Liked the video a lot. You spoke concisely and made good points. No loud music, profanity or BS. You’ve got a new subscriber. Also like both the Springfield and road king.
Thanks for the kind words. You’ll never hear profanity and loud obnoxious talk or music on my videos. Thanks again for watching and subscribing. Ride safe.
That Indian sounds really good and I’m glad it worked out well for you. The jury is still out for me on the Milwaukee 8, but I’m anxious to see what Harley is gonna do for 2019. Great review. Ride safe...
Thanks for your honest opinion of the Springfield, I myself went to a Indian dealership 2 weeks ago and found it to be a bit to heavy for my personnel taste. However, I was agreeably surprise by the weight and maneuverability of the Victory Cross Country. Although I like the Cross Country some Harley and Indian model, and with respect to other opinion, the Japanese liquid cooled are my favorite. Thanks again for you video and take care.
That was a very good and comprehensive review. I personally think the Indian Springfield is as you say a real looker! My ride is a 2017 Road King and I have been happy with it so far. The two points you made about the Indian Dealer Network and secondly the torque and power on the highway I would agree with and would likely push me toward the RK. I live in Canada and the dealer Network at this time is extremely limited and so much so that it would be a game changer at this date. The seat on the RK is as you say, comfortable for an hour or so and then it's time to stop and stretch. Bottom line I think I agree totally with you're assessment on the Indian and it really comes down to the individual rider. Both great bikes and thanks for the ride!
I went with the Springfield. I liked it better than the Road King. There’s pros and cons to both of them. I’d say suspension and ride to Indian. Far superior. That said both are great options.
I totally agree with you. Either bike is a great choice if this is the style you’re looking for. I like the styling and looks of the Springfield better but for me the Road King handled just a bit better. Let me know how you like the seat after riding it for a while. It really was not comfortable for me after about an hour in the saddle. Thanks for watching and enjoy your new Springfield.
I came back to this one. Enjoyed this video before and a second time. The seat comment is spot on. Good for about an hour or two. An upgraded seat is required for long touring. And the heat issue is real thing but has solutions now with rear cylinder deactivation that didn’t exist earlier. And if anyone wants to, you can always remove the catalytic converter. But you’ve done a great job overall. Fair assessments all around.
Glad you enjoyed it again. The seat and engine heat were my only real complaints about this motorcycle and one is already fixed by Indian and after market seats are plentiful. Overall great bike and I see why you love yours. Ride safe!
You’re welcome. I spent an entire week on the bike, so I had a pretty good idea of its strengths and weaknesses. Of course some things are subjective but thanks anyway. Ride safe.
GA Ramblinman , Yes , I have enjoyed the Springfield . I really like the way the bike looks more than anything else , however looks can only get you so far ! Like I said in an earlier post , I am definitely interested in checking out the new Goldwing . There are some features on that bike that I would really like . Yes , the Springfield seat is only good for maybe 2 hours or less . I haven’t switched seats yet , but I will if I keep it . I hear some riders are upgrading to a Roadmaster touring seat and are really liking it . Also the aftermarket Mustang seat is another choice . I love the way the Springfield looks and it has been a great bike for how I have been riding it . I am thinking about renting a Goldwing for maybe a week and then I should have a good idea of which bike to keep .... maybe I’ll just keep both of them !! Keep the great videos coming .... I always enjoy them !!
Sounds like our views of the Springfield are similar. It is a gorgeous bike and I got a ton of positive comments from strangers everywhere regarding how nice it looked. I love the retro look Indian has. Let me know how you like the Gold Wing. I want to try that motorcycle too. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
I had a great time exploring the roads around Vermont, New Hampshire and New York on that great looking and riding Indian Springfield. Truly a memorable trip. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
I like the Springfield but prefer the responsiveness of my Road King. Agree with the dealer availability, but may have decent access through Polaris now. I appreciate your review and enjoyed riding vicariously this morning!
...as i am in the process of narrowing down my two choices for a 2020 model Indian, the 2019/2020 models came factory on their infotainment system of being able to shut off the rear cylinder in heavy and or stop and go traffic. (Rear Cylinder Deactivation automatically shuts off the rear cylinder when the bike is stopped for enhanced comfort in slow-moving traffic. As soon as you hit the throttle, the rear cylinder seamlessly reactivates for full power. (this is on the 2019 Indian SpringField model)). Thank you for a good review. As i am getting 3 all total (1st a 2020 RoadMaster (for touring, myself)).(2nd, Indian Chieftain Classic (blue & d.t.t., for work (40 miles each way)). (3rd Indian RoadMaster Trike for wife and I (as she cannot ride on a regular bike). With the newer Springfields coming with the rear shutoff on the motor, it will sway many to consider them. Myself, i love the classic looks, but, want some of the modern amenities that come with them, thus the infotainment system. Also, my early morning ride is in the dark, so l.e.d. lighting on country roads are a must. 1 headlight just will not do it for me. Again, thank you for your review. I am hearing that most of the seating on Indians need replacing except for the Roadmaster model, which most reviewers are calling a couch on wheels. Thanks Kindly. Scottishxpride, Texas.
You’re fortunate to be able to get these bikes and I know you’ll be happy with them. The rear cylinder deactivation was needed and I’m glad they have it now. That Springfield model I ride a couple years ago didn’t have it and I was roasting. Definitely need a new seat on the Indians. That Springfield seat was not good after about an hour. I’m sure the Road Master seat is better. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
@@GARamblinMan Mister, that you even took the time to reply amazes me. Yes, my wife and I are getting these three. I have seen the black trike (RoadMaster conversation) on here (youtube), and cannot wait. I'll need a lic. for the state of Texas. Your video, gave me insight into just which bike would be a good starter bike, for me as it has been 40 years since i've been on one. Scared alittle. A street legal bike to travel on, has been my dream since i was a boy. GOD our Father is making that come true. So, by you, i see a way of getting something, using it to increase my knowledge base, to be able to travel safely. Wishing you and your wife the best, and many, many happy journeys...Scottishxpride, Texas.
Good review of the Springfield that matches my test ride opinions. I’ve taken the Chief Vintage out once and the Springfield twice. The Springfield handles better than the Chief Vintage but I found the seat mildly uncomfortable, the tank a bit wide at the knees, and the engine hot without good airflow. I wanted to love it but just couldn’t. I had never ridden a Harley-Davidson at that point so I thought I should compare the RK. I went into the test ride thinking I would hate it for the same reasons as the Springfield but, to my surprise, I loved it. The seat and bars fit me better. The engine wasn’t hot. The exhaust wasn’t as loud (I prefer a quieter bike). And then there’s that aesthetic thing: while all Indians are beautiful bikes, all but the Scout are over styled. I question how they will be viewed in 10 or 20 years. While one can overboard dressing up a HD, from the factory they come styling neutral which ages we’ll. I’m a tad younger than you but similar stage of riding career. Subscribed and catching up on your other videos.
Mike - thanks for the comments and subscribing. Our views are very similar on both the Springfield and Road King. Nice to know it’s not just me with these feelings. I really wanted to love the Springfield and buy one, but after a week it just didn’t ring all my bells. I’m sure plenty of riders love them and they are getting a great bike, but I just like the Road King better. Again, thanks for watching and ride safe
I have a 2016 Springfield. Love it! I thought the stock seat was fine with the use of a back rest. You can find a back rest on Ebay that works with the stock Indian seat for around $80. I have one and it's fine. I also have a Corbin leather seat that I use on it also. I'm over 6" tall and the Corbin gives me a bit more stretch. I find that the stock seat is just fine with the back rest though. The anti-lock brakes on my bike did save my life when a soccer mom backed her SUV right out in front of me. When I first got the bike I thought about trimming an inch or two off the windshield, but didn't. Now I am used to the windshield, and don't even notice the extra length of it. When I bought the bike I had the dealer upgrade to Stage 2, and it's awesome with the Rush exhaust on it. The extra torque and power is very noticeable, but I did it for the awesome exhaust sound. The standard 111 has plenty of power though.
