Game Of Thrones: Full Series Retrospective

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    Set in the fictional continent of Westeros, the noble houses of Stark and Lannister go to war when Lord Ned Stark learns the Lannisters are conspiring to steal the throne with an illegitimate heir. Meanwhile, across the Narrow Sea, the usurped Targaryen family plot to retake the Iron Throne.
    Created by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss. Based on the series A Song of Ice And Fire by George R. R. Martin. Starring Sean Bean as Eddard "Ned" Stark", Mark Addy as Robert Baratheon, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Jaime Lannister, Michelle Fairley as Catelyn Stark, Lena Heady as Cersei Lannister, Emilia Clarke as Daenerys Targaryen, Iain Glen as Jorah Mormont, Harry Lloyd as Viserys Targaryen, Kit Harington as Jon Snow, Richard Madden as Robb Stark, Sophie Turner as Sansa Stark, Maisie Williams as Arya Stark, Alfie Allen as Theon "Reek" Greyjoy, Isaac Hempstead Wright as Bran Stark, Jack Gleeson as Joffrey Baratheon, Rory McCann as Sandor "The Hound" Clegane, Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister, Jason Momoa as Khal Drogo, Aidan Gillen as Petyr "Kid Named Littlefinger" Baelish, Liam Cunningham as Davos Seaworth, John Bradley as Samwell Tarly, Stephen Dillane as Stannis Baratheon, Carice van Houten as Melisandre, James Cosmo as Jeor Mormont, Jerome Flynn as Bronn, Conleth Hill as Varys, Sibel Kekilli as Shae, Natalie Dormer as Margaery Tyrell, Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister, Oona Chaplin as Talisa Maegyr, Rose Leslie as Ygritte, Joe Dempsie as Gendry, Kristofer Hivju as Tormund Giantsbane, Gwendonline Christie as Brienne of Tarth, Iwan Rheon as Ramsay Bolton, Hannah Murray as Gilly, Michiel Huisman as Daario Naharis, Nathalie Emmanuel as Missendei, Dean-Charles Chapman as Tommen Baratheon, Indira Varma as Ellaria Sand, Tom Wlaschiha as Jaqen H'ghar, Michael McElhatton as Roose Bolton, Jonathan Pryce as The High Sparrow, Jacob Anderson as Grey Worm, Donald Sumpter as Maester Luwin, Kristian Nairn as Hodor, Wilko Johnson as Ilyn Payne, Owen Teale as Alliser Thorne, Ian McElhinney as Barristan Selmy, Julian Glover as Grand Maester Pycelle, Gethin Anthony as Renly Baratheon, Natalia Tena as Osha, Gemma Whelan as Yara Greyjoy, Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson as Gregor "The Mountain" Clegane, Ciarán Hinds as Mance Rayder, Anton Lesser as Qyburn, Diana Rigg as Olenna "The Queen of Thorns" Tyrell, Noah Taylor as Locke, Richard Dormer as Beric Dondarrion, Pedro Pascal as Oberyn Martell, Keisha Castle-Hughes as Obara Sand, Rosabell Laurenti Sellers as Tyene Sand, Jessica Henwick as Nymeria Sand, Bella Ramsey as Lyanna Mormont, Pilou Asbæk as Euron Greyjoy, Vladimir Furdik as the Night King and Eugene Simon as Lancel Lannister... Lancel? Gods, what a stupid name.
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  • @SeanvanBerlo
    @SeanvanBerlo Před rokem +4875

    Emilia Clarke had a stroke just before season 2 started. That’s not a joke, it actually explains a lot about her performance in especially season 2.

    • @chonchjohnch
      @chonchjohnch Před rokem +529

      I could swear it was an aneurysm

    • @Lynch2507
      @Lynch2507 Před rokem +586

      @@chonchjohnch she has a charity dedicated to stroke recovery and rehab so I'm assuming that

    • @orionh5535
      @orionh5535 Před rokem +561

      It was a brain aneurysm

    • @vincegalila7211
      @vincegalila7211 Před rokem +406

      Kinda unfortunate they extended the Qarth storyline. They had the perfect excuse to keep it book length.

    • @Flipitmixit
      @Flipitmixit Před rokem +29

      Whaaat

  • @chips4777
    @chips4777 Před rokem +1259

    "Deanerys doesn't seem at all disgusted to find out she has been sleeping with her nephew". Bro her parents were siblings lol.

    • @CrackingCody
      @CrackingCody Před rokem +247

      Also Dany 100% was molested most of her life by her brother, we literally see some of it in the show. To find out she banged her nephew wouldn’t bother her in the slightest, it’s what her family is known for. Hell, even in the books she’s constantly pushed to marry people even remotely related to her.

    • @cadeconner519
      @cadeconner519 Před rokem +168

      She grew up thinking she would marry her brother

    • @mike.n.n.7723
      @mike.n.n.7723 Před rokem +49

      Her grandparents were siblings as well

    • @110000116699
      @110000116699 Před rokem +74

      Targs gonna targ

    • @aahana4931
      @aahana4931 Před rokem +30

      even if they weren't targs i'm sure Westeros definition of incest is just full fledged siblings 💀💀

  • @murray9807
    @murray9807 Před rokem +3504

    The ending essentially boils down to "The real Game of Thrones was the friends we made along the way".

    • @knightr0685
      @knightr0685 Před rokem +29

      Fax

    • @adamsunderland0823
      @adamsunderland0823 Před rokem +67

      Its still not over!!! "slowly puts on clown make up"

    • @ThePreciseClimber
      @ThePreciseClimber Před rokem +25

      If you think about it, this story has always lacked focus. It always feels like there's a dozen different plot lines happening at the same time.

    • @murray9807
      @murray9807 Před rokem +30

      @@ThePreciseClimber Yes and?

    • @mori1bund
      @mori1bund Před rokem +27

      @@ThePreciseClimber you make this sound like this is a bad thing. ^^

  • @daniella.isobella
    @daniella.isobella Před rokem +2340

    Honestly, they did not "exhaust" the book material. They purposefully cut out important parts they didn't want to adapt. Even GRRM said that if they copied the five books one-for-one, they could have had at least ten seasons' worth of material.

  • @kiratherenegade1561
    @kiratherenegade1561 Před rokem +2426

    It all comes down to Tyrion.
    They made Tyrion a saint when he should've become a sinner. He should've been the one pushing Dany's buttons for total revenge on Cersei. He should've been the devil on her shoulder - before realising he's pushed her too far.
    As is - Dany has 2 angels on her shoulders (Tyrion & Jon) & decides to go the other way anyway. It comes outta nowhere.
    It all comes down to Tyrion.

    • @nostalgiatrip7331
      @nostalgiatrip7331 Před rokem +211

      You make a good point.. considering that in the books tyrion seems to be going that dark route, and the idea that GRRM laid out the ending for Daenerys turn but let D&D fill in the gaps. The piece they were missing was Tyrion's vengeance, they didn't wanna alienate viewers to the loveable underdog character that we've grown to love. But in the end, Tyrion does nothing but say "i have faith in her" for the last two seasons anyways.

    • @kiratherenegade1561
      @kiratherenegade1561 Před rokem +95

      @@nostalgiatrip7331
      Exactly. I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but they just didn't want to continue with Tyrion's "I should've let Stannis kill you all" mentality.

    • @vario6492
      @vario6492 Před rokem +48

      "Tyrion is the key to all this" George Lucas said calmly

    • @eriklakeland3857
      @eriklakeland3857 Před rokem +43

      Also Tyrion murdered his father but still maintains a bromance with Jaime. So annoying

    • @linataranenko9541
      @linataranenko9541 Před rokem +67

      Yeeees. I mean, in the court scene he was consumed by hatred and later KILLED his father and lover, and suddenly he is being like “Cersei is not so bad” and “killing your enemies is wrong”?? Make it make sense.

  • @SuperPal-tr3go
    @SuperPal-tr3go Před rokem +1842

    Cersei just being Queen after killing the High Sparrow (who was widely liked) and Margaery (who was widely liked) and her own uncle (kinslaying is supposed to be a big deal) and a quarter of the city kind of ruined that whole plot arc for me. Like.. things like that used to have consequences and know they don't, which makes everything kind of pointless.

    • @Totherphoenix
      @Totherphoenix Před rokem +246

      there was an entire season worth of consequences we could have seen from Cersei doing this - she killed a military strategist and patriarch of her house, the king, the queen who the smallfolk loved, the head of the religion that dominates the smallfolk, and a bunch of other characters, and there were ZERO fucking consequences for it lmfao

    • @Flipitmixit
      @Flipitmixit Před rokem +21

      Wasnt that kinda the point. She took the throne by force and ruled by use of fear. Making her the opposite of Dany. Until season 8

    • @SuperPal-tr3go
      @SuperPal-tr3go Před rokem

      @@Flipitmixit Legitimacy is supposed to still be a thing and once again she pissed off a bunch of people. Nevermind that the Lannisters are broke, been fighting non-stop for a decade, and alienated all their allies.

    • @realitybitesx
      @realitybitesx Před rokem +64

      i thought she had become a feared ruler and hated by lords and the common people. but we never see any of that soo....

