King Song S20 vs Begode Hero: The Best Suspension EUC Right Now
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- What's the BEST SUSPENSION EUC you can buy? The Begode Hero vs the Kingsong S20, battle for the best next generation suspension EUC.
Reviews on the Begode Hero: eucguide.com/begode-hero-elec...
eucguide.com/the-begode-hero-...
Reviews on the King Song S20: eucguide.com/king-song-s20-el...
Begode Hero pricing and availability: bit.ly/3KDDoQB
King Song S20 pricing and availability: bit.ly/3JIpyfv
Kingsong S20 fire video by @OWGAC • KING SONG S20 FIRE!
Safety gear Andrew and I wear: bit.ly/2UMQmr6
My EUC blog: www.eucguide.com
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Enjoyed the video. FYI - all the Gotway wheels have the "jelly mode" in the wheels that have the lift button.
I think you shortchanged the Hero light - it brightens substantially when the wheel is moving. But it still is pointed at the ground which isn't great. S20 is best here for sure.
There is a grub screw at the bottom of the pedal hanger on the Hero. You tighten it to make the pedals as stiff as you want. I also didn't know about it at first.
Overall, I agree with your assessment. Great video.
Thanks Marty, means a lot coming from you. I guess I never noticed the jelly mode on the other wheels. You are correct about the light getting brighter when moving… I’ll have to update on a future video. Thanks for the info about the grub screw! I’ll check it out.
One of the worst things about a Gotway is the complete lack of instructions.... They will spend significant time to develop nice features that are not obvious and then not even tell you that they exist. Even King Song did it with the S20... It has adjustable suspension geometry and they never mentioned it to anyone
@@YourAubsome +100
“EUC in the hand worth more than an Eagle in a burning bush” So much to process here, but no lies detected. Thanks for the video Jimmy! Begode’s suspension family of wheels starting strong with the Hero, and the Master and EX20s coming up soon. (George in Boston and Ray Rokni coming out with videos stateside for the EX20s) Crazy that all of these wheels may be out before the S20 is released. Keep up the videos!
You bet! Looking forward to seeing more great content!
Thanks Jimmy and Andrew! I am waiting for the Master. I was able to try a suspension and pad upgraded Hero and it is a very solid urban suspension wheel. It really eats city bumps well at 40MPH. I also like the S20 but I agree with what U-Stride thinks went wrong. It definitely sounded like a capacitor popping before the S20 cut-out and caught on fire. I hope Kingsong can fix it quickly and restore confidence because I would like to see production S20s compete.
I watched 4 different videos on the euc exploding and not once did I hear a pop loud enough to show up in the video the pop was so insignificant in the video how did you hear that
@@justsomebody9985 Definitely possible. I just hope KS can get to the root cause and fix it. I want to see the S20 and all PEVs succeed.
Went and watched Hsiang's bonfire video after seeing a piece here. Begode is no longer alone in the (burning) doghouse. Very scary. Even my V-12, off for pre-emotive new boards, now feels a little suspect. For now, I'd let neither of these wheels into my home. Good and fair of you to share the S20 fire footage.
When you ride a kingsong bring a fire extinguisher
Hi Jimmy. Thanks for the review. I go for the Begode Hero.
great video Jimmy. I'm Happy with my hero. don't have to wait for the rides 👍🏽🖖🏾🤙🏾
“Eagle in a burning bush” that pun is PURE GOLD
Great video! Seemed like a fair comparison with good points on both sides.
Re: lights …. not to say they don’t matter but it’ll always be safest to have additional lighting on your body etc so I’d probably still feel safe at night with the Hero
I love this content and thanks for sharing hoping soon I gonna buy this begode hero
The S20 pedals can be adjusted and be placed in front. The friction on the pedals won't last.
S20 suspension arm can be adjusted. You can adjust the travel.
While seated on the Hero it's very easy to accidentally hit the trolly button. A friend with the Hero told me.
Cool video but I wouldn't store that S20 inside your garage or home.
It was a great wheel for us, but we had to send her back to REVrides so we no longer have the S20.
