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American Racer vs Hoosier… Will competition between tire brands help racers?
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- čas přidán 1. 04. 2024
- We’re discussing tires in Dirt Late Model racing following Brandon Overton’s Spring Nationals win on American Racer tires.
Bring on the choices and competition and let the drivers sort it out on the track .
Hoosier is 250-260 where I live, I'm just a local racer, hard to afford it!! Some local tracks won't allow us to run American Racers. 80 $ to 100$ is a huge cost for us weekend warriors. No need in letting Hoosier dictate tires
The racers that you are speaking of are top-level race teams. This is how they make their living. It should be open to any manufacturer in my opinion. The motor options are open to wide bore, std bore, LS engines, SB2 engines, and open on shocks as well. Why not open up the tires. Its not like supers can get more than a race out of them anyway. But for the crate classes and the limited LM classes YES put a tire rule in place and it should go to the brand that can offer the best value for the racer.
Competition is always good when it comes to stuff you use. Like Goodyear in nascar.. wouldn’t it have been great to run a different brand when Goodyears were being chewed up at Bristol?
We run AR on our 602 late model in SC and in GA. They are a cheaper tire they last longer and our qualifying times are just as fast as a Hoosier.
It's no question that American Racer is better on slicker tracks. But just like all industries it's about name, image, and likeness. I belive we should allow whatever each racer chooses. That makes it fair and dependent upon whoever makes the right decision!
Far as I know Overton was on the newer Pro tires which are synthetic rubber like the NLMT but a lot cheaper
Let’s not forget last year our year for last we had a tire shortage. It been nice to have another company in there. Wow how fast we forget when we have tires available but we were complaining when we didn’t
Here’s the deal. We need competition in the tire world. If you don’t allow competition it is free range for Hoosier to make a subpar product and sky high price.Yes you may have to have some of both but very simple economics says this is good for the racers.
I run with the blue ridge outlaws we have to run the AR pro 2 or pro 3 in sc they are 175 a tire and Hoosier is well over 200 a tire if we run with ultimate or steel block bandits we have to be on the nlmt 3 or 4
Back in the day we ran American Racers where they was allowed Winchester , duck river , thunderhill, hornwald, golden mtn and we loved them , and also JJ even if you get some AR ‘s for the trailer when you run them you saving your Hoosiers so it’s money you was going to spend anyway 👍
You say American racers would cost more, but a lot of those guys aren’t running a bunch of different series like you guys. For someone with a commitment to that series, they are ultimately spending less with running cheaper tires..
I personally like to see American races out front
As an old guy who raced back during open tire rules. We leaned you match tire brand with the drivers style and tire compound with the track conditions. No need to carry different brands. I say open the tire rules up.
Preach!
American racer has always been a fast tire and worked real good on these southern tracks
Every driver has their favorite tire my favorite tire from 30 plus years of racing is the Hoosier FT 200
I remember when IMCA switched from American Racer to Hoosier there being some harsh words about Hoosiers initially. Would love to see them open it up to allow both. Competition drives down cost.
Hoosier has a monopoly and needs to be challenged. I just wish american racer could be aloud to be used everywhere and could keep up with the demand. An almost $100 price difference will peak interest. Nlmt or lm's were always 2nd best to the economy (1300-1600) tires
I think the whole sale there brand a little cheaper is smart! What do you think?
I remember when Goodyear and AM were the series tires and you couldn’t cut them up at all. All these tire rules and everyone should be on the same thing, no cutting them up or soaking them up like Bobby
Is American Racers what become of McCrearys. Ran McCrearys in the early to mid 80’s. Cheaper and lasted longer back then. Car was a little on the loose side off but nothing that couldn’t be adjusted for.
