FNaF Theory: We were WRONG about BURNTRAP! (Security Breach)
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Hey hey all you FNaF Nerds, here we are back at it again with Part 2 of our Final Tales Deep-dive before Ruin... atleast hopefully considering there's NO SIGHT of Ruin & we're already a Week into July, so hopefully Ruin drops in the next few days or so before I get another Video ready to ship. Thanks to Tiger Rock, we got a lot of new Info on The Mimic, helping to confirm a lot of the things we thought about it & even some hints at what might happen to it in the future, so make sure to stay Tuned for Tales 8! - Austin
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Man, tell you what, I usually like drawing parallels to solve the lore but with TFTP books, its pretty certain that we left Fazbear Frights era and it is no longer just parallels that are conveyed through the books. I was so sick of parallel-tube and parallel-tubers but your videos has been coming in clutch lately. Thank you for keeping the lore clean
Another thing to mention, the plot holes in tales are ALL directly based on ages and dates.
Specifically the two things we KNOW scott and his writers have serious issues keeping track of and are constantly messing up on accident.
Charlies age is repeatedly changed in the novels.
Susies age is changed in "Coming home".
Detective larsons age changes in the Stitchwraith epilogues.
This is a known issue scott has, i don't understand how people haven't picked up on this trend yet.
Yeah, one of the big ones is, countless hours expended trying to figure out whether Elizabeth or the Crying Child were killed first, and how to explain all the contradictions that result based on which one you pick... when actually, the best explanation is that Scott just messed up the continuity a bit.
@@FTZPLTC its because the real answer is Charlie died first.
Henry says she dies first, and all continuities treat her as the first victim.
Then CC dies
And then Elizabeth dies last
@@Skibbutz - I would argue that CC, Charlie, Elizabeth makes more sense in terms of William's motivation, as it feels like a more logical progression and escalation to go from accidental death, to an impulsive kill, to him actually making animatronics designed to kill.
Buuuuut I would only argue that because it's narratively satisfying. I think any order requires someone to ignore/dismiss at least *some* evidence, and that's fine.
@@FTZPLTC we've been given Williams motives multiple times, nothing has ever supported the idea that he was a greiving father who snaps.
All fnaf media depicts william as a heartless, abusive, evil bastard. His very soul is described as nothing short of demonic in the Frights.
William kills because he enjoys doing it. He killed Charlie because he was an obsessive, jealous, freak who couldn't handle Henry being happy and successful, so he killed Charlie to make himself feel better, because he wanted to feel power, and because he enjoys inflicting suffering onto others.
This is his consistent characterization and motivations throughout the whole franchise. Idk where the idea that he was a good person at one point came from.
@@Skibbutz - I don't think it's ever implied that he was *good* person. That's not what I'd be seeking to do by identifying an inciting incident.
My question would more be: if Afton is just a guy who likes killing children... why, narratively, does this include his *own* children?
Narratively, Afton killing Charlie because of rage over when happened to his son does make some sense. If you swap them around, Afton kills Charlie just because he's an asshole... and then his son dies in a more or less unrelated accident.
Like, in terms of causality and continuity, that's fine, but in a story that's very economical with what events it shows us, it's kind of weird to show the CC's death if it was just one of the dozen or so deaths that happened around Afton and didn't really impact events. IMO, it makes a lot more sense to show those events if they have a greater impact on the story as a whole.
If the games showed every child's death in the kind of detail that the CC's death is shown, I'd be more willing to accept that he just died in an accident and it doesn't really matter. And tbh, at that point, I'd be wondering if the CC is even William's son at all, because there wouldn't be any narrative reason for him to be. But that would make a huge mess of the story as a whole.
Unironically, Matpat wouldn't have such a headache with SB if he just stopped trying to justify Parallels, Gregbot or Charlie for some random reason. I'm shocked he never even looked at the epilogues in his latest theory. TalesGames is a huge breath of fresh air from all that. Anyways very nice video! I agree with most of it. The only thing I disagree with is how Burntrap gets the Springtrap suit. Based on the fact that the suit appears to be bolted and screwed on, I think it's more likely that either Vanny took the pieces of a Springtrap suit(We know there's one in Pressure) or created it herself and attached it to Burntrap. Plus I'm not sure if The Mimic can get springlocked since it's made of metal.
