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- SHŌGUN, a brand new series based on the James Clavell novel, dropped its ninth episode "Crimson Sky" on FX and HULU. Mariko arrives in Osaka for the fight of her life. Blackthorne and Yabushige scramble to save their own heads as their options dwindle. The series stars HIROYUKI SONADA, COSMO JARVIS, and ANNA SAWAI.
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if you look at blackthorns face while ochiba talks you can see he understands most of it, also the walking out bit, seemd more like an angry "lets get the fuck out of here"
This. I thought Blackthorn understood far more of the conversation and marched off in anger when Mariko doubles down on her plan.
True to form. Mariko gets the last word. Reinforcing Ochiba's observation that her dear friend always knows when to leave.
That was exactly the feeling I got. A direct show of disrespect to Ochiba that only JB could get away with because he knows his boundaries as an outsider are different. I even laughed out loud with my partner because we thought it was a funny and solid insult. If there is one thing I have learned from the official podcast and almost everything I’ve read about the production is that there isn’t a frame of film that wasn’t combed over and intended.
One last thing: If you want to see Blackthorne’s development, the way that he starts to learn how to observe and listen his surroundings is more and more evident. He doesn’t need to master the language of Japanese, but the way he listens, senses, and knowing when to hold his tongue, when he needs to step up for the right cause is clear. In this version, he’s a supporter with immense tenderness and compassion because he found someone he loves, and without her, he also doesn’t have a purpose to live…
From episode 4 onwards, he only has Mariko in his mind, yet he’s also very patient to her, thus when he offers to be her second, that’s a proposal in my mind. He finally knows that he has to let her go, but not letting her being alone and afraid, not to be damned in hell, in fact, taking her place in hell, so he can truly love her…
If you ask me, this is what a man is…
Yes! ^^This. To my mind, calling Anjin "a moron" shows a lack of understanding on Steve's part, to what a true man, deserving of Mariko's love, is. Blackthorne's smarts & general intelligence are depicted in a more nuanced way (as you've stated) than just portraying blatant Japanese fluency.
Wonderfully said and I can’t agree more. I thought the chemistry and looks they gave each other from episode 4 on was very effective. It did look like the romance would slip away when it did not advance in episodes 7 and 8 but that was beautifully made clear why in 9 and I think it massively improved on the book’s version. Also the absence of the sexual relationship between Izu and Efo was something only book readers probably noticed because they were waiting for it. If you didn’t think it’s coming you would have never known or cared. When they start hooking up in the book it feels foolish in a way that was detached from the plot. I believe this version fits much better with Marikos duty-bound stoic character and tells a much more fulfilling story. Also like you say, him accepting her duty and giving his full support, no matter much he objects, is the biggest show of love I can think of. It’s about as freaking manly and brave as one can get. Absolutely brilliant.
Being a book reader, after episode 3 when I could tell the show was great and the show-runners and writers knew what they were doing, I told myself to let every I knew from the book go and embrace the story. I am so glad I did.
@@VOTEDODY I second everything you have said
Seems like there was a reversal between Blackthorne and Mariko in this adaptation from the novel & 1980 series. Instead of Blackthorne proving he is a hero in the Japanese tradition the writers let Mariko prove she's the heroine of this series in her own tradition of duty, martial skill and sacrifice and I'm okay with that.
Blackthorne already proved his love, Japanese style, by volunteering to cut her head off. Now that was so friggin badass!
Mariko knew his volunteering was going against his scruples, his culture, and his desire to have her for his own. That sacrifice was coming from his love and understanding of her life and culture that her samurai husband, Buntaro could never accept or comprehend. At that moment Blackthorne was more Japanese than the samurai.