Racers are their own worst enemy ... they complained about all these different tires they needed to carry depending on where they raced. So Hoosier puts together a tire deal where you can run the same tires all across the country and now in a certain area they can run a AR tire ... all this is going to do is make Hoosier make another "softer" tire so it will end up costing teams more money, having more tires in the trailer, and likely teams using more tires because they will all put on the softest tire they can even if that means putting 2 tires on for a A-Main to make a 50/100 lap race.
Easy solution...... whatever series your running need to specify what tire. Either they are an American racer tire series or a Hoosier series.if you want to run in multiple series then the racer will have to pony up for both brands.
Make the Car Owners run all (4 Tires) American Racer or Hoosiers, that will help stop this.( Not just the right rear).
30 yrs ago Hoosier tire ran American racer out of super late model having all the series competing on Hoosier no American racer then after they done that most of the super guys that ran them was your locals I'll say this having 2 tire manufacturers will make it better but if Hoosier gets in the pockets of racing series American racer tires will be out again
It's America we should have Tire choices
I think it's great to have 2 tire brands to keep the tire prices down and push them both to provide better quality tires
If American racer can sale a tire cheaper the Hoosier can too. If hope American racer makes a tire comparable no matter what Hoosier does and helps the race teams out.
This has been a circle for over 30 years when MCCRARY sd 38s and sd 44s were fast Hoosier came out with the d28 in the late 90s and Hoosiers were back on top it's a cycle that keeps repeating lol
Hoosier brought some of this on themseoves. Not only did they change to the new tires, they eliminated all of the tire deals the big name stars had. So those guys are not tied to hoosier and will go get whats fastest no matter the brand.
Wasn’t one of the focal points of the HtFSS to create an option for some of the lower budget super teams to run a series?
Saving $60 a tire over an entire series season would definitely seem to meet that criteria/agenda/purpose!
Don’t ban the option!
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The tire companies should be competing for our business. We would end up with better prices and better products to race with.
What people fail to realize is that Hoosier Tire is owned by Continental Tire The decisions to make changes come from Hoosier and Continental But remember at the end of the day it's Continental's company Just saying
From a local racer standpoint, AR tires (until either they raise the price or lower their quality) will be better for teams with less funds. Hoosier tires off there website without shipping is $223 (for all compounds) from what we have seen from our tests and walking pits at bigger shows tells our team that average life spand is one feature while AR is faster but also has a long life spand. Not to mention that AR tires from American Racer South (our dealer) are around $175 to $185, depending. Hoosier shot themselves in the foot with the NLM when the price went through the roof. The only big issue is that most southern tracks are Hoosier tracks. If you are a big team and have the money, sure get both, but AR has been the choice tires for local underfunded teams, and having big teams win big races on the tire will be better for everyone.
What dealer are you getting them from, I'm in south GA and having trouble finding them. I'm tired of paying $250-$260 a tire for Hoosier. I'm just a weekend warrior racer
@andydixon455 we use Cagle Racing Automotive LLC they are out of Hopkins Sc or American Racer South out of Brasstown, NC. There are smaller places around they have them, but it's hit and miss as they buy in bulk from dealers to sale
Still need to work on Joshua's mic can barely hear him !
Guys what was McDowell on Saturday night
American racer is more of a affordable tire that last longer than a Hoosier
How does them treated tires work no one seems to to know
Bshep still not anywhere near where he was in the rocket1 over a year into longhorn and having Rumley pitside
Would this tire rule go towards sprint car rules i would think and why have so many dam rules pretty soon there be rule oh your car is 10 yrs old cant race it like rules are getting out of hands
I miss running my bomber on a good D55
Hoosier knew they slowed the tire down ...... fix it or put it back
A monopoly is never good for the consumers.
If series would stop letting Hoosier boss them around for all the points money they offer maybe they could focus on making a better tire instead of bullying series and tracks around to run their junk tires all for the points fund money.
