Ryzen 7 7800X3D + A620 Chipset, Is It Worth It?
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Ryzen 7 7800X3D + A620 Chipset, Is It Worth It?
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"no one is going to pair a 7950x with a cheap mobo"
Amazon prebuilts: Allow me to introduce myself
So accurate
most prebuilt duing that including asus, dell, etc
Any and all prebuilts, along with cheap RAM and cheap PSU
@@badass6300 insane the margins they must get selling $1000 components for $1700
@@badass6300 Cheap SINGLE channel ram, with poor speeds 😂
Loads of testing of Ryzen 7000X cpus in "ECO mode" have already established that these CPUs are capable of great performance, even when TDP limited well below 120W. What on earth is Asrock doing to make the cpu panic throttle to 544mhz?
Asrock,
@@mrfaern if thats the case then Asus is better off to not exist.
The budget ASRock boards only exist as an exercise in getting familiar with the RMA process.
@@creativityfails1 that's funny
@@creativityfails1 😆👌
Great work. Don't underestimate the importance of reviewing bad - ahem (sorry) limited - products like this motherboard. Now we are informed and advised. Keep up the good work.
i still have my hopes up for other A620 boards. at least to Buildzoid levels of success...
I would watch a video on the suspicious Asus and MSI boards
Funny how bios fixes only take 3 days when a journalist reports a problem, but regular people wait weeks or month for fixes on reported problems.
That's the reason the news media is known as "the fourth power"
Well said, when making incremental upgrades on budget different ideas come to mind.
0:00 - Intro
1:51 - Sponsor - Gigabyte Aorus Laptops
2:47 - AM5 platform review
5:45 - Cinebench R23 -- Testing [Ryzen 9 7950X]
6:38 - Cinebench R23 -- Testing [Ryzen 7 7700X]
7:02 - Cinebench R23 -- Testing [Ryzen 5 7600X]
7:13 - Cinebench R23 -- Testing [Ryzen 9 7900]
7:25 - SoTR gameplay [Ryzen 9 7900]
8:12 - Contacting Asrock and further troubleshooting
8:52 - Vendor contact, new motherboard BIOS
9:08 - Revocation of 170w TDP support and resolution
10:27 - Benchmark - Cinebench R23
11:57 - Benchmark - Cinebench R23 (10m loop)
12:07 - Benchmark - SoTR
12:25 - Benchmark - Watchdogs Legion
12:45 - VRM thermals - 1 hour test
13:31 - VRM thermals - comparison [Ryzen 9 7950X]
13:52 - Benchmark - comparison CB R23 [Ryzen 9 7950X]
14:07 - Comparison between B650M-HDV/M.2
15:40 - Conclusion & “Caveat Emptor” between this board and non-plus variant
This video shows why I’ll never unsubscribe from this channel. The dedication is out of the charts. Thank you for the high quality content! ❤
Sponsored by asrock....
@@Markisha64 Nope sponsored by Gigabyte. And being sponsored doens't mean they won't say honestly what they think. Did you watch the video ?
Sounds like Newegg is the real MVP here with their product listings informing consumers about the wattage limit of the motherboards.
Yeah. At least Newegg did something right.
While they do deserve a fair deal of praise on informing consumers it's probably more a safety measure rather than a display of good faith on their end... Avoiding getting blasted by the horde of angry customers and all that. On the bright side at least some retailers are more cautious than the likes of AMD, Nvidia and their partners
From the get go when Newegg started selling these 620 boards they indicated 120W and 65W so I don't see how he thought they could handle 170W if he bought from Newegg!
Even though it is a good thing, it clearly stems from them not wanting to have to deal with returns.
@@felipeavlopesAs long as they are informing this type of information it doesnt really matter if they did it to avoid backlash from fans. At the end of the day it provides a better shopping experience and better transparency for consumers. We benefit either way.