I’ll repost this here as this just totally explained why Mariko and Blackthorne’s love is on going for us. In this episode, I just so connected with these two already because they have been intimate for several episodes without showing intimacy…
//Acknowledging one another's humanity proves key. Unlike every other man Mariko's encountered, John Blackthorne recognizes her as a person first and a woman second. He respects her, values her contributions, and seeks her opinion. He never expects contrition, obedience, or silence. Nor does he demand her time, even after they sleep together. Instead, he offers genuinely selfless affection. Blackthorne's difference, while intriguing enough to warrant sexual attraction, embodies the freedom Mariko lacks. Mariko letting John within her emotional walls says more than their many exchanged words. He sneaks his way through not because he exploits cracks, but because Mariko allows herself to be vulnerable. It's no great leap to assume Mariko has never been in love. Imagine her surprise when her equal and opposite isn't just a foreigner, but a man her marriage forbids her from having.//
//Mariko's upcoming voyage marks the first time she and John won't be joined at the hip. The trailer for Shōgun's penultimate episode does tease an emotional scene between them. Beyond that: who knows? More unconsummated longing and loaded sentences? Do we stand any chance of a kiss? The latter's as unlikely as a happy ending, which, admittedly, makes Anna Sawai and Cosmo Jarvis’s chemistry seem underutilized. They are fraught yet tender, electric but combative. If I thought the hot springs scene was breathtaking, then the brothel exchange left me unconscious. Sawai plays Mariko as taken aback by the depth of her feelings. The yearning in Jarvis's eyes is acute enough to simultaneously melt the earth and burn it.//
//Their pining, their mirrored displacements, and the meeting of cultures that mesh but cannot achieve symbiosis: their romance represents the series' heart. In another reality, this pair might have a chance. As it stands, they're as akin to soulmates as the situation permits. No matter how Shōgun concludes, this couple will destroy me.//
collider.com/shogun-blackthorne-mariko-romance/
Beautifully put. I loved the book but I felt like this show and the chemistry between Cosmo Jarvis and Anna Sawai was so much deeper, intimate and more fulfilling than romance than in the book which felt, at times like a spring break hooking up. Great post
As for the Mariko-Ochiba scene, Blackthorne is not totally in the dark. I think he can sense what is going on, and there are times when they show close-up on him indicating that he was listening, so I sense that he actually storms away as Mariko cues him to leave at the end rather than just walk away being clueless.
Guys, their relationship has been slowly boiling since episode 4. It is the hot spring moment that they are connected, and for every moment they are together in the following episodes until now, they are low-key flirting and having a relationship based on banter rather than a straightforward romantic relationship. You have to sense their body language and their gazes to see it, like they did it constantly, but only for fleeting moments before they remove their yearnings…
Minor tangent: I think the idea on the show was Yabushige was personally presenting these “more accurate canons and the man who can make cannons super accurate” to Ishido, so that Ishido has cannons and not just Kiyama. He pretty much said as much when he met Kiyama before that huge meeting.
And Ishido rejects it because he wants to utilize Yabushige in the scene that played out later.
A failed suicide is like Japanese baptism
A few years ago the Japanese had the only juvenile suicide rate higher than the US. That says a lot.
Welcome to the Crimson Herring.
Despite my criticism in previous episodes about how Mariko the wife continued to handle her domestic affairs, especially after how the truth of as to why she was kept alive has laready been revealed; I do have all the respect in the world for Mariko, the Retainer. She fulfilled her duty and managed to say out loud what every Lord in Osaka was feeling but were too afraid to say. And she was committed to everything to the end.
(Minor Tangent: I am happy the gate scene was not a "girl-power mopping the floor with all those men" moment) Now all of Osaka's Lords are soured against Ishido; and Ochiba might have to put the engagement on hold in order to Mourn Mariko. Her mission is a success.
Speaking of which, it’s so heartwarming and heart breaking that “Leave us” scene between Mariko and Ochiba. I'm Happy Ruri-hime did not just outright hate Mariko for being her father's daughter; but their exchange was so heartbreaking as they both knew each other so well and what the other was doing and them pleading with each other to make the step to end the hostilities, and saying their goodbyes like that... it was made clear: Ochoba was willing to do anything to continue on living, while Mariko was samurai through and through and was trying to convince her that the duty is what is most important. The fact that Ochiba-Sam’s had to turn away to hide her tears and she can’t maintain her mask )9 fold fence) was just Gold. i think I'm sweating through my eyes.😭😭😭
And Blackthorne finally doing the right thing and deciding to Second Mariko, instead of just dismissing all of Japan's customs and cultures as BS , that was the best gift he could have ever given her. So much so that despite my misgivings about Mariko the wife; their last night of intimacy was completely EARNED; despite all your valid concerns which I mostly agree with.🥹🥹🥹
And thankfully, Ishido stepped in, because Blackthorne was already shown as not capable of properly wielding that sword.