It’s a great bike and I’m not surprised you love it. I wish my bike had ABS brakes. I’ve locked my back wheel a few times and it’s scary. Have fun on it and ride safe!!
KlingonCaptain I’m sure there are some good aftermarket seats out there so that wouldn’t be a deal killer for me and I’m glad they have the rear cylinder cut off now. That will go a long way towards making it bearable in stop and go traffic in the summer. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Myself all the bikes I've owned up to my latest Harley have windshields, for being able to see the pot holes, cracks, road snakes, etc in the roadway giving me a chance before you ride right into them and avoiding what you can avoid , not so with all that fairing up front... Good review .
I prefer the view with a windshield too over a fairing, but I've never owned a motorcycle with a fairing, so I would probably get used to it. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Good, honest opinion on the bike. Frankly, I would not get rid of either a Harley or Indian, but for me, I love the looks of the Springfield over the Road King. You are correct about dealer network in that Harley is everywhere, but Indian is starting branch out. I do think stock seats are terrible for whatever bike you go with so an additional $700 for a Mustang or Corbin would be money well spent and added to the cost of the machine. You are correct in that the rides through upstate New York are among the best in the north east.
The Springfield is a great looking classic style motorcycle. The new models now have the rear cylinder deactivation which probably really helps in hot weather in stop and go traffic. I don’t think you could go wrong with either the Road King or Springfield if that’s the type of bike you want. I just bought a new Harley-Davidson Heritage Classic. It’s a little smaller but I like the comfort and handling on this smaller model. It does have the 114 cubic inch motor which is better than the Road King or Springfield. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
The engine puts out a lot of heat, you're right. I removed the cat, ran true duals and the heat problem was reduced significantly. The engine is flashed for EPA requirements. I live in Colorado, no emissions out where I'm at, and the mods Stage 2 made the engine wake up considerably, plus as I said earlier, way less heat. The seat is currently out and is being redone by Russell Daylong seats. Your spot on with your assessments, try an Indian with stage 2 and true duals, then do another review, I'm certain you'll have a different opinion of the Thunderstroke 111.
Thanks for your on road review of the Indian Springfield and your comparing it to Harley's Road King. Like you, I like them both and have ridden both, and not felt that either one would make a good long distance touring machine for just one reason: the wind buffeting at highway/interstate speeds was so pervasive and noisy that I would be miserable on a long trip. As such, I was amazed at your comments regarding the lack of wind turbulence on your helmet at highway speeds. I'm only 5'7" tall, and I would think that a taller rider like yourself would experience even more turbulence than I, so I'm perplexed as to how your particular bike lacked turbulence. I've heard this same complaint in many CZcams videos on the Springfield and read the same complaints on forums. I'd love to know how to prevent all that turbulence, particularly with the stock windshield. Some say deflector wings mounted to the forks help, but don't eliminate it. Did this rental you rode have deflector wings on it? Thanks again and ride safe!
I read the same comments and was expecting turbulence and buffeting but found none. I put my hand directly in front of my helmet at highway speeds and didn’t feel anything until I moved my hand just above my helmet and felt the wind. I think some people just expect to experience the buffeting and think they do. But I’m not sure. Maybe the windshield was set higher on my Springfield. All I can do is report what I experienced. The bike I rode was completely stock with no fork deflectors. I guess the lesson here is for you to ride it and see how you like it. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Hi Ramblin man Indian has three different sized windshields the smallest one for people under 5ft 7 the next one for people up to 6ft and the tallest one 6ft and up. Myself being 6ft 5 320 lbs will be getting the largest one.@@GARamblinMan
I’ve had 3 Road Kings, and all were great touring machines.There are better bikes with fairings etc., which do much more in terms of mitigating turbulence and buffeting.I see no reason why the Springfield wouldn’t be as good, or maybe even better than the Road King for touring.An instant advantage, is the fact that the Springfield had riding modes, which the RK does not.
GA Ramblin Man... I'd really like to hear your review of the new Yamaha Star Venture TC model. If you can, please do a review of it... Thanks and keep the shiny side up :-))
Can you do a review on the 2020 Indian Springfield Dark Horse I’ve had this bike in mind for a while and I really enjoyed what you have to say about the Springfield
Ride ThePace the video starts with me getting on Interstate 89 going south at Bethel, Vermont. I rode south on I-89 down into Manchester, New Hampshire that day. Thanks for watching and subscribing. Glad you like the videos. Ride safe
GA Ramblinman, I have really enjoyed your posts all along this incredible trip!! And your review of the Springfield is outstanding. I had the pleasure of test riding one last summer and found it to be a well balanced machine. But, I agree with you, the bike generates an enormous amount of heat which at slow speeds is very uncomfortable. Stock seat was a disappointment for me as well. Other than those fairly serious faults, the bike is very nice. Thanks for an outstanding review. Now I have to take the Road King out for a test ride. Ride safe!!
We seem to agree on this - the bike has a lot of great features, but the seat and engine were definite disappointments for me. That being said - it's still a great motorcycle.
Just a commit on the engine heat issue . I have a 2017 Springfield and , for me at least , the engine heat , has not been an issue . I spend a lot of time in the parking lot doing slow speed drills , and even in this riding situation , the engine heat has not been an issue . I know that rear head gets hot and I am not trying to say that you guys are wrong in pointing that out , but for me anyway , I never give it a second thought . Indian does make a leather top cover for the heads , but I don’ feel that I need them . Just my 2 cents worth !
Mike - it was a great motorcycle and I don’t think the engine heat by itself is a deal breaker. What’s your take on the stock seat? I would have to change it for my own comfort. I couldn’t take it after about an hour or hour and a half. Overall - it’s s really a beautiful bike and I’m sure you are happy with it. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
the engine heat from the 111 would be terrible in Ga. GRM I live in north Ga. , and for the seat I have 2 HD and have changed both of them I think its a built in cost to change to stop the pain
I've been wanting to upgrade from my 04 Volusia so this review was helpful. Just a couple of questions, do you think an oil cooler would have helped with the heat? With a heavier bike, how was it using your legs backing into spots? How, do you think, your C50T would have done on this trip? I asked that because I'm also considering a new Suzuki or Kawasaki 900 LT. With the riding I do, that may be all the bike I really need. Have you considered the Indian Scout? Thanks for the review, ride safe.
Alton - I think an oil cooler would help like Harley-Davidson has started doing. Indian just needs to re-engineer a few things to help with the heat on the Thunder Stroke 111. I think my C50T would have done just fine on this trip with the riding we did. I think the C50T or Kawasaki Vulcan 900 or even the Yamaha Star 950 are great bikes for the riding that both of us probably do. And the price will be better and quality just fine. The Indian Springfield is a little harder to maneuver around parking lots and parking spaces, but the seat height is low and the center of gravity is low as well, so not too much of a problem. Obviously the bike is heavier than my C50T or your Volusia, but it was not too bad. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Thank you for the reply and yes it was helpful. I almost pulled the trigger on a 2014 Yamaha 950 Tourer, but again, I can't wrap my head around an air cooled bike. Sitting in traffic here in Houston and watching the light change 3 or 4 times before you get thru it, I can't imagine sitting on a air cooled bike. I would love to own a Harley but I'm so nervous about reliability and maintenance costs. In the 12 years I've owned my Volusia, I can honestly say, other than regular maintenance, I haven't put more than $1,200 into it. Not sure if that could happen with Harley or Indian. I need to think with my head and not my heart. After your reply, I'm leaning towards a C50T, Vulcan 900 LT or perhaps a Yamaha 1300, but whatever one, it'll be liquid cooled. Thanks again and ride safe.
