Who Are The Followers of Nihility? | Honkai Star Rail Lore
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- In Honkai Star rail's lore there are an innumerable number of aeons that functions as gods to the mortal inhabitants of the universe. Each one of them represent a particular concept or principle like destruction or erudition. Among them the least understood is the path of nihility simply because its aeon, IX is not one for idle chatter. While the path of nihility represents nothingness and meaninglessness, for some odd reason this path seems to have a few factions that follow it. So in this video we are going to explore and answer the question of who exactly are the followers of nihility
There are functionally 3 main factions that follow the path itself, the self-annihilators, the doctors of chaos and the very mysterious device IX. Though not much is known about them its very curious that there exist people who actually want to follow this particular path given what it stands for. So who exactly are these followers of nihility and why have they chosen to follow IX and its path
Some part of this video comes from the actual lore while others may be speculation on my part as we currently do not know the full story. As such take it with a grain of salt as the point of this video is just a deeper dive into Honkai Star Rail lore.
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It’s important to point out that nihility is not the same as pessimism, cynicism or apathy - there are also different schools of thought within nihilism. It’s a whole rabbit hole but one I find quite interesting to learn about
bro YES! Nietzche's nihilism might just be one of the most misunderstood philsophy. especially considering that nietzche was against nihilism himself. Regarding apathy, it might likely be because he believed that helping others was a form of serving one's ego and prevented people from suffering that would have improved people.
Yup thats why I wanted to included that section at the start about why people who follow nihility may act in an apathetic way but are fundamentally different, the rabbit hole goes much deeper but I didnt want to just talk about that subject since the video is about the followers. Maybe in another video 😁
nihilism is more or less recognising that nothing inherently has meaning, key word inherently.
life itself has no meaning on its own, no one is born with a inherent purpose and the purpose of life is not to die. life, like everything, has no meaning on its own.
meaning is given, not inherent.
Nihilism isn't depression. Its the belief that there is no 'greater purpose' to life. Life is its own purpose. For some this leads to lazyness or a sense of nothing mattering so why bother, but for others its like a freedom to do things for their own sake. "I get no reward for doing this good deed, and in the end it is a meaningless gesture, but I do it anyway because I choose to."
Sounds more like Elation to me
@@rexevan6714 Not really. Nihility is Nihilism, read Nietzsche if you want a taste of the real world version. Thus Spoke Zarathustra is a good place to start. Elation is more like Hedonism if anything, which you could read up on Epicurus for some very early thoughts on what would later become known as Hedonism.
@@rexevan6714 nope, elation find life as a grand circus in which they can relate to absurdism and make a joke about it, but nihilism doesnt see life that way, its just that life is life and the meaning of it is just what life wants it but its meaningless regardless.
I’m not sure, but that sounds more like existentialism to me. The universe has no inherent meaning but we create our own meaning. True nihility is self destructive because existence in and of itself is meaningless, hence self annihilators are the embodiments of nihility. It’s also why true nihilism often leads to depression.
Nihility leads to depression because this is a consequence of realizing that nothing makes sense, what would happen if you knew that the existence of the universe has no meaning? That it was an accident and that there is no "great reason" why you were created? Many religions are even created out of wanting to give value to one's existence.
Acheron became an emanator because she lost everything, her planet, family and every being she knew. In that state she realized that nothing makes sense because no one saved them, no god helped them, there is no god who "protects" them as many religions say and That is why, upon understanding the meaninglessness of the universe, I embraced the path of IX so much that she became an emanator and for that reason she does not have a destiny. She currently wanders like a zombie without a purpose, although she has reason, she does not have an objective as such. 😷
Curious now how the Trailblazer will acquire the Path of Nihility.
According to Acheron. IX doesn't gaze upon anyone. Rather, you end up gaining the powers of Nihility after exposed and Surviving IX shadow.
yes, I also wonder what weapon will be tied to Nihility.
@@novent1393 I could strangely see daggers being the weapon of choice for a Nihility MC (yes I know Sampo has them but still)
I think it's very likely we'll be meeting up with the Doctors of Chaos, who seem to be basically the only faction in Star Rail without ulterior motives. Makes sense when you realize that Acheron's already a self-annihilator that's working against the way of Nihility, and the DoC often team up with/recruit people like her.
Somewhere along the line I bet we'll come face-to-face with IX, maybe to give him a little pep talk.
We will most likely going to get near IX’s shadow and get a special encounter with IX, we will almost become a Self-Annihilator but yet we will also remember what Doctors Of Chaos teach to us (about the life) which will create this unique chemistry leading to the Trailblazer to gain the power of nihility in their hand.