Mariko chose where to meet her end, and did not go to the gate where she would get captured as Yabushige intended. Having grown up there with Ochiba, she knew what would happen when she chose to hole up in the store house.
I’m sure a whole lot of y’all Crimson Cried.
One thing i really appreciate is the sound design, specifically the drawing of the katanas from the scabbard. Finally we get an accurate representation of the sound it would make ibstead of a ringing sound
I didn’t read the book, so I assumed it would turn Mariko into the woman Blackthorn goes on to marry. But I started researching the historical figures everyone is based after starting the show, and learned the characters Mariko and Buntaro are based on actually were killed as hostages during the battle at Osaka castle in 1600.
The only Performance I've seen on Par with Mariko in the last few years is Vacrerys Performance on House of the Dragon. He was the only actor beside Mariko where I was like "He better Win the Emmy."
There is only so much they can cover in a TV show. The issues you have stem primarily from that. Blackthorn is a different character in this. But, if you accept the opposites attract logic, him and Mariko still make sense. He is her one freedom, her one abandon.
The whole show is about rituals,everything. Suicide to samurai means Valhalla to vikings.If you collect all rituals of japan ,it is basically a Japanese bible.
also about importance of rituals in Japanese culture and how the political players are using it. Ishido lost face in huge way by disrespecting Mariko and being dressed down for it. and of course loses face by exposition of keeping famililes as hostages
@@bogeyb200 Although Japanese don't have their own written bible.But the complicated rituals are everywhere.They just did not have the time to summarize them all in a book and name them as commandments or salah. And religions value martyrs.Shogun needs a few martyrs. Japanese Lords are not Gods,but they use rituals to add Holiness to their reign. And the emperor is considered semi God somehow.And he needs to live in all kinds of rituals.
@@justwatchnotsay with respect, I disagree. it's a little different than you claim. The rituals are a key part of Confucianism, which by this time, have heavily permeated Japanese society and culture. Confucianism is based on order.. based on hierarchy and rituals to preserve peace (Confucius wanted to prevent a repeat of the Warring States Period in China)
@@bogeyb200 Nah,chinese dont do rituals like japanese. Chinese dont believe in Gods like japanese do. And Japanese just aborbed some traits of confucianism.
19:00 I agree with Steve here. The scene of Mariko's attempt to leave is one of the most awesome as described in the book. I was a bit apprehensive about how they would handle it here. The show changed it a bit and good on them for it was also awesome.
With every episode, Shogun has impressed me more and more... The tension for this latest ep was BANANAS!!!!!!
The thing that blew me away with Mariko's performance was was her acting in not only English, but her acting in Japanese. It was so seamless with her.
I haven't really seen anyone point it out, but part of Mariko's stance against Ishido in this episode is to demonstrate that the Lords are also captives.
Kiyama, himself, acknowledges as much and you can see the shame on his face.
If Mariko is a captive then all of the other nobility are also captives, including the Heir. This may be an overly-Western view of the situation, but this forces the nobility to acknowledge Ishido as a tyrant. If they are all captives of a tyrant then that puts Toranaga in a position to arrive into Osaka as a liberator instead of as a supplicant.
Steve pointed it out early on in the series; if the bird won't sing then you must wait. By being patient and poking the bear Toranaga has created a situation where Ishido has, basically, destroyed himself.
Also, I think the show has made it pretty clear that Blackthorne understands a lot of what's happening around him, but plays the fool and occasionally misses a bit of deeper context/meaning. Since the 'charcoal' moment with Alvito, I have basically assumed that Blackthorne gets the gist of most conversational Japanese at this point. I don't think he's fully adopted the culture, though, even if he's come to understand it.
Excellent breakdown, as always. I’ll miss this once the show finishes.
@srmorris - I KNEW the Blackthrone seppuku scene from and book series was the key missing thing! LOL btw. that episode also brought Mariko and Blackthorne together.. emotionally - she was so PROUD of him being "Japanese" and him going through that ordeal made him understand the future sacrifices to be made, including hers.
