Orbea Rise H30 Review - $5.7k
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- The Orbea Rise H30 is the entry model in the Orbea Rise line of light weight full suspension electric trail bikes. Featuring the Shimano EP8-RS Rider Synergy mid-drive motor that's custom tuned for efficiency, offering 60nm of peak torque and 250 watts nominal output. Available in four frame sizes, three color choices, and many hardware upgrade paths using MyO configuration ordering. Fully integrated battery pack utilizes 21700 battery cells from Panasonic that offer high energy density, reduced weight, and more charge cycles. Optional range extender battery is shaped like a water bottle for easy mounting and use. Boost hub spacing with 15mm and 12mm thru-axles offer improved stiffness. Stock 29er wheels can switch or mix with 650b and plus sized tires. Dual piston 180mm hydraulic disc brakes from Shimano. 12-speed Shimano SLX drivetrain with wide 10-51 tooth cassette. Marzocchi suspension fork and Fox rear suspension offer 140mm travel with compression and rebound adjust. 40mm dropper seat post, fast 4 amp battery charger, highly adjustable Shimano SC-E7000 display panel and smartphone app. Heavier than the M series carbon fiber frames, in part because the H series comes with a higher capacity battery pack (540wh vs. 360wh). Charging port is directly in the path of the left crank arm, the power button is low on the frame, the menu change button is on the Shimano display vs. the easy to reach button pad. Main battery is not easily removed which adds weight, can make charging more difficult, may limit travel and and subject the battery to varied temperatures.
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0:00 Introduction, trim levels, colors, frame sizes
1:10 Battery specs: 36v 15ah 540wh with 21700 cells
1:49 Optional 250wh range extender shaped like a bottle
2:13 Battery charger weight and output, warranty info
2:41 Wheels and tires, boost hub spacing, thru-axles
3:25 Split pivot rear suspension, Fox and Marzocchi shocks
3:49 Drivetrain overview, 32T NW chainring, 12-speed SLX
4:23 160mm cranks, no pedals included, internal routing
4:44 Tapered steerer, handlebar, locking grips, shifters
5:26 Dropper seat post, 31.6mm post diameter, saddle
5:43 Shimano hydraulic disc brakes, 180mm, dual piston
6:01 Powering on, display panel overview, motor controller
7:09 Changing readouts on the display: tiny circle button
7:59 Shimano E-Tube smartphone app: updates, motor tuning
8:15 Display panel settings menu, motor profiles 1 vs. 2
9:11 Trade-offs: motor knock, power button, charge port
10:23 Ride shots: handheld, body cam, third person, frame
11:42 Conclusion, other good reviews, compare tool, forums
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I purchased this exact bike (same color) and it has literally changed my life. It’s my first Ebike and I get a better workout on this one than on my Hightower because I can ride so much farther and longer. My only gripe was the rear tire not having enough traction. I put the Dissector on the rear, and put a Maxxis Assegai in the front which made for incredible traction. The weight difference to me is negligible, since I also ramped up all the boost settings to full. I ride it in trail mode mostly, but when it’s steep or I’m tired I use boost, and that’s exactly what it does. I’ve never come close to even halfway draining the battery and my trail is a 1200ft elevation gain which I ride almost every day. If you’re considering an Ebike, but still want to be able to jump, Ollie, pop off tree roots and throw the bike around this is your bike. Complete game changer.
How's the battery?how many miles you can go?
@@johnmarkmier144 the battery is incredible. I’m not sure about miles, but mostly these batteries are rated in hours and elevation gain. Last week I rode to the top of Mt Tamalpias in Marin. It’s 6.6 miles all uphill and I climbed 2300 feet. It only used 1 of the five battery bars, and I was in boost (the highest setting) the whole time. Most human beings won’t come close to draining the battery. If needed, you can buy a range extender that provides an extra 320 watt hours of riding. I cannot imagine the type of human being that would need that and it would have to be an incredibly long ride, like days.
This is my second ebike, i had a 2019 canondale moterra neo 2, with bosch gen 1, the moterra can go fast on easy trails, but not fun in technical slow trails, way to heavy. The rise h15 is way above my expectations, never before i would not charge between 2 single trail rides of 20k, the bosch in emtb mode display suggested less than 40k range and usually deliver a max of 32k. With the rise i did 3 ride total 70k, 1000 meter climb, 20% battery remaining. I ran 1st ride at profile 2 and last 50k at profile 1, the lighter weight and smarter motor change everything, you get all the fun by riding in more natural way. Climbing is not an issue, you have gears for that, do not forget most people have no motor. Ride politely respect pedestrian and other mtb rider.
Are you running the Exo+ or the double downs?
@@JEFFREYSOLORIO I think exo plus not sure. Never had an issue with tires other than traction.
I think Orbea is a great company. This is a really nice emtb. I like a lighter emtb for handling and carrying when the need arises. The carbon version is really light but has a smaller battery. I purchased a Specialized Kenevo SL. It has 35nm of power whereas the Orbea Rise has 60nm. It has a 320wh battery but the range is similar since it has less power and a little less weight. It is an enduro bike with 170mm of travel on both ends. That makes it a little easier on my 70 year old body on jumps or crossing rock gardens and roots.
