lady C a pass on this one, only given my lived experience watching in real time. Now I think the media pull from only one or two cameras for Royal coverage, unless it is a big royal event. For instance, I think ITV had the exclusive footage of the Sussex Tour of Africa, but by agreement they have to share footage of major engagements *I could be wrong). But back then, here in Australia, it was every channel fighting for itself (so multiple domestic & international channels, etc). I do understand your confusion.
I agree. Seeing it as it happens is different seeing it in one small clip 49+ years later. Diana really did revel in upstaging her husband and making him feel stupid. He'd had that all his life, so I imagine he had hoped that his wife would at least be encouraging, but she, just like her "other" daughter in law, enjoyed putting her husband down.. đŠđș
I think that Diana was a fun loving young woman and maybe hasnât appreciated how reserved publicly the RF felt they should be. One of the reasons we fell in love with Diana was because she was so natural, joyful and like the rest of us. The sixties had unlocked a lot of class reserves and we felt Diana was one of us.
Your mother was observing correctly. But the Diana Industry always wanted to make a conventional little fairy story out of everything Diana did. In fact , at the time, it was always awkward and disappointing to see her squirming and unable to assume her role.
Cheere, you should check out The Vintage Read's review of the Housekeeper's Diary. She gives (in my opinion) a balanced view of KCIII and Diana's relationship. I think despite the editing of the video, Diana's pattern of behaviour at that time was to undermine Charles, and there are many photos of her rolling her eyes, making cheeky comments and pulling all eyes on her. I don't think Lady C is wrong in her interpretation of what happened. In the video, Diana didn't stop to re-engage with Charles, she sped right past him, because she knew what she just did.
Plus I might addâŠâŠsnippets of Charlesâs expressions may have been deleted or left out for his benefit to not put a bad light on his self. Iâm 65 and loved Dianna very much, but I do remember over those years many times ( his expressions of IMO, jealousy) of Dianna capturing the spotlight, taking it away from him. Plus MANY reporters have also reported how these actions from Dianna upset Charles.
Hello @Cheere Denise if you make your favorite tea, put a cough drop in it and slip it down. This will alleviate the cough. Hope u feel better soon. đ
Cheere, I did watch the video, and although I didn't see events as Lady C described, I didnt see what you did, either. Perhaps it's like The Blind Man And The Elephant, and we all have our own perception of an event!
However, my take is a bit closer to Lady C's (especially without the broadcaster.)
Diana did seem kind of pumped up, and seemed to have a fully formed plan, while Charles was apparently going to play a few notes. But running out of the room was strange, attention seeking, and histrionic, to me. As someone who was raised a Lady, was a Princess, and expected to be Queen, the conductor (who I thought was lovely) giving her a kiss on the cheek, or having performed a few bars on the piano, shouldn't have sent her running from the room- although she was very beautiful and graceful doing it. It was odd, and the feel was more like Lady C's description to me- maybe having knowledge of the situation colored her take.
Lady C is very protective of her reputation and wouldn't want to be called dishonest, and I think would want to state that in public.
I am very sorry that she had words with you though, as an admirer of you both!
I think some of this is how brits and royals would interpret something vs how others outside of that culture would view it.
Reading this now and realised one thing I miss is Cheereâd Diana impression. Youâre so good at it.
How do we know that clip is the ONLY clip from that day? Could there have been other clips from other angles that may have shown what Lady C references? Not arguing but rather seeking to understand.
Yes exactly,, you can see there are at least a few cuts in the video. there is also at least one comment on here from a lady in Australia who was there , saying Lady C is correct.. Not sure about the words Diana snuck up -- but did lady C mean literally or figuratively is the question. Either way Cheere has made this a bigger deal than it should be and is slandering a ladies reputation in doing so.
Hello Denise , thank you for the footage. Maybe I'm little disagree with you , I'm sorry. It exists royal manners that we don't see at first . Diana as wife must be the second. In the footage, I "see" a woman with an inappropriate dress and hat and clearly , she likes to have attention of journalists and public. She ignored Charles ( the future King ) and left the room . A good thing would be playing piano with another pupil for example .
I agree with you. I have watched Lady Cs podcasts. She uses facts and truth interspersed with some really exaggerated stories with hardly an ounce of truth. This keeps her subjects exciting but she starts veering off from journalistic standards.
In the footage you showed, it all seems very innocent. Diana seems almost embarrassed to show off her piano skills much less outshine the prince.
@@annmariekeim9553 I interpreted her behavior as coyness.
@@annmariekeim9553 I agree with you and also with (above comment) from Valerie. I like Lady C, but tend to get bored as she slowly strolls her way through each question. I wish she would answer directly then go on to something else. I've read all of her books and have listened to her on CZcams for years. She does tend to spruce up a good biography and story, but as a writer you have to add a few 'generous scenarios' to spice up the story or else you lose your reader before the first chapter is even finished. (I've been a published writer and editor for years, but I have to say I've noticed more errors in her books relating to grammar and sentence structure than I care to name. She needs to find a decent proofreader!) LOL
@@lisica8458Yes, but it has to be said that she made her career out of coyness. It made people see her as modest. Which I am sure she was not. She is clearly crippled by self-consciousness in some footage I have seen, but that is a different/ more complex thing.
There are so many great opinions and points of view. This has created one of the better comment sections I've been a part of for years. It's nice that we can civilly have different points of view. Great job, Cheere.
This video and it being here is a testament to Cheere Denise for letting us have a space to discuss what we remember, or perceive, or how we've interpreted what is going on.