I think after this new episode I can happily ask this question. To everyone out there, if the finale is incredible, will this go down as a Top 3 best limited series ever or maybe even THE best? I’ve seen a few handful of limited series shows in my time like Chernobyl and Band of Brothers and so on, but does this show have the ability to be up there with those names? Is it too soon?
Stfu, even without a finale it's already a masterpiece.
@@AlongNaga-vo6lg lol no need to yell because I agree it’s a masterpiece
Aren't you forgetting ... The Curse?
@@Stress-Free-K I don’t know that show so I can’t speak to it
After the masterful episode 9 I almost think that’s the case now. I feel like the score is 15 to 4 going into the 9th inning and as long as they don’t totally blow it, it’s in the bag. I absolutely love Chernobyl and religiously watch Band of Brothers annually, but this show feels so much more layered and polished in the writing, acting and production. Almost like a great stake dinners compared to 3 star Michelin meal. Nothing better than a great steak but the other is special.
I watched 3 other reactions in preparation for you guys review.
@johnroca, completely agree with best episode characterization and your reasoning for it.
Please read… it’s the yearning and supressing that makes it romantic…
//Mariko was never in denial about her love for Blackthorne, even if she hid it deep within herself. “Circumstances are not going to let her be with him, and so you can’t keep chasing something that you’re not going to be,” Sawai says. “It’s not healthy to keep wanting to chase it, but it’s undeniable what they share. That connection is truly just their own thing. It’s very, very intimate.”
Mariko never believed they would end up together, but Sawai reveals that her translator definitely “holds onto” their connection as a comfort in tough times. She doesn’t let her guard down again, however, until circumstances push her to let go of all restraint.
“In Episode 4, when she does get with him, she believes that her husband is gone and she goes on this imaginary date with [Blackthorne] and they share something that’s so special,” the Monarch: Legacy of Monsters star shares. “She keeps holding onto that, but I don’t think it’s realistic for her to try to proceed with the relationship until Episode 9 when he shows her this gesture of love.”
They slept together once more after the thwarted seppuku. The energy between them in that moment was a defiant refusal to deny their feelings any longer, initiated by a yearning Blackthorne. But even if Buntaro had died, Sawai doesn’t see a world where Mariko and Blackthorne would have ended up together forever. “I don’t think it was realistic for that to happen,” she admits.//
www.tvinsider.com/1132118/shogun-episode-9-mariko-blackthorne-love-anna-sawai-cosmo-jarvis/
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From what’s been described, I think I’ve liked the changes the show has made from the book
Also, I think there are a lot of rose-colored memories of the book. If I remember correctly, when they regularly start sleeping togeather while traveling between Izu and Edo, it was brought up way after the fact and it had all the romance of finding out two of your roommates are secretly hooking up… and then having the displeasure of hearing too many details about it because you were let into their secret. Also, in the book, it seemed way too reckless and out of character for Mariko. Her actions in the book ultimately endangered the Anjin more than herself, who already had a pretty healthy death wish. And even though they thought they were clever and hiding it, apparently everyone knew, making it even more foolish and dangerous and out of character. Ultimately, it just kind of seemed like Clavell was describing a holiday romance he once had with no real correlation to the book's plot. I do agree that the Anjin's and Mariko's romance did flag through episodes 7 and 8, but to me it felt more in character for the shows stoic vision of Mariko and I feel like JB’s actions in episode 9 more than made up for it.
Thanks for the great discourse. And they better give the Emmy to Anna Sawai… in general but especially after this episode, it would be a crime if she doesn’t get it.
Because it was written in a lens of the Western way of how forbidden love should be done as a romance. What you see here in the series is more how Asian romance is done. We never throw the word ‘love’ to the other person, but our actions and the way of how we care about the other is the act of love. So what Blackthorne and Mariko are doing after episode 4 is exactly that. She protects him by not directly translating what he says; he shows his love by keep persuading her not to die for a loyalty that is senseless. They’re low-key flirting with each other through arguments, visible honest arguments, but also compromising for each other. What it means by ‘it’s a complicated situation’…
@@georgeseurat Totally. Also going to what you say, the book (again which I absolutely do love) many times goes into long sappy bouts of them speaking Latin to each other just saying empty things like “… and I love thee” and “and to thy”. In hind sight along with the copious amounts of hooking up, a relatively juvenile vision of romance.
