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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- With the recent cuts at Square Enix and analyst saying that Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth did not meet sales expectations, I speculate how this may or may not deeply impact the 3rd game.
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I think they can save some money by having less lines from Chadley.
Just cut him from the game entirely.
Charley I can live with. It's the CONSTANT babbling during hunts I can't stand from girl Chadley. I legit don't understand anything she says during combat because I'm too busy fighting.
@@12ealDealOfficial Send her to the controller speaker. Then go to the Sony system menu and turn down the controller speaker.
@@12ealDealOfficial its not chadley i have a problem with, more his Content. Also Mai is really annoying and i completely agree with you!
Or just file for bankruptcy and go away forever, square enix is a cheating pile of trash. I would rather play NBA Jam in the arcade at least the game does not deny cheating, square enix game are programmed to be cheating shit.
It’s tragic rebirth has not sold well. It’s literally one of the best video games ever made … so many people missing out
Not everyone owns a ps5
It has a boring open world. Lol. Its literally a ubisoft Game. Cool story though.
@@phrofile3613but people are willing to buy one. Look at stellar blade. Sold out in Japan.
@watchmehope6560 I am currently playing through Assassin's Creed Odyssey. There is a HUGE fucking difference between the open world content.
The game has been out for 2 months and has estimated to have sold between 2 and 3 million. I think it’s done well, just not enough for square Enix’s absurd sales expectations.
Some of the minigames and sidequests in rebirth were cute. But if they decide to scrap most of them in part 3 i wouldnt be mad
just make them optional, that way people can enjoy them or skip them, and you satisfy both type of players. You cut them out, then you are only satisfying one type of player.
@@pandaeyez And thats what they did right. They were optional. I 100% the game but i dont have to in my next playthrough. But the least they can do is make them fun. Queensblood, chocobo racing, and the parade for example.
I would find it very hard to believe that people would be upset if they cut the frog fall guys, costa del sol, and cactuar goblin minigame from part 3. Obviously i can appreciate that they put alot of effort and love into making this game. But they can allocate resources elsewhere.
My guess is part 3 will have optional bosses galore. Which sounds awesome.
I would definitely be disappointed. The side content was very fun imo and that variety was a huge asset for the game. We haven't had a FF game with such rich variety in a long time, and to lose out on that for Part 3 would be hugely disappointing imo. They went all out for Rebirth and they need to be able to do the same for Part 3.
Well I don't mind the mini games but however...I just hope they don't over do it again for the 3rd cuz most of rebirth was 70% mini games and yeah I know it's optional but they can least make it less and expand more of the story...then I think the game can go with a blaze of glory.
Some were shoehorned into the story. Definitely wasn't completely optional which i hated. Way too many qte mg as well.
I know it's a tough pill for Square to swallow in the short term, but I really think you play the long game with this project. When all is said and done, and you factor in bundles, discounts, and multiple platforms, this trilogy is a MASSIVE amount of content that they can make decent money on for decades. Will it light the world on fire? No. They haven't "lit the world on fire" since 1997. Will it become a profitable, worthwhile venture? Yes. This entire project is a metaphor for the changing video game landscape. We are watching a project react to these changes in real time. It's fascinating, really. Something to be studied years from now: "This is what video games were like in 2015. This is what they are like in 2028. Look at how this single project has been impacted by this evolving landscape."
This is a strong contender for game of the year. A real chance for Final Fantasy to win the greatest award in gaming. Lets give it more time. I think its a real shame FF16 came out before this one. If it was the other way round things might have gone differently.
Yeah they have the opportunity to hit the series out of the park with high metacritic scores and player reception from 1 to 2 to 3. Few trilogies manage this. And then they can sell the whole thing as one FF7 Remake. Release remasters and what not. Worlds your oyster SE. But none of that will mean shit if they half ass or even hold back on the last part. The series will always be remembered as something that started strong and ended quietly. And no one that would have initially been pursueded to by the 'trilogy pack' would do so now.
@@A203D It's legitimately the best Final Fantasy game since FFVII. Forget the "best FF since X" talk. This is flat-out the best Final Fantasy game since the original FFVII.
I think the whole trilogy stands to do better in the long term. Especially if they can get Switch 2 ports.
@deltasyn7434 probably why they haven't switched to Unreal engine 5. If they did then the game would probably not be able to get on the platform.
It makes zero sense for Square Enix to go Playstation exclusive for the first two games of the FF7 Remake trilogy, only for the 3rd one to be Multiplatform. I guarantee you that they signed a 3 part Contract where all of the games related to FF7 specifically are only Playstation. They even confirmed this a few months ago as well.
Yeah I dont get why people forget this information suddenly. Also at this point Sony money is the only guarantee they have. Sony should back them up more even at this point. They seemingly have no first party games ready to hit their systems yearly anymore. So they need the FF7 Rebirth's and Stellar Blade's.
This is exactly what I said. FF7 Remake Series will remain PS5 exclusive. Part 3 will probably be the end of the Deal then they go Multi platform
In the case of FF7 part 3 I think you are right, but probably every other game will be multiplatform if the Square honor it's words
If they decided to go Multiplatform the next years, and they have signed with Playstation and if you look closley Rebirth has a (3 Month Exclusivity).
So IF they do it there is a big chance we will see (Reunion - Part 3) on All Systems and hopefully Optimized.
For sure.. if not I'm expecting Xbox ports to be announced soon. That would prove us wrong.
poor tifa shes sad in so many thumbnails recently lol
shes being used for clickbait
Well she is being hunted by feminists.
also people have spoiled parts of the game using those thumbnails.
LOL is right its fun towatch a theif company like square enix fail. time for bankruptcy, gamers don't need this trash gameplay they build.
@@sharkulashairstylist5505 like i have pointed out before different gamers like different thing.not everyone is going to like the same games. at lest try and see both sides not just that you think it is a bad game try to see why people would like the game as well.
I knew some friends who played FF7 remake and loved it but they are stuck in the PS4 console and PC but couldn't afford a PS5. I think this is mainly a exclusivity issue.
I think to run FF7 Rebirth well, you need PC that cost more than ps5
@@DewaHuang you can add that as well
Third game might actually sell better because of a few factors. There will first of all be way more PS5 consoles out there in 2027. Right now it's about 60 millions. Secondly the whole Remake trilogy will be out. So im sure Square will sell some kind of edition that has all three parts. Im kinda thinking that some people are just waiting for this whole Remake project to be finished before playing.
lol this is a MASSIVE COPE.
"itll sell more just coz..just coz more ps5s out there!!"
i know a ton of ppl were very disappointed in the ending sections of rebirth with the crappy multiverse nonsense and it KILLED the hype for them.. and me included. Now i have almost zero interest in part 3
@@heyjeySigmaFrom what I understand the general consensus for Rebirth is that an overwhelming majority enjoyed the game and even loved it. Stop acting like all are feeling the way you do. I'm incredibly excited for Part 3.
@@mrromanow3123 i was also part of that majority like 95% of the game.. until i got to those last 4-5 hours, then it became absolute TRASH.
If you *actually* finished the game youd know how they butchered everything by the end. And i wouldnt be a real ff7 fan if you enjoyed that ridiculous ending
@@heyjeySigmaSo the 100 hours you spent in the game before the ending all instantly became trash cuz you didn't like the ending? Right.. also please spare me all the purist FF7 fan bs.. you can't enjoy Rebirths ending if you're a true fan 😂 Yes I can and I did.
@@heyjeySigma no the final boss was really fun. The lead up to the ending was good too. It’s part 2 of the game it’s supposed to make you question everything. I co sign with the 95% FF7 Rebirth is amazing
FF7R games would have made more money if the story was more faithful to the original.
Absolutely. They fucked up big time with the timeline shenanigans.
