The BEST trail e-MTB? Orbea Rise Ride Review!
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- čas přidán 12. 10. 2022
- The Orbea Rise (available at Jenson USA via my affiliate link here: bit.ly/OrbeaRiseatJensonUSAjkw) is the quintessential "light" eMTB. I’ve ridden the carbon version for a couple days, but spent a few months on the aluminum version. And I LOVE it! Such a fun, unique bike! It feels far closer to a bicycle than any other eMTB I’ve tried- and that’s a good thing!
Big thanks to Industry Nine in their support with more amazing Enduro 315 Carbon wheels on all my bikes for 2022. Check out what they offer thru this link over to their page at Jenson USA: bit.ly/IndustryNine2022JKW (affiliate link)
A big thanks to PNW Components for their support in 2022! Check out the PNW cockpit items here: bit.ly/PNWComponents2022JKW (affiliate link)
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Did you know I post a new riding tutorial every month? These are ONLY posted to my Patreon page, so join now to see these rad videos! Here’s the full list of my riding tutorials posted through May 2022:
How to jump found gaps: / 67255256
How to stoppie turn: / 65842496
How to drop: / 64552391
How to LEAN in corners: / how-to-lean-in-63176556
How to Ride Light on the Bike: / how-to-ride-on-61941975
Riding technique differences between hardtails and full suspension: / 60435182
How to rut track: / 59366938
5 tips to make flat trails more fun: / 58058983
5 tips to improve bike control and balance: / 56839920
How to levitate out of corners: / 55607066
Three simple cornering tips: / 54371316
How (and when) to rock roll or drop: / 53126562
How to jump with fluidity- and not DEAD SAILER! / 51914476
How to Lanual: / 50695443
How to climb ledges without a bunny hop: / 49476021
Which brake to use when: / which-brake-to-48108425
Different bikes, different riding techniques: / 46925782
How to ride FLAT PEDALS through the ROCKS: / how-to-ride-flat-45662347
How to ride wet roots and steep chutes: / 44507851
How to ride with style: / how-to-ride-with-43349450
How to jump for height vs distance: / 42202183
Common manual questions answered: / 41006264
How to land jumps: / 39928153
My 3 favorite skills drills: / if-i-could-only-38809964
How to manual: / how-to-manual-37684861
Cutty: / 36579859
Manual a berm: / 35496772
How to ride in Sedona: / 34436065
Switchbacks: / 3-ways-to-33345804
Nosewheelie: / 32742504
Bump jump: / 31881231
Trials basics for trail riders: / 31145344
Tight berms: / 30389457
Aggressive braking: / 29579507
Confidence for mountain biking: / 28817411
Cornering: / 27981205
Flowing/pumping down the trail: / 27288868
Stoppie through turns: / 26296762
Technical climbing: / 25234847
Boost jumps: / 24161821
Bunnyhop: / 23396959
Utilizing the wheelie on the trail: / 23017910
How to wheelie: / 21879606 - Krátké a kreslené filmy
For those thinking of buying, here are a few observations. I had the same bike Jeff used for a week while waiting for my carbon version. The carbon rise with the small battery is about 5 lbs lighter, and that makes a huge difference in the way the bike rides and climbs. It is a modern trail bike, but 65.5 deg on the front, which is what mine is, it is slacker than my old Devinci Dixon, which ten years ago was an all mountain/enduro bike! I am 68, so I got this because it seems like after 50, the climbs got a degree steeper every year, and so now they are really steep, and my rides are too short, and the downhills are less fun because I am thrashed by time I get to the top. I started riding in the 80's, and am a competent rider. I still ride lots of BC black diamond trails, and still take small drops and booters, as well as negotiate some fairly steep, rugged, tracks, and this bike is totally capable, as long as you ride reasonably. For an ebike, this thing is FUN! It handles much like my analog Occam, maybe even better. It loves small air and even I can throw it around. I feel like although Jeff's review is totally honest, and accurate for him, a normal human riding this thing will not be held back by the bike. At 155 lbs I don't need any volume spacers, and have only bottomed out a few times, and they were pretty much all rider errors with the rider saved by great suspension. With the small battery, climbing in the same gears I used to climb in when I still had legs, I can easily do 3 or 4 hour rides with my legs feeling fine at the end. The only way you will use up this battery is if you are in a hurry and ride in turbo using big gears. I just finished a 2 1/2 hr ride with 2500 vert, and still have more that half the battery left, and I am no beast.