An oil cooler is a option on this bike for 300 bucks or so and with the rear cylinder deactivation on the 19s you should test drive one with a stage two kit you will be pleasantly surprised .I think you will forget about the Road King. Besides everyone has a Harley Indians are special.@@GARamblinMan
Hi Ramblin man hope your doing well I tried both bikes . The Harley Road King is a beautiful bike and the Sprinfield. To me it was no contest and I found the Indian to be the superior bike my opinion of course . The ride was noticeable smoother. I agree the Harley engine seemed stronger but not enough of a difference to sway me being the Indian did everything else better. Also tried the Goldwing it is much lighter and smaller now lighter than the Springfield by 80lbs. Test drove it smoothest bike but besides that I hated it no storage and it felt disconnected in its handling characteristics my opinion. I feel in love with the Sprinfield and to me low speed handling lower center of gravity was better and ride was so much smoother and confidence inspiring on the Highway. The looks of the Indian are so nice that my wife who hates motorcycles even loved it from its head light bezel to its fenders so different from all the Harleys. Everyone needs to test drive as many bikes as possible as even though we have the same bikes we have very different opinions on the Harley and Indian.
I know what you mean a little closer to the weight of our Suzuki .I like yourself do not do a lot of long distance driving though I want to have a bike that I could do that with that has some weight on the highway.@@GARamblinMan
Another great video from you the scenery is fine what I don't understand is why don't they just make them liquid cooled easy fix like you I have no loyalty to any bike I have a budget and that's what I work with
Thanks. It was great to have it for a week and really get a chance to see how it rode and handled. Definitely a nice bike and competes well with the Road King. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
What's the last thing that went through that bug's mind when he hit your windshield? His A55. I've heard more than 10 complaints about the steering wheel, the consensus is it is not very ergonomic for the mechanics of the forearms and hands, and the Road King's bars are a better set up/fit. The Springfield is my favorite, the Chief my 2nd...then the Scout 1100.
I didn’t ride the Road King snd Springfield back to back so I can’t really comment on the difference but both seem to be pretty comfortable for me from what I remember. I haven’t ridden the Chief or Scout yet but they are on my list. Thanks for watching.
just a note...Indian must've heard you...because as of 2019, Chieftain, Chieftain Classic, Roadmaster, and I believe the Springfield as well have rear cylinder deactivation, for stop and go traffic. I've researched the Chieftain Classic (my next bike), and the Roadmaster, and you set up the rear cylinder deactivation in your parameters in the dash infotainment system. Kind of biding my time right now..before I buy the Chieftain Classic..trying to make the final payments on my 2014 Chevy truck (5 left) and it's paid off..($40,000) looking forward to the Chieftain classic
That was a good thing Indian did to address the heat off that motor. I want to try one this summer and see how it works. Thanks for watching and commenting. Good luck with the new Chieftain Classic. Great looks motorcycle.
As a M8 owner and Arizonian I can say the Harley engine doesn't get hot at all. Still lusting over the Springfield though. Honestly I think it's just the color scheme and beige gauge that attracts me.
I really think it’s pretty much a toss up between the Road King and Springfield. I did like the gauges on the Springfield better. Thanks for watching and commenting. I love riding in Arizona.
Hmm the heat for me is a complete non issue in my 2017 Springfield. But I had the optional oil cooler fitted from new and I ride with full gear. Most of the time I can put my hand on top of the rear cylinder rocker cover. But a traffic jam in San Diego in summer at 100 plus degrees will generate real heat. Been there done that. Power is fine for me for touring it has a ton of torque. But I can understand why some people want more. My BMW is much much faster. But the Indian is so nice to ride as it is I wouldn't change it. The handling is good and tight turns once you practice are fine. But the suspension is only adequate on bad roads. However in comparison to my BMW with Telelever suspension all American bikes are poor. But which bike do I ride the most? My Indian and it's no contest. Cheers all ps the standard headlight is rubbish well worth buying the very expensive Indian LED.
I think the engine heat issue is really just a problem when you are in stop and go traffic in the most intense heat of the summer. For the most part it’s not a problem and with the new rear cylinder deactivation system they have now, it’s even less of a concern now. Overall the Springfield is a great bike and I enjoyed my week on it for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
@@GARamblinMan Hi the standard Springfield does not have an oil cooler. I think this is crazy. The early bikes did have one and pretty much all big air cooled bikes made by other manufactures do have one. The difference is significant. Having ridden quite literally around all of North America including Vegas Death Valley and California in summer traffic jams I think an oil cooler is essential. It's also allot kinder on the engine. I wear proper heavy gear always and heat really isn't an issue. The only down side with an oil cooler is the engine takes much longer to reach operating temperature. So I ride gently to start with to give the engine and engine oil time to warm up. Properly. I am now riding in Australia in our summer's including Sydney and the heat is a non issue. Of all the Indians I think the Springfield is the best in this regard because it doesn't have the fairing that impede cooling. Cheers
Rennie Smith I have not yet. I rode the Heritage last year with the 103 and thought it was pretty powerful so I know the 114 has to be a beast. I will post a review as soon as I get a chance to ride one. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Thanks for the great review all throughout your trip. The heat issue would be a problem. Just curious have or will you consider the Suzuki C90T it would be similar but I do realize the engine size is a bit smaller at 1460 cc's. Size and equipment wise it would be very similar, plus the shaft drive and its liquid cooled. The Road King is a very nice bike too. As always stay safe out there.
I have considered the Suzuki C90T, but it does not come with cruise control or ABS brakes. And the front brake is only a single disk, which I don’t think is ideal for that size bike. If Suzuki would make those upgrades, I would definitely consider it especially given the lower price.
I bought a 2009 Suzuki C50 Boulevard and I love it for 4 grand. I was going to buy a Indian but I might keep my little 800cc one I like it even thought it is a smaller bike.
I hold your opinion in high regard since we have the same bike. I was interested in the Indian as it has similar rear travel compared to the Suzuki and mono shock swing arm suspension. The Harley has a lot less suspension travel so I was surprised when you said the Indian is not much smoother. I will have to road test the Harley. Indian has apparently addressed the issue of heat by shutting off the rear cylinders when bike is stopped at a light. Do you think I should keep my Suzuki for 20 thousand less or is it worth spending that money or is the improvement not on par with the money spent?
Indian did a good thing by including the rear cylinder cut off on their new models. That should help with the heat issue. The decision to upgrade from the Suzuki to a Harley Road King or Indian Springfield is a tough choice and one that I am facing too. I’m keeping the Suzuki for now since most of my riding is just day trips. When I retire and maybe start taking longer multi day rides, I’ll probably upgrade for more comfort and cargo capacity. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
Thanks Ramblin man enjoy your videos they are some of the best reviews I have seen. The price of these bikes I recommend people to test drive if possible as people like different ride characteristics. We have so many choices today and they are big investments. Could you do a video on the Road master?@@GARamblinMan
I have a 2018 heritage 114, I love the bike, my biggest complaint is the seats, ive upgraded to the hammock and still after a couple hundred miles there is still rider discomfort, my wife more than I, im thinking of trading in for either the road king or the spring field(researching both, thanks for the review). if I can fibd a solution for the rider comfort area I will keep the heritage (love the bike)….
It does seem like the stock seats are always a problem. I haven’t ridden the 2018 Heritage model, but the 2017 version I did ride had an ok seat, but after a couple of hours it was sort of uncomfortable. The Mustang after market seat I installed on my Suzuki Boulevard is by far the best I’ve had for comfort. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
kevin parsons the stock Indian Springfield seat is not very good. You’ll have to upgrade it with an after market one. The Road King seat seems more comfortable but I only rode it for one day. But that day was much better than the Indian Springfield for comfort.
I never thought about that but it’s a good point. Plus that engine is just huge. Hopefully with the rear cylinder cut off in the newer models it is better. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
I was only on the Road King for a day and I remember the seat being comfortable during that day. The first day I was on the Indian I noticed the seat being uncomfortable after about an hour in the saddle. That being said, seats are easy to swap out and I don’t think any stock seat would be a major point in any purchase decision.
