Red Komodo: Should You Upgrade from Mirrorless?
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Got my Komodo a month ago. Absolutely in love with it. Ended up spending over 10k because I needed SDI cables, monitors, converters, CFast cards and oh so many mounts, handles and other stuff. You could manage with less, but if you want to rig it out properly, you'll end up spending quite a bit.
Coming from the GH5s this is on a whole other level. Loving RED raw, the color science and the dynamic range. Never going back to mirrorless. I'm 100% bringing this on my next trip.
EDIT: FORGOT MY FAVORITE FEATURE: THE APP. Never touched a camera app this polished. You can literally do anything.
I’m with you on the remote app, that will be such a game changer on set
How amazing is that global shutter?
Ted Borel I'm usually running it on a gimbal so I haven't noticed it that much. Had some nice and straight light poles when flying at high speeds on the Alta 6 the other week though 😊
Since you have the Komodo maybe you can help, does it do raw internally to the CFast card or do you have to hook up an external recorder to it?
@@alexsystems2001 internally
Ania can literally do any scene so well! You guys are a great team!
She steals the show anywhere she shows up, she’s the best 👸🏻
Me: red Komodo is cool
Tyler: red Komodo comes in at about 9k
Me: I don’t think the red is for me
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@Joshua from Bakersfield Wow I don't even know you can get this much by donating plasma! Are there any side effects?
@Joshua from Bakersfield Where do you donate plasma that pays $75 a pop? I've just been going to the hospital to donate blood and they give me movie tickets lol.
@Joshua from Bakersfield Yeah, I'll check 'em out. Kinda sucks having to walk around with a bruised arm full of holes all the time though, no?
Depends on what do you expect. It’s definitely worth $6k compare to what competitors have. It’s always good to think of benefits you can get out of it
This video singlehandedly sold me on the Komodo. I remember watching it a year ago when it came out and being blown away by this review. 12 months later I just got mine and couldn't be happier. Thank you Tyler!
Despite my almost complete lack of interest in buying any RED camera, this video made me subscribe. Understanding color neutrality was the tipping point. Didn’t know I wanted to know that.
There is so much confusion about color out there. Consumer cameras have more visible color and tonal qualities, but the more professional the camera, the less desirable that is.
Great video Tyler. I totally agree with your statement at the end regarding going to CZcams for your answer of which camera you should shoot on. It should depend on your needs and your work. Thanks for sharing your take on this unique camera!
Thanks Griffin! I get too many DMs asking “should I buy x or y” and the real answer is usually “what are using it for and how much money do you have in the bank”?
2020 is just the year of video cameras...so many great choices!
A dream for every video maker. Thanks for that video!
Love the colours of your vlog man. Preach 🙌🏽
The most honest guy I’ve met. Bin a Subscriber for a while. Btw I love your music transition towards the end you really do engage with the viewer can’t wait to see you have multiple million subscribers you will be there!
Thanks for the video Tyler!
The most important thing that no one talks about is ur final conclusion I really respect u for that and u get my sub
Dude, the footage is like a movie..
Watching this video because I just color calibrated my monitor and I know your video's are amazingly color graded! Also dang that footage looks clean!
I think you’ll see better colors in the other red video, this one was a struggle to grade
I am glad you did mention Blackmagic a bit, but I think they are a much bigger part of the conversation. The Ursa Mini Pro G2 is about the same price, and has a lot of advantages, save form factor and overall resolution (which doesn't bother me much). I would take Internal ND vs 6K and day of the week. Slow motion is important to me, and the Komodo is way behind BM.
The Ursa Mini is also the size of a Range Rover and about as reliable as one. I adore Blackmagic, but it's a shame that they didn't advance the original BMCC bodies with modern sensors. They just seem confused as to what they want to be these days.
happy holidays ! appreciate this video. made me think if red komodo is. righ fit for my gigs and projects. thanks again!
Another great video. Yes is actually Blackmagic and RED for me. Blackmagic is an amazing cinema camera. We shot car commercials with it.
