Acheron's blade summoning thunder like the 3rd blade, stopping time like the 5th one, creating a devouring black hole that looks like the 12th, it wouldn't surprise me if she was able to use all the blades combined powers, because hers in the sum of the others.
I don't think she can. The blades seem to have the exact same power as the herrschers from Honkai Impact 3rd. And I think the void of the 12th sword is actually just the black hole in the sky. And if their powers are really similar, then Acheron would have been way more powerful given the strength of the 11th and 12th sword. I personally think she somehow managed to use her "Life" as a power and that this power later mixed with the Nihility since she's an Emanator.
@@mercuryanubius7248 I only have comprehension and visual clues, I see the visual information given (like thunder, time stop, black hole) and the comprehension of "the blades were reforged into one" and that tells me that she can use the 12 powers, but I'll wait for the story/lore to tell me otherwise.
@@mercuryanubius7248 Acheron is very much the current most powerful character on screen we have in HSR, so her holding all 12's powers similar to Kiana is not really hard to believe
Just want to give a little explanation about the description of the power of the edict blade based on Honkai impact, as far as I know 1. truth: Can create something from nothing, generally a weapon, can also be used to recreate the body, it just rarely appears. If you want to create something, the user must at least understand the principle of that something and it is require lot of brain capacity. 2. sky: Flight, Teleportation, Conceptual Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Forcefield 3. Howl: Manage the electromagnetic field surrounding the body" and "electromagnetic pulses that destroy chemical bonds within the molecule 4. Mist: Wind Manipulation (Has absolute command over the forces of air), Acrobatics, Information Manipulation 5. frost: Able to de-energize atoms, slowing their movement, causing near absolute zero (-273.15°C) temperatures as a result. May be able to freeze time 6. Fate: Able to decompose/disintegrate and compose/regenerate matter. in simple "decay and rebuild matter" 7. Flare: Able to accelerate atoms at high speeds to generate massive amounts of heat and explosions. 8. Tought: Mind manipulation, Creating Dreamscapes. Able to read and manipulate others' minds at a large scale. 9. Root: Gravitational wave control. Create Black Holes. 10. Form: Control a specific element, Hivemind (you know hivemind right?), in Hi3rd this weapon specially at previous era became like an mass production weapon because the herrshers of domination, has 1000 core. 11. Bind: Able to create a field around them that nullifies energy and restricted other forms of energy to various extents. 12. Maw: Able to corrupt anything biological or artificial. "Artificial" referring to software/digital technology. basically Self-aware lethal virus. 13. Origin: not much is known about it powers, only that one of them is the ability to have a human consciousness? maybe this is what makes Acheron able to withstand IX shadow? 14. Finality: like Origin not many known about this. we know that in Hi3rd finality has ability to Absolute control over Houkai energy. One of ability able to Absolut control time 15. Naught: is hsr original, but i thinks this more suited with ability that i said at finality, just in case, I'm just trying to give a little comparison with the one in HI3rd, my knowledge of Hi3rd is also not very deep, so I apologize if I'm wrong. And it's possible that Blade Edict has a completely different power than the one I mentioned, so take it with grain of salt. (☞ ͡ ͡° ͜ ʖ ͡ ͡°)☞
You did your research and that's awesome, for someone who says they don't know a lot about Honkai Impact most of your descriptions were pretty much dead on.
@@Tube4life679 i know that, because of that i try to explain it, in non HI3rd player word, well... Closer to last, i already gave up to thinks anymore🤣
Honkai Impact 3rd reference: Edict Edges = Divine Keys (Herrschers) 1. Truth = Void Archive (Forged from the Herrscher of Reason Core) 2. Sky = Cosmic Juggernaut (Forged from Herrscher of Void Core) 3. Howl = Seven Thunders of Retribution (Forged from Herrscher of Thunder Core) 4. Mist = Unamed Satelite (Forged from Herrscher of Winf Core) 5. Frost = The Great Hibernation (Forged from Herrscher of Ice Core) 6. Fate = Abyss Flower (Forged from Herrscher of Death Core) 7. Flare = Judgement of Shamash (Forged from Herrscher of Fire Core) 8. Thought = Fenghuang Down (Forged from Herrscher of Sentience Core) 9. Root = Star of Eden (Forged from Herrscher of Earth/Star Core) 10. Form = Xuanyuan Sword, Grips of Taixuan, Water Edge (Forged from Herrscher of Domination Core) 11. Bind = Oath of Judah (Forged from Herrscher of Binding Core) 12. Maw = Jizo Mitama(?) (Forged from Herrscher of Corruption Core) Note 1: The Edict Edges are basically references to HI3 Herrschers, same with Origin and End but they are not created as weapons. Note 2: Jizo Mitama is a question mark because many fans have dubbed the weapon as "non-canon" to the retcon of one of the story and manga of HI3 Note 3: There is another divine key called the Key of Blankness which is basically an armour that able to resonare with any Herrscher cores and it does not mention that it is related to "Origin" Note 4: The herrscher cores I'm referring to are from the "Previous eras" where Kevina Kasalana was born and not from the "Current Era" herrschers Note 5: HSR Welt (the same welt from HI3) have the Star of Eden which is his cane aka he have the power of "Root" as a weapon but back in his prime he is the Herrscher of Reason (used to before it was passed down so he is kinda weakened but it not to be messed with as he is a veteran) Note 6: While the edict edges may be similar to the Herrscher powers, I'd like to point out that for "Thought" it seems to be different than the power of the Herrscher of Sentience where you can basically... manipulate people minds and dreams. For "Form" which is similar to the power of the Herrscher of Domination, is basically a hivemind Note : All the information I got are from hi3 wiki fandom and from my experience as a hi3 player too, let me know if I'm missing something in the comments
The thing about Jizo Mitama is that apparently it's considered non-canon. Since the Herscherr of Corruption was sealed away and not killed they didnt make a Divine Key from the core. They've retconned this thing so much we dont know if it's real or not.
