Why Ray Houghton chose Ireland and Pat Nevin played for Scotland
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- čas přidán 3. 05. 2018
- Both from Irish families and both natives of Glasgow, Houghton and Nevin went down different paths at international level.
At our BoyleSports Roadshow at The Back Page pub in Phibsborough, Dublin, they told Kevin Kilbane why they went for Ireland and Scotland respectively - Sport
Its 2021 in America the Irish diaspora is celebrated as a culture but yet in Scotland were still treated with distain. Proud to be an Irishman even with an accent like Pat and Ray.
Fair play to Ray Houghton for sticking to his guns, had a fine career which he can be very proud of. Scotland royally screwed up missing out on him.
Saw Ray make his debut for Oxford Utd....awesome player......flat out for 90 mins....that guy never stopped running........legend
Pat Nevin on his day was something else
Yeah...bit annoying though
@@sratus so is your mustache lol
@@leegilmour8090 Best take that up with Paul McCartney then Lee as it's his
My Uncle went to School with Ray in London, he was known as Scotty back then.
I'm a Scotsman living in London, proud to be a Londoner and BRITISH!
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Used to watch pat at Chelsea up front with dixon and speedier. Top man.
Great story... love hearing stories about the Glasgow Irish!!!
I prefer the stories about the Dublin Scottish
John Jameson maybe.
Kilbane and Nevin both been seen at mayo gaa games lol like they've never spoken. Good interview though. Love Ray - should've played for Scotland. Nevin didn't want to talk about his mate Roxburgh. Roxburgh should have played Nevin more for Scotland
Darren Fletcher has also been to several Mayo games over the years, although he chose to play for Scotland.
This is brilliant! Ray I remember you were bloody good at Fulham and Pat,outstanding at Clyde!
No doubt, Ray has a big Buncrana heed on him! :)
100%
Love Ray! spit of my da too 😂
Houghton lived in the same close as Arthur Graham in Castlemilk Glasgow
Couldn't imagine players like Tierney choosing Ireland over Scotland. Thank God!
He couldn't. Tierney doesn't have Irish grandparents. Tierney has more distant Irish ancestry.
bloody good blokes
Pat you weren’t easterhouse you were Barlanark cos my dads family lived round the corner on Kerrera road and yours was on Duncansby road ✌️
Remember watching ray playing for ireland b v belgium b in turners cross
Niven was brilliant and has the same family names as my siblings and my surname is Nolan lolz.
Bloody hell does Ray go on.
Is he paid by the word??
Andy Roxburgh knew absolutely F all about fitba
Tell me about it. Imagine thinking Ray Houghton wasn't good enough but Jack Charlton (for Ireland) and Kenny Dalglish (for Liverpool) both thought otherwise
Good pundit to listen to is Pat!
I would play for Czechoslovakia
I think Nevin is wrong. Houghton was a player who saw a lot of the ball, and was encouraged to beat his man, and come inside from the wing. If Nevin had an opportunity there he would have prospered with it, but a good guy, and understand why he felt more Scottish than the rest of the family
Not sure I am completely buying this from Ray Houghton. He was 24 and had never had a full cap from Scotland. He probably thought that he didn't have a shot with Scotland, who had not shortage of top midfield players at that time, and so took the call from Ireland when it came his way.
Not convinced on the story about Roxburgh not picking English based players either. He was the U16 coach when Scotland won the Euros in 1982, and that team had a number of English based players, as did his later full Scotland teams. I suspect he was just being overlooked by Roxburgh because he had better options.
I would chose Ireland
Best played for N.I.
Two wing wizards!
A bit arrogant of Houghton to expect The Scotland manager to know who a little kid from London was and treat him like he was special
Bizarre. Absolutely bizarre
Why?
Their parents being from Ireland contributed their feeling Irish. What's really bizarre is that there's people in Ireland whose ancestors have been here for four hundred years who say they aren't Irish.