(That how I imagine the arc of that chapter going to be lol)
something happens and the trailblazer believes all their friends are dead so we begin walking down the path and the only reason we don't fade away is our only purpose left is to defeat the boss then after our friends reveal they are alive or at least some of them and we don't fade away
In Acheron's talk with Aventurine, not only does she herself confirm that she doesn't believe that living is meaningless, but after Aventurine points out that Nihility is everywhere and inescapable, Acheron replies with something to the effect of, "and therefore it [Nihility] is meaningless". Essentially, it feels like Acheron is saying that because Nihility is inevitable and omnipresent, it's meaningless to dwell on it, or question the purpose of the universe and existence.
This ties in to a lot of her other dialogue, even from the first time we meet her. She may not be a Doctor of Chaos, but she clearly believes that, at the very least, choices have meaning, that emotions and experiences have meaning, and therefore people making choices and choosing to keep moving is meaningful.
It's neatly summarized in her line from her trailer: "All that is past has returned to Nihility [...] Don't look back. There is nowhere to go but forward." And I think that this mentality is how she's managed to stop the creeping doom of being a Self-Annihilator. And, as a bonus, if we take Dr. Primitive's view of Self-Annihilators of this kind into account, this outlook may actually not only be keeping her alive in the short-term, but also potentially prolonging her life indefinitely, like someone caught at the event horizon of a black hole, never sinking deeper, but never escaping either.
my thought is that unfortunatly she knows that every choice everyone mad on her home was pointless because their only hope against the kami just turned them into oni and even after that both planet get destroyed anyway but she would do it all again if she had to
no matter what they did they would eventually face death and destruction but that doesn't mean its not worth fighting
The borderline between self-annihilators and doctors of chaos
@@archerkuro4158 "You will die, but that shouldn't stop you from living." Is basically what I took from it.
That's because Nihility doesn't just mean, 'life has no meaning', it also means 'because life has no meaning, you have to create meaning for yourself".
@@SuperRamos619 I mean not really ix is the ultimate representation of nihility and it believes life has no meaning
What interests me most about Acheron is that she herself does not want to follow nihility, according to the dialogue with that person, before the cinematic where she "kills" Aventurine.
I bet it was a black swan event that Acheron became the emanator of nihility. When she was still fighting against the kami,she was still follower of the hunt. But against all odds she survived and became the only survivor of a very long interplanetary war. It's at this point that she became the emanator of nihilty due to involuntary fulfilling certain conditions
she's never a follower of the hunt@@steplu2916
@@steplu2916 she never followed The Hunt thats why [SPOILERS]
Boothill, which if im not mistaken is a real Galaxy Ranger, called her an "impostor" in his call with Black Swan (not sure whether hes truly a Galaxy Ranger but we know he treads the Path of the Hunt).
@@steplu2916during the time she's at izumo, it's can be said that izumo and takamagahara is the only plenets they know, the people of izumo, to be habitable. That's why they didn't know the existence of an aeon and didn't realise that the thing they call the dark sun, black hole, is actually IX.
I mean, with how she learned the truth that everything that she & her people did for Inzumo was essentially useless due to how both Izumi & Takama are destined to be swallowed by IX since beginning, it is for sure easy and also make sense at the same time for her to lose every motivation and wills at that moment.
HSR has a lot of links with philosophy, and in IX's instance it's positive (Doctors of Chaos) and negative (Self Annihilators) nihilism.
IX represents the inherent lack of meaning of the universe, and mortals choose to react positively or negatively to it.
The philosophy of HSR is my favorite part of the game, especially Elation and it's representation of Absurdism.
I like how the aeons are portrayed in a very straightforward manner given theyre bound to the paths they follow but can have different intepretations of what they represent and why so many factions exists. Some are entirely opposite to each other despite believing in the same aeon 😁
i think Elation is more on Hedonism tho?
@@yeyechan1485 Hedonists do stuff because it feels good, the Absurd Man does it because despite of the meaninglessness of everything, he cherishes his actions. This can be seen when Aha rises into Aeonhood - he witnesses the End of the Imaginary Tree, and despite it all, laughs.
@@mitralingreyman5835 Yeah exactly, he and the Masked Fools do stuff bc it feels good. Even just witnessing things. And he laughed bc he enjoyed it. That wasn't his action even.
@@mitralingreyman5835 Yeah exactly, so it is more Hedonism. They do it, the Masked fools too, because they enjoy it. Not because of free will to do stuff and cherish actions.
I don't believe in nihility as a guiding principle but damn I'd be a nihility pathstrider just because IX is so adorable
Read some Nietzsche and you might just join us on the path of Nihility.