Thanks for your fan rides and knowledgeable, friendly reviews. I am getting M10 soon based on your insights. Sort of a rehab bike for me recovering from a fake hip implant and imported flu 2 years ago. I cannot fly like you guys do but still enjoying my 8 - 30 miles rides in the open. Ride on!
I’ve been riding a Specialized SL Expert for over a year now and find it to be the perfect compromise. I’m over 50 and it gives me the ability to keep up with my much younger riding buddies. It’s just enough help to keep me in the game riding the steeps of UCSC in Santa Cruz. Bottom line it’s the perfect bike!! I still ride my regular bike, Santa Cruz Nomad, from time to time but usually only when I ride by myself. Great channel!!
Great review! Beautiful riding!
Been mountin biking my entire life. I have a new 2022 Pivot Trail 429 enduro and love it. I also just ordered the new Pivot Shuttle SL. It is an amazing machine.
Excellent review! I am due to pick up the H15 next week. Can't wait.
Congrats Ronan!!!
I recently bought the H15 from Jenson. Love it. You don’t need to turn the bike on and off again to connect to the app just hit the up or down button for power mode and it will connect. I also put on the 160 ZEB ultimate fork and paired up with the stock float x rear shock it has made it capable of hitting the chunkier terrain. I have a gen 2 turbo Levo but find myself riding the Rise most of the time because it just feels so natural. Great video
Congrats on the rad new bike, Zeb! Orbea strongly recommended NOT installing a 160 fork, the bike isn't built to be stout enough for what that front end will allow. YMMV, but for me, if a manufacturer is warning against something, I usually will find out why pretty quick! The Float X is definitely more stout than the Float DPS, but I don't notice rear suspension nearly as much as geometry (and seat post limitations!). Keep enjoying that Rise, it's a fantastic bike- wish I had one to keep!
@@JeffKendallWeed Are you sure Jeff? They come with a 150mm and it's unusual they spec the max fork length. Certainly the UK reps seem to think 160mm doesn't void warranty. Loads of people seem to have gone 160 and even 170. I can't seem to find a recommended max fork travel for the Rise anywhere though.
Your editing is so good 👍
Thanks for this cool relaxing video. I love watching you ride 👍
Thanks Ryan!
Easily the best mtb channel in my opinion, keep the videos coming Jeff! The copper harbor trails would be a great local loam story… just went through some legal challenges to keep the trails up and running and hopefully growing
Thank you Travis! I agree about the UP, have ALWAYS wanted to get up there, but hadn't heard about the legal challenges. Thanks for the tip!
If you advocated for Coppor Harbor trails, thank you. Great place proud support there and local towns in area.
Great video Jeff. Greetings from over here in the UK. Some awesome trails and expert bike handling on display there. The Rise is without doubt the dawn of a new era. The perfect blend between "conventional" bike feel, and E momentum. would you be kind enough to comment a bit more on your suspension settings? volume spacers and air pressures etc front and rear.. Bike looked nicely balanced and poppy. Kind regards. Keep up the great work.
Love seeing how my local trails can be ridden Jeff! I’ve modified my Rise with a 55 DPX2 and a 160 Lyrik Ultimate to give me a slacker burlier ride. Also upgraded the brakes and rotors and it’s now really capable. I also think most users will use the Steps Sce display rather than the inline LED indicator, makes it nice and easy to know what power mode you’re in and how much juice is left.
Love yer content!
Thanks for watching, Sean! Are you Island or mainland? Anyhow, what's the Stepc SCE display?!
Island boy, really enjoy the Sooke trails, but I love all the PNW. All the Rise bikes I’ve seen on trail and in store use the Steps display, little screen that clamps on to the bars
I got the Rise for when I’m traveling and want to ride a trail more than once, difficult to re-ride with our elevation gains in BC on a post work ride, was getting injured for giving er the beans on a new trail or riding tired because of all the climbs by the time I knew a trail. Now can ride multiple runs and still feel brain sharp
Home trails still use the analog ride
Thanks Jeff! You are the best! I watch all your vids. I spent the extra $$$ for a customized M10 Rise. Iove it love it love it!