I dont know if vanny pick up some parts of springtrap from ar, and remodeled it to fit into mimic endo
It does legit bug me when so many FNAF theories boil down to saying which dead, no-longer-canon character every new character "is", in no well defined way.
And dont even begin with consistent design characters, because after every game they have a retcon in the design *coughs* scraptrap *coughs*
I do agree Vanny has to be involved with how Burntrap looks in SB, but I think there's still a possibility for the suit to show up in the epilogue.
Remember, the reason Springlock suits are fatal is because when a person inside, the suit's endoskeleton can basically collapse onto that person. Now, what would happen if another robot tried to climb inside a springlock suit? We've never seen this happen before, for obvious reasons, but what if the springlock endoskeleton crushes the mimic's endoskeleton, causing it to fall apart.
That would give the Tales Epilogue storyline closure, give Lucia an opportunity to "win," against all odds, and lastly, sets up the plotline where Vanny goes down to the Pizza Place. It would explain why Burntrap is in such a bad condition during Security Breach, why he has a combination of mix-matched endoskeleton parts, and why all of the costume parts are bolted onto him. Vanny was trying to rebuild his body after, presumably, Lucia defeats him. It would also make it 100% clear that Mimic = Burntrap, and given we're debating it at the end of the series, would make perfect sense to do at the very end.
Mimic could have crawled inside Springtrap's remains
You forgot my favorite proof Edwin isn't Henry:
Mimic KNOWS about Henry.
In Tiger Rock, Mimics simulation of the Pizzaplex has RASCs from FFPS replacing staff bots, with one specifically named Henry.
I don't read books I'll let u guys do the work
Awesome video, I'm glad someone made a video discussing this, also I would like to point out a greater issue with mimic getting into Kelly being a parallel to mimic getting into William and the springtrap suit.....it's logistically impossible. William's body is already fused with springtrap's endo in the springyrap suit, for mimic or whatever burntrap's endo supposedly would be to get into William and the springtrap suit the mimic endo would have get inside it with springtrap's endo already inside, meaning there wouldn't be room for mimic, and on top of that, for mimic to fuse with William's corpse it would have to fuse with springtrap's endo which William is already fused with, which is impossible, the only other way would be for mimic to take of the springtrap suit, un fuse William's body with it's endo then fuse William's body onto itself, and then put the springtrap suit, which is ridiculous.
If TalesGames is correct, then this opens up a whole new window for the possibility of StitchlineGames because lf “Frailty,” “Animatronic Apocalypse,” and “Lally’s Game.”
If you stop to think: what if mimic is burn trab, because he is 2 steps away: 1 is getting his eyes black and 2 springlocked (mostly impossible). But taking those 2 steps out and adding an extra step, maybe mimic got controled by willian, and because the body was already fucked up with half corpse and half endo he decided to make mimic his new body. Then vanny helped to rebuild some of the suit, tryng to make it as close to spring trap as she cold, and willian just used mimic as his new body
I can totally see the evidence for this and I'm inclined to agree. The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is that, narratively speaking, the mimic climbing into the corpse of a random girl that was just introduced in a random book that only the most hardcore fans will ever read feels cheaper than, say, the mimic actively seeking and finding William Afton's corpse and intentionally using it to become Springtrap. It feels more "meaningful", in a sense. But hey, it's FNAF, when did stuff ever make full sense? 😂
well... Many peiople agree that using the books to fill the blank is not the best idea. I'm in the state of mind that all the information we need should be in the games. but this is not the case. Scott, Andrea and Elly chooses to use the book for some reason. all we have to do is accept it with salty face
@@tomast7339 When was the information we needed ever "all" in the games, even before Security Breach? What about all the clues Scott planted on his website (including famously the three clues revealed during MatPat's livestream)? What about Mike's Survival Logbook that gave us Cassidy's name and other crucial pieces of information? It's been years now that FNAF is a cross-media franchise. Information about the lore has always come from multiple sources. Now they're just making it way more explicit than it used to be.
@@Merione Ok you' are so right here. but there is a difference between using a website and one single book to buying 22 books (12 FF, 9 TALES and 1 logbook) to fill the lore. I mean, I can see why some people would not be motivated by that and will great just summaries on the wiki
Very intresting. I can see this theory. I appreciate you applying your knowledge of the series to create this theory and enlighten us! Very nice!
