When You SHOULD Use Security Codes, Sub-Channels, CTSSS Tones, DPL, DCS & Other "Encryption Codes"
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- In this very short video I explain when you should or should not use Sub-Channels, Security Codes, radio encryption tones, CTSSS, DPL, DCS. I explain what these codes, tones and sub-channels are, I explain if they provide encryption on a GMRS or ham radio - and as an added bonus I explain when you should use subchannels, security codes, etc, and when you must use them.
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Your videos are very informative but your so dead set that you don't waist time and get right to the point that you waist minutes every video telling us how to the point you are kinda funny but definitely not straight to the point
Really? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure that I always get straight to the point.. It's not sarcastic humor or anything like that because then the stupid people would not 'get it' and would leave stupid comments complaining that I don't get straight to the point...and make themselves look like idiots when their comment gets pinned to the top for everyone to laugh at.
"but you're so dead set" not "but your so dead set"
you + are = you're
waste, not waist
@@neosmith80 On a slightly related note: Michael Neºsmith of The Monkees died today at 78
He makes up for it by scripting in unscripted moments- reference 6:40. In the south, we refer to waist time as dinner (dropping 'time' because it's understood), unless it's at night, then it's suppertime (one word including 'time' because it's traditional). There is no direct translation for waist minutes, though it might be deduced as how long dinner or suppertime lasts; there's no official time, but it is inversely proportional to how long it took momma to cook. (Incidentally, one might infer 'waste' minutes, the author's intent, to be elapsed time from end of meal to beginning of... you know, or how long it takes to complete... you know, which is directly proportional to how long it took momma to cook.
Dude really 🤦🏻♂️😂😂
I came for the spurious emissions and stayed for the comments regarding the new Baofang UP-69 with encryption.
Randy, I Have to say the Baofeng UP-69 is remarkable! Especially the new FCC approved encryption for channels 22-30.
Thank you for another outstanding video!
FCC approved encryption, says it all.
i agree...that Baofeng UP69....cant beat it...with all that new encryption/privacy addition.....whew...gonna be tough to beat....
I was hoping you would talk about the new Baofeng UP-69 with the new real encription and expanded GMRS channels. I pre-ordered mine from Alibaba today.
Per Randy's recommendations, I too have gotten the Baofeng UP-69. I've got to say, my favorite feature of the handset is the "rolling encryption" feature, enabled of course only on channels 23-30 per the new FCC guidelines. The BLoS capabilities are, to be honest, bonus compared to that.
Another benefit of using tones on my repeater is it’s allowed me to lower my squelch setting. Proves helpful enabling more distant users access to it.
We have found it necessary to use CTCSS tones when out with my Jeep group. You have people using different radios from different manufacturers, of course, with differing build quality. It’s been found with the newer JL and JTs, and all their fancy electronics, that the Jeeps themselves seem to be emitting something that’s causing some radios to break the squelch, and the user is listening to static all of the time. Noticed especially with the Retevis radios. Once a CTCSS tone is added, this stops. The radio sits quietly, until someone actually keys-up and talks.
This sounds plausible, and you sound sincere so I'll go with it being true. As I have an older Jeep and haven't experienced this and it's now been 11mos since posting, have you been able to isolate what the cause is? TY for any info you can share.
My '17 silverado also emits a ton of frequencies that makes the radios go haywire on a few channels. My '16 jeep JK doesn't interfere at all
People that think they know everything are particularly aggravating to those of us that do.
Keep up the good work and humor.
The "cone of silence" reference in the video thumbnail/preview image was a nice touch, and brought back some really great memories of the show, the technology, and the overall humor with some "so called security". :) _John_
I use tones so my wife doesn’t throw the radio out the car window as we pass a couple kids playing “call ringer.”
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I just got my Baofeng UP-69 in the snail mail late last evening and the FCC came through with my personal encryption / privacy tone for the brand new GMRS channels 23 thru 30. Man, me and my friends in Maine are loving the new channels and tones!
