IT'S A DISGRACE! đ€Ź Spencer Oliver SLAMS Ryan Garcia & DEMANDS heavy punishment | talkSPORT Boxing
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I wonder if Eddie Hearn believes Garcia is innocent and urges everyone to "wait for the science" to be released.
Simon Jordan is gonna have a field day with Eddie when he next sees him haha
Of course he does.
Thatâs Oscar de Holaâs job not Eddieâs. Eddie said Ryan should be given chance to prove his innocence
@@Yiealo6372jd This has nothing to do with Eddie as much as you want it too.
Eddie Hearn will have the opposite view as its not his fighter who failed.
Hey Spencer. Did you also demand "heavy punishment" for Tyson Fury, that other PED cheat? Or did you believe Fury's "wild boar meat" fairy tale?đ Hypocrisy much?
PED....tyson fury? what are you smoking....he was a crackhead and drunks, yes. But PEDS...you on some good stuff.
He did, in this very video.
He called for a lifetime ban for him.
Spencer almost died during his last fight so he doesn't mess around with the subject
why do you lot always deflect to Fury? This is about Garcia.
â@@geedee1264if Spencer took PED cheating so seriously he wouldn't be a massive Fury fanboy.
I said this on another channel that the big difference between Benn and Garcia is that Benn failed a test and the fight was called off. Garcia missed weight and fought with PEDs in his system and battered his opponent and hurt him badly. Totally different situation as the fight did go ahead and the lighter guy got flattened. So freakin dangerous. Criminal actuallyâŠliterally so. Just another crappy mark on boxing. Sucks.
You do know, Connor Benn won by stoppage in 2 rounds and then found guilty of failing drug test after the fight happened right? đ€Šââïžđđđ
Conor tested positive in the build up to the legacy fight v Eubank Jr.
Wtf you talking about? đ€·đ»ââïž
Only because the story was leaked. Eddie knew when they announced the fight that Benn was juicing and still went ahead with selling ppvs and tickets.
Benn tested positive before the fight. Garcia did not test positive before the fight. The results came.out after the fight. Clear difference. You an Eddie hearn fan boy?
Ffs đ€Šââïž Iâm not about to go back and forth with a bunch of folks with agendas arguing every minutiae out there. There are many things to bring up of course. But, to be clear Iâm referring to the Benn v Eubank fight as thatâs what most people will use as a comparison. And no Iâm not defending Benn in any way and no I donât dislike Garcia. If Benn could have got away with the fight he would have Iâm sure. But the difference and my main point is one fight didnât happen (and Eubank likely avoided being badly hurt) and in another case the fight did and someone got badly hurt. There is a qualified difference in that regard. Letâs try and be grown ups in comments and not kids in a playground.
Where was the outrage when Garcia turned up 3lb overweight. There are weight divisions for a reason and in those lower divisions, when one fighter is killing himself to cut weight and another is not, there can and have been serious injuries. The fight should not have happened in the first place...its worse that most people know Garcia was on all types of substances, who did not think this was a possibility? End of story. Ban him for life.
There was outrage, but Devin still wanted to fight.
In that case it's Haney's fault then for cutting his weight and looking so dehydrated for the fight then, similarly to Ryan. Also, 3 pounds heavier? Fine, but it's just 3 lb over, so where do we draw the line at? 2.5, 2, 1.5 lb over? 1 lb over, and the fighter not allowed to fight?
Jeez, There was NO outrage when Garcia did'nt make the weight, because he said that he would personally pay Haney $500,000 for every pound that he came in overweight, & that turned out to be $2 million, but even without the failure to make the weight, that he would have beaten Haney, but he must ALSO be given the chance to prove his innocence, & if he cannot do that, then he need to be punished accordingly.
I like Garcia, but he is not above the law, let all of the facts come out, before we rush to judge him.
he always comes in 3 ibs overweight...his lil fanboys cxame at tank for not allowing Ryan to rehyrate up to welterweight in a lightweight fight...
@@jvinsontrue hence the 1.5 million that Ryan was happy to pay hmmmm
Ryan a drug cheat
Put down the rainbow đ flag. 69er ! đ
Garcia needs to take a "Mental health" break to cover/hide his ban. Anyone done that before?????
Hahaha I was thinking the same thing
Give me an F....