108 ft lbs of torque at the wheel seems quite a bit more than a Harley of the same caliber. Also 15 minutes in stop and go traffic is a very Long day. The heat is definitely not unusual and you should have cylinder deactivation on that model.
Bought a Road King 2018..... I will say, YOU NEED TO OWN IT .. your opinion will change. There is a reason that dealer network is large. You’ll need it JMHO
All Harley’s have a clunky transmission but that feature is just one of those things that make them a Harley. They have reduced the shaking with the M8 motors. I actually thought the Road King rode pretty well and was better than the Street Glides and Road Glides due to the longer travel on the rear shocks. But ride quality is highly subjective. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Wow, Ramblin' Man - I am so disappointed! You'd take the Harley, huh? And here I just about talked myself into an Indian - which I think is the far nicer-looking bike. The seat: I totally understand. Like you, I ride an 800cc Suzuki Boulevard, but unlike you I haven't yet changed the seat out for a Mustang seat. I, too, get lower back pains after about an hour in the saddle. I am so disappointed to hear that you encountered this with the Indian. And the heat from the engine is a big deal, too. Perhaps not a deal-breaker, but a big deal. Was the Harley really less hot? A real determinant, as you state, is the dealer network. Break down in a Harley and you can find dealers all over. Not so with an Indian. And I understand Harley dealerships refuse to work on Indians. BTW: Test rode a 2018 Harley Road King in Maryland on Friday. I liked it a lot! That Milwaukee 8 engine is noticeably smoother than the previous 103, especially at idle at stop signs. Comparing ride characteristics, I found the Indian to be a bit more nimble than the Harley at speed. The Harley, however, felt more stable, solid and planted. I suppose I'd favor the Harley in this respect. Great series of videos... good job!
I like the styling of both. There are good and not so good things about both. I just think the Road King handles better and had the better motor by just a little bit. I think the thing that would sway me is the network of HD dealers is just so more extensive than Indian. But that all being said, if an Indian dealer could make me a better offer on price and a few accessories I would definitely consider it. One thing I would recommend is to get one as a rental or loaner for a couple of days to really get a feel for it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I don’t think the model I rode last year had the different ride modes. Thats a 2019 feature I’m pretty sure. The bike really does have plenty of power. I was just expecting a little more from that Thunder Stroke 111. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
So could mine (2008 M50)! Changing out the spark plugs made a big difference in the bike's top end, but doing 70-75 mph in a Boulevard, one definitely notices the want of a 6th gear!
The 2018 Thunderstroke 111 is much hotter than the newer engines with the rear cylinder deactivation. That was a great upgrade. Unfortunately air cooled engines are just hot while idling in the summer.
I’ve never owned a Harley or an Indian. Just my opinion from riding them both. They are both great motors and any differences are pretty minor. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
the heat is manageable very easily. Place your right foot on the foot rest and that way keep your leg away from the right side of the bike. Also, what kind of riding gear are you wearing? I think your review is a bit un-calibrated and uninformed. All the bikes you mention, have there own serious flaws.
The views I offered were just my honest feelings and thoughts on the motorcycle after riding it for an entire week, so I think it was a relatively informed review. I was wearing Kevlar lined Sliders brand khaki riding pants with motorcycle boots so the gear was normal. I realize the perfect bike doesn’t exist and would never do a review where I would say anything of the sort. I thought I was pretty straightforward about saying the motorcycle was an overall good ride and beautiful machine but with just a few things I thought I should mention because if they were issues for me, they would probably be for someone else too. No one motorcycle is a perfect fit for everybody and it’s great we have so many choices. Thanks for watching and commenting and ride safe.
GA Ramblin Man i guess I should have been more accurate with my words. After 50 years of riding, wrenching and racing.... they all have many faults. Those faults show up soon or show up later. ( i realize you said this in so many words) . I find it is more helpful to look for the positive attributes.
The positive traits of the Indian Springfield are its drop dead gorgeous looks, great handling, lockable bags and big clear display. All great attributes of the bike. Thanks for watching and your comments.
I don’t think it’s a Harley-Davidson commercial. Just my honest thoughts on the Springfield in comparison to a Road King. It’s like I said, both are great motorcycles. By the way, I’ve never owned a Harley. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
This ride was more about my comments on the Indian Springfield after a week on it rather than the scenery and road. This was the last leg of my trip that week and it was an interstate highway and those typically aren’t the best motorcycle roads. There are some videos posted from my other rides that week that are a little more scenic. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Liked the video a lot. You spoke concisely and made good points. No loud music, profanity or BS. You’ve got a new subscriber.
Also like both the Springfield and road king.
Thanks for the kind words. You’ll never hear profanity and loud obnoxious talk or music on my videos. Thanks again for watching and subscribing. Ride safe.
That Indian sounds really good and I’m glad it worked out well for you. The jury is still out for me on the Milwaukee 8, but I’m anxious to see what Harley is gonna do for 2019. Great review. Ride safe...
The 114 M8 pulls nicer than the 107. Other than that and the upgraded GPS (which is big upgrade), no major change thatI see.
Indian isn't a beautiful motorcycle. It's the most beautiful motorcycle.
Can’t disagree with that. Classic styling. Thanks for watching.
Great video. Thanks for the review on the Springfield. I am looking at getting one, and its good to see an honest review from a non biased reviewer.
Thanks. It’s a great motorcycle. Thanks for watching. Ride safe.
Thanks for your honest opinion of the Springfield, I myself went to a Indian dealership 2 weeks ago and found it to be a bit to heavy for my personnel taste. However, I was agreeably surprise by the weight and maneuverability of the Victory Cross Country. Although I like the Cross Country some Harley and Indian model, and with respect to other opinion, the Japanese liquid cooled are my favorite. Thanks again for you video and take care.
That was a very good and comprehensive review. I personally think the Indian Springfield is as you say a real looker! My ride is a 2017 Road King and I have been happy with it so far. The two points you made about the Indian Dealer Network and secondly the torque and power on the highway I would agree with and would likely push me toward the RK. I live in Canada and the dealer Network at this time is extremely limited and so much so that it would be a game changer at this date. The seat on the RK is as you say, comfortable for an hour or so and then it's time to stop and stretch. Bottom line I think I agree totally with you're assessment on the Indian and it really comes down to the individual rider. Both great bikes and thanks for the ride!
Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe on that great Road King!
I went with the Springfield. I liked it better than the Road King. There’s pros and cons to both of them. I’d say suspension and ride to Indian. Far superior. That said both are great options.
I totally agree with you. Either bike is a great choice if this is the style you’re looking for. I like the styling and looks of the Springfield better but for me the Road King handled just a bit better. Let me know how you like the seat after riding it for a while. It really was not comfortable for me after about an hour in the saddle. Thanks for watching and enjoy your new Springfield.
I came back to this one. Enjoyed this video before and a second time. The seat comment is spot on. Good for about an hour or two. An upgraded seat is required for long touring. And the heat issue is real thing but has solutions now with rear cylinder deactivation that didn’t exist earlier. And if anyone wants to, you can always remove the catalytic converter. But you’ve done a great job overall. Fair assessments all around.
Glad you enjoyed it again. The seat and engine heat were my only real complaints about this motorcycle and one is already fixed by Indian and after market seats are plentiful. Overall great bike and I see why you love yours. Ride safe!
This is by far the best information , thank you very much
You’re welcome. I spent an entire week on the bike, so I had a pretty good idea of its strengths and weaknesses. Of course some things are subjective but thanks anyway. Ride safe.