I consider Asrock is already doing a good job by releasing a BIOS fix in just 3 days after Steve's report. Somehow, that shows Asrock was taking input from external source seriously. They were wrong, but at least Asrock managed to correct them.
it does seem like they were working on it already, 3 days seems tight for such things..
@@yukisnoww Yep, his feedback most likely got it pushed up the priority list...they know he will have a review
It would have been a fairly straight forward fix, change the power limit and raise the temp the VRM can hit, or it could have just been the latter. They've released another revision since then.
@@Hardwareunboxed i see, but the timeline for straightforward fix can be anywhere from couple minutes to a month 🤣
Not when they know a video is coming ;)
Thanks for Steve’s effort for making Asrock’s product better. They should definitely pay the QC officer’s salary to you instead!
What QC?
Sorry, I just had to.
@@PQED quality control
@@patlotpotlot6154 i was being facetious (joking).
Don't worry about it. :)
I think thats something that most brands have problems with, new tech! Always something new to tweak.. you can see Asus having issues of their own!
Asrock improve thanks to the Engineer and people Freedback in the forum. Steve did good job, but all improve is beacause customers.
I think labeling CPU max wattage support for motherboards is really useful. Researching for it on the internet is bloody brutal.
Normal it have .
Online you can see it
My b450m msi have a 95watt tdp beult.
Bit still i can use a 5800 serie on it
And those cpu are 105watt tdp.
Bios have it but the performance is just not thare.
Funny thing is that automatic overklok on the x serie is not support.
It would make sense, if CPUs actually only pulled as much power as their "TDPs" say they do.
You can usually tell, just by looking at it:
- No heatsink on the VRMs: up to 65W with tower coolers and 95W with a topdown cooler
- With heatsink on the VRMs: up to 95W with tower coolers and 125W with a big topdown cooler
For anything beyond 125W, count the chokes: as a rule of thumb, each choke can easily handle 15W if cooled in a topdown manner or 10W if cooled by an AIO or a tower cooler. So basically for 170W, you should ideally have at least 12 chokes in total.
@@sassukiwhere did you obtain this information?
I can’t believe Asrock released this board in that state, Steve doing their darn R&D product testing for them fs. Man, good work exposing this and getting it fixed Steve!
You would think these mb companies would at least test configurations before putting out stated information, but no, we as consumers have to beta test all technology's these days. Keep up the benching!
What do you mean these days? Its way worse back in the day lol
Its why i’m still AM4. I’ll let everyone else beta test a while longer before I jump in.
@@mikem2253 and in that time prices goes down, I see this as a win
@@HSG4meR Will the prices go down, or will the profits go up. That's the real question.
@@mikem2253 I feel you! I used to buy to newest CPU/MB every 2 years, but it has bit me in the ass so many times in the last several years! I'm sticking with I have for the next 4 years at least and then I buy whatever chip is a generatio old at that time...I'm tired of beta testing $1000 CPU/MB for these companies!
Thanks for your excellent fast review as always Steve. Very informative. And I've come to watch it fast to show my respect again!
I hope you guys or someone else makes more videos on a620 boards. I know they will be commonplace for budget builds in the future. My used a320 board works well with my Ryzen 5600, and I managed to snag it for only $30 several months ago!
I wish I saw some testing on the limits of the 65W boards. The "65W TDP" Ryzen 7000 CPUs actually consume about 90W without PBO on all core load according to GN. The "120W" 7800X3D is around the same power consumption at 90W on all core load, so if the boards are fine with a 7600 and 7700 - I would expect the 7800X3D to perform as usual. If they can't even handle "65W TDP" CPUs, then that's a story worth covering!
That 7800X3D is just an absolute efficiency monster!
TDP = Thermal Design Power
If it's 65W TDP you need a cooler that can handle 65-70W TDP in order to run the CPU within temperature specifications. It is in no way a 1:1 ratio regarding power usage.
AsRock HDV back on top of their game LOL
The 7950x is back on the list of supported CPUs. Even after this video. No mention of what TDP it will run at, on their site. So much for fixing this. They are back at it.