The community is already split over the way Rebirth ended. I know for a fact a fair amount of people are less stoked for pt3 than they were for Rebirth. If the reviews come out for pt3 and they are poorer than Rebirth because they sacrificed quality to make it run on all platforms that would be a disaster
Underpreforming BECAUSE IT IS A NEW STORYLINE NOBODY WANTED.
Updated graphics like final fantasy 15 world roaming scaled down and updated cutscenes is all that was needed.
As an older gamer, I've migrated to pc gaming after a year of trying to get a PS5 and getting beat by scalpers. I now use a small gaming laptop and steam deck oled. The versatility of not being tied in front of a TV is just too priceless. I'm even considering buying a xreal air 2 glasses to sweeten my experience more. I can wait till rebirth goes to steam, and play it with mods.
since 2022 you can get one easily online for the original price, you can also find used one or refinished for 100$ less..
@@Aragami_SenseiYou missed my point, it's hard to go back to couch gaming when I can easily play the games I want on the go now, using a laptop or on my steam deck. If they come out with another Playstation portable, I'll be all over it. This is from someone that has multiple units of each generation of Playstation consoles except PS5.
I think the biggest reason for the drop off is that Remake launched on PS4 and Rebirth is PS5, there simply aren't as many PS5 gamers, even now, as there are PS4 players. Personally, I don't have a PS5, and I'm waiting for a PC release of Rebirth.Hopefully Rebirths sales jump up once it releases on PC.
I was always under the impression that part 3 will have a higher ratio of main story content to side content. There's a lot of story to get through on disc 2, and if they trim anything from that it'll hurt the quality of the story. It makes sense to be a bit leaner on side content the next time around. On the other hand, the story content from disc 1 that formed the bulk of Rebirth mostly involved seeing the world for the first time and chasing Sephiroth. It made sense to flesh out that part of the game with character-driven side quests, and I think the developers succeeded very well in that area. Finally, as for minigames, I'm pretty much done with people complaining. The vast majority of them are optional, and no one is entitled to 100% a game as fast as they want to every time. There's a lot of very difficult content in Rebirth that was meant to hold us over for at least 3 years before the next part.
It had too many mini games. It was a waste of budget and time. Still platinumd the bitch tho lol
It's crazy how much pressure is riding on FF7R3 at the moment for the foreseeable future. I feel for Square because it's truly like they can never get a break, but they always manage to find a way back.
I wish the shift to multiplatform came sooner, but better late than never. I really hope that proves fruitful for them. I know the Switch isn't super strong, but they've missed out on a bunch with that.
Part 3 will be fine. It’s already deep in development. Everyone needs to take a deep breath!
This trilogy is so important to me and I’m a scared of what’s going to happen. Everyone is acting like the third game is getting cancelled
@@tyleracuna2567 well a lot of people on you tube hate the game i personally like the game and will be buying rebirth wene it hits steam. however i have also read forums that people like the game.square knew this trilogy would spark controversy otherwise they would not have put that for some this will bring joy others it will bring sadness but they are coming back. its like i have said if you don't like the game don't buy it but don't complain if other people like a game. i am looking forward to rebirth on pc and will buy whatever part 3 is called. the second game did not do as well as the first but that is expected as it is not a 1 too 1 remake but it still sold decently by gaming standards it sold d.3.2 million copies that is good.
It's not that deep in. The script was only finished in February, and Nomura said they are still considering some changes to the story even now. They are in the very early days, and things can easily change mid-development.
@@supersaiyaman11589 everyone is entitled to their opinion but it’s a damn shame that some people don’t like it. I didn’t expect them to go as overboard as they did with the mini games. People complain about the mini games but they go out of their way to make them optional. Also I don’t know what kind of sales Square Enix is looking for because I think any number over 3 million for a console exclusive is great.
@@tyleracuna2567 i agree 100 persent that people are entitled to their own opinion. it just baffles me how you can complain that a game is not what you expected wene we have you tube and you can view reviews and lets plays before you buy the game. i think the people that are complaining wanted a carbon copy of final fantasy 7 with better graphics. i for one love the battle system and thought they did a wonderful job on that but some people wanted it to remain turn based that confuses me somewhat. if it had remained turn based the battle system would not be nearly as good. the way materia was implemented was rely well done too. that is the reason i say if you don't like what was made apparently you wanted the original and not a remake. wene they said final fantasy 7 remake they ment they were remaking the game witch does not nessasaryly mean it will be the same as the orignal.i think some people misunderstood that or a lot of people based of the sales of the first part and second part still 3 million is a fantastic amount to sell. i meen even if rebirth cost 3 million to make they still made their moneys worth on a 70 doller game even with storfronts taking 30 percent
I don't think loyalty to the brand is an issue; FF fandom is loyal to their favorite game, not the brand as a whole. The FF brand is constantly targeted by its own "fandom" and usually gets complains and bad reviews only due to thinks not bein to their liking. The problem with PS5 exclusives is an amalgamation of issues that starts with resellers, availability of chips, price increases and end with constant economy recessions. IMHO, If SE wants to make a killer game, it will need to be a new IP, because at the moment the FF fandom is poison 😢
Hmmm.. idk if that’s completely true. Very opinionated lol. I for example have been in the fandom since ff8’s release. I was very young but definitely lived online and helped build a lot of the community in the forums that spoke on the “golden age” of FF. I think a lot of FF fans will tell you they love the franchise as a whole because the heart of FF love is diversity. Loving the fact each game is its own story with rich stories and characters. Can you have a favorite? Of course, but to say it stops there is premature. Look at ff14 for example, it’s all about FF lore within its own world that people love.
SE’s biggest issue right now is loyalty to their own brand and up till now not serving it up very well. They’re paying their dues catching up to what they lost out on for so many years with everything after 12.
@@CodyCoonrod "Everything after 12"? - I may be wrong, sorry to assume, but sounds that you did not like 13, 15, 16 and the new FF7Re. You might not like a game, I hate 13, but I have never thought that the franchise has lost its way. I just thought that they were trying different types of gameplay. What I can say without a Cloud of doubt, pun intended, is that I could never discuss with another FF fan why I love FF7 without having to hear why FF6 is better. Every new FF since 8 has been hated at launch and loved after the new one is released, I'm glad you haven't been exposed to that negativity because FF is awesome.
I think Part 3 will be exclusive to PS5 for some months, like REMAKE and REBIRTH, but as soon as exclusivity is up, they'll release the entire trilogy on all platforms, most likely in a bundle.
Yeah, it's too bad they fucked up Rebirth with all this stupid timelines multiverse BS. Turned a lot of fans off. Oh well.
The trilogy is not changing to multiplatform on launch. We might get the PC release way sooner than we expect though. Also, why are people complaining about too much game when most of it is optional.
I agree with you. People complaining about "too much game" when referring to optional content are absolutely laughable.
@@MarkHogan994 A lot of it is tied to trophies
@@unicorntomboy9736doesn’t change his point those who care about trophies are the small minority.
@@Cruxis_Angel The game is so full of bloat and padding, it destroys the pacing of the game's narrative.
It was a mistake to make FF VII a trilogy, instead of a duology, that way it would have sold much better. The entire narrative of Rebirth is the middle portion of the overall story, which is often the weak point area most writers run into, so making the entire thing essentially Saggy Middle Syndrome: The Video Game was bad idea, it is full of filler and bloat designed to pad the runtime
It was an issue in Remake, but instead of fixing the issue, the developers tripled down and made the padding and bloat far worse in Rebirth, as well as fill it with cliche, tropey anime bs
I'm kind of in the 'too much side content' camp for Rebirth. While I enjoyed most of the minigames, there was just way too much overall. We have the Gold Saucer as a mini game hub to go to, there really wasn't a need to pile up mini game upon mini game in the overworld as well. By the time I reached Cosmo Canyon I basically skipped on all the side content because I just wanted to finish the freaking story. So if they decide to drop some of the side content in favor of the story and pacing, I really wouldn't mind that. There is something as 'too much' as well and a little less would benefit part 3 in my opinion.