The thing about nihilism is that understanding it is key to being optimistic. As long as you don't choose to stay in the dark of nihility, you'll always be able to find a light at the end of the tunnel.
Being a Doctor of Chaos sounds fun.
If there is anything, I think most of us players would realistically follow Path Of Nihility if we got isekai-ed to HSR World.
but xi is winne the pooh.
IX collects mommys
live sw reaction
Welt: 👍
@aloywong658 did he stutter?
Luka best mommy
@@shayaanm7122 She finna be a mommy after I meet her 😤
What Acheron talked about indicates IX feels that the universe is meaningless so much that they do not gaze at anyone unlike the other AEONS.
One becomes an Eminator of Nihility by Oure Happenstance. Fitting how they gaining the power was an Accident they didn't want and so part of the seemingly meaningless existence
Acheron has fallen deep into Nihility and managed to retain herself so I think it's less coincidence and more strength of will.
Power of motivation.
She still have a strand of color
Self-Annihilator : Gaze into the void too much or fallen into IX’s shadow
Doctors Of Chaos : Witness IX and have the new motivation which is to proved to the aeon themselves that life has a meaning
Device IX: ???
Interestingly Harmony does not cast their gaze either
Acheron being a emanator of nihility makes me think of Miyamoto Musashi and his book of “void”. Where he talks about nothingness being a state of enlightenment.
My favorite nihility lore was when the Annihilation gang wants to notice me sempai to Nanook they challenge IX because they want to kill an Aeon and they sees IX as lazy and looks the easiest. Aha even bless them and made them more convince they can do it. But Aha knew they will fail but did because it was funny to see.
"Nah, you'd win"
The Path itself is interesting to say the least but the thing that really makes it interesting is the fact that how deep it goes when it comes to the very nature of life and existence. "What is the meaning of all things?" or "Who are you at the end of it all?" or "what do i amount to?" all of these things amount to nothing in the face of Nihilism and entropy and most of these factions in the "shadow" of IX behaves in the way that reflects that actual notion of oblivion and self Annihilation. IX being the embodiment of this philosophical notion is scary.
1.Metaphysical Nihilism: This concept argues that nothing exists or has any intrinsic value. It posits that the universe is devoid of any ultimate meaning or purpose.
2. Existential Nihilism: This branch of nihilism focuses on the individual's experience of meaninglessness. Existential nihilism contends that life lacks inherent meaning, and individuals must confront this lack of meaning and create their own subjective meaning or purpose.
3. Moral Nihilism: Moral nihilism challenges the idea of objective moral truths or values. It suggests that moral principles are ultimately baseless or illusory, and there are no universal standards for ethical behavior.
4. Epistemological Nihilism: This concept questions the possibility of attaining knowledge or truth. Epistemological nihilism asserts that there are no justified beliefs or reliable methods for acquiring knowledge, leading to skepticism about the validity of any claims to truth.
5. Nihilistic Absurdism: This perspective, influenced by existentialism, acknowledges the inherent absurdity of existence and the human quest for meaning. It suggests that despite the apparent meaninglessness of life, individuals may still find purpose or fulfillment through the acceptance of this absurdity.
6. Optimistic nihilism: is a philosophical perspective that combines elements of nihilism with a more positive or hopeful outlook on life. While traditional nihilism tends to focus on the absence of inherent meaning or value in the universe, optimistic nihilism takes a different approach by embracing the idea that life is ultimately what you make of it. (Doctors of Chaos)
Don't get me started on "Cosmic Nihilism" that's a different beast in itself and just crippling.
I wonder if we will ever see a planet connected to/based on nihility. That would be crazy for lore
Would love that. Perhaps "Device IX" is a location.
Isnt it the planet where acheron came from? I think there a twin planet orbiting a blackhole
@@rednave4489 Pretty sure they've already been swallowed up by the black hole
@@novent1393Device IX got listed in “Factions” category instead though so probably not.
@@rednave4489Yes but too bad, both of them are already long gone.
Like the idea of an Aeon of Nihility itself, the Doctors of Chaos are contradictory. To have your life purpose be to convince the embodiment of Nihility itself that existence has meaning is basically an impossible quest, thus worthless. You have made a meaningless act into the reason of your existence, thus inscribing meaning into both. As for Self-Annihilators, it's back to Welt's quote: "Survive or be destroyed" and to survive you must forever struggle against Nihility or be rendered non-existent. An Aeon who denies meaning in all existence including its own should theoretically end itself, but since it cannot act then it must wait for others to end it or forever drag everything down with it. In that sense, a Self-Annihilator is the ultimate expression of IX. Someone who either automatically self-deletes, doing something IX might desire for itself or someone who must fight it to survive, leading to another impossible but ideal conclusion; the slaying of IX.