So similar things to this are happening on Intel 13th gen with 12th gen boards, especially with XMP RAM speeds and fast boot causing PC not to boot. Tons of BIOS revisions, at least on the Aorus Ultra board I have to try to address some of it, but really nothing much has changed. I'm honestly surprised someone isn't suing at this point over the RAM speed thing. It's almost impossible to get advertised speeds on some boards, even with RAM that has been "verified" to work on those boards.
At my work we regularly have to disappoint customers who want a PC built with 6600Mhz ram, simply because we can't get stable performance over 6200 or 6400Mhz. Sometimes even capping at 6000Mhz before failed Memtests. It's a gamble and no kit is the same. We send these kits back to the manufacturer with our complaint and we do get new sets, but even then it's a game of luck if it actually runs at the advertised speeds.
Intel is always terrible with RAM speeds in my experience. It's always just randomly how fast your cpu can handle while AMD so far could always run the RAM at the XMP speeds.
@@tilapiadave3234 Both have problems, dont mention Asus history in the crosshair formula in Iintel and amd
To be honest this would be good board to look at for budged builds after next gen boards will start to appear, low end boards often get really good discounts at the end of their lifetime.
Only for the Ryzen 5 7600 and any future entry-level AM5 CPUs though. Even if it's cheap, there's no point in wasting your CPU's potential.
7500F runs fine on A620. I have one in a microserver.
Good work Steve. Much appreciate the pain you go through to test these products so we don't have to.
I'd like to see how the ITX AM5 mobos compare to each other. There's not that many of them and I've a sneaky feeling that they may actually provide better quality parts for the overall package. Not that I know for certain. I'm sure people will drop comments one way or another, I just hope they have facts rather than opinion to back it up :)
ITX boards are usually a good bit more expensive and of a good quality because ITX is a niche people will pay a premium for.
Such reviews are of the most importance not only because push the complacent vendors to fix their product descriptions and firmware, but exposes bad products warning people to dodge a bullet while saving $20.
Great reviews, congratulations, you gained a subscriber from Brazil.
There sseem to be on-going issue with Asus boards killing X3D chips. They seems to deleted all of their previous bios and leave the only recent one.
Will you do a cover on it?
ASUS sneakily pumping up the juice (voltage) to try get advantages in benchmarks, lol.
i know the asus motherboard allow to bypass voltalge limit on 3d cache maybe that s the problem
gamers nexus bought one for testing so expect it from them to release a video
thanks for the in depth review. i assemble PCs for living. your videos always saves me hours of troubleshooting. i'll be recommending the b650m hdv for anything above 120w
That comparison shot of the dead guy on quake and cyber punk in the same pose was legendary!!!
I've always had a good experience with Asrock and their boards, although I've always been someone who builds mid-range computers.They added CPU BIOS features to their B450 boards that all other manufacturers only put on their B550 and above.
Same here.
My take from this review is that the 7800X3D is a god among CPUs. Good job AMD. Maybe next time release the successor sooner ?
These are things that people need to know about. I can't believe they updated their website to support less cpus like you wouldn't have checked when buying a budget motherboard. Wow.
Thank you for this absolutely crucial testing. Finding products behaving out of spec and reporting them in an independent and fair way is super necessary.
Apparently they have not changed. This reminds me of the infamous ASRock Fatality 970 Performance - a AM3+ board with cheaper AMD 970 chipset - supposedly supporting the 220W TDP FX-9590.
Two of them simply burned out after a few weeks (a chip near the VRM scorched). That was because the VRM reached over 100° C when putting (simple gaming) stress on the CPU.
But in the forum support kept insisting it is supported, but customers have to care for any extra cooling required, namely active VRM cooling. Others got it right without modding, though.