Thank you for your input and most of all for your honesty. It's very easy for people to make the mistake of thinking that radio communications are secure when they really aren't. Gracias por su aporte y sobre todo, por su honestidad. Es muy fácil que las personas cometan el error de pensar que las comunicaciones por radio son seguras cuando en realidad no lo son
My new Baofeng UP-69 has the new privacy feature that the FCC just recently approved. It has LIMITED new GMRS channels 23-30. It's great that they would give us pleabs such cool features.
I love the sarcasm and dry humor.
Just new to the GMRS party, but I must say, my Baofeng UP=69, with the encryt/privacy feature for channels 23-30 is amazing. Now to decide what channel to do private stuff on.
I am enjoying the privacy feature on my new Baoefeng UP-69 and the new GMRS channels that were recently opened up by the
Fcc
??? I was unaware the FCC had recently opened new GMRS channels. Can you please explain?
The FCC approved encryption /privacy for it, love my new Baofeng UP-69
@@Superfandangoo Unless I missed something the FCC does not allow encryption or any digital transmissions on GMRS. They do allow short digital data bursts to transmit GPS data.
@@reggveg
You must not have been the first one on your block to buy a new Baofeng UP-69.
They may be sold out but as soon as Amazon gets more in, get you one. All will make sense then.
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@@WRBriggs Pay no attention to this guy. He either has several CZcams accounts or he has some circle jerk buddies more than likely a sad ham also he's a weisenheimer.
enjoying the privacy feature on my new Baoefeng UP-69
Thank you! The exact answer I was looking for. I discovered this on my own and was wondering why my DCS/CT transmissions could be heard on a radio not setup with the same codes.
I ordered my Baofeng UP69 as soon as they were released and Man do they ever live up to the hype. I keep mine on Chanell 25 which seems to be the most popular in my area.
Great information! On an unrelated note, have you considered doing a review on the frequency hopping with encryption feature that the new Baofeng UP-69 is introducing?
This is much more than other youtube videos ~ This is rapidly becoming the University of Radio Intelligence!
Long live, U.R.I. (and Jeeps)!
Because its RULES, not LAWS. I use the frequencies between the gmrs channels. Because im a rebel. I like to live dangerously. My Baofeng UP-69 supports that new encryption/privacy feature that the FCC just approved for the new GMRS channels 23-30.
And what's even better, I got my new UP-69 to talk to my old UV-5R by setting up the same encryption on it using the new GMRS channels 23-30, since I can enter them by frequency on the UV-5R.
@@stevenemert837 very nice.
What's the point of life if you don't break rules. I use the voice scrambler on my baofeng 888. Giggity giggity
@@jamieb9556
I had to quit using the voice scrambler on my Baofeng 888. When Jeff Lee was on the air, it made him easier to understand.
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@@stevenemert837 Think it was a brilliant move for Baefeng to make the encrypted comms to sound like a chain of kerchunks on ordinary radios. Very smart.
Thank You, Sensei - my understanding is increasing.
I was looking forward to getting the new Baofeng UP-69, but it looks like they are already backordered.
Does anyone know if any of the new channels 23-30 will be set aside for repeaters?
FCC are looking forward to the new Baofeng UP-69 too, they'll know where to listen.
Hey thank you for putting these videos together. You're maybe not the "Elmer" people want but you are certainly the one they need! Your video was short and concise! I could spend way more than 7min digging through my HORRIBLE Baofeng instruction manual and come away with less knowledge.
I'm glad I'm not the only one curious about the new UP-69 from Baofeng. Allegedly it does actual encryption. Looking forward to your very smart and succinct video on it so as not to waste my time.
Love,
Your favorite viewer
Pretty simple. Any radio with CTCSS disabled can hear all transmissions regardless of the CTCSS tones used by other radios on the channel. The radio only filters tones other than the one it's set to receive. When CTCSS is off the radio isn't listening for a tone and therefore de-squelches any transmission, tone or no tone. A lot of FRS operators don't even bother with CTCSS settings, so they can hear pretty much everything within range. The rub with CTCSS, mainly in relation to FRS, is that it can create a traffic jam of interference. Operators using different tones can key up over each other not realizing someone else is keying up at the same time using a different tone (or no tone) because they're on the same channel even though they may not hear each other. A "privacy code" is not a unique channel as it is sometimes marketed. Just because you can squelch other operators doesn't mean they aren't there and you can't interfere with each other's traffic.