@Tube4life679 I don't understand why they say it a retcon when is stated in game that Kiana and the others retrieved it and its in schiksal, yeah its mentioned in Sakura Samsara and its convoluted but they said the same about many other things like what Theresa said about Kiana (Bianka) when some of us speculated she was original Kiana and when some even said that Su wasnt important because he just died when we see that he became an enlightened one in the mangas
I see the name "Abyss Flower" as the equivalent to Fate, and that is part of the kit for Luocha, believed to be Star Rail's version of Otto, if not Otto himself. While I've only heard bits and pieces about Otto, the fact that it's equivalent to Fate and, according to another commenter, "Able to decompose/disintegrate and compose/regenerate matter. in simple "decay and rebuild matter" ," it makes sense then how he was able to heal the wounds of others, including a Puppet body like Xyeui's within the Luofu story.
The 12 Blades are actually a clear reference to Honkai Impact 3rd’s Herrschers as each of the blades’ power and name corresponds with a Herrscher in Hi3, which implies that the “Honkai” will probably play a role in the future of HSR, likely once we visit Izumo, but will probably go by a different name as seen with Izumo referring to their “Honkai” as “Kami.”
@@RonieTheddy03 "In the merciless fight for survival, Izumo used the might of the Edict Edges to light up their uncivilized world of darkness in less than ten Amber Eras, building cities of dazzling neon lights. However, it wasn't enough to defeat the Kami. In continuing to resist the Kamigami, humanity eventually became Oni. In one final attempt, the people of Izumo used the 12 Sentinels to craft two blades: "Origin", which was wielded by Acheron, and "End." However, no matter what they tried, their battle was meaningless. Izumo and Takamagahara had slowly started to sink into the Shadow of IX and the planets were destroyed. In the modern day, their history is erased. Academics hold various views regarding its disappearance, but none can solve the mystery." This is information is in game and in the wiki, Izumo doesn't exist anymore when even the trailer for Acheron shows how the planet was destroyed. Acheron even stated her planet and the other one both orbited a blackhole and were fated to fall into it. There was no info stating Acheron cut her the planet into two, that wouldn't make sense.
@@RonieTheddy03 In the merciless fight for survival, Izumo used the might of the Edict Edges to light up their uncivilized world of darkness in less than ten Amber Eras, building cities of dazzling neon lights. However, it wasn't enough to defeat the Kami. In continuing to resist the Kamigami, humanity eventually became Oni. In one final attempt, the people of Izumo used the 12 Sentinels to craft two blades: "Origin", which was wielded by Acheron, and "End." However, no matter what they tried, their battle was meaningless. Izumo and Takamagahara had slowly started to sink into the Shadow of IX and the planets were destroyed. In the modern day, their history is erased. Academics hold various views regarding its disappearance, but none can solve the mystery." This information is from the the Wiki and as well what we can see from Acheron's trailer where she said in game as well that both planets were orbiting a black hole and that they were fated to be fall into it. Izumo and it's sister planet doesn't exist anymore.
both planets were destroyed in the end and sucked into IX's shadow (the blackhole they are orbiting). there was nothing left, apart from acheron who became emanator of IX and came back from the IX's shadow.
The 12 blades (+ origin and end) actually match the abilities and some names of the 14 herrschers from honkai impact exactly. As honkai impact and Honkai Star rail are apart of the same universe, it is very likely that Izumo is simply experiencing the same honkai that earth from Hi3 did just named “kami” instead of “honkai” just finished the video didn’t realise you mentioned it, to add on honkai is confirmed to be in Star rail. It’s very complicated to explain as you have to play Honkai Impact to understand how the universe of both games work but in simple terms HI3 is a world or star system that has not been connected to the rest of the greater worlds/star systems we know from Honkai Star rail through the aeons or astral express, which is why welt had to use a train(divine key) formed from the core of the 2nd herrscher (similar to the second izumo sword) to break free from his world into the greater universe.
Nope they're not the same. For one Honkai dont have planet it originated from. It was brought by COF from another universe while Kami are from Takamagahara, the twin planet of Izumo.
@@healu5293that could easily be explained if takamaghara was the first planet between the two to be engulfed by the honkai, which is exactly what happened to mars and venus before earth in honkai impact. And the kami “coming” from takamagahara could just be the humans of takamaghara turned into kami(honkai beasts) by the honkai
With the amount of redundant exposition, I don't think it's necessary to go over all chapters to "understand." People don't have to play the game to know, they can just find a recap or a summary.
@@keithhealy9526 Sorry that can't be right either. Humans don't turn into honkai, if they got infected, either they disintegrate(no honkai resistance) or turn into mindless zombie like creature(with little honkai resistance). And those mindless zombie like creature acts like typical zombies.. So they're are not like how kami was depicted at all..