Well years ago when Hoosier tried NASCAR it cost drivers life cause they were fast but not tested properly and blew so it was up to the series to make a choice and stick with it but if everyone is on the same tire then it's the setup and driver making the difference
Hossier makes so much money they will alter 2,3, and 4 to be better but little more or competitive pricing to AR. Hoosier has dictating too long. tire cost is out of hand.
if the compound changes for the big tire brand open it to the lesser tire brand in all classes dollars over cents the tire samples wont be the same in my opinion the cheeeeeeeeeeeeters wont be able to shine till they find a diff way to hot tub or salt water soak them
Lets not get carried away, 76 car is one of the best drives In history.. they probably gave him a boat load of money to do that.😅
And definitely a trailer load of free tires
Watch Volunteer speedway this weekend
Another example of a chance for racers to save money will cost more in the end. Always works out that way.
American Racer has made a lot of changes to their tires the past year or so and have become better. As you said Hoosier said they made basically an inferior tire and they are charging top dollar for it. They get what they deserve with people leaving them. Can you kiss Hoosiers ass anymore?
i ran Racer for years i always thought they were better but also won a lot of races on hoosier to i ran racer mostly because they were a lot cheaper back then and i could drive outside of Atlanta and pick them up from Jimmy Smith.Racer hard tires were always better and hoosier soft tires were always better
As a fan I like tire options, as a racer I'd like just 1 tire.
I think F1 does it perfectly, 3 tires(same company) and colors on the side tells the fans what it is
Thats great until one company dictates the price.. I worked for a team that won the 8 hour at Laguna and the tire bill was double what it was to win...
@@cjm9600 That's crazy! Ya that's the risk with just 1 tire company...idk what the answer is but a low price is a must
Rather than thinking you need every tire ever made in your trailer at all times, narrow down where they work… you’ll probably see for example Hoosier on hard track, racers on wet… as a spectator, I’m down….
What if someone wins with a ford… 🤯
I don’t really get how it is any different than soaking tires unless they can prove American Racers wear identical to Hoosiers. Hypothetically American Racers could be identical to a soaked Hoosier on how they wear.
Let me throw something out here to you back in the day Americans used to be better in sand then Clay surfaces
Hooiser shouldn't br able to tell any series anything!
At $100 less a tire and it last more than one race I'd gladly switch to another brand other than the purple mafia. I love the pro2 and pro3 American racers.
$ 60 less .
Listen to the episode. Where I race at it's $100
@@jeremyfowler7505 First I don't base anything on what they say and are the tires your comparing the same maybe excepting compound ? If so what 2 #s tires are you comparing ?
Most places arent letting you run 1350 1600, i watch 9 brand new of those 2 sold because they arent allowed to run.
Screw hoosier. 240 per tire is stupid. I can't afford new. I run used.
American Racers soak better. they take the prep better when you pour 4 ounces of black sand into your tire put it in an oven or a hot box at 180 for about 20 minutes. Black sand is a tire prep you can get at bmi it’s made by track tack. Totally legal until it’s not
Hey what was the track conditions?
If everyone has to be on a certain tire, then they may as well make it where everyone has to have the same engine and gear, too. I don't grasp the idea behind series pushing things like this. There is nothing wrong with wanting a fair playing field, so to speak, but at the end of the day, unless the supers want to be a Crate series, then politics needs to be pushed back.
By the way.... keep up the great work Jonathan, Jessie, Joshua, Joseph, Jordan etc. 😀🏁
Well definitely better than the damn Goodyear. They put us on once.
What is going to be the ruling on tire samples? I'm American Racer all the way👍🇺🇸 But if they compared a racer to a hoosier in the lab, it ain't gonna work out😕
They must have did alot of changes in compound i remember when McCreary sold out to American racer they were so hard you could not get any heat in them doing a burnout on concrete
McCeary and American Racer are the exact same company they just rebranded them .
Double file restart all the way.
Damn that's was the advantage that Hoosier had maybe it would be nice
i don't know about these days, but AR use to be 8 lbs heavier than hoosier.