GA Ramblinman , Yes , I have enjoyed the Springfield . I really like the way the bike looks more than anything else , however looks can only get you so far ! Like I said in an earlier post , I am definitely interested in checking out the new Goldwing . There are some features on that bike that I would really like . Yes , the Springfield seat is only good for maybe 2 hours or less . I haven’t switched seats yet , but I will if I keep it . I hear some riders are upgrading to a Roadmaster touring seat and are really liking it . Also the aftermarket Mustang seat is another choice .
I love the way the Springfield looks and it has been a great bike for how I have been riding it . I am thinking about renting a Goldwing for maybe a week and then I should have a good idea of which bike to keep .... maybe I’ll just keep both of them !! Keep the great videos coming .... I always enjoy them !!
Sounds like our views of the Springfield are similar. It is a gorgeous bike and I got a ton of positive comments from strangers everywhere regarding how nice it looked. I love the retro look Indian has. Let me know how you like the Gold Wing. I want to try that motorcycle too. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Great bike and good VLog. Too many great roads in Vermont that I enjoyed while living there.
I had a great time exploring the roads around Vermont, New Hampshire and New York on that great looking and riding Indian Springfield. Truly a memorable trip. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
Great video and enjoyed your honest comments. Ride safe.
I like the Springfield but prefer the responsiveness of my Road King. Agree with the dealer availability, but may have decent access through Polaris now. I appreciate your review and enjoyed riding vicariously this morning!
I prefer the Road King, too. Thanks for watching and ride safe
...as i am in the process of narrowing down my two choices for a 2020 model Indian, the 2019/2020 models came factory on their infotainment system of being able to shut off the rear cylinder in heavy and or stop and go traffic. (Rear Cylinder Deactivation automatically shuts off the rear cylinder when the bike is stopped for enhanced comfort in slow-moving traffic. As soon as you hit the throttle, the rear cylinder seamlessly reactivates for full power. (this is on the 2019 Indian SpringField model)). Thank you for a good review. As i am getting 3 all total (1st a 2020 RoadMaster (for touring, myself)).(2nd, Indian Chieftain Classic (blue & d.t.t., for work (40 miles each way)). (3rd Indian RoadMaster Trike for wife and I (as she cannot ride on a regular bike). With the newer Springfields coming with the rear shutoff on the motor, it will sway many to consider them. Myself, i love the classic looks, but, want some of the modern amenities that come with them, thus the infotainment system. Also, my early morning ride is in the dark, so l.e.d. lighting on country roads are a must. 1 headlight just will not do it for me. Again, thank you for your review. I am hearing that most of the seating on Indians need replacing except for the Roadmaster model, which most reviewers are calling a couch on wheels. Thanks Kindly. Scottishxpride, Texas.
You’re fortunate to be able to get these bikes and I know you’ll be happy with them. The rear cylinder deactivation was needed and I’m glad they have it now. That Springfield model I ride a couple years ago didn’t have it and I was roasting. Definitely need a new seat on the Indians. That Springfield seat was not good after about an hour. I’m sure the Road Master seat is better. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
@@GARamblinMan Mister, that you even took the time to reply amazes me. Yes, my wife and I are getting these three. I have seen the black trike (RoadMaster conversation) on here (youtube), and cannot wait. I'll need a lic. for the state of Texas. Your video, gave me insight into just which bike would be a good starter bike, for me as it has been 40 years since i've been on one. Scared alittle. A street legal bike to travel on, has been my dream since i was a boy. GOD our Father is making that come true. So, by you, i see a way of getting something, using it to increase my knowledge base, to be able to travel safely. Wishing you and your wife the best, and many, many happy journeys...Scottishxpride, Texas.
Nice review bud. But as I've been told by experts on my vids... there is no heat. Yup... Glad to see it's not just me
It’s not just you. Hope you and NC Stoney had a great ride this past week. Sorry I missed you. I look forward to some great videos.
Your statement made @ 16:06 on brand loyalty to brand.... I'll have to say I agree with you 100%!
Good review of the Springfield that matches my test ride opinions. I’ve taken the Chief Vintage out once and the Springfield twice. The Springfield handles better than the Chief Vintage but I found the seat mildly uncomfortable, the tank a bit wide at the knees, and the engine hot without good airflow. I wanted to love it but just couldn’t. I had never ridden a Harley-Davidson at that point so I thought I should compare the RK. I went into the test ride thinking I would hate it for the same reasons as the Springfield but, to my surprise, I loved it. The seat and bars fit me better. The engine wasn’t hot. The exhaust wasn’t as loud (I prefer a quieter bike).
And then there’s that aesthetic thing: while all Indians are beautiful bikes, all but the Scout are over styled. I question how they will be viewed in 10 or 20 years. While one can overboard dressing up a HD, from the factory they come styling neutral which ages we’ll.
I’m a tad younger than you but similar stage of riding career. Subscribed and catching up on your other videos.
Mike - thanks for the comments and subscribing. Our views are very similar on both the Springfield and Road King. Nice to know it’s not just me with these feelings. I really wanted to love the Springfield and buy one, but after a week it just didn’t ring all my bells. I’m sure plenty of riders love them and they are getting a great bike, but I just like the Road King better. Again, thanks for watching and ride safe
I have a 2016 Springfield. Love it! I thought the stock seat was fine with the use of a back rest. You can find a back rest on Ebay that works with the stock Indian seat for around $80. I have one and it's fine. I also have a Corbin leather seat that I use on it also. I'm over 6" tall and the Corbin gives me a bit more stretch. I find that the stock seat is just fine with the back rest though. The anti-lock brakes on my bike did save my life when a soccer mom backed her SUV right out in front of me. When I first got the bike I thought about trimming an inch or two off the windshield, but didn't. Now I am used to the windshield, and don't even notice the extra length of it. When I bought the bike I had the dealer upgrade to Stage 2, and it's awesome with the Rush exhaust on it. The extra torque and power is very noticeable, but I did it for the awesome exhaust sound. The standard 111 has plenty of power though.
It’s a great bike and I’m not surprised you love it. I wish my bike had ABS brakes. I’ve locked my back wheel a few times and it’s scary. Have fun on it and ride safe!!
Indian now has the rear automatic cylinder shut-off on all their Chief series bikes.
Great video! I really enjoyed the review.
Thanks for watching!
I've heard that Corbin's seats for Indian bikes are sublime. Also, the 2019 111 has the rear cylinder cutoff now.
KlingonCaptain I’m sure there are some good aftermarket seats out there so that wouldn’t be a deal killer for me and I’m glad they have the rear cylinder cut off now. That will go a long way towards making it bearable in stop and go traffic in the summer. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Myself all the bikes I've owned up to my latest Harley have windshields, for being able to see the pot holes, cracks, road snakes, etc in the roadway giving me a chance before you ride right into them and avoiding what you can avoid , not so with all that fairing up front... Good review .
I prefer the view with a windshield too over a fairing, but I've never owned a motorcycle with a fairing, so I would probably get used to it. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
That’s the only thing I don’t like about not having a fairing - my hands are out in the wind and in the winter they get really cold.
Good, honest opinion on the bike. Frankly, I would not get rid of either a Harley or Indian, but for me, I love the looks of the Springfield over the Road King. You are correct about dealer network in that Harley is everywhere, but Indian is starting branch out. I do think stock seats are terrible for whatever bike you go with so an additional $700 for a Mustang or Corbin would be money well spent and added to the cost of the machine. You are correct in that the rides through upstate New York are among the best in the north east.
The Springfield is a great looking classic style motorcycle. The new models now have the rear cylinder deactivation which probably really helps in hot weather in stop and go traffic. I don’t think you could go wrong with either the Road King or Springfield if that’s the type of bike you want. I just bought a new Harley-Davidson Heritage Classic. It’s a little smaller but I like the comfort and handling on this smaller model. It does have the 114 cubic inch motor which is better than the Road King or Springfield. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
Very good review and in that refreshing, too.