Theres a reason why HI3rd fans were just going crazy when they mentioning these blades and the kami's that were association to them as a fellow fan and followed the story until the end of part 1 of its story.... Is that this confirms that "The Coccoon of Finality" rightfully has its threads of fate spread in the HSR universe worlds silently watching each world civilization improve until their ready for its "embrace" hence what happened to izumo and its inhabitants in the first place. Based on acherons narration of her world and what happened to them she basically turned it into a story because of nihility influence over her memories making forgetfull and its because of the swords properties that she's carries can cut through it enables her remember some of it. Im basically interpreting her story into something that is understandable in a way Those kami's that descended from izumo's twin sister planet were nothing more than analogy of a singular entity hiding on that sister planet of izumo in a higher dimensional plane in reverse influencing the victims/inhabitants of izumo to become host that were given authorities that can bend the physical laws of the universe like literally they can bend a specific property of universe that makes it exist to their own will independently. And also the corpse that they mentioned isnt actually a corpse but the core or in simple terms a condensed crystallized imaginary singularity meaning that this core draws power from the imaginary space with a specific authority of course that manifested inside of the host. And will further explained down below The 1st kami that descended has the authority of truth unabling the host the pretty much decontruct and contruct anything, in HSR there another person who currently also bears this authority and that is Welt Yang he is the second Herrscher of reason meaning he was the second person who inherited its core and authority from the original herrscher/host. Welt in his prime created/constructed fleets of man made war weapons and arsenals in thin air against his battle against the Herrscher of Void. And probably one ofnthe sickest moments in his life was that he was up against a foe that had a weapon that deals a unblockable attacks because it goes through the 4th dimension and so welt deconstructed reality to the point that it reached the 11th dimension just neutralized the attack thats just how crazy that authority can do. The 2nd kami that descended had the authority to control the fabric of space itself with no limits with sufficient energy/strength of course these kami it can create portals to any location or random location, slice through different dimensions in space, and access these dimensions based on their preferred place to fight or escape through. A good example for this is (Kaguya's unique ability from Naruto shippuden) if given to a host that can utilize its ability in different ways it can be a force not to be recon with. The 3rd kami that has the authority to control lightning and all of it different properties any phenomena that involves the electromagnetic spectrum, and the positive and negative charges in the atmosphere or the sorrounding area and also a unique abilty the manifest meteors in the sky. The 4th kami has the authority to control the air and atmosphere of a planet or any wheather phenomenon on a planet and any space wheather phenomenon. It also can change an entire landscapes properties in the ecosystem, it can cleanse impurities a planet atmospheric conditions. And can practically use this phenomenon as a weapn for this kami to use agaisnt a foe The 5th kami has the authority to control ice based phenomenon to its advantage and giving the host to withstand the freezing cold without effort. The 6th kami descended has the authority to the control cellular decay and cellular rejuvenation in every living organisms this imcludes plants growth and death. The 7th kami that descended has the authority to control different first based phenomenon to its advantage in combat very highly unpredictable. The 8th kami has authority to control the thoughts, memories, consciousness and dreans of any living being and also can use spiritual base phenomenon and disturb the brain functions to attack any foe making them pratically brain dead. The 9th kami has the authority to control gravitational forces and the weight of anything to use it against its enemies. The 10th kami somehow has a authority to basically create a singular hive mind entity acting in higher dimension to control living / human populations in its control. The 11th kami has a terrifying authority to create a field that stops all energy based phenomenon, biochemical reactions in a living body and plants and as well stops imaginary energy from doing anything practical making a dead zone. The 12th kami is a sentient virus which possess a authority to curropt any living beings thoughts, actions,behavior, making them feral and aggressive leaving any room for sanityand reason to grabbed on and as well to control computer, gadgets, internet and The two swords that were forged using the splintered edict edges came from these 2 kami's are one of the busted authorities and are mysterious of what it can actually do but im basing these through my knowledge on HI3rd lore. The kami that bears the authority of Origin allows the host to severe and mend anything and is capable of creating a domain that is sorrounded by a vast sea that can either be used as a way to trap or finish their enemies and possibly be used to gather all authorities in order to locate and access the dimension that the coccoon of finality resides in The kami that bears the authority of End allows the host to completely control time this kami can only manifest for one purpose to restart or end a planets civilization in one fell swoop and also this kami is capable of accessing the powers of the coccoon of finality only if you were chosen by it. So thats my brief explanation as a honkai impact 3rd player on these topics. Theres also one thing any manifestation of the coccoon minions/manifestation entirely depends on how advance in terms of knowledge and technology a civilization is sometimes some beasts that manifest from ver advanced civilization can rival these kami authorities by the way
welts ability is similar to the first "kami" that can make anything even welts own body and the cane that welt weild is similar to the 9th "edict edge" though the cane only makes black holes, the concept revolves around gravity.
Star of eden is a divine key made from 9th herrscher core of stars from PE in hi3 and similar to 9th edict edge His cane cannot create black hole but an imitation of a star's gravitational collapse similar to when a star dies and creates black holes but not all stars have the density and gravitational force enough to do this and just collapse with a boom While collapse become a gravitational well its not always strong as a real black hole So its completely wrongly assumed and hi3 lore also should have been more clear with his powers but in that game too they explain how his black hole is not a real one but a weaker one just far from the real deal Now if u tell me he can still use what little power he has left of first herrscher of reason in his body and create black hole by combining it with his star of eden power to amplify its effect He cannot comprehend what a black hole is so he cannot create it in its true form No mathematical expression or scientific studies or even theories explained completely what a black hole is 100% especially its singularity where everything goes infinite No one has completely understood black hole even honkaiverse or honkai star rail Thats y we have less info on IX He cannot create something he cannot understand bcoz thats how his herrscher of reason power work Even bronya who is herrscher of truth which is a much more powerful and evolved version of reason using the maximum potential of the truth's ability she cant make a black hole thats 1:1 same as original one He can imagine and use his own limited understanding of a black hole but it wont be powerful as actual black hole itself Acheron just described that gravity well he can create with the star of eden imitating a stars collapse as black hole and she is much more capable of doing more and defend against it if its needed but she was being frndly coz she dont want to be mc's enemies.
@@meepknight Knowledge is the measure of truth my frnd and Knowledge without insight does not make u wise but instead lead u towards a path of madness. Its easy to write a few words bout something but to truly understand it u must gain insight. When i saw u lacked that insight i went the extra mile to offer u that. So upto u whether u want to read it or not. We do not govern what we learn in life but our wall of ignorance anyways.
@@Kishisuke you're on that chuunibyo phase i see... my mistake... the entire point of what i wrote is so that it is "digestable" to a wider audience... why are you saying im "mad" or "without insight", that is baseless conjecture... this is just a "fun" video with a "fun fact"... and you took too far.