The show did a great job of make you feel the other’s presence on their mind when they weren’t sharing a scene. You always felt that their actions were for the other even if they couldn’t consummate or even express their love.
I told my partner, who happens to be from a suburb of Osaka, about the romance in the book compared to in the show she scoffed and said “oh that’s stupid. That cheapens it… that wouldn’t happen. Not that people don’t hook up in Japan… but not like that”
@@VOTEDODY Kiku: ‘Presence was felt most keenly in absence.’
That’s why though I already know the whole plot, having read the book and saw the 80s series, probably this is the first time I was in tears when they pillow. 🥹
I love your insight, but I see it totally different. Having absolutely loved the book, I actually thought it was way more brilliant to wait for the sexual relationship to properly crescendo at this point in the story where he finally understands 'duty' and, though he doesn’t agree with her sacrifice, he supports her will and becomes the only person to stand up for her and give her what she wished for from the very beginning of the story. To me, this gives it MUCH more weight and meaning and is WAY more intimate and harrowing. Also, I thought it was genius to switch the Anjin’s 'Japanese realization' seppuku attempt from chapter 31 to making the Anjin be the Second for the woman he loves and is about to lose. Not only is it a more subtle transformation and cleverly skirts some cultural issues, I find it way more powerful and intimate. Having the strength to stand up and effectively kill the person he loves takes way more courage and sacrifice than taking his own life. In the book I felt the seppuku attempt was captivating in the way it developed the character but also ham fisted and cheesy and treated the act almost like a magic portal to fast-track being Japanese.
this right here, all the show did was improve on what the book did
From the trailer for ep 10, I guess they're saving Blackthorne's seppuku attempt for that episode and that he asks Toronaga to second him.Just guessing though.
Cutting Blackthorne's sepuku moment is baffling. I just don't understand it. I wonder if they were afraid that it would steel the tension from later sepuku moments...? Even so, it's a bit like changing Superman's origin story...
I'm sure they will now use Mariko's sacrifice as character development impetus for Blackthorne's final actions next week, whatever they are... But really the only thing that might truly make sense is a second season that would use season 1's events as a springboard to fully develop Blackthorne's understanding and love for the 'Japans' - as it is, it feels a bit too late for anything other than the superficial.
@srmorris, your comments on ritual are spot on - I am sure you realize the Confucian comparisons and how 1000 years after Confucius, these ideas had spread to Japan :)
Not knowing Japanese fluently _does not_ make Blackthorne "a moron", Steve.
No, but he is portrayed as a much more intelligent person in the book. And he actually tries (and as much as he can, does) to assimilate into his new culture. They dumbed down a really good character to lift other characters up, but they didn’t need to do that. Toranaga and Mariko could have shined just as bright while Blackthorne was portrayed as more the character from the book.
@@andrewmcaleer6279 the book is also unrealistic, the show is written better
@@andrewmcaleer6279 Well, I totally agree with you there. That's been my ongoing complaint since about episode three; I'm not impressed by the peripheral positioning of Blackthorne's character after the initial strong focus on him (no doubt, to lure people in).
I'm all for redressing the balance & finally telling the story from the East Asian perspective. But, since the book is based on true events, with John being based on real life Englishman William Adams, it's remiss of the show to pare down his involvement. The book seems more faithful, portraying his significant part in Toranaga's (real person, Tokugawa's) political machinations & Japan's international affairs as a whole.
This TV version has definitely made him less erudite; although I stand firm that that doesn't make him moronic.
@@MRGooodwineTV certain parts of the book are not historically accurate, absolutely. It’s historical fiction. To say the book is completely unrealistic however is just foolish, considering it is still based on real events. Would you care to share what you think is completely unrealistic from the book? I’ll tell you one thing that’s completely unrealistic from the show. Blackthorne stepping up as Mariko’s second. Blackthorne could barely hold a katana 2 episodes before this. Now I’m supposed to believe he can cut through a human neck in one clean slice, especially the woman he loves? THAT’S unrealistic.
Not having read the book I have special attachment to Blackthorne. I like this depiction of an English foreigner in a strange land. A much more believable take than the white savior archetype from the original Tav series.