In the end though, this struggle and suffering is probably the meaning of life itself, and the meaning of Nihility. Truly the most contradictory of Aeons.
On a side note, while IX is indeed IX in all languages, the way Device IX is written in japanese and chinese is interesting because it's written in a way that implies 'IX' is a number... like the IXth Organization or IXth Device. I wonder if 'Nihility's End' ties into the things Aha saw.
It make sense their Called the Doctors of Chaos now, the not only want to save IX but they help Self-Annihilators as part of their Creed, like if the influence of Nihilism is conquered by mortals why can’t IX itself could.
That’s why I believe, IX’s form is just a cocoon, and IX will emerge as a totally different Aeon and Form a totally different path.
I'm pretty sure he just a sentient Black Hole...
Or maybe not create a path at all
As the whole path of nihility is but a cocoon in itself...
@@__Hanasei__Levinus__ Kakuna Matata 😂
I second Acheron’s opinion that IX does not gaze on anyone. If they did it would mean they assign meaning or significance to something or someone which goes against their whole existence
I like how the reason people don't approach or even see IX is most likely based off Lovecraftian Cosmic Horror if it actually exists. The only reason we know of cosmic horrors is because Lovecraft thought it up, because if those things ever do exist, we won't be able to research it and survive doing so.
I think we can look on nihility like on realism. Everything has its end. Also people may not be so important as they think of themselves.
When you realise it there is two paths - depression or accept it and live as you want.
I can understand nihility very well.
IX is a name that can be pronounced multiple different ways because it doesn't matter how you pronounce it so you can pronounce it however you want.
Also, nihilism can be that nothing you do matters, so it's what you do that matters
A great video since its sometimes hard to figure it all out since the lore is all over the place.
Of the 3 Nihility factions Device IX is the most facinating since no one even know if they even exist making it even more facinating when Acheron mentions it as a possible location.
I am curious though about something thats not really explained in the lore, and that is if all Self-annihilators are Emenators, couse Acheron definitely is, but are others the same or is it just a power level thing about how much they were exposed to IX?
The thing about Nihility is that its Nothingness at the same time is Everything. Everyone steps into Nihility once in a While. Like ACheron told Aventurine "Nihility is something we all Linger before choosing our own Path"
When we re discovering ourself and what we want we are Nihility because we are Nothing until we finally make a Choice to turn that Nothingness into Something. And I guess that's what happened to the Dr. Of Chaos although in a more extreme and a bit unhinge way.
We all were nothing until we came to existence. We will all enetually returne to that Nothingness but we just have to do the best with our Time like Acheron told Aventurine. Like our MC job as traiblazer "Is about the Journey, not its end"
Maybe the walls Qliphot is building are meant to hold back the influence of IX.
it's actually meant for oroboros
its meant for the ancient dragons.
Edit: Leviathans.
He already survived the ancient war of eons, I have no doubt that he will achieve it again. 😷
Possible, thought theres hints its meant to keep something out. Theres a lot of theories on it keeping out the honkai and stuff in the sea of quanta as well as a lot of speculations related to the leviathans or maybe even long forgotten aeons. Its unclear at the moment but qlipoth doesnt seem to be stopping anytime soon
While IX may seem dangerous since it's a void like being, IX is actually the most passive and peaceful Aeon in HSR, don't be on it's way and leave it alone you'll be good.
IX is so pookie 💕💅
IX my beloved
IX is so girl failure I love THEM 😍
IX is baby, love him
If part of the Path of Nihility is actually entropy itself, it seems possible that it could eventually absorb the Path of destruction, the way other Paths have been absorbed by a more general conceptual Path
according to self-anihilator data and the Pioneer relic it likely that IX isn't just a black hole but every black hole are connected to IX,so jump in a random black hole out there would always result in meet up with IX
of course only if you can survived from not turning into a spaghetti dish
I feel like the reason why Nihility, as a path, is so powerful is because every living thing is destined to nothingness, they were all nothing before existing, and death calls upon almost all (Xianzhou natives and similar races obviously don't die naturally).
On another note, one of the stories of Acheron is a note from a Doctor of Chaos about her that says she's different from other self annihilators, and I think the reason is Naught, her sword, keeping the memories she's losing and bringing them back to her when she unsheathes it. She might still be self annihilating, but it might be slower for her because of that.
Those are just little theories I have about Nihility and Acheron, more akin to head canon though (I don't want her to just cease to exist 😭).
Been waiting for your vids!!!!!
