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- Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban has met Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, in a visit that has been heavily criticised by EU leaders and Ukraine's government.
Friday's meeting was part of what Mr Orban called a "peace mission", coming three days after a visit to Kyiv where he met Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky.
Hungary has recently taken over the presidency of the Council of the European Union, but EU leaders have stressed that Mr Orban is not acting on behalf of the bloc.
Mr Orban is the EU's only head of government to have kept close ties to the Kremlin following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022.
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Hungarian prime minister does not need the permission from EU to visit countries or meet leaders.
The invasion of Ukraine reminds us that colonialism does not come in one flavour. In Britain we think of colonialism as the conquest of distant lands and empires as fragmented assortments of foreign territories. Russian colonialism and the Russian empire are different. Rather than sailing to far-off shores, Russia expanded - east, south, and west - and absorbed its neighbours.
The Russian model of colonialism by absorption confuses the divide between colonised and colonialists that was so stark in the British and French empires. In some ways Russia’s expansion was less destructive. The transatlantic slave trade and the kind of mass extirpation of indigenous people seen in the Americas have no direct parallels in Russian history. But the recent invasion of Ukraine points to another way of reading Russia’s colonial history. For one of the consequences of absorption is a lack of recognition that any conquest has taken place and, hence, an almost impermeable sense of entitlement. The result is a firm conviction that contiguous lands are not real countries, but mere annexes of Russia. For pro-Putin Russians, it is almost impossible to imagine the military take-over of Ukraine as an invasion; it’s more akin to taking back mislaid property.
For Russian ultra-nationalists, Ukraine is still framed by its old imperial label of ‘Little Russia’ (and the Ukrainian language is just ‘Little Russian’). We might also be reminded of the curious imperial decree from 1863 which banned Ukrainian-language publications on the grounds that ‘no separate Little Russian language has ever existed, exists, or can exist’. Banning something that you claim does not exist might seem unnecessary. It speaks of a combination of defensiveness and dismissiveness.
The diversity of colonial models and, I would argue of forms of racism (Multiracism, Polity Press, 2022), is hard to see and difficult to understand when nearly all our representations of colonialism (and racism) refer to American and Western European models. Universities have a key role in nurturing expertise in the history, politics, and languages of Asia and Africa. Not long ago the idea of globalisation was in the ascendant and ‘area’ or ‘regional’ studies went out of fashion. Many were looking forward to a cosmopolitan future when national histories had lost their significance. This agenda now looks like wishful thinking. Today, almost everywhere, nationalism is on the rise. Studying, comparing, and understanding the world’s many stories of colonial power and discrimination has never been more necessary.
And EU don't have to like it neither.
@@TallSilentGuy Although initially willing to negotiate the withdrawal of the Soviet Army from Hungary, the USSR repressed the Hungarian Revolution on 4 November 1956, and fought the Hungarian revolutionaries until Soviet victory on 10 November; repression of the Hungarian Uprising killed 2,500 Hungarians and 700 Soviet Army soldiers, ...
@@richardkent2014 All countries want safe borders.USA have Monroe doctrine-same what Russia do now en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine
Moartea uniunea europeană nato
That's a huge middle finger to EU 🖕🤣
Meeting with genocidal dictators? HAH take that Liberals
Nah we know he's a boot-licker, just like Lukashenko, or as the Belarusian people call him: "The hairy/moustached cockroach"
true that!
Hungary is free to leave the EU whenever they want
@@definitlynotbenlente7671 Yes, please. We don't want dictators in the EU.
Literally everyone in this world got poorer because of this war. Time to stop this insanity.
well....that's not really how economics works....but war takes its toll on many levels
@@christineodonnell2711 There are 5 million homeless in America who drink rain water, and Biden sends 60 billion dollars to the Ukraine. Not one dollar to the homeless.
@@NorceCodine Ivan, what other BS from Russian Zombie TV would you like to share with us today? "drink rain water" LOL
@@andrewadams6905 +1 hryvnia
Do you have any arguments except bad words and hateful speech?
It’s called diplomacy
what do you know about anything
Its called boot licker
It’s called collusion!
Sure buddy. 🙄. It’s called boot licN.
back to school.. hush hush hurry back
He went to Kiev and then Moscow trying to mediate peace, what is wrong with that?
That's what I'm thinking, if he went to Russia first id probably think otherwise though. Let the man cook if he thinks he can end the conflict/stop the bloodshed with dialogue let him try, idk why ppl look at that negatively regardless what side he lean's towards.
because he's a nobody and has 0 power to deliver peace. All he does is lend credence to the false narrative that somehow if people just sit down and talk with Putin that everything will turn out ok and peace will be delivered in short order. It's absolutely false.
Because Putin doesn't want peace. If he wants peace, why did he bomb children's hospital? Cut this BS already ok?
They did diplomacy with Adolf when he wanted the Sudetaland. "Sure, be it!" they said, "It'll make him chill out!" they said. And then Adolf wanted Austria! "Sure, be it!" they said, "It'll make him chill out!" There Adolf got parts of Czechia, and the whole Austria. Did it make him chill?! No, He wanted Poland as well, so they took it with Josif, and then he wanted Josif's lands as well, and whole Europe, and the whole world.
What did Vladimir want first? He wanted Abkhazia, and Sout Ossetia back in 2008, sure, he got it in under a week. Was it enough for Vladimir? No, in 2014 he wanted Crimea as well. "Sure, be it!" we said, "Peace is more important!" Was it enough for him? No, he wanted Donetsk and Luhansk as well, and now the whole Ukraine?!