I would really like to spend time shooting with Blackmagic, especially their new RBG sensor
2:56 (top right dark spot) is a great example of how sensor stabilization can cause issues (moving vignettes) when your lens image circle is barely big enough to cover your sensor. This is also the reason cinema cameras don’t have sensor stabilization.
Great video! Just thought that clip was a perfect example of why stabilized sensors aren’t desirable in the world of cinema. ☺️
Edit; either that, or it’s the polarizer shifting slightly. 😅
I know what you mean but in that case it's just lens vignette. This was on the older 16-35mm and it suffers from a lot wide open
Colorgrade in this film is perfect! Thumbs up!
*Your vlog looks beautiful*
😍😍😍
Hi Tyler, are you planning on making an A7sIII video? I'm mean, I'm getting it regardless but I'd love to see your video about it 🥰
the 2 big draw backs to me with the red komodo, it can event hit 50/60fps in 6k its already a crossed sensor I doesn't like the idea of cropping more just to compensate for that.
How red sees blues in low light
Could you share the komodo colour grading workflow? Is it difficult to expose correctly?
I'm very curious to see how Sony's upcoming FX6 is going to turn out. It seems to be targeting a similar audience as the RED Komodo, both being compact cinema workhorses. And as someone who's coming from the Sony ecosystem as a photographer, not having to worry about getting new lenses is always a plus.
The biggest upside for me though is the sheer convenience that the Sony FS/FX cameras bring to the table. No need to rig them out to get them to suit my needs, they've got everything in a nicely designed body that don't require any bells and whistles.
Here's to hoping that the FX6 has a spec sheet similar to the A7SIII!
For sure, the FX6 and the Canon C70 will be extremely interesting! Its a tough time to choose a camera
I’m expecting the FX6 to be similar to the A7SIII but with the addition of a workhorse body with their amazing E-VND, XLR audio inputs. More buttons and dials on the side that made the FS5 so nice to operate. Even better/infinite record times and maybe the Slomo Buffer recording function at high framerates.
@@bananasandbass I would imagine that it is safe to say the FS6 won't have any of the advanced slow motion features of the A7S III. I'll be amazed if they put 4k 120 in a pro body for that price.
Easy choice if it's priced competitively and has 10 bit 422. Built in NDs, XLR and a nicer form factor. No-brainer.
I'm from the future and the FX6 is amazing. It's so amazing it's a Netflix approved camera.
Thanks so much for this! Can you link us to the gear for running the komodo off an external battery? Im running into an issue balancing with my batteries and my SIRUI 24mm.
Which Lens are you using for blogging? I like that wide angle. Nice review, thank you!
Film cameras do have a rolling shutter, that's where the term rolling shutter comes from. It used to be a spinning mechanical disk. It would be impossible to expose every part of a film frame at once because no mechanical shutter could ever move faster than the speed of light.
No, you're confusing things. A rotary shutter on a film camera and a rolling shutter (digital image being scanned line by line horizontally) are two different things. In a rotary shutter, the full film frame can be completely exposed but a digital rolling shutter cannot capture all lines at the same time, that's why flashes get cut off on digital and why there's jello effect.
The different angles of the rotary shutter either leaves the film frame to be exposed fully, and at a long exposure per second with more motion blir or a shorter partial exposure, resulting in less motion blur.
@@mariush Maybe read before replying. The comment you replied to was talking history of the term, not denying current usage of the term. And they are correct that no mechanical shutter can expose the whole frame at the same exact time. A mechanical shutter can be way faster than current electronic shutters, but not as fast as the speed of light as the comment above states. At no point does that comment suggest that the writer does not understand how an electronic rolling shutter works, so that was a complete waste of time on your part. In fact, the only reason to point out the historical use of the term is if they do understand the current use of the term...
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 I think you hurt his feelings. Because had you not posted this I might think he had a point. LOL. I love it when the smart ass finds someone smarter.