Nice, I really like what Specialized created with their SL models. It sounds like you’ve enjoyed it! Pretty awesome that you got the enduro model, I like longer travel suspension too :D
The Rise H is a nice compromise option, particularly at its price point. Really though, if you want lightweight eMTB, the Rise M and the Levo SL are the best options. At 46-47 lbs, the Rise H is approaching full power Levo weight.
Good to see a more affordable eMTB for trail riding. Rode the M10 last year and it felt “natural” with its power delivery but at the cost of feeling a bit weak. I liked it but not for $9000. This lower priced offering has me curious. Thanks for the informative review.
You're welcome! It seems like the design and price are resonating with a lot of people. I like how it looks and it performed well. There are some trade-offs, I think I'd push for the entry carbon model myself because it's 6lbs lighter, but this one was great for increased range and durability... really nice build.
6 grand affordable? Okay. Listen, if i am such a disconnected from reality fuck that I pay 6 grand for a E-mtb i might as well spend 12 grand.
@@maxmeier532 A lot of "analog" bikes are $6l to $8k now so $6k for a e-bike is good (for an ebike).
Good call on the charge port location and the crank arm. Guess what happened.... Snap! A good chunk of plastic broke off and a couple of pins got bent. Luckily no pins broke and I can still charge. Totally my fault, but yeah it happened
Really liking the Orbea. Trying to decide between one of these or a YT Decoy. I really want a Scott but can’t find one in stock anywhere
Hi there Court, met you on the ferry ro bowan island, this ebike is more of the type of ebike I'd be into.Can you do a dengfu ebike review sometime? They do make a 250watt and 500 watt ebike and it's quite nice ,carbon fiber frame.i wonder if you can notice the weight difference in an ebike.
great video thanks can you review the orbea wild fs please ? thanks
I’ll keep an eye out for it Drew!
After a 4 month wait, I finally got this bike a couple weeks ago. The only other ebike I’ve ridden is the Rail 7. The rail was able to power through anything in any gear. This one makes me work for it and use most of my gears, which is what I wanted. The biggest plus for me is the lighter weight. 10-20lbs matters to me in a bike. Not only is it more fun in the trails, but also easier for me to throw in my truck and go. It just feels like a normal bike that makes me have pro-level endurance and strength.
Also, it does come with some decent oddessy pedals. At least mine did.
Great insights, I was noticing that feeling too. I’m glad it has 12 gears and a wide range to use :)
I rented a Trek Rail 7 and loved it. It got me wanting an emtb. The issue is that trail access is still somewhat of an issue so thinking of the Rise as being more stealthy as some trails I would want to use it on still don't officially allow e-bikes. How are you finding real-world range and the power delivery? I have a Specialized Turbo Creo that is a light-weight e-gravel bike that only has 35NM max assist (which I almost never need). I would imagine the Rise is similar in power delivery but near double the power?
@@Roaming50 It absolutely feels more like a normal bike. It has the same size motor, but the built in battery and how they designed the motor around the frame make it pretty stealth. The motor is also a ton quieter than the Rail 7. The best power comparison is probably EMTB mode on the rail 7 compared with the turbo mode on the Orbea. I haven't done enough long distance full day rides to test the range. (10-15 miles max on single tracks in flat Central Tx) but it seems on par with the Rail 7 or better.
@@ocman11 👍. For the Rail 7 I did 32 mi with 3200 ft of climbing in Eco with Tour for the hills. Frankly any other Mode felt too powerful for me. So I think the 60NM should be similar to the tour mode of the Rail.
I agree 100%, i am shocked how much more fun are my ride, traded speed in easier trail to control and feel for all trails plus double range without charging.
Thanks, nice review/bike. I was triggered by your remark in this video [1.27]: I thought that flying with e-bikes was not possible at all, certainly with battery sizes that are now the norm. A rabbit hole in searching later sort of confirmed that (only small [
Hi Tom, sorry that triggered you! I have never flown with an ebike, but I have read about others who do it... especially for very nice bikes that are setup perfect for an event etc. like the ebike flow races and stuff. It sounds like most of the time an athlete could use an on-site battery and just ship their ebike without a pack. I was curious if the Rise models could operate on only the range extender, but those are still 250wh and might not be flyable. So anyway, the on site battery might be the only option and then you'd have to drop the bottom bracket and get a compatible pack on site. It's a whole big thing, but probably not very common. I basically live in the rabbit hole of the ebike world, thanks for meeting me here for a minute and sorting through things :D
@@ElectricBikeReview The triggering was no problem, was the curiosity kind, so you did a good job in engaging :-).
Maybe buying a new pack locally [hard to find if it's not the standard kind] or forwarding a pack as a freight [expensive, crazy custom rulings] beforehand is the way to go, but was hoping to take an e-bike on a plane without this hassle, but [not yet?] possible.
@@tom.jacobs A friend who works for a major airline told me they will probably not allow ebike batteries for a long time. Reasons are fires that suppression systems cannot take care of at 30k feet.
Nothing about the weight which is kind of the point with Rise models?