I just picked up the Tranistion Relay and it's been an absolute game changer. The ability to ride with or without the battery in a light weight minimalist build along with the Fazua 60 motor has blured the lines between an analog and electric mountain bike. Not to mention being able to create your own profiles that match your riding styles (trail, DH, enduro, etc.) by tweaking the motor ramp up power on each setting depending on how much cadence and input you give the pedals. This feature has been a priceless tool. And let's not forget how these bikes are starting to look like regular MTB's where most folks can't even tell if I"m riding an eMTB. Add to all this, eMTB's are now being more widely accepted, even at bike parks (queue Whistler bike park), so having builds like the Orbea Rise, Transition Relay, or Pivot Shuttle I feel are only going to get more popular as more folks start to learn what exactly this new tech can offer.
Agree.
I think the super light ebikes will dominate the e mountain bike market. As you have already noticed the extra weight on the full power ebikes necessitates more travel which is even more weight which lowers the efficiency so you have to put a bigger battery which adds more weight and the cycles continues thats why all of the full power ebikes are near or above 50lbs where the super lights get most of the way there for 38-40lbs. Some are coming out at 36.5-37lbs so just 6-7 lbs more than a regular trail bike with a motor and battery.
you are bloody good rider man!
Shimano has an E-Tube Ride app that's like your ride garmin app that can record stats, gps route, and shows your battery level in bars. It can be your screen if on a phone mount but I just chuck it in my pocket and check once in a while. The other app (just E-Tube) I use only for switching profiles and customizing the different assist levels on profile 2 (left profile 1 factory default).
Hi Jeff - Awesome review on the Rise.
I own an Occam and did a few upgrades. I actually installed a coil shock and replaced my fork with Fox36 to 160mm. I’ve thought about swapping the 160mm air shaft to an 150mm that was laying around but I figure 10mm wouldn’t be much noticeable to me 😅.
I do have the agree about the creaking noise in the rear triangle. Clean it up and all good.
I’d like to try an Orbea Rise one day, if it’s similar to my occam but just with some pedal assist on long climbing days.
Cheers buddy 🍻
Thanks for watching 1i! The occam was fun, so is the Rise, but I'd love a Rise-type of motor on a Rallon!!!
I have a specialized levo SL And love it. I know the Rise and the Levo SL are often compared. I sometimes ride with no assistance so for me the motor is almost like a gear in that I use when I need to but not always.
thanks for the honest review!
Thanks for watchin!
The Rsie looks absolutely awesome, I have a friend who did a local enduro race on the 2023 carbon one and he was 2nd against the full blown big boyz. Is there any chance you could review the Pivot Shuttle SL?
I like your riding style!
Sick review as per usual.
I’d be interested in you doing a deep dive into the Yeti 160E.
Thanks Rob! Yeah I was chatting with Yeti about that, but haven't pulled the trigger yet since not many folks are all that interested in EMTB. I don't see many clicks with my USA based audience on the e bike stuff, so I tend to stick to pedal bikes.
A Garmin Edge 530 or higher will display battery percentage, Power Mode, assist percentage in whatever mode you’re in (how much the motor is helping you) along with the normal speed and cadence data.
I have the Garmin Edge 130 Plus on my Rise M10 and it displays the battery percentage and what mode I am in. I just had to add the ebike field from Garmin Connect.
I am thinking of getting an e-mtb now. This and the Instinct Powerplay top my list. What do you think is better for big guys 250ish? Great vid as always.
Thx for a helpful review. I can't decide between one like this or Specialize equivalent. 75 year old that needs to upgrade from my beloved 26" Foes.
I have the H15 and I'm really impressed with it handling wise, very natural feeling bike, easy to get along with.
I would not want any more weight on my e-bike, if you have a active style of playfulness on autistic bikes you will feel the weight. If you have a more planted style you will almost only benefit from the weight.
Also the natural feeling when pedaling, even in more technical spots it feels almost like a regular bike. Might put a 160 airshaft in the fork.
Great review and videos as usual! Thanks!
Thanks for watching, Az!
I have a widget on my Garmin Fenix watch that shows battery percentage, assist level and range. You can also buy and add any of the Shimano displays.
I'd like to see a review of the new Trek Fuel Ex-E on TQ system and any of the bikes on new Fazua 60 motor. Like Pivot Shuttle SL. I'm a lighter rider, so a trail bike weighing ~16kg and having assist is just the absolute dream machine.