@@Kishisuke if you found an infinite in equation it just means you have to make a different approach because the method you're using is not good enough. if you found a singularity in real life it just means you didn't understand enough. even in real life, we are close enough to have theory of everything with just adding quantum gravity theorem (if it exist) to understand the blackhole singularity or even the universe singularity, it is still close enough than having a teleportation device or space travel. I think Bronya as a science fiction character has a better understanding than we are right now since it's just a fiction, so I think it's pretty simple for her just to understand black hole man.
1. Herrscher of reason:creation 2. Herrscher of the void 3. Herrscher of Thunder 4. Herrscher of the wind 5. Herrscher of ice 6. Herrscher of death/rebirth 7. Herrscher of fire 8. Herrscher of sentience 9. Herrscher of stars 10. Herrscher of domination 11. Herrscher of binding 12. Herrscher of corruption These are what the 12 kami represent and if you search up divine keys from honkai impact then you will know what each weapons powers are like the edict edge truth which is basically the void archives which creates objects based on the info stored inside of it. These weapons may differ but this world where acheron is from is a 1 on 1 copy of honkai impact so it should be like 99.9% the same. Also the 10th blade should have the same power as welts blackhole ability since it has the same power the weapons power is manipulating gravity which allows welt to make blackholes. Also the edict blade frost I don't think it can freeze time bc that belongs to origin and end and I am 99% sure bc it is a 1 on 1 copy from honkai impact.
The blade of Howl is most likely much stronger than people give it credit for. Granted, my only evidence for this is HI3 where they are probably based from. Howl's counterpart being Thunder. If that was the case, then it's safe to assume that Howl's lightning strikes are like that of the lightning of conquest. This power basically grows stronger the more battles (conquest) the person wielding it participates, also growing more powerful if the enemies it is facing is also stronger. It's a power used to completely overwhelm your opponent using sheer firepower and speed.
there's no need to guess what the groot sword does since it's literally Welt's cane. that's why Acheron immediately recognized it when they met while the entire penacony wasn't aware of it.
14:20 Im confused about what you said. Isnt hsr in the same universe as hi3? I mean ive never played hi3 or read the comic but Welt didn't jump to another universe to get to hsr right? He just jumped to different planets, got lost and ended up on the express. So... Are they in the same universe? Does anyone know?
Yes He's a Kiana expy. A male version to be precise, and is definitely the Kevin of Inazumo. In HI3rd, Kevin and Kiana aren't paralleling identities because Kevin is an ancestor of Kiana. However, initial universes from their oldest games suggest that Kevin is a male version of Kiana but in another universe. So it's safe to say that Acheron is straight in her universe as a contrast to Mei of HI3rd 😂 (These are all under the assumption that even Acheron's romantic pursuit parallels that of Honkai Impact)
I feel i should let ppl have some clarity on welt and his power scaling misunderstanding from 2.1 story quest as a hi3 veteran and a lore chaser of hoyo games in general and other games like soulslike i think i have enough idea to keep it simple and easy to understand. Ahem anyways.. Star of eden is a divine key made from 9th herrscher core of stars from PE in hi3 and similar to 9th edict edge His cane cannot create black hole but an imitation of a star's gravitational collapse similar to when a star dies and creates black holes but not all stars have the density and gravitational force enough to do this and just collapse with a boom While collapse become a gravitational well(or sink) its not always strong as a real black hole So its completely wrongly assumed and hi3 lore also should have been more clear with his powers but in that game too they explain how his black hole is not a real one but a weaker one just far from the real deal Now if u tell me he can still use what little power he has left of first herrscher of reason in his body and create black hole by combining it with his star of eden power to amplify its effect He cannot comprehend what a black hole is so he cannot create it in its true form No mathematical expression or scientific studies or even theories explained completely what a black hole is 100% especially its singularity where everything goes infinite No one has completely understood black hole even honkaiverse or honkai star rail Thats y we have less info on IX He cannot create something he cannot understand bcoz thats how his herrscher of reason power work Even bronya who is herrscher of truth which is a much more powerful and evolved version of reason using the maximum potential of the truth's ability she cant make a black hole thats 1:1 same as original one He can imagine and use his own limited understanding of a black hole but it wont be powerful as actual black hole itself Acheron just described that gravity well he can create with the star of eden imitating a stars collapse as black hole and she is much more capable of doing more and defend against it if its needed but she was being frndly coz she dont want to be mc's enemies.
Preach. Acheron slays Welt. After all, she wasn't even intimidated, let alone fazed by Welt's threat when he said he'll disintegrate her with his, "black hole cane". 🤭 In fact, her in-game dialog in response to black holes suggest she isn't even scared of the REAL thing. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@jadepuguon1177 But of course, Acheron is, after all, a SELF-MADE Emanator of Nihility, aka SELF-ANNIHILATOR. She literally overcame IX's influence ALL BY HERSELF! A feat MANY tried, yet FAILED. 🤣 IX doesn't even have a will, let alone sentience to choose Emanators, so this accomplishment was all about Acheron challenging herself to show just how bada** she is. 🤭
Acheron's blade summoning thunder like the 3rd blade, stopping time like the 5th one, creating a devouring black hole that looks like the 12th, it wouldn't surprise me if she was able to use all the blades combined powers, because hers in the sum of the others.
I don't think she can. The blades seem to have the exact same power as the herrschers from Honkai Impact 3rd. And I think the void of the 12th sword is actually just the black hole in the sky. And if their powers are really similar, then Acheron would have been way more powerful given the strength of the 11th and 12th sword. I personally think she somehow managed to use her "Life" as a power and that this power later mixed with the Nihility since she's an Emanator.
@@mercuryanubius7248 I only have comprehension and visual clues, I see the visual information given (like thunder, time stop, black hole) and the comprehension of "the blades were reforged into one" and that tells me that she can use the 12 powers, but I'll wait for the story/lore to tell me otherwise.
@@gillesnotard69 Yeah, I know. And honestly, I may base myself a bit too much on honkai impact 3rd for this one.
@@mercuryanubius7248 Acheron is very much the current most powerful character on screen we have in HSR, so her holding all 12's powers similar to Kiana is not really hard to believe
Her eidolons reference all blades. This seems to be true.