It is a mistake to assume that Cheere Denise was being "malicious." I saw it more like shock at a discovery that lead her question the rest of the work. All that needed to be said in response was that the video was edited to present a nice image to the public, who wanted to see a harmonious Prince and Princess of Wales on a visit.
I'm wishing both ladies, a sense of calm and peace.
I am writing this immediately after watching the video and without reading commentary. The Prince of Wales was the highest ranking member of the Royal family present at this event-a Prince of the Blood. He had married a lady and had made her a princess by virtue of his standing. In ALL subsequent social situations the primacy of the Prince of Wales should be respected. For a princess by marriage be goaded to the piano by a music teacher of any status, to play longer, better or at all after the Prince of Wales was improper. It was a violation of etiquette towards the future king.
And then to have the Princess run past the Prince, who clearly out-ranked her, was another violation of Royal etiquette. The Prince of Wales was left to trail after the Princess. This was another error. There was NO excuse for this-none whatsoever. The whole episode should have made anyone familiar with Royal protocol cringe!
Unfortunately Cheere has made it clear that learning about actual royal protocol is beneath her and has mocked it. This whole thing is so disappointing. Not all Americans are so naive or condescending toward traditions they are uneducated about, as she clearly is. Iâve lost so much respect for her in the way sheâs handling this so publicly and childishy.
The scary thing is that Meghan is trying to replay Diana's selfish behaviors and pass it off with the excuse not of "I'm so young and innocent" but "I'm American and so innocent."
@@afquan9211 ugh. Good point, and even worse imo
@@vancouvervixen4253 As an American, I feel ashamed that others might assume that Meghan represents all Americans. My own manners are often gauche, but I'd at least be mindful to not insult the people of the country which accepts me as visitor.
@@afquan9211 I quite agree! Sheâs made me cringe for that reason many times!
Iâve read her 2020 book on H&M and Iâm familiar with or have seen pictures/video of almost every situation she describes in that book, so Iâm satisfied that she hasnât exaggerated any of it. Consequently, Iâm willing to give her a pass on one anecdote that does seem exaggerated in a book written before the internet when she didnât have access to the footage and relied on a source for the info. Since 99% of her information is generally accurate, Iâm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt on the remaining 1%.
I can definitely give Lady C a pass, I wish that she had extended some grace to Cheere , I saw what Cheere saw in the video.
I agree and this was televised
@@LottieOfWales telvised but this video is cliped a few times to give a different impression.
The 1% is the words Diana snuck up .... I have not seen the original tape so I don't know if the words are meant literally or figuratively.. We all know by down that Diana was always sneaking around creating moments to make Charles look bad even in front of the boys and although it wasn't obvious she was sneaking to do it , figuratively in her mind she was being sneaky.
I watched the vintage read & heard about your beef with Lady C. I am a subscriber of Lady Câs channel & enjoy all her videos. You seem like a very nice woman & have a nice channel. I just watched the video that set off Lady C. While youâre entitled to your opinion, you did come for her & stated she lied. Then questioned the rest of her book. This would probably upset most people. She was a bit harsh but Lady C doesnât mince words & itâs kinda why I like her show. Wishing you all the best & maybe be a little more careful calling an author a liar.
âShe was a bit harshâ? Thatâs one way to put it.
It is an understatement. She was pretty mean. She over reacted. Calling her a liar & questioning her book was gonna get a reaction out of her. You have every right to give your opinion & share your thoughts. I just thought you also went too far. First time watching your channel. I wish you all the best. Just giving you my 2 cents is all.
I believe that this was the tour where Charles gave the famous ' Two Wives' speech , so one could walk to his left & one to his right as the aussies who were on his side would not be disappointed. The press reported the piano story thusly : Charles eeked out a few sour notes on the cello , and then Princess Diana played a piece beautifully .
In truth neither were easy on the ear. ( Unlike Catherine Princess of Wales at Eurovision) . This was the trip where Charles first realized what a difficult time had befallen him. * Finally, One did not kiss a royal on the cheek in the 80's , even in Australia. It's still not done.
@clintgregory2549 Much as I admire Catherine for her many excellent qualities, playing the piano is not one of her accomplishments. It all sounded very much like a complete beginner who has studiously learnt how to play a very simple piece and all she does is hit (literally) the right notes but it all sounds very stilted. I think it best not to continue trying to play the piano.
lol. Even in Australia.
I agree. That man took great liberties insisting upon a kiss. The video clearly shows Diana was greatly taken aback. I feel that itâs obvious she fled the room in embarrassment over that kiss, not because she was playing coy.
@@amiek9226 yes, of course, she was clearly embarrassed by him.
@@amiek9226 Diana was much in the habit of taking people into her confidence if she could see some benefit to her but often they misunderstood this as genuine friendliness which it was not. It was a useful tool for her. She used this technique with some of the journalists which flattered them hugely and they genuinely believed that she was âtheir friendâ. It would not have been unusual for her to have used that gentleman to stage the whole thing just to embarrass Charles. It would not have been the first time nor would it have been the last.
Please take care of yourself
Cheere Denise, have really enjoyed your work, nor have I ever felt your integrity was in question.
That professor was creeping me out the whole time and the kiss that was awful âŠicky
Hahahaha! Me too! Damn, back up outta my face!!! lol đđ He was nose to nose⊠ewwwâŠ
I agree. That professor was creepy. The narrative seems to be a fluff piece which adulates Diana. I donât think itâs free from bias.