    • @chandrawagner4061
      @chandrawagner4061 Před rokem +90

      It would have been OK if they had showed at least some hint of her covering it up by spreading rumors that it was remnants of the mad king. Maybe even use that to stew dissent against Daenerys. Maybe have a couple people not believe in the streets and have the mountain smoosh their head like that one flasher guy. Have some kind of mention of it at all. But noOoOo no time for that, gotta go catch a wight.

  • @ironwolf56
    @ironwolf56 Před rokem +1376

    Olenna Tyrell isn't Margery's mother, she's her grandmother. Her son is Margery's dad, you actually see him a few times.

    • @ljb8157
      @ljb8157 Před rokem +234

      "Not now Mace! Lord Tywin and I are speaking"

    • @parkeydee
      @parkeydee Před rokem +32

      @@ljb8157 absolutely love that scene 😂

    • @hanyu_dada
      @hanyu_dada Před rokem +42

      yeah, guys is like they should have done this! and then he doesnt even know basic character relationship lmao

    • @nickjack1696
      @nickjack1696 Před rokem +82

      She even says “grandmother please!” a couple times

    • @nat4695
      @nat4695 Před rokem +37

      and Margerys mother was a Hightower!

  • @Michaelpatrickwarren
    @Michaelpatrickwarren Před rokem +206

    I like the respawning Dothraki at the end. Totally didn't just watch them all get killed.

    • @judeconnor-macintyre9874
      @judeconnor-macintyre9874 Před rokem +35

      What makes it better is when talking about the Dothraki massacre scene Dumb and Dumber say, "what we're seeing is, essentially, the end of the Dothraki"

    • @myronwilborn6561
      @myronwilborn6561 Před 11 měsíci +11

      Someone pressed start on the player 2 controller

    • @NephritduGrey
      @NephritduGrey Před 7 měsíci +10

      They just kind of forgot they died.

    • @zoeb3573
      @zoeb3573 Před 2 měsíci

      @@judeconnor-macintyre9874 which is also dumb in itself because that's only the grown men. we have NO idea where they left their women and children. They kind of just... vanish. once Dany needs her men to fight. where's the rest of the population?? even without all the men respawning, their people can't all be dead when over half of the population is missing doing god knows what? and even after she dies and the respawned Dothraki are doing crimes all over the country, are they not gonna go back to their wives and kids eventually?? Dothrakies usually travel with their entire groups, I just genuinely don't believe these men are not at least a little bit worried about what's happening to the women and children while they're on war crimes vacation.

  • @GioTheVax
    @GioTheVax Před rokem +491

    What I think makes Robb's death during the Red Wedding most effective isn't that we care about Robb dying so much as we care about **Catelyn's son** dying. This whole region was really Catelyn's story, as she was the POV character in the book and present for most of the intrigue in Robb's camp and the West. So when you see Robb go down, you're really grieving with Catelyn, and it primes you for her death as well. I'll never forget Michelle Farley's scream.

    • @Ashbrash1998
      @Ashbrash1998 Před rokem +54

      AGREED, everybody especially Michelle's acting SOLD IT.

    • @GrainneMhaol
      @GrainneMhaol Před rokem +31

      The DVD commentary with Richard Madden and Michelle Fairley features the two of them just sobbing through the whole scene.

    • @thorCast
      @thorCast Před 11 měsíci +10

      Idk I hated Catlyn. If Rob just left her home where she belonged he'd likely have lived and won.

    • @imnotpaulavery7608
      @imnotpaulavery7608 Před 10 měsíci +20

      @@thorCastexcept for the fact that he was killed due to his own mistakes lmfao

    • @raymondsims7042
      @raymondsims7042 Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@imnotpaulavery7608well yeah his own mistakes but she didn’t make anything easier. She was just as dumb. 😂

  • @Lynch2507
    @Lynch2507 Před rokem +626

    If there's one silver lining i can get from the disaster of a final season, its that the various videos of script readings all show that the actors probably hated it as much as the audience did

    • @fort809
      @fort809 Před rokem +76

      I just like how it made mainstream audiences realize how bad the show got. As early as s6 the show was making insane mistakes (glovers told the Starks they were loyal to the boltons, despite the fact that the boltons killed their whole family in s2), but s8 was so blatant nobody could ignore it

    • @Moozeooze
      @Moozeooze Před rokem +37

      @@fort809 that was like the least of the mistakes in s6 but i do get your point

    • @nekusakura6748
      @nekusakura6748 Před rokem +61

      Bless their hearts though, they did TRY to make the rubbish writing work on screen.
      Emilia Clarke has all of my Sympathies for the Bad hand she was dealt with in the final season.

    • @Lynch2507
      @Lynch2507 Před rokem +31

      @@nekusakura6748 if I remember correctly, fans actually organised a big fundraiser for her SameYou charity which was really sweet

    • @nekusakura6748
      @nekusakura6748 Před rokem +18

      @@Lynch2507 By bad hand, I mean the Writing for her character.
      The Fan Support for her is genuinely great though.

  • @wildercerrate7295
    @wildercerrate7295 Před rokem +244

    Death of Joffrey, Tyrion's trial, mountain vs viper, and then capping off with watchers on the wall.
    Season 4 is definitely one of the greatest seasons of television ever

  • @alonsogonzalez7539
    @alonsogonzalez7539 Před rokem +465

    The whole Sansa and Arya set up Littlefinger subplot is so good on paper, but it really didn't land in execution. Like yes, season 6 ends with Sansa knowing she has to get rid of Littlefinger, and I don't think she could have done so by just snitching on him, so the idea of her laying out a trap, letting him think he was the one manipulating them was such a cool idea that wasn't given its due.
    Cause basically it all boils down to Bran just saying "yah it's all true" when Petyr is accused. The whole plot would have been so much more satisfactory if we had been misdirected as an audience, but with the last reveal showing us how in retrospective she was collecting the evidence and laying out the trap.
    This was the plot that could have so fully made use of Sansa and Arya's skills. Like imagine if Littlefinger had been all season believing he was talking with his agents keeping an eye on the sisters, to be revealed that Arya had been impersonating them for most of the time.

    • @stackspace
      @stackspace Před rokem +20

      I like the idea of Arya impersonating Petyr's agents, but I always thought this plot should've been a call back to what Sansa learned from Tyrion, which is that you can be dishonorable to achieve honorable ends.
      It wouldve been so sick if Sansa had played Petyr and Aria. Because of Brans's logic-breaking power of knowing everything everywhere all the time, the plot wouldve had to have been that Sansa "kidnaps" Bran and tells Petyr it was Aria explaining she had spent so much time with the faceless men and the Hound and she wanted his power for herself. Alternatively, she tells Aria it was Petyr. She lays all of the evidence herself until Aria kills Petyr and then Sansa reveals she took Bran and needed Aria to kill Baelish. This would obviously hurt their relationship but Bran would explain that Petyr was too clever and there was no other way.
      I have written this over and over again in my head due to sheer frustration with how this plot played out.
      I agree with pretty much everything you said, though. A coupla jabronies in CZcams comments coulda made this series actually worthwhile.

    • @alonsogonzalez7539
      @alonsogonzalez7539 Před rokem +27

      @@stackspace Mmm, I do think that thematically is just stronger if the sisters are working together, you know? To show that Petyr couldn't destroy the Starks. So while he spends the whole season believing he's finally succeeding in isolating Sansa from her sister, it truly is that both of them have been playing him.
      I just really like the idea of Sansa coming up with the plan and Aria lending her skills. So all they both learn in their journeys comes together, to avenge their family and make Petyr pay.

    • @american1207
      @american1207 Před rokem +10

      Meh, I think any plot Arya is in is almost entirely ruined. Like Bran she's too much of an xmen character for the plot to really have any suspense. Also Petyr after season 4 is just too much of a mustache twilry villian, he's like the obvious bad guy we used to see in those cartoons when we were 10, he's just too corny. And his plans are idiotic after a certain point they don't make any sense. Honestly this plot point was a waste of space, they were trying so hard to give Arya and Sansa something to do it felt way too forced and convoluted.

    • @TrumpFanNetwork2
      @TrumpFanNetwork2 Před rokem +2

      How come Ned or Littlefinger either of them demanded a trial by combat?

    • @ryansizemore5064
      @ryansizemore5064 Před rokem +1

      One of the few good things about the show omitting stuff is book readers can plug in details not being utilized in the show. Its like you can bridge the narrative with fanfiction that matches up with GRRM's intentions.

  • @brattygamer8939
    @brattygamer8939 Před rokem +588

    One note - Dany doesn't have a reaction of disgust to sleeping with her nephew because that's sort of what Targs did. A LARGE number of them married their direct sibling. Plus uncle/aunt married to niece/nephew is already established elsewhere in the cannon for her family so she likely grew up just thinking of it as normal. Her brother HAD to have spent the first 14 years of her life doing nothing but telling her stories of their history as she seemed to know a hell of a lot about it for someone who hasn't seen a member of her family outside her brother or ANYONE really who knew them since she was a literal infant so no doubt he included this part as well. Likely mentioned how if he didn't need to sell her to get an army - he would marry her himself to keep the bloodline pure and all that jazz

    • @KabbalahSherry
      @KabbalahSherry Před rokem +129

      For real, in the source material Dany grows up thinking that she will be marrying her brother to continue their Targ heritage. It's only when Vicerys becomes desperate for an army that he sells her off to the Dothraki. Otherwise, she would have had to marry him.