I've been waiting for PC. :x
Reducing the scope of part 3 would definitely damage the company, this is one game that they must see through until the end and follow Nomura, Kitase, and Hamaguci's vision. When they ended at the Forgotten capital, they left a lot of material for part 3 and in my opinion it will be bigger than Rebirth if they plan on using all of the compilation.
this.
Tbh, im kinda nervous about part 3 for that exact reason. I feel they left a looot of story stuff to cover in only 1 game. I trust them, I really do but I have my minimal worries.
@@donah4496 I feel the same, they aren't going to damage their cash cow
As a new player to Final Fantasy in general, I personally feel that FF7: Re is both a remake & sequel to the original.
They expanded content from FF7 as well as added new content, graphics, & updated music. As someone who just kind of dove into Remake w/o having known anything other than /who/ Cloud, Arieth, Tifa, & Sephiroth were (hero, hero, hero, bad guy) it’s nice to be able to get to know them better.
The funny thing about all of this is that Square Enix is going to learn that there is no potential for a magical sales spike to astronomical heights for future game releases of theirs. Whether they are multiplatform or not. They learned that after FFXV when the bulk of the game’s sales were on PlayStation vs Xbox & PC *(8M+ on PS4 out of 10M+ overall)* which resulted in mainline Final Fantasy releases going primarily exclusive to PlayStation. Let SQEX go multiplatform though. Drop the Switch exclusives too, because there are A LOT of them. Let’s see how this goes.
If multi-platforming isn't going to help them, then we may just have to face the fact that Square's days as an independent company are gravely numbered. It seriously wouldn't shock me in the slightest if by the end of the decade Square Enix becomes Sony's property.
To be fair, most jrpg console players opted for PS4 -- even JRPG fans who bought xbox ones. It makes sense that most FF fans who have both consoles would opt for the PS4 version. PC on the other hand had a staggered release 2 years after. I think SE would have done much better with simultaneous PC launches with FF16 and ESPECIALLY FF7R, because they pissed off ps4 owners with the PS5-exclusive DLC for Yuffie. They are going to have to cast the wider net to salvage all that hard work on the FF7R trilogy, and it makes absolute sense to pursue multiplat. I would not be surprised to see FF7R get ported over to Switch 2. They've already proven lower textures will still do well with ports on switch, and it's better than nothing. Money is literally there on the table.
@@RCDeschene Lately there has been a lot of speculation about how Square is doing. Let's see what they themself say and plan.
* At the meeting convened on March 27, 2024, the Board of Directors of Square Enix Holdings voted, in light of the myriad changes underway in the environment surrounding its Group, to revise the Group's approach to the development of high-definition (HD) games with the intention of being more selective and focused in the allocation of development resources. As a result of a close examination of the Group's development pipeline taken in keeping with this revised approach, the Company expects to recognize approximately ¥22.1 billion in content abandonment losses on its books for the fiscal year ended March 2024.
What does it mean? The company canceled a bunch of games that it doubted were profitable. Kiryu said last year that Square is developing too many middle-class games, and he doesn’t like it: he thinks that it is necessary either economically, or AAA.
At the same time, the latest investor report emphasizes that the middle class is not being abandoned:
* Keep and build on the fan bases for our major franchises by regularly releasing AAA titles
* Release mid-class titles based on strategies for individual lineups, prioritizing profitability
* Explore additionally leveraging our Group's rich library of IP
* Be bold in attempting to create a new IP, prioritizing novel forms of excitement and striking the right balance with earnings potential
* Building continuous customer contact points of our titles by stepping up digital sales. The Group will strengthen user flow of digital sales of new titles at the time of launch regarding the initiatives of promotion. In addition, it will generate the opportunity of generating revenue in our rich catalog titles' line-up, which leads to strengthen its earnings base by expanding sales of catalog titles. Moreover, the Group will engage in initiatives which focus on the acquisition of PC users.
In short, Square realized which platform was blessed, and decided to sell their old games on Steam to everyone in the world.
Is there any word in the report that 16 or Rebirth performed poorly? Nope.
* In the HD (High-Definition) sub-segment, consolidated net sales for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2024 increased compared with the previous fiscal year due to the release of titles including “FINAL FANTASY XVI,” “FINAL FANTASY PIXEL REMASTER, ” “DRAGON QUEST MONSTERS: The Dark Prince,” and “FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH.”
The MMO segment has sank, but this is logical; nothing came out this year (or, in fact, two). Mobile phones have also not achieved success. As a result, everything is stable for Square in terms of money, only there is less profit, because the games were canceled for 140 lyams.
Well, in the NPD chart, which somehow takes into account both physical copies and digital copies on the American market, Rebirth is in fourth place in the list of best-selling games of the year (behind Helldivers, Kolda and the second dogma). So if someone is lying to you about the failure of FF16 or Rebirth, ask him for proof greater than just some spouting of Twitter roosters.
Of course multiplatform helps that's just numbers yall act like dev cost of porting to other x86 machines are astronomical the work and dev time are minimal compared to the investment even it they sell .5 mil on xbox that's still .5mil in Rev that they would've never gotten.
@@DogHairDontCare agree 💯 percent. This should have been al least on PC
Why do people attribute the game’s underperformance to solely to it being exclusive?
Why don’t people factor in the departure from the original that people of the original have issues with?
Honestly as much as I love the new take they are taking with the trilogy, I don’t believe it’s it being exclusive that’s the issue.
Let’s not forget that SE is NOTORIOUS for having unrealistic performance expectations for their big games.
Remember what they thought about tomb raider and it selling 15mil was considered a failure by SE? And there’s examples of a few other games where the game sold well, even charted, but they still conferred them failures because of their lofty expectations.
Their financial mess has more to do with their poor management and endeavors in NFTs, chasing that GaaS dragon and canceling projects they sunk money into.
Because it is being critically acclaimed, it scored 92 with critics and 9.0 with users
So something doesnt add up. A game being critically acclaimed should sell well - the only explanation is limited marketability and commercial potential.
Along with it being a PS exclusive, it is also part 2 of a remake, and FF while being well known is still a niche IP among the mainstream culture of gaming. Every time a new FF game comes out, there are always people asking "do I have to play the other FF games to play this one?" So take that and amplify it with Rebirth being a sequel of a remake, its going to limit its sales too. The Remake trilogy will sell well over time. It is a unique product with a unique situation. Once the the third and final game comes out, not only will the full picture be seen but it will be ready for all to experience and PS exclusivity will be over. A case in point is the original FFVII and FFX. Despite their reputation today, they did not actually sell highly when they were first released. FVII got around by word of mouth and accumulated sales over 2 decades. As for FFX, it was bundled and rebundled and remastered on every console and also accumulated massive sales. The same thing will happen with the remake trilogy.
@@pandaeyez didn’t we learn anything about how critical acclaim or quality doesn’t translate to sales?
A lot of good games were considered failures by publishers.
SE is notorious for that, though MS is looking to take that title after their hifi fiasco.
If you look at SEs report they put out, despite the lower than expected sales (according to SEs lofty expectations), XVI and rebirth are still the only games they made money on despite them being exclusive to ps5. It just wasn’t enough to offset their other losses and poor decisions which according to them means it was a failure 🤷♂️
So I've been thinking, might there be a good chance for the FF7 trilogy to get a second wind of sales after all 3 games are out? I've heard plenty of people kind of roll their eyes at the thought of waiting 3 to 4 years inbetween releases. I'm sure after all 3 games are out Square will sell some kind of package with all 3 of them together and maybe that will get more people buying the games, knowing they can play the whole story at once.
I think we all care deeply about the series at this point. Its natural we want the trilogy to go out with a bang after two stellar entries where one happened to be the best reviewed FF in two decades. And with that comes allot of uncertainty because sadly the video game climate isn't good, online discourse is clickbait and drama focused and FF has gathered allot of very weird old fans that have stopped buying any of their games for years now but still actively stalk the franchise and taint public perception.