The Professor is a CREEP and a CLOSE TALKER, yuck! I thought you never touch a Royal much less force an uninvited kiss on their face.
I'm sorry but Charles did look annoyed and upset as Diana went off to play the piano.
I think it's wise to not take all that Lady C has to say as gospel. Just to be catty, I didn't really think that piano playing was very good.đ
I only had a year of piano lessons and I have to agreeđ
It was definitely âstumble & tumble and hard on the drumâŠâ
Catty?đđ No neverâ„ïžâ„ïžâ„ïž
It was atrocious.
It wasn't! Diana just kind of slopped thru about 8 ms of the piano concerto and then got spooked and quit.
The whole situation, as seen in the clip, was unpalatable....that man was creepy.
I think Diana knew she was not practiced enough to play well, but couldn't pass up an opportunity to upstage Charles and then run away like she was demure and shy. That was plain even in the clip. Denise is not the victim here. Lady C cuffed her like a mama bear.
I remember one of his birthdays. It was HIS birthday and she got attention on herself by supposedly surprising him by sneaking off getting on stage and dancing with John Travolta.
It was our British ballet dancer/choreographer Wayne Sleep, here in the UK, not John Travolta. She danced with JT at the Whitehouse during the Royal US visit.
I think cool heads need to prevail. A bit of an over reaction blanket embargo on your part on the entire book, a bit of an overkill; and indignation on the part of Lady C.
Could it be that Lady C had a first hand account of the entire behind the scenes story; the video shown to the public would've been edited to suit a narrative and would only show snippets of what went on?
Regardless, Diana could've politely refused the request to play the piano and left the stage to her husband, since it was his day and his time. Her compliance and put on theatricals stole the limelight (as she knew she was the media's darling and hers never stung) lead me to believe Lady C's account.
You are reveiwing a book not examining evidence in a court of law and under oath, you can say that you not convinced Lady C/s account is 100 accurate, but to shut down the whole thing? Juvenile, unprofessional. Does everything in every book written about everyone has to be 100% accurate or you will not review it? Itis a book, another side to a story. So both sides need to come down a bit to a middle ground.
Lady C is a vicious gossip and having experienced that first hand, I believe the book is far more untrue than I even expressed in this video. I am not sorry for posing the question that the book was full of exaggeration and now I know I was completely correct. Iâm so relieved to be done with that book.
@@cheeredenise Lady C's response has left you bitter, that's obvious. But don't you think that looking back at your video and realizing that your very strongly questioning of her honesty and integrity as a writer can be very offensive to someone? I felt for you after seeing how much her response made you feel, but this statement is not making you look good. There needs to be some accountability on your part for the things that you said, it's not all on Lady C for the negativity of this situation.
I completely agree. Cheere made a mistake and behaved like a spoiled brat. She should grow up and carefully read Lady C's comments instead of launching into a monumental dummy spit that showed how far fame has gone to her head.
@@margotriou2798 âmonumental dummy spitâ has me absolutely cackling đđ well put!
I don't know if it's a lie or not, but I found her responses to you gross and left a bitter taste in my mouth. You can defend your point without attacking the other person.
Had a think about this & your Review was sympathetic toward The Monarchy & brought to light to a younger generation who presumably have watched the Crown & believed all of the mistruths which the Sussex Squad has run with.
This Review has revealed that there was more going on behind the scenes via a book that the Younger Generation wouldnât have known about.
Observation from a variety of sources, it appears that PD deliberately created a narrative & Styled herself as the Queen of Hearts, which I recollect she stated on ?National Television? .
I donât see how the Author has done The Monarchy any favours re the bombardment on Cheere Denise, who asked a question that could have been answered without the overkill of accusations.
@@carolesommer2255 She did not just ask a question. I saw it and I was shocked that Cheere called Lady C a liar based on poorly filmed and cut several times. There are actually several cut versions of that recording. Cheere is doubling down on her ill-advised assertions. And I had to laugh at the characterization of Diana playing well. She was caught off guard and obviously was rusty from not practicing recently. Cheere stated at the beginning of reviewing that she didn't like Lady C, so this is just a mean girl attack and she is looking to twist the slander she committed. And she is continuing to slander her.
Denise has accused Lady C of lying. Lady C can be sued for that.
Denise has created a terrible drama that can end up in court.
Lady C is a famous author who has written ca 10 books, and now a youtuber is accusing her of lying!
Of course, Lady C is angry about that.
If Denise doesn't like the truth, she can stop reading the book. PERIOD!
She doesn't have to trash-talk Lady C and accuse her of illegal crimes.
That's a dangerous path to walk!
@@katarsett9384and if you look at CD comments section, she not only continues to double down that she is right and has done no wrong⊠AND many of her staunch supporters are repeatedly stating that they will return the book, not buy the book, etc⊠Iâm afraid that Cheere does not understand how huge of a problem this could be for her as she has essentially slandered WITH financial consequences! đł Iâm really just so shocked by her and trying to be reasonable about this gets you lambasted by people who are unwilling or unable to be objective
@@katarsett9384 Yes, I was shocked at her attack. It tells us far more about Cheere than Lady C. I would say her irrational reckless slander puts her firmly in line with being very Diana-ish. Neither of them had qualms about publically trying to ruin someone's reputation. There was no grace given. None at all. No further research, and no private request for clarification with Lady C. She was clearly infringing on the Copyright laws, but Lady C was letting her off the hook on that, as long as she took down the calling liar comment. Cheere responded to one of my comments by doubling down and saying Lady C IS a liar. Cheere is on thin ice and I am so disappointed in her. She says she prays, but I wonder if she could actually see Jesus reading through all this if she would be so haughty and judgemental. Funny how some are so righteous and at the same time go against what they claim to believe. Absolutely shocking, but mean girls are shocking.