I'm just glad that the board is in a working state now. It's good to know that one of the lowest budget boards can properly run a 7950X3D
Reviewers shouldn't be weighed down with the task of QA testing. I'm sorry you have to deal with that Steve. I've been seeing this trend in tech companies for over a decade now. I worked as a sysadmin in a test lab for a tech company in 2010-2016. I saw them whittle down their testing departments repeatedly over the years. In 2010, I worked with over 50 people. By 2016, I worked with 8, and all those were outside the country and not direct employees of the company, outsourced to save money. (I bet they're having a great time testing now, considering their whole team was sourced from Kiev, Ukraine.) More and more companies are sending out untested hardware and software and "fixing" the issues after customers complain. It's lazy and cheap, and their miserly attitudes are hurting the entire industry.
It's not a trend. This stuff gets more and more complicated each generation. On top of that, ASRock is just 70 Engineers - it's not ASUS or Gigabyte - forget about couple of issues here and there, with time they fix it all. It's just they have to eat and sleep sometimes. I have always been impressed by level of technological wizardry ASRock has been able to pull out of their behinds over they years, and despite Platform Integration Documentation - basically a reference board with everything exposed with full documentation - creeping up to 2000 pages from measly 130 in Sandy Bridge era - they still drop insane products with same tenacity as giants.
For the slimming of validation, I work myself in it, and I can only say you are wrong. In 2016 product my team works on line had about 330 tests, with 25 people running them in shifts to chase the release dates and bug escape analysis performed at least once per week. Now it's just 7 people, with over 46000 tests, and just few of them requiring manual intervention, everything else is automated. We still get customer reported bugs, but 99% of them are bizarre corner cases or eldritch combinations of hardware and users making up things and stating that 'by their judgement it should work, but why it doesn't?'. Of course things will slide under the radar unnoticed, for something we didn't think to test or due to specific combination of equipment used for testing purposes.
@@Vatharian To make my previous comment clearer: I'm not criticizing the testers. I'm criticizing corporate management for cutting back on testing staff. You even mention this with having previously 330 tests and 25 staff and now you have 7 staff and more tests to run. I'd like to smack certain management upside the head for their lack of sense in cutting back testing staff so much.
Google started this with Android and everybody followed.
I been convinced that for my next build Asrock Motherboards aren't a bad start. I found this A520 for $200AUS, but I also found a B650M RS PRO for $240AUS but I haven't pulled the trigger becuase CPUs are still to expensive and then thier's buying windows 11, maybe when series 8000 CPUs come out people will start upgrading some cheap 7000.series CPU will come up on ebay.
Not in for an upgrade in the next two years, but I always love this content and thanks for going through with the testing. I'll consider Floatplane for this type of contgent!
I hope Asrock is grateful for your findings, you brought a huge issue to their attention
Much appreciated! Way more valuable than pre-release reviews as this shows the actual consumer experience. I know it's frustrating but more like these will make a big difference!
I almost ordered a a620 but I am about to stick a 7700x into a 2u chassis and not having voltage control can get messy real fast. So I got a Gigabyte B650I but these boards a crazy expensive.
@@hyperturbotechnomike Yes, I gave up on that plan (2U + 7700X) for anything powerful. I have a 4U in my home rack with a 5900X and the Noctua NH-D12L which works very well. At my office I did a 2U with Ryzen 5600 and the wraith stealth cooler fits in there comfortably, it runs as a Windows file server and FreePBX in Hyper-V. I tried to run a Noctua NH-L12S on the 7700X and it was crash city even at very low clock speeds, I guess it needs a minimum amount of voltage, but heat kills ask any Intel owner, lol.
Thanks for the great work with testing these boards! Looking forward to the Gigabyte MK one.
HUB being migrated from the ASRock blacklist to the BETA testers group is at least a move in the right direction.
Sadly though, it was a paid program, and we were the ones paying.
@@Hardwareunboxed It's as if they didn't learn from their previous mistakes and thought no one would notice. Continue keeping them honest.