Just want to give a little explanation about the description of the power of the edict blade based on Honkai impact, as far as I know
1. truth: Can create something from nothing, generally a weapon, can also be used to recreate the body, it just rarely appears. If you want to create something, the user must at least understand the principle of that something and it is require lot of brain capacity.
2. sky: Flight, Teleportation, Conceptual Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Forcefield
3. Howl: Manage the electromagnetic field surrounding the body" and "electromagnetic pulses that destroy chemical bonds within the molecule
4. Mist: Wind Manipulation (Has absolute command over the forces of air), Acrobatics, Information Manipulation
5. frost: Able to de-energize atoms, slowing their movement, causing near absolute zero (-273.15°C) temperatures as a result. May be able to freeze time
6. Fate: Able to decompose/disintegrate and compose/regenerate matter. in simple "decay and rebuild matter"
7. Flare: Able to accelerate atoms at high speeds to generate massive amounts of heat and explosions.
8. Tought: Mind manipulation, Creating Dreamscapes. Able to read and manipulate others' minds at a large scale.
9. Root: Gravitational wave control. Create Black Holes.
10. Form: Control a specific element, Hivemind (you know hivemind right?), in Hi3rd this weapon specially at previous era became like an mass production weapon because the herrshers of domination, has 1000 core.
11. Bind: Able to create a field around them that nullifies energy and restricted other forms of energy to various extents.
12. Maw: Able to corrupt anything biological or artificial. "Artificial" referring to software/digital technology. basically Self-aware lethal virus.
13. Origin: not much is known about it powers, only that one of them is the ability to have a human consciousness? maybe this is what makes Acheron able to withstand IX shadow?
14. Finality: like Origin not many known about this. we know that in Hi3rd finality has ability to Absolute control over Houkai energy. One of ability able to Absolut control time
15. Naught: is hsr original, but i thinks this more suited with ability that i said at finality,
just in case, I'm just trying to give a little comparison with the one in HI3rd, my knowledge of Hi3rd is also not very deep, so I apologize if I'm wrong. And it's possible that Blade Edict has a completely different power than the one I mentioned, so take it with grain of salt. (☞ ͡ ͡° ͜ ʖ ͡ ͡°)☞
You did your research and that's awesome, for someone who says they don't know a lot about Honkai Impact most of your descriptions were pretty much dead on.
Long post short, Acheron is op.
@@Tube4life679 i know that, because of that i try to explain it, in non HI3rd player word, well... Closer to last, i already gave up to thinks anymore🤣
14:17 " im not sure if this was done as a homage to the other game"
Bruh the writer is Shaoji
Honkai Impact 3rd reference:
Edict Edges = Divine Keys (Herrschers)
1. Truth = Void Archive (Forged from the Herrscher of Reason Core)
2. Sky = Cosmic Juggernaut (Forged from Herrscher of Void Core)
3. Howl = Seven Thunders of Retribution (Forged from Herrscher of Thunder Core)
4. Mist = Unamed Satelite (Forged from Herrscher of Winf Core)
5. Frost = The Great Hibernation (Forged from Herrscher of Ice Core)
6. Fate = Abyss Flower (Forged from Herrscher of Death Core)
7. Flare = Judgement of Shamash (Forged from Herrscher of Fire Core)
8. Thought = Fenghuang Down (Forged from Herrscher of Sentience Core)
9. Root = Star of Eden (Forged from Herrscher of Earth/Star Core)
10. Form = Xuanyuan Sword, Grips of Taixuan, Water Edge (Forged from Herrscher of Domination Core)
11. Bind = Oath of Judah (Forged from Herrscher of Binding Core)
12. Maw = Jizo Mitama(?) (Forged from Herrscher of Corruption Core)
Note 1: The Edict Edges are basically references to HI3 Herrschers, same with Origin and End but they are not created as weapons.
Note 2: Jizo Mitama is a question mark because many fans have dubbed the weapon as "non-canon" to the retcon of one of the story and manga of HI3
Note 3: There is another divine key called the Key of Blankness which is basically an armour that able to resonare with any Herrscher cores and it does not mention that it is related to "Origin"
Note 4: The herrscher cores I'm referring to are from the "Previous eras" where Kevina Kasalana was born and not from the "Current Era" herrschers
Note 5: HSR Welt (the same welt from HI3) have the Star of Eden which is his cane aka he have the power of "Root" as a weapon but back in his prime he is the Herrscher of Reason (used to before it was passed down so he is kinda weakened but it not to be messed with as he is a veteran)
Note 6: While the edict edges may be similar to the Herrscher powers, I'd like to point out that for "Thought" it seems to be different than the power of the Herrscher of Sentience where you can basically... manipulate people minds and dreams. For "Form" which is similar to the power of the Herrscher of Domination, is basically a hivemind
Note : All the information I got are from hi3 wiki fandom and from my experience as a hi3 player too, let me know if I'm missing something in the comments
The thing about Jizo Mitama is that apparently it's considered non-canon. Since the Herscherr of Corruption was sealed away and not killed they didnt make a Divine Key from the core. They've retconned this thing so much we dont know if it's real or not.
@Tube4life679 I don't understand why they say it a retcon when is stated in game that Kiana and the others retrieved it and its in schiksal, yeah its mentioned in Sakura Samsara and its convoluted but they said the same about many other things like what Theresa said about Kiana (Bianka) when some of us speculated she was original Kiana and when some even said that Su wasnt important because he just died when we see that he became an enlightened one in the mangas
I see the name "Abyss Flower" as the equivalent to Fate, and that is part of the kit for Luocha, believed to be Star Rail's version of Otto, if not Otto himself.
