Hey Nick, good to see someone that understands why and how liners float explaining it on youtube. As an owner of an inground pool company for over 35 years we've seen this a lot! A few tips for you, one you were lucky and just pumping the water out didn't leave any wrinkles but oftentimes that's not the case and pushing the liner around with an algae brush or something soft on your vacuum pole can help assist it. I also heard you mention a sump pump in one corner, we've actually done those but one caveat is sometimes when we get heavy rains the power goes out and boom, there goes the liner. Not a problem if it goes back without wrinkles but in some cases you'll get a bunch of material where it doesn't belong. Something you should consider if you have a relief lower than the pool is a passive vent, essentially it's a wall fitting with a mesh screen that goes through the wall behind the liner, when the water rises it allows a path of escape and does't require power. Of course it only works where you can have some pitch to the pipe and an outlet on the side of a hill. Another think we've done if the pool has a solid floor is pump water behind a liner to lift it and remove wrinkles without draining the pool. So many people cause liners to float by pumping off covers in the spring time near the pool or taking water out of the pool before a heavy rain storm, totally the wrong thing to do but it's very hard to explain to the common person how this all works (same as displacement when snow goes on a pool cover, we get about 300 calls every spring for water loss because of that) Have a great day!
Thanks so much for the feedback. The key has been (as you've described), NOT to drain the pool at all in the spring. Haven't had a problem since. I do really like the idea of the passive vent. I am assuming this is similar to what you see on fiber glass pools so they don't pop out of the ground like a boat! I've seen some awfully devastating photos of this sort of situation on the internet!
@@NickOz Yeah, that's KEY but few people understand the concept. I've not only seen fiberglass pools float but even gunite and cement ones totally popped out of the ground! Once that happens the pool is ruined, pipes are all broken, draining a cement pool without opening the reliefs in the bottom can be a 75,000 dollar mistake.
This video saved our summer!! For months we’ve had a floating liner that has continued to worsen. We have a container pool so we knew it wasn’t ground water... but had no idea how to get the water out from behind the liner. One tiny patch and this technique and its good as new!!
Hey you rock. I live in Upsate, NY about an hour from Canada so we have these issues and we got 10 inches of rain in the last 2 days so my liner floated and I had a bubble in my pool. I had one of these pumps because of other issues and it worked great. Thank you so much for posting this! I subscribed to your channel as well. Will check out other projects you have posted. Cheers to Canadian beer!
I would get horrible ground water behind my liner causing 3-5 ft sections to float. Well i suppose i allowed it to get to the horrible state, it didnt just happen over night. Anyways, by accident one day, i over filled the pool. Wasnt overflowing yet but it was over the skimmer; and the ground water disappeared & liner situated back tight like magic.
I save this video for future reference. My pool gets some float around winter (California-no snow but rain). It goes away eventually but it does pop the liner out of the track.
You will need to dig down 4' next to the pool closest to wherever your grade slopes the greatest so the water can be discharged without coming back. If I go a head with this I'll be renting a mini-excavator to dig out a hole about 5' away from my pool's edge. I will also dig out a trench for the drain pipe. There is video on the subject here. czcams.com/video/r980exBfzb0/video.html
Great topic....I am just across the border in Michigan. I've been dealing with this problem for 17 years. I asked the guy that put the pool in, do we need a drainage system? He repeatedly told me no....bone head pool guy. I had a 3' Honda trash pump on the side of my pool every year...sometimes twice a year. it was super annoying un-clipping the liner and then getting hot water to snap the liner back into place. I would reduce the 3" suction on my pump to 1" so that it would fit behind the liner. I would also lubricate the hose or you will not be able to remove it because of all of the pressure from the water. The liner would always snap back into place/no wrinkles (27ml thick liner). I had hundreds, maybe thousands of gallons of water behind my liner. After many years of this problem and many pool guys wanting to rip out all of my landscaping, I found a product on the internet that I believed in (Alameda Pools in Virginia Beach - Drain-Flo system). It is a 4" x 2' stainless steel/resin plastic product with perferated holes in it that installs from the pool side (galvanized pool wall has to be cut/notched) to relieve the pressure. This thin piece fits behind the liner. We are in the process of finishing the project now. We cut some of the concrete and installed a huge outdoor sump pump. Backfilling it with (3) yards of 3/4 inch stone and that should do it. It was the toughest dig of my guys life. All clay, took (2) days and there were utility lines everywhere. I am also replacing the liner (14 years old). I would not pump the water behind the liner back into the pool. Not the cleanest. I documented my problem and I will publish it when done, #wateralwayswins
Hi Anthony, please update us on your progress. I was going to pump the water outside of the pool, but it was crystal clear, so didn't see any harm. I got lucky with the small amount I had to pump out. Great suggestion on lubricating the hose, it was definitely hard to pull it out. It was worse last year and I used a drill pump - took 4 hours. I've also seen people use their pool pump with 2" flex hose to do this job, but it seemed like a pain in the ass to me. I've heard about the drain-flo system. If my issues persist next year I will be digging out a sump pit 4' next to the shallow end of the pool and installing a vertical 12" culvert pipe with a sump pump with a 20' run of drain pipe to the low part of my property. When I built the pool, I back filled with a lot of clear stone due to the high water table, so my hope is that the sump will take care of most of the issues for me.