I don’t care about the books are canon or not debate I just want Ruin to confirm if they are or not
Seems like a perfect set up to me.
I honestly believe that they are doing this mimic story just because of the backlash they got from bringing William back.
This Plotline was written before Help Wanted
not possible at all
a leaked metadata shows that Scott pitched and begin to work on the TALES books since 2019 before the first SB teaser was shown on his website. and the first half of FF books were already written between 2017 to 2018. So the Mimic was not made after the backlash (and it's also mean that Andrew was in Scott's mind during UCN development. which means that Andrew pretty much was planned to be the mad spirit at the time)
@@tomast7339That doesn't mean that Andrew is canon to the games now,because Scott at that time didn't know he would have to write 11 books
@@tomast7339Also,UCN debunks AndrewTOYSNHK,because of the voice we hear in the secret mediocre melodies voicelines
@@tomast7339It's very suspect for me seeing traces of Eleanor in Tales 1-4.Maybe Eleanor would play an important role in SB? Also,why the mimic only got mentioned in book 5?
okay, so I had a little fun theory.We know that the mimic1 program can exist at multiple places, right? And that one of these places is as an isolated entity in the VR game, Glitchtrap, most likely cut from the mimic1 hive as a whole. And while the mimic endoskeleton is doing its rampage, the isolated glitchtrap virus recognizes what it saw in the past (MCI etc...) and decides to disguise as William Afton, to match his environment. He kills jeremy, then posesses vanessa... We know.
The most logical thing it would do is trying to get back its body, finally being free to keep his hide and seek game going (SB reference) and upon seeing his body covered in a corpse and a burnt rabbit suit, perhaps he mistook himself for William, as if, he lost his body and when he got it back it's litterally a double of Springtrap, from the flesh to the bunny suit. So it understood that what he was supposed to mimic was always... Yes! the man behind the hide and seek! William!
Lines of code can be copied, it's not conciousness like the one we think about. So, it may be that mimic are several hivemind working isolatedly. Also, Thinking of the endos without a suit, im sure that's mimic1 program is inside of them. That's why they're actively searching and attacking.
Super awesome video. I really enjoyed how you tackled this subject.
very nice austin you owe me 20$
you are a based king for stating how EdwinParallel is completely headcanon
Since the mimic is burn trap. That means that Henry's fire did technically work, it did destroy afton
The Baobab Tree was Removed before the Actual Events in SB take Place, Meaning, As Gregory, We would have Never Seen This.
I think it’s possible that only the catalogue part of FNAF6 is an in universe game
I doubt you will see this, sir. But you are correct. Henry created Balloon Boy and the like while Edwin created Trash and the Gang. In fact, I think after Charlie died, Henry disappeared (may have been killed) and Fazbear Entertainment Inc bought out Edwin and his company to do what Henry couldn't.
I did indeed see this.
Wasnt she wearing a blue dog costume? It seems odd to not have any of that costume left even if vanny took the time to meticulously remove it and replace it with rabbit parts. If there was an unknown strip of blue or something on the exoskeleton I'd buy it but it seems goofy.
Love this video! You got a new subscriber and been watching your other videos too. I’m also planning to make a video about why I think Gregory isn’t a robot. I was wondering if you have any input on this theory?
Make sure to read GGY, that's where you'll find your most important information.
Other than that, Gregory being a robot would depend on Mike still being alive which we can't be sure of currently.
Good luck!
@@Under_Score Thank you for your input! I’ll make sure to read it! Making sure I get the details down! Thanks! 😁
What I don't understand is, why tell parallels if you can just...tell it as it is?
I FOUND SOMETHING Funtime freddy has 3 layers in his mask the colourful layer that opens the gray metal layer that opens and the Yenndo but in sb the blob doesn’t have the yenndo part however he does have a Glamrock endoskeleton. In the books they say the mimic was in the FNaF 6 building under the Pizzaplex and maybe the Blob could be the mimic.
Bro actually thinks there’s gonna be 2 more epilogues
Oh wait I knew 9 was announced but forgot it could be Felix the shark type crap FRICK
5:55 And guess what? The mimic didn't fuse with Kelly's corpse ,and he was springlocked in a jester costume
Also,the Burntrap ending got retconed,and Burntrap might not even exist anymore
People are so pushy with calling the books canon. I like this theory, I do, but I hate this mentality, I don't even want to go on the fnaf theory subreddit because if I post a idea that doesn't line up to the books (Which aren't confirmed canon, they make directly represent the canon, but the only confirmation was from a scrapped advert by scholastic.) I'll be crucified and called a fool.