I just got my Baofeng UP-69 which supports the NEW FCC personal encryption / privacy tone for the brand new GMRS channels 23 thru 30.
"Don't Use That Tone With Me" Another great video , thanks for the Info
Where I live in Nova Scotia, Canada tones are used for commerical radio licenses to have many companies with the same frequency for simplex operation. In my city at least 6 different companies have licenses for the same frequency, they all have different tones on them. By design they are just out of range of each other and are not mobile so it works.
Great information Randy. Thank you.
There is a common misunderstanding of tone usage. Two GMRS transmissions on the same frequency with different tones can easily interfere with each other to those listening within the common reception area.
Once your squelch is opened by receipt of the proper tone, your receiver will hear everyone in your reception area transmitting on that frequency in your reception zone, no matter what tone they are transmitting with. (In Chicago, where I grew up, we often ended sentences with a preposition!)
So in our area when someone is using the Mt. Wilson 600 repeater and another is simutaneously transmitting on the Mt. Disappointment 600 repeater with its different tone, simultaneous transmissions will be received by those listening to 600.
Of course, being FM: power, distance and the "Capture effect" comes into play in this situation, too!
You and Chris should test this out with your HTs on 700 while your repeater is actively in use, at the same time! :)
I will bet dollars to donuts that your repeater overwhelms Chris' transmission (being so close) even he is transmitting on a different tone and you are receiving on that tone, while your repeater is in use.
I have heard that this will also be the case with the newly announced Baofeng UP-69!
Some HTs do have sub-tones for both transmission and reception, but what was said is still true: it's not so much for privacy, but rather a feature to avoid unintentional interference from others who might happen to be on the same frequency you and your peers are, as well as to avoid interfering into their conversation. It's useful when all parties are civil and just want to avoid nuisance.
But the subtones, DCS/CTSS, are standardized codes. If malicious third-parties wanted to listen to or interfere with your comm, it would be trivial to do so.
Very Nice in the describing the difference in all these tones and other stuff....
I just got the new Baofeng UP-69 with the privacy feature the FCC approved. Works great over chs 23-30. Superb clarity and security. 👍🏼👍🏼🍆💯🙌🏼
I am new to this Channel, I don’t know if he is having Fun, making Sarcasm or paranoia? I couldn’t tell which one and to be honest I don’t care.
But he is informative on his topics, sometimes he’s the only one talking about certain topics for radio-stupid people like me, but I am learning from his videos, and I skip the non so informative parts, so NO COMPLAINTS FROM ME.
Best channel on the interWebs
I am in love with my new radio Baofeng up-69. I am so glad the FCC approved this one of a kind item with channels 23-30.
Can't wait for the new Baofeng UP-69 test, including that new encryption protocol!
Plugging the ears of those sad hams desperately seeking a human connection will be satisfying.
Thank you for this video!
You know randy, I can't have a conversation in which I say, some people, without stopping and repeating......." some .......people" , complete with quotations. The monster that you've created. LoL.
My ocean 935g I love it bit of a learning curve new to gmrs your video comparing it with another radio I used your link and bought it 9:35g it's a good thing
I’m looking forward to the new Baofeng UP69, it has legit encryption.
Have you seen the UV9R ERA? Is that one legit?
You have an amazing talent to explain complicated shit to average people. I appreciate it.
The Baofeng UP-69 is cool. And the new FCC approved encryption for channels 22-30.
I just received my Baofeng UP-69 and was wondering if I could use chirp to add the new GMRS channels 23-30 to it. Thanks, Your favorite viewer.
What are those frequencies? If they are “between channels,” you’ll just hear garbled crap from both adjacent channels, and two other channels will hear yours.
…or do you mean the 8 repeater channels with the +5 mhz split?
Yeah, see my other comment. On the UP-69 you'll have to type in the 256-bit AES keys from the keyboard. A bear, but can be done. Good luck!
