I live in central al, 1 hr from Taladega short track, 1hr from EAMS, 2 hrs from Senoia.. Ive been to lucas races, HTF races at all 3.. super late models are what i enjoy watching and following so the streaming helps us follow the late model world.. but my intrest for dirt racing started in the early 2000's at Penton raceway watching multiple drivers from my home town battle it out in the bandit class.. wish i could go back and watch it again but it closed several years back.. good times
at my local track they ran street stocks and 4 cylinders every week and there was a ton of them and it seemed like most of them had their whole family with them and would fill half the stands.
Baton Rouge Raceway has been for sale for quite awhile. If it ever closes down even for a season, it won’t be able to open again. The owner is getting old. Not a lot of new dirt tracks opening.
One thing that would help keep weekly racing around is pay by car count.... I mean if you have 15 hobby cars racing for $400 and 3 supers running for $1000 make that make sense to me! What class brought the most people into the stands?
The supers did, I've watched tracks clear out after the super feature. Supers cost 10 times more than lower classes, cost more to get to the track etc.
@jamietwigg4845 supers do cost alot to run a car and engine is about $125000 plus nightly cost but a good street stock cost about $30000 plus nightly expenses so $ 400 to win street stock is not feasible either plus the Big name super Latemodel drivers get a heck of alot more sponsorship money or they are business owners getting big tax write-offs for it . Mr. Langenfelder probably is a big fan of dirt racing but he spends alot of money on HTF but he probably wouldn't do it if it wasn't for tax write-offs
@@user-nu7tt3hj8f Dude say Hobby cars, not the new UDRA street stocks. Trust me I'm well aware what it costs to buy a Super, we don't have 1 we have 3 and haul 2 to the track every time, both race ready. Bottom line streaming races is killing local tracks. I understand when it's cheaper to sit at home and watch, but it's Butts in seats that keep the lights on.
Weekly short tracks can not depend on one night of racing to survive. Have to bring in other options. Concerts, flea markets, 4 wheel drive events or a Christmas display drive thru. Tracks are a business they must make money to survive
The big series need to stop charging race tracks to come to their track. They should come for free and have a split of the money they get from admission, entry fees, streaming $$$ for that show just make it so its fair for everyone and both parties make $$$. Or have the track pay for them to come but the track keeps all admission and entry fee money and get a portion of the streaming $ for that show.
Without weekly racing you`ll eventually run out of racers. You see people like Bloomquist and Clint Smith complaining half the drivers don't know what they are doing. Well weekly racing is where they have to learn what to do.
Actually it’s not all about race tracks being sold. Rural land is also under attack like you said due to property value issues. Also the reason for series is the need for increased purse payouts because it’s difficult to keep up a weekly race car on purse and local sponsorship
Weekly racing is tough. Especially the race tracks that one every weekend. We are all polarized by the big races... I'm guilty of it. If I'm off (from working in the industry) and the track I live right next to is racing. I'm probably staying home.
New owners at eams need to national 100 back to a crown jewel race like it used to be in 90,s. HTF did a great job last year and it was best national 100 in a good while and best run show in a long time as it was over at 755 central time and i still think it better to run on saturday instead of sunday as then you have a rain date for sunday if needed. the national 100 is oldest running event in the south and i really think that it could be a crown jewel like north south 100 at florence ky or prairie dirt race at fairbury.
In my case. We don't have late models in kansas. So yes I go to the local track here but if I want to watch late models I have to watch from home. I can't travel all over to be at events in person.
Most people can’t. Most teams can’t. The life blood of the sport cannot flow via series only. Special events and series are yet another crutch used to ignore a multitude of failures. It’s a bandaid that does nothing to fix the problem and will only cause further failure of the industry. The sport is on life support and fools are too Def, dumδ, and stubborn to recognize it.