    • @LexieLouLou
      @LexieLouLou Před rokem +13

      Yeah but they ignored that precedent again with the new show… (spoilers) There’s no good reason for the King to deny Daemon’s proposal to marry Rhenera. There’s honestly not much reason for him to even be mad- the people aren’t going to revolt so who cares if they find out about her escapades, and if she marries Daemon, their affairs before their union wouldn’t matter to the other houses. I haven’t watched past episode 4, but for them to make a big stink about her making out with her uncle and then turn around and have her marry a cousin is so weird to me

    • @Magicalnora
      @Magicalnora Před rokem +74

      @@LexieLouLou I think it was more like daemon already has a wife in the vale and therefore can't marry rhaenyra. Westeros can abide the targs incest but even in the North, men are expected to have one wife till death do them part

    • @Amandor2011
      @Amandor2011 Před rokem +28

      @@LexieLouLou I think it has to do more with the fact that Daemon always messes with Viserys so it again seems like just a way to insult his king and brother, not some way to solve the conflict, incest is not really a big deal for them, at least for Viserys who also was married at first to one of his close relatives
      He was even proposed to wed her with her own stepbrother and Viserys was more bothered that Aegon was a child at a time, not that they were siblings

    • @MissSimone02
      @MissSimone02 Před rokem +19

      @@Amandor2011 no, in Fire and Blood the reason why Daemon isn't allowed to remarry is because of his wife in the Vale. Also the Vaelyreons were skipped over multiple times and Corlys and Raena were very frustrated by this. Viserys needed to marry Rhaenyra off to Laenor to keep the peace. Plus they're family.

  • @realitybitesx
    @realitybitesx Před rokem +887

    i think Emilias acting got better after season 2, also remember watching bts footage and shes constantly asking the director for ...well.. direction in her line delivery, as time goes on i think she became a more skilled actress. also completely forgot about her major health issues at the time.

    • @sessena7919
      @sessena7919 Před rokem +188

      Plus later on the directors actually stopped her from giving Dany more nuance. They didn't even let her slouch in chairs even though that's something her character 100% would have done in the books

    • @NorthernWind_Vlll
      @NorthernWind_Vlll Před rokem +191

      HUGE NOTE: Emilia Clarke suffered a brain haemorrhage just few weeks before the filming of season 2. A part of her brain was removed due to this and there was a risk of having another one soon. But she pushed on to the set in this very dry desert where she needed constant cooling. To me it's a surprise how she managed to even act on this season so quickly after the surgery and with another health risk on top of that.

    • @eloeden2056
      @eloeden2056 Před rokem +40

      In my opinion Emilia had a very strong presence on screen in season 1. After that Season 2 and 3 she was still good. Season 4,5,6 not as much in my opinion, basically the whole essos ruling situation didn’t really impressed me (acting wise) then season 7 and 8 she’s really good again. it’s hard to describe why so don’t quote me on that but i think it’s because she doesn’t really convince me as « ruler ». she’s more convincing when she’s trying to prove herself or directly facing adversity

    • @wadejohnston4305
      @wadejohnston4305 Před rokem +7

      She's not a skilled actor. The terminator movie was HORRIBLE and she's arguably the worst part of it. I'm not throwing shade at her it's just a fact. She isn't a good actor.

    • @niklasschroder9564
      @niklasschroder9564 Před rokem +58

      @@wadejohnston4305 so you dont like her peformance in one movie which makes it a fact that she is not a skilled actor? ^^ maybe you are extrapolating from your own opinion a bit too much? I think she perfectly matched the trashy tone of all terminator movies :)

  • @kissmealready
    @kissmealready Před rokem +686

    I think the point of Ned Stark in season 1 is supposed to be a sort of proxy or window for us. He's the innocent viewer slowly being submerged into a selfish and scummy political world, where everyone and anyone can/will be betrayed to further someone else's goal

    • @michaelmcgee2026
      @michaelmcgee2026 Před rokem

      He wasn't innocent by any means. He was constantly called honorable and broke his honor and lied multiple times. The point of him was to show nothings black and white.

    • @razorreacts1723
      @razorreacts1723 Před rokem +32

      Hes presented as the moral compass and for non readers the protagonist he was the spring board for the entire show as after hisbdeath nothing is the same

    • @gnarghhfps3239
      @gnarghhfps3239 Před rokem +13

      Honorable men don't survive in a unhonorable world

    • @thelexicon7294
      @thelexicon7294 Před rokem +5

      He was, I think. But I also think the point the video is making is that that kind of a blank slate protagonist good boy whose eyes everyone is supposed to experience the world through is a bit passé as an archetype and they're increasingly hard to care deeply about, or identify with. Especially in a world which promises a battle of the wits and wherein the protagonist is constantly outwitted by everyone.

    • @KingKong11730
      @KingKong11730 Před rokem +23

      Ned is supposed to portray the classic hero archetype. Honorable to a fault, and his character is meant to show what happens to a character like that in A song of ice and fire. Noble as he is, he refuses to play the "game of thrones" and is therefore killed in disgrace, leading to an all out war. It's meant to describe what type of world Westeros is and I think it does a damn good job at it.

  • @flightofthebumblebee9529
    @flightofthebumblebee9529 Před rokem +211

    The moment in season 7 where Sandor shows great sadness and buries the father and daughter he robbed 3 seasons earlier was one of the saddest moments of the series. Especially how Thoros of Myr asked if he knew them, then helped him bury them.

    • @HeatherHolt
      @HeatherHolt Před 10 měsíci +5

      Great underrated scene

    • @melz4766
      @melz4766 Před 8 měsíci +3

      God that scene killed me 💔

    • @IronFreakV
      @IronFreakV Před 4 měsíci +2

      Yes - as flawed as the 2 last season's are they did have some moments that were absolutely stellar. That one is definately one of them.

  • @nekusakura6748
    @nekusakura6748 Před rokem +237

    Olenna Tyrell was my favourite character in the show...
    RIP Dame Diana Rigg.

    • @Maesterful
      @Maesterful Před rokem

      You're such a sword swallower

    • @HOTD108_
      @HOTD108_ Před rokem +2

      @@Maesterful Says you.

    • @Carpet_Carp
      @Carpet_Carp Před rokem

      Really? Mine was Harry Strickland, to be honest.

    • @raymondsims7042
      @raymondsims7042 Před 10 měsíci

      @@Carpet_Carplmao😂😂😂I just remember him running and grey worm throwing the sword through him

  • @theporcelaingamer
    @theporcelaingamer Před rokem +990

    I’m surprised you didn’t mention the plot hole of Bran saying he could never be King since he’s the Three Eyed Raven, just for the next season to become King. Like, did they not check that beforehand?

    • @nekusakura6748
      @nekusakura6748 Před rokem +134

      That seriously made me think that Sansa would become Queen of all of the Realms rather than just the North with Bran as her Hand of the Queen.
      SHE had a more of an Arc that would have made her rise to power earned ( putting aside her poor treatment in Season 5).

    • @Maesterful
      @Maesterful Před rokem +59

      You think that D & D really cared by that stage...?

    • @paulbartram9699
      @paulbartram9699 Před rokem +95

      They just kinda forgot...

    • @oliviawilliams6204
      @oliviawilliams6204 Před rokem +22

      Said he would not be Lord…. He became a king

    • @himynameis3664
      @himynameis3664 Před rokem

      @@nekusakura6748 It's tragic that those dimwits got paid to write such a shit ending and here you are, not getting paid anything and writing a better ending in a CZcams comment

  • @LP-bi4vc
    @LP-bi4vc Před rokem +386

    I think the best way to have ended Dany's story would have been for her to burn the Red Keep and accidentally blow up King's Landing in the process. It's been well-established that there's still a tonne of wildfyre stashed away by King Aerys; burning the Red Keep could ignite the stashes and kill the whole city. We'd get to see her deal with that guilt, which is about 20x more interesting than what we got.

    • @ColourMagician
      @ColourMagician Před rokem +73

      Only half way through the video, so maybe it's referenced later on, but that was the original script and what Emilia believed she was filming. They added in her massacre afterwards with CGI, with her only seeing it at the premiere, apparently with great embarrassment.

    • @LordofFullmetal
      @LordofFullmetal Před rokem +27

      There's a theory that was the original plot. You can SEE where they CG'd in green fire (aka wildfire), which feels so out of place in the version we got - not to mention, that is literally what Emilia was told they were filming. She believed that was the plot up until she saw the premiere. So the theory goes that the plot was changed at the last minute, for some reason.