Super sick video! Would you ever consider trying Continentals new gravity range of tires - there aren't very many ride review videos on them, but they look really good...
MAaybe!
I am looking into the shuttle SL because in techy terrain it is easier to maneuver these bikes. But I am concerned about the 140 mm rear since we live in the alps… so 150 mm would be just perfect to have a good responsive damping w/o bottoming out. And well, range, we use often cable cars so we use it less for climbing but to accelerate more flatter trails etc.
I own a Rise H and really like it. Put on a lot of parts I like and it is more than capable for how I ride. I really appreciate how you frame who this bike is for very accurately. I’m not looking for the rowdiest of trails at my stage and the assist the Rise provides is plenty. Did get 4300’ on it the other day and could have gotten more if I laid of the boost but what’s the fun in that on a steep trail?
Right on Marty- nice work getting 4300' out of that battery!
I think these lighter, lower powered emtb will eventually take over the segment, possibly even become a new class which trail networks allow. The super light all Carbon ones are pretty close already, but with lighter batteries that are also higher capacity (so even more weight savings) and lighter more efficient motors they will probably be pretty close to big enduro bikes, definitely on par with DH bikes people shuttle. Perfect for regular bike climbs like you said where a newer or less fit and/or disabled rider needs a little help, or even athletes use them on recovery days, or even someone who wants easier climbs and more laps could be the difference between a quick after work ride or no ride.
That being said prices are going to have to drop enough to where there isn't a huge price difference.
I agree that the lighter eMTBs will take over. Manufacturers are not willing to experiment with better geometry to acomodate anything outside of regular MTB trails, so the more powerful eMTBs are somewhat pointless. Depends on where you ride, ofc.
The new 2023 is even lighter. The carbon version is down to 32lbs? Would be interesting to see you mullet one out. Lots of people have been 170/160 in that config and love it.
Welcome to Harborview-best riding in Victoria!
How was it on the push up trail to the top?
I love these trail ebikes. I have very similar but full power 150mm/140mm ebike that I ride on flat XC type trails. I used Boost mode a lot initially but once that novelty wore off it lives in Trail mode. It makes boring trails much more fun because I can maintain a higher trail speed which really opens up my opportunities for playing around on the trail. I can’t wait to see a future video with the Pivot Shuttle SL. For me, I think that would be the perfect ebike. Even the factory part spec would be my preferred choices.
Right on James! I was debating trying a Shuttle SL, but the eMTB videos don't get many views, so I decided to skip it for now. Gotta follower the views somewhat, and I do prefer pedal bikes over ebikes at the end of the day.
@@JeffKendallWeed I get that for sure. I agree with you, I much prefer the MTB over the eMTB when it comes to a choice.
@@JamesLG4 The novelty of the motor wears off once you're trying to hit jumps and get rowdy on a 60lb beast!
Also you need profile 2 for the better power. Profile 1 is the better range. Or indeed you can customise both profiles as required. Most people don’t know about profile 2. Recommend not adjusting the torque assist above standard as it batters the chain over powering on shifts
Loving my Rise M-LTD. If I'm riding with acoustic intermediate riders, I never even turn the bike on. Conversely, if I ride with strong riders on their full-power bikes, I pretty much have to have it on turbo the whole time.
H15 has really nice display that tells you everything.
Yes I think the lightweight ebikes are the new trend, I love my Trek Fuel Ex e. Cheers!
Congrats on the new bike Ray!
I never wanted an e-bike until this one came along. All I want from an e-bike is a little extra oomph so that my fitter friends don't have to be waiting for me on the climbs all the time. I think that new Trek Fuel EXe is gonna draw even more people to the dark side.
Right on Ken! Yea that Trek looks interesting!
💯 I’m about 10-15 years older and about 100 watts slower than most of my riding friends. Just need a little extra so they don’t wait on me.
Hey Jeff, use a works components headset to slacken your head angle
What about the new wild? Do you think it would suffer from the same issues?
I'm on a 2022 turbo levo expert and my good friend I ride with has a levo SL. He's planning to sell the SL and buy a turbo levo full fat.😉🤙🏽
As I approach my 60th birthday an ebike is starting to loom on the horizon. I am not slowing down on the DH but the uphills seems steeper every day. I would like the least amount of assist (low weight sacrifice) and still have an aggressive and relatively light trail/enduro bike.
any plans to review the new Ibis Oso? also I know they don't offer them on Jenson but I would love to see you giving your opinion on the transition sentinel or patrol
Hey Frank, Jenson actually has them in stock: bit.ly/IbisOsoJensonUSAjkw. That said, there are so few of them that I wasn't able to get a loaner bike when they came out. With how much more views and sales we see with analog bikes, likely a result of my USA based audience, I haven't made much movement to get an Oso in.