Been kinda sick lately but somehow managed to get this one out in time 😁
Wait? Wouldn't making IX accept its existence has meaning cause it to fall of its own path and disappear?
Knowing IX, THEY probably doubt that THEY have followers and a path that people thread on
The way I interpret it, there are two ways an Aeon can "gaze" at a mortal. One is a fleeting glance, like we experienced with Nanook at the start of the game and later with Qlipoth in the fight with Cocolia. The other is the full "gaze" of the Aeon, which is more like a blessing, and it can turn the mortal into an Emenator. That way IX could have glanced at many people who turn into Self-Annihalators or Doctors of Chaos, but Acheron is unique. IX has never truly blessed anyone, but she walked so far in it's shadow that she eventually became an Emenator of Nihility. That's why she says that THEY have never gazed on anyone. And it's why Acheron is "an Emenator that should not exist".
I think you could also be interested in the description of the curio "Tonic of Efficacious Chaos", its a curio related to the Doctors of Chaos 👀👀👀👀. And I'm so happy the self annihilators have their own entry in the Data Bank, they are veeery prominent in the Swarm Disaster event!!
Ah a fellow Doctor of Chaos it seems.
@@nyeffer9414 A masked fools, rather 🎭
@@KuroNoUsagi what if, the Elation and IX will merge into something greater than each other?
@@nyeffer9414 That would be an utter disaster Ixm willing to watch
@@nyeffer9414funnily enough, Aha did bless a group of people that tried to kill IX but failed
I theorise IX and its pathstriders have the power to change fate by destroying it,since its ideology of nihilism is objectively incorrect if the imaginary tree has a preset fate/timeline for every one in every universe
That's why aventurine is scared shitless by acheron,if she is seperate from predetermined fate then aventurines luck (which is just fate) then she can stop him and his plans simply by existing,it would also explain why he thinks she's a finality emmenator since they would naturally have a similar ability due to finality having control over time
Theory could be bust if I'm misremembering some things,but i think it makes sense for IX to able to "force" nihilism by destroying fate/the future
Even herta explicitly forbids interacting with IX in SU.
Me with kafka, black swan in tow: nihility go brrrrrrrrr
Funny how I imagine the patch we get nihility on mc is by accidentally interacting with it and ignoring Herta's instructions, and, boom, we are nihility now 😅
IX, and thanks to acheron's words, is probably more akin to the scientific concept of Entropy from the 2nd law of thermal dynamics. Basically, all things will naturally fall to the path of Nihility, it is the end of all things via normal means, While Nanook and the path of destruction is the active destruction of things, like detonating a bomb destroys the surrounding landscape (though with the anti-matter legion it would be the complete destruction of matter).
IX's shadow influence kind of reminds of Shady Yokais from Yokai Watch.
Basically, when an individual is in the effect radius of a Shady Yokai, they (the person) will be influenced by the Shady Yokai's "beliefs", to simply put. If the Shady Yokai believes it's not worthy of existing, then the influenced individual would also feel that way.
The amount of mtg art caught me off-guard lmao, but I ain't complaining. Good taste!
watching this at 3 am farming for acheron made me have a existential crisis
Love ur content. Keep it up!
Now that i come to think of it
Its probably better to not follow the path of nihility because being a self-annihilator seems like suffering but hey atleast if your lucky enough to be an emanator then you get to be cool i guess
Doctors of chaos sounds cool tho
Self-Annihilator didn’t become the followers of Nihility by their wills or themselves in first place though and I think Doctors Of Chaos is by the most comfortable faction to join in if you ask me. (We don’t know enough about Device IX so no comment on that)
A lot of self-annihilators dont open choose to follow it though, they just experience something traumatic or something that changes their view on life or happened upon IX itself. So you could perhaps still be someone like a doctor of chaos or maybe the device IX.. if they exist that is
It's not suffering, it's more like, losing all your emotions. You end up having zero empathy. You lose humanity, you just live as a tool. You can see how Kafka found purpose only when she met Elio, bcs he uses her as a tool, and she feels like she can find meaning in her life like that, bcs she lost interest in it herself.
3:30 depicting IX with the image of 40k's Tyranid Hivemind is a bold move considering that the latter bears greaters resemblance to Tazzynroth than IX.
Its was more in reference to the fact that IX's shadow is said to encompass every corner of the universe and for some reason that hive mind image came to mind immediately 😂
Just a thought I had on hearing the phrase "The Doctors of Chaos looked on IX in its totality." I wonder if the secret to what separates the Doctors of Chaos from the Self-Annihlators is that the Doctors look upon IX and see that it isn't limitless. They see that while the depression and despair are overwhelming and powerful, it has an end and thus will not go on forever. I could see that insight as a catalyst to turning the despair of seeing existence as meaningless into perceiving that even that meaninglessness has limits. Just a thought.