He'll just claim he was provoked all the freaking time, and took more and more what he wants. There is no point to do diplomacy with psychopathic dictators who rule for decades.
He is "wrong" because he is attempting to make pece in which the US is not interested nor EU dos because EU is a US' poppet
*Peace is good, war is bad, not hard to understand that equation*
Yes, there is also a theorem - it’s good to be rich, beautiful and healthy.
So you admit that Putin is bad and should leave Ukraine. Very good.
These are the 1984 days.War is Peace, and Peace is War.
It's funny ...
When KGB going joke ...
Peace and war equation ...
Very funny ...
They want bow down to Bully criminal. 😮😊
Victor Organ is the only politician who says "peace" instead of "war", " solution" instead of "escalation".Bravo! Just one reasonable and brave leader of the country in the west!
organ XD
There is a one more the prime minister of Slovakia. It looks like Media still dose not allow you to know all truth.
Diplomacy now treated as extremism
Diplomacy led by a Kremlin stooge and the most corrupt leader in the EU is not diplomacy. You obviously know nothing about history or current events.
Yes, diplomacy with extremists is extremism
@@JoshpoxWest also arent saints to put it politely.
@@Joshpox lol extremist diplomacy haha XD This new term smells like a whole sweating basketball team :D its game over, now everyone already could see their real faces! all who oppose peace !
@ZsH85
Yes, Russia refuse to withdraw their troops, because they don't want peace
0:30 Prime minister Orban isn't representing the block. He is engaging in dialogue to foster peace. EU should be praising him, but alas, that is the last thing they would do.
No, he’s trying to help Putin get what he wants and Putin doesn’t want peace, he wants Ukraine
EU is an American poppet
This war needs to end too many people are dying. It needs to stop.
The moment the Russians return to Russia, this war will end.
The invasion of Ukraine reminds us that colonialism does not come in one flavour. In Britain we think of colonialism as the conquest of distant lands and empires as fragmented assortments of foreign territories. Russian colonialism and the Russian empire are different. Rather than sailing to far-off shores, Russia expanded - east, south, and west - and absorbed its neighbours.
The Russian model of colonialism by absorption confuses the divide between colonised and colonialists that was so stark in the British and French empires. In some ways Russia’s expansion was less destructive. The transatlantic slave trade and the kind of mass extirpation of indigenous people seen in the Americas have no direct parallels in Russian history. But the recent invasion of Ukraine points to another way of reading Russia’s colonial history. For one of the consequences of absorption is a lack of recognition that any conquest has taken place and, hence, an almost impermeable sense of entitlement. The result is a firm conviction that contiguous lands are not real countries, but mere annexes of Russia. For pro-Putin Russians, it is almost impossible to imagine the military take-over of Ukraine as an invasion; it’s more akin to taking back mislaid property.
For Russian ultra-nationalists, Ukraine is still framed by its old imperial label of ‘Little Russia’ (and the Ukrainian language is just ‘Little Russian’). We might also be reminded of the curious imperial decree from 1863 which banned Ukrainian-language publications on the grounds that ‘no separate Little Russian language has ever existed, exists, or can exist’. Banning something that you claim does not exist might seem unnecessary. It speaks of a combination of defensiveness and dismissiveness.
The diversity of colonial models and, I would argue of forms of racism (Multiracism, Polity Press, 2022), is hard to see and difficult to understand when nearly all our representations of colonialism (and racism) refer to American and Western European models. Universities have a key role in nurturing expertise in the history, politics, and languages of Asia and Africa. Not long ago the idea of globalisation was in the ascendant and ‘area’ or ‘regional’ studies went out of fashion. Many were looking forward to a cosmopolitan future when national histories had lost their significance. This agenda now looks like wishful thinking. Today, almost everywhere, nationalism is on the rise. Studying, comparing, and understanding the world’s many stories of colonial power and discrimination has never been more necessary.
Russia can end the war any day they want by just leaving Ukraine. It really is that simple and yet they don't.
@@Arborist5851 no one is interested in Putin no one in Russia today or eastern Europe likes Putin. We have had enough of your b.s in eastern Europe and Moscow now. Trouble is we don't need to bury our history in western today they will have to in eastern Europe now and across Russia from Moscow to Vladivostok.
@@mpg272727 Nato expands its territory to Russia. In fact, war ends by Nato not expanding to Ukraine. It is same as US resist Russian involvement in Cuba
The world can see who wants war
Yup, especially as the one who wants war also started it with the invasion of Crimea in 2014 and his agents starting the civil war in the Donbas, all after his interferenced in ukrainian politic in 2013 that launched the popular movements. But the one who wants war still refuses to aknowledge that his country of 140 million and $2.2 trillions GDP can hardly take on a coalition of 900 million and $40 trillions GDP.
Though it's understandable why he wants war -> how is he going to explain to the russians that he started a failed war, that so many russians died under his command for absolutely nothing and the russian civilian economy has been bled dry, all because of him and his extremely bad choices.
Putin. Since he invaded another nation
Putin...we know
@@Howiex-is8gq Your not watching are you. Like AT ALL.
Obviously it is the pathological Russian liars who cowardly started this war 10 years ago in Crimea.
I knew BBC will speak for British Petroleum n Shell n US Oil companies n not of peace.