Hi, great video as always. I know I'm late to this, but can you not just connect to the app before you leave and leave it connected during your ride? It seems like this would make checking the battery level way faster.
The Shimano ride app allows you to have the battery level shown on your phone while riding. Unfortunately only a five bar display. eride app gives the battery level in percentages but you have to stop and turn the bike off and on like Jeff was doing.
Awesome bike 👍🤘❤❤❤
Thanks Tomas!
I have a SL LEVO and Turbo Levo Pro but I'll always choose the Full-Powered over the SuperLight! I'm excited for a Orbea Rise Cascade Link for these Middle Light eBikes, more rear travel!
Levo SL is trash.. go ride a orbea rise hydro and compare it to a full fat, i had 3 full fat ebike and now i have orbea rise h30 and the power is almost the same i mean not as much but i think its plenty!
@@badhabit2889 naaah I luv my full-powered eMTBs #Yeti160e & #SCBullit are way better than Orbea
How do you ask your local bike shop to service your Orbea rise carbon or pivot SL (8-11K) purchased from Jenson USA? Are the local shops capable and willing to maintain an e-bike?
Great vid here + the comparo vs. the Rocky Mountain - did you run the Rise in 60 Nm in that comparison (Profile 2's default Boost), or was it Profile 1's default Boost of 47 Nm during those climbs where the Rise didn't quite make it up the obstacle? Huge help to know this for those of us on the fence btwn Rise and 80+ Nm bikes.
Also, thanks for the tip on 3 reverse turns of the rear wheel jump-starting a seemingly dead power button situation.
Keep up the great work!
I rode the Rise once in the stock configuration back in June, then promptly adjusted it as shown in this video (Eco at 25%, Trail at 50%, Boost at 100%). The Rocky has nearly double the power, at 108nm, vs the 60nm of the Rise. But it honestly doesn't matter- most people NEVER try to pedal up those motorcycle hill climbs that we did in the comparo vid. The Rise is more than enough power to get up anything that analog bikes have any hope of climbing.
Most riders looking at e-bikes are just looking for a little extra wattage on the climbs. They’re not looking to climb unridable sections. Then on the way down they want a playful bike that’s fun in the corners. Full power e-bikes get you up quick, but the descents are not nearly as fun and nimble as a light ebike. Can’t wait for the Orbea to get the Fazua motor and get price below $5,000. That would be game over for the ebike market.
What's that green backpack? Great vid as always!
My EVOC hydration pack, or my Shimoda filming pack?
@@JeffKendallWeed The EVOC, thanks!
Hy Jeff one question. You ride the bike in size M, right?
Could you tell me which is your height in cm. Thx in advance!
Hi mate. Nice review. I have a rise and notice a bit of flex in the rear when doing hard turns compared to my old analogue canyon spectral. Did you notice any flex after the wheel change?
Hey Adrian, thanks for the note- I noticed the Rise is significantly stiffer than the Occam platform. That said, the Rise is not a mega burly, mega stout bike. It's pretty easy to push it past its design intent when going fast on black diamond level trails.
@@JeffKendallWeed thanks for the reply! It looks like a green trail in Canada is equivalent to a black here in Australia 😂
I do still love my Rise though, I am not strong enough to man handle a full fat ebike and fitness is no issue so it is perfect.
Also, cool to see in your other videos that you rode trials. I too was a fellow trials rider than converted to MTB. Trials skills are so handy!
I’ve ridden the carbon version of this bike, it’s quite good, going down I forgot it was an ebike. But they do need to slacken the head tube a bit.
But definitely prefer low power-small battery lightweight ebikes, they maneuver like a normal bike which is much more fun for me. Fat ebikes make me feel like I’m fighting the weight.
Right on Riq, yea I spent a couple days on the carbon version, and it was great!
Which front mudguard is used on the bike.?