But I have to stick with Max here who said that the budget is fixed and I agree with NSP when he says that they would obliterate their company if suddenly FF7R Part 3 releases as a scope contained dud. At the end of the day FF7 is a company pride thing. You worry about the sales over the long run. Even Witcher 3 had a huge amount of its sales come in years down the line with the Netflix show and community appreciation for the game.
I will say this though. Enough is enough with the weird old 'FF fans' that loathe any direction SE takes yet keep engaging in online discussion. It has created a very negative stigma around the franchise and online discussion. Everytime I see a video covering whatever FF game it's full of people chiming into the comments at length at their displeasure. These people usually engage in days long arguments with people. I've been guilty of this aswell. You want to discuss because you hope that the other side sees reason. But I think there's more to the issue than just people lacking a different perspective.
what's actually truly weird is people thinking a large corporation such as square enix is somehow always at the edge of going financially backrupt. This is the only company that gets this delusional conclusion and people dramatize it. Its like we are looking at this company as some tiny indie studio.
large corporations or enterprises/industries like square, ubisoft, EA, google, hollywood etc do not go under. Trust in the conspiracy that there is always corrupted money lying around. Everywhere. This is the reality. Too large to fail.
"I think we all care deeply about the series at this point."
people care about it because people do not like to not know. The continual mystery, not knowing and to see what they will change versus not change is why people are staying. FF is also a magnet of drama and people love that.
but a genuine deep care for the series? nope. This is not specifically FF. Its 2024. Through an abundance of entertainment comes the consequence of dilution and oversaturation. Onto the next thing. Old FF7 came from a different era where people retained real passion to their hobbies. People dream in their heads of the things they love. They fanfic in their heads, buy all the merchandise and this instills the product into the culture.
Not today. Not this generation. I repeat. Its 2024.
Once all is said and done, the drama peters out. Everything becomes quiet. People will move on and you will realize people cared more about the unknown, the drama that surrounds the product and the company rather than to truly immerse themselves into the fantasy they are consuming.
Lately there has been a lot of speculation about how Square is doing. Let's see what they themself say and plan.
* At the meeting convened on March 27, 2024, the Board of Directors of Square Enix Holdings voted, in light of the myriad changes underway in the environment surrounding its Group, to revise the Group's approach to the development of high-definition (HD) games with the intention of being more selective and focused in the allocation of development resources. As a result of a close examination of the Group's development pipeline taken in keeping with this revised approach, the Company expects to recognize approximately ¥22.1 billion in content abandonment losses on its books for the fiscal year ended March 2024.
What does it mean? The company canceled a bunch of games that it doubted were profitable. Kiryu said last year that Square is developing too many middle-class games, and he doesn’t like it: he thinks that it is necessary either economically, or AAA.
At the same time, the latest investor report emphasizes that the middle class is not being abandoned:
* Keep and build on the fan bases for our major franchises by regularly releasing AAA titles
* Release mid-class titles based on strategies for individual lineups, prioritizing profitability
* Explore additionally leveraging our Group's rich library of IP
* Be bold in attempting to create a new IP, prioritizing novel forms of excitement and striking the right balance with earnings potential
* Building continuous customer contact points of our titles by stepping up digital sales. The Group will strengthen user flow of digital sales of new titles at the time of launch regarding the initiatives of promotion. In addition, it will generate the opportunity of generating revenue in our rich catalog titles' line-up, which leads to strengthen its earnings base by expanding sales of catalog titles. Moreover, the Group will engage in initiatives which focus on the acquisition of PC users.
In short, Square realized which platform was blessed, and decided to sell their old games on Steam to everyone in the world.
Is there any word in the report that 16 or Rebirth performed poorly? Nope.
* In the HD (High-Definition) sub-segment, consolidated net sales for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2024 increased compared with the previous fiscal year due to the release of titles including “FINAL FANTASY XVI,” “FINAL FANTASY PIXEL REMASTER, ” “DRAGON QUEST MONSTERS: The Dark Prince,” and “FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH.”
The MMO segment has sank, but this is logical; nothing came out this year (or, in fact, two). Mobile phones have also not achieved success. As a result, everything is stable for Square in terms of money, only there is less profit, because the games were canceled for 140 lyams.
Well, in the NPD chart, which somehow takes into account both physical copies and digital copies on the American market, Rebirth is in fourth place in the list of best-selling games of the year (behind Helldivers, Kolda and the second dogma). So if someone is lying to you about the failure of FF16 or Rebirth, ask him for proof greater than just some spouting of Twitter roosters.
@@Zelink108 This was a great read thanks! Especially the executive report shed some extra light that I had not read about yet. And yes it does make it sound like it's not so much a Rebirth/16 problem. And more a company wide issue. Though I'm still certain it didn't sell amazingly. So it didn't make up for the companies failings. Which they probably didn't like. But for us the fans of FF7/FF/16 etc. This probably means nothing will be affected. If all this is true and I interpreted it correctly.
@@mikev8746 Wait till Rebirth and XVI get PC releases, sales should shoot up.
@@Zelink108 Oh for sure. I remember how it went for Remake too lol. We had the same doom and gloom. And now we're touting 7 million lifetime sales. I think FF16 was now said to have surpassed 5 million? I remember last summer I was witness to the flame war as people joked it couldn't even hit 4 million. And now it's being compared to Rebirth favorably.
I feel like we will just see the same repeat. Maybe we wont even get proper data but when Part 3 releases and ships 2 million copies people will compare it to Rebirth and say that game has done 6 million lol.
I hated the story changes made in the first remake. The changes killed my interest in the series going forward. I am not saying my opinion is gospel but I think many feel the way I do.
Me too. I never even played the original past the first couple of hours and kept saying I’d get to it when the inevitable remake came out. I was aware it was an epic classic and was keen to get into the real story but with updated visuals and mechanics. The Remake story was awful - so stretched with so much filler, and the spoilers for the endings of the two games just turned me right off for good.
To increase sales for part 3, sale the game as a bundle with the previous 2 games. This may entice new comers to try the game since they would get a deal on the first two being included in the sale. 3 games for 60-80 dollar, even if two of them are older seems like a deal.
As long as I don’t have to buy a ps6 I’m ok with whatever. I was annoyed when they released Intergrade on ps5 and I was glad they didn’t plan that for Rebirth. Although I wouldn’t put it past Sony to try to delay pt3 to make it a launch title for the ps6
Rebirth coming out for PS5 was obvious since Remake was at the end of the PS4's lifecycle. If Rebirth came out for PS4 it would not nearly have been as ambitious of a game it ended up being. I do agree it would be annoying if the third part was a PS6 exclusive, though.
@@aznhomig thing is I’m getting to a point in my life where I’m falling off of gaming as my main pastime. The last part would be an excellent game to go out on. I still probably will buy a new system if need be, but I really hope that’s not the case.
Pretty sure they want to get it out by 2027. We are gonna be at the end of this console cycle but not on PS6 yet..
Bruh, the PS6 is not gonna have any exclusives even from sony. Just think about this gen cross gen with crazy budgets. Imagine PS6 Gen. You good with ps5 for like 8 to 10 years plus tbh. ps4 came out in 2013, still getting games.
PS6 no but PS5 Pro yes if you want to get the best out of it probably. It's due to come out in 2024 or early 2025, SE probably have the PS5 Pro DEV Kits in hand...
I cannot wait to see the “You can start with part 3!” recap video from Square lmao
i well never understand the ppl that want '' les game'' waiting 3-5 years for a game and hoping for a 10h gameplay ? 0 logic here.
People who feel the need to complete everything in a playthrough became overwhelmed by the amount of side content. Rather than ignoring it, they'd rather it wasn't there at all. Of course, those same people might also be frustrated if there was a lack of post-game content if there weren't all those mini-games.