It was a very nice bike to ride for the week. Just wish the stock seat had been a little better. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
The engine puts out a lot of heat, you're right. I removed the cat, ran true duals and the heat problem was reduced significantly. The engine is flashed for EPA requirements. I live in Colorado, no emissions out where I'm at, and the mods Stage 2 made the engine wake up considerably, plus as I said earlier, way less heat. The seat is currently out and is being redone by Russell Daylong seats. Your spot on with your assessments, try an Indian with stage 2 and true duals, then do another review, I'm certain you'll have a different opinion of the Thunderstroke 111.
I agree with every thing every one has said so far. Since I work for HD, I still prefer the SF.
Truly beautiful machine
Yes it was.
What was the degree of said hill and at what speed were you in and what gear? At highway speeds 6th gear should pull any hill.
Thanks for your on road review of the Indian Springfield and your comparing it to Harley's Road King. Like you, I like them both and have ridden both, and not felt that either one would make a good long distance touring machine for just one reason: the wind buffeting at highway/interstate speeds was so pervasive and noisy that I would be miserable on a long trip. As such, I was amazed at your comments regarding the lack of wind turbulence on your helmet at highway speeds. I'm only 5'7" tall, and I would think that a taller rider like yourself would experience even more turbulence than I, so I'm perplexed as to how your particular bike lacked turbulence. I've heard this same complaint in many CZcams videos on the Springfield and read the same complaints on forums. I'd love to know how to prevent all that turbulence, particularly with the stock windshield. Some say deflector wings mounted to the forks help, but don't eliminate it. Did this rental you rode have deflector wings on it? Thanks again and ride safe!
I read the same comments and was expecting turbulence and buffeting but found none. I put my hand directly in front of my helmet at highway speeds and didn’t feel anything until I moved my hand just above my helmet and felt the wind. I think some people just expect to experience the buffeting and think they do. But I’m not sure. Maybe the windshield was set higher on my Springfield. All I can do is report what I experienced. The bike I rode was completely stock with no fork deflectors. I guess the lesson here is for you to ride it and see how you like it. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Hi Ramblin man Indian has three different sized windshields the smallest one for people under 5ft 7 the next one for people up to 6ft and the tallest one 6ft and up. Myself being 6ft 5 320 lbs will be getting the largest one.@@GARamblinMan
The windshields come in various sizes. He may have been using the 21" instead of the 16" or 14".
I’ve had 3 Road Kings, and all were great touring machines.There are better bikes with fairings etc., which do much more in terms of mitigating turbulence and buffeting.I see no reason why the Springfield wouldn’t be as good, or maybe even better than the Road King for touring.An instant advantage, is the fact that the Springfield had riding modes, which the RK does not.
I haven’t ridden one yet, but it fit me like a glove when I sat on it.👍
Try one out. I predict you will love it. I just saw a new 2021 model in the Crimson and Maroon color scheme. What a gorgeous bike.
@@GARamblinMan
Love that color combo too👍👍
Great review! You definately got to spend some quality saddle time on the trip.
It was good to spend a week on the bike to really get a feel for it. It’s a great motorcycle and was fun to ride.
Just an update for ya the 2019 111 engines from Indian will come with rear cylinder deactivation as standard.
Good first step.
And 2019 comes with a selectable...Standard, touring, sport riding mode!
Don Kramer that is really cool. Similar to the new Goldwings from Honda.
GA Ramblin Man... I'd really like to hear your review of the new Yamaha Star Venture TC model. If you can, please do a review of it... Thanks and keep the shiny side up :-))
If I get a chance to ride one soon, I’ll definitely do a review. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Can you do a review on the 2020 Indian Springfield Dark Horse I’ve had this bike in mind for a while and I really enjoyed what you have to say about the Springfield
I’ll ride one as soon as the local Indian dealer where I live has a demo day. I look forward to it and thanks for watching and the request.
GA Ramblin Man, what road was that you were on, if you don't mind? I just subscribed, can't believe I haven't done it already, like your vids.
Ride ThePace the video starts with me getting on Interstate 89 going south at Bethel, Vermont. I rode south on I-89 down into Manchester, New Hampshire that day. Thanks for watching and subscribing. Glad you like the videos. Ride safe
Appreciate the review. Quite helpful.
I enjoyed riding the Springfield for the week and glad you found my comments helpful. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Did you add an oil cooler?
GA Ramblinman, I have really enjoyed your posts all along this incredible trip!! And your review of the Springfield is outstanding. I had the pleasure of test riding one last summer and found it to be a well balanced machine. But, I agree with you, the bike generates an enormous amount of heat which at slow speeds is very uncomfortable. Stock seat was a disappointment for me as well. Other than those fairly serious faults, the bike is very nice. Thanks for an outstanding review. Now I have to take the Road King out for a test ride. Ride safe!!
We seem to agree on this - the bike has a lot of great features, but the seat and engine were definite disappointments for me. That being said - it's still a great motorcycle.
Just a commit on the engine heat issue . I have a 2017 Springfield and , for me at least , the engine heat , has not been an issue . I spend a lot of time in the parking lot doing slow speed drills , and even in this riding situation , the engine heat has not been an issue . I know that rear head gets hot and I am not trying to say that you guys are wrong in pointing that out , but for me anyway , I never give it a second thought . Indian does make a leather top cover for the heads , but I don’ feel that I need them . Just my 2 cents worth !
Mike - it was a great motorcycle and I don’t think the engine heat by itself is a deal breaker. What’s your take on the stock seat? I would have to change it for my own comfort. I couldn’t take it after about an hour or hour and a half. Overall - it’s s really a beautiful bike and I’m sure you are happy with it. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
the engine heat from the 111 would be terrible in Ga. GRM I live in north Ga. , and for the seat I have 2 HD and have changed both of them I think its a built in cost to change to stop the pain
I think it would be too much heat here in the summer.
I've been wanting to upgrade from my 04 Volusia so this review was helpful. Just a couple of questions, do you think an oil cooler would have helped with the heat? With a heavier bike, how was it using your legs backing into spots? How, do you think, your C50T would have done on this trip? I asked that because I'm also considering a new Suzuki or Kawasaki 900 LT. With the riding I do, that may be all the bike I really need.
Have you considered the Indian Scout?
Thanks for the review, ride safe.
Alton - I think an oil cooler would help like Harley-Davidson has started doing. Indian just needs to re-engineer a few things to help with the heat on the Thunder Stroke 111. I think my C50T would have done just fine on this trip with the riding we did. I think the C50T or Kawasaki Vulcan 900 or even the Yamaha Star 950 are great bikes for the riding that both of us probably do. And the price will be better and quality just fine. The Indian Springfield is a little harder to maneuver around parking lots and parking spaces, but the seat height is low and the center of gravity is low as well, so not too much of a problem. Obviously the bike is heavier than my C50T or your Volusia, but it was not too bad. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Thank you for the reply and yes it was helpful. I almost pulled the trigger on a 2014 Yamaha 950 Tourer, but again, I can't wrap my head around an air cooled bike. Sitting in traffic here in Houston and watching the light change 3 or 4 times before you get thru it, I can't imagine sitting on a air cooled bike. I would love to own a Harley but I'm so nervous about reliability and maintenance costs. In the 12 years I've owned my Volusia, I can honestly say, other than regular maintenance, I haven't put more than $1,200 into it. Not sure if that could happen with Harley or Indian. I need to think with my head and not my heart. After your reply, I'm leaning towards a C50T, Vulcan 900 LT or perhaps a Yamaha 1300, but whatever one, it'll be liquid cooled.
Thanks again and ride safe.
Alton Gage I think for Houston, TX or Atlanta, GA, water cooled engines are probably a good idea.