After seeing what Ruin brought us, I'm waiting for the "Tales are parallels" copium skyrocketing. 😂
Regardless of the outcome I think we can all agree on one thing: We shouldn't have to solely rely on books for the lore.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the books but man they should not be our only way of understanding the story of the games.
Hopefully after Tales this becomes less of a problem.
It's definetly become a problem now that we dont have scott's insane release schedule
@@BigLesbian Crazy to think that 4 games released within the span of a year or so. Wild times back then.
@@hudsonthejojo2825 We were eating good and we didnt know it
The Mimic is actually 2 steps away. The eyes need to be black.
I don’t by Kelly being Burntrap
i want hugs you oc bunny/rabbit 😊
imagine if he doesn't, and he just gets crushed by a rock, wasting everyone's time
#MIMICSWEEP
Wait min...
I've seemed there Burntrap's Body Endo looks like same glamrock nightmare Endo.
I think you’re kind of misrepresenting RyeToast’s theories. While I do disagree with them on the idea of Henry being the person who made the Mimic, that’s pretty much where they say the differences end. They agree that Burntrap and Glitchtrap are the Mimic, they just personally think the Mimic specifically has Afton’s corpse, which is… not that big a deal. Yeah, there’s a shit ton less dead people, but they still think the Mimic is Burntrap, so… who cares. They think there’s a handful of differences, and that’s about it.
_NOW, MATPAT AND FUHNAFF, CHRIST, THEY’RE INSANE._
The mimic dous not where her he where's the suit and crusher her and the corpese looks put on the endo through surgery so it can not be her body on burntrap
Burntrap isn't Mimic
If you observe his model ingame, you can see that there is remnant leaking out of Burntraps eyes and nose. His suit looks like it is made out of flesh and the corpse part looks grown onto the suit, William was shown to have an ability to grow flesh on animatronics in the books. Burntrap moves and acts differently from Mimic, he's slow and twitchy like a zombie. Burntrap has some bone fingers, which makes zero sense if he was the Mimic. Burntrap can control animatronics like William and when he does that their eyes turn purple which is a clear sign of William, Mimic doesn't have this ability, he just has a weird electronic signature.
There is too much signs of William in Burntrap, although it would be fair to say that Burntrap is using Mimic's endo, just modified and controlled by William
1. Tales show us mimic is AI and Agony only thats it
2. HAVE YOU READ THE BOOKS AS A PERSON WHO HAS READ THE BOOKS AFTON HAS NEVER GREW FLESH ON ANYONE
Given that Burntraps left hand is similar to Mimic’s left hand is I interesting, but given that both endos look different is 2 things.
A: They are truly 2 different entities.
B: They are both the same, it’s just updated features?
This series has literally spoon-fed us direct information, so I don't understand why it has to be so complicated for some people. No hate, but still, I just don't understand it at all.
why do you look like Bonny
cause
Lil bro doesn’t know the books aren’t connected to the games
They very much are "lil bro"
I'm decently sure that the body inside Burntrap is William's, or at least partially. Burntrap has parts from Springtrap, and by that I mean the endo torso is literally identical, which I noticed when looking at both models without the suits side by side.
I'm not exactly doubting that Burntrap is the Mimic; maybe Vanny wanted to keep as many original parts of William as possible, so replaced the Mimic's head and torso.