    • @bgthereformer
      @bgthereformer Před rokem +3

      But remember that Cersei blew up the High Sparrow, it would seem (in)convenient that blowing up the Sept didn’t set off all the wildfyre b4 (but its still a better ending xd)

    • @natb9919
      @natb9919 Před rokem +21

      @@LordofFullmetal Also in the scene where Drogon is specifically burning kids in the streets you can see Dany isn't riding him so Emilia didn't film that scene and they just added it with CGI later. And they lied to Kit Harington too, they told him back in season 3 that Jon would be the one who kills the Night King, sometime in season 6 they changed their mind and told Maisie Williams it would be Arya but never told Kit anything. He didn't find out until the table read of 8x03! Remember just 4 episode earlier he was having another stare down with the NK after Dany saved him...All for nothing! And D&D knew it would be Arya but still wrote that scene in 7x06, I'd be pissed if I was Kit tbh. Jon really just became a plot device for them which became way more obvious in season 8.
      What I realised is those writers just didn't care. Didn't care about lying to the actors, didn't care about the story, the show, the viewers, the actors, everyone involved in making it etc to spend more time on it which HBO was handing out like free Candy plus free money! They didn't care about putting in enough effort to give the biggest show on TV the ending it deserved and I think they knew season 8 was an inconsistent, nonsensical, illogical mess before they put it out. But they just didn't care. That's what makes it still sad until this day, this thing we all loved so much was being handled by people who just didn't care about it.

    • @classicclipsF_TV
      @classicclipsF_TV Před 8 měsíci

      ooh i like that

  • @bZman
    @bZman Před rokem +821

    Benioff and Weiss are ENTIRELY to blame for the downfall of the series. The infamous “she just kinda forgot about the iron fleet” line in the post show just proves their incompetence without a book to follow. They deserve all the blame and hatred for killing such a brilliant show.

    • @Jane-oz7pp
      @Jane-oz7pp Před rokem +71

      They literally stated that they just didn't want to keep making it so they rushed the final three seasons. It's incredible that they got work after that.

    • @pintolerance785
      @pintolerance785 Před rokem +66

      They rushed the final seasons because Disney asked them to come on for a star wars project down the line, but they botched Game of thrones so bad that Disney walked out of the deal.

    • @baronhomer1
      @baronhomer1 Před rokem +1

      I totally would believe someone so inept at leading would forget about the iron fleet.

    • @thechemistamvs5033
      @thechemistamvs5033 Před rokem +8

      ​@@baronhomer1 How do you see her as inept?

    • @baronhomer1
      @baronhomer1 Před rokem +6

      @@thechemistamvs5033 tell me where you saw great decision making on her part either on the battlefield or on the "throne"?any moderately good decision came from her advisors clawing her back from making a angry rash one.

  • @kevinphiggins
    @kevinphiggins Před rokem +321

    I’m gonna need a citation on the claim that Benioff and Weiss tried “to the best of their abilities” to wrap the story up. Just saying.

    • @ALL_that_ENDS
      @ALL_that_ENDS Před rokem +15

      I'm going to have to second this.

    • @ijustwanttolikecomments4677
      @ijustwanttolikecomments4677 Před rokem +8

      @@ALL_that_ENDS 3rd. is that enough to put it to a vote?

    • @woahblackbetty7691
      @woahblackbetty7691 Před rokem +12

      They are hopelessly incompetant. Remember the pilot that had to be scrapped?

    • @kevinphiggins
      @kevinphiggins Před rokem +19

      @@woahblackbetty7691 thing is, that’s exactly why we know they *aren’t* hopelessly incompetent. They recognized that the original pilot was bad and fixed it. They *can* do good work. They just chose not to.

    • @kevinphiggins
      @kevinphiggins Před rokem

      @@woahblackbetty7691 thing is, that’s exactly why we know they *aren’t* hopelessly incompetent. They recognized that the original pilot was bad and fixed it. They *can* do good work. They just chose not to.

  • @kk_33
    @kk_33 Před rokem +471

    Man, I never realized that back in season 1, Ned was actually speaking directly to the audience "Winter is Coming". He warned us right from the start that Winter would be awful, and oh boy was it ever. Incredible foreshadowing, really.

    • @unropednope4644
      @unropednope4644 Před rokem +4

      Oh please, you loved it just as much as everyone else when it first aired. You're just going along with the majority opinion. There was nothing wrong with the ending.

    • @kk_33
      @kk_33 Před rokem +73

      @@unropednope4644 thanks for informing me how I felt, good thing I have a total stranger like you to tell me the truth about my own opinions. Here, I could have sworn I hated it all as it aired, but now I just realize I was just influenced by the public opinion I hadn't read yet.

    • @jakobplobeck8006
      @jakobplobeck8006 Před rokem +10

      @@unropednope4644 it would actually be great to hear what you did like about the ending. And the hatred for the ending was pretty much instentanius, no?

    • @punishedbarca761
      @punishedbarca761 Před rokem +5

      @@unropednope4644 nah I fell off the train when cersei blew up the sept. That was a crack in the plot I wasn't able to overlook and it really ruined the feel of the show.

    • @Starfish_Duder
      @Starfish_Duder Před rokem

      @@unropednope4644
      Imagine having this shit ass opinion and no follow-up.

  • @agrainofsun
    @agrainofsun Před rokem +208

    17.00 - 18.00 In the books the scene is exactly how you envisioned it. The moral lesson is not undermined, but Daenerys is just devastated. She punishes the Maegi even though she understands her message, because she blames her for ruining her life. When she walks into the fire, she wants to die. Only, the miracle happens, she gets the dragons, and instead of a tragic end this becomes the true beginning of her story: the rise to power of a leader who understands power's cost, and who constantly examines her actions to avoid becoming cruel like her husband, stupid like her brother, or naive like she used to be. Really didn't work out in the end but oh well

    • @alexandertsamourlidis646
      @alexandertsamourlidis646 Před rokem +32

      It really doesn't work as well as in the books as Dany, in the show, is never shown truly hesitant about anything. In the books you get her second guessing herself almost at every choice, but not in the show, no, here she is a stone cold badass who has a plan.

    • @dianag.7696
      @dianag.7696 Před rokem

      Exactly!

    • @zoeb3573
      @zoeb3573 Před 2 měsíci

      in the show they portrayed it like she already knew that she'd get her three dragons and become a badass by walking into the fire with her eggs. like right at that moment she had a plan and was putting it in motion

  • @CHamlin86
    @CHamlin86 Před 10 měsíci +34

    Let's not forget making Bronn master of coin. You know, the guy who literally says he knows nothing about money in season 2.

    • @zoeb3573
      @zoeb3573 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Not only that, but while I get he's always been a mercenary, his sudden betrayal still came off as a surprise to me. He's spent most of the show bonding with Jaime and Tyrion. For money, yes, I get it. But still, you gotta show me him changing his mind before you have him threaten to shoot them both if they don't promise him a reward. It wasn't even a good surprise like a shocking or impactful plot twist, more of a "huh, really now" moment. Also, why did Tyrion make good on that promise? Once he got back to power, what was forcing him to make him master of coin instead of just.. killing him or banishing him for threatening him or something?

  • @oliviawilliams6204
    @oliviawilliams6204 Před rokem +343

    Between seasons 1 and 2 Emilia Clarke suffered a brain aneurysm. It seriously affected her acting because she was still recovering.

    • @noneya3635
      @noneya3635 Před rokem +3

      They replaced other main characters without saying a word, no reason they couldn't do it to her too.

    • @NBACoDGaming
      @NBACoDGaming Před rokem +110

      @@noneya3635 What other main characters were re-cast? Gregor Clegane? Daario? Tommen? Hardly important characters. Replacing Dany would've been a mistake, way too big of a character. If she wouldn't have been able to continue, sure. But just because she was a little off with her acting for a while? Not a chance.

    • @oliviawilliams6204
      @oliviawilliams6204 Před rokem +52

      @@NBACoDGaming to be honest the wisest move would have been delaying season 2. Let her have more time recovering. Would have recovered faster

    • @vario6492
      @vario6492 Před rokem +3

      After pilot they recast Catelyn and... Daenerys. Yes, she initially had different actress

    • @oliviawilliams6204
      @oliviawilliams6204 Před rokem +40

      @@vario6492 they had to refilm the pilot and basically no one had seen the pilot except some executives. Emilia aneurysm happened later, between seasons 1 ans 2. And replacing Daenerys a major character would have been a much bigger deal than replacing Daario or the Mountain.

  • @enygmatyk11
    @enygmatyk11 Před rokem +59

    One of my biggest complaints about the show is that Cersei basically blew up the Vatican killing the pope who was really popular with the people and the queen who was really popular with the people. How the hell does she become queen after this. Sure she has an army, but there are no mentions of people rioting or even protesting, meanwhile in season 2 Joffrey almost dies because the people aren't happy. The writers just forgot about consequences for a cool moment.

    • @zoeb3573
      @zoeb3573 Před 2 měsíci

      Her son also kills himself right after it, and it doesn't make sense to me that no one would think "well she killed the pope and the queen, I guess it makes sense she'd also kill the king to be next in line". they'd be wrong, yes, but it's the most logical conclusion. Wasn't kingslaying a big deal in the story? that's Jaime's whole deal.

  • @potestoniko
    @potestoniko Před rokem +75

    Your final words about the world being kind of empty at the end reminds me of a dialogue between Jack Sparrow and Barbosa in pirates of the Caribbean 3 while looking at the corpse of the kraken
    B: the world used to be so much bigger,
    J: the world is still the same, there's just less in it.
    It's sad, very sad. Game of thrones used to have a world so rich and alive and by the end it was as if we were seeing a community theater written as a fanfic based on the books.