Thats interesting, instead of nothingness being limitless seeing IX proves to them at least the nothingness is finite and that is enough to think positively. That could be how the doctors cope or reason their viewpoint
imagine clinical depression as a sentient being
Megumi being an Emanator of Nihility 😂😂😂
He is pretty depressed right now so hey
Meanwhile Sukuna would be a follower of Voracity (Nanook the Destruction may reject him since he destroys for fun like the Annihilation Gang)
He was the first person that came to mind 😂
fyi, IX isn't a nebula, it's a black hole
Youre right, he just reminds me of a nebula given in the myriad celestia trailer he looks like a cloud of floating stuff 😁
I think its more likely that someone who realizes there is no meaning and by pure random chance IX is gazing at that direction in the universe will gain path striding or emanator powers
Are Pathstriders and Follows ultimately different? As Sampo is a nihility character but follows Aha. I am just curious.
Existence is a prison?
*Endsinger has entered the chat*
The side effects of exposure to IX are also somewhat described by Firefly. Makes me wonder...
We came to penacony for harmony, but im pretty sure were leaving with nihility 😂
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Lol , bro reads jjk , goated channel just for that alone
Now if only someone can figure out how to beat sukuna.. come to think of it, the despair the "good guys" are going through.. Sukuna follows IX confirmed? 😂
@@Maevix3142 jokes aside , i think sukuna may follow the path of Voracity ?
His character is about strength and consuming , and hes canonically a cannibal , what do you think?
There is no inherent meaning to anything in existence, but it is you yourself who gives things meaning by the thing you define them as.
Fun fact : no one actualy follow the path of nhility in lore, never intentionnaly, just like XI himself never intentionnaly chose people as emanators
tbh, i feel both factions do fall really well with some real world views of nihilism.
some people do fall into that “life is meaningless and therefore not worth living” (akin to the effects imposed on self annihilators) or “life is meaningless therefore i will make my own meaning” (more akin to the doctors of chaos, their meaning being to find IX’s meaning)
but this view is ofc subjective, and about the doctors of chaos specifically, if i had the oportunity to ask sth to that faction:
does nothingness truly want a meaning? does it even hold sentience enough to desire it? is it not in its definition itself that _Nothing_ has _No Meaning_ and therefore by giving it one you strip it of its identity? does this not kill IX (or what they stand for at least)?
i really love when themes in games get a bit philosophical, i think mayhaps
Pls make more of these videos, I’m literally confused 😭😭😭 I’m very bad at catching the meaning of the cutscenes and story
No worries, half the time I dont get whats going on either. Ill make them though watch with care as even I will get things wrong sometimes 😂
Im js ganna comment before watching the video, the doctors of chaos follow IX because they want to prove life is worth living to it, they’re essentially IX’ therapist lol
I actually like IX and nihility as a whole, i guess i would be a self-destructor as well lol
2:28 can somebody point where exactly this is said, please?
can you make a video about how Acheron became nihility emanating and why
I have a video coming out that discusses that though not exactly about her being an emanator 😁
The way i see it if their is no inherent meaning to existence the one must Either make their own personal meaning or surrender to meaninglessness, i believe currently it is this realisation of personal meaning Being Invaluable in the face of their being no Grand Meaning Behind All Existence which which makes the doctors of chaos Effectively not become a self annihilator because they've made a More Personal Realisation and Experience then any Definitive and absolute truth could provide and as such the answer to the Question of life has no Meaning then why does life exists becomes because in spite of all its meaninglessness in the grand scheme it has Developed Emotions Memories and Individuality effectively transforming from the dust of the world into an independent being and as an independent being its meaning is that which it must define for itself, and if one still defines their self Meaning as Nothingness/meaninglessness then they become a self annihilator swallowed by nihilism
Think Acheron might've been exposed to Dr. Primitive Device IX
No, she said she want to reach Nihility's end aka device IX
Man , I wonder how powerful are members of the Device IX
Assuming they exist of course 🤔
I'll paths will inevitably lead to finality
nihility numba wan,but my phone denied it
Eye ex, my beloved
Well imo Nihilty being all encompassing is just because at some point, conscious beings realize at some point that life has no meaning but never allowing it guide their life. But when they do allow it to lead their life, does one truly walk the path of nihility
More like they come to a Feeling or seeming realization that life has no meaning if for moments. But God's glory life is not meaningless.