An oil cooler is a option on this bike for 300 bucks or so and with the rear cylinder deactivation on the 19s you should test drive one with a stage two kit you will be pleasantly surprised .I think you will forget about the Road King. Besides everyone has a Harley Indians are special.@@GARamblinMan
Hi Ramblin man hope your doing well I tried both bikes . The Harley Road King is a beautiful bike and the Sprinfield. To me it was no contest and I found the Indian to be the superior bike my opinion of course . The ride was noticeable smoother. I agree the Harley engine seemed stronger but not enough of a difference to sway me being the Indian did everything else better. Also tried the Goldwing it is much lighter and smaller now lighter than the Springfield by 80lbs. Test drove it smoothest bike but besides that I hated it no storage and it felt disconnected in its handling characteristics my opinion.
I feel in love with the Sprinfield and to me low speed handling lower center of gravity was better and ride was so much smoother and confidence inspiring on the Highway. The looks of the Indian are so nice that my wife who hates motorcycles even loved it from its head light bezel to its fenders so different from all the Harleys. Everyone needs to test drive as many bikes as possible as even though we have the same bikes we have very different opinions on the Harley and Indian.
I definitely want to test ride the new Goldwings. I’m more inclined to the Heritage, Road King and Springfield type bike’s though.
I know what you mean a little closer to the weight of our Suzuki .I like yourself do not do a lot of long distance driving though I want to have a bike that I could do that with that has some weight on the highway.@@GARamblinMan
Another great video from you the scenery is fine what I don't understand is why don't they just make them liquid cooled easy fix like you I have no loyalty to any bike I have a budget and that's what I work with
I do wonder why they stick with the air cooled engines
Great review
Thanks. It was great to have it for a week and really get a chance to see how it rode and handled. Definitely a nice bike and competes well with the Road King. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
What's the last thing that went through that bug's mind when he hit your windshield? His A55. I've heard more than 10 complaints about the steering wheel, the consensus is it is not very ergonomic for the mechanics of the forearms and hands, and the Road King's bars are a better set up/fit. The Springfield is my favorite, the Chief my 2nd...then the Scout 1100.
I didn’t ride the Road King snd Springfield back to back so I can’t really comment on the difference but both seem to be pretty comfortable for me from what I remember. I haven’t ridden the Chief or Scout yet but they are on my list. Thanks for watching.
just a note...Indian must've heard you...because as of 2019, Chieftain, Chieftain Classic, Roadmaster, and I believe the Springfield as well have rear cylinder deactivation, for stop and go traffic. I've researched the Chieftain Classic (my next bike), and the Roadmaster, and you set up the rear cylinder deactivation in your parameters in the dash infotainment system. Kind of biding my time right now..before I buy the Chieftain Classic..trying to make the final payments on my 2014 Chevy truck (5 left) and it's paid off..($40,000) looking forward to the Chieftain classic
That was a good thing Indian did to address the heat off that motor. I want to try one this summer and see how it works. Thanks for watching and commenting. Good luck with the new Chieftain Classic. Great looks motorcycle.
As a M8 owner and Arizonian I can say the Harley engine doesn't get hot at all. Still lusting over the Springfield though. Honestly I think it's just the color scheme and beige gauge that attracts me.
I really think it’s pretty much a toss up between the Road King and Springfield. I did like the gauges on the Springfield better. Thanks for watching and commenting. I love riding in Arizona.
Great vid, thanx.
Thanks for the nice comment and watching. It’s a really good motorcycle and I enjoyed my week on it. They just need to get a better seat!
The 111 is perfect with stage 2 cams and freedom exhausts! That will blow Barley away!!
I’m sure that sounds awesome! Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Hmm the heat for me is a complete non issue in my 2017 Springfield. But I had the optional oil cooler fitted from new and I ride with full gear. Most of the time I can put my hand on top of the rear cylinder rocker cover. But a traffic jam in San Diego in summer at 100 plus degrees will generate real heat. Been there done that. Power is fine for me for touring it has a ton of torque. But I can understand why some people want more. My BMW is much much faster. But the Indian is so nice to ride as it is I wouldn't change it. The handling is good and tight turns once you practice are fine. But the suspension is only adequate on bad roads. However in comparison to my BMW with Telelever suspension all American bikes are poor. But which bike do I ride the most? My Indian and it's no contest. Cheers all ps the standard headlight is rubbish well worth buying the very expensive Indian LED.
I think the engine heat issue is really just a problem when you are in stop and go traffic in the most intense heat of the summer. For the most part it’s not a problem and with the new rear cylinder deactivation system they have now, it’s even less of a concern now. Overall the Springfield is a great bike and I enjoyed my week on it for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
@@GARamblinMan Hi the standard Springfield does not have an oil cooler. I think this is crazy. The early bikes did have one and pretty much all big air cooled bikes made by other manufactures do have one. The difference is significant. Having ridden quite literally around all of North America including Vegas Death Valley and California in summer traffic jams I think an oil cooler is essential. It's also allot kinder on the engine. I wear proper heavy gear always and heat really isn't an issue. The only down side with an oil cooler is the engine takes much longer to reach operating temperature. So I ride gently to start with to give the engine and engine oil time to warm up. Properly. I am now riding in Australia in our summer's including Sydney and the heat is a non issue. Of all the Indians I think the Springfield is the best in this regard because it doesn't have the fairing that impede cooling. Cheers
Have you rde the 2018 Heritage with the 114? All I can say is Wow! It has me considering trading my street glide in on one!
Rennie Smith I have not yet. I rode the Heritage last year with the 103 and thought it was pretty powerful so I know the 114 has to be a beast. I will post a review as soon as I get a chance to ride one. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Thanks for the great review all throughout your trip. The heat issue would be a problem. Just curious have or will you consider the Suzuki C90T it would be similar but I do realize the engine size is a bit smaller at 1460 cc's. Size and equipment wise it would be very similar, plus the shaft drive and its liquid cooled. The Road King is a very nice bike too. As always stay safe out there.
I have considered the Suzuki C90T, but it does not come with cruise control or ABS brakes. And the front brake is only a single disk, which I don’t think is ideal for that size bike. If Suzuki would make those upgrades, I would definitely consider it especially given the lower price.
I bought a 2009 Suzuki C50 Boulevard and I love it for 4 grand. I was going to buy a Indian but I might keep my little 800cc one I like it even thought it is a smaller bike.
I like mine too. I paid about the same as you and it was a great deal.
I hold your opinion in high regard since we have the same bike. I was interested in the Indian as it has similar rear travel compared to the Suzuki and mono shock swing arm suspension. The Harley has a lot less suspension travel so I was surprised when you said the Indian is not much smoother. I will have to road test the Harley. Indian has apparently addressed the issue of heat by shutting off the rear cylinders when bike is stopped at a light. Do you think I should keep my Suzuki for 20 thousand less or is it worth spending that money or is the improvement not on par with the money spent?
Indian did a good thing by including the rear cylinder cut off on their new models. That should help with the heat issue. The decision to upgrade from the Suzuki to a Harley Road King or Indian Springfield is a tough choice and one that I am facing too. I’m keeping the Suzuki for now since most of my riding is just day trips. When I retire and maybe start taking longer multi day rides, I’ll probably upgrade for more comfort and cargo capacity. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
Thanks Ramblin man enjoy your videos they are some of the best reviews I have seen. The price of these bikes I recommend people to test drive if possible as people like different ride characteristics. We have so many choices today and they are big investments. Could you do a video on the Road master?@@GARamblinMan
I have a 2018 heritage 114, I love the bike, my biggest complaint is the seats, ive upgraded to the hammock and still after a couple hundred miles there is still rider discomfort, my wife more than I, im thinking of trading in for either the road king or the spring field(researching both, thanks for the review). if I can fibd a solution for the rider comfort area I will keep the heritage (love the bike)….
It does seem like the stock seats are always a problem. I haven’t ridden the 2018 Heritage model, but the 2017 version I did ride had an ok seat, but after a couple of hours it was sort of uncomfortable. The Mustang after market seat I installed on my Suzuki Boulevard is by far the best I’ve had for comfort. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
Get a Russel Day Long saddle. I have one on my bike and have done many 1100KM days in amazing comfort. It is the most amazing saddle I have ever owned
kevin parsons the stock Indian Springfield seat is not very good. You’ll have to upgrade it with an after market one. The Road King seat seems more comfortable but I only rode it for one day. But that day was much better than the Indian Springfield for comfort.