10:03 whey ohhh
Amazing. The same bike model(exactly), is in a dozen videos. Extremely few if any videos of actual...owners. That tells me that brands are spending a fortune on advertising & selling very few. And why are e-bikes branded as "Environmental."?? Li-ion battery dumps are highly toxic. Not as Green, as commercialized on CZcams. I don't see non e-bikes, being branded as "Going Green."
Did you say you use two fingers for braking? Oh no lol
If you want a real review of the orbea rise then go to trust pilot and read the reviews. The company is terrible. I bought an orbea rise and 3 months later the frame snapped. Orbea are terrible with customer service, immediately offered a crash replacement for £££ and won’t honour the ‘lifetime warranty’
Wouldn't you say that Specialized has better, more mature e-bike offerings? It's becoming clear to me, however, that mid-drive motors are the future. Hub-drive motors are yesterday's technology.
I really like what Specialized has been offering, their MAHLE motor on the SL ebikes is very satisfying to me, even though the official torque rating is 35nm vs. 60nm here. They dialed it in, it feels very responsive and powerful to me, and I like the lightweight battery on theirs. I think it's much more equivalent to the Orbea Rise M models, like the M20.
@@ElectricBikeReview Thank you for the reply. You're the expert.👍🏼
Mid drive motors have been around for very long time and it has always been better. The reason you see more hub motors is because it’s cheaper and easier to make.
@@Arkane117 I half agree with you, hub motors don't put as much stress on the drivetrain and tend to work with with throttles. The original Specialized Turbo used a very fancy Go Swiss hub motor with regenerative braking. Stromer still uses this kind of setup and it's super quiet and very powerful... but also heavy, and not suited to full suspension because of the added unsprung weight. For mountain bikes, mid-drives offer the best efficiency since they benefit from your gear shifting. Hub motors basically have one "gear" which is the size of the wheel they are built into. It's one of those "depends" situations... depends on your use and needs, and also budget :)
To redirect the conversation to which component is "Rated" at 250 watts (or other wattages),it is the CONTROLLER, NOT THE MOTOR, NOT THE BATTERY i If a person cannot speak truthfully in matters related to electrical standards, then go ahead with mistaken notions and go away.
Your title paragraph describes "offering 60nm of peak torque " as the measure of the motor's Output, but then you go "and 250 watts nominal output" as if they are equivalents. They are Not. Motors do not create watts, they consume watts. Do you know the difference between consuming and creating? Apparently not. You are a very effective promoter of e-bikes, but it is not necessary to spread information that is not accurate. You tell me how many Watts an electric motor " produces". NONE. It produces only Torque, that's all. You have sold out to the prevailing promotional line, and that would be the logical thing. You are memorizing and coughing up "facts" and I have caught you unprepared and wrong. (It is the Controller that determines the "watts" delivered to the motor, 250, 500, 750, 1000. The motor takes whatever is offered to it.And then the motor produces somewhere between 0- 60 nm of Torque, see ? TORQUE. There are all sorts of electrical games to be played with the "watts"games and Controllers,however it really is the Torque ratings that give a reasonable and useful rating.
Thanks for helping me to understand better. I aim to communicate what I’ve learned about each bike in a way that is efficient, accurate, and clear, but I’m not always perfect. Companies provide stats such as 250 watt nominal geared mid-drive that can produce up to 60nm of torque vs the standard EP8 that can produce 85nm of torque. I believe the motor is actually 250 to ~500 watt, but they don’t say. In addition to the stats, I am also trying to communicate my experience riding. This controller and motor were quick to respond, pretty quiet, and I felt that Profile 1 wasn’t very powerful. The bike made me work more than the other motors I’ve tested, and that’s okay for the lighter frame or someone who wants the extra workout and extended range. Another aspect of my reviews is to show things as they happen, and then leave the comments open for people to correct or clarify. I’m not aiming to be a promoter of ebikes as much as an objective resource who covers a wide range of interesting products.
Please tell me that you are not an engineer!
Because if you are, you should now that there is a fixed relation between power and torque:
Which is in metric units:
T = 9550 PkW / nr
where
T = rated torque (Nm)
PkW = rated power (kW)
nr = rated rotational speed (rpm)
In imperial units the Full-load Torque can be expressed as
T = 5252 Php / nr
where
T = full load torque (lb ft)
Php = rated horsepower
nr = rated rotational speed (rev/min, rpm)
@@haveaseatplease Of course there is a"relationship". The point is that referring to an electric motor's output in "Watts" instead of in newton/meters of torque is not helpful. The controller/battery delivers WATTS to the motor. The motor then responds by producing a twisting force that is called Torque. What do you not understand about that?
@@dehoedisc7247 The watt is a unit of power or radiant flux. It is defined as a derived unit of 1 kg⋅m2⋅s−3 or, 1 joule per second. It is used to quantify the rate of ENERGY TRANSFER. In the case of an electric motor the transfer from electrical energy to mechanical energy (and a little bit of heat energy).
@@haveaseatplease when over analyzed, a simple motor parameter such as torque output in newton/meters becomes a tangle of terms and the significance is lost as you have just shown with your blah blah blah.