Still. Nihility covers all. For the feeling that life feels meaningless will always weigh under everyone. Like Gravity
I also think acheron lost her left eye due to being a self anihilator. Theres a lot of cases of people whose eyes turn white after becoming blind. It is hard to see acherons second eye but when you can catch a glympse of it, it seems white. So she might also be half blind due to her body losing functions.
That’s an interesting thought but in her trailer you can see her left eye. Although that’s in her normal state. Maybe her left eye could be different when she’s using her sword
Oh really? I didn’t see that. Which trailer?
the doctors of chaos are kinda sweet
They think positively 😁
Basically there are two paths or schools of thought for nihility. Both sides believe that there is no meaning to life and existence is pointless.
But what you do with that information is important. Followers of the Doctors of Chaos believe that just because life is pointless, it leaves one free to create their own meaning in life. You have no higher purpose to follow or goal to achieve other than things you see value in yourself. That life is beautiful in it's pointlessness which is what they're trying to teach to IX.
The other side is the usual if life is pointless why bother doing anything which is where self annihilators currently stand.
IX is just in their flop era
Nihility sound like my depression every weekend 💀
Nihilism itself is an ironic mindset: Everything people hold dear is meaningless at the gaze of the enviable finality of the end. But it doesn't mean that it'll eventually fall into the abyss. It means that in spite of what will come, it's still out there, the past is pointless to ponder about the choices made and what lead you to this point; similar about the future is uncertain, so it's worthless to try and change what will eventually come, but as you live here and now has meaning and what you'll do with it is up to you.
TL;DR: To prove that something is meaningless; that you have known it's purpose or reason it exists.
IX envelopes all in its shadow and walking in-between the horizon, you would surely gaze back into the abyss, and that's how IX would gaze back at you. It is shapeless, so it can be whatever and it's pointless to think of what it'll take.
I wonder how did ix ascended to aeonhood?
probably it just become so apathetic it ascend to aeonhood just like Aha
I there is one path that rejects nihility completely and if Qlipoth wins well I guess nihility would still win coz it would mean the annihilation of nihility itself. or maybe two, abundance as well. or maybe there used to be more, Permanence and Propagation. Or who knows, maybe if Ruan Mei truly ascends to aeonhood... her goals ultimately excludes nihility. Ruan Mei is trying to breakdown the meaning of life and existence. but then again everything may be considered nihilistic in one way or another... balance will always prevail i guess so that means HooH is the one true aeon hahaha jk
As someone who knows Welt entire lore, belief and worldview, seeing him being in the Nihility path feels like a contradiction to his character.
That doesn't disprove of welt being a nihility. Look at acheron, she was someone who just wanted to protect her world and yet became a nihility. feels like a contradiction, right?
We know now that Welt is currently threading the path of Trailblaze but we cannot be sure of what path he was taking before meeting with HSR Himeko and the Express.
This one is just pure assumption but it might be ever since he succeeded his godly powers to another person before leaving Hi3 universe, he willingly chose aging/'atrophy' but unknowingly fulfilled a condition of the path of nihility when he stepped inside the HSR universe.
Edit:TLDR; despite having a very meaningful life and a powerful existence in Hi3, he chose to abandon it for the sake of a 'stranger' in another universe. He surrendered himself to a meaningless journey(from Hi3's perspective)
My favourite aeon :)
whens the Trailblazer gonna fall into a black hole lol
We kind sorta saw that happen in the simulated universe when the MC ran into IX
I have a question would it be possible to a person to gain multiple power from different Eons.
No. You can only walk on one path at a time. If the paths of two Aeons overlap, they generally fight and the loser is absorbed.
Yes, it's literally what is happening to Trailblazer, though it seems they are the only ones capable of it as of now
@@sweatygoblin2335that only happens with aeons whose paths are very similar. That's what happened to Ena the Order.
Because Xipe and Ena have lots of similar ideologies within their path, the loser disappears from existence, which in that scenario was Ena.
The MC also happens to be one of the characters able to gain the powers of various aeons, so it's probably possible.
They technically follow the path of trailblaze or might even be the trailblaze themself. Despite this he was given the powers of Qilipoth and
(spoilers)
The current story seems to suggest that the MC will be blessed by the Harmony as well, simply by the fact that he's able to see clockie.
Edit: It might not be Xipe it could also be the Equilibrium that fought for their place as an aeon. I forgot which aeon it was that took Ena's place.
@@Aqua_Mp4 I'm fairly sure the Trailblazer is an exception to the rule, because there are zero other people that can do the same thing. Not only that, but TB still only follows one path at a time, they can just switch at will.
Normal people can switch paths too, but it takes a massive event that effectively changes their outlook on life. It's not an active choice, since the path you're on is determined by your personal philosophy.