So I read the Ks statement that they are going to look into the Eagle Fire… do we know yet if that means they are delaying the production release time? Or is that just a potential situation?
They still have till around may there are supposed to come to the states right? So if they figure out what’s happening in the next week and it’s a easy fix, I don’t see this delaying anything yet … unless it does lol
This wheel is fire 🔥😁
deep
Can I ask you a question I just got to Sherman Maxx and there is no beeping function even when I turn on the machine is there a way to turn on that feature
Hello
Great video I would like to hear your recommend for scooter one wheel drive to use it for work as delivering?
Hi Jimmy, great video on the Hero again! I agree with that wise dude Mike about a bird in the hand and I love the way you ended the video with that reference mixed in with the new s20 explosion. I just want to add two things. Regarding the seat, from what I've seen another videos, the rear of the s20 seat is not supported, it just is floppy and hangs off the back meaning that you have to sit forward for it to work and when you do that, it appears to be rather uncomfortable and you end up covering up the screen. So I would urge a reconsideration and recount of that point. In addition, the explosion videos mentioned that the metal casing of the batteries helped the fire and explosion progress. I don't know how true that is, but it kind of made sense. I've got to say, with all the torque and power of the Hero I love it more more each day that I ride it.
that Mike dude is a wise guy, for sure! Appreciate the insight from a Hero Pro rider!
@@freshlycharged lol, I had an EXN HT right before the Hero and it id the same motor in the Hero and it just feels powerful plus the suspension is great for my back.
My s18 has that same "jelly mode" your describing. It feels like it's trying to lock the rotor with just 1 phase. I think it's to keep it from rolling away easily.
Jimmy, are you going to test the S20 like U-Stride? Have Euc World running and save the data.
I'd say that the v12 has the best screen. The s18 also had the "jelly" mode where the motor is partially engaged.
Which one won’t catch on fire or cut out? I will take it.
excuse me but, which city is this?
(pretty bicycle/wheelchair friendly that all the sidewalks are leveled at crossings as I see)
Good comparison review. Although, Even Begode pronounces their company as (BeGoad) and not (BeGodey). I honestly don't know where people get the extra 'e' or 'a', but it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine to hear someone mispronounce their name after more than a year of the name change.
Funny how OneWheel has the issues they are facing and now KingSong has a different set of problems.
The hero light sucks but they do go brighter when you're going.
You can lift the the hero with 2 points under the suspension and under the front light like a Sherman. Much better.
The pedals are floppy but you can tighten the bottom grub screw but they do losen up over time.
Please, Jimmy... what brand / style jacket is that ?
It looks highly reflective.
( I read all your replies & searched the name on jacket. But ,no luck)
If I activate lift switch on my good old Begode Tesla T3, it has exactly the same jelly effect. It is very nice and I think that it is the same for all Begode wheels :).
Had payed for the s20 when the fire happened, switched over to a hero. I like that this review came up with so many positive things about the Hero, no buyers remorse here👍
Is there a reason thread locker is avoided on these?
So with the s20 fire incident- suspect that will be delayed even further as you suggested. What are your thoughts on hero vs master?
Master is basically the successor of the Hero... there will be no reason for the Hero once the Master is out
Finally great video Hero Vs S20 So funny I got my Hero HS shipped last week after cancel my pre-order S20 a month ago. Now S20 in fire, I know i did right choice!!
Enjoy it
good comparison so far.did you mention the click you had in begode in your first review.dis you manage to get rid of it?
Yes… get a better pump and fill that suspension to over 200 psi.
I think its hilarious that Gotway copied KingSong's S18 handle for the Hero .... then KingSong copied Gotway's terrible handle design of the RS19 for the S20 😂. There is no doubt that the trolly handle was a low priority in the S20 design. The good news for me is that I rarely use the trolly handle.
I pick up my hero from the suspension and under the front light never use the handle it’s too heavy
Love the S20 Fenix's 130 mm travel real suspension.
"Real suspension" 😂
Did you have the latest firmware on the S20 when testing torque? Apparently it makes a huge difference in early torque (from Chooch).