Charles was not amused at all.he did say something to her before she was asked to play.if you look back at Charles body language you can see clearly hiwasnt happy.i wouldn't under estimate Lady C .she knows the royal gossip
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Charles and Diana are standing together when she walks to the piano. She does not sneak behind him. On this element, Lady C's description is incorrect.
@@N_for_Nellie maybe sneaking behind him doesn't mean literally but has the same meaning.. You can see video is clipped in a few places.. Diana was talking to the man,, was she saying things like I can play piano , do you want me to play for you too. maybe she was saying I can play piano and the man said you can come play too. who knows but lady c has witnesses ,,people were there and said the video is not what happened giving a different perspective.
Maybe she does have connections, but no one is above reproach. She also says she has certain information that she simply cannot tell us - a lot! Iâm with you.
What I see:
-Old man, i assume, asks KC3 to play the cello; KC3 can't or doesn't hear him so the creepy old guy leans way too far in and repeats himself.
-Diana then reluctantly goes to the piano and plays a few bars before making a mistake when she sees her escape. She tries to escape when the creepy old man grabs and kisses her.
-As Diana is rushing away and the camera follows her and we see KC3 he looks more annoyed at the creepy old man for embarrassing his wide and himself.
Who knows, she might have burst into tears as she headed out or mouthed something to KC3, so he gave the creepy old guy a death stare.
Now, as for Lady C, her SOURCES are good. I would say you found a different clip to the one she is talking about, but I trust you to find the correct clip.
Maybe Lady C talked to Diana about this incident, and she said her plan was to embarrass KC3 but clearly failed because it does look like she rushed in after hearing KC3 was playing an instrument.
The video looks highly edited- youâre right- we never have the whole view of the room or event- What happened before Charles sat down? Was Di conversing with the Professor, giggling, whispering?
I just think that we missed a lot.
I hadnât thought of that but KC would have been furious about the kiss and it was highly inappropriate!
@@deeshires8721 Deeđđ I know, right?!?!? Talk about a Face-Talker. It was cringy to even watch, I canât imagine being there.
What if that's not the original video, what if it was edited
When you google stories written at the time of the event they talk about Charles playing a couple of notes on the cello and Diana then playing a difficult piece on the piano. They also mention Charles ignoring her and looking like a sore loser. I imagine he wouldnât have been too thrilled with her outshining him but he also may have just been annoyed that Diana agreed to play when it wasnât planned. Hard to say. I am not concerned about Lady Cs account because I think it is close enough to what actually happened
I don't know , you know. Look at his face, he's not a happy prince
Shouldn't a husband be proud that his wife is talented?
He was thinking of his hottie probably, Camilla.
He was pissed. But lady C also exaggerated it.
In the video, there is a blip between when Charles is sitting down with the cello and when Diana goes to the piano. He is clearly standing to her right at that point, not sitting down with a cello. He does look a bit unhappy and Diana is doing her shy virgin act. There is some missing tape between the cello and the piano. I think it was a mistake to suggest Lady C lied. She may have gotten it wrong, but since the tape I saw clearly had been edited, it could be Lady C knew what went on in that deleted sequence. To then call into question her honesty about everything in the book was a bit rash. On the other hand, I feel like Lady C should have gotten in touch with you personally, rather than venting her outrage in the comments. I've lost a little respect for the both of you.
She didnât look reluctant, she looked delighted, couldnât stop smiling, looked thrilled. The rushing out of the room was the behaviour of a 16 year old. Lady C probably had heard the background story, in fact, knowing how Diana constantly tipped the paparazzi off, she may have even arranged to have this chance. Nothing would surprise me now about how calculating she could be.
spiteful
I still don't think that Lady C's account of the event is completely accurate.
@@KP-mb9jx Lady C was recounting what she had been told by someone who was there. The video was so chopped up that one cannot get the full scene. I would not die on that hill, but Cheere is.
â@@textrue9088 Cheers Denise is hardly dying on any hill. On the contrary, she is backing away from a thin-skinned author who isn't capable of any criticism, no matter how justified. Lady C has overreacted in a needlessly aggressive way and done so publicly, that is to say in the comment section. It would have been much more appropriate to have kept this matter private and contacted Cheere Denise by email. I rather suspect that a real lady would have done just that.
@@janicebillington2633 A real lady would have contacted the writer PRIVATELY before asserting with no equivocation that the writer whose work she was using for financial gain despite it being copyrighted, was a liar. Not that this item MAY not have been true. No, Denise went public to the WORLD, and it can never be taken back. Like we tell the kids, nothing can be removed from the internet. I bet Denise has said that over and over to her kids, students, and maybe even on the internet, but here she is. You can make excuses for her imprudence, but she is not a child and I doubt she is new to this behavior. Lady C had to go public, only because Denise had.