"Orban visits Kyiv and talks about Peace"
Critics got angry and told him to go to Moscow.
"Orban visits Moscow and talks about Peace"
"How dare you " 😅
Orban is a the corrupt Putler puppet and absolute embarrassing clown.
Russian bot?
This is a Russian bot account. Very easy to spot.
@@ijumpjudyy You don't know anything about India, do you?
What a load of delusional tripe. Putin doesn't have the slightest interest in peace in Ukraine and neither does Orban. Orban isn't there to get peace for anybody. He's there to line his own pockets by functioning as Putin's Trojan Horse in the EU and NATO.
Glad to see some people are working towards peace.
Appeasement is not peace
Who?
😂😂😂
Orban cant do anything😂
Orban went to met is Girlfriend 😂
Orban, the only adult left in european politics...
@@fingerprint8479 😂😂😂😂😂
💯 percent
The only traitor left in european politics.
@@pieman9so you be patriot and go to war, pus$y
Because making numerous nuclear threats is very responsible and mature, do you even think before you speak or does it just come out?
The world leader meltdown is unbelievable.💀
Putin return Ukraine lands
their true face
Only a clueless person would think it is just that.
@@curiousnomadic that what?
These people are apes who have lost control, this is not a simulated reality. You are full of germs. The words don't mean anything and the gibberish machine simpily is a crank handly on the rack, you own one!
But Hungary is a free and independent country. The EU claimed to have the most democratic system in the world. FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY when it fit their agenda.
EU democracy only works when the US approves it
Loyalty is also prized in democracies. Orban is betraying 1956 as well as oiling Putin's criminal wheels.
EU is foolish Hungary isn't free and independent country. Hungary is also an EU members!! Otherwise it wouldn't have power to blocked 50bn before
@bonnie7898 Really🤔🤔. So why are they so salty about it. The EU was really happy when he visited Kiev. I agreed that the EU can not ban President Orban from visiting any country, but it will try anything to manipulate the narrative and make his visit to Russia about NATO and the EU interests
@@hawky2k215do you know what elections actually mean? Doesn’t look like it.
The only EU leader with any common sense..
Oh yeah right! got it !
The dog going to his master
@@shagohodds Orban is like a cat.. he goes where the food is and do not care for people .. Hungary hosting norfront and neonazis . hypocrisy at its best
Naive comment. Hungary is in NATO and should be expelled.
Hopefully not much longer an EU member .
Well done Orban👍 diplomacy is a key.
BBC housewives and Western feminine males do not like it 😂
The only wise leader in EU
The invasion of Ukraine reminds us that colonialism does not come in one flavour. In Britain we think of colonialism as the conquest of distant lands and empires as fragmented assortments of foreign territories. Russian colonialism and the Russian empire are different. Rather than sailing to far-off shores, Russia expanded - east, south, and west - and absorbed its neighbours.
The Russian model of colonialism by absorption confuses the divide between colonised and colonialists that was so stark in the British and French empires. In some ways Russia’s expansion was less destructive. The transatlantic slave trade and the kind of mass extirpation of indigenous people seen in the Americas have no direct parallels in Russian history. But the recent invasion of Ukraine points to another way of reading Russia’s colonial history. For one of the consequences of absorption is a lack of recognition that any conquest has taken place and, hence, an almost impermeable sense of entitlement. The result is a firm conviction that contiguous lands are not real countries, but mere annexes of Russia. For pro-Putin Russians, it is almost impossible to imagine the military take-over of Ukraine as an invasion; it’s more akin to taking back mislaid property.
For Russian ultra-nationalists, Ukraine is still framed by its old imperial label of ‘Little Russia’ (and the Ukrainian language is just ‘Little Russian’). We might also be reminded of the curious imperial decree from 1863 which banned Ukrainian-language publications on the grounds that ‘no separate Little Russian language has ever existed, exists, or can exist’. Banning something that you claim does not exist might seem unnecessary. It speaks of a combination of defensiveness and dismissiveness.
The diversity of colonial models and, I would argue of forms of racism (Multiracism, Polity Press, 2022), is hard to see and difficult to understand when nearly all our representations of colonialism (and racism) refer to American and Western European models. Universities have a key role in nurturing expertise in the history, politics, and languages of Asia and Africa. Not long ago the idea of globalisation was in the ascendant and ‘area’ or ‘regional’ studies went out of fashion. Many were looking forward to a cosmopolitan future when national histories had lost their significance. This agenda now looks like wishful thinking. Today, almost everywhere, nationalism is on the rise. Studying, comparing, and understanding the world’s many stories of colonial power and discrimination has never been more necessary.
@@richardkent2014🤡💊
I disagree. This move was unwise.
Bloody right!👍 No pussy footing with Orban. Iron Orban they call him in Hungary.
@@richardkent2014 Why are the events that happened centuries ago used to explain or defend the war crimes that Russia is now committing in Ukraine?
We need peace talks 😊
Peace talks or appeasement?
We need Russia not to wage war.
They did peace talks with Adolf when he wanted the Sudetaland. "Sure, be it!" they said, "It'll make him chill out!" they said. And then Adolf wanted Austria! "Sure, be it!" they said, "It'll make him chill out!" There Adolf got parts of Czechia, and the whole Austria. Did it make him chill?! No, He wanted Poland as well, so they took it with Josif, and then he wanted Josif's lands as well, and whole Europe, and the whole world.