Personally, I gave up the idea of completing everything once I got to Cosmo Canyon. I could never master the chocobo stuff.
That is straw man. Nobody has said they want "a 10h game". How about less pointless Ubisoft towers or shallow, mindless distractions littered all over the map because some robot boy wants you to get data for him.
@@dkirby9052 Then just go through the story, all of that is side content your not forced to do..
@@oniyoda Why would somebody spend 70 dollars or more on a game and only do a portion of the content?
If you don't do the side stuff then you can't fully upgrade your characters since manuscripts and even weapons are locked behind that stuff.
@@dkirby9052 Do you platinum every game you play? or more specifically every game you have spent 70 dollars on?
These are my thoughts, but personally I loved the massive attention to detail to the games world, locales and side quest story lines. The content helped flesh out area's of the game that were other wise severly lacking in the OG. That being said though, I do feel the sentiment with other players who state to much game can also impede the pacing of the main story and having getting close to the end my self, i can deffinity agree with that. I feel like the right balance is needed for the 3rd part of the trilogy, especially now that the story ramps up. Don't get me wrong though, i don't want them to remove the idea of "side content" completly and just have a straight forward affair like FF XVI. I rather there be content that supplements the main story well, well also providing enough leisure activities after an intense dramatic climax to a chapter. But it does not need to go to the extent of what rebirth did.
Square Enix made the biggest mistake by making it only for PS5 exclusive initially. They have failed to realize who are their target audience. those who have played FF7, i believed 70-80% are mum and dad now,, working and looking after a family rarely will have time for console, mostly will be on PC. Furthermore PS5 faced shortage as it was covid period and most ppl turned to PC. If they have switched to launch PC first it might have saved them a little. But because their initial thoughts were PS exclusive which fails badly and ended they coming out on PC as well.
Whats bugging me mainly is that they focused 100% of their power on the remake when remake and rebirth showed me how much more stronger and more polished FFXVI could be, there are some who are in love with FF7 but not everyone loves FF7
"There's literally no way to prove or disprove any of this at the current time."
The IGN interview with Nojima where he explains that Crisis Core isn't part of the Remake canon "because" the Re-series takes place in a different world than any of the other games pretty much confirms that this isn't a traditional remake and that all of the alternate theories are pretty big cope. It's just standard multi-worlds nonsense, guys....
I think there's a sizable audience that hasn't played Remake or Rebirth that are just waiting for all the parts to be out before they jump in. You KNOW they're gonna some kind of package with the entire trilogy at an enticing price point.
My biggest fear is Square Enix deciding to reduce the scope of Part 3 due to sales projection being lower after Rebirth, that would be sooo disappointing, this will likely linger in the back of my head until i get my hands on the final product...
I mean if they do, chances are they won't say anything. They already aren't being upfront with Rebirth's sales, and they weren't upfront about part 1 not being a true remake. SE is a very dishonest company particularly in the CBU1 department. Kitase lies frequently, Nomura shirks responsibility as a director whenever people criticize his games, Nojima is a terrible writer these days, and Toriyama forced 2 sequels to one of the most reviled entries in the series, XIII. The devs at CBU1 don't strike me as honest, and they seem extremely tone-deaf to fan demand and come across as self-serving to me rather than earnest to deliver on good games that the fans want.
@@tbnwontpop8857 hopefully the people at square get their act and make sure part 3 is amazing. Kinase needs to stick to the original more.
@@songohan5866 This. Focus the story back on essentials from the OG. Make sure to get Cloud's Lifestream moment PERFECTLY. That should be #1 priority for FFVII in general. Cloud is the hero, and he needs to be priority #1.
Subtract minigames as much as possible, and focus instead on developing Wutai/Mideel/Rocket Town/Icicle Inn sidequests. Hell, I'll even take improved World Intel missions over the damn minigames.
We all know that Zack will likely be a big part of 3. Make his storyline more meaningful and interactive than in Rebirth. Give him some more character development too.
Just my opinion, anyways.
@@tbnwontpop8857Nomura is the most decent guy at Square, stop using him as scapegoat for everything.
Lately there has been a lot of speculation about how Square is doing. Let's see what they themself say and plan.
* At the meeting convened on March 27, 2024, the Board of Directors of Square Enix Holdings voted, in light of the myriad changes underway in the environment surrounding its Group, to revise the Group's approach to the development of high-definition (HD) games with the intention of being more selective and focused in the allocation of development resources. As a result of a close examination of the Group's development pipeline taken in keeping with this revised approach, the Company expects to recognize approximately ¥22.1 billion in content abandonment losses on its books for the fiscal year ended March 2024.
What does it mean? The company canceled a bunch of games that it doubted were profitable. Kiryu said last year that Square is developing too many middle-class games, and he doesn’t like it: he thinks that it is necessary either economically, or AAA.
At the same time, the latest investor report emphasizes that the middle class is not being abandoned:
* Keep and build on the fan bases for our major franchises by regularly releasing AAA titles
* Release mid-class titles based on strategies for individual lineups, prioritizing profitability
* Explore additionally leveraging our Group's rich library of IP
* Be bold in attempting to create a new IP, prioritizing novel forms of excitement and striking the right balance with earnings potential
* Building continuous customer contact points of our titles by stepping up digital sales. The Group will strengthen user flow of digital sales of new titles at the time of launch regarding the initiatives of promotion. In addition, it will generate the opportunity of generating revenue in our rich catalog titles' line-up, which leads to strengthen its earnings base by expanding sales of catalog titles. Moreover, the Group will engage in initiatives which focus on the acquisition of PC users.
In short, Square realized which platform was blessed, and decided to sell their old games on Steam to everyone in the world.
Is there any word in the report that 16 or Rebirth performed poorly? Nope.
* In the HD (High-Definition) sub-segment, consolidated net sales for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2024 increased compared with the previous fiscal year due to the release of titles including “FINAL FANTASY XVI,” “FINAL FANTASY PIXEL REMASTER, ” “DRAGON QUEST MONSTERS: The Dark Prince,” and “FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH.”
The MMO segment has sank, but this is logical; nothing came out this year (or, in fact, two). Mobile phones have also not achieved success. As a result, everything is stable for Square in terms of money, only there is less profit, because the games were canceled for 140 lyams.
Well, in the NPD chart, which somehow takes into account both physical copies and digital copies on the American market, Rebirth is in fourth place in the list of best-selling games of the year (behind Helldivers, Kolda and the second dogma). So if someone is lying to you about the failure of FF16 or Rebirth, ask him for proof greater than just some spouting of Twitter roosters.
there's a few weird parts and many nerve racking minigames, but it's the best game I played for quite some time
Atleast with the arrival of part 3 , the game can now be sold as a whole for new players.
"Final Fantasy 7 Remake Failed to Meet FF7OG's Fans Expectations"
if it isn't the consequences of my own actions -nomura 2024
Im sure the project will not be affected as they are committed to give the full efforts on the 3rd part for the PS5. If those games wants to come out later on other platforms, then it wil be some decision by the same SE. But FFR-3 will not be multiplatform from the get go. Maybe other FF games projects like FF9 Remake/Remaster could be multiplatform. Other game franchises like KH4 could be multiplatform too as similar to the 3rd entry. Most people are blaming Sony, but the problem is the same SE with their unreal sales expectations for their games.
For example, Final Fantasy 13, a 2010 old game, sold around 7.8M total as for 2018, being a multiplatform game. Retro FF games which was Playstation exclusives for decades has come to Gamepass and they're available for Switch too. So, the problem is not exclusivity nor multiplatform. Avengers is a non FF multiplatform game and people know what happen to that game, it sold like shit. Star Ocean The Divine Force (SO6) is multiplatform too. FF 7 Remake is already on PC. Spin offs FF games like Crisis Core Reunion are multiplatform and Stragers of Paradise is multiplatform too (except Switch)
They already fucked up by including DEI and using SBI for their ethics team. They'd have to give a very good apology and prove that they aren't going that route for Remake 3 to get people already turned off back on track. Still, SE released a censor patch 4 years after Remake's release, so It's best to wait about 5 years after Remake 3 to buy it, just in case SE turns their back on gamers again.