While I've only heard bits and pieces about Otto, the fact that it's equivalent to Fate and, according to another commenter, "Able to decompose/disintegrate and compose/regenerate matter. in simple "decay and rebuild matter" ," it makes sense then how he was able to heal the wounds of others, including a Puppet body like Xyeui's within the Luofu story.
the amount of lore u dont get if you dont watch trailers is crazy
The 12 Blades are actually a clear reference to Honkai Impact 3rd’s Herrschers as each of the blades’ power and name corresponds with a Herrscher in Hi3, which implies that the “Honkai” will probably play a role in the future of HSR, likely once we visit Izumo, but will probably go by a different name as seen with Izumo referring to their “Honkai” as “Kami.”
Visit Izumo? the planet is gone
@@maccavann8519 Not exactly. IIRC, Izumo was split into 2 by Acheron’s blade or something
@@RonieTheddy03 "In the merciless fight for survival, Izumo used the might of the Edict Edges to light up their uncivilized world of darkness in less than ten Amber Eras, building cities of dazzling neon lights. However, it wasn't enough to defeat the Kami. In continuing to resist the Kamigami, humanity eventually became Oni. In one final attempt, the people of Izumo used the 12 Sentinels to craft two blades: "Origin", which was wielded by Acheron, and "End." However, no matter what they tried, their battle was meaningless. Izumo and Takamagahara had slowly started to sink into the Shadow of IX and the planets were destroyed. In the modern day, their history is erased. Academics hold various views regarding its disappearance, but none can solve the mystery."
This is information is in game and in the wiki, Izumo doesn't exist anymore when even the trailer for Acheron shows how the planet was destroyed. Acheron even stated her planet and the other one both orbited a blackhole and were fated to fall into it. There was no info stating Acheron cut her the planet into two, that wouldn't make sense.
@@RonieTheddy03 In the merciless fight for survival, Izumo used the might of the Edict Edges to light up their uncivilized world of darkness in less than ten Amber Eras, building cities of dazzling neon lights. However, it wasn't enough to defeat the Kami. In continuing to resist the Kamigami, humanity eventually became Oni. In one final attempt, the people of Izumo used the 12 Sentinels to craft two blades: "Origin", which was wielded by Acheron, and "End." However, no matter what they tried, their battle was meaningless. Izumo and Takamagahara had slowly started to sink into the Shadow of IX and the planets were destroyed. In the modern day, their history is erased. Academics hold various views regarding its disappearance, but none can solve the mystery."
This information is from the the Wiki and as well what we can see from Acheron's trailer where she said in game as well that both planets were orbiting a black hole and that they were fated to be fall into it. Izumo and it's sister planet doesn't exist anymore.
both planets were destroyed in the end and sucked into IX's shadow (the blackhole they are orbiting).
there was nothing left, apart from acheron who became emanator of IX and came back from the IX's shadow.
The 12 blades (+ origin and end) actually match the abilities and some names of the 14 herrschers from honkai impact exactly. As honkai impact and Honkai Star rail are apart of the same universe, it is very likely that Izumo is simply experiencing the same honkai that earth from Hi3 did just named “kami” instead of “honkai”
just finished the video didn’t realise you mentioned it, to add on honkai is confirmed to be in Star rail. It’s very complicated to explain as you have to play Honkai Impact to understand how the universe of both games work but in simple terms HI3 is a world or star system that has not been connected to the rest of the greater worlds/star systems we know from Honkai Star rail through the aeons or astral express, which is why welt had to use a train(divine key) formed from the core of the 2nd herrscher (similar to the second izumo sword) to break free from his world into the greater universe.
Nope they're not the same. For one Honkai dont have planet it originated from. It was brought by COF from another universe while Kami are from Takamagahara, the twin planet of Izumo.
@@healu5293that could easily be explained if takamaghara was the first planet between the two to be engulfed by the honkai, which is exactly what happened to mars and venus before earth in honkai impact. And the kami “coming” from takamagahara could just be the humans of takamaghara turned into kami(honkai beasts) by the honkai
With the amount of redundant exposition, I don't think it's necessary to go over all chapters to "understand." People don't have to play the game to know, they can just find a recap or a summary.
@@keithhealy9526 Sorry that can't be right either. Humans don't turn into honkai, if they got infected, either they disintegrate(no honkai resistance) or turn into mindless zombie like creature(with little honkai resistance). And those mindless zombie like creature acts like typical zombies.. So they're are not like how kami was depicted at all..
@@healu5293not the same but similar. Even Acheron already stated that her worlds story overlaps with what Welt described.
Theres a reason why HI3rd fans were just going crazy when they mentioning these blades and the kami's that were association to them as a fellow fan and followed the story until the end of part 1 of its story....
Is that this confirms that "The Coccoon of Finality" rightfully has its threads of fate spread in the HSR universe worlds silently watching each world civilization improve until their ready for its "embrace" hence what happened to izumo and its inhabitants in the first place.
Based on acherons narration of her world and what happened to them she basically turned it into a story because of nihility influence over her memories making forgetfull and its because of the swords properties that she's carries can cut through it enables her remember some of it. Im basically interpreting her story into something that is understandable in a way
Those kami's that descended from izumo's twin sister planet were nothing more than analogy of a singular entity hiding on that sister planet of izumo in a higher dimensional plane in reverse influencing the victims/inhabitants of izumo to become host that were given authorities that can bend the physical laws of the universe like literally they can bend a specific property of universe that makes it exist to their own will independently. And also the corpse that they mentioned isnt actually a corpse but the core or in simple terms a condensed crystallized imaginary singularity meaning that this core draws power from the imaginary space with a specific authority of course that manifested inside of the host. And will further explained down below
The 1st kami that descended has the authority of truth unabling the host the pretty much decontruct and contruct anything, in HSR there another person who currently also bears this authority and that is Welt Yang he is the second Herrscher of reason meaning he was the second person who inherited its core and authority from the original herrscher/host. Welt in his prime created/constructed fleets of man made war weapons and arsenals in thin air against his battle against the Herrscher of Void. And probably one ofnthe sickest moments in his life was that he was up against a foe that had a weapon that deals a unblockable attacks because it goes through the 4th dimension and so welt deconstructed reality to the point that it reached the 11th dimension just neutralized the attack thats just how crazy that authority can do.