More than anything, that old professor creeped me out. "Whoa, grandpa! There's such a thing as boundaries and personal space!" YIKES! đŠđŠđŠ
perhaps there is an easy explanation , I know a person who has a very bad eyesight and does exactly what the old man did , to read people's facial expressions , that's allđ
Whilst this story does seem quite a negative take on Dianaâs behaviour, I can only say that I did catch a glimpse of Charles looking a bit down in the mouth whilst Diana coyly but I have to say rather gleefully accepted the opportunity to play the piano! Yes she did look a little shocked when that old bloke grabbed a kiss⊠but it was such a short grab of footage largely focussing on Diana more than Charles that I donât think it necessarily revealed the whole story of what went downâŠSo honestly I think if Lady C got this story from someone who was actually there & who actually saw the whole episode plus the coupleâs reactions rather than just a snippet of it shown in this black & white video perhaps we can be more generous to giving Lady C the benefit of the doubt⊠Also I do think Cheere that you would benefit from the book by the Highgrove housekeeper recapped by Shauna at Vintage read⊠there are many stories in it that very much agree with Lady Câs perspective⊠not this particular story but definitely many of the others are very much supported in both books. Unfortunately Housekeepers Diary by Wendy Berry is out of print⊠â€
Can still be accessed as free e-pub library version. Definitely backs up much of what Lady C has said and is a readobably objective view,vtold first hand. Diana was not nice, and how she used those boys as pawns was disgraceful
@@wf4758 how did she use them?
When Diana started towards the piano & walked by Charles as he stood back from the cello, the moment before the camera followed Diana I caught a very subtle expression?âŠor mask slip?on Charlesâ face. Iâm not talking about when they were both standing. Itâs at the last second of Charles before the camera is all Diana. I wouldâve never caught it had I not been focused on his face which was really redđ€·ââïžI didnât see angerâŠmore like embarrassment or defeat & would rather be anywhere but there. Heâs like a string quartet to Dianaâs Big Brass Bandđșbig blue stripes & all.
She couldâve politely gestured towards Charles & whispered to that man âletâs listen first then Iâll play somethingâ but she relished plopping down on that bench with Rachmaninov. Sheâs catnip for little old men & knows it.
Whoâs to say what was said to whom after the cameras were off.
Diana, OF COURSE, was undermining Charles by taking the limelight yet again.
I also remember hearing a news report in 'real time' that she had upstaged and embarrassed the Prince of Wales at this event.
That might have been the case, but also could have been media spin calculated to stir up emotion and controversy, which would lead to more stories, leading to more controversy...and on and on. It's what most media outlets did, and still do.
I understand your concern and credit to your critical questioning approach and thatâs why I like your channel although I do not always agree with your interpretation on certain passages or other books in the past, you are right to question this I believe. However, I think there are possible explanations why Lady C describes the event as sh3 did as I think it must have been recounted to her from Charlesâs perspective as I can tell from the footage, Charles was far from pleased that Diana went up to the Piano, perhaps Charles did feel upstaged. TBH, If it was me in Dianaâs shoes, I would have said I wouldnât want to interrupt Charles on his Cello and probably make sure that he had finished his bit before walking up to the piano. Itâs an awkward situation as she couldnât refuse the hostâs insistence as it would have been rude but at the same time Charles was still playing the Cello and looked like he might continue for a bit when she walked up to the piano. Just my take on the matter. In the other hand, I can accept Lady C being wrong and he misled for once. She has been wrong before and if people point out her mistakes politely, she does correct herself and admit her mistakes. X
@@Magsfab89 It was probably rude of the host to ask Diana to play the piano while Charles was playing the cello.
I suppose we are looking at a piece of film - is there a bit missing? Was Charles still sitting with the Celo when Diana was asked to go to the piano? She didn't go back to him when she finished, she rushed past him. But maybe Lady C wasn't using the film as her reference, I'm guessing she'd eyes on the ground.
I don't agree with all Lady's C's political views but she is usually fair- even to Harry and Megan.
I didnt see the 'private video' but I'm playing devils advocate- perhaps she is irrate not because of the questioning of certain instances or disagreeing with her conclusions, but the calling into question of her integrity and truthfulness in general.
The reports of course could not tell the public that Charles played the Cello beautifully .
Just remember the dance Diana did on stage as a "surprise" for Charles. It just isn't done if you're a royal, and she had grown up near enough royals and other aristocrats to know better.
I am not a huge Princess Diana fan, but let's be fair, the truth of that dance wasn't the version in "The Crown", what happened was Prince Charles and Princess Diana had done things for this particular charity before, so when Diana did the dance with a different partner, yes Prince Charles was upset, but he was upset because he wasn't included.
Diana's family was even more of an English aristocrat than the royals, considering the house of Windsor is German and changed their name during the war with Germany. Diana knew better but was too immature to behave like a grown up
@@nadine8764Elizabeth Bowes Lyon was half Scottish and half English aristocracy. Pretty sure the House of Windsor can go back to the early Scottish Kings. Funny how we tend to think of migrants children as British when born here, unless itâs the Royal FamilyâŠ
âRecollections may varyâ. Feel better soon! đđ»
Now That is a good one.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion or does the UK not have freedom of speech?
Indeed, but then Lady C is actually recollecting, whilst Denise has merely watch a single, somewhat edited, CZcams clip of the event!
â@Ali-ps8rm true. The main problem was Lady Cs unwarranted response.
They would've never showed anything other than what they want you to see.
What was the initial title of this video? Did you have a thumbprint photo?
The initial title was "This was a huge lie!" or words to that effect
@@STRANGERINMOSCOW1 Thank you! That adds important context.
@@STRANGERINMOSCOW1 I wondered this too as I was a bit late to this kerfuffle and deduced something had been changed⊠small wonder Lady C blew her top with a title like that!
I dont know, i listened and watched a couple times and i dont know that it's too far from what Lady C describes.