What did Vladimir want first? He wanted Abkhazia, and Sout Ossetia back in 2008, sure, he got it in under a week. Was it enough for Vladimir? No, in 2014 he wanted Crimea as well. "Sure, be it!" we said, "Peace is more important!" Was it enough for him? No, he wanted Donetsk and Luhansk as well, and now the whole Ukraine?!
He’s free to meet anyone he likes. Just because the rest of the EU doesn’t want peace doesn’t mean he doesn’t.
What a load of none sense.
We all know russia peace would mean Ukraine surrendering land ro russia.
We also know how Hungary has done all it can to block all aid to Ukraine, even humanitarian aid.
Orban is in so deep with putin, it's disgusting and he has no business pretending he wants peace, when all he is doing is exactly what russia wants and that's to pretend russia is reasonable. No country that attacks another is reasonable.
If russia wants peace, then get the hell out of Ukriane at once.
Putiñ wants pieces
@neo433 then putin and russia should retreat all troops from Ukraine. Then the war will stop.
@@chrislambaa7586 why should he. Just for nato to roll in and place an American military base right on its border. Maybe America would be happy with a Russian military base in Mexico or Cuba. Wait that did happen and America threatened WW3 because of it.
@@neo433 then russia shouldn't have started the war in the first place.
Ukraine had asked for NATO membership and it was ignored.
Now that russia attacked a sovereign country and did many atrocities we will ofcourse let Ukraine into both NATO and EU.
Finland and Sweden also joined NATO.
So now he will get exactly what he didn't want.
So it was incredibly stupid to attack Ukraine again in 2022. If he hadn't we would probably have let him have crimea and donbas, just for the sake of peace. Now he will get nothing.
The kind of leader Europe needs.
Thank fully a leader trying to mediate the end of the war.
sure, Russian terms
@@roadwarrior8560 at the expense of Ukrainian Sovereignty?
Appeasement is not peace,. It is just a break.
@@roadwarrior8560Russia takes 25%of
Ukrainian territories
@@laimabalciuniene9629 thats what happens when you lose a war
And? Now you want to tell me it is bad to explore every diplomatic option to stop the slaughter?
Few months ago, Zelensky’ claimed to have 800,000 men in reserve and also could raise another 200,000 if urgently needed.
Making one million.
During same period Zelensky said Ukraine only suffered 31,000 casualties so far in the war.
This week Zelensky said he has 14 brigades in reserve which is no more than 120,000 men.
From 1 million to 120k.
Zelensky also claimed Ukraine is 10-1 fire power disadvantage. But at same time 6-1 KIA advantage. 😂😂😂
How is the man with 10-1 fire power disadvantage having a 6-1 casualty advantage??😂😂
When Ukraine supporters heard all these they concluded Putin is a liar. 😂😂😂
@@enixword2637great argument senator. Now how about you back it up with a source.
Are you opening your eyes on Media which is a lying machine?
The warmongers in the UK and EU will be disappointed.
Russia invaded you numpty, not the EU.
If Russia had not invaded Crimea, there would not have been a war.
@@tombarry2523 Russia HAD to invade
@@FlamespeedyAMV No, Russia are jealous cowards.
@@FlamespeedyAMV No Russia are jealous cowards.
Wow, big respect, Hungarian prime minister ❤
Oh yeah,..RIGHT ! This disgusting dictator old MAN !
Haha he has zero respect from every other country in the world 😂
@@kennymorrison7227nope. Many many ppl are praising him..... just not the corrupt EU war hawks.
Yep because they do not want peace! :(@AnjulaGodakumbura
@@kennymorrison7227 every other country, you mean like the puppet regimes of Europe and the US?
what does mean Hungarian PM doesn't get permission from EU? laughable autocracy of the double standard west. He is asking peace to all
You deaf or what? Putin clearly said that he doesn’t want peace, he wants Ukraine.
Why don’t you give a piece of your lands if you want that kind of peace, see how that will end.
Hungary currently has the EU Council presidency. And he also went right after meeting with Zelensky without telling him.
Permition not from EU, but from the US. This is a typo because EU is an American poppet.
@@alexhumble7653 This is a dumb take, you're wrong
I am not wrong. Look at Germany, a locomotive of EU, how it reacted when Americans destroyed their Nordstream gas pipe causing a huge damage to Germany's and EU Of course EU is American poppet. economy. Did they say anything? Belarus is called Putin's poppet, but even Lukashenko Belarus' president would not tolerate anything like this.
Maybe both just want to open doors to a less dangerous future.
Who invaded ukrane?
Hope your new Labour Govt PM has the wisdom to get rid of US shadow and past conservative warmongering posture for a better UK free of hypocrisy.
I doubt it. Starmers 'reset' sounds very much like ' the great reset' of the WEF!
I hope I'm wrong.
I won't hold my breath...
They are all the same liars, paid out from the same pocket
Lol you are dreaming too big 😂😂
Nope
Viktor Orban should be praised, not criticized. He takes the peace initiative while all the others only seek to escalate the war. As a negotiator, he met with Zelensky and Putin, both sides of the conflict. There's nothing strange about it.
We all know where this is going...ruzzia wants to keep the ocupied ukrainian land for a ceasfire/peace...they made that very clear...thats a no no. Orban whats to make that happend and to get some benefits from Ruzzia...we are not stupid, maybe you are but not us, no offence.