@@NickOz Besides lubricating the hose, I used 1" spa line (very strong and rigid). I chamfered the end so that it would not have any sharp edges on it and so that the pump would not lose prime. With the strong pump that i was using anything weak and the hose would collapse on its self.
@@NickOz Hey guys, I have the same issue with my pool. I have the 4' pipe with a pump that runs every hour for 1 minute to completely empty it. Problem is, the liner is mushy all around the corners of the pool. I also have a wrinkle that has formed on the ramp going into the deep end. If I put my foot on the wall to floor edge, I am estimating at least 3 inches of play. I am hoping and assuming that if I get all the ground water out from behind the liner, it will hopefully pull the wrinkle. As for removing the liner from the coping, I have concerns of putting it back so I haven't tried it. I was thinking a permanent tube run behind the liner with with an access above the water line. Not the most attractive, but perhaps easiest.
How on earth do you get the liner out of that track. I can see what holds it at my pool steps but looking for something that won’t puncture as I pry it off the track, like a bicycle tire lever or rounded screwdriver etc.
@@sebastiandimartino7600 How far away from the pool is your 4' pipe? How high does the water in the pipe get in relation to the level of the water in the liner? Technically, if you get your ground water level below the level of the liner, hydrostatic pressure should suck the liner back against the sidewalls and the bottom of the pool - It should be nice and tight. If this doesn't work, it might be because the higher water level may have sucked muddy sludge between the sidewalls/pool bottom and the liner which doesn't allow that water to drain properly to the pipe. Maybe try adjusting the pump in your pipe to run more often keeping the water level as low as possible.
I wish i saw your video earlier. We had the pool guys just come in and they said that I just need to fill the pool and the bubble will settle in 2 weeks. I don't know if it will.
Nice job!! I’m surprised they didn’t put a separate drain line when they installed the pool for that water table… Do you have a main drain in pools deep end? … anyway great job! Go RedSox!!
Hey! I actually put the pool in myself. I had a guy in the business helping me with a few things and he said it wasn't needed. I've been keeping the water level high since I made the video and no issues. Believe it or not, they don't typically install deep end drains around here!
I think this video is several years old, but how long are the hoses to go behind the liner? Mine is doing this for the first time and I am going to try this exact same thing. With the hose being short how does it reach the water on the other side of the pool? Thanks!
the hydrostatic pressure is uniform behind the liner all around the pool. It doesn't matter where you put the hose as long as its below the water level thats inside the pool liner. I only has a hose that was about 2' below the edge of the pool.
That's what I had thought to. You're either way it's ultimately a hole full of water with a form of plastic/rubber not doing its intended purpose.. Nonetheless, thanks for answering! I appreciate you!
That's really strange that its happening with an above ground pool. Usually it only happens when the water table in the surrounding ground gets higher than the water in the pool. I don't see any reason you can't stick the pump behind the liner though.