@0ooTheMAXXoo0 Perhaps mariush assumed that they “do understand” the current use of the term with a “not” added in between...
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 nothing is faster than speed of light. Saying something that can compete with it kind of makes no sense
Great video Tyler. Y'all should check out the Z-Cam S6 if R3D codec or a global shutter isn't a must-have for your needs. It's a $2500 cine-camera with a Super 35 sensor, a more pleasant form factor compared to the BMPCC6k, and punches above its weight class. Pair it with the new Dzofilm Pictor zooms and you're set.
I’m very interested in it and would to try it, but I’m not sure I trust it for client work yet
Great camera. Just shot a short film on it. It did well.
RED Komodo Stormtrooper owner . and yes I like it. sold my Canon R5 for it.. and for photo I use the canon 5d MKIV
useful and not biased, at least no SO biased review, congrats. Did you test noise levels? I am really interested in play a bit with some straight-out-of-camera clips, if possible. Definitely tempted to get Komodo to pair with my modded leicas R.!!
Great video Tyler! The ifootage looks awesome, but I agree that the filmmaker needs to know his/her type of business before getting into the the hype of being a RED user. Regards from Brazil!
Great video. Something that has really bothered my about the RED Komodo is that in all the footage I've seen, it has this weird color registration issue. If you've ever done CMYK color printing, and one of the color plates is slightly off registration, that is how the Komodo footage looks. I don't know if this is something with the sensor or the method of wavelet compression, but I don't like it. I think the Sony A7SIII can give Red Monstro like footage with amazing autofocus and there are a ton of Zeiss auto focus lenses available. Don't let yourself be suckered into the RED cult. On lower end productions, a Sony A7SIII, Panasonic S5 or Pocket 6K are great options, and for higher end, then rent an Alexa Mini. RED just doesn't have the demand on high end that it used to. I know two RED owners that sold their cameras for Alexa Minis because that's what clients want.
I would much rather a Mini but the price gap is pretty substantial, and the smaller size of the Komodo is a big part of it
Thanks
These days I have been playing with a Sony a6300. It’s amazing at 4K, can only imagine what newer cameras bring to the table.
Same haha
lol im on a7s 2 I want the Komodo
Thats what i used to use man. it lowkey still holds up if you have proper lighing and a great lens and great eye/skill.
I personally went from having a Sony a6300 to A7iii and soon the Komodo. I’d say that the diminishing returns as you go up is definitely accurate.
May I ask what lens you are using for the shots of you (maybe in a courtyard?) that produced the slightly blurry edges? ... I rather enjoyed that look.
Really dig the windmill shots! 👌👌 Shows the skin tone reproduction and DR nicely! Down for a remote-collab? 🤙
For sure, I've been loving all your Komodo coverage lately!
@@stalman Sweet! I will DM on Instagram.
great video! subscribed!
Please watch us if you don’t mind 👍
Would you say that there should be some subjectivity to sensor performance? Arri sensors tend to flatter skin tones and are an industry favorite.
Nice video! There are few points you made that I have questions about. How does the global shutter on the Komodo compare to the minimal rolling shutter on the A7S3? Is it significant?
When you spoke about the Komodo having a 'neutral look' and you not having to worry about picture profiles, is that a pro or a con? By neutral look, do you mean a proper technical analysis has been done, using say vector scopes, that show this is the case or are you talking about the Komodo shooting raw?
As far as I'm aware every camera has a look i.e. a way they interpret colours. It's just how they work. If you're talking about ability to shoot raw, the R5 has this, with limitations off course. The A7S3 has this, through an Atomos ninja V, which you probably need for professional shoots. But the mirrorless cameras also give you the ability to get an image with little to no grading if you wanted, that seems like a pro to me.
Can you post a video with the footage examples only
Please make a video on how you color grade your footage. Please ❤️
What colors method did you use? do you have Luts for sell ?
Finally someone that knows how to properly expose the red. 😂 Been watching many other reviews on the Komodo and their exposer and coloring (to me) doesn’t do the red justice. So thank you!