Just binged every episode and your show was a great listen to enrich my viewing. I'm glad I have it to watch after each episode.
I think he differently understands what is going on
Based on history figure ,Mariko died for sure.
The showrunners/producers have said, that they're not planning a second season. Sanada may have said it too. The show ends like the book does. Nothing further planned.
42:00 Dies in the book and in history too: Hosokawa Garasha ,1563 - 25 August 1600 (Although she dies differently in real life) I had to tell all my friends watching to please not wiki the real characters
I’m so going to miss this show 😞
I just like that Cosmo. He's a beautiful man.
I think Yabu was bringing Blackthorn to Ishido as a “ prize” to the Christian lords , so he lied to blackthorn
The Anjin/ Mairiko relationship is the only thing that bugs me in this retelling. I feel like they did not show enough to have Anjin step forward to be Mariko second I didn’t feel the chemistry
This show is an amazing and beautiful rendition of the book, however:
The downgrading of Blackthorn as a character has caused major damage to the overall story itself, in my opinion.
The story is not about a European being a badass in Japan (or sime kind of 'white savior'), it is about a European arriving in Japan and becoming aware of some of the aspects of Japanese culture, which at first seem brutal and savage in relation to the value of life and the way death can be so easy to be found, to a state where he finds Japanese culture to be in many ways superior and refined and filled with true honor and beauty.
By diminishing Blackthorn, we are robbed of the larger impact of his movement into that awareness as we follow along with him and see this transition within him.
I have no problem with, and even enjoy, making this iteration more about the Japanese perspective, but this seems to ultimately be counter productive to that effort.
Kinda found myself a bit frustrated at this point in the season. Frustrated by Mariko just constantly trying to kill herself, by how slowly how her and Blackthorne's romance has progressed and how Blackthorne has felt more and more side-lined and his agency diminished. I guess my western perspective is getting the way but I can't help being a western guy in 2024 🙃
I have no idea why the stuff Steve said about Blackthorne committing seppuku got cut either, it sounds FACINATING.
That point in the book Blackthorn became Japanese then and Mariko really starts to fall for him
Blackthorne offering to second was also a terrible decision. The dude was completely helpless with a katana in his hand 2 episodes ago. Now he’s supposed to make a one cut clean strike through the woman he loves neck? That’s just ridiculous. If they would have done a better job with their romance throughout the rest of the series, they wouldn’t have needed that moment to convey their understanding.
I kept waiting for some surprise that Blackthorn is fluent in Japanese and has been hiding it strategically. Glad they nerfed him a bit versus the book but maybe it was too much.
This is Game of Thrones : Japan
It is not rules and manners ,it is more like religious rituals.People die to perform those rituals. Martyrs
Mariko spread her arms out as if on the cross before the blasts.
@@Stress-Free-K She is Christian.She is a martyr in Japanese rituals.So the cross is symbolism.Japanese religion is viking style to some extent and mixed with Christian traits.Shogun is about the political war and religious war the same time.Basically it is the same thing in old Japan.You cant be shogun if you fked up all rituals and values
Mariko marry Blackthrone?? To quote cyberpunk 2077.... "Here, for folks like us? Wrong city, wrong people."
Blackthorne’s non-seppuku is the biggest travesty of an otherwise really good series. His seppuku attempt is such a huge part of his character development. It absolutely should have been in the show.
no it shouldn't
@@MRGooodwineTV care to explain your opinion?
Lol this episode was wild
The battle of sekigahara should be in the last episode...
Let's see how badly they can misrepresent Japanese history there too. Lol
This episode is showing they are doing a more Japanese style of storytelling than the west.
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Would you'l take suggestions of possible spinoff mini-serirs you might like to watch such as...
Shogun: The Bushido Code
Shogun: The Willow World of Edo ('nuff said)
Shogun: Battles of the Faiths (Catholics vs Protestants vs Buddhists)
Shogun: Tales of Wajiro's Stone Garden
Shogun: Sepuku of a Warrior, The Permanent Solution To A Temporary Problemshog
Shogun: Yabu-Shigi's Book of Death
#KatanasAndKimonosRock
Agree 100% Blackthorns attempted seppeku was a PIVOTAL part of the book and original mini-series that NEEDED to be in this adaptation
Maybe Mariko-sama's death will give him that change in direction. We'll see next week.