@@NickOz hey so I drained my pool today to clean it bc it has had the same water for a few years. This is happening on the deep end under the diving board its a lot of water under my liner. Its just in the deep end not up top. Well we got it cleaned and ard now filling it back up would this work for mine. It has like a big bubble in the deep end
I bought 2 different pumps, and could not get one drop to go through. What am I doing wrong? I never found 1/12 hp but I tried a 1/3 and a 1/10. In fact the pumps don't even appear to suck.
You need to prime the pump first. pour water down the hose, put your thumb over the end to seal it, turn the pump on and it should start pulling water.
Two words: liquid bleach. I put a jug in the pool when the ice melts. I've no idea if this is the right thing to do, but it works like a charm for me 😀
@Bradley Smith yeah, just gently pry out a small part of the bead from the top. Once it pops out it gets easy. I used strong tape on either side because it started to unbead. May or may not happen to you.
@@NickOz Can you get the liner out of the track with a full pool? I have 3 large bubbles around my pool (always at the water line) from several large rain storms. (3' wide, about about 3" thick.) After heavy rain, these same 3 spots emerge, and have always gone away. But they're bigger this year.
Hey Nick, good to see someone that understands why and how liners float explaining it on youtube. As an owner of an inground pool company for over 35 years we've seen this a lot! A few tips for you, one you were lucky and just pumping the water out didn't leave any wrinkles but oftentimes that's not the case and pushing the liner around with an algae brush or something soft on your vacuum pole can help assist it. I also heard you mention a sump pump in one corner, we've actually done those but one caveat is sometimes when we get heavy rains the power goes out and boom, there goes the liner. Not a problem if it goes back without wrinkles but in some cases you'll get a bunch of material where it doesn't belong. Something you should consider if you have a relief lower than the pool is a passive vent, essentially it's a wall fitting with a mesh screen that goes through the wall behind the liner, when the water rises it allows a path of escape and does't require power. Of course it only works where you can have some pitch to the pipe and an outlet on the side of a hill. Another think we've done if the pool has a solid floor is pump water behind a liner to lift it and remove wrinkles without draining the pool. So many people cause liners to float by pumping off covers in the spring time near the pool or taking water out of the pool before a heavy rain storm, totally the wrong thing to do but it's very hard to explain to the common person how this all works (same as displacement when snow goes on a pool cover, we get about 300 calls every spring for water loss because of that) Have a great day!
Thanks so much for the feedback. The key has been (as you've described), NOT to drain the pool at all in the spring. Haven't had a problem since. I do really like the idea of the passive vent. I am assuming this is similar to what you see on fiber glass pools so they don't pop out of the ground like a boat! I've seen some awfully devastating photos of this sort of situation on the internet!
@@NickOz Yeah, that's KEY but few people understand the concept. I've not only seen fiberglass pools float but even gunite and cement ones totally popped out of the ground! Once that happens the pool is ruined, pipes are all broken, draining a cement pool without opening the reliefs in the bottom can be a 75,000 dollar mistake.
This video saved our summer!! For months we’ve had a floating liner that has continued to worsen. We have a container pool so we knew it wasn’t ground water... but had no idea how to get the water out from behind the liner. One tiny patch and this technique and its good as new!!
Glad it helped you out! Please consider subscribing if you already haven't. :-) Nick
Hey you rock. I live in Upsate, NY about an hour from Canada so we have these issues and we got 10 inches of rain in the last 2 days so my liner floated and I had a bubble in my pool. I had one of these pumps because of other issues and it worked great. Thank you so much for posting this! I subscribed to your channel as well. Will check out other projects you have posted. Cheers to Canadian beer!
Was it a big looking bubble n the deep end? Mine currently looks like this n im desperate to get it fixed back the way it was
Awesome job! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
Great video! You have saved me a couples times with this trick!
Thanks!!!
Perfect solution much appreciated 👌
I would get horrible ground water behind my liner causing 3-5 ft sections to float. Well i suppose i allowed it to get to the horrible state, it didnt just happen over night. Anyways, by accident one day, i over filled the pool. Wasnt overflowing yet but it was over the skimmer; and the ground water disappeared & liner situated back tight like magic.
I save this video for future reference. My pool gets some float around winter (California-no snow but rain). It goes away eventually but it does pop the liner out of the track.