Thanks! Actually it was all a bit underexposed because the only ND we had was way too thick, so it took some extra grading. It’s pretty noisy but CZcams compression hides it
Tyler Stalman this is the reason ppl love the Red... dynamic range of bringing it back or able to make the look you want. Everyone always says, “I can make my BM look like that”. Or whatever camera they own. Red has its place. We love our Helium and we love our BM. We use what camera is best for the job. Been watching you for the last few months and love your content. Thank you for what you’re doing!!
Could please share how you achieved such great and neat colors. From ND filters, to color corrections. I’m only asking because of awesome the footage looks. It’s bother line commercial. Much thanks 🙏🏿
Can't wait for Komodo vs Canon C70 video from you. Mentioning the C200 as reference in the review.
Yeah man 💯 stiff competition in the cinema market this year
@@stalman what would you pick between the two
global shutter is not like in the film days as you say. You still have a rotating shutter, and you can get some form of wobble in certain situations.
Great colors
So we can use the phone as screen control and keep high résolution?
Using a variabel ND has nothing to do with cinematic footage, its a no go (i learned) because it has a polarizing effect
The colour is just a dream
What cable was used to connect the Komodo to the ronin ?
Would really appreciate if you can make a video on how you color correct your red Komodo footage? Specially, on how you get that modern David Fincher like look.
There's nothing all that different I did with the Komodo footage compared to everything else. I should probably make some videos about my grading overall
@@stalman Please do! It's so good!
Did you make this way before COVID?? Where are there windmills in Canada?
Great looking image, but I’m also loving the look of my S1H....
yeah a7s 3 , s1h, Komodo are the cameras to be on right now. all really good and very different feel
Hi! Love your videos! May I ask how is the image quality on the Red compared to the Canon C200? Essentially what I’m trying to ask is is the image quality good enough to justify the lack of internal NDs, xlr, and a less competent AF? Thanks!
I’d be happy to trade my C200 for a Komodo right about now
PLEASE SHOW US HOW YOU GRADED KOMODO IN FCPX
Could this work as a run and gun travel camera?
Just for me, I went for Canon 1dxm3, because of EF mount, Fullframe, 5.5k RAW 60fps without a crop, great battery endurance, and great autofocusing. From Red komodo which i don't like 'crop sensor, expensive media, expensive battery, and no Autofocus tracking'. But i love working with Helium and Gemini for bigger productions.
I hear you. My big frustration when shooting canons is the dynamic range. The I sensors could do better if they would enable clog2
@@stalman that's true. Canon announced Clog 3 update for this camera. But again Clog 2 is better.
I was heavily considering the komodo but With the EOS C70 announcement im gonna give this a miss
Tyler, what cable/system did you need to connect Raveneye to Komodo?
I feel like the crop that comes with slow motion is as a result of the camera having global shutter.
Hi
Thank you to this tutorial
I would like to ask what did you mean by" POLAR Pro VND"?
Could you post the link of this item?
Thanks
6:26 - 6:29 The way the actress moves her hands makes me think she has a background in ballet
A very interesting comparison in my opinion would be to test the red against a cheap used arri (one can find them used for around the same pricepoint) - obviously the arri would be a lot older but i would like to see how the dynamic range and the highlight roll off compares
I expect an Alexa Classic would still have better range and rolloff, but I would love to see it
Tyler Stalman so if that is the case then the red is only better in terms of size and resolution in a nutshell right?
Dear arri please make this
Can u share the lut that you used in this. Video
what lens did you use here? i liked the bokeh
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He’s Effin Good , that dude doesn’t miss.
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Ugly face nice body
AD T you serious? The fuck is wrong with you internet people
Was the gimbal not enough to create a smooth enough shot? im watching the video with no audio cus im at work...
It's either this one or the bm 12k
But ... would you trade your c200 kit for a Red Komodo ? The Red Komodo is so interesting. Thanks for the video.