The 2nd kami that descended had the authority to control the fabric of space itself with no limits with sufficient energy/strength of course these kami it can create portals to any location or random location, slice through different dimensions in space, and access these dimensions based on their preferred place to fight or escape through. A good example for this is (Kaguya's unique ability from Naruto shippuden) if given to a host that can utilize its ability in different ways it can be a force not to be recon with.
The 3rd kami that has the authority to control lightning and all of it different properties any phenomena that involves the electromagnetic spectrum, and the positive and negative charges in the atmosphere or the sorrounding area and also a unique abilty the manifest meteors in the sky.
The 4th kami has the authority to control the air and atmosphere of a planet or any wheather phenomenon on a planet and any space wheather phenomenon. It also can change an entire landscapes properties in the ecosystem, it can cleanse impurities a planet atmospheric conditions. And can practically use this phenomenon as a weapn for this kami to use agaisnt a foe
The 5th kami has the authority to control ice based phenomenon to its advantage and giving the host to withstand the freezing cold without effort.
The 6th kami descended has the authority to the control cellular decay and cellular rejuvenation in every living organisms this imcludes plants growth and death.
The 7th kami that descended has the authority to control different first based phenomenon to its advantage in combat very highly unpredictable.
The 8th kami has authority to control the thoughts, memories, consciousness and dreans of any living being and also can use spiritual base phenomenon and disturb the brain functions to attack any foe making them pratically brain dead.
The 9th kami has the authority to control gravitational forces and the weight of anything to use it against its enemies.
The 10th kami somehow has a authority to basically create a singular hive mind entity acting in higher dimension to control living / human populations in its control.
The 11th kami has a terrifying authority to create a field that stops all energy based phenomenon, biochemical reactions in a living body and plants and as well stops imaginary energy from doing anything practical making a dead zone.
The 12th kami is a sentient virus which possess a authority to curropt any living beings thoughts, actions,behavior, making them feral and aggressive leaving any room for sanityand reason to grabbed on and as well to control computer, gadgets, internet and
The two swords that were forged using the splintered edict edges came from these 2 kami's are one of the busted authorities and are mysterious of what it can actually do but im basing these through my knowledge on HI3rd lore.
The kami that bears the authority of Origin allows the host to severe and mend anything and is capable of creating a domain that is sorrounded by a vast sea that can either be used as a way to trap or finish their enemies and possibly be used to gather all authorities in order to locate and access the dimension that the coccoon of finality resides in
The kami that bears the authority of End allows the host to completely control time this kami can only manifest for one purpose to restart or end a planets civilization in one fell swoop and also this kami is capable of accessing the powers of the coccoon of finality only if you were chosen by it.
So thats my brief explanation as a honkai impact 3rd player on these topics. Theres also one thing any manifestation of the coccoon minions/manifestation entirely depends on how advance in terms of knowledge and technology a civilization is sometimes some beasts that manifest from ver advanced civilization can rival these kami authorities by the way
welts ability is similar to the first "kami" that can make anything even welts own body and the cane that welt weild is similar to the 9th "edict edge" though the cane only makes black holes, the concept revolves around gravity.
Star of eden is a divine key made from 9th herrscher core of stars from PE in hi3 and similar to 9th edict edge
His cane cannot create black hole but an imitation of a star's gravitational collapse similar to when a star dies and creates black holes but not all stars have the density and gravitational force enough to do this and just collapse with a boom
While collapse become a gravitational well its not always strong as a real black hole
So its completely wrongly assumed and hi3 lore also should have been more clear with his powers but in that game too they explain how his black hole is not a real one but a weaker one just far from the real deal
Now if u tell me he can still use what little power he has left of first herrscher of reason in his body and create black hole by combining it with his star of eden power to amplify its effect
He cannot comprehend what a black hole is so he cannot create it in its true form
No mathematical expression or scientific studies or even theories explained completely what a black hole is 100% especially its singularity where everything goes infinite
No one has completely understood black hole even honkaiverse or honkai star rail
Thats y we have less info on IX
He cannot create something he cannot understand bcoz thats how his herrscher of reason power work
Even bronya who is herrscher of truth which is a much more powerful and evolved version of reason using the maximum potential of the truth's ability she cant make a black hole thats 1:1 same as original one
He can imagine and use his own limited understanding of a black hole but it wont be powerful as actual black hole itself
Acheron just described that gravity well he can create with the star of eden imitating a stars collapse as black hole and she is much more capable of doing more and defend against it if its needed but she was being frndly coz she dont want to be mc's enemies.
@@Kishisuke bro I ain't reading all that stuff... There's a reason why I wrote it as small as possible and as close to hsr than hi3 as possible...
@@meepknight Knowledge is the measure of truth my frnd and
Knowledge without insight does not make u wise but instead lead u towards a path of madness.
Its easy to write a few words bout something but to truly understand it u must gain insight.
When i saw u lacked that insight i went the extra mile to offer u that. So upto u whether u want to read it or not. We do not govern what we learn in life but our wall of ignorance anyways.
@@Kishisuke you're on that chuunibyo phase i see... my mistake... the entire point of what i wrote is so that it is "digestable" to a wider audience... why are you saying im "mad" or "without insight", that is baseless conjecture... this is just a "fun" video with a "fun fact"... and you took too far.
@@Kishisuke if you found an infinite in equation it just means you have to make a different approach because the method you're using is not good enough. if you found a singularity in real life it just means you didn't understand enough. even in real life, we are close enough to have theory of everything with just adding quantum gravity theorem (if it exist) to understand the blackhole singularity or even the universe singularity, it is still close enough than having a teleportation device or space travel. I think Bronya as a science fiction character has a better understanding than we are right now since it's just a fiction, so I think it's pretty simple for her just to understand black hole man.