Thanks for watching! No snow here yet....but Winter is coming!!!
Thank you!!! Your advice and instructions were spot on!!!
Thank you Nick! I was able to replicate that and worked for me!
Glad to hear it worked out!
Great video thanks.
Thanks for the video you saved me money stress and my pool hahaha
This technique worked very well for me. Thank you very much to a fellow Canadian. Any suggestions about how to DIY pool sump.
You will need to dig down 4' next to the pool closest to wherever your grade slopes the greatest so the water can be discharged without coming back. If I go a head with this I'll be renting a mini-excavator to dig out a hole about 5' away from my pool's edge. I will also dig out a trench for the drain pipe. There is video on the subject here. czcams.com/video/r980exBfzb0/video.html
Great topic....I am just across the border in Michigan. I've been dealing with this problem for 17 years. I asked the guy that put the pool in, do we need a drainage system? He repeatedly told me no....bone head pool guy. I had a 3' Honda trash pump on the side of my pool every year...sometimes twice a year. it was super annoying un-clipping the liner and then getting hot water to snap the liner back into place. I would reduce the 3" suction on my pump to 1" so that it would fit behind the liner. I would also lubricate the hose or you will not be able to remove it because of all of the pressure from the water. The liner would always snap back into place/no wrinkles (27ml thick liner). I had hundreds, maybe thousands of gallons of water behind my liner. After many years of this problem and many pool guys wanting to rip out all of my landscaping, I found a product on the internet that I believed in (Alameda Pools in Virginia Beach - Drain-Flo system). It is a 4" x 2' stainless steel/resin plastic product with perferated holes in it that installs from the pool side (galvanized pool wall has to be cut/notched) to relieve the pressure. This thin piece fits behind the liner. We are in the process of finishing the project now. We cut some of the concrete and installed a huge outdoor sump pump. Backfilling it with (3) yards of 3/4 inch stone and that should do it. It was the toughest dig of my guys life. All clay, took (2) days and there were utility lines everywhere. I am also replacing the liner (14 years old). I would not pump the water behind the liner back into the pool. Not the cleanest. I documented my problem and I will publish it when done, #wateralwayswins
Hi Anthony, please update us on your progress. I was going to pump the water outside of the pool, but it was crystal clear, so didn't see any harm. I got lucky with the small amount I had to pump out. Great suggestion on lubricating the hose, it was definitely hard to pull it out. It was worse last year and I used a drill pump - took 4 hours. I've also seen people use their pool pump with 2" flex hose to do this job, but it seemed like a pain in the ass to me. I've heard about the drain-flo system. If my issues persist next year I will be digging out a sump pit 4' next to the shallow end of the pool and installing a vertical 12" culvert pipe with a sump pump with a 20' run of drain pipe to the low part of my property. When I built the pool, I back filled with a lot of clear stone due to the high water table, so my hope is that the sump will take care of most of the issues for me.
@@NickOz Besides lubricating the hose, I used 1" spa line (very strong and rigid). I chamfered the end so that it would not have any sharp edges on it and so that the pump would not lose prime. With the strong pump that i was using anything weak and the hose would collapse on its self.
@@NickOz Hey guys, I have the same issue with my pool. I have the 4' pipe with a pump that runs every hour for 1 minute to completely empty it. Problem is, the liner is mushy all around the corners of the pool. I also have a wrinkle that has formed on the ramp going into the deep end. If I put my foot on the wall to floor edge, I am estimating at least 3 inches of play. I am hoping and assuming that if I get all the ground water out from behind the liner, it will hopefully pull the wrinkle. As for removing the liner from the coping, I have concerns of putting it back so I haven't tried it. I was thinking a permanent tube run behind the liner with with an access above the water line. Not the most attractive, but perhaps easiest.
How on earth do you get the liner out of that track. I can see what holds it at my pool steps but looking for something that won’t puncture as I pry it off the track, like a bicycle tire lever or rounded screwdriver etc.