Russia invades a neighbour, and you approve. Well done.
He is not trying to get peace. He is just trying that Russia successes with the invasion and with getting territories through mass murder and nuke threats. That is not peace.
@sebastianag2966 You´re a bot.
Appeasement is not peace. Orban could not care less about Ukraine's terms, agenda and future.
Bbc in utter disgust😂😂😂
Why would he need any mandate from Ursula to go Moscow? He is a free politician and Hungary leads the EU for six months. He doesn’t need any mandates
There has not been such thing as "free politician" in the west nor any freedom whatsoever, only freedom for propaganda for those who keep Media.
Its about time. End this war Mr. Orban!
Yes, let Russia take what it wants, like the dictatorship that it is.
@@kingsuperbus4617 Yes, tell Pootin to stop invading.
Orban is an idiot hes not stopping anything. Anyone who talks to Putin isn't for peace.
I hope everyone here realises Putin doesn’t want to end the war with peace terms. There recently was one but neither he nor ping were anywhere to be found. If Putin wanted to stop the war he would have already, diplomacy isn’t going to work. Putin’s defeat will
@tombarry2533 it was Ukraine that sold out to the devil.
Peace in Ukraine! I support Orban 100%. End the needless war!
Steve Davis was boring at snooker your just boring in the comment section 😂
Yes, Orban should tell Putin to withdraw all Russian troops from Ukrainian territory if he is a man of peace.
Short reminder that Putin could end the war every day if he just withdraws his troops.
Appeasement is not peace.
@@PassivePortfoliosTell your portfolios stop poking the bear .
He is the only one leader in the EU who really desires for peace. Others are too foolish to avoid WW3
Why Putin doesn't simply stop it by leaving Ukraine? ^^ Why should 50 people act if just ONE made something wrong? ^^ Putin started the war not the EU. ;)
Orban don't want peace. Orban is just doing what putin is telling him and paying him for.
Orban don't care about Ukraine and he made that obvious when he blocked aid for Ukraine and even blocked humanitarian aid.
@@JazzJaRaWhy Nato leave Ukraine membership instead of pushing them to war 🤷
@@JazzJaRawell he does not and he will not. But it does not mean that attempts to stop that war cannot not be made.
@@Starlink502Ukraine was never offered NATO membership.
But since russia attacked, they will be allowed into NATO and EU and there is nothing russia can do about it.
EUROPE already broke 😂😂😂
go home vatnik
Europa ist ein Pflegefall 😅
Ok orcbot 🥱
What are you talking about? It is never united, where is broken?
Putlers fabulous bunns of any filling of Orbans cups 😂
Why would Ukraine complain?? He went to Zelensky *first* , then to Putin (showing Zelensky more respect than he deserves). I don't believe Ukraine "complained" ; I also don't believe any EU leaders other than those from US/UK/Germany complained either. I imagine Portugal could not care less that Orban is trying to broker some kind of negotiated settlement...
Putin broke peace and started this war in 2014 for no reason other than his brain fart, so there is no point in negotiating any new “settlements” that Putin will break the next day due to his next brain fart.
Finlands puppet president was quite disappointed about Orbans visit to Moscow
He keeps going living legend
Finally, someone with sense.
I struggle to understand why peace building and diplomacy is bad. It's like the European Union want the war to keep on going?
The European Union appears to be committing a suicide
The EU and NATO are so innocent!
Russia wants to keep the war going, simple. They do not want to pull out their forces, they want eastern Ukraine for resources. Appeasement is not peace. Additionally the EU supports Ukraine, because Russia is an aggressor and ending the war by not letting Ukraine into NATO, will probably cause another Russo-Ukraine war in the future.
@@jackierogers566 its their true faces
Few leaders are talking peace. Salute 🫡
Diplomacy at work
He is not democracy, he is a khuilo's slave
Bunns of steel holding the cucumber 🥒 😮
Appeasement.
@@Blanka1100 Putler is capitulate babushka komrade 😂
Where?
PEACE.
shut up ruzzian nazi troll.
Well done this is an example of a true politition doing his job to unite countries and negotiate peace
🧡 USA or America calls it "Liberation" instead of "Invasion". That was what US call it in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and the list goes on... Why the double standard? Confused... Please enlighten. Genuine question...
Instances of the United States "liberated" or overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)
China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009 *
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
2014 - 2022 - 9 countries yet to verify.
Pakistan 2022 *
Haiti 2022 *
Niger 2023
Haiti 2024
Congo 2024 *
America wanted policy of neutrality in both world wars. But it was forced to join. America wants that to not happen again by intervening. Russia has had its fair share of invasions too
@@clashkingking6193 So the US invades or coups peaceful or weak nations that could not possibly be a threat to the US...yeah, sure
These governments were liberated from dictators who had oppressive regimes. Did they go exactly as planned? No. Were they perfectly executed? Not all. Was the original intent well-planned? Not always. But we stood up for the people deserving freedom and faced down tyranny. As a Hungarian, I am extremely happy that America is the symbol of the free world. It has its problems, but that only means it stands in the realm of reality. Nothing is perfect, but we strive to reach it with each step we take. We are flawed just as any other man. Governments think they are without flaw such as China and Russia, which is where they stand to lose.
If putin has banned VPNs, and doesnt allow access to youtube, how are you here?