Looks like the latest firmware burns out the control board and puts a dead short on the batteries on the way out
hopefully they will rename s20 phoenix that will born from it's ashes! i hope Kingsong get back strong! we need all factory we love rivalry pushing each other to make better! Good video guys👌🏻
The Hero is a final production model also right? So it's being compared with an early pre production wheel which is pretty good for KS imo.
I have faith they will recover and have or will fix the s20 problem.
I don't mind them renaming it the s22 either.
Heck. Gotway (Begode) changed their entire company name and even made a new one (Extreme Bull) after all their drama.
I would love to say something about this comparison but I will hold my tongue and wait and see which wheel sells more.
I didn't even consider Begode as a viable option in the past, but I have to admit, looking pretty can't be given more importance than being functional and reliable for an EUC. Although we have yet to see the Begode on a long range test afaik ...
time will tell!
Nice one , thanks guys.... btw Andrew is fit af... just satin’ ... hot stuff🤩
s20 vs begode master would be a more fair comparison.
Regarding the pads.... The S20 pads were obviously designed with style as the main goal and functionality followed behind that. Those crappy S20 pads are better than nothing, but they could have included some cheap pads that worked much better - but didn't look as cool. The S20 branding "Eagle" requires the fancy looking power pads and their boomerang holding device to look eagle-like(ish). King Song spent a lot of time on those pads and they almost certainly raise the price of every wheel by over $100 (retail). I wish they would offer a pad-less version for less money - it could even use a smaller box for cheaper shipping! The reality is the S20 pads are all about marketing, they want a device that looks really cool and will draw new people into EUCs... and that is a good thing, but I wish they could find a way to do it without increasing the product cost and shipping container size in order to give us some junk that is not functional and needs to be replaced to get the most out of our unicycle.
Did you guys forget to discuss the realistic range of the wheels?
Why are you guys still using manual pump?? Lol! Use electronic ones bros! There's so many in Amazon!
Yeah those are so good. I use the Xiaomi air pump. They’re very capable for a multitude of uses
awesome.. thanks mate ..
Glad it helped
use epoxy for the seat. never fails but you will also never get it off.. if you want something you can remove the construction adhesive is possible but still very had to remove
use JB weld for epoxy and for adhesive Lepage PL
i never sit but like having the padding there on my S22
The first point for the S20 should have actually two points: 1. Being able to switch out suspension parts. 2. Being able to adjust the suspension in the field. Kind of important if you're videos focusing on "the best suspension EUC", because IMO those are two very different aspects to the suspension systems.
The one wheel PEV's are so far advanced with their voltage, and take the most skill to ride. I see quite a few skilled riders here in SF CA. Thank you for this comparison video. Cheers.
Totally agree!
Was that exploding euc in nyc?
Interesting video concept :) yeah hero is the clear winner as its available!
Sometimes facts get lost in the hype
Cost????
Was the acceleration of the S20 fixed with the new firmware update? It sounds like it fixed the problem.
Maybe so but given the recent fire, I’m not updating until the firmware is proven.
@@freshlycharged That makes sense. Adam from Wrong Way went from disliking the S20, to enjoying it. An improvement in the acceleration was a major change. Have there been other fires, or just the one? It looked wild!!
From TIMES SQUARE NEW YORK CITY YOU GO GUYS LOVE & PEACE
Been watching videos on euc for three days, and they all look poorly make. Is there a premium brand?
you should get a street tire on the Hero, believe me....it will feel like a totally new wheel....
Hero is a no for me cause of disassembly, classic gotway shortcuts. One tire change and you might be out of a wheel.
We want to try this in Indonesia please give me info with special price to me.
Still think Inmotion V11 is the best suspension wheel.
Classic!
Now the Masters are hitting the streets, and the Eagle still hides in its smokey bush.
I’m guessing the master might have won a point or two that the S20 won in this comparison. It would be interesting to see this done again with the Master.
But we really do need to get our hands on a real production S22 to make real judgement ☹️
Careful it doesn't catch fire on you! Kingsong!
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Awesome review guys!
thanks!