The other question is: how many of those 7 million were disappointed that it wasn’t a one to one remake?
A lot that’s for sure
Probably those who are og purest who vowed to "never" to play it and criticized anything that didn't happen in the original
@@byleth9565well we can’t deny there was an expectation and some people felt betrayed. I mean, I’m happy with what they gave us?l, but I can definitely see the other side where one would felt cheated. All those years of teasing only to NOT give us what they promised.
No one, to my knowledge, wanted a 1-to-1 remake. The pre-release advertising painted FF7Remake as a full-overhaul remake with new graphics, presentation and combat, and there was almost nothing but hype for that. What disappointed a lot of people was the timeline stuff that makes it no longer really a remake and also made it alienating to a lot of newcomers.
I'm a complete newcomer to Final Fantasy, and I bought FF7Remake because I thought a modern remake of FF7 with new presentation and combat would be a perfect starting point. I liked the new combat and presentation, and I even liked stuff like the Jessie chapter, but the game lost me the moment it started doing timeline stuff that may as well have screamed, "Come back after you've played FF7 to understand and appreciate this!".
The problem is that none of it makes sense. The ending of remake was just bad writing, battling the epic giant heartless above midgar? Beating sephiroth right after?
Oh I’m sorry cloud but the sephiroth you are looking for is in the next game.
A lot of people checked out due to the kingdom heartsification of the games
This.
the ending sections was compleeeete BS multiverse nonsense and the story is now an even worse trash than Remake was. They ruined it all
Yep. A VII remake was a dream of mine since 1997, and SE managed to balls it up with plot ghosts and meta-sequel nonsense. I got the platinum trophy for Remake due to the excellent battle system, but I'm not interested in the remaining games.
Same It doesnt even feel like the original FF7 just feels like advent children
A lot people checked out because they read these types of comments that jumped to conclusions instead of just waiting for the story to finish.
@dinglepuss8594 it's not the original story...its a remake...it literally says it in the title of the first game.
I can't help but wonder if they had done a more faithful remake (without those BS world stuff), sales figure would've been higher.
An actual remake would have drawn in more newcomers. I should know: I am a newcomer, I bought FF7Remake because I thought a modern remake of FF7 with new combat and presentation would be a perfect starting point. I liked the combat, presentation, characters, and most of the story, but the moment it did all the timeline stuff that assumed I already played FF7, it lost me.
Yep FF7 is one of my favorite games but after seeing what they’re doing with this Remake I’m checked out
If SE had stuck to a faithful reimagining of the story, like they did for 95% of Remake, I'd be all in. But the ending to that game, and Rebirth, have torched my interest in this trilogy.
I definitely think so. A lot of people are put off by the changes.
I remember my roommate watching me play ff7 remake. They were super interested in it and I was really excited to get to show them ff7 finally (as trying to play the original gives me a massive headache)
We were both loving it (though I did have to often explain that the arbiters and sephiroth were done really weirdly) through most of the game.
But my God. When we got to Ff7 Kingdom hearts 789/6 2.0 and the story telling completely fell apart.
We both just went: "BUT WHY?!" and it really killed the experience for both of us. I felt cheated as I really wanted a faithful remake.
But I realized given her reaction, that newcomers were getting cheated AWAY WORSE. As not only did this game showcase really poor writing at the end, souring a newbies idea of final fantasy, but it ALSO spoils the original for them, without adding anything worth while.
So they are just left with a weird "what the hell just happened?" At the ending of both of these games. But also, they now lose the ability to go experience the original story for themselves without the spoilers from these games.
It's honestly really sad.
As much as I want to experience rebirths supposed emaculate gameplay, I refuse to spend my money on it. I watched the ending and don't like it.
So I'm just gonna let the trilogy play out without contributing. Square won't learn anything. But I'm still showing them how I feel with my wallet.
I never thought that I'd be saying saying Final Fantasy XIII was a better game than this. Those that really know are aware that Final Fantasy 9 was the last great mainline Final Fantasy. Back to my retro life.
@5:00 As someone who did not like FF7r, I can honestly say it would have been dramatically been better to have the game be closer to a 20 hour experience, instead of hyper fluffing the padding out with pointless side quests that were primarily for boosting the girl's affinity gauge.
From what I've learned from others who actually did like Part 2, the same issue did actually happen again. The game was just too large, and it would have been a better experience being a condensed out game to polish out events, and remove most of the fluff from it.
This would have also saved on the budges, and made the game by far more profitable.
I just finished the game last night, so I’m just now joining this discussion for the third part. Sorry if this has been discussed, but do y’all think that they’re gonna bring Queen’s Blood back? What would the story even be about since you defeated the Shadowblood Queen? A Shadowblood King?
To understand why Rebirth has had bad sales is to understand current state of reality when it comes to economics and the target audience. Sales don't suggest that this game is bad, our lives are, and it's not getting any better.
Theyre also going to release a full trilogy copy and people will FINALLY be able to play all of it at once. This will be what attracts the new players.
in my opinion, The sale decrease can be caused by four factors as follow :
1. Aging fans. most of the FF7 fans are both xennials and millenials who grew up in PS1/PS2 era in their childhood. they are in their 30s, or nearly to 40s working professionally in their office and most of their time are dedicated to their jobs and their family (if they are already married). they hardly have time to play video games with 100+ hours. This game unfortunately brings little to the newer fans like Gen Z who prefer simpler games in their mobile phone or PC.
2. Too Expensive. PS5 is very expensive, as well as this game. with this disruption of economic situation caused by post-pandemic and two regional wars gamers are very averse to purchase the latest game in normal price. however if Square enix decides to port FF7 rebirth (and FF16) into PC next year sales will be likely to be recovered.
3. PC Gamers. nowadays gamers prefer to play games in their PC because of its better performance compared to the consoles. they are waiting for this game to be released for PC.
4. Game content. unfortunately, including myself this game only reaches Disc 1 on PS1 where Aerith is killed by Sephiroth. we expect more storyline at least at the half of Disc 2. too many mini games as well and lack of level grinding.
Wish Square catered to their core audience with this game specifically. Grow the franchise with your other games. Cut out Chadley, the whisperers, and the multiverse nonsense, and this game would’ve sold a little better.
Cutting the whispers and the multiverse stuff would have also made the game more welcoming for newcomers.
Two things:
1) All the sales numbers that are sited are physical copies. To my knowledge, I haven't seen any online copy numbers. I would imagine those would be a lot higher.
2) I wouldn't point a new player to the OG simply because they are two completely different play stayles. I know a lot of people in my circle would be turned off to the series if they played the OG first because of the turn based system.
The chickens are coming home to roost, I see. This is a consequence of Square Enix’s failed pivot to becoming a more Western-focused, like many other Japanese publishers desired back then, instead of sticking to its bread and butter. Some, like Capcom, have bounced back from that ill-advised stint. SE clearly hasn’t and is still making goofy decisions.
I think it’s gonna sell more I think that majority didn’t buy the second game because they’re waiting for the third to come out to buy all of the games and played them at once massive fantasy seven experience
This is an incredible video Ryan! Perfectly sums up my thoughts too. They cannot risk to damage their image and fan trust. They need to end this trilogy properly.
Last I checked the exact same events don't happen in a sequel. From start to finish, these games tell the same story as the original. Cloud goes on a mission, gets reunited with Tifa and meets Aerith in Midgar, then later Cloud gets a date with character in the Gold Saucer that the player romances and finally Aerith's death from Sephiroth. All these events happen in the remake and original so if this was a sequel, none of these events would have happened in the present and would all be the past. It's pathetic that I'm even explaining this since everyone should know what a sequel is.