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Thereâs only ooooooooneeee Tyson Fury
@@Grandfinal43 The big Dossierđ
Spencer Oliver the man who interviewed Jarrell Miller. Where was this energy then Spencer?
If Ryan is innocent in this then surely he would be talking about giving hair samples or b samples and suing the athletics commission. At the moment itâs just the same old.
VADA sent him a letter with a negative test taken on
February 28th and now claims that a test from the
day of the fight (April 20) came positive. So
assuming he started cycling the very next day the
letter came he did a month and 20 days cycle ??
Sounds like bs
@@KMD-qj1qche peed in the cup on the 20th but it didnât come back until later
â@@dreamsneverdie3523 It's bizarre that so many ppl don't understand this? Maybe cause they're being gaslighted by Ryan, acting like he doesn't know this...
Ban him for 5 years minimum. Strike the win from his record. Fine him every penny he earned from the fight.
It's time boxing made a lasting example of these cheaters.
Thatâs what they should have done to Tyson fury he was taking the same drug too
Cope đ
Haney lost Allah couldn't save him
What about the money he robbed Vegas for betting on him self
Hahaha, what a waisted bit of thumb movement
This guy cheated every way possible. Missed weight and two peds!! Lifetime banned!!
That win last week papered over the cracks in Garcias life. The kid is off his head
Yeah the young good looking multi millionaire athlete is really mentalđ
2 separate samples both positive and in his system before during and after the fight
He had have taken it on the same day or a day before premeditated
Ben not thanking the man for the drink brought in shows the man he is
I respect Spencers consistency and honesty regarding this. You need a zero tolerance policy regarding something so serious and it needs exceptional circumstances to be proven it was a mistake.
Except Tyson Fury and Canelo Alvarez???
Nah we just need tougher bans & more media scrutinity. i hate when this happens cause everyone acts outraged in the first week & then all the usual media outlets, pundits etc all fall in line. Just like they did with Conor Benn, they let him get away with murder due to his links to Hearn & wider media pressure. No one ever keeps this energy. I'd much rather people consistently call for 5 year bans than screaming life time bans once a year when something happens
Exactly Tyson fury should be banned for life also for taking that specific drug too
Why pop on the day? Smells like...
That's not realistic
Need to be banned for life. Haney a young fighter may never be the same as he took a lot of punishment in the fight. đĄ
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đŻ zero tolerance policy should be adopted
I don't think that Haney will be the same the guy took a beating. I think that Garcia's whole purpose was to seriously hurt Haney and end his career. He doesn't care about boxing he's made his money.
The same drug Tyson fury was caught taking and stripped he should be banned for life too
@@aznoutlawz-whatâs funny? Boxing is the most dangerous sport in earth
Simon Jordan's Tories taking an absolute thrashing today.
Brilliant.
They're no though
â@@bwilliamson3887Uh yeah they are... here's a gram of cope...
@@FruitFlyKilla Not in London. Khan will go.
Oh wonderful that leaves us with the formidable Labour Party....smh
@johnhopkinson4054 Haha, they are so formidable especially with the raven haired northern powerhouse
A Latino boxer donât know weâre to get Steroids đđđđ
Eddie Hearn response has been "I believe everybody deserves an opportunity to have a hearing but right now he's guilty until proven innocent until further investigations have taken place" which is slightly hypocritical considering his comment's about Conor Benn being caught.
Wouldâve been all one way if he hadnât stuck his neck out for Conor
He said UNFORTUNATELY in boxing you're guilty until proven innocent. Quote him accurately
Eddie said âUnfortunately everyone is guilty until proven innocent in boxing. He said he should be given time to try and prove his innocenceâ
That's why he made that point you donut because he had to go through all of what Garcia is going to have to go through now
Ben Shalom is spot on re not banning trainers here, A lot of fighters especially Ryan have their own team full of clowns & dodgy family members/promoters like Oscar. No way someone like Derrick James would piss away his rep for Ryan who he has only known for like 1 year
Like Floyd's been saying for ages now we need the Olympic Drug Tests in boxing
Floyd was taking IV drips using a TUE loophole FFS
what do the IV's do?â@@twilh
â@@jamesasc7709mask roids
They don't want the tests back before the fight because that legitimatizes letting the fight go a head an the money rolls in
True
Probably is as simple as that tbh you think the powers behind boxing want to jeopardise these events when they can just spin everyone a simple tale instead
Bingo. They value the money more than the fighter's health
No it's cause test results take time to come back, how is this so hard to understand? It's common knowledge? Ryan is gaslighting everybody acting like he doesn't know
Ben's so boring đŽ
You arenât wrong đïžđđ€đ„±
They won't want to jeopardise fights and the millions invested by getting results 1 day before a fight. The reason it's released after is because the companies have already made all their money.