I spy a shotgun kids seat headset spacer. You didn’t mention it’s an awesome bike to ride the kids around on! Love cruising my H15 with the little dude riding “shotgun”. Great review
Wonder how this compares to the latest light ebike, the Pivot Shuttle SL.
Yeah, I was a bit curious about that too, but since my audience much prefers analog content, I skipped the chance to ride the Shuttle SL. Maybe if time allows one day!
Plans of doing a review of a Transition Patrol ?
tried one a couple weeks back at an official Orbea test day, I went there hoping I wouldn't like it, but damn I was wrong! my mtb is an Orbea Laufey size XL, with 38mm rise bars, +10mm stem, I've installed a RS Yari 160 in place of the oem Z2 to better suit my weight and riding style, I'm 190cm tall, 90+kg: a stock Rise H size XL felt and looked quite small, yet it was plenty playful and capable, so much fun! it kept asking me to push harder and harder on the climbs, and on the downs I really enjoyed the suspension, it's really being the first time I actually liked it: I had the mechanics set it as hard and dampened as possible, and it was superbe. I wish I could try one with my regular front end setup now. or maybe not? my wallet is saying no, not yet. :D
Hahaha yeah the Rise platform is a lot of fun!!! More of the benefits of "e" with less of the drawbacks.
@@JeffKendallWeed i live right next to the border between Italy and France, I can totally see myself climbing on top of mountains that I currently hikeabike to.. and bombing down like I'm doing on my regular mtb, probably even better. as soon as these light ebikes will allow us to go climb 4-5000m vertical in the time it takes to do 2000m on our regular mtb, then I'll be sold!
Would you pick the Alum or Carbon frame?
If you get a Rise of your own, would you consider the mullet build with long-shocking the rear and a 160-170 fork?
I did it to mine and it’s essentially a light Enduro E-MTB now.
Great video as always 👍💚
It comes down to this vs trek exe to me if I decide to go for emtb
Also I love my Rise. I have about 5000 kms on it now.
I am in the market to get the RISE but is the extra money for the carbon version worth it or is the alu version ok? I am a beginner :-)
You need to get the rise back and do some long manuals on it ;) !!! :)
Jeff, I have mentioned to you before that the Rise was the bike I was really interested in having (if I went e). That was before the Shuttle and I'd like to try that one too.......but all of my riding buddies kept asking me when I'd want to get an ebike. My answer??? "When Ibis makes one". Welp......😆😆
ibis have released the OSO. i guess it's time!
@@johntanchin2545 There are about 11,000 excuses not to get an OSO tho =)
Hahaha yeah I need to try an Oso one day! Not sure how different it is from the Rise, but it's only 4lbs heavier... Just where exactly does it carry that 4lbs, though?
Minimalist e-mtbs will win in the end. Nobody wants to have to lift a +50lb e-mtb onto a bike rack, or worry about transporting on bike rack (especially when the bike rack is on the back of a camper). Simulating a traditional mtb experience is where most people will land. Orbea’s rise is hot on my list. Btw, you can get the lcd shimano handlebar info screen for this bike and ditch the dumb minimalist stock display
This is the category I want. I just want a little help, not full blown e ride. My ride time has diminished over the last two years and now I can't quite keep up on group rides. To the point I avoid the rides sometimes. With a little help I would be right there and ride more. I just don't like the handling of the full fat ebikes. On tight singletrack you have to wrestle it a lot. I think this class of light ebike will get me where I want to be. Looking at the Transition Relay and Trek Fuel EXE.
Same exact reasons in my case. I considered those bikes as well but got a great deal and custom specs on a 2022 H15.
You're riding way harder and way faster than I'll ever ride, which is why I liked the Rise so much (two day rental in Bentonville). It's a fun bike and very lively feeling for a e-mtb, provided you don't ride like a maniac ( you)
Thanks for this liekable and informative video and BIG KUDOS that you send the Rise over more gnarly stuff than most of the other youtube testers. To me this sounds like a very capable bike for what you have been riding in this video. What I always stumble upon is the bike category. In Germany we roughly have 5 categorys, grouped by suspension travel. Cross Country with up to 100mm, Trail 120-150mm, All Mountain 140-160mm, Enduro 160-180mm and Downhill above 180mm. To me the Rise sits between Trail and All Mountain, and especially this video has some serious All Mountain sections, as far as I am concerned. So I do not like the TRAIL category for this bike too much, bcause I feel that this will mislead many european riders, that the bike is not good for some serious stuff. Orbea itself only has two categorys, TRAIL and ENDURO. Maybe the All Mountain category has fused with Trail over the years....?!