I disagree. This new Blackthorne is torn. He's hasn't drank all the kool aid. Which mirror's a Westerner's acceptance of Mariko's complex codes of honor. Perhaps in a book there is more time to watch the Anjin transform.
Plus, doesn't his willingness to watch Mariko kill herself and offer to be her second show a great deal of growth. Without going so far as to make that choice for himself.
Lads, Maybe the series should have been 12 episodes instead of 10? It's sad that they chose not to have Blackthorn and Mariko's relationship more intense as in the book and first T.V. show. If they had it would have blown all our minds even more. Richard Chamberlin was a better Blackthorn. Riddle me this, How can a show be so good with everyone raving about it. Podcast's saying it's the best show on T.V. at the moment and yet it's hardly showing up on the different ratings charts. Struggles to get into the top 10? Cheers, Chris Perry.
idk - I thought their pillowing in this episode was really moving especially everything Mariko went through and John prepared to be her second and save her soul.
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Unlike Bhutaro, Blackthorne shows Mariko respect. Even if he doesn't understand fully. He respects her as a person and ALWAYS is right by side when the chips are done. Their relationship is a romantic one that can rarely express itself fully.
at this point in the story, Blackthorne is irrelevant so his irrelevance in this remake since the beginning doesn't bother me anymore. This episode is all about Mariko and I was just so impressed by Anna Sawai's performance and the screenplay. So well played.; so Well written. Also liked the development of Ochiba character, as Mariko and Ochiba are easily the two most powerful (and I'm not being sarcastic, they really are) female characters in the book. This writing and this episode truly does them justice. Hated the last several episodes, as they've done nothing with the Blackthorne character and never developed any chemistry much less "love" between Mariko and the pilot.. so the final "connection" here seems a bit out of place.. but hey.. something is better than nothing.
Not happy with the ending!
The difference between the book and this show is that the book was white man's fantasy and this is feminist fantasy. A sign of the times they were made. The problem here is that Mariko's behavior makes no sense in 1600 Japan. All she talks about is loyalty to your lord, yet her father was a traitor and she defends him. She complains about being forced to marry Buntaro, but wants her son to marry whoever Toranaga wants. She is a devout Catholic, yet commits adultery and is about to commit suicide. She is portrayed as a huge hypocrite. Her loyalty in this time would be to her husband above all. The only reason she has any standing at all is because she is Buntaro's wife. She has no other title or official position. She is Lady Toda Mariko because she is the wife of Lord Toda, not because she is the daughter of traitor Aketchi.
I don't think it has anything to do with feminism but I agree with you on everything other than that. I can't empathize with her double standards and contradictions. I also think she is a terrible and selfish mother.
Mariko is entirely consistent. She is her own woman. She's also a great philosopher of Japanese traditions which Toranaga and Ochiba both acknowledge. She will not be defined by her marriage to Buntaro because he's an ignorant brute who beats her and shows the nobility of her lineage no respect.
In every culture there are great individuals, both male and female, who exemplify the very best of their culture and yet will defy minor conventions in order to preserve the highest dictates of their culture.
For instance, Mariko did serve her Lord with great honor to the very end. And reclaimed her birth right because her Lord Toranaga helped her to see how her father fought for the greater good of Japan.
Pillowing in Japanese culture is not as "sinful" as it is in Catholicism. But in the end, would not Jesus, himself, shield those he loved with his own body as Mariko eventually did. With arms stretched out as if on a cross.
Mariko is very consistent...What are u talking about?? She is a Samurai whom Duty is above all...Her father killed the then lord out of duty and became a trader...She was gonna kill herself out of duty...Fully Consistent with 15th century Samurai culture...
As is "devout catholics" don't violate the "10 commandments".
Not gonna lie, I know the plot points of the story, but I was in tears when they finally make love, because of the yearning I felt in the past weeks… 🥹
To be her second and save her soul from damnation was one of the most romantic gestures of the show
@@Melodicroger Their love was as tender and powerful as one of Mariko's poems. I felt it throughout as well.