What you dont see is any clips of Charles at that momentâŠâŠso from this snippet we donât know what facial expressions he may or may not have had. Lady C may very well have been in this room at that time or may have seen more of the whole picture than what you have seen.
It is clear he had finished playing the cello and stood up, and that Diana enjoyed the attention of the class, if not that of the teacher.
I understand your concerns. I will say that there was no CZcams in those days and Lady C could not have easily seen the footage. She likely relied on hearsay for this passage. Am I being too loyal??
But if Lady C spreads this about, she has to get her facts right.This surprised me as it did you Cheer
â@@jessiemacgregor1357 for heaven's sake. Lady C gets two witness accounts. This was likely the reporting if CHARLES version, and he does look sour, and someone else at the event.
@YokohamaSapphire, I don't think you are being too loyal. You're right about how limited our access to information was, pre-internet and pre-CZcams age. Lady C. would have had to rely on eyewitness accounts and then those would have gone through this filter of interpretation. Charles's expression could have been a certain way and one person could see it as anger or embarrassment. The only one who would have know his feeling was Charles himself and why.
@@jessiemacgregor1357 this video is clipped to look a certain way.. Lady C had sources ,, plus people here from Australia has confirmed Lady C had it right.
ON the film it is chopped up and there is no flow. We still do not have evidence of either story. Maybe the guy invited her while he tuned the cello. Maybe Charles played when she was through playing. We know you don't like Lady C so your excitement here is disappointing. And, maybe she described an account told to her by an observer and the clip was chopped up leaving Charles out of it. If this clip was continuous, I would agree with you.
Exactly.
Diana was coaxed to play the piano and looked bashful. She played beautifully and Charles, who wasnât even tuning his cello was proudly, and with surprise,looking at his wive.
Lady C has never lied,& always strives for honest proof.
The book written in the late â90âs is an interpretation of events based on direct interviews with Diana and conversations with âroyal sourcesâ - no more, no less. The video clip from the late â80âs is an edited piece and also an interpretation of events by the news agency. You can choose to believe what you want, but neither is objective truth. Books such as this one by any such author must be read in the context in which they were written. Youâre not reviewing a history text book, though any may also contain biased interpretations. Iâve enjoyed your entertaining reads of non-fiction biographies and autobiographies but if youâre truth-seeking, youâve picked the wrong genre and your apparent outrage at realizing this is unfortunate, and inappropriately targeted at this one author.
Well said. đ
Brilliant observation
Although I can agree with most of what you say, Lady c when about this in the wrong way. What she said was unbecoming and frankly and IMO uncalled for.
My comment was posted in response to the original video with the original caption posted to this channel, prior to any response from the bookâs author, and relevant only to the original video with original caption.
Nope. Her instincts about lady c are spot on.
I'm about the same age as Diana and remember her well. What stood out to me overwhelmingly about Diana was how much she obviously enjoyed media attention. She frequently acted coyly with her audiences and seemed to enjoy attracting attention to herself, as well as having an observable penchant for spending time with celebrities such as Elton John, for example. This was especially noticeable when one compared her behavior to other royals, e.g., Princess Anne, Prince Charles, the Queen herself, Prince Philip, and now Queen Camilla . . . She simply seemed like an attention-hog, whatever underlying emotions might have motivated her. The only other royal who seemed somewhat similar was perhaps Princess Margaret.
The video of Diana wearing the navy and white striped outfit and playing the piano while visiting the Victorian College of Arts in Melbourne, Australia, was â unearthed 34 yearsâ after the event. The video was published January 11, 2021. Article written by Becky Pemberton.
I do appreciate your investigative review and it has certainly made me question the validity of the book. Donât be discouraged! please continue your quest for the truth. â€
Huh, good point. What was Diana supposed to do there? What would Queen Camilla do, if she could play the piano? What would Catherine do? Would it upstage Charles or William if either of their wives acquiesced to this rather pushy professor?
Maybe Lady C heard about a face Charles made that the camera didn't catch. Maybe whoever told Lady C this exaggerated the story to get her attention. Who knows?
Hello, I am 2 years younger than Diana. We all knew what happened on that day. First of all, that video is cut, there was an other one which had the longer version of the events. Diana wanted to play the piano and mentioned that to that older man before Charles started to play the Cello. (without telling something to Charles). When Charles tried to play, Diana did not wait for him to complete and went to play the piano. That two things happened simultaneously. This video was for the propaganda to show the couple has no problem. (to stop the rumors) I remember, when we saw the video, my mother said: 'Did you see? She did it again to make Charles embarrassed.'
I can understand that you are so disappointed about Diana and it is very hard to accept what she did, so you are trying to find some errors in the book to undermine LCC. In the end of the day, those things were happening before our very eyes in UK. LCC is trying very polite in her book. We saw more than that.
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Charles and Diana are standing together when she walks to the piano. She does not sneak behind him. On this element, Lady C's description is incorrect.
@osos3574 To most people it may have sounded nice but to anyone who knows anything about classical music and particularly the Rachmaninov 2nd piano concerto, it was atrocious. And it is surprising that a) she chose that piece of music to play b) she didnât start from the beginning and c) it is a piece which is approx 30 minutes long and is played together with an orchestra. Anyone who is asked to play something on the piano in similar circumstances would choose a short piece say 2 - 3 minutes long which is a piano solo piece and would start at the beginning. Clearly she was just trying to show off and embarrass Charles.