Sounds like either snake oil, or unnecessary effort, considering I rarely hear anyone on GMRS anyway.
Our time is very important & we choose to spend that time with you.
Thank you very much. I have never had the occasion to use a tone, and did not realize that all receivers were not rejected. Is there a way to configure your receiver to reject information with a tone set?
Great information
I completely agree, the subject needed to be clarified for some. On the other hand, very surprised by the comments left. They should move on instead of wasting more time writing these kinds of comments if for them you are a waste of time 😂😂😂
You're right, Randy. Privacy tones don't actually provide privacy. That's why I've been experimenting with the encryption features on the new Baofang UP-69. It's not part certified but who cares!? I'm not the only one trying it out; I heard the FCC might even legalize encryption on GMRS to make sure HAM operators can't eavesdrop on GMRS anymore!
You don't need a ham license to eavesdrop on GMRS. All you need is a FM receiver for the GMRS channels.
You haven't been paying attention.
The FCC has already approved the new encryption for the newly approved GMRS channels 23 - 30. We're already using this. Try and catch up.
I got to laugh when the hand wavy thing happens you just look so happy
Nicely done. They can also be used to stop random interference opening the squelch.
73 M7TUD
Love your channel and brand new to gmrs. If you factory reset you kg-uv9g can you get your SHTF stuff back. Feeling bummed
See this page at BetterSafeRadio: bettersaferadio.com/custom-radio-programming-services/
You may have to contact them and let them know what happened.
Howdy, jumping in to say I like that you switched to an RE20 mic from your condenser, hope you do too.
I like it MUCH more.
nice use of the hidden message i recently bought a pair of uv5rs and i would like to say thank you for the videos you make i have learned a lot from them, when I'm not distracted. By all the shiny useless things of modern society
Can you do a video on the new Baofeng UP-69 that supports the new encryption/privacy option that the FCC just approved for GMRS channels 23-30?
I will be doing that video soon! Encryption on GMRS will be awesome!
@@TheNotaRubicon Am I missing something, I cannot see a single reference to a UP-69 on the internetz, not one. Does it have a another name?
@@TheNotaRubicon An there I was wondering how soaked your brain was from all that induced research you were doing? Pretty sure you could work harder and get the review of the UP-69 done 😂
What's the difference between Tone and TSQL (tone squelch)? Some repeaters show TSQL.
Good day to you! I have two questions for you sir:
I was wondering what is the difference between the different codes used, if it's relevant.
What are the effect of using codes on the Tx and or the Rx?
Thanks 👍
I think I got it!
You just need the Tx code to unlock repeaters, so for that the Rx wouldn't be neccesary.
You would need those in both TX and Rx on simplex. Am I on the right track?
So, A and B have a code, that blocks them from hearing others, but others can hear them.
If A and B can't hear anyone else, won't they be interrupting everyone else's conversation, since those others cannot be heard by A and B?
i have a baofeng UP-69 which enables secure comms but only on channel 23
My new Baofeng UP-69 claims to have something called 'rolling encryption' but I don't trust it. Is this the same as tones?
Love your videos! Question. I’m new to the radio world. I’m trying to connect to two local repeaters on my Midland MXT115. The tones listed for the repeaters are DPL numbers. I don’t see anything about these numbers in the manual. Is this radio not compatible with DPL codes? Thanks!
DPL = DCS
@@TheNotaRubicon Got it now! Thanks for the reply!
Nice Christmas tree!
Thank you
The Baofang YP-69 encryption for channels 23-30 will fix all this. Or will it?
Question, if you and your buddy use a different code on a busy channel, the other people on that busy channel still can hear the conversation? Thus interfering with said busy channel and making it more busy for the other people?
Yes, and yes.
You’re awesome brother! Love your channel
My new Baofeng UP-69 supports encryption. 👍
All this WAS true until just now. My brand new BAOFENG UP-69 is purpose built for the NEWLY FCC Allocated GMRS channels 23-30 which support radio Encryption at AES-128 and (for a fee to the FCC) AES-256 encryption for privacy... finally without violating laws or common sense. That AES-256-bit fee btw is $35 payable in $70 installments.