@@sweatygoblin2335 It's very true that the TB is an exception. But that's not to say it's impossible, especially since the story right now isn't that developed/long enough. There might be people out there somewhere in the cosmos who have been blessed by two different paths and can switch at will like TB can.
However with that said, the MC doesn't seem to actually have any personally philosophy besides trailblazing, figuring out his purpose, hence the name "trailblazer." Yet they're still blessed by multiple aeons.
As of now, they can't use all the powers they've collected at once, but it's in the future it could be possible.
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I guess, in a sense your very much right that a person can tread only one path at once (currently), but they can still be blessed by other aeons even if they tread on a specific path. It could also be targeted to specific path followers such as the trailblaze and that only followers of the trailblaze have the opportunity to be blessed by multiple aeons or something.
IX just like me frfr
I don't think "Follow" is the right word, they "Fall" into the shadow of Nihility
“There’s no purpose in life”😢
“There IS NO purpose in life”🕺🕺
Since there is no purpose at all, you can make one. You can choose which ever matter you the most. You are free. I believe in this philosophy.
Me: no. I wont follow u. Nihility: i've got the prettier girls. Me: suddenly i like nihility
The path of Nihility is quite the opposite of what you said at the beginning. It's about resistant the pull of IX, you can see it by technically all character.
Luca does his best to be becon of hope for people of Underworld even if it means getting beaten by Robo dad to make dead kid wish come true.
Kafka quite literally tells us her wish is to find meaning in life and learn fear
While Acheron failed to resist the pull and ended up in IX's shadow. But she menage to survive and became an emenetor instead of being erased, but as a price, she became self-annihilator.
This is why people who say "game path =/= lore path" are dumb as fuck
I know IX
He is a friend, his real name is bob, he likes sandwichs
This is a complete spoiler, but...
I like how Acheron looks at IX and Nihility. If everything is pointless, then why should the pointlessness of everything be exempt from that? Why is it not also pointless for everything to be pointless? That's probably why she's able to keep most of her faculties in spite of her memory loss. Because she's more attuned to the path by this understanding.
So I watch a HSR and Warhammer 40K Vid Essay now?
Yes, I tend to include a lot of different stuff from other things I like, think of them as easter eggs 😂
Maybe im a follower of Nihility
Nihility is based in the IRL Nihilism. And since nihilism is pronounced ‘9lism’, I think Device 9 is the correct way to say it.
I prefere Iks as pronounciation, but it's pointless to argue over it
Thats the pronounciation id been using up till this point, but safer to just follow how the ingame characters say them 😁
Nihilists?
That’s basically the path of Nihility be like
Doctor of Chaos: Life has meaning
IX: …
Giving IX therapy is meaningless
and therefore, worthless
Which is why it's ironic, since they still do it anyway.
and why destruction and finality and the ouroboros vorism mean anythign diffrent? they all lead to same thing eh? irl nihhility would be nihhilist athiest and JWs., along with some other belief systems.
I think destruction and the finality are completely different concepts. Destruction just wants to destroy things, and there must be new things after destruction. The finality will not destroy anything, it will just go back to the past from the future and convey Future intelligence, his existence proves that the universe will eventually return to nihility
Nanook's purpose is to destroy itself, while the ouroboros' purpose is to satisfy desire to eat, just like breeding is just to produce bugs, destruction is just one of the consequences they bring.
@@user-fd4yf2dy3iyeah, the concept of destruction seems closer to entropy. Also worth noting that destruction for the sake of sadistic fun or revenge only doesn't align with the path's philosophy in Nanook's eyes.
And about paths seemingly overlapping, in the game itself it's stated that mortal knowledge hasn't developed enough to know what makes seemingly similar paths different enough not to assimilate each other, and that the words currently used to name the paths may not even be accurate descriptors of what they entail
Why don't my replies show up lmao I ain't even writing swear words
Who follows Nihility? Mommies
IX is MOHG, he doesn't care about anything except shoutas
Ix is mommy issue 💅
Aoens are ideals in absolute, so they are inherently bad
I personally like to think they are sort of in a grey area and its the followers that define the line of good and bad
Lmao I’d be the best nihility character 😂
How come?
Haahaahahaha dude just sit there and do nothing as a god wtf
And yet it consumes entire worlds and civilisation, without even doing anything
For real
Despite not doing anything its one of the most dangerous things in the universe. Whats funny is that if it did put in some effort you might think hed be even more dangerous but wouldnt that mean it goes against being lazy 😂. So the less IX does the stronger they are
I follow this aeon i guess
The fact that youre unsure seems to make you a good fit 😂