1. Herrscher of reason:creation 2. Herrscher of the void 3. Herrscher of Thunder 4. Herrscher of the wind 5. Herrscher of ice 6. Herrscher of death/rebirth 7. Herrscher of fire 8. Herrscher of sentience 9. Herrscher of stars 10. Herrscher of domination 11. Herrscher of binding 12. Herrscher of corruption
These are what the 12 kami represent and if you search up divine keys from honkai impact then you will know what each weapons powers are like the edict edge truth which is basically the void archives which creates objects based on the info stored inside of it. These weapons may differ but this world where acheron is from is a 1 on 1 copy of honkai impact so it should be like 99.9% the same. Also the 10th blade should have the same power as welts blackhole ability since it has the same power the weapons power is manipulating gravity which allows welt to make blackholes. Also the edict blade frost I don't think it can freeze time bc that belongs to origin and end and I am 99% sure bc it is a 1 on 1 copy from honkai impact.
The blade of Howl is most likely much stronger than people give it credit for. Granted, my only evidence for this is HI3 where they are probably based from. Howl's counterpart being Thunder. If that was the case, then it's safe to assume that Howl's lightning strikes are like that of the lightning of conquest. This power basically grows stronger the more battles (conquest) the person wielding it participates, also growing more powerful if the enemies it is facing is also stronger. It's a power used to completely overwhelm your opponent using sheer firepower and speed.
origin and end. yeaaaaaaah. hmmm oddly reminding me of something.
I guess the entirety of Izumo is an Expy of earth in Honkai Impact
there's no need to guess what the groot sword does since it's literally Welt's cane. that's why Acheron immediately recognized it when they met while the entire penacony wasn't aware of it.
Aventurine was not at full power because her broke the cornerstone
Full power or not he still lose
His power is borrowed from another emanator
Acheron herself is a emanator
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 yeah I know that, I commented it cause we don't know a ten stoneheart is at their full power
14:20 Im confused about what you said. Isnt hsr in the same universe as hi3? I mean ive never played hi3 or read the comic but Welt didn't jump to another universe to get to hsr right? He just jumped to different planets, got lost and ended up on the express. So... Are they in the same universe? Does anyone know?
Why does the intro sound like the beginning of a true crime story 😅😅😅?!?
Gotta have it sound interesting to hook people in 😂
@@Maevix3142 Lol Hi OP 😂👋 Also, good point😌
Can just put your sources for reading purposes
Wait, couldn't the person that Acheron killed be a Kiana kaslana expy from hi3.Ive heard it from hi3 players
It's a kevin variant which is basically a kiana variant anyways
Some people think Frebass is the Kiana expy to Acheron's Mei
Yes He's a Kiana expy. A male version to be precise, and is definitely the Kevin of Inazumo.
In HI3rd, Kevin and Kiana aren't paralleling identities because Kevin is an ancestor of Kiana. However, initial universes from their oldest games suggest that Kevin is a male version of Kiana but in another universe.
So it's safe to say that Acheron is straight in her universe as a contrast to Mei of HI3rd 😂
(These are all under the assumption that even Acheron's romantic pursuit parallels that of Honkai Impact)
Kevin Kaslana, not Kiana. And probably - apparently the male voice in her myriad celestia trailer has the same va as Kevin in the CN and JP versions.
@@KyuubiDragon4 he could be the Kiana of Acheron's world
And yet some people still thinks Welt is stronger than Acheron
Don't the blades have the same powers of the 14 herrschers and are basically divine keys
I feel i should let ppl have some clarity on welt and his power scaling misunderstanding from 2.1 story quest as a hi3 veteran and a lore chaser of hoyo games in general and other games like soulslike i think i have enough idea to keep it simple and easy to understand.
Ahem anyways..
Star of eden is a divine key made from 9th herrscher core of stars from PE in hi3 and similar to 9th edict edge
His cane cannot create black hole but an imitation of a star's gravitational collapse similar to when a star dies and creates black holes but not all stars have the density and gravitational force enough to do this and just collapse with a boom
While collapse become a gravitational well(or sink) its not always strong as a real black hole
So its completely wrongly assumed and hi3 lore also should have been more clear with his powers but in that game too they explain how his black hole is not a real one but a weaker one just far from the real deal
Now if u tell me he can still use what little power he has left of first herrscher of reason in his body and create black hole by combining it with his star of eden power to amplify its effect
He cannot comprehend what a black hole is so he cannot create it in its true form
No mathematical expression or scientific studies or even theories explained completely what a black hole is 100% especially its singularity where everything goes infinite
No one has completely understood black hole even honkaiverse or honkai star rail
Thats y we have less info on IX
He cannot create something he cannot understand bcoz thats how his herrscher of reason power work
Even bronya who is herrscher of truth which is a much more powerful and evolved version of reason using the maximum potential of the truth's ability she cant make a black hole thats 1:1 same as original one
He can imagine and use his own limited understanding of a black hole but it wont be powerful as actual black hole itself
Acheron just described that gravity well he can create with the star of eden imitating a stars collapse as black hole and she is much more capable of doing more and defend against it if its needed but she was being frndly coz she dont want to be mc's enemies.
Preach. Acheron slays Welt. After all, she wasn't even intimidated, let alone fazed by Welt's threat when he said he'll disintegrate her with his, "black hole cane". 🤭 In fact, her in-game dialog in response to black holes suggest she isn't even scared of the REAL thing. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Evil_Beauty because she's been to the black hole of the black holes, the aeon black hole IX🤣🤣
@@jadepuguon1177 But of course, Acheron is, after all, a SELF-MADE Emanator of Nihility, aka SELF-ANNIHILATOR. She literally overcame IX's influence ALL BY HERSELF! A feat MANY tried, yet FAILED. 🤣 IX doesn't even have a will, let alone sentience to choose Emanators, so this accomplishment was all about Acheron challenging herself to show just how bada** she is. 🤭