@@sebastiandimartino7600 How far away from the pool is your 4' pipe? How high does the water in the pipe get in relation to the level of the water in the liner? Technically, if you get your ground water level below the level of the liner, hydrostatic pressure should suck the liner back against the sidewalls and the bottom of the pool - It should be nice and tight. If this doesn't work, it might be because the higher water level may have sucked muddy sludge between the sidewalls/pool bottom and the liner which doesn't allow that water to drain properly to the pipe. Maybe try adjusting the pump in your pipe to run more often keeping the water level as low as possible.
TY . This helps.
Can we use red guard and paint the whole pool under pool liner to prevent of water penetration and liner floating, please?
I wish i saw your video earlier. We had the pool guys just come in and they said that I just need to fill the pool and the bubble will settle in 2 weeks. I don't know if it will.
Great video
Thank you!
okay but how do u unclip the liner
dnice video that is exact what i have , and same cover maybe the cover doing that ? did you put the hose all the way down behind the liner ?
Sorry I missed this. No, I just put the hose into about the first 12" of water behind the liner.
Nice job!! I’m surprised they didn’t put a separate drain line when they installed the pool for that water table… Do you have a main drain in pools deep end? … anyway great job! Go RedSox!!
Hey! I actually put the pool in myself. I had a guy in the business helping me with a few things and he said it wasn't needed. I've been keeping the water level high since I made the video and no issues. Believe it or not, they don't typically install deep end drains around here!
Apologies, I cannot find the link for the pump used - can you share it (again if you already have) please?
I think this video is several years old, but how long are the hoses to go behind the liner? Mine is doing this for the first time and I am going to try this exact same thing. With the hose being short how does it reach the water on the other side of the pool? Thanks!
the hydrostatic pressure is uniform behind the liner all around the pool. It doesn't matter where you put the hose as long as its below the water level thats inside the pool liner. I only has a hose that was about 2' below the edge of the pool.
Would this apply to a pond liner as well?
I don’t see any reason why not. Physics is physics. It’s the same principle.
That's what I had thought to. You're either way it's ultimately a hole full of water with a form of plastic/rubber not doing its intended purpose..
Nonetheless, thanks for answering! I appreciate you!
Can I do this with an above ground pool? My pool looks the same and I have no idea what to do.
That's really strange that its happening with an above ground pool. Usually it only happens when the water table in the surrounding ground gets higher than the water in the pool. I don't see any reason you can't stick the pump behind the liner though.
@@NickOz hey so I drained my pool today to clean it bc it has had the same water for a few years. This is happening on the deep end under the diving board its a lot of water under my liner. Its just in the deep end not up top. Well we got it cleaned and ard now filling it back up would this work for mine. It has like a big bubble in the deep end
@Hope Luna it's Because the ground water is pushing up from below the liner. Fill your pool and it should settle.
I bought 2 different pumps, and could not get one drop to go through. What am I doing wrong? I never found 1/12 hp but I tried a 1/3 and a 1/10. In fact the pumps don't even appear to suck.
You need to prime the pump first. pour water down the hose, put your thumb over the end to seal it, turn the pump on and it should start pulling water.
How is your water so clean after the spring? Mine is usually green
Two words: liquid bleach. I put a jug in the pool when the ice melts. I've no idea if this is the right thing to do, but it works like a charm for me 😀
@@NickOz just put it in as soon as the ice melts even though the pump isn’t running yet?
@@MrRahimhosein Yep - I just dumped it in. (Not saying its the right thing to do, but it stops everything from going green for me!)
How do you getthe liner out of the track?
I didn't have the camera rolling for that. I used a body panel removal tool. It's made of plastic with no sharp edges.
@@NickOz ok, thanks. You just kinda pry it out?
@Bradley Smith yeah, just gently pry out a small part of the bead from the top. Once it pops out it gets easy. I used strong tape on either side because it started to unbead. May or may not happen to you.
Ok thanks, so it's not a lift and pull out, its just a straight pull down?
@@NickOz Can you get the liner out of the track with a full pool? I have 3 large bubbles around my pool (always at the water line) from several large rain storms. (3' wide, about about 3" thick.) After heavy rain, these same 3 spots emerge, and have always gone away. But they're bigger this year.
Have a sum pit in the price of the pool deck bid word to the wise
Yep, I agree!
Abooot? 🤔😆