What song are you using at 2:49?
I think if you are strictly referring to color science regarding the new generation of cameras that are capable of very robust codecs and RAW workflows, sure. However, a large majority of people are using really compressed codecs many of which are 8bit based. It is in these instances color science plays a huge role especially under very varied lighting scenarios outside of studio settings. It's an amazing time to be a filmmaker.
Yes that’s exactly right
@@stalman Just out curiosity, where will the c200 now be fitting into your workflow for the near future?
@@krishnayalla676 I haven't bought any cameras lately so for now the C200 is still my "good" video camera
Why is there some chromatic aberration ( Purple/green lines) around the subjects? 2:50
Anyone know when the official release is?
Probably a month or so
Dude, do some lenses that are a bit off the beaten path. Like the old Olympus OM Zuikos, those things were dope!
im really hung up on komodo or fx6
your audio sounds so good, do you use shotgun mic in the video?
Thanks! It's the new Duo D4 from Deity
I liked your review! You talked about Hasselblad film cameras; did you test out if the KOMODO can be used for still photography with proper flash sync? I am waiting for a camera to finally be able to properly sync flash at all speeds. The Nikons D70, D70s and D40 did it, but 6MP is too low to do commercial work.
I didn’t test it but in theory it should work
@@stalman Does it have a hot shoe mount or a flashsync connector?
I heard that there is a monitor that can control komodo wirelessly. It seems to be specially made for komodo. Does anyone know?
Its brand seems to be called PORTKEYS, and its model seems to be BM5 WR. If you have used it, please tell me, how does it feel to use it with komodo?
I want to buy one and try it recently, thank you!
Love it.
ALL cameras you have to learn to use before using them, that's how you get the most out of a camera.
There was a lot of focus hunting in the video. Which type of autofocus does the Komodo support? Also, I imagine the severe crop on higher FPS is due to the global shutter requiring more throughput from the sensor.
Honestly don't take this as a good test of the AF, we were just figuring out the camera by the time we finished shooting and doing it on a poorly balanced gimbal makes it way more hard. It's a phase detect autofocus
Damn best footage from this camera ive seen 🤗. Btw, I use x2 BMPCC 6K's for work and omg this RED footage looks so cinematic. I've used RED cameras a few times (and C300 mkii & others) but I've mostly used Blackmagic for the past several years.
Should I get a pocket 6pro. C70. Or Komodo for a run and gun, long form shooting, one man band !?
@@pkonttinen I'm a producer at a large university. I'll probably get a 6k Pro for freelance stuff 😎
@@potatoface4698 what’s your reasoning when compared to the others
@@pkonttinen price, and menu layouts are best by far. Most hated aspect is ergonomics which is a bitch to mount on gimbals/gyro because of weight imbalance with lens mount not being centered. The internal batteries are pointless and not feasible since they only last
@@potatoface4698 this makes the pocket pro sound worse than the Komodo. Or c70?!
What are your thoughts on the ZCAM F6 vs the Komodo?
I’ve seen too many examples of the Zcam being slightly sketchy, like not saving out files, and the dynamic range looks closer a BMPCC than a Red. I expect they’ll be a real player in a few years but for now I’ll pass
5:04, no. Film cameras don't have global shutter. While in theory film could be used in conjunction with a global shutter but that is mechanically just not possible (or at least I can't think of any such mechanism), unless you use some very strong electronic polarizer that can block all light at once and let all light in and alternate between them rapidly.
The rolling shutter effect isn't that noticable on film cameras because of the fast "readout" of the mechanical rolling shutter in those cameras. Rolling shutter, hence the term "rolling".