Fair, but last I checked, Remakes also dont have characters having visions of the future and of the sequel movie, revive a dead character, splitting the timeline into multiple worlds either lol
_"Last I checked the exact same events don't happen in a sequel"_ You clearly haven't seen Star Wars 7 then.
Jokes about the Star Wars sequel trilogy aside, sequels that involve timelines can repeat events.
@matthewmuir8884 Unfortunately, I have seen the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Wish I hadn't because they really soured how I feel about the characters.
@TheNightSkyPrince That's fair, but my point still stands.
The people waiting for all 3 games to be released before buying may end up being the boost in sales they need and in the long term I don't think they'll have any issues pulling in decent sales once it comes to the PC. I've also watched a lot of new players who have never touched the OG and they think it's one of best games they've ever played, some even going as far to say FF7R has made them feel the way they did when they played games as a child, where they could get lost in the world. The FF boomers aren't alone in their nostalgia/feelings and the newer generation that is just now discovering this series is beginning to trickle in one FF game at a time.
There are several issues with Rebirth, taking for example, the whole "too much game"...that's precisely one of the issues, that's not too much game, is too much MINI GAMES and not nearly enough actual game; Way too much filler.
Instead of giving us new abilities, they made us re-learn a whole bunch of good ones we had, and take away completely other great ones, like Tifa's starshower.
They sold and banked on the cliffhanger on remake, and the delivery was extremely underwhelming. Zack is not as much as part of the game as we were implied we we're going to have and made this absolute convoluted mind f*** right at the end, that it felt like they lost their way at the last minute
there are parts which felt completely unnecessary, long and repetitive, like "let's try and justify this expense". Not once did I feel this with remake. For example, Roche, he was just there cause they needed to fill that somehow, didn't came as organically as it did in remake.
They still killed Aerith, and in a more narrative part of the game, they push the idea that Aerith has somehow completely moved on from Zack and is unaffected by his "presence" (although they do kinda go back and forth a tad on that). Basically, they didn't delivered on what they sold at the end of remake.
And this is just off the top of my head
Agree with everything. No disagreements here.
"too much game" thats absurd to say considering the original FFVII and old school FF games were massive.
People will complain about anything these days
@@pandaeyez He said that the issue wasn't that there was too much game but too much MINI-GAMES. It is the mini-games that is the issue. Rebirth goes out of its way to throw you into mini-games that slow down the pace of the story. Why do I need to do 3 mini-games just to get beachwear in Costa del Sol? Why did that need to be there? Why was that better than just going to the beach to meet Hojo like in OG FF7?
@@dkirby9052 PRECISELY! thank you. That beach segment, good grief.
btw, i'm a girl, not a he lol
@@jeneden3492 Oh sorry. Didn't realize.
FF7R Part 3 will be exclusive, I can't imagine that contract with sony letting the finale not be the case, BUT the inevitable 3 Part BUNDLE/COLLECTION or whatever that will come will probably be a multi release, then all the Switch 2 sales will be there. MAYBE PC day one for part 3 but that's a big maybe depending on how much longer they want the dev time to be
I hope square enix understands that a lot of americans are suffering from a failing economy, and dont decide to ax our favorite games because they thought people just dont like them..
Pretty sure they’ve already signed with and been paid by Sony for part 3.
I think too many people judging this game hard never played the original. I was a kid in 97 and playing this game remake and rebirth brought to life a game where i had to imagine what it really looked like, fill in the voices, wonder what else went on in their adventures. This brought all that to life. I love everything about it. The expanded storyline and content, minigames everything.
Who cares, they should have looked after the original FF fans.
I don't think it's all that likely. The biggest savings you could make to a project like this is to scale back features, but that is the kind of stuff that they likely began working on years ago. Like, they would have likely began working on the technical underpinnings of the weapon fights ages ago - and sure, they could save a bit of money by scrapping them so they don't have to put together the accompanying gameplay and fmvs, but from a technical side of things those encounters have already been bought and paid for, so they represent a huge sunk cost.
I appreciate what they did with the remakes but I do feel they went a little too hard. Now they’ve put themselves in a corner for the 3rd entry
can you explain more of what you mean by a little to hard. with remake and rebirth.
Just release it along with the PC. I think they'll find a way to bounce back.
I'm sure if SE go multiplat day 1 (PS+PC) they'll expect sales to even up
And I don't think it will met their expectation too
Ff7 part 3 is the one game they cant afford to not put alot of resources into. If they dont go all out it could kill final fantasy as a franchise and alot of people will be hesitant to buy future square games.
the too much game thing is very true for me.
the feeling is "wow this is a large game I will really need to dedicate time too so I can really experience the whole package!" which then for me Im now waiting for a really nice time to play it, which as an adult there is never 80+ hours available for games anymore :/ so most likely I wont play it
FFVII Rebirth needs to tie all other Final Fantasy VII games, books and series together for the final conclusion in Disc 3 and connect FFXIV and XVI together with the rest of FF.
Tying all FF media together is the most important goal for SE and trying to get all of it into UE5 is the next big step for any further FF remakes to be made with ties to Fortnite and UEFN.
The same goes for Dragon Quest, Nier, Saga and many other big projects SE they are going to carry over to UE5.
They have to in order to finish up KH4 and DQXII.
What they can do is, go multiplatform. As much as I like exclusives, because it incentives one brand over another, it can serve to tarnish. When it comes to full potential in sales, going multi while part 3 releases can be wise. Also, they are releasing three games filled with unnecesary excess content that brings little to nothing to the overall FF7 experience. The grand idea of Square deciding to do this based on ambition does not mean the consumer base is going to buy into it. No, i don't wan't to play 30 mini games, no i don't wan't to do an annoying stealth sequence to get a chocobo in each region, no i don't wan't the boring, "open world clichés" all regions in the game are subjected to.
I am excited for you to hit 100k you deserve it!
OG ff7 was a massive game with a ton of stuff to do and a lot of it was on disc 3. I think the third part should have the most content personally
Theres also a lot of people who are sitting back and waiting for all of VII Remake to be finished before buying any of them
At this point still referring to these games as an actual remake of Final Fantasy VII is sheer gaslighting.
I think we should be careful in making any predictions because it could be that part 3 never releases. I mean with the way things are going any of the involved companies could fold in the next 3-5 years.
The first 2 parts were very well received and highly praised I have no doubt part 3 will be just as good
As someone new to ff7 I felt compelled to play the original before the remake after hearing it was a sequel of sorts. I didn't love it tbh as it's gameplay and visuals were so outdated, and the major twists had been spoiled for me (I enjoyed ff9 much more so I'm not against old games!). This put me off playing ff7 remake in the short term - I do own it and will play it and rebirth eventually, but as you said I think if the games were standalone they would be way more approachable and might sell better 🤔
thats the problem, you heard incorrectly from the fandom, its not a sequel.
A massive consideration here is the number of PS4’s vs. PS5’s. It’s about half the number of PS5’s. Any comparison in sales numbers must be looked at in that light. From that, and the rumored initial numbers for Rebirth, it has comfortably out performed Remake. And I suspect it’ll have a longer staying power than Remake given its massive leap in quality (no shade at Remake, Rebirth is just that good).
I think they gotta bite the bullet and spend the money. They only get one crack at this, its been decades in the making. They have to end the Trilogy the right way. The FF7R project is part of how Square Enix will dig themselves out of this rut and restore the brand to the audience. The next step is following through with their announcement to go multi-platform with their big budget AAA titles in the future.
Someone else is also having problems with the side quest "Beneath Still Waters"? The Hell Rider 2 does not spawn at all at the Fallen Citadel and no I am not fast travelling there, but simple going as the quest wants me to. This basically locks me out of the platinum trophy, because I am not able to finish this side quest.