It's baffling to me that ASRock didn't just enable ECO mode by default for the 170W CPUs on this board instead of dropping support. The 7900X and 7950X don't drop all the much performance at a 120W TDP limit, and it would avoid the huge drops from thermal throttling on the VRM.
Obviously this would need to be made clear in the product listing and specifications so buyers know what to expect.
Great video Steve. Way to be on top of these board manufactures.
Well here in Germany we have to pay 117 Euros for the A620 + and same price for non + and 156 Euros for the A650, so its quite a difference that you could consider the A620+ with a 7600 I guess
Yeah here the a620 goes for 95€ , while b650 goes for 165-170 xD its a big difference
Lost of talk about VRAM lately but what about DRAM? Steve's last 16GB vs 32GB video was 4 years ago, it would be interesting to see how it compares with modern games
In my anecdotal experience the only game that truly cares about having access to more than 16 gigs is Star Citizen. Now, I realize that that might not “count” as a game yet, and if so, my answer would then change to “none”.
@@124thDragoonThen you haven't met my good old friend... 7 Days to Die. It sucks DRAM like no other 😅😂
@@xalderin3838 the last time I played that game was ~6 years ago. It was fine at the time. Weird.
@@124thDragoon Ahh, so you haven't played any recent updates.
I have 32gb of Ran, and it sucks about 25+ relatively easily, when I play.
@@xalderin3838 Jesus Christ
Thank you Hardware Unboxed for keeping Asrock honest. Reviews like this greatly influence my buying decisions.
It's likely ASRock was just lazy and didn't bother with in-depth testing and optimizing. Once Steve notified them about it they promptly made changes improving performance and clarifying compatibility. That's great! Steve basically improved the product, I think he can be be proud of that.
16:00 Just adding a parenthetical with "up to xxxW" after the "Supports AMD Socket AM5 .... Processors" line on top would go a long way. Then add an asterisk with "*) Processors above xxxW may introduce performance issues" to make it clear they'll run, but poorly.
Good info man thanks a lot
What if we undervolt and apply PPT edc values ? for 7950x
I disagree with the mindset that nobody would pair a cheap board with an expensive CPU. For me, a board is basically just there to house the actually important hardware. So long as it can power the CPU and have all the connections i need which are not many and doesn't have any other serious issues, i'd always take the cheapest board available.
Most people will be quite satisfied with basic A620 features and performance of 65W CPUs. There is a room in a market for them (much bigger than for boards we here actually want to buy :)).
But board makers should limit them for 65W CPUs and advertise as such limited boards.
Asrock did same thing even in 775 days, I recall few boards with holes in place of VRMs just from using CPUs on support list (not even most powerful) so it's nothing new in fact that they lie. Fact that now they all lie is new.
Looks like a perfectly suitable board for a budget build, its now 37% cheaper than the b650. Testing it with a 7950x in cinebench was nonsense. 7800x3d or 7600(non-x) fps testing vs a b650 would have been much more valuable, as they much closer fit its use case /pricepoint.
Usually I have criticism of the exclusion of MSFS in benchmarks of yours. Thanks for this great review of entry level hardware covering not only high end products Hardware Unboxed! Also thanks for out to the patreons 🖤
Thank you for testing the boards at the budget end of the scale.
1:43 oh wow, I thought Asrock had blacklisted HUB?
We're back in their good books this year ;)
Thats nice, all Asrock have to do is put out good products and do away with the marketing BS and they'd get good reviews from HUB anyway
@@Hardwareunboxed I can tell by first minute thats not gonna be long lasting 😅
Would be interesting to see whether the 7800X3D has somewhat MB and RAM agnostic performance like the 5800X3D did
I got that motherboard for 7600x and worked great from start. also 6000 32cl memory works well
hi, do you have any thermaltrotting report? thanks
Nah this is the question I want answered 😂. Please don't give me a reason to upgrade my 5800x3d. *Edit no... No it does not 😂
I put my hamster in a sock and slammed it against the furniture
You're right , enough for A620 . We need more B650 and X670 hardware unboxed review .