  • @riptidemonzarc3103
    @riptidemonzarc3103 Před rokem +192

    It really got me in the feels when Dany said "it's thronin' time" and swooped in on her dragon

    • @jraelien5798
      @jraelien5798 Před rokem +4

      Ok, I laughed out loud at that.

    • @HyenaDandy
      @HyenaDandy Před 6 měsíci +1

      She just throned all over the place

  • @TheKillianKanVT
    @TheKillianKanVT Před rokem +62

    They did littlefinger dirty. The guy was _the_ gamer of thrones. He was mastermind behind everything that happened and everything and everyone danced on the pit of his finger (pun intended) and then he, being the paranoid plotmaster is, got thwarted by two sisters who never got along, haven't seen each other for several years and then managed to play him like a fiddle without even talking enough. It was so bizarre to see.

    • @nevaminddd
      @nevaminddd Před 10 měsíci +2

      Fr, a big part of what I ADORED about the show and its genius technique for unravelling stories died when Littlefinger was wiped away so inconsiderately and just for a "omg Aria such a boss bitch pog little assassin sansa yas queen" moment for twitter. It abandoned everything and didnt commit to explain how someone so switched onto social and society dynamics like Littlefinger was bomboozled in such a lacklustre way. I just knew DND got handed a character with too much complexity they didnt understand or know how to kill off in a deserving and compelling way.

    • @cleverlydevisedmyth
      @cleverlydevisedmyth Před 9 měsíci

      exactly! I was sooo shocked in the novel 'Storm of swords" to find this minor background guy was behind all of this. Also, I do hope it is revealed in the future books that Varys is a female Blackfyre in disguise trying to bring back young Griff! The books seem to support that, as a parody of the historical boys Perkin Warbeck and Lambert Simnel who tried to overthrow Henry VII Tudor. Most of the plot point in the series are parodies of events in the 1460s-90s

  • @riaelise8910
    @riaelise8910 Před rokem +27

    Tommen just stepping out of that window hit me so hard. My heart broke

    • @zoeb3573
      @zoeb3573 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I think what broke me most is that I saw it coming. When they held the camera to the window as he walked to the left removing his crown, I knew he was gonna jump. And he didn't even jump, he just... allowed himself to fall. Shattering.

  • @user-yl2cr1cx1u
    @user-yl2cr1cx1u Před rokem +111

    i just realized this while watching but i think stannis killing shireen was based on a story of a greek king/general killing his daughter during the trojan war for better sailing weather so they could attack troy…and it worked. that would be really cool if they intentionally paralleled that
    edit: wikipedia confirmes yes they did LMAO

    • @jakobplobeck8006
      @jakobplobeck8006 Před rokem +6

      Dont compare our boy stannis tp agamemnon, stannis did it to save the world (which failed, but u cant blame a guy for trying)

    • @alexandertsamourlidis646
      @alexandertsamourlidis646 Před rokem +3

      You are referencing the story of Iphigenia.
      And yes in a sense there is such a parallel that will probably go similarly in the books, but I doubt that D&D actually thought about that at all

    • @user-yl2cr1cx1u
      @user-yl2cr1cx1u Před rokem +1

      @@alexandertsamourlidis646 nah i looked it up a couple months back and they directly reference using that as inspo

    • @alexandertsamourlidis646
      @alexandertsamourlidis646 Před rokem +3

      @@user-yl2cr1cx1u I m surprised they didn’t kinda forget about that play

    • @plugshirt1762
      @plugshirt1762 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@jakobplobeck8006bruh Stannis didn’t do it to save anything lol he did it because he wanted to be king

  • @kjellvb1979
    @kjellvb1979 Před rokem +297

    As a sexual abuse survivor, it does not make you a bad ass, it scars you deeply, often so deeply you don't realize the damage done until years if not decades later.

    • @KaelWrit
      @KaelWrit Před 9 měsíci +13

      thank you for saying that.

    • @Kimbie
      @Kimbie Před 9 měsíci +35

      It's frankly pretty disgusting how the show portrays it, yes. How the show can go "It doesn't matter, Cersei actually loves Jaime deep down" and "It was the catalyst that helped Sansa become her true Girlboss self!" isn't talked about enough.

    • @SonoftheWest316
      @SonoftheWest316 Před 9 měsíci +22

      People react to life experience and trauma differently. You dont get to speak for all sexual abuse survivors, some people are able to break out of victim mentality and use trauma to strengthen their will.

    • @nicksgmail9663
      @nicksgmail9663 Před 9 měsíci +3

      Also worth thinking about now in the shows universe, rape and SA are just way more common. Not that they’re not traumatic, but when it’s so commonplace it would force a lot of people into a mentality that doesn’t allow for such vulnerability

    • @ricodisqus3697
      @ricodisqus3697 Před 9 měsíci +39

      @@SonoftheWest316victim mentality is not the word to use here ffs

  • @mrjohnson8343
    @mrjohnson8343 Před rokem +73

    Emilia Clarke suffered from two near-fatal brain aneurysms in 2011 and 2013, she didn't speak openly about it until recently. She lost portions of her brain which would explain why her acting was sub-optimal as the aneurysms occurred during filming of GoT.

  • @nrrdgrrl4life365
    @nrrdgrrl4life365 Před rokem +28

    "if robb stark was your all out favorite character in all of game of thrones - i'm sorry"
    -plays next clip, cue me crying- he was my favorite...

  • @lydiapinnell1124
    @lydiapinnell1124 Před rokem +71

    Shireen deserved the entire world. She deserved the iron throne

  • @albertoovelar3771
    @albertoovelar3771 Před rokem +101

    The honorable thing for Rob Stark to do would have been keep his word and marry the woman he was promised to, not marry for love. So, being unlike his father actually would lead to his downfall, not being like his father

    • @economicerudite4924
      @economicerudite4924 Před rokem +27

      The “being like his father” aspect was with how he treated the Karstarks. He only needed to go back and grovel with Walder Frey in Season 3 because he executed Lord Karstark, despite everyone telling him not to. Honour compelled him to do so, but the consequences were that he lost half his army and the only house he could replenish them with were the Freys.

    • @sparingpickle4918
      @sparingpickle4918 Před rokem +2

      What? He married her out of honor not out of love. He barley knew the girl but took her virginity so he felt it was his duty and the honorable thing to do was to marry her. He was acting just like his father. DONT COMMENT WHEN YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

    • @sparingpickle4918
      @sparingpickle4918 Před rokem

      What? He married her out of honor not out of love. He barley knew the girl but took her virginity so he felt it was his duty and the honorable thing to do was to marry her. He was acting just like his father. DONT COMMENT WHEN YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

    • @Boobalopbop
      @Boobalopbop Před rokem +2

      @@economicerudite4924 I don’t think he had a choice in what he did to Lord Karstark. But marrying that random pretty lady when he is betrothed to the Frey girl… I mean, what did he expect?

    • @witchymary5246
      @witchymary5246 Před rokem +13

      @@sparingpickle4918 that was in the books but this Video is only talking about the Show...

  • @Princess_Weekes
    @Princess_Weekes Před rokem +193

    I enjoyed this video! Although I will say Dany does take her advisors advice but their advice is bad xD. Especially because ultimately if she had just used the dragons at king’s landing first she would have been able to take the city very easily. The idea that she couldn’t without massive casualties only relied on the people of Kings Landing rallying behind Cersei … which they have zero reason to do.

    • @kingdaymon6433
      @kingdaymon6433 Před rokem +8

      Shes the daughter of a lunatic, has 3 nuclear weapons, has an army of savage horse lords and slaves, has burned a well-respected noble and his son alive, and she hasn't lived in Westeros since she was a baby. I think there are plenty of reasons people would take Cersei over Dany

    • @dhritidutta6231
      @dhritidutta6231 Před rokem

      @@kingdaymon6433 No, people will accept ANYONE, other than tyrannical cersei..

    • @kingdaymon6433
      @kingdaymon6433 Před rokem

      @@dhritidutta6231 but we literally saw in the show that the people of kings landing chose Cersei and saw the mad queen as a foreign invader

    • @judeconnor-macintyre9874
      @judeconnor-macintyre9874 Před rokem +7

      @@kingdaymon6433 But Cersei blew up the sept, surely the loyal followers of the Seven would side with Dany over her.

  • @darkmaster539
    @darkmaster539 Před rokem +70

    Clarke's acting in season 2 was direction. After season 8 they did a massive interview with her where she said she had direction to act "cold" when she thought it was weird, and a lot of other issues. It was a terrible attempt at setting up the made queen, that they knew was coming (The actor didn't). Following the books she has like 4 chapters, so they kind of just made shit up.
    Season 1 is really tight because it follows a book that was supposed to be one of three. After that GRRM decided to write far more then 3, and it feels when reading the books as much as when watching the show. For all the problems the show has, when it had books to follow it followed them really well.