The majority of complaints that I've read about on the internet is how Rebirth is at the final section of the game like "Cloud is supposed to say that" and "Cloud is supposed to go to that pond for a final goodbye". But It's still there, it's just not shown yet since we're (more or less) only seeing from Cloud's perspective instead of everyone else
If it is not shown in the game, it's not there, hence the "supposed" because it was expected, but didn't happen. Yet, so far, Remake and Rebirth endings all have had the same if not increasing amounts of negative feed back, basically, the main complains in Remake and Rebirth always seem to be the ending part, or at least the very last chapter...and honestly, yes, objectively, a bad ending perception can ruin even the best stories.
@@winshifterdoesn't change the fact that those complaints are very premature since the story isn't told yet. The problem is that most people that are complaining don't seem to realise that just because a certain scene isn't there, it doesn't mean they just scrapped it. They don't look at the entire project, just at the game that is in front of them and draw their conclusions without having all the information. There's a reason they didn't show those important scenes yet and it's simply because those scenes will be in part 3 when Cloud will have come to terms with what actually happened. I figure that will be a huge part of the Lifestream scene. I wouldn't even be surprised if they turn the scene where he lays Aerith to rest in the lake into a playable segment just to hammer in the message a little more. Him talking to and seeing a dead Aerith is exactly what he does in Advent Children, except that there he knows she's dead, whereas in Rebirth he's in complete denial. Getting from that state of denial to acceptance will be a big part of the next game.
@@jarosbodytko6462 Let me get this straight. Are you telling me that, if you go and buy something, for example, a McDonalds, and then they remove things you were expecting because "they know better and you just have to understand that you only have to wait, but they don't explain or say why in an understandable way you would still buy it? and not even complain about it?
Anyway, all I said is that, they convoluted the story on purpose, most likely, because they thought people would be more engaged, which actually doesn't work, it has been proved over and over again, not only in the west, but also on the east. There is a huge difference between leaving open questions to be answered later than just not explaining things just to look mysterious and smart. And also, I'm not complaining that they removed things, I'm complaining about the exectution of the idea. You may have the greatest idea in the universe, but if it's not properly implemented, it's going to fail miserably. As I mentioned, all of this was fixable by just adding a few lines of dialog here and there and that would have make things much more fluid and understandable, and still leave room for theory crafting and all that, but they didn't, as you say, it was a choice, and a poor at best, stupid at worst. Keep in mind, I'm only speaking about the story telling part of the game, the gameplay part they have really nailed it, in that they have surpassed expectations and so far haven't disappointed.
The new FF7 Trilogy has a few problems...
1. It was not a straight remake that people were expecting, and SE did a crap job expressing that it would not be a 1-to-1.
2. The ending of Remake didn't generate good word of mouth. It was quite divisive.
3. Rebirth is a middle game with, yet again, another odd ending that while better than Remake doesn't generate pure positive word of mouth. Common thing I hear and have even said is, "95% of Rebirth is absolutely amazing, but the final 5% is weird and easily confusing.".
4. Games are a luxury item, and money is really tight for a lot of people, so there are for sure a lot of people that are either holding out for it to drop in price OR will just wait for part 3 and the inevitable "collection" to drop before they'll buy.
The fact that its not a "1 to 1" remake is what makes the game still relevant and people keep talking about it after years of being released. The game being secretly a sequel is never a problem.
@phrofile3613 I think it not being a 1-to-1 is fine, especially after Rebirth, but it has undoubtedly made some people take a "wait and see" stance.
Anecdotal, but I personally know quite a few people that won't bother until it's finished because they don't want to wait years. They'd rather binge it
Some fans okay with it what they dont like is that they introduce multiverse like zack is alive on another time line .
Nobody, to my knowledge, was expecting a "1-to-1" remake; the pre-release advertising made it very clear that FF7R would have all new presentation and combat, as well as additional story content. However, the type of additional story content that was being advertised was stuff like the Jessie chapter; i.e. content that would still enable the game to be a remake. The timeline nonsense wasn't advertised.
Another problem that the trilogy has is that the timeline stuff makes it very alienating to newcomers. I should know: I am one such newcomer, and the timeline stuff in FF7Remake may as well have been a big neon sign saying, "Come back after you've played FF7".
@matthewmuir8884 I'm an OG fan as it was my first Final Fantasy back in 97 and I absolutely love the expanded story and character bits, but I was one of the people that thought it would be a 1-to-1 story beat wise.
When I say 1-to-1 that's completely separate of gameplay , but not from core story.
The whispers were off-putting, seeing Sephiroth so early and fighting him as a boss at the end of Midgar, Barret getting stabbed and revived, Zack some how living, the KH style fight against a manifestation of "fate" are all out of left field for OG players and absolutely was not conveyed in the marketing that those kind of drastic changes were in store. It turned a lot of people off as it felt like a total deviation.
It was to many mini games and not enough boss fights for me. That’s my only problem with the game. I really hope they don’t do that for the 3rd one.
Seeing as FFVII Remake isnt even a real RPG I find it hard to believe that ANYONE could say it's the best EVER. Also turning entire sections of the OG game into mini-games and adding the card game from FF8 wasn't needed, nor is a mess of additional story about new character that shoudn't been added or characters no one wanted additional story for. All they needed to do and ALL most FF7 fans wanted was a remaster or remake the tightened up the gameplay and modernized the combat. The issue here is that most Devs want to "make it their own" and ITS NOT! Have some respect for games that already existed as well as their fanbases. Straying to far from the OG game will cause it to fail look at RE3 Remake.
Im primarily a PC gamer. I bought a PS4 Pro when I had more flexible income, specifically for certain exclusives...almost all of which have now come out on PC. FF7 being one of them. I even bought a second copy of FF7 remake for PC to play intergrade. I will NOT buy a PS5. Also, I seem to remember a time when Square promised that the full game would come out in phases for PS4 to completion. Maybe I was wrong. In any case, this exclusivity shit with third party developers is fucking dumb. Its not the 90s or early 2000s anymore. Unless Sony, MS or Nintendo owns that specific studio, there is no reason for a developer to stick to console exclusivity.
I bought a PS5 specifically to play FF7 Rebirth. Also bought Remake on day one. Sony gets a lot of my money for these games. I hope they can keep going strong.
I hope they release all three parts as a bundle at once to help sells. I really loved rebirth and wish it would get more love.
Splitting 1 game into 3 over like 15 years was always a bad idea to being with, too many things can go wrong in between games.
The only problem with Rebirth and part3 is that you need to know FF7OG and Remake story. For us, FF fans is great. For other people, it might be harder to understand
It's hard for everyone to understand
From what I’ve seen a lot of people prefer to play it on PC because of mods. Assuming that this is the case, if rebirth happens to pop up on PC then it’ll prove that exclusivity is the problem
this could end up being a good thing for FF7. FF7 rebirth is the first FF i lost interest in finishing it because it is way too bloated, formulaic and does not respect player time. Maybe a smaller budget can drive them to focus on what really matters
Exclusive platform allows them to concentrate on a single version of hardware and optimize it... I dont really care if part 3 is multiplatform at release as long as they dont compromise performance to make it work on other platforms...
I think that this will be a win for them. They are acknowledging what it is people want and seeming to gear up to give it to them. I doubt they will skimp on the quality of the mainline FF series, rather than scraping their non”HD” games.
Rebirth is super enjoyable from a fan perspective…but I’m in the temple of the ancients, and it is an absolute slog, it’s not a fun game when it comes to traversal
fewer mini-games and just 1-2 open world map will do, not for every chapter... ultimately we are looking for more storytelling than side content gaming for the finale
I personally would very much like to see less minigames in Part 3. It's not gonna break the game to have mingames, but I feel like rather than cutting The Forgotten City as an explorable area, they should have cut the minigames.
I'm honestly curious: Will we have a DLC for Rebirth? And if so, what is particularly good for it?