No! I'm waiting for gigabyte a620 boards
In my potentially naive opinion, you salvaged your time spent. I hope this video performs well. It was very informative for me and thanks for the insight about what happens behind the scenes as well.
4 months are passed and A620m HDV/M. 2+ performance is reflected in price, now it costs around 25% less than B650M Hdv here in Europe and the difference is even more in US 79$ vs 125$
I think that I bought the last one on Newegg😭
so bad that it pulverized the oc world records on a 7950x MDR
I recently built am AMD system using ASRock using a mid range mobo chipset and was pleased with the quality and software support. Compared to my much more expensive PC with a mobo from gigabyte, it was a steal and worked far better out of the box
Asrock is entry level, if it was "midrange" it would already be ASUS otherwise they'd be eating into their own sales. Asrock are excellent and often pretty much just a solid ASUS board with a few less features.
@@Tripnotik25 ah yes, the 550 dollar entry level asrock x670 taichi...
asrock hasn't been part of Asus since 2002.
As even Steve stated, the b650 from ASRock was a great board, whereas this baseline wasn't. In my experience a midrange ASRock (on sale at $120) gave me a better experience than a top end gigabyte (originally bought at $340).
@@givemeajackson I stand corrected then. They apparently are still owned by the same company but asrock no longer just parent company but a straight competitor. They still kind of own the low end segment.
@@Tripnotik25 no they're not, asrock is owned by pegatron. and asus is the main brand of Asustek. pegatron split off from asustek in 2010, they're completely independent companies.
11:20 I wonder if the 7950X would perform better by manually setting lower power/electrical limits (PPT, EDC, TDC), so it keeps all cores at a lower but steady frequency rather than some of them running full speed and others clocking down way too much.
Then it would still be hobbling the 7950x performance.
17:58 "look like it has the chance to support parts like the 7950X" Please teach us how to also judge by the looks 😄 In all seriousness, though, when I'm looking for ITX boards "looks" is the only angle I have. And when it comes to power stages I'm lost and would likely pick the wrong board. A "buildzoid light" eduacational piece would be awesome.
Just look at the components on the board ;)
7800X3D with a cheap board is for many a perfect combination, it will last a loooong time and thanks to its limited power consumption the need for the high end VRM cooling etc just isn't needed.
So is it worth it?
Why don't you watch the video first lmao
Yes
@@JagsP95 I watched the video and was honestly surprised that it was a test that focused more on the motherboard and its shortcoming (who would brings this to market in this state??) with all CPUs above 120 watt. I did expect a 7800X3D focused test on a super cheap board and a conclusion that would say something about it.
could you take a look at the recent fiasco over asus boards burning 7800x3d cpu's?
This is news to me. What is your source for this please?
@@Squashed8Ballit’s a popular thread in the Amd subreddit. Gamers nexus offered the person to purchase it from the person who’s board and cpu died
@@Squashed8Ball On videocardz you have article about it
@@adamadamx5464 the German did a video he does speak English
That's how rumors start, we know of 1 (ONE) case and now it's already "asus boards burning 7800x3d cpu's".
Great video, thank you for dealing with all the issues and testing it out!
Awesome piece! Thanks for the time invested Steve.
I do believe it is nothing absurd to see an entry level board not able to run a 170W cpu, as I believe no one would ever use a combo like that. Even if am5 ends up supporting another 3 generations like am4 did, there will always be lower consumption cpu. Even the 7950x itself has the bios option to limit consumption to 95 or 65W in ECO mode
No, but it is absurd to claim that it does in fact do that, when it actually doesn't.
@@memitim171 sure, I agree. At least now it is correct
Interesting to hear how much Asrock apparently tried to gaslight you
I remember Asrock doing this same thing with AM3+ and Bulldozer. Initially some boards listed compatibility with 125W processors which were later removed from the support list because they would throttle the 8120. It was very unfortunate for buyers who bought them to pair with the 8120s.