Yes I realized I mistake afterwards. I’d like to know more about the history of global shutters, they been a white whale for so long
@@stalman yeah well the CCD chips use global shutter. It used to be that CCD technology produced much better images in the early days but then the CMOS process became much cheaper, efficient due to the advancements in the semiconductor (computer processors and stuff) making process and thus it became obvious that CMOS was the future. Thus more r&d and soon the CMOS sensors started outperforming the CCD sensors in every way. However, they had one caveat - no global shutter, that is until fairly recently. It's still more expensive to produce those and most people, including me, seem to prefer fast (readout speed) rolling shutter anyway as they look more like film (if I'm not wrong all Arri cameras as well as the other RED cameras use really nice CMOS sensors with rolling shutters.)
If you want to experiment with global shutter sensors for cheap, just get any older camera with CCD sensors from around the 2010s. Could be an interesting video too! 😉
P.S. I'm not a history expert and the order of things may not be accurate. Definitely in the same ballpark though.
I love how people talks about cinema cameras and then put a photo lens on it :D
Camera is the least important thing if you want cinematic image :)
Tyler, I loved your footage, but I figured you'd be shooting handheld because it was really wobbly. Why was the gimbal footage so shaky?
Yeah I don’t really know what happened, we were having gimbal issues all day and should have just gone handheld
Is fujifilm xt3 not good enough too 😭
Right where I’m having to decide - own Nikon Z6 and Atomos to shoot ProRes RAW (bought Nikon since I have the glass) - OR - engage a Production company that shoots RED but it sounds like they can’t get me to ProRes ie my files are going to be even MORE massive than what I have shot on my Nikon…
The added niche is I’m shooting in a theatre with complete control of the lighting… the only thing I need to determine is tungsten vs LED color temperature of the two…
Hence, it doesn’t need to look “realistic” but oddly Theatrical
I still think two Nikon Z6 and Ninjas would be cheaper with acceptable results and smaller files I can process w/o proxies… 🧐
Zcam e2 f6
Your model is beautiful
Really curious what a head to head of this Red Komono vs Sony A7Slll would look like. I wonder if anyone could really tell the difference?
I would love to see that too
what cable and battery was powering your komodo? that was such a clever way to loose the weight and portability! You might have been the only one on whole of youtube of to think of this creative simple hack!
You have a run and gun (no assistant)b-roll outdoor job(no audio) for web delivery. You need to pick one camera off the shelf. C200 (RAW) or Komodo ?
For that I would choose the Komodo. I would choose the C200 if you do a lot of interviews or maybe a really mobile run and gun doc.
But even then, I might favour the red
Tyler Stalman because of overall image quality, codec or something else?
From a few test I seen the image quality it’s pretty much on par with C 200 raw.
With a C200 you gain awesome auto focus, built-in NDs, no crop at 60p, and is much cheaper. so I’m curious why you would gravitate to the Komodo.
Tyler, would you recommend Sony Alpha a7S III or the red Komodo? I’m worried red Komodo might had a lot bugs when they officially launch it.... like Tesla.
Using the beta version we actually didn't run into any bugs at all. There is a currently some weird issues with FCP on MacBooks but that was all.
Would you guys be willing to show the low quality setting of the camera?
Unfortunately I don't have access to it anymore, so no more tests for a while
What do you think about the ZCAM vs the KOMODO?
I would love to do those tests, I think there are already a few comparison videos out there
Are you approaching the Komodo as a replacement for your C200 or something to shoot along side it? I feel like for your variety of work having both would be super advantageous.
Side note: do you have any content out about your C200 workflow? Picked one up recently and am trying to nail down the best processes.
Both would be ideal but we’ll see what Ania says about that 😅 the big frustration with the C200 is too big to bring with us everywhere
Oh an yes ive actually been hoping to make a long uncut talking video on the podcast channel all about my C200 workflow
Ha, well best of luck convincing her. I’m still holding out hope for the RF Canon cinema camera to be my perfect gimbal camera to pair with the C200. I like the idea of shooting RED RAW but I probably don’t need it.
A long C200 workflow video would be well received 👏🏼
Footage everything is good.... U shoot it r3d raw file format or .....
Yes all R3D. We actually had some issues with the color because of the ND we used so it took extra correction and was quite noisy