Nicely put. I don't understand how Charlemagne don't get it.
Let's just be honest, they're all on something. Some just have better "nutritionists"/pharmacists than others.
Sadly so
The boxing rules need changes and updates
Throw the book at him and sue him to get your money back.
Simon is clueless, grilling Benn on time lines when its the responsibility of the testing companies
until the governing bodies grow some balls and come down hard on them it will continue! pharmacy miller case in point. they had the chance to make a statement with him but they didn't should of been banned for life.
Why would they frame ryan? He is a good money maker. Why did they bust Canelo twice in 2018, who has been the biggest cash cow for years? You guys sound really dumb. Boxing focuses on cash cows, if anything, they would try to hide the test for ryan, since he makes good numbers. Besides Vada is a billion dollar company that tests other sports bigger than boxing.
Then Ryan should prove his innocence
@@Cometohellwithme i dont think he is innocent. Did you even read my comment?
@@Joseph._odk Clearly not, but then why bother trying to understand someone's point when a kneejerk reaction will do?
Punish fighters as well for not making weight....70% pay given to their opponent
But Spencer was loving a bit of Big Pharma Miller in his interview weren't he đ
Just do the research if they didn't test. No one will know. Remember, he passed all the rest
Iâm no fan of Ben Shalom but TalkSport expecting Shalom to explain why tests take so long to come back is exactly why you canât take them seriously
Calm down folks. Do people honestly think fighters/ athletes are clean???
They are all on steroids for fucks sake it's just who plays the game and doesn't get caught.
Peoples nievety worries me when it comes to peds .
Then it's all grand!!
He said himself it was the ostarin
They should test onsite , fight week and fight night with a mobile trailer lab for instant results
There are so many variables regarding this issue and because of that there is a plethora of factors we can all point our fingers at as to who or what is at fault, but one thing is for certain and that is this problem is institutionalised and when something is so embedded the possibilities of it being resolved are near zero,,,fact..,.
The only reason this is happening is because they know that Haney without an undefeated record is completely useless to them. This is about them trying to get the fight ruled a no contest. Anything to get that zero back
ye ryan garcia isnt a coked up roided up confused fighter with horrible parents working with a coked up promoter whos fighters have been on roids before stfu. Ryan garcia needs serious help
The comparison to Benn was plain to see?
Ban him for life
Itâs a pointless excersize if results are after the fight, seems shady to me.
Bank robbery is a great description
Let remember ben sholom doesn't even use vada
That in it self is a massive problem
Cause we all know ukad isn't exactly the best
It's done like that on purpose (the testing), so the tests can be used as leverage if need be at a later date, SO MANY examples of this playing out.
They test before and on the day this discussion is going in circles .
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber â
Sir Simon and Sir Spectre = Top LADS Proper Clobber
@@sammybeck4855 Sir Sammy Beck = Top LAD Proper Clobber đŻ Facts
Test earlier. Test just before the fight. Test after the fight
"Why didn't they come out with this before" ..he sounding like R kelly. Boxing has become saturated with instagram fans who want a hero story instead of real boxing fans who value fairness and integrity
Notice how Eddie Hearn has kept unusually quiet over this whole situation. Hasn't got a leg to stand on after the Conor benn situation đ„ đł
Simon deserves a journalist medal for asking the questions us fans want asked. Keep putting pressure on their necks, Simon!
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Plenty đ§Ș happening lately
Shalom nearly put his foot in itđ đ
This is why boxing is still in la la land . Thereâs to much money on the line and nobody really cares. Spencer is spot on. Top show guys
Sad but I work Monday to Thursday doing deliveries and Thursday 12 ocklock gives me the biggest boost of the week hearing Spencerâs theme tune. Sad but true đ€Ł
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agree with Spencer, there should be serious consequences for cheating.