Question:. Big Jeep gathering - 1000 Jeeps. Ten different trails being run at the same time. All are within range of each other. All on GMRS channel 16. Each trail leader picks a different "privacy" code on channel 16. I am guessing that all the simultaneous traffic on 16 (but on ten unique privacy codes) will not play well together. Could you do a video to discuss this ridiculous and intentionally extreme scenario? Love your sarcasm.
I'm no expert nor am I a Sad Ham and I have a question about "tones." I understand that there is no "security" with tones and anyone on a channel can HEAR the communication between two people using tones, but aren't those just a squelch de-activator? So, if one of them is transmitting and someone else keys his radio at the same time, won't that interfere with his transmission, or is that filtered out somehow? Wouldn't they be ahead to switch to another channel?
Outside of GMRS. PL tones are used for filtering out intermodulation products ("intermod") in big cities that would otherwise get in to the input of public safety, business, and amateur repeaters and base stations. That's really its best-case use. I strongly discourage PL/DPL/etc. use on trail rides in the middle of nowhere simply because maybe another group on the same channel has an emergency in progress. If I'm with a big group we'll just find an quiet channel instead of Ch. 16.
Just because you can't hear them, does not mean they can't hear you!
Ok, so I pretty much understand the privacy code thing, except for one thing. If my friend and I are talking on say channel 16, with our "privacy codes" on, and some one nearby, with perhaps a more powerful unit, talks on the same channel, at the same time, will it interfere with our communication, even if we don’t actually hear him?
Yes
can a low tone 1 hear a high tone 2 or the high tone 2 hear the low tone 1?
hello . Thanks for your very useful videos. how can i add a sub channel in gmrs repeaters. So my group just listen each other?
a "sub channel" is just a CTCSS or DCS tone/code added to a channel. So in addition to the TX code on the repeater, add an RX code and put that same RX code on all your radios - you will then only hear other people that are using that same TX code.
Happy Birthday (in heaven) Buck Henry
Can you have 2 different conversations going on , on the same frequency with two different parties if they are using different "privacy tones" ? Thanks
it depends on how close you are, the power of the radios, etc, but everything being equal, two radios transmitting at the same time using different tones will still step on each other/interfere with each other.
@@TheNotaRubicon Makes sense, Thanks
So if its a busy channel and you add a privacy code and people can still hear you, couldn’t you be interrupting others on that busy channel? Just asking because I’m brand new to this and still learning.
Yeeup!
So basically there can be a situation in which there are several groups of my friends and we are using the same frequency but with subtones we can divide this one frequency and not interrupt each group's talk, do I understand it correctly?
You would not _hear_ each other.. But if you're all close to each other you would still interrupt/cause interference because you'd all still be using the same frequency and only one person can talk at at a time...
If you're going to take all the time to setup sub-tones, you might as well just change to a different frequency instead, then have 0 interference from each other.
Love the subliminal stuff…
I think it's important to use tones. I use an angry tone when my friend doesn't bring his own water on a hike, I use a happy tone when my hikes are shaded... 😂
Yes!
467.900 is used by Target in my area. Radio Reference shows they use 205 DPL. Can someone explain to me what that means?
I can hear everything they transmit on my UV5R. But for fun, I set DCS to 205 and I can't hear them anymore. But if I remove the DCS tone, I hear them again.
DPL205 (same as DCS205) is the tone they are using so that they only hear other radios transmitting that same tone.
If you set DPL205 on your radio and then cant hear them anymore, that means they arent using 205, they are using some other tone and Radio Reference is wrong.
With no tone set on your radio you will hear everything they transmit - this is why tones/codes are not "secure"
If you want them to hear you when you transmit, you will have to figure out what tone they are actually using - Look up "UV-5R tone scanning" to learn how to figure out what tone they are actually using.