there will always be racetracks but only the top ones will survive as there was alot more racetracks in the 60.s , 70,s and 80,s than today racing has gotten way to expensive and todays youth are not as interested in racing as past generations and this leads to less cars and less fans and track owners selling out in some cases. just 30 - 35 years ago a 10k super late show would draw 60 to 80 or more cars and now that is not big money and back then all tracks ran supers on a weekly basis and nobody does that anymore
I agree with several comments, you need weekly races to develop new drivers or develop there skills to be competitive at big shows, and they need to pay more I agree with if you only have 10 cars yes pay ur 800$-1000$ you alway pay but if 30 cars show up pay 2k 2500, most time tracks keep that money oh we need to make a profit. I agree they need to make it! Also if you have weekly for drivers to develop their skills how can they do that with hot lap qualifying? When I raced cars you had heats and features sometimes a 4 fastest dash now the only class that gets that is the headline class which is usually late models with built motors, and I’ve been told driver voted they rather have hot lap qualifying and it speeds up show and keeps cars from getting tore up maybe but if you don’t develop drivers it will end up just like nascar whoever has rich daddy’s and can buy new and pay someone to setup will be out there racing, there will be no Cinderella story’s of people coming up making the race at eldora! Which got HTF to where it’s at i question sometimes if y’all forgot that?
My opinion 🤔 is People tighten up on their money. Due to the facts of inflation. It would be a lot more people If inflation wasn't so high People are struggling. This is why tracks Across the country. don't get the audience like to use 2. You got to remember. Credit cards are maxed out across the country. Money's tight, Groceries sky high, gasoline sky high, people loseing their homes So this is why they would rather set at home and watch on T V or on CZcams/ live streaming. Today, this is why tracks across the countryare losing money Not just dirt tracks, I'm talking. All tracks are struggling because the way the country is going high interest rates Extra. It is tight on everyone, not just Racers but all fans to🫵‼️.
Up here in Michigan in our street stock class class we don't have a Turing class the tracks I run we run for like 375 a night to win and when you have 25,000 into a car you definitely ain't making money doing it even if you win every race at the end of the year they have a couple thousand to win and pretty much every track has different rules the track closest to me in the last 3 years they've changed their tire rule 4 times and pretty much it's the promoters that can't get their shit straight you guys down south have better pay out of any place I have seen and unfortunately our street stocks are different than your street stocks down south otherwise I would move down there and go race down there
Weekly racing doesn't pay enough purse money with the cost of tires and fuel and prices of everything else so like htf y'all are racing a series instead of going to southern every week
@@feedguygaming Truth is the truth, no matter if you want to hear it or not. Plenty of tracks signed on to streaming and now have figured out it wasn't worth it.
@jamietwigg4845 unless they are trying to stream themselves they signed a contract and are getting paid for it and my local tracks the GA is still cheap but car counts are dying because everything costs so much yet prize money is staying the same
@@feedguygaming and streaming services are part of the cause, we race Supers in TN,NC,KY,VA,and Ohio. Our engine builder stepped in to save Volunteer speedway, we had a very long conversation about this very subject. Tracks signed on without forethought too how much they would lose. Streaming companies pay the tracks peanuts. You can only pay out what you take in, a track can't pay out more than it makes, that's why plenty of them just run bigger shows now. No tracks whitin a 2 hour radius of us run Supers as a weekly series, before streaming everyone went to watch the Supers run. My grandfather said you want to make a million racing, start with 2 million.
Anyone else agree Joshua brings alot of knowledge on these podcast.
His past as a racing reporter really comes though…and his role with the series is very much on the business side as well
I am a huge dirt track fan and streaming,,because of physical disabilities, Now helps me stay in touch and watch racesi totally applaud streaming
Macon Speedway in Macon Illinois is up for sale. HTF Speedway sounds good!!!
Phenix City is such a great racetrack. It produces terrific late model action.
I live in central al, 1 hr from Taladega short track, 1hr from EAMS, 2 hrs from Senoia.. Ive been to lucas races, HTF races at all 3.. super late models are what i enjoy watching and following so the streaming helps us follow the late model world.. but my intrest for dirt racing started in the early 2000's at Penton raceway watching multiple drivers from my home town battle it out in the bandit class.. wish i could go back and watch it again but it closed several years back.. good times
at my local track they ran street stocks and 4 cylinders every week and there was a ton of them and it seemed like most of them had their whole family with them and would fill half the stands.