Nope
There still a difference between burntrap and mimic, burntrap has a burnt skull
Mimic can put on a skull
Ugh do not take that
My take of it:
At this point I don't think we should discuss if the books are canon to the games or "just parallel" after the publishers confirmed the books are inside the games
the thing is that people just don't like the idea of the books inside the games so they find a way t ocope out with some things. I guess because of StitchlineGames since the taels books confirmed that Eleanor is in the games too. and if Lucia find a spring bonnie suit in the next epilogue, and it's going to be empty, it's pretty much would add more fuel to the stitchlinegaems theory since... you know... the corpse was taken out of the spring suit
and Scott never said a word about parallels. the "parallels" is a thing the fans came with. Scorr said the opposite thing: some of the stories are directly connected t other games. and guess what, many FF stories tells lore information. ITP reveal the date of MCI (and TALES killed MCI83 twice). The epilogue tells us what is Shadow Bonnie. CH tells us that split spirits is a thing (which explain how the souls of the MCI were inside Ennard but chased William at the same time). TMIR1280 tells us who the mad spirit is (Andrew and not Cassidy, which is why the mad spirit is being referred as a male)
as for the dates and ages problem, it's same as Pretty Little Liars. the creators did not paid too much attention to numbers. if you were fans of PLL, you'll know what I mean
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It's going to feel so good when the dlc proves the books aren't canon, the amount of snark is insane
And what if tales proves the books are canon?
and what if the tales proves it? (even though it's already been proven)
Oh boy, if is true, jelifish babies is confirmed into fnaf lore 💀
@@Wizardjones69 the whole debate is tales being in the games timeline or not. Frights is something completely seperate.
@@Ms_Pinballthe jelly babies are from Tales.
Also if the tales are canon then The Stitchline is also canon because "Frailty" is a sequel to TBB
Promo'SM
Honestly, Security Breach was such a massive messup that I think everyone has just gone a bit cooky. Realistically, Security Breach left alot of little lore points around the place without a reason. The reason is to be determined later via novels, dlcs and futher games. It's why I think until Ruin we cannot solve shit, cus that will be the first proper time we will see these left around lore points used properly. It reallly doesn't help that we dont have a solid foundation on what fnaf 1-6 had going on and the books being soo weirdly written and all over place is undeeded complexity.
I wish the recent fnaf lore guide book was scott sitting down and stating the facts and confirming stuff. The fact that we have no clue who we plays as fanf 1-4 is stupid, the fact that we dont know if Golden Freddy is real or has 2 spirits or if who they were death is important, is just really insane. I wish that rather than let everything spiral out of control we can get some kind of solid base set down. We are sitting ontop 6 games balanced loosely whilst a giant mess was chucked ontop. I geuinely don't think any decent story can be produced atm because nothing is know for sure and the more we get the more we are going insane
That's the point. It sounds like you just don't like FNAF.
@@aishisufuyu5961 I do, but its gotten way too messy to actually work well. But I gues pointing out serious flaws means I hate something
@@BigLesbian It's just kinda how fnaf has always been, but i get that it's a bigger issue now.
It's always been making a game and sprinkle it with potential plot points without any real structure, essentially scott was just an idea's guy for his own series and the community had to write the script. He's also always left a lot of those plot points and idea's in additional media even at the beginning, usually his site(s).
He took a more hands on approach with the story in SL and pizza sim (and maybe fnaf 4) and while that did give actual answers, it also left a lot of things more confusing than ever and gave a very different picture from what the community made story was, for better or for worse.
Afterwards things went back to "sprinkling potential plot points and ideas" instead of telling a story but since the games are bigger and buggier, its just a lot more annoying
The only time scott has actually written a story for FNAF is in the books, which kinda shows how much of an "amazing storyteller" he really is
The problem with the explanation is its dramatically incorrect.
It makes the "big" reveal at the end of Security Breach's "true" ending into a random endo with some irrelevant backstory. It explains none of the plot secrets of the pizzaplex, and provides no interesting antagonist for the future. Its a *worse* ending than the previous interpretation.
That sounds like opinion over informaton
@Under_Score honestly
At this point with how this series has gone
The cool factor is more important than lore...
@@pizzaisneat"Badly written Scenario" mf when real life is not so interesting when played out
@@luitr what
This is not true
The concept of the mimic still pisses me off. I would have much rather prefer that William (as glitchtrap) had taken control of an endo, went to his previous body, put on the pieces of corpse/sprinlock suit that were left, and then boom Burntrap
In all honesty, the mimic makes this shit way too complicated
Love meeting fellow Mimic haters
I know the FNAF books were always messy but I liked them since they never were directly canon with the games. But then comes the Tales books and the horde of MatPat haters who completely eat up the nonsense in those books only because it's being set up as canon 🙄 Fazbear Frights and the Silver Eyes trilogy at least tried to tell its own unique overarching story while Tales is making Security Breach look worse honestly
@@zavoywilliams3313 I don't care