@@bencebatyi7289 Many were democratic governments, which the US overthrew and installed corrupt or genocidal dictatorships
The EU's and frankly the waets greatest fear is the fact that peace may break out. They have invested heavily in this war and they want it going.To what end is already very clear to most, and it slowly unravels itself to the rest.
Has Russia not invested in and instigated the war?
Peace could break out if Russia leaves Ukraine
Thanks PM Orban for this peace mission 🙏🙏🙏
Most reasonable with common sense i would say.
Yes, very easy to say Ukraine must not defend itself.
@@tombarry2523 destroy itself I guess you mean to say? Was it reasonable to go into the war they cannot win? Was it reasonable to put civilians through hell for the sake of NATO membership? Is it reasonable to continue fighting knowing that you cannot achieve anything?
Ukraine reminds me of my Yorkie, that likes to yap on big dogs and keep ending at vets in stitches. My Yorkie also has the right to defend itself but would be better if it stops yapping and jumping on big dogs.
You only want Ukraine to fight as it doesn't relate to you anyhow. But I have family.members there and if not their government they could live in peace and I would not get stressed every time I read the news.
@@tombarry2523 What about Donbass people? Do they have the right to defend themselves?
@@esharp2720 They have the right to defend themselves, but that doesn't give Russia the right to invade Ukraine. Btw. even the UN reports say that most people killed in Donbas were armed forces and NOT civilians.
@@esharp2720 They deserve to elect who they want, not Pootin who is a terrorist.
At last a move towards peace.
Beeb doesnt like it!
Moscow does not have to try very hard to sow disunity in the West.
The west = US, the rest are useless
Moscow doesn't care about the west...If you threaten Russia ..it will respond
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@@ijumpjudyycleanest country! I is a cesspit.
Okmo@@ijumpjudyy
Peace haters didn't like the visit. It's a strange world.
Ivan, you are confused, "peace haters" are those who broke peace and started this war in 2014 - Russians.
Orban has always stood for peace going back to 2014. He has his peoples interest first which is what any democratically elected leader should do His country is one of the fastest growing economies in Europe.
Orban is a criminal. Everything else is a theatre.
And what are talking about the "fastest growing economics"...no comment. You are clearly not in the picture.
Orban always stood for appeasement of Fuhrer Putin. There was nothing wrong with peace broken by Russian Reich in 2014.
@@szabinaszabo6157 You are right I mistook it for Poland but still he stands for peace not a US Poodle Puppy
Hungary hosting neonazis . norfront and neonazis . and Putin knows it so well ,hypocrisy at its best or are he just using Orban to divide .. wake waky
No weapons delivered = no kickbacks .
Love Orban. Please come to the UK and sort us out.
Mr. Orban is the only European leader who truly values the life of Ukrainians.
May God bless him and Hungary!!
How does he value the lives of Ukrainians by encouraging the architect of the invader of their country?
By funding war by buying gas?
@@user-mz3in7vo5b It's NATO who wants war. Western Europe does not value the Slavic people.
By trying to make peace. Only idiots can believe that Russia can be defeated and subdued.
The EU, under the capable leadership of whoever preceded Mr. Orban, had more than four years to teach Russia a lesson it would never forget. The results speak for itself, Europe is going to endure more of the same for the foreseeable future. EU is clueless on how to end the war, while is full of enthusiasm to support whatever the US told it to do.
Mr. Orban put his neck out and takes the initiative to look for a way out of this mess, and the EU spat the dummy and told you that "you have no mandate to do that". Obviously those "chair warmer" in Brussels feel threatened by Orban's initiative. Chair warmers don't like people with initiatives.
brussel ruled by a club where the membership price is always prioritize club etiquette. What is raising so many questions but the top on that, this club is look like purposely generating problems.it's ironic because those problems strengthen their political opponents.
When Putin's lapdog runs to lick his master he is not really "putting his neck out".
@@teglayani6748 Yes, you are right about that. It is an own-goal by the EU. Now the Far-right parties are going to show them how NOT to start wars.
EU is an American poppet so they follow directions from Washington DC
It seems bbc having double standards there friend Turkey are seeing Russian president since the war started but its OK . Bbc never mentioned it, also Turkey are about to join BRICKS. But as I said before uk has double standards.
Not just BBC, but all western media which simply a lying machine
I totally support this decision
It's time to look at things from a diplomatic point of view
The fact that people are against this guy for not wanting to get involved in war is outrageous
Why can’t the ‘visit’ be reported as the ‘positive action’ it could be!?
It's positive for humanity, but negative for globalists, Deep State/. Cabal. They like divide and conquer and own all mainstream media to push negativity
He is not trying to get peace or anything positive. He is just trying that Russia successes with the invasion and with getting territories through mass murder and nuke threats. That is not peace.
Hungary is entitled to they are a european country and they got the presidency it dosent come around to often
Try and get peace in ukraine
He is not trying to get peace. He is just trying that Russia successes with the invasion and with getting territories through mass murder and nuke threats. That is not peace.
Bravo to Victor! Great that we still have men that stand on their two feet and are not slaves of USA AND EUROPE.
How is the WEST & NATO going
to look if the one who did not want
to send tanks will end this war ?
Orban won't do anything except collect his paycheck from Putler.
How is the west and NATO looking right now?
@@user-ol6gw3uc9q as the only wise
man who know how to deal with Russia.
You're living in a dream world. Orban isn't going to achieve a damn thing in Moscow. You pro-Kremlin people have no place in the Western dialogue.