Right now in germany the A620 HDV/M.2 Version (there is no + available) is 117,5€, which is 109,43$ without tax as the cheapest AM5 board. Edit: No board unter 100$ here...
With 156€ or 145,48$ without tax, the B650 HDV/M.2 is the cheapest B650 Board.
Which one would you buy?
Perhaps adding a heatsink and even a fan could improve vrm temps?
It already have a heatsink so adding would be hard.
@@annoyingguyoninternet1631 It's hard to see how this'd be worth the trouble anyway, since you can get proper 170W support for an extra $20-30. The temps are just fine for the CPUs you should realistically use in a board like this.
@@ozzyp97 absolutely this and A series traditionally drop prices down to $50 overtime
i have an msi rtx 3070 gaming x and 5800x.. i think im good..
Not for long with the 3070...
@@DebasedAnon Depends on the Resolution. 1080p 8GB VRAM would be enough. 1440p you need to lower down the textures to high or medium depending on the game.
@@DeadPhoenix86DP Even in 1080p you need to lower it in newer games...
Only reason 8GB was enough was because they were still developing with PS4 in mind, now they're switching to focusing on PS5 and they wont limit VRAM usage anywhere near as much and you can already see that with Hogwarts and how its literally unplayable even at 1080p ultra on a 3070...
@@DebasedAnon Never seen any game go above 8GB on 1080p Resolution. 1440p yes but 1080p no. And the PS5 is using 10GB at best for games, while the rest is reserved for the OS.
nah 8 gb is still good. those games are just unoptimized. and people are blowing it pjt of proportion.. u can still do good with 8gbs..
You saved a lot of people who got this mobo
I have the cheaper NON+ version ( @ €79 ) with a Ryzen7 7700 ( 65w ) runs like a ( 8-Core ) DREAM !!
video was barely about the 7800x3d
It's called motherboard review.
@@Smallman647 then dont name the title 7800x3d +a620 is it worth it?
Makes it sound like the video is about testing the x3d chip on a620??
@@Deathscythe91 how much more needed to be said about the 7800X3D? The review is mainly about the this A620 board so the content reflects that. The 7800X3D works fine in this board and he showed that thoroughly.
Nothing but problems with multiple x670 chipset MB's I have used and tested. Zen 4 CPU's are exceptional, truly amazing. The motherboards as a whole are without a doubt, the worst generation I have ever seen. They are FULL of problems. We now have the x3d cpu's frying the sockets of ASUS/MSI mb's.
I know of one case and even if there was a second one it doesn't mean anything in relation to the number of chips sold, time will tell. Also, it's unclear what the problem was, the CPU or the motherboard.
3:08 +XD! No timestamps means Steve is simply expressing his frustration, XD! Thumbs up!
worth mention that in my country b650 are double the price of some a620 so yeah if the a620 could push some better cpus I can some people doing that myself included.
Ok 🥲
Asrock makes the worst hardware. Period.
My AB350 PRO4 from Asrock is serving me well. Upgraded the cpu from R5 1600 to 5800x3D and it's still working perfectly.
Yep Asrock is trash.
That's not true although they do seem to be rather inconsistent but Steve himselv said their B650 is the best in that class.
Surprisingly Asus entry level ones are worst on b650
@@skyryudo311 Not suprising to me, tbh. Asus always seems to be lacking with AMD hardware.
These A620 motherboards, especially the 120W versions, will make a lot more sense when the R3 7000 CPUs and AM5 APUs roll out. Pairing an A620 motherboard with something like an Athlon 7000G, R3 7100, or R3 7200G would make for a great starter PC or home office system. Right now, I totally agree, there is no market for these things. But really, in most cases, it would make more sense to save up and budget enough money for the cheapest B650 motherboard available.