    • @Salman-ok6dj
      @Salman-ok6dj Před rokem +9

      Don’t really agree with that last part considering they didn’t adapt 70% of books 4 and 5. Also ditching characters like Jayne pool and lady stoneheart, and cutting jaimes confession about Tysha created ripple effects that damaged several plotlines and character arcs.
      They adapted the first three books pretty well, and then kinda just said fuck it and dis their own thing

    • @DJSockmonkeyMusic
      @DJSockmonkeyMusic Před 4 měsíci

      Honestly, the Danerys stuff is my least favourite part of Asoiaf.

  • @socialistbatman1211
    @socialistbatman1211 Před rokem +119

    Never had an issue with Emilia Clarke’s acting. Never considered any acting to be bad unless it was so over the top or in a way I can’t expect anyone to ever be. Not everyone is nuanced or has a cryptic way about them. Some people are just straight forward and are completely able to be straightforward regardless of what their situation is.

    • @american1207
      @american1207 Před rokem +4

      Like Harington I think she failed when it came to the emotional scenes. Emilia can actually fake cry tho so maybe it was the directors telling her not to but idk why they would do that.

    • @user-lu4xp7iv8c
      @user-lu4xp7iv8c Před rokem +19

      Honestly him saying this is one of the many reason this video is just…annoying

    • @braxxian
      @braxxian Před rokem +9

      Agreed, I thought was fine. Also keep in mind in season 2 she was still recovering from a serious illness between seasons. She was a trooper in season 2 considering.

    • @juliohinojosa6923
      @juliohinojosa6923 Před 11 měsíci +1

      She was good, I myself never noticed any bad acting on her part.

    • @raymondsims7042
      @raymondsims7042 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@juliohinojosa6923yeah I think the lad in the video is saying she’s “bad” at acting compared to the rest of the cast. I don’t actually agree with that but I can see what I think he’s saying. Like she’s not as great theon, tyrion, Cersei, Jamie, tywin, Joffrey , olenna etc… actors/actresses are. But to me her and kit Harrington and about on the same level acting wise. Not great but definitely not bad

  • @angelibaygan9795
    @angelibaygan9795 Před rokem +94

    1:40:52 why would she be disgusted tho? Her parents and grandparents were literal full-blooded siblings😅 Didn’t she expect to be married to Viserys before she was sold to Khal Drogo? But loved your video. Loved every minute!

  • @eurasianlynx5188
    @eurasianlynx5188 Před rokem +40

    7:59 So I just started watching this show for the first time a couple months ago, and now that I've finished it, I've started making the rounds on GOT youtube content, lol.
    I came into the show completely unspoiled, and I specifically loved Ned in season 1 because of his dedication to honor. Even though it's a big fantasy trope, the "steadfast, badass noble lord who cares about those under his protection" is a completely unique character in GOT, and it very clearly made him the good guy. We didn't have to know he would die to want him to succeed.

  • @Sophnar0747
    @Sophnar0747 Před rokem +99

    2 hours of Slipmaker is still not enough! We demand more.

  • @nevaehaho61
    @nevaehaho61 Před 8 měsíci +15

    Oberyn: We don’t kill little girls in Dorne
    Ellaria: Y’all hear sumn?

    • @liliesaregoodfortheliver2954
      @liliesaregoodfortheliver2954 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I mean, ffs, she has daughters. Doesn't she realize how hell-bent Cersei will be on revenge for killing Myrcella?

    • @MorganVsTheInternet
      @MorganVsTheInternet Před měsícem

      ⁠@@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954 They did my girl dirty! Ellaria tries to talk Oberyn’s oldest daughters out of seeking revenge in the books!

  • @Mr_Vigors066
    @Mr_Vigors066 Před rokem +18

    Robb Stark was infact one of my favorite characters among Tywin, Oberyn Martell, Ned Stark,Jon Snow, The Hound, and Jamie, I enjoyed watching his tragic downfall and really connected with his story and thank you for apologizing lmao.

  • @MrDj232
    @MrDj232 Před rokem +63

    You seem to have missed a major part of season 1's draw. Ned's story arc is a STORY arc. In most stories the badass good guy is going to triumph despite impossible odds precisely because he's the good guy. Killing him off in the first season was a huge shock to everyone used to the trope. That was the moment that cemented Game of Thrones as a unique story where no character is safe.

    • @razorreacts1723
      @razorreacts1723 Před rokem +10

      He misses beyond to much to be taken seriously also his comprehension of character motives in why they do what they do went over his head putting in question his credibility to even be able to critique this show

    • @MyValentine91
      @MyValentine91 Před rokem +7

      He seems to have missed much more than that.

    • @raymondsims7042
      @raymondsims7042 Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@razorreacts1723yeah the lad in the video doesn’t get it at all. Game of thrones took tv by storm killing Ned stark off like that. I’ve never seen something so shocking and well executed like that in tv before. But this lad just brushed past it. I don’t like this review

    • @NephritduGrey
      @NephritduGrey Před 7 měsíci +1

      To be fair he was played by the walking spoiler of an untimely death and him surviving till the end would have been a shocker.

    • @MrDj232
      @MrDj232 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@NephritduGrey I'd just call that good casting. No matter what happened we'd be surprised as long as Ned didn't turn into some doomed mentor for John.

  • @atinity6749
    @atinity6749 Před rokem +51

    It's weird how good first seasons are, even the original content written by D&D. After watching the last seasons, you'd think they're too stupid to string two sentences together.
    I guess they were so nervous and afraid at the beginning, because they were beginner film makers, so they leaned heavily in Martin's work and really took care of the world building.
    I don't know what happened during season 4-5. Maybe their egos just got a huge boost and they thought they could do no wrong, maybe Dunning-Krueger effect kicked in full force, maybe they just stopped caring, I don't know... But never have I ever seen such drop in quality in any other tv-show.

    • @FLIGHT.1
      @FLIGHT.1 Před rokem

      The Simpsons season 9
      Twin Peaks season 2 (post Laura)
      ..also come to mind as other legacy examples of instantaneous quality drop off.

    • @jonathancarranza6046
      @jonathancarranza6046 Před 11 měsíci +2

      It was their egos

    • @raymondsims7042
      @raymondsims7042 Před 10 měsíci

      @@FLIGHT.1oh yeah twin peaks is really really bad in season 2 and the return is even worse than anything I’ve ever seen

    • @FLIGHT.1
      @FLIGHT.1 Před 10 měsíci

      @@raymondsims7042 I was actually planning on rewatching it at some point in the near future.
      I didn’t have a clue what it was trying to get across if anything the first time, was vibey though.

    • @raymondsims7042
      @raymondsims7042 Před 10 měsíci

      @@FLIGHT.1 😂😂trust me man it has no point and is getting nothing across. I’ve never seen anything as bad and weird as that. Good luck sitting through a rewatch man the return was 18 episodes of just weirdness.

  • @WillRock07
    @WillRock07 Před rokem +29

    So in the scripts for the massacre at kings landing, Dany was supposed to do exactly what Slip Maker suggested he thought she'd do in the video - start massacring lannister soldiers while making her way towards Cersei.
    Certainly not exactly moral, but not stone cold evil either. However, the dragonfire set off the wildfire that the mad king had placed around the city, and that is what causes the thousands of deaths.
    Not only is this more in line with what we already know about Dany as a character, but it makes her death that much more tragic when you consider that Jon may have killed her when it became apparent to him she felt no remorse despite the deaths that she caused - accidentally, but still. It adds some moral greyness that was absolutely needed.
    The worst thing though? I read somewhere that David and Dan changed the massacre in post production. Emilia Clarke believed that up until the premiere screening of the episode, what was in the script was what was going to happen on screen. That's why we don't see Emilia Clarke herself after the massacre begins - because it was an edited CGI fest that wasn't in line with what Dany was supposed to be actually doing. It would have been interesting to see her reaction to the wildfire blowing up the city, and I reckon that's what they filmed, and it'll be on the cutting room floor somewhere. Honestly, the embarrassment and disappointment she must have felt when she saw it for the first time must have been overwhelming. Poor Emilia. Deserved so much better.

  • @NotAGoodUsername360
    @NotAGoodUsername360 Před rokem +9

    Can I just say I absolutely LOVE how the murder of Jeoffrey is shot as a murder mystery, with a smorgasbord of suspects with tons of motive appearing to establish alibis and presences, the murder weapon of the chalice getting drank from and poured out numerous times and left unattended multiple times to clearly establish when the cup was poisoned, a great big distraction for not only the victim and witnesses but *the audience themselves* to give the murderer their opportunity, and of course the subtle detail about Sansa's necklace vanishing which could easily be overlooked as continuity error, but is in fact the solution to the murder and the definitive evidence.
    Even though the murder is never properly investigated and ultimately the killer just has to confess to the audience, it is entirely possible to solve it with nothing but the footage from the episode.

  • @roxans557
    @roxans557 Před rokem +61

    I thought at first that the Night King could only raise those he/his wights have killed. When the dead in the crypts started to rise I was so confused. Like, "then why would they have them hide down here?". I assumed maybe they thought the same thing 🤷🏿‍♀️

    • @american1207
      @american1207 Před rokem +23

      I thought they'd come alive but I didn't think they'd break out. They're in stone crypts, how the heck are they punching their way thru yet they can't kill Sam when they're on top of him? They don't even have any muscle left on their bodies, they're all bones so where does their freakish strength even come from?