@@user-ol6gw3uc9q We're looking GREAT thanks for asking.
Two leaders who aren't puppets of ZOG
@@JamesSmith-qs4hx But one is a puppet of the other
Budapest the main quarter of norfront and neonazis . hypocrisy at its best
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@@ijumpjudyy cleanest. .yeah right
@@steveborgmalta And you have been brainwashed by ZOG
Not all Americans want war!! Ty for being a diplomat maybe some in the American so called leaders should try that!!
America is not at war.
you are a ruzzian bot,not american. so,shut up
Depends on how you look at it. When our tax dollars go to this war, can you really say we are not in it?
@@daveoc.80BI preferred your alt bot account @daveoc1010 . BTW what’s with the fresh account? You run out of funding to buy an older account from Fameswap for your botting? Poor you 😢 hope you don’t get mobilised Ivan.
@@Draconicdeer You're mistaking me for the other bot that I cloned this account from just to troll him. I'm glad I fooled you. Proves that it works....
Get back to talks man.. enough war. Already for 2 yrs they are fighting with no end. Just losing human lives for a stalemate makes no sense.
Hungry is a sovereign independent country. Orban is internationally renowned European leader. He can very well create atmosphere for peace negotiations between two warring parties. It’s not a crime to talk to Mr. Putin. Hence BBC’s Russian editors question as to why orban visited Russia is partisan; unfair display of groupism & bias. Peace will never happen if two warring parties do not directly talk.
Fools already tried diplomacy to appease Hitler and Putin, it didn’t work.
@@andrewadams6905Ukrainians liked to greet Hitler with bread and salt.
@@fiksaciya_shpindelya After the joint Nazi-Russian invasion of Poland in 1939, some locals in western Ukraine brainwashed by Russian propaganda actually greeted Russians (Nazi allies) with bread and salt, but then Russians committed so many war crimes (see NKVD prisoner massacres) that some locals greeted Hitler with bread and salt in 1941.
The only diplomat that wants to do diplomacy
What?
Get free people to surrender to the man who wants them obliterated?
Putin " can you spare any cannon fodder?"
you dont want to believe everything Zelensky says
Zelensky was a comedian, He turned Russia into a big joke😂😂😂😂😂
the kidnaped ukrainian men agree with you 🥺
Orban. I'm only here for the money.
@@briancarno8837 I';; believe Zelenskyy before I believe the Kremlin finger painter. That tiny blood soaked Gargoyle is in trouble and he knows it.
How dare you talk about peace shame on you says NATO
There was nothing wrong with peace which was broken by Russia in 2014, so we just need to restore it, and there is nothing to talk about.
Has Mr. Orban brought up the issue of the Ukrainian children Russia has abducted? That seems like an important step to any peace deal?
Almeno qualcuno in Europa mostra un briciolo di buon senso!
sincere effort to bring peace but a big disappointment to the warmongers
Orban is the only politician in the EU who, not in words but in deeds, wants peace in Europe.
There is also prime minister of Slovakia, but you don't know because you are a victim of western propaganda.
To be honest I am suprised nige isnt there too.
hungary is not the only nation that has warm ties Slovakia and Turkiye do too
Ukrain and Russia should stop fighting, to the security of both people.
Russia will stop fighting immediately the US and its evil allies pull out and stop using Ukraine as a battering ram against Russia.
Yes, the Ukrainian families under occupation are having a fabulous time, not.
Russia can't until the west stops first
Putin should withdraw all Russian troops from Ukrainian territory if he really wants peace.
@@tombarry2523 Ukrainian residents who are under occupation do not want to go back to Ukraine, because smaller pensions and worse living conditions await them there, which is why, when Russia left Kherson, 100 thousand unfortunate residents of Kherson asked to take them with them
Many agree that the war in Ukraine should end as soon as possible in order to prevent the catastrophic consequences of that conflict. Recently, there have been many proposals by statesmen such as Trump, Orban, Putin or Zelensky on how to achieve peace in Ukraine.One of the ways to achieve long-term peace in Ukraine, considering the real situation on the ground, is the application of the Australian model of the political system, which has proven to be very successful.
As we know, the Australian political system is based on the continuity of belonging of Australia and the majority of its citizens to the British (Anglo-Saxon) historical, national and cultural identity, just as it is the case with Ukraine and Russia. Consequently, as a result of that, Australia has its own parliament and prime minister where English is accepted as the official language of that country.
The British monarch is at the same time the head of the Australian state, as well as the commander-in-chief of the Australian armed forces, represented by the governor-general of Australia.
Applying the same constitutional model, Ukraine would have its own parliament and prime minister, where the official language would be Russian, with the use of all other languages permitted. The Russian president will be at the same time Ukrainian head of state and the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian armed forces, and he would be represented by the governor general of Ukraine.
Such a solution would ensure peace and prosperity in Ukraine and Europe, just as it was the case with Australia, Canada or New Zealand.
Zelensky needs to face the fact that Maidan Revolution irretrievably broke Ukraine. The Presidents of Kiev turned the place into an extremist nightmare. Let the Eastern and Southern people that used to be Ukrainians go their own way.
Wise thought. One problem is that the West is using Ukraine as a battering ram to weaken Russia; now no one except Ukraine is interested in peace. Even the Ukrainian government is not interested, only the population.
Zelensky is not a statesman, but a private person after his presidential term expired more than a month ago and he illegally dismissed elections.