Imagine updating the bios and finding out the CPU you have installed is no longer supported
Shout-outs to all people writing an Email to support about issues, you really help everyone 👍
Thanks for being honest and showing the truth. They just hope people that go to purchase those boards realize what they're getting because most won't watch videos
❤ Many thanks just me from making a costly choice. Great A620 review.
"no one is going to pair a 7950x with a cheap mobo"
Today no, but in few years definitely yes.
A lot of my friends on the B350 and B450 are now running CPUs like 5950X and 5800X 3D. Because the uplift in performance vs Zen 1(+) is amazing. Also the top tier Zen 3 cpus are getting super cheap. So yes, I totally do expect some guys slaping a 7950X (3D) on a A620/low tier B650 mobo.
I didn't even know that BAD BOARDS didn't support high-end CPUs that are supposed to fit in the socket. I wouldn't even think to consider that.
Thank you, Steve. Your sacrifice will not be forgotten.
Currently the ASRock A620M-HDV/M.2+ costs €104,90 and the
ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 costs €154. Would you go for the A620 board or save up for the B650? it's a bit more than $20.
We need more reviews like this.
I just come to appreciate him saying the full name of the board
First bios is limited to 65w TDP (90w ppt). Maybe there is some checkbox to go unlimited power
That would make a nice Micro Center free motherboard bundle with 7800X3D CPU purchase.
It's refreshing to see NewEgg being a good guy for once. Well done.
how does it work with the 65w cpus tho? i would of liked to have seen a r5 7600 result
The price for this mobo is estimated by guru3d around $180 before VAT. That's crazy 😵💫😵💫
I just went on the ASrock website as of 16-05-24 the ASrock A620M-HDV/M.2 apparently supports 170w cpus.
As a system builder since the early 2000's, i can 100% concur with your sentiments (i.e. Steve) completely regarding ASRock.
I think i first purchased an ASRock board in 2007-'08, knowing fully well that they were a relatively new(b) OEM at the time. Needless to say, there were issues from the outset: from failing drivers (audio, system BUS drivers, etc). At the time, i thought i was "doing it wrong", until my online investigations into AsRock began to expose a pretty dismal record of low quality m/b builds.
At any rate, fast forward some 18-20 years, and all i can truthfully say to any would be system builder: DO NOT BUY ASRock m/b's if you can at all afford alternatives. In fairness the overall quality may have improved over the years, but my gut feeling is Steve's experiences here point to the fact they (ASRock) clearly still take shortcuts in the m/b production processes.
Spend a few dollars more on (my recommended) brands, such as: ASUS, Gigabyte or MSI, and avoid (most) the hassles you'll get with ASRock.
Always asking the right questions, awesome!
I am surprised by the fact the A620M-HDV/120W did score only 21356 CB23 using 7950X while it scored 35751 on the 7950X3D. The 120W-limited 7950X (no-3D) should score about the same using the same power limits.
So I was wondering if the 7950X would perform better on this board when PBO 105W limits are applied. Actually I am running my 7950X on an X670 motherboard with PBO 105W limit and scoring 36000-37000 CB23 points and it should be around the same power consumption as the stock 7950X3D.
So I would be interested if hard-"throttling" to 105W PBO would increase the performance on this board and ASRock would be better off automatically applying a PBO limit on 170W CPUs avoding overheating and overload throttling. Providing a smooth and consistent 105W experience.
Given the quite small performance loss of the 7950X comparing 170W and 105W power limits it might still be considerable to pair the A620 with a 7950X in some cases. Also assuming we will see more 105/120W CPUs by AMD throughout the AM5 lifecycle. So I am assuming that Zen5/6/7 might still include 120W models which provide a decent performance uplift in the future.
However I do fully agree that the cuts made by ASrock just to save $20 are not worth it. So the B650 is a much better buy. But sometimes you need to work with what's available...
I don't know if you can limit power on A series but that's exactly what I would do. Too bad this is something this channel will skip because who cares about pheasant hardware.
THANK YOU!!!! I’d been considering the A620 board for a cheap build
Thank you for your time on this subject.