  • @Aemond2024
    @Aemond2024 Před rokem +18

    Joffrey definitely wouldve dealt with that sparrow shit quick, lol

    • @zoeb3573
      @zoeb3573 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I spent the first few seasons wishing for him to die already and then when he finally got killed I wished he was still there to deal with all that bullshit, because unlike his brother he would have NEVER let that shit slide. Even if he doesn't genuinely care for Margaery, he wouldn't let them just steal his queen without his permission, he wouldn't let them take power in the city over him, he wouldn't let his mother do whatever she wanted... Margaery also would have an easier job convincing him to help her free her brother than Tommen because Tommen was still too young and innocent and focused on mama.

  • @dab316TV
    @dab316TV Před rokem +14

    Telling me they ADR'd the pilot makes so much sense. I always thought Arya saying, "It's the queen's twin brother, Jamie Lanister" felt so awkward

  • @renaigh
    @renaigh Před rokem +21

    Ned; the Hero who explains his whole plan to the Villain.

    • @jraelien5798
      @jraelien5798 Před rokem

      Didn't happen. He gave Cersei a choice. He thought he was being magnanimous. He thought he had more power than he did.

  • @robbiesuriano5559
    @robbiesuriano5559 Před rokem +338

    Typical anti Stannis propaganda, he made absolutely no mistakes or even unethical moves.

    • @gabrieldarce1991
      @gabrieldarce1991 Před rokem +85

      The king who cared, the only one who bothered to turn up to help the Wall and the Night's Watch

    • @citiesskylinesmetropolitan8980
      @citiesskylinesmetropolitan8980 Před rokem +63

      The one who burned his daughter at the stake?

    • @gabrieldarce1991
      @gabrieldarce1991 Před rokem +28

      ​@@citiesskylinesmetropolitan8980 "There will be no more burnings, pray harder"

    • @jacobc7562
      @jacobc7562 Před rokem +35

      @@gabrieldarce1991 him saying not to stake people anymore doesn’t undo the burning of his child LOL

    • @KaijuTurtle
      @KaijuTurtle Před rokem +14

      STANNIS THE MANNIS

  • @Frogface91
    @Frogface91 Před rokem +38

    Robb wasn't my favourite character, but I liked and supported him much more in the books. In the books I strongly felt he deserved to win his battle and that he was wise and just, the show made his decisions seem more foolish and reduced the tragedy of his death.

  • @nunnaurbiznez8815
    @nunnaurbiznez8815 Před rokem +22

    Emelia Clark seems like such a sweet and genuine person. I hope she is able to stay healthy and do all she intends with her life. Her candid interviews really show her to be super relatable and thankful for her life.

  • @landon3573
    @landon3573 Před rokem +18

    39:29 The Queen of Thorns is Marjorie's grandmother, not her mother. We know that because she calls her "Grandmother" multiple times, and we know that Marjorie's father is the son of Elena Tyrell.

  • @zeropointsincharisma
    @zeropointsincharisma Před rokem +42

    Ned was going for a strength build, always put a couple of points into luck and perception 😂

  • @iamsheel
    @iamsheel Před rokem +49

    I rewatched the show and it so SO satisfying to just end it with season 6

  • @alanmike6883
    @alanmike6883 Před rokem +4

    Slip maker
    We can all agree Charles dance was awesome 😊

  • @thelateescapist8266
    @thelateescapist8266 Před 10 měsíci +6

    My favorite part of this retrospective is when Slip Maker points out how small westeros felt in the latter seasons due to no new characters being introduced to replace all the major characters who were killed off, because it highlights what all the great characters who were left out of the show could have provided had they been included. Had the Wall, Iron Born, and Dorne storylines not been gutted of supporting characters and attendant subplots they could have been just as compelling as anything that happened in Kingslanding. As they were in the books.

  • @RecommendedPlaying
    @RecommendedPlaying Před rokem +22

    "A song of ice and fire wasn't finished". Oh dear sweet slip, I think you mean "isn't and will never be finished"

    • @RaptorJesus
      @RaptorJesus Před rokem +4

      Much like The Wheel of Time, it will eventually in fact start to go *backwards.*

  • @philippeh3904
    @philippeh3904 Před rokem +80

    A nearly 2 hour retrospective from one of my favourite channels just before a long weekend of doing nothing but University work? Don’t mind if I do

  • @ImmortalGaming26
    @ImmortalGaming26 Před rokem +13

    It would have been amazing if we had Tyrion in the final season finally hear the truth about Tysha and learns that Cersei let his child work in a brothel instead of telling him. This would have definitely been a point that could have easily made Tyrion push Dany into burning Kings Landing.

    • @jankasolis61
      @jankasolis61 Před rokem

      Yeah. Literally that would have make more sense...

  • @tidepride86
    @tidepride86 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Season 1 was the closest thing to perfection. Not a single wasted scene and the dialogue was just incredible

  • @saturnash
    @saturnash Před rokem +40

    The Dean's "no that was a good cover" made me choke laugh at work, absolutely perfect lmao

  • @Chocolatepain
    @Chocolatepain Před rokem +56

    I never though Emilia was particularly bad. But anyway I love the long retrospectives you make! Great sarcastic sounding voice lol.

    • @emilybarclay8831
      @emilybarclay8831 Před rokem

      Given she survived two brain aneurysms around the time of S2 that by all rights should have killed her, her ability to even walk let alone act is pretty damn amazing

    • @XoldnewsX
      @XoldnewsX Před rokem +2

      She had some seriously cringe inducing scenes because of how poor her acting was at times. I think most people seriously over rate her acting in the series

    • @emilybarclay8831
      @emilybarclay8831 Před rokem +16

      @@XoldnewsX that may have been the two brain aneurysm that nearly killed her in 2011

    • @woahblackbetty7691
      @woahblackbetty7691 Před rokem

      @@emilybarclay8831 Isnt the audience the real victim?

  • @aphexdruqks7751
    @aphexdruqks7751 Před 3 měsíci +2

    "EVERYYYYYYOOOOONE!!!". I lost my shit... The simple and subtle ways you hilariously support your narration makes me a fan of your work. So glad I stumble upon your channel.

  • @DR.slzzzp
    @DR.slzzzp Před rokem +9

    the speech she gives at the beginning is really a top 10 moment in the show its so underrated. the amount of suspense she built & questions we almost were scared to get answers of….. if only they didnt ruin the WW’s

  • @garyfeuer1071
    @garyfeuer1071 Před rokem +24

    One of those things I never hear anyone point out. At the 49.41 mark, Bron says "when have you risked your life for me" Tyrion did - when they were walking thru the Veil and shagger and his crew have them surrounded, Shagger says "keep the imp, kill the other" Tyrion steps up and saved Bron right there. Anyway, great job on this retrospective, I don't agree with all the points but it's a heavy load to lift to break this show down and you did one hell of a remarkable Job!

    • @knightr0685
      @knightr0685 Před rokem

      Fax

    • @briana8088
      @briana8088 Před rokem +1

      Tyrion didn't risk his life though. He was just talking.

    • @garyfeuer1071
      @garyfeuer1071 Před rokem

      @@briana8088 watch it again, your splitting hairs in regards to "risking his life" and "saving Bron's Life"

    • @briana8088
      @briana8088 Před rokem +2

      @@garyfeuer1071 I watched it again recently. Tyrion didn't risk his life for him.

    • @garyfeuer1071
      @garyfeuer1071 Před rokem

      @@briana8088 okay, so how is Bron still alive

  • @mtndewvoltage6694
    @mtndewvoltage6694 Před rokem +18

    Can’t wait to have this on in my head phones on repeat for days these videos never fail to amaze me

  • @Boobalopbop
    @Boobalopbop Před rokem +13

    I was actually OK with not seeing the battle in season 1. Since we didn’t expect high budget battle spectacles at the time. It felt fine… Like good old fashioned storytelling.

  • @stevennguyen4309
    @stevennguyen4309 Před rokem +56

    The rape scene with Jaimie and Cersei was confirmed by the director that it was unintentional and a mistake of cinematography. The scene in the books and confirmed by the directors is that it was consensual

    • @spiraljumper74
      @spiraljumper74 Před rokem +20

      I’ve seen the interview where they say they thought they were just filming a sex scene and honestly I don’t think there’s anything that could be more indicting to D&D than that statement. Like, that’s fucking disgusting. It literally makes me question their own conduct in their personal lives.

    • @raymondsims7042
      @raymondsims7042 Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@spiraljumper74oh be quiet 😂😂what are you talking about? It’s freaking game of thrones man stuff like that happens. George rr Martin has written scenes just as disgusting. But writing scenes for a dark and disgusting world has nothing to do with how the writes are at home. That doesn’t even make sense

    • @meow-sr2bl
      @meow-sr2bl Před 3 měsíci

      @@raymondsims7042haha yeah man murdering and rping infants just happens like often so that makes it okay 😂

  • @ericcrittenden2166
    @ericcrittenden2166 Před rokem +50

    Say what you want, but STILL some of the best TV ever made. Practically every episode in season 2 and 3 are iconic. Every scene shot is masterful, loaded with near perfect casting, dialogue, and acting. I could watch season 1-4 and maybe even 5 over and over again. Yes they totally fucked up the ending but don't discount the attention to detail in the majority of the series.