@@TheNotaRubicon thank you sir. You explained that perfectly. As a newbie, I was told radio reference is the Bible. So I thought that 205 DPL had to be right. I actually watched over 50 of your videos even before buying my UV5R. And I watched the CTCSS/DCS scanning video. It was great that you showed I had to set a random value first, then exit out of it and had to go back in for the scan to work.
You sir are a great value for us newbies. I appreciate all your videos.
PS - I wouldn't transmit on Target's frequency. Just enjoy listening. They were talking about a customer who is abusing the return policy and they wanted the office to write down her name for future reference.
Can't wait for Chirp to support my Baofeng UP-69 so I can more easily program encrypted Repeaters on 23-30!. Baofeng software supporting this IP67 beauty is still in beta and only runs on Windows 95/98, WTH? That forces me to type in my lady's AES code: "7625e224dc0f0ec91ad28c1ee67b1eb96d1a5459533c5c950f44aae1e32f2da3" from the keypad. Timeout is 9 seconds,... what an absolute BEAR, ugh! Digging the new dihydroxy monoxide liquid refillable battery, though, but the o-ring on the fill port look cheap and probably needs a spare.
Hey Bro! Maybe give us the new skinny on the Boa-Chicka-Bao-Funk's new UP-69 model with that new uber privacy goodness! Thanks bro!
does this all apply to digital also?
Probably not.. and/or it may depend on what type/flavor of digital you are using.
I use the tones when we’re traveling so as to minimize receiving other people’s transmissions. I’ve only had my radios for about a year, and I’ve yet to encounter any areas with much chatter at all. I’d guess most folks are just using their cell phones.
You'll find that's the case almost everywhere outside of major cities or off-road events. But the instant the phones go down, your radios will explode. In the event you have a local group who need to coordinate with each other, by having a tone to tune-out the others. In the event you DO have that a situation like that arise, a good idea would be to have at least one person monitoring the channel for those without the tone who might be also in turn calling out for help. That person either an experienced operator or potentially having a second radio (and listener) as the person(s) calling for help may be inexperienced operators and not even know how to ask for help.
I'm sure most here "get it" in the why and how, but many have not thought or lived through earthquakes, hurricanes or other disasters that take-out phones and internet for extended periods of time.
Randy, please ask Zeno, the warrior princess: What the Hello Kitty does all the Baofeng ANI codes, 2 tones & 5 tones do? And how or when would we use them, if ever?
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I think Xenu know more about Zetron toneout codes. Station 51, 10-4, KMG-365.
could you do a video on "digital" radio and what the police use? i have heard that they use "encrypted" communications that no one can listen on. How can I use that for myself with my friends?
They do, and you can't!
Super-easy... you and your friends just have to all become police, fire, or EMS personnel for a jurisdiction that has implemented encrypted radio ops.
I'm a bit late to the party but if you use the Decryption code feature on the latest firmware release for the BaoFeng UP-69, you can understand what Kenny is saying. Its pretty clear.
Thank You, My "Favorite" Sensei... "Ohm"...
Tone taken!
Which is better ?
I would only use them in repeator inputs. It stops static from triggering the repeator or others using a repeator on the same ch far away from triggering your repeator.
FCC stands for effing complete control.
Just switched from a coded channel to a religious fm station.
Explain THAT!
Was hearing Morse, Russian, Spanish and CA chunks.
Warned about coding on gmrs and things went silent until my radio switched to an fm religious station
Hello Sr. First of all good job with your videos. I been searching in yours videos about the function “scrambler” and nothing. I suggest a video about it, if you don’t have already. Thanks for everything that you teach 👍.
Dear Randy, We need a new Jailbreak Hack for new Baofeng UP-69. It's not letting me access channels 23 - 30 and the old hack won't work. I need the ultimate and complete Cone-of-Silence privacy of the new encryption available on those channels. Please Help!
try the rolling encryption.
Everyone is yammering on about the UP-69, but the one I'm looking forward to is the BaoFeng UP-YuRS. The idea that is sends digitally encrypted traffic that can only be interpreted by the target radio without a PSK or handshake is wild.
Tones just filter out conversations you don’t want to hear. But, like you said, there is no such thing as a “privacy code.“