How national socialist of you
@incogneto true its scots, they are the immigrant people from scotland planted in Ulster, youre right they dont have a blood claim to any part of Ireland.
@incogneto no they havent, sorry I thought you may have known the basic history of something youre commenting on. So wait are they Irish then or Irish with scottish blood?
I can understand Scottish Celtic fans of a certain age supporting Ireland due to how Irish immigrants were treated but doing it now is just embarrassing. Scottish identity includes Irish ancestry as it should.
There have been times when people of Scottish descent represented Scotland. Sean Lineen is from New Zealand and played for Scotland at rugby. Richard Gough is South African and Don Huthcison is English and they played football for Scotland. It works both ways.
So despite your nationality being Scottish you didn't play for Scotland because you didn't like that guy lol. I'll go play for Ireland instead.
And becam a legend
Would you stay somewhere that nobody wanted you?.
It's a better excuse than NI loyalists have
@@jackdeegan3617 Andy Roxburgh told Richard Gough it'd be better to play in Scotland so he could watch him more easily. Houghton wasn't rejected because of his ancestry rather the fact that he played in England.
It's a strange one. He sounds like he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder. Pat Nevin knows it's possible to be proud of your ancestry while still feeling Scottish
Wales, Scotland and Ireland will take anybody 😂😂
If you have a pulse you qualify to play for them.
Have you looked at the English rugby and cricket teams? Mug.
Maybe that's why ye couldn't beat us
Joe baker was Scottish. Owen Hargreaves is Canadian. John Barnes is Jamaican. Basil d'oliveira was south African. Which country did these 3 footballers and 1 cricketer represent? England!!!!!!!
If you had a brain you’d be human 😂
THE ENGLISH SET UP ????
SINCE TIME BEGAN;
THE 4 COUNTRIES THAT MAKE UP THE BRITISH ISLES WAS ENGLISH FOOTBALL UNTIL THE 1990S
THEN ENGLAND CLAIMED ALL THE COMMONWEALTH PLAYERS.
THEN IT WAS THE EUROPEAN PLAYERS, NOW THEY HAVE THE 5 CONTINENTS.
ENGLAND. V. scotland
P 115
W48. D26. w 41
G195. g 171
And we once had a policy ( STUPID)
NOT TO PICK Scots who played in ENGLAND.
LIVERPOOL WAY BACK 15 SCOTS
1 WELSH 3 IRISH 2 ENGLISH. 3 OF IRISH WERE IN THE MANAGEMENT TEAM. ENGLAND HAS 50,+ MILLION
SCO WALES N.IRELAND AND IRELAND COMBINED AROUND15MILLION.
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Kilbane is a Dummy.
He crucified Rice for eventually choosing England to pursue his International career,and here he is months and months ago listening to former players with strong Irish connections explaining to him their reasons for selecting Ireland or Scotland.The difference between Houghton,Nevin
versus Kilbane is that they would have easily been selected for either country,absolutely no question,Kilbane would never in a million years have been asked to play for England,he wasn’t good enough to have had that dilemma.
He did at under18 and turned them down
Rice took 3 senior caps. Houghton attended a training session.
sarah boyd You could be right there Sarah
Rees Jones Denis Irwin would have walked into the England side in the 1990s, Paul McGrath too.
CJ Yes, and he arguably had the best years of his career afterwards- he won the PFA Player of the Year award in 1993, starred at two world cups, was outstanding when Villa stopped United doing the treble in 1994. Pearce too was an outstanding player but was selected more often at full back if memory serves.
Denis Irwin was probably the best full back in the Premier League in the 1990s and his medal tally demonstrates that. A very good free kick taker and crosser of the ball too, only for David Beckham emerging he would have racked up some goal tally for a defender. So yes, a better footballer than Graeme Le Saux.
If your Eireland's capital is Dublin, are you an immigrant, asylum seeker or foreigner in this mythical UK! ! !