Baton Rouge Raceway has been for sale for quite awhile. If it ever closes down even for a season, it won’t be able to open again. The owner is getting old.
Not a lot of new dirt tracks opening.
Here in Southern Ml, the Mottville Speedway was recently sold to a church... A small 1/4 mile asphalt track gone forever!
Streaming helps people that don’t know what type racing exists get a better idea of what it is and will likely attend a race.
Get to your local track(s) people!!
One thing that would help keep weekly racing around is pay by car count.... I mean if you have 15 hobby cars racing for $400 and 3 supers running for $1000 make that make sense to me! What class brought the most people into the stands?
The supers did, I've watched tracks clear out after the super feature.
Supers cost 10 times more than lower classes, cost more to get to the track etc.
@jamietwigg4845 supers do cost alot to run a car and engine is about $125000 plus nightly cost but a good street stock cost about $30000 plus nightly expenses so $ 400 to win street stock is not feasible either plus the Big name super Latemodel drivers get a heck of alot more sponsorship money or they are business owners getting big tax write-offs for it . Mr. Langenfelder probably is a big fan of dirt racing but he spends alot of money on HTF but he probably wouldn't do it if it wasn't for tax write-offs
@@user-nu7tt3hj8f Dude say Hobby cars, not the new UDRA street stocks.
Trust me I'm well aware what it costs to buy a Super, we don't have 1 we have 3 and haul 2 to the track every time, both race ready.
Bottom line streaming races is killing local tracks.
I understand when it's cheaper to sit at home and watch, but it's Butts in seats that keep the lights on.
Do You think the waning interest in NASCAR has an effect on short track racing, with both racers and venues??
Weekly short tracks can not depend on one night of racing to survive. Have to bring in other options. Concerts, flea markets, 4 wheel drive events or a Christmas display drive thru. Tracks are a business they must make money to survive
The big series need to stop charging race tracks to come to their track. They should come for free and have a split of the money they get from admission, entry fees, streaming $$$ for that show just make it so its fair for everyone and both parties make $$$. Or have the track pay for them to come but the track keeps all admission and entry fee money and get a portion of the streaming $ for that show.
Without weekly racing you`ll eventually run out of racers. You see people like Bloomquist and Clint Smith complaining half the drivers don't know what they are doing. Well weekly racing is where they have to learn what to do.
Where do you see Clint saying that he actually is the director of competition at senoia and helps a ton of racers
Actually it’s not all about race tracks being sold. Rural land is also under attack like you said due to property value issues. Also the reason for series is the need for increased purse payouts because it’s difficult to keep up a weekly race car on purse and local sponsorship
Weekly racing is tough. Especially the race tracks that one every weekend. We are all polarized by the big races... I'm guilty of it. If I'm off (from working in the industry) and the track I live right next to is racing. I'm probably staying home.
also Swansboro sold a few years back
New owners at eams need to national 100 back to a crown jewel race like it used to be in 90,s. HTF did a great job last year and it was best national 100 in a good while and best run show in a long time as it was over at 755 central time and i still think it better to run on saturday instead of sunday as then you have a rain date for sunday if needed. the national 100 is oldest running event in the south and i really think that it could be a crown jewel like north south 100 at florence ky or prairie dirt race at fairbury.
In my case. We don't have late models in kansas. So yes I go to the local track here but if I want to watch late models I have to watch from home. I can't travel all over to be at events in person.
Most people can’t. Most teams can’t. The life blood of the sport cannot flow via series only. Special events and series are yet another crutch used to ignore a multitude of failures. It’s a bandaid that does nothing to fix the problem and will only cause further failure of the industry. The sport is on life support and fools are too Def, dumδ, and stubborn to recognize it.
How far are you from Lucas oil Speedway in Wheatland Missouri
@@shawnprice5908 It's 5 hours away from me.
I heard Bloomington Indiana speedway sold for housing but not sure
Clarksville,Tenn is scheduled to be sold in two years.