One thing that this India-Delta-India-Oscar-Tango did do is force Putin to publicly prioritize what he, Putin, has meant all along: ‘No ceasefire (says it will allow the Ukrainians to regroup) and that total capitulation is the only acceptable answer.’ This gives him added strength with the “non-opponents’ in Russia and solidifies Russia’s direction. It may be a domestic propaganda coup for Putin but it pulls him away, permanently, from the false position of negotiation, which should solidify the West more. He wants to erase Ukraine, absorb it into Russia and look West. From the NATO perspective: The Canadian proposal from years ago should be taken up so that NATO can eject Orban and Hungary, and have him take Turkey (even with their Black Sea access) and Bulgaria with him when he goes. FITBOW!!!
PM Orbán is smart leader that E.U needs right now but not does stupid leaders, so i mean he went there that's a good idea and progress for the world.
Two great leaders.
Orban is a good boy, he knows how to maintain check and balance
He's only there for the money. He doesn't give AF about Russia.
Bravo Orban, great Leader for peace in Europe!❤
This is more like it, a step in the right direction, towards PEACE....
NATO should thank Orban for paving the way to restore proper dialogue, after being given the go ahead from the Ukrainian president who has dug himself in a hole with his tomfoolery
Finally someone has grown some, manned up, done the adult thing and began peace talks, if anyone truly cares about Ukrainian people then stop the war asap
tell that to putin. putin only use orban
Oh damn he was round earlier for tea and cake, I could of mentioned it couldn't I ey, oh well I think he's popping in next Tuesday afternoon so I'll say it if the conversation goes that way
@@bonnie7898 Very well said!
No I haven't forgotten anything, of cause in your persuation the Indigenous Russian speaking peoples of what was east Ukraine don't get a say in any of it, Minsk 1 Minsk 2 agreements mean nothing and neonazism it's OK by you ey
@@GarnetNewfree Ivan, who are you trying to fool with old BS from Russian Zombie TV? Russian Reich invaded eastern Ukraine in 2014, and has been destroying the homes and lives of the "Russian speaking peoples" while claiming to protect them. Nobody was shelling/bombing "Russian speaking peoples" in eastern Ukraine until Russian "little green men" invaded and opened fire on April 12, 2014.
Warmongers and bots are outraged in the comments! How dare he?!…😂😂😂
Ivan, open dictionary and learn what "warmonger" means: Warmonger - "a person who encourages or advocates aggression towards other countries or groups." Russia is the aggressor in this war, so Russians are the warmongers who advocate their aggression towards Ukraine.
@andrewadams6905 stop spamming garbage Oleg ukro bot ^^
@@silaslong-js8ps Russian Zombies simply post BS from their standard checklist w/o understanding the meaning of the words they are using, and then call dictionary definitions "garbage". LOL
@@andrewadams6905 you are a plain eejit! And with a dictionary at that! 😄😄😄
NATO and the US are the aggressors in this case and Russia had their legitimate security concerns since the fall of the Soviet Union but they kept provoking them. The CIA organised coup in Kyiv in 2014 was the cherry on top of the ice cream.
Geopolitics is not your specialty apparently. Go home and rethink your life!
@@andrewadams6905 in this case “warmonger” means someone who sends weapons to another country for their people to die in a needless war. It fits NATO and the US. NATO and the US are the true aggressors in this conflict and Russia had their legitimate security concerns since the fall of the Soviet Union but they kept provoking them. And the CIA organised coup in Kyiv in 2014 was the cherry on top of the ice cream!
Go home and rethink your life!
Yeeeah Russia is unique in sowing disunity and division among its advisories, not like west's been sowing insurrection in Taiwan or anything else that nature 🙃
Respected Sir please try to stop the war and save people.
A very peaceful and wiseman Orban❤
His got a pair of ....s to say lets stop this and be civil. If Trump was in he be doing the same.
Why are the European leaders criticising PM Orbán? Maybe they don't want peace?
its their true face
Orban was never for peace but only for appeasement of Fuhrer Putin, big difference.
4.1 million votes is a massive achievement for Reform UK ! Well done !
60 million of us didn't vote for Reform UK Ltd .
@@user-ol6rd7pl5t Replacing rishi with starmer is like being in a children’s hospital in the 70s and being told the jimmy saville visit has been cancelled only to here the didgeridoo coming down the corridor
@@user-ol6rd7pl5t 50 odd million didn't vote sir beer despite their being many gimmigrants paid in benefits to vote liebour.
@@user-ol6rd7pl5t And just look at the mindless cabbages who voted Labour.
@@JamesSmith-qs4hx Does it bring back memories for you.
Vladimir Putin is the smartest and most well prepared statesman of our days!
Exactly
Idiots said the same thing about Hitler.
THOSE
Who criticized the Meeting did so from the Comfort of their Living Space, while Mr Orban traveled to keep OPEN the Dialogue that might bring Further meetings that will SAVE lives.
Better to travel with Hope, than NOT at All.
UK VERY WORRIED ABOUT EU 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Peace Nobel prize nominate🕊️
Hope for Peace brightens. May God be with him 💪
May Putin be with him, appeasement of Fuhrer Putin has nothing to do with God.
Peace not war
Oh no a country playing two side for the sake of their own country ? What a nightmare 😂
Steve Rosenberg is such a shameless propagandist. Do some real journalism for God's sake!