Try out the Russell Daylong seat, nothing out on the market like it, IMHO.
I think the problem with the Indian with heat is that their engine placement. It seems to sit farther back than the Harley Roadking.
I never thought about that but it’s a good point. Plus that engine is just huge. Hopefully with the rear cylinder cut off in the newer models it is better. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
@@GARamblinMan Been looking into getting an Indian Springfield so thank you for your informative review. Ride safe out there yourself.
Nice video
Thanks. It was a great motorcycle to be on for a week. Thanks for watching and ride safe.
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You can always rent tha ' Big Boys'....
Hey GRM! Question...
You once rented a Harley Road King for a week, right? Did you have any back pain problems with the stock Harley seat?
I was only on the Road King for a day and I remember the seat being comfortable during that day. The first day I was on the Indian I noticed the seat being uncomfortable after about an hour in the saddle. That being said, seats are easy to swap out and I don’t think any stock seat would be a major point in any purchase decision.
As a replacement Mustang seat for an uncomfortable stock one can be $500 it's a point but not a major one!
Wes Clark yes they are pricey, but worth it in my opinion.
108 ft lbs of torque at the wheel seems quite a bit more than a Harley of the same caliber. Also 15 minutes in stop and go traffic is a very Long day. The heat is definitely not unusual and you should have cylinder deactivation on that model.
Bought a Road King 2018..... I will say, YOU NEED TO OWN IT .. your opinion will change. There is a reason that dealer network is large. You’ll need it JMHO
I’ve heard similar stories. Hope they honor your warranty. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I bought a road king in 2016, road like a buckboard, and shifted like a clunky tractor! Things you didn't mention.
All Harley’s have a clunky transmission but that feature is just one of those things that make them a Harley. They have reduced the shaking with the M8 motors. I actually thought the Road King rode pretty well and was better than the Street Glides and Road Glides due to the longer travel on the rear shocks. But ride quality is highly subjective. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Wow, Ramblin' Man - I am so disappointed! You'd take the Harley, huh? And here I just about talked myself into an Indian - which I think is the far nicer-looking bike.
The seat: I totally understand. Like you, I ride an 800cc Suzuki Boulevard, but unlike you I haven't yet changed the seat out for a Mustang seat. I, too, get lower back pains after about an hour in the saddle. I am so disappointed to hear that you encountered this with the Indian. And the heat from the engine is a big deal, too. Perhaps not a deal-breaker, but a big deal. Was the Harley really less hot?
A real determinant, as you state, is the dealer network. Break down in a Harley and you can find dealers all over. Not so with an Indian. And I understand Harley dealerships refuse to work on Indians.
BTW: Test rode a 2018 Harley Road King in Maryland on Friday. I liked it a lot! That Milwaukee 8 engine is noticeably smoother than the previous 103, especially at idle at stop signs. Comparing ride characteristics, I found the Indian to be a bit more nimble than the Harley at speed. The Harley, however, felt more stable, solid and planted. I suppose I'd favor the Harley in this respect.
Great series of videos... good job!
I like the styling of both. There are good and not so good things about both. I just think the Road King handles better and had the better motor by just a little bit. I think the thing that would sway me is the network of HD dealers is just so more extensive than Indian. But that all being said, if an Indian dealer could make me a better offer on price and a few accessories I would definitely consider it. One thing I would recommend is to get one as a rental or loaner for a couple of days to really get a feel for it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
So far I have noticed that new and used Road Kings are generally a better deal: there's more of them on the market!
He never mentioned the different ride modes. that may have contributed to not having the power he wanted when going up a hill.
I don’t think the model I rode last year had the different ride modes. Thats a 2019 feature I’m pretty sure. The bike really does have plenty of power. I was just expecting a little more from that Thunder Stroke 111. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
I'm loyal to one thing and one thing only quality
I own a 16 with 40k miles. Still runs like new.
It’s a great running bike for sure. The miles you have put on yours in the last 4-5 years proves that. Enjoy your Indian!
Gotta have the stage 2.
I agree. That’s true for most any motorcycle. I live the Cobra pipes on my Suzuki Boulevard. Thanks for watching ride safe.
It sure looks like a smooth bike. I wish my cruiser had a 6th gear. Ride safe bro.
Viper6 that 6th gear is nice. My Suzuki Boulevard could use one.
GA Ramblin Man yup, I have the C90T lol
Viper6 I have the C50T and it needs more power and 6 gears, but I still like it.
So could mine (2008 M50)! Changing out the spark plugs made a big difference in the bike's top end, but doing 70-75 mph in a Boulevard, one definitely notices the want of a 6th gear!
Is this the Ramblin Man I know?
If the one you know is on old dude from Cumming, GA - then I am!
of course harley's are all over the place ......for now....indians at this time is just starting to pick up....that's a given.....
Don't buy that Harley Davidson and find out all the above is true you'll be sorry
Sitting on motorcycle with your legs two inches from the engine and complaining it's hot lol.
The 2018 Thunderstroke 111 is much hotter than the newer engines with the rear cylinder deactivation. That was a great upgrade. Unfortunately air cooled engines are just hot while idling in the summer.
Buy a Suzuki C109RT they are cheap and have more power than the Harley and Indian 114 HP verses 72 on the Indian and 120 ft. lbs of torque.
I like that bike a lot. Suzuki makes some nice motorcycles. Thanks for the recommendation.
I'd take Indian over Harley any time. This model is most comprehensive to the Fatboy not the road king
“I’m not a Harley guy....” but the M8 is a better engine.... ok...
I’ve never owned a Harley or an Indian. Just my opinion from riding them both. They are both great motors and any differences are pretty minor. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
the heat is manageable very easily. Place your right foot on the foot rest and that way keep your leg away from the right side of the bike. Also, what kind of riding gear are you wearing? I think your review is a bit un-calibrated and uninformed. All the bikes you mention, have there own serious flaws.
The views I offered were just my honest feelings and thoughts on the motorcycle after riding it for an entire week, so I think it was a relatively informed review. I was wearing Kevlar lined Sliders brand khaki riding pants with motorcycle boots so the gear was normal. I realize the perfect bike doesn’t exist and would never do a review where I would say anything of the sort. I thought I was pretty straightforward about saying the motorcycle was an overall good ride and beautiful machine but with just a few things I thought I should mention because if they were issues for me, they would probably be for someone else too. No one motorcycle is a perfect fit for everybody and it’s great we have so many choices. Thanks for watching and commenting and ride safe.
GA Ramblin Man i guess I should have been more accurate with my words. After 50 years of riding, wrenching and racing.... they all have many faults. Those faults show up soon or show up later. ( i realize you said this in so many words) . I find it is more helpful to look for the positive attributes.
The positive traits of the Indian Springfield are its drop dead gorgeous looks, great handling, lockable bags and big clear display. All great attributes of the bike. Thanks for watching and your comments.
I watched a lot of this before I realized it is a Harley commercial.
I don’t think it’s a Harley-Davidson commercial. Just my honest thoughts on the Springfield in comparison to a Road King. It’s like I said, both are great motorcycles. By the way, I’ve never owned a Harley. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ride safe.
Road King is close to 10K$ more.
dredude55 My 2018 road king standard was 20,000
You really think it's interesting to watch you ride mile after mile after mile straight on...? Why not save the effort and talk over a black screen?
This ride was more about my comments on the Indian Springfield after a week on it rather than the scenery and road. This was the last leg of my trip that week and it was an interstate highway and those typically aren’t the best motorcycle roads. There are some videos posted from my other rides that week that are a little more scenic. Thanks for watching and ride safe.