This definitely canât be true. Charles wouldnât be in the background of the video when she first walks over if the two things happened simultaneously. There was not that much editing and it was a still shot showing her walk away with the professor. Youâre saying she was off at the piano when Charles was playing, got up and came back, and then went back to the piano for another solo? Doesnât make sense
@@Ariadne-cg4cq Exactly!
@@Ariadne-cg4cq Iâm a classical musician (violinist), and wow that was terrible đź she should have played âtwinkle twinkle little starâ or a simple scale lol. I realize her actual talent is sort of irrelevant to the original discussion but yikes that was rough to listen to!
You should read "The Housekeepers Diary", the account by the long time head housekeeper at Highgrove. Her reflections on Diana's behavior match well with Lady C's.
Thatâs a really interesting book
I think, (Iâm no expert) that when an event is planned including the Royals- that there tends to be a certain amount of planning and, I would say bulletin points on the agenda that is to be highlighted⊠Charles was to be the complete focus- they are not to stray from what is expected, each engagement differs. I do see the surprise on Charlesâ face when she is asked to play the piano; I still hold faith in Lady C; she knows the game better than the average person⊠and she definitely hears the intimate parts of a scandal more than us.
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You are right Cheere to question Lady C's telling of the events, but also remember that the video footage is an edited news broadcast that wasn't always focusing on all the players, and could've compressed time. So, in a sense both can be right and both could be wrong. Example, Charles may not have been showing rage but may have told Lady C's source what he felt and his versions of events. The key thing is no one remembers the same event exactly the same way....but you are absolutely correct in questioning the source.
This is the best explanation of what could happened. Thank you very much, ThumperE23! :-D Lady C. does try to be a good writer and she should be proud of her work. Cheere Denise is a good reader and should be proud of her work. I think both ladies had been presented with differing perspectives of that event with cello & piano. Both are now feeling as if their work and integrity have been attacked and I'm sorry this is happening.
â Agreed!
She literally said that. As soon as the footage ended she spoke for nearly a minute about how the reporter also had his edited narrative perspective. JFC I know reading comprehension is low among âLadyâ Câs followers but I guess youâve gotten so used to hearing AHAAH HAHH HAH JA JA JA for hours as âsheâ drones that you canât even concentrate on a 10-minute clip.
It could be edited sure but it clearly shows Charles standing up as she walked to go play. So are you saying Charles played the cello and she was playing piano simultaneously and then she got up, walked back and when Charles was done she went BACK over to the piano with the professor? People commenting this act like media edited video footage back then like they do today, and thatâs not true.
@@oliviah8865 media footage has always been edited. You donât know the history of film, media, or photography if youâd say that.
Photos have also been edited since the very discovery of photography.
It was called âairbrushingâ before Photoshop because photos would literally be painted over to âeditâ them.
This was rampant along with yellow journalism in the 1800-1900s.
The idea that anything like narrative perspective or propaganda editing agendas is some millennial phenomenon is absurd.
Diana didn't do Rachmaninow any favours with her performance. She rushed, hit wrong keys .... enjoying someone playing the piano, this defintely wasn't it. Shame on Diana for not having enough grace to politely turn down this "invitation to play" and for up-staging Prince Charles.
Wow! just anything to diss Diana..I thought she did a good job..
@@judyholiday1794 anybody who knows anything about playing the piano and who knows Rachmaninovâs 2nd concerto will know that the small bit she played was pretty bad!
â@judyholiday1794 Speaking as a pianist, she really didn't do a very good job. I don't think she tried to upstage Charles, though. She did inadvertently, but I don't think it was calculated or mean spirited.
I am a pianist, and if I, being in my late 20s, as I believe Diana was at the time, had been asked to play something with cameras all around me, I would have not felt that I could say no. In this case, Diana may have felt the same way. Today, much older, I would refuse due to limited practice time.
That old professor did not do
Charles or Diana any favors!
What a pushy old man!
Donât let her steal your sunshine. Please keep doing reviews. Maybe you can read Andrew Mortons book on Diana. Or the Housekeepers Diary (its out of print but you can find a copy)
Diana sent tapes to Andrew Morton and in return, he wrote the book to flatter her and destroy Charles. It is definitely unworthy of anyone buying it. He is also making noise about selling those tapes that she got one of her lovers to sneak over to the author.
@@textrue9088 Yes. And he never even MET Diana, just wrote from the tapes she made. No research at all.
To me, you are falling for narrative Diana hoped you would. I think you do have a bias against Lady C as much as I am for her. So we both come with our bias.
I agree she was not happy about reading Lady C. So she already had a biad. And by the comments here, shows there have been bitter people telling Cheere snarky things that was just their own opinion...the Die For Saint Diana's perhaps.
Watch the video carefully. Charles is standing beside Diana when she is asked to play piano. Charles is not holding a cello. She is hesitant then walks over and plays briefly then rises. A man forcefully kisses her then Diana walks quickly to the door passing Charles as she leaves. Charles is showing no emotion. Nothing happened here. Move on
@@hoolydooly5799 yes - I think the MM camp is telling Cheere all this. Trying to discredit Lady C who has a new book out. Dug up a video which clearly shows Diana set this up. But we KNOW Diana was the Queen of setups. Trust me, I thought Diana was a saint too back then.
@@leslieplayfair9836 sure! Sure! And Diana was soooo shy too. Got it. You have convinced me.
@@leslieplayfair9836 The video is cliped a few time.. you do not clearly see that possibly Diana was telling the man I play piano , I can play if you want... People who were there said the story Lady C wrote about is right.