Have y'all ever considered the paper clip in east Palatka?
there will always be racetracks but only the top ones will survive as there was alot more racetracks in the 60.s , 70,s and 80,s than today racing has gotten way to expensive and todays youth are not as interested in racing as past generations and this leads to less cars and less fans and track owners selling out in some cases. just 30 - 35 years ago a 10k super late show would draw 60 to 80 or more cars and now that is not big money and back then all tracks ran supers on a weekly basis and nobody does that anymore
I agree with several comments, you need weekly races to develop new drivers or develop there skills to be competitive at big shows, and they need to pay more I agree with if you only have 10 cars yes pay ur 800$-1000$ you alway pay but if 30 cars show up pay 2k 2500, most time tracks keep that money oh we need to make a profit. I agree they need to make it! Also if you have weekly for drivers to develop their skills how can they do that with hot lap qualifying? When I raced cars you had heats and features sometimes a 4 fastest dash now the only class that gets that is the headline class which is usually late models with built motors, and I’ve been told driver voted they rather have hot lap qualifying and it speeds up show and keeps cars from getting tore up maybe but if you don’t develop drivers it will end up just like nascar whoever has rich daddy’s and can buy new and pay someone to setup will be out there racing, there will be no Cinderella story’s of people coming up making the race at eldora! Which got HTF to where it’s at i question sometimes if y’all forgot that?
I think they get that hot lap qualifying from karting what they don’t see is the 2-3 controlled practice rounds before qualifying!
There are more pavement tracks getting shut down more than dirt tracks.
My opinion 🤔 is People tighten up on their money. Due to the facts of inflation. It would be a lot more people If inflation wasn't so high People are struggling. This is why tracks Across the country. don't get the audience like to use 2. You got to remember.
Credit cards are maxed out across the country. Money's tight, Groceries sky high, gasoline sky high, people loseing their homes So this is why they would rather set at home and watch on T V or on CZcams/ live streaming. Today, this is why tracks across the countryare losing money Not just dirt tracks, I'm talking. All tracks are struggling because the way the country is going high interest rates Extra. It is tight on everyone, not just Racers but all fans to🫵‼️.
Racings big problem live or streamed is dead time. I tried streaming the HTF series, bored me to death sitting through all the dead time.
I really don't understand why you refuse to address the very very low volume on your podcast video's.
Flo had the same problem at one time, took forever to get them to fix it.
Up here in Michigan in our street stock class class we don't have a Turing class the tracks I run we run for like 375 a night to win and when you have 25,000 into a car you definitely ain't making money doing it even if you win every race at the end of the year they have a couple thousand to win and pretty much every track has different rules the track closest to me in the last 3 years they've changed their tire rule 4 times and pretty much it's the promoters that can't get their shit straight you guys down south have better pay out of any place I have seen and unfortunately our street stocks are different than your street stocks down south otherwise I would move down there and go race down there
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Weekly racing doesn't pay enough purse money with the cost of tires and fuel and prices of everything else so like htf y'all are racing a series instead of going to southern every week
I cannot here you
I will never Stream a race, I would rather support my local tracks In all forms of racing
Well then I guess you're going to miss a lot o really good racing
@@feedguygaming no I won't I'll go see it live in person
Simple, get rid of streaming services, and bring general admission prices down a little.
Good luck with that
@@feedguygaming Truth is the truth, no matter if you want to hear it or not.
Plenty of tracks signed on to streaming and now have figured out it wasn't worth it.
@jamietwigg4845 unless they are trying to stream themselves they signed a contract and are getting paid for it and my local tracks the GA is still cheap but car counts are dying because everything costs so much yet prize money is staying the same
@@feedguygaming and streaming services are part of the cause, we race Supers in TN,NC,KY,VA,and Ohio.
Our engine builder stepped in to save Volunteer speedway, we had a very long conversation about this very subject.
Tracks signed on without forethought too how much they would lose.
Streaming companies pay the tracks peanuts.
You can only pay out what you take in, a track can't pay out more than it makes, that's why plenty of them just run bigger shows now.
No tracks whitin a 2 hour radius of us run Supers as a weekly series, before streaming everyone went to watch the Supers run.
My grandfather said you want to make a million racing, start with 2 million.