Thanks indigo! I feel the Rise is pretty squarely a trail bike, though the amount of travel it has often has folks thinking it's more capable. The geo is a little nervous for burlier stuff, and Orbea strongly advised me NOT to put a 160 fork on it.
Thanks for your kind reply. Which e-bike light would you recommend for 160mm in the front and a more stable ride? In Germany the Focus Jam2 SL, the Haibike LYKE or the Lapierre e-zesty are also strong contenders. @@JeffKendallWeed
I own the same bike. Congratulations for the honest reviews that talk also about the limits of the Rise. It’s a very trial oriented eMTB, not an anduro at all. The rear suspension is even less efficient than the 140mm suggests. The steep head angle and the very short Front / Center dimension don’t help on steep and gnarly trails or on slow natural drops. The rear end it’s very noisy. On the other end this geometry can help to have a more agile behavior on easier trails for not so expert riders. In your opinion, what’s the best eMTB for a rider like me that is searching for the maximum speed and fun on downhill, riding also steep moto trails up? Thank you from Itlay 😊
Man I thought the rear suspension was plenty efficient! Anyhow, I really like the Rocky Mountain PowerPlay platform for the more extreme type of riding.
The rounded rocks are the result of glacial action with ice and smaller embedded and abrasive rock grinding away the surface.
I vote for lightweight bike with minimal motor assist. I like my Ripley AF but if I could get a lighter bike that also had motor assist I would go for it. I am thinking in the sub 34 lb range. A smaller battery is OK if a range extender mounted in a bottle cage is available.
nice Video. the roundness of the Rocks is because of glacial influence during ice ages.
Ahhhh thanks Johannes!
Great video. Please say maybe three words to M vs. H version 🙌
Oh I only have two days on the M version, so I don't feel qualified to do a legit comparo. It was a bit lighter, but with how often I got home with only 1 bar of battery on the H, I'd rather have the H version.
Ebikes are cool but if you can’t ride it on normal mtb trails, I’d never buy one for the Carolina areas. In New Zealand we can ride class 1 ebikes anywhere and that’s awesome I like light weight e bikes
Watching this while popping at work
Popping?
What about the Elephant ( I mean, Ibis..LOL) in the Room??
Hey Norbert, Jenson actually has them in stock: bit.ly/IbisOsoJensonUSAjkw. That said, there are so few of them that I wasn't able to get a loaner bike when they came out. With how much more views and sales we see with analog bikes, likely a result of my USA based audience, I haven't made much movement to get an Oso in.
I'm looking at that Trasition Relay really hard. It should be comming out next mouth so well see...
Yeah that looks exciting!
I’m torn between this or a Occum H20 LT
Tough call! I have more fun riding the pedal bikes, personally, but it depends on where you ride most often, and your own fitness level. The main plus to the ebikes is that it's easier to get up the trail, the downside is that the descending suffers, and there are far more technical problems that can come up.
The h15 have the shimano display
Thanks Jeff. What if you're 230 lbs and want to put your 2 year old in a shotgun style seat? Does this have enough power?
The Rise 100% would have enough power to bring a kid on a MacRide with a heavier rider up any sort of trail that an analog bike would be able to climb. The Rise was AWESOME with my 5 year old on the Mac Ride. Just dont expect to do near vertical moto climbs- but honestly, those are too dangerous for a kid aboard!
@@JeffKendallWeed thanks Jeff!!
Spesh sl is a great bike. I loved it. But I couldn’t justify that cash v that little power. The rise however, boom. Poppy 60nm almost twice the power. I can’t deal with the weight of full power bikes. They destroy the ride and restrict the riding fun of throwing the thing around and picking it up too much for me, although that power is nice I’d have to ride it for a week to get fit. Rise is the best power to weight ratio for the money for me. And I don’t think anyone beat that ratio yet, for the cash. Did they? The ability to lift and place the front wheel exactly where you want it is absolutely key for me. So at the time, no full power bikes for me. But now I see the new wild is almost knocking on the same door for weight. What will we have. In a few years? 90nm and 15kg. Come on Orbea we are due a new rise.
Anyone knows how to lose the squeaky sounds on the bike?