If found guilty he needs to be banned for life.
fair enough ...thought you was going to be like IFLs ig page,
respect
Haney was robbed. He needs a rematch immediately with stringent testing throughout the buildup.
To be honest he was "acting" mentally unwell before the fight and they still let him in the ring to get punched in the head.
How about boxing start making their own supplements like the ufc. That way anything you taken outside of approved supplements will clearly determine culpability.
There's literally a line of supps approved by WADA and such...
Because "boxing" isnt a company
Purses should be withheld until tests are clear!
Ryan got tested throughout his training camp
There is no SAME DAY TEST RESULTS!. the sample has to be sent to a lab. Fighter could take a shot right before fight to avoid test anyway. Come up with better testing or play by the rules.
And that drug causes "Mood swings" when Testosterone is low. Might explain his "strange" behavior before fight.
Spot on! Peopleâs lives are at risk. The system needs to be revised for the safety of all boxers!
You would think professional sports at the highest level, they could get same day test results ffs.
It's not rocket science mate quick customer service email
How long does it take??
Testing has to be Done before fights Always caught đ„ then for Life
What if just what if they make it legal?
They test a week before, the day before, and the day after... It's to catch the cycle. How are you putting yourself in front of millions of people and not knowing this?
Garcia sounds convincing but we shall see.
Legitimate sports have 4 year ban
Spencer nearly lost his life. Doesn't like to mention it much...
I think Garcia should hire Benns defence team, speard headed by Eddie Hearn. They know how to get around a failed test or 2.
Quick to judge as always đđđ
When he interviewed miller why didnât say that
Straight away from Jim ' we're bringing in top boxing promoter Ben Shalom' come on Jim I bet you urged a bit inside trying to get those words out đ
If a fighter employs a nutritionists, then the fighter and nutritionists should hold responsibility, they are the ones who decide what and when a fighter puts into his body
Simple solution - purse held in escrow, if you are found to be juiced at a point after the fight then you lose 75% of the purse....permanently unless at some point after then you are absolved/proved innocent.
100%, surely.
@@andrewcarson5850 I was thinking about the fighters team who still need to get paid, it didn't seem sensible to punish them for the fighters alleged mistake.
@@GhettoDefendant937 Good shout.
It takes 48hr to 72hrs to bring test back
We know boxing is corrupt. We know the referee in the fight was favouring Haney. We know that Haney works with Victor Conte. There might be more to this.
So you shouldn't test during fight week? đ
What about all the bets that were won & lost? đź
I agree with Spencer,cheaters never win anything đźđźđź
Itâs because he spoke out
đ couple days ago these lot were talking like Ryan was the man
Spencer on the money as usual. You donât play combat sports. Zero tolerance policy needs to be adopted.
Even Spencer said heâs the face of boxing đđđ
There is also the possibility of a tainted substance, you all seemed to forget about that
If what is said is true guy should be put on trial. Till he is judged by a jury and convicted, he is totally 100% innocent and Hainey has been found out to be mid level.
The biggest problem is proving beyond doubt they knowingly took it. If it was an erroneous ingredient in an off the shelf supplement widely sold on the market then maybe you can give two year bans.
2 year ban of you admit fault. 3 to 4 if you don't. That's how UKAD work anyway
This should be criminal offence !
Spenny should this apply to conor benn,Dillian whyte, tyson fury đ€ đł đ đŹ
A fighters health is more important to me than my bank balance !!
Ben Shalom
Someone said he should join matchroom and he will get off Scott free đđđ
Ben wonât pay for vada testing âŠ. But heâs happy to comment on it and preach all we have to do etc
Talksport definitely locked out now Spencer has crossed the donât speak about furyâs ped usage line
Now that I think about it, Ryan Garcia had far too much energy to play around like he did in the 12th round. Too much energy!! I KNEW he had to be on something.
To his credit, he may not have known. Maybe his dad or his trainer slipped something in his water before the fight. Whatever the case, I think Ryan Garcia will eventually self-destruct.
I have question please and if anyone can shed some light.
If one is betting on a fight & loses money on his chosen fighter because the opponent was found to have cheated, then do the bookie issue a refund?
Think it depends on their policy
Judge was so pro Haney.
What judge lol