    • @alt0799
      @alt0799 Před rokem +12

      Shame it went out the way it did. But House of Dragon really feels like a return to form!

    • @Nino-zg4ux
      @Nino-zg4ux Před rokem

      Absolutely

    • @nostalgiatrip7331
      @nostalgiatrip7331 Před rokem +1

      @@alt0799 don't say that so soon, it's only season one.

    • @lewisthorpe9818
      @lewisthorpe9818 Před rokem +2

      Agree with most of what you’ve said but there’s a few characters I think they got seriously wrong in both casting and writing. The main one for me is Cersei, in the books one of her absolute key character traits is that every man wants her and she uses that sex appeal to manipulate them. I don’t think she does this once in the series and I’m not sure Lena Headey was the right cast for that personality type. She did fantastic with what she was given though.
      Other more minor characters who were seriously miscast were Mance, Renly/Loras (Renly in particular is butchered in the show), Mace Tyrell (who is a bumbling idiot rather than a proud and prickly lord) and Jorah (who they make farrrrr more likeable in the show.

    • @raymondsims7042
      @raymondsims7042 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@lewisthorpe9818you’re nitpicking mate. Who cares if Cersei was different in the show , she put on one of the best performances in tv history 🤷‍♂️ and no question about that she was phenomenal and gave the character more depth in my opinion. Also Jorah not being a pervert even though he still kind of was is fine with me.

  • @siechamontillado
    @siechamontillado Před rokem +22

    This makes me just want the Better Call Saul retrospective that much more. Especially when you compare how GoT follows most shows arcs: worse over time, not better - BCS just got better with each season, never dropped the ball.

    • @papafrenchie6088
      @papafrenchie6088 Před rokem +4

      Making a show have a really good ending is hard enough but the fact that the creators of BB stuck the landing twice with BCS is something else.

    • @brandonkinter494
      @brandonkinter494 Před rokem

      @Wash my soul with words what makes you feel that way? curious

  • @Rabidpygmy
    @Rabidpygmy Před rokem +6

    I think your dig on Amelia Clark’s acting for season 2,3,4 can be explained easily by the fact that she had surgery after season one on a brain bleed, but needed 2 more. She had massive migraines and was extremely sick during those seasons. I think she did her best… and when she finally recovered her acting stepped up radically.

  • @LalinDissanayaka
    @LalinDissanayaka Před rokem +6

    Thank you for making this, it was a lovely walk down memory lane, When GOT first came out I was a senior at university and now I'm turning 32 on Saturday.

  • @BubblegumCrash332
    @BubblegumCrash332 Před rokem +4

    I will have my popcorn ready. This is perfect for a late Friday night watch. Thank you

  • @adamdippel7982
    @adamdippel7982 Před rokem +5

    The references you make are fantastic. casually dropping paramore lines. "Once a whore you're nothing more, i'm sorry that'll never change."

  • @GamingWins
    @GamingWins Před rokem +5

    Always looked at the lack of battles early on as very deliberate, as it was the dialogue and politics that were the heart of the story. I remember being impressed by the restraint D&D had- before maybe beliveing it was all just budget concerns. It's like they knew their story had to impress because they couldn't rely on action... my how the turn tables. GREAT video btw! Been binging your retrospectives.

  • @cazadorcrazy9194
    @cazadorcrazy9194 Před rokem +4

    Fantastic video! Loved how you came up with an entire seventh and eight season which were noticeably worse to highlight the earlier seasons' virtues.

  • @Flipitmixit
    @Flipitmixit Před rokem +49

    Def shouldve done a nightking season and a cersei season, great point. Writers were tripping

    • @indoorplant2392
      @indoorplant2392 Před rokem

      Nah then what to do with Cercei in s7?

    • @alt0799
      @alt0799 Před rokem +4

      They weren't tripping they just wanted that sweet Star Wars money.

    • @Flipitmixit
      @Flipitmixit Před rokem

      @@indoorplant2392 nothing

    • @mijanhoque1740
      @mijanhoque1740 Před 11 měsíci

      Season 7 should have been 10 episodes and the Dany vs Cersi war. Season 8 should have all been the White Walkers and Jon vs Night King

  • @mathatter9158
    @mathatter9158 Před rokem +17

    The one really great thing to come out of the horrific tailspin this once great show went through is that both of those morons in charge lost their chances to make a Star Wars movie. Trying to rush GOT to the finish line was such a slap in the face to any fan of the show.

  • @78910idontknow
    @78910idontknow Před rokem +7

    1:08:11 the best line "give him two" is absolutely hilarious.

  • @mylittlethoughttree
    @mylittlethoughttree Před rokem +6

    I'm not sure why the Rachet and Clank 2 Megacorp soundtrack plays in the background of this but, for the sheer nostaglia, and for the bizarre sense of pride I felt at immediately knowing a song from a game I haven't played in 15, years I very, very much appreciate it

    • @fleksmusic5615
      @fleksmusic5615 Před 6 měsíci

      That is really cool i noticed it aswell xD

  • @tiberseptim8434
    @tiberseptim8434 Před rokem +13

    This is excellently written and edited, you definitely deserve more subs ❤️

  • @oliviawilliams6204
    @oliviawilliams6204 Před rokem +21

    I will say in the books Tyrion tenure as Hand of the King is far less him being 12 steps ahead, as him barely being more skillful than Ned. He manages to get over the more incompetent players that are Cersei and Pycell, mostly by doing so alienating potential allies, Cersei being his sister and Pycell a Lannister lackey. His attempt at Justice just see him removing Littlefinger pawn to have him replacing him with Varys pawn, and Varys and Littlefinger running circles around him while Tyrion is too busy self congratulating. For example when Tyrion do his letters plot to find the traitor who give information to Cersei Varys outright tell Tyrion he know exactly what he’s doing yet Tyrion still think he played him for some reasons, and for it he end up having to reward with an absurdly large Lordship to Littlefinger for what was overall relatively minor actions. And he’s still very much a villain. He knows he work for the bad side but doesn’t care, he doesn’t have any regrets for the war crimes his side his committing, etc.

    • @judeconnor-macintyre9874
      @judeconnor-macintyre9874 Před rokem +5

      Yeah, I don't think the writers got Tyrion, he was a villain (and that's coming from GRRM)
      In the books they're setting Tyrion up as the devil on Dany's shoulder, he's plotting to bring fire and blood to Westeros and his only want in life is to kill Cersei and Jaime.

  • @patternwhisperer4048
    @patternwhisperer4048 Před rokem +2

    Idk what it is about your jokes but they always crack me up. They feel forced yet they naturally flow into the narration.

  • @lee-daniels
    @lee-daniels Před 6 měsíci +2

    From best show in TV history to most reviled. Nice job D&D.

  • @jensemann6475
    @jensemann6475 Před rokem +4

    Always a good day when Slip Maker drops another video

  • @lofix7362
    @lofix7362 Před rokem +7

    Dude please never stop making retrospectives they are seriously so fuckin good!!!

  • @BoiseIdaho83716
    @BoiseIdaho83716 Před rokem +1

    Wow, thank you so much for all of your hard work! That was quite enjoyable and cathartic.

  • @PinkPatriot
    @PinkPatriot Před rokem +72

    We stan Emilia Clark bc she has 2 brain aneurisms between 2 different seasons and still came back to slay Queen Daenerys. There are very few episodes where her acting is ehh even after all that going on in her personal life.

    • @AbdulRahman-vy7ko
      @AbdulRahman-vy7ko Před 11 měsíci

      Exactly I personally feel like she did an amazing job

  • @caseyhart4999
    @caseyhart4999 Před rokem +15

    I didn’t think anything could leave me feeling as empty as dexter season 8 did. Then Arya killed the Night King.

  • @ChromaticShado
    @ChromaticShado Před rokem +5

    This video was already good enough as it is, but the fact that you also used a lot of Super Paper Mario music is such a W bro, good job man.

  • @Jombo1
    @Jombo1 Před 4 měsíci

    Thanks for this. I keep needing to remind myself how absolutely fantastic those first 4 seasons are.

  • @obombomattatetrahondamog1461
    @obombomattatetrahondamog1461 Před 5 měsíci +2

    'Seven Kingdoms Daenarys. Seven!! Thats insane' - Tyrion season 8

  • @thephantom8342
    @thephantom8342 Před rokem +13

    The show does exsplain why Danny burned the witch. Death gives life so her death gave life to the dragons. The show did it justice but yes, they could've explained it more with a few more lines from danny in the show. The books explain it.
    Also we hear about danny and her dragons in Westeros from season 1 to season 7,they always mention that. King's landing always knows in the show. It always feel like the same place,not the moon lol

  • @jvonhousen3055
    @jvonhousen3055 Před rokem +4

    Season 8 Tywin Lannister...
    "You know...I never really cared about the House of Lannister."

  • @codyallen43
    @codyallen43 Před rokem +2

    Slip Maker is to TV what Mandalore Gaming is to video games, and I love it.

  • @Gloria10828
    @Gloria10828 Před rokem +1

    Thanks so much for this . Enjoyed it way more than the final seasons . 😊 seriously though excellent work !