Ya huge miss on the rise is the dropper length fiasco. I have to run a Oneup due to overall shortness of the post. I dont love it but at least I can get a 180mm dropper.
I can't believe brands haven't figured out the dropper insertion depth thing, must be too many roadies in charge of product development! Glad you got sorted with the OneUp!
The 3 power modes limitation on shimano motors is just silly. Put instead 5 and let people do their settings. For some a 10-25-40-60-100 makes sense. For others 5-25-50-75-100... It is much granular and user friendly this way. Not to mention the power savings you can get. 3 steps is way to less
Try out the 2023 model now.
what about a range extender?
I had same doubt. Apparently there are 2 extenders, one for carbon frames (M), and another for alloy frames (H). This is the second one: www.jensonusa.com/Orbea-Rise-H-Range-Extender
Then you lose the bottle cage...
@@JeffKendallWeed here in Spain, if you need an extender, you need also 3L water in the camelback anyway :-p
@@elnoziya La verdad! Echo de menos todo de Espana!
I think the trail oriented wheelset is a limitation of this bike, too much flex making it squirrely. Throwing on some stiffer wheels might have made it feel a bit better.
Leider kann ich kein Englisch schreiben, ich hoffe du kannst es übersetzen lassen. Das Mtb ist der Hammer, aber wir du fährst ist eine Augenweide, ich könnte dir stundenlang zusehen beim Fahren Das grenzt an Perfektion es ist so estetisch wie kann man nur so gut Mountainbike Fahren besser gehs nicht Gruß Roland
It baffles me in the US that they ban e-bikes from certain trails, that has to change surely as some have stated in this thread these type of bikes will dominate the MTB sector in the years to come and Analogue bikes will be become a very very small minority for every day social riders, these trails will become deserted as no one will be able to go ride them, this will put a lot of pressure on local business especially bike shops, coffee shops that are set up near the trail head/car parks.
First comment! Love your videos bro
Thanks man!
Yes it'll takeover. Full weight ebike is just not nearly as fun on DH with all that weight and you still get a good workout with SL ebike
Generally I agree! I do love riding out-of-the-ordinary places on the bigger eMTBs, but most consumers will never do that, so we'll likely see a big shift in the industry,
@@JeffKendallWeed Yea agreed, there is a place for bigger eMTBs for riders to live near many moto trails.
Love your honesty in your bike videos and your riding style! it's fun to watch. Since you have ridden many bikes 29er and mullit. Curious, do you think having a 27.5 wheel in the back, actually helps with clearance and space moving/maneuvering around the bike with your active riding style?
For context, I'm 5'9 and my 29" rear wheel does hit me in the butt from time to time riding, especially on awkward technical part of the trail and drop.
I recall 1 of your video you said you didn't like the balance in turning of 2 diff size wheeels. I would love to see a comparison video of you riding 29 vs mullit, especially given your riding style and height.
@@andrewchow523 I've grown more accustomed to the mullet config on the Stylus hardtail, and it's better for trail riding than dual 27.5 on that bike, but I do prefer dual 29. Consumer hype that "mullet must be better!" isn't founded in reality IMO, the loss in balance, traction, and efficiency of the 27.5 rear wheel isn't worth a slight gain in clearance. I rarely ever buzz my bum, especially not on modern, long wheelbase bikes.
@@JeffKendallWeed Thank you for your insight on this!
If I bought an e-bike it would have a dual crown and have the biggest amount of battery and motor. All or nothing
Jeff. Please stop using the term acoustic. The bike has nothing to do with sound. Call it a trad or traditional bike instead please. It’s a far more accurate term.
If given a choice I’d go full power long travel enduro ebike. 170mm travel in the rear.
Great review as always. Please, don't call traditional bikes Acoustic ... acoustic literally means audible in greek. You can call them analog bikes if you want to contradict the "electric / assisted" (or simply traditional / un-assisted), but please, acoustic makes zero sense.
Curious for someone to throw a 9point8 Slack-R on a Rise.
LOL thanks for the tip on nomenclature! I do prefer acoustic bikes, but it's fun to plug in and rock out with the electrified style on occasion!
What the heck is that girl doing on the boat in this video...pooking her backpack with french fries?? WTF
LOL I think a sea gull raided her lunch, knocking it over.
It’s pretty ridiculous ebikes are not allowed on any trail.
Full fat all day.