I stumbled across an interview with Lady C this evening đŠđș on a channel called Scandalous Media, promoting her new book .
During the interview she referenced one of her Diana books, the first I think.
She told the story that her American publishers told her she HAD to put Diana in a more positive light or sheâd have people throwing rocks/bricks at her hotel.
So the several times youâve made the comment that she was very generous in her assessment of Diana as a mother and certainly I & I imagine most others have agreed with you THAT story might explain why.
As sheâs said elsewhere âDiana was a loving mother. She wasnât a good mother.â probably says it all.
Parents who uses their children to listen to them vent their spleens about all their woes, arenât thinking of whatâs best for their kids.
And Di used PW as a confidant for things kids shouldnât have to be buried with.
If Di was having issues, she needed to speak to a therapist about it, and not offload it on PW.
I recall reading about this event back when it happened. The way I recall the story from the time is that the point of the event was Charles reuniting with his cello teacher and the work the maestro was still doing with young people. The way I remember the story is that Diana indeed tried to upstage CharlesâŠin her shy way, she mentioned she could play piano, and because of that she got asked up to play. The thing that rang as exaggerated by Lady C was how she reported Charlesâs reaction. Again, I recall it being reported that Charles just sadly watched her upstage him with grace while probably inwardly seething. At the time this happened, the press adored her and thought she could do no wrong, but even the reporter I read indicated that she did it deliberately to upstage Charles and then acted all shy and coy about it; and that she darted out the door at the end because she knew she had humiliated him. So yes, Lady C may have exaggerated events a little, but the press traveling with them at the time questioned Dianaâs motives at this event. Lady C was not thereâŠshe probably heard the story from a reporter who recounted it by adding his/her impression of Charleâs feelings and so Lady C embellished the story. But I have always heard the story as Diana deliberately stealing the spotlight from Charles. She was not invited there to play the pianoâŠthe event was about Charles reuniting with his teacher and the students the teacher had on stage at the time. Instead, Diana made it about herself. I think we can trust Lady C on this oneâŠ
I think CD is overreacting on purpose!!!!
I donât trust her on anything.
@@Jossianne19130 Iâm starting to wonder myself, especially since this video as well as the next remains up! This sure is garnering her a lot of attention.
YES - thank you for this , this is how I see it and also one comment from Australia said she was there and Lady C is correct --- I am also wondering if the words Diana snuck up is not literal but figurative... Why is Cheere so stuck on those words when she reads a lot and should pick up on stuff like that. I am wondering if her bias against Lady C is clouded her judgement .. writers, story tellers use figurative language to describe events a lot.
Even when Lady C is doing her videos, I just listen to everything she says as gossip and hearsay. I doubt that her "sources" are as close as she claims. Just take everything with a pinch of salt...
Why would you think that .. Lady C knows many would love to sue her and many have sued her.. She has won all of her cases accusing her of lying. There is no doubt she would be on her toes more intently now with the likes of Meghan in the family and Meghan sues anyone and everyone she can or else get them fired. The fact lady C still has a channel shows she is not lying.
Charles did look unhappy when Diana went and played the piano. Everyone in Australia loved Diana so the narrator would have been commenting on the obvious, oblivious to the undercurrent. Lady C has back channel information from the palace. Just like when Meghan came to Australia. Itâs only coming out now about the turmoil of the tour.
That's why they called her shy Di. She wasn't shy she knew everything she was doing
I believe the original footage I saw was cut together to make it look like Diana snuck up to the piano while Charles was tuning up. Maybe that's the footage Lady C saw?
As I have said in a prior post, lady c sells books. I believe we need to take what she says with a grain of salt sometimes. A deep dive into her life might explain her slant on things.
Remember, too, Cheere, you are looking at this as an American, at an event that is 40 yrs old, where there were 'rules' of etiquette that you don't know.
She was there to support Charles.
She was there to support a royal message with Charles.
Her playing was meant to dazzle, therefore, meant to upstage.
Just not done.
Whether Lady C found out from courtiers later that he was mad - doesn't really matter - it was a No, No! It was humiliating. It was not done.
Catherine would never have done that.
She was invited to play. Lady C said she sneaked behind Charles to upstage him. Then too, to refuse an invitation would have been a poor sport when perhaps the man asking wasnât thinking of anything other than including her in his request for amateur musicianship to encourage his students. This is a clear misrepresentation of events by Lady C. It doesnât mean everything she said is a lie, but this is.
@@cheeredeniseNo, I believe Lady C.
â@@suzeeq3704The way it seems to me, is that she was there to support Charles and must have went behind his back before the event and orchestrated that moment. Why else would she be asked to play the piano? Why would anyone know she could play? Why not ask her to play the cello like Charles? It was a set up and Charles was caught off guard. He looked shocked and embarrassed. Diana's grandmother lady fermoy knew the score and when she knew Charles was going to marry Diana rather than one of her sisters she tried (unsuccessfully) to warn the queen mother against the match. She said Diana, her granddaughter, was a "schemer"
â@@cheeredenisehe would not have invited her to play *unless* it was made known to him that she could play.
Yes, she should have declined.
Most definitely, she should have declined.
Absolutely declined.
Lady C is talking about facts.
***That man was Charles cello teacher***
That man had no history with Diana. Would have had no knowledge of Di "ability" to play had she not said something.
It is still what Lady C said.
The narrator is going over already edited material.
Truthfulness?
You must know by now on whose side media went for - Diana's.
@@susanmclellan6447 very interesiing. YOu obviously know the queen Mother and Lady fermoy