Victor NOT SO Timely | Loki Season 2 Theory
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Loki Season 2 episode 6 has finally concluded, and we're here to answer some huge questions! Who is Victor Timely? Who is He Who Remains? And where does Kang the Conqueror fit into all of this? Some things are shady with Victor Timely's origin, and we're here to solve them!
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I have to break your logic with the first one here.... "If he's a variant he would be pruned" . .. .Okay... Let's just break that one down real quick. The TVA preserves the "sacred timeline." But who decides what the "sacred timeline" is? He Who Remains. HWR is the one who tells the TVA what is and isn't supposed to be happening. No one in the TVA knows that Victory Timely is a variant, because no other version of him exists in that time. If HWR tells them that Victory Timely is part of the Sacred Timeline, they're not going to argue because they believe it's a direct order from the Time Keepers. Additionally, we know that Ms. Minutes is a creation of HWR and he uses her as part of his fail-safes. She would be able to keep the TVA from perceiving Timely as a variant, thus ensuring his safety. Keep in mind that Ms. Minutes knew about Victor Timely and convinces Renslayer to give him the book. This shows that she had a pre-existing knowledge of Timely, and she would have worked to protect him under the direction of He Who Remains. No matter what other evidence we see, we do know that Ms. Minutes was both aware of his presence and aware of his purpose and thus would protect Timely until HWR was killed and the timeline needed to be reset. Even the logic of "he would create more branches constantly" doesn't really hold when you look at it, because those timelines would be naturally branching out anyways. The way it's portrayed is that each minor difference is a separate timeline. This means that every single decision that could ever be made would constantly be creating branches (as we see when The Loom begins to fail.) They would likely be pruning any branches that came off without being informed of what the real cause of them are.
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"He who remains" is the one dictating what the sacred timeline is in the first place, and we know that he wiped the TVA's collective memories at least once. Therefore he could take the infant back in time and then the branch that grows from there becomes the "sacred timeline" by pruning everything else and then maintaining that singular timeline.
IE: The sacred timeline is the one in which he brings a variant child version of himself into the past, which means that action cannot cause branches because it is a temporal loop of cause and effect and is something that MUST happen on that timeline.
The sacred timeline isn't something that always existed, it's what HE decided it would be [the timeline where he won the multiversal war and that led upto the moment shortly before Sylvie killed him.
Not only that, but the very process of maintaining the "sacred timeline", the Loom, is nothing more than a failsafe to ensure that he has to be saved from death and perpetuate the status quo otherwise the Kang variants would return, as stated in the final episode of season 2.
Your very premise of this theory, being that he cannot bring a child version of himself into the past, is flawed and causes your whole argument to fall apart.
TVA - rephrase it from the back, you get - A Victor Timely.
And then you have the "one he who remains" greeting Loki & Slvie as though he knows them like friends, like Loki and Slvie at that point do not know Victor Timely
I’d say Loki season 2 is the best writing post endgame. Thanks for another great theory.
Finally!!! Someone who understands what I saw so clearly. Excellent breakdown.
Makes sense in a “kinda makes sense” kind of way
Loki is everything RIGHT with marvel
i think the big reason victor timely and hwr are different is the book hwr if he is a variant of victor timely without the book grew up in the late 1800s early 1900s building from very limited resources until eventually he presumably is able to create the tva victor meanwhile grew up with the book learned everything from it he could and built upon that hwr would have seen himself as the smartest man of his age and would likely have some arrogance victor sees ouroboros as far smarter then he is because ouroboros layered the foundations he used to invent thus has less confidence
tldr I think the tva handbook gave victor timely impostor syndrome
i there a distinction between versions of kang in another universes and variants from branches
Makes sence!
I don't think that the 70s vibe of the TVA is because it's "older designs" as that's conflated two totally different things, Time Travel tech which doesn't exist in our world and 70s/early 80s computers and the like. "Old Tech" means two different things here - more primitive Kang tech and more primitive IRL tech.
It's more like this - Think about it more like how the music you're attached to is what you listen to growing up - If received notes from other versions of Kang that helped him prolong his life, then he would have lived through the 20th Century, picking up cultural influence. For a long lived being like He Who Remains, the 70s might very well have ended up being like a fondly remembered teenage summer.
It's also very likely that the 70s is when he abandoned Earth in the Sacred Timeline to form the TVA. It was literally formed in the 70s, which is why it looks like it's from the 70s - not too different from a lot of real world bureaucracy. An awful lot of "modernity" in terms of institutions, particularly technological ones were started in the 70s - the first email was sent in 1971, the first cellular phone in 1973, Synthesisers becoming mainstream, the birth of the Microprocessor and home computers like the Apple II etc.
It's the first time Victor would have seen technology somewhat recognisable to whatever he managed to get a hold of from the other Kangs, even if it's aesthetically very different.
It wouldn't make sense for the technology to be *worse* because otherwise how would he keep all the other Kangs in check? Granted this was after the war, but if the TVA tech was *old* then the tech he used in the war would be *even older*. Now it makes sense a lot of the TVA might be recycled, older inventions if the War depleted his most advanced weapons and tech via attrition, but there's only so far you can extended that.
Yes, some of the TVA Tech is functionally worse than typical Kang tech(or at least the tech the most advanced Kang variants have, as they are presumably the ones to call the meeting) which makes sense if it came about by different means and much of it was literally created in the actual 70s, but there's ways in which it's potentially powerful too. So for the most part, it mostly just *looks* that way because that was "the future" a long lived Timely ended up living too, but this also emphasises the differences, most of which are more advanced than the average Kang, but less than the most.
i thought it was a branch the whole time
Oh ok actually you did explain it. Good job.
If i was loki, I would be hot, imnnot2
Bro in multiverse of madness why reed Richards using the dual teleportation too😮
wait season 2 is out? imma go watch it and come bac
It’s very good! I would definitely recommend it!
Why is Gamora?
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First off Kane was referring to the armies of himself in the multiversal war secondly he said not every version meaning there would be some who were. And if victor did had the potential for evil I think the show would have shown that but even miss minutes says you”lol never be him. Don’t get me wrong a like a lot of your work Rem but the problem with these types of theories is that they try to over write the original narrative “in this case the ability to choose our future” or they try to make the story dark than it was meant to be it’s all very MatPat either way is all.😅
You do realize the show is already dark? Also, there's a thing called nuance, which would allow some wiggle room.
I no I wasn’t trying to bum anyone, this show my point was trying to make the show grim dark in sense it was never meant to a hit a REM or anything
Too bad Kang got cancelled