Oh my God I can’t believe you hung up the tires. Yes we got some tires also for our late that were stamped with right numbers burnt weren’t the same tire. Yes if you knew the tire you could get the tire if anybody wants to say they couldn’t bullshit we got them
Having more than one choice is a good thing can increase quality just think if you could only have one maker of chassis or motor have competitive different options is far for all. That’s one of my biggest complaints about NASCAR they run different motors but the rest is single source on the cars there is no incentive to make a better quality part at a lower price that’s exactly why nascar isn’t as good or competitive as in the past. Case in point you never seen rims just rip in half as you do today the quality is not there and that is putting the safety of the drivers at risk with single source parts with no incentive to make a better quality part. So yes I am in favor of American racer all series should open competition up for both tire makers been seeing a lot of flats and blow outs from Hoosier the last couple years having options is good.
why do you think hoosier made the new tire its because american racers were kicking there ass IN PA
That wasn't the reason at all, they took away 7 different tires, and tried to make the 4 NLMT1-4.
@jamietwigg4845 I'm not talking about the 1234 I'm talking about the new 2.25 they came out with is because they can't compete with the American racer. Rick Eckert showed up to port royal last year on em first one to do so and about lapped the field on em
All politics. Hoosier will give more money up for series to use their tires. You don’t see any American racer neck bands in victory lane. Series promoters don’t care how much money racers are spending as long as they are getting theirs. It’s buisness.
I like American racers I’ve raced on both and yes you gotta buy tires no matter what. So you split your tire bill and hat now you’ve got half of one half of the other you’re still spending the same amount of money you’re gonna spend money on tire bill tire bill is gonna probably be $20-$30,000 for the year not just a tad more, we spent 10,000 on the street go figure
American racer tires suck for big block mods they are constantly losing right rears the cautions because of it is worse than an iracing official lobby
Tazewell also had plenty of the top guys on American racers.
When I raced we had Goodyear, mccrary and Hoosier
Yes indeed...I remember when McCreary ruled at volunteer speedway back in the early thru the mid 80's
Competition tends to lower costs.
Look what Hoosier and good year had in NASCAR
People forget about this!
How soon they forget .
Will american racer be able to supply the increased demand I'm going to have to assume not and when they cant guess whose price goes up simple marketing supply and demand control cost there wont be supply there will be high demand if ya want what we got you'll pay soon the market will even out hossier will lower a bit American raiser will increase a bit and they'll both be seen as equals
AR’s are way faster on our northeast modifieds
I believe any driver that wants to Run American Racer tires at any National Touring events or any event should be able to 100%
Most events give the option to run them.
@@jamietwigg4845no do they do not. Most series dont allow american racers.
@@FaCtOrYsUzUkI945 Valvoline Iron Man, Schaefers oil, XR Super series, all allow both tires.
American Racers are free for he who wins on them
Try you a American on the rr and see what you think
Who cares u need competition on and prices on tire some people have tire deals too.i like America racer
I started racing in 2003 at Memphis motorsports part with a Hoosier D55 tire rule, ran nothing but those until 2007 at Memphis and west Memphis, which is as close to a demolition derby as super late model racing can get. I never had a flat tire despite all the hits, bangs, and scrapes I took. In 2007 there was a startup Arkansas series I was gonna run with a few times that was American racer only, D55 equivalent, I never got to run with that series so I tried them out at west Memphis as it was Hoosier or AR, in the heat race someone slid up into me, touched the left rear with their side, finished the race and the tire went flat when I got parked. Tried the remaining 3 at another track and made contact with someone else, got back to the pits and tire went flat. Both instances put holes in the sidewall. After that 2nd tire I was never going to run AR tires again. Kept racing until 2013 using D55 and LM20-40s and never had a flat tire due to contact.
Are they still cheeper than Hoosier
Yes Jessie mentioned it in beginning
Hoosier is over priced