The Hero gets -10 points for it's ridiculous price - not sure how you could miss that point. It's almost $1000 more for a smaller battery and a smaller motor.
All of the gotway wheels I've had have the jelly mode
Which ever one you choose. Get the fire sak. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.😏
And a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush
That plastic and mylar sack is not going to do anything, actually probably make it worse the handles on the back will be melted off before you could even get to it. The only thing is going to offer any protection is a steel box
Didn't know it was april 1st already, the Hero is a good joke
You use this tape it sticks very, (Fast Cap Laminate Tape..!)
Hi Jimmy love your videos but you are saying something that is not true on the seat of the hero.. is not functional at least until you put a layer of foam to all the surface be taller than the off of switch otherwise if you seat and you stand up the handle will open majority of the times hugs man and continue the good eork
Good point. Great work with your channel!
The ending!!! Omfg
Oh wow that s20 is a serious safety hazard that thing just burst into flames out of nowhere
A lot of devices with li-ion batteries have done this. It’s not really unique to this wheel. This happened with escooters a while ago.
Hell it’s even happened to teslas and it was all over the news and people were needlessly scared and would never buy a Tesla even though by now everyone knows if you had the money and valued your life you would buy what is the safest car in the world.
The fires are always so rare but everyone sees the one mistake and falsely extrapolates that every unit must be just as dangerous. I’m planning on eventually putting my wheel in an enclosure so if it does combust, the fire won’t spread. And that’s that, I’m not going to stress about it.
For god sake. KingSong have actually working suspension, so you need to multiply first point to 10, i think. S20 just better product in almost every way! I saw russian disassembly video about hero, and hero is utter mess. Suspension misaligned to the point where it can't work, friction pairs made of shitanium. All euc's would have a bit better build quality, but hero is just a bucket with screws and bolts, and holds together only with power of Chinese goo. If you want suspension wheel, it's better to stick with trusty *old* S18, it was improved, and now in usable state as opposite to hero.
Do you prefer EUC or Onewheel?
EUC
Nice unicycle for a sweet price.
18:00 WTF.. That is a bit of a problem.
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I just got into the whole euc thing and holy fuck I just ride a skateboard I’ve never seen anything like this in my entire life
The future is here.
Man, that beep is horrendous! I hope there's a way to mute that, I wouldn't want to park it anywhere for fear of disturbing everyone in a 50ft radius!
And when I film I'm constantly putting the wheel down for a sec to film one of the many PEVs that we review... the beep is so annoying!
Niiice..
The s20 is going to blow up
you seem to like the begody lol
the hero screen is easier to damage than the s20
My guess is that KS is going to come out with a LiFePo upgrade.
What remains to be seen is if they can afford to offer it as a fix without going out of business or how much we'll have to pay for it.
Maybe they planned all along to have the upgrade after watching the other EUC manufacturers' QC issues but didn't want to get lumped in with them; it would actually increase preorder demand if they say they're pushing back a month to swap the packs out to the safer ones instead of all the orders that would be killed if they just announced the issues and pushed the upgrade delay (where many would just cancel their preorders or demand that they get their EUC now with the original cells because "they're willing to assume the risk" which should be legal but it's not defensible if someone gets hurt).
That's pure speculation but there are plenty of scenarios, none of which is going to get me to change my preorders because if they don't fix the problems then the CPSC will get involved and nobody is going to be shipping anything into the US for a while. They let pretty much any bugs slide a long time (see: Lexus Unintended Acceleration) except FIRE.
Woah woah jimmy you just say 200 psi?
Yup
@@freshlycharged are a lot euc one wheels like this ? So they have.Extremely good suspension. ?
Imagine if there was just 2 segments. 1 point for begode for not having seat vs kingsong having crap seat. And kingsong for better suspension. So they're equal. 1-1. Unsubscribe.
Just ridiculous to compare hero and S20.
The hero it's égal to s18 no S20.
on the other hand the master is to compete with the s20
China is collecting data with those apps. Great video though
Simple
All euc batteries must be potted!!!!
And they want 3k😅
... in the bush.... lols