ZAN .177 Accuracy and Expansion Test
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2022
- THIS TEST IS PERFORMED WITH THE 600 MM STX SUPERIOR LINER. SO BEFORE THE HEAVY LINER CAME OUT!
THE ACCURACY OF THE 16 GR ZAN ARE VERY DIFFERENT IN THE HEAVY LINER.
This is a test of the .177 slugs from ZAN.
The two weights tested are the 13 and the 16 gr.
The slugs are tested at 3 different distances. 34m, 75m and 100m and after this they are tested against a bar of caly for an expansion test.
It is important for me to inform viewers that I am not affiliated ZAN Projectiles in any way so my review is honest and performed with the best of my knowledge of tuning for the best performance.
Later tests had shown the 16 gr slugs to perform very well in the Heavy liner, wich means that those are my prefered slugs today. See later videos on my channel for more info.
Best regards
Viking Airgunner
Brilliant video Peter - informative & enjoyable start to finish ! Can't wait for the H&N test ; this pellet brand has been my favourite for the last 20-30 years, until slugs made an appearance.
Thanks buddy 🙂
Im working on the video right now 😃
Imponerende 🤜🤛 igjen,du er en skikkelig bra skytter og god info
Thanks for your videos.
Again, a great video, very informative and accurate. Thank you.
Thanks buddy 🤗
Very timely video, Peter. I was just thinking about asking you to do this very test with Zan slugs! I too had similar results, but had my best groups with the 700 mm superior liner. I also had very good results with the 10 grains. Always look forward to your .177 videos! Take care.
Hi Felix
Interesting with similar results - I didnt consider the 10 gr since the KO's didnt really like the fx superior liner, but maybe it is worth a try.
I hope that the upcommin 700 mm slug liner will solve some issues like spread and accuracy with the slugs 🤞
Take care mate 🙂
You have been missed, Peter. Thanks for the video. It was really entertaining. Those 13 grainers are the winner.
Thank you Tom 🙂
Great video as usual. Never boring like some others
Thanks buddy 🙂
Great, entertaining and usefull video.
Hi beautiful video, you mounted the double bottle on the M3 I love it it's beautiful 👍😉✊
Thanks buddy 🙂
I can highly recommended it! Around 250 shots with KO'S at 980 fps 🤗
Thank you for sharing your knowledge Peter.
Funnily enough, a 13 grains slug also goes best around 296-298 m/s (980 FPS) in my 1:18" FX pellet liner. Unlike you Peter, I actually think the JSB KO in 13 grains shoots a bit more accurately than 13 grains ZAN slugs, especially at longer distances.
I share your disappointment with 16 grains of ZAN slugs. An FX pellet liner cannot stabilize them over longer distances. Can also whisper in your ear that it is even worse with 20 grains ZAN slugs.
We still need FX to step up and come up with a 'real' slugs liner in .177.
Thanks for the whisper buddy 😃
I know that there is a slug liner on the way so I will do the test again when it arrives 🤓
Hi, I like your Tests. Thank you , your video clip is very practical .
Thank you very much 🙂
I have a new video commin out in a couple of days so stay tuned 😎
Best regards
Peter P
Peter ,
While I’m bright eyed and bushy tailed this morning here is something that has improved my groups . You may be doing this already .
The FX Impact and for that matter any other manufacturer of adjustable swivel triggers with adjustable preloads and Foot pound adjustments . Lower the trigger almost down to the trigger guard after you have set your preload and pull and break you are happy with .
This allows your finger to rest on the guard as you pull through . It’s consistent and repeatable without thinking and it’s a matter of you squeezing the trigger with every shot . It works and has helped my groups .
Excellent video. Thanks brother 🎯👍
I have an Air Venturi Avenger 177cal that shoots Nielsen 12.5gr slugs fantastic at 880fps.
Thanks buddy 🤗
I think that I have to get an Avenger at some point. There a so many who has good experiences with it 😎
- ohh and the 12.5 Nielsens are amazing. I shot them at 985 fps in the standard STX liner. Maybe it is time to test them again 😃
Great video
WOW.
I'm impressed.
Well done.
Cheers 🍻
Thanks buddy 🙂
that is very impressive 👏 awesome shooting my friend thanks for sharing bsafe buddy 👍
Thanks mate 🤗
As always, great job;)
Thanks buddy 🤗
Peter,
Another great video. I also have a M3 177 and just received my shipment of Zan 10,13,16 and 20gr slugs. Ill be testing this weekend in both my M3 and my RTI Priest2. Always look forward to your vids! Very interested in your next vid with the H&N slugs. Stay safe!
Hey Edward
It seems like there is a great weekend in store for you 😎
I really hope that you will have better results with the 16 gr. And the others aswell 🙂
Best regards🙂
Can you letme know its you for the giveaway. Hadn't seen you post anything about it on youtube?
@@edwardfern4359 it is someone who has stolen my profiler picture. The name of that channel is not the same as mine. So annoying!! I have hidden all comments from the channel - or tried to 😃
Thx. He said I had won a giveaway but was going to have to pay for the shipping. I hate people who try to take advantage of others!
@@edwardfern4359 I reported it to CZcams - maybe you can do it too?
Great videos bud I sold my M3 as I couldn’t get it to group I’ve learnt a lot from your videos wish I’d of kept my M3 now 🤦♂️ ere in the uk we can only shoot sub 12 ftlb with out fire arms licence I now have a air arms s500 in 177 an I’ve gotta say it shoots the same hole at 50 yards very accurate I’m gonna try some slugs as I haven’t tried them yet , great videos bud like an subscribed 👍
Hi and welcome aboard Paul 🙂
I have heard so many good things about Air Arms. I would love to try one some day 🙂
Thanks, like it 👍
I’m having good luck with the 13 grain and have some 10 grain coming. Kral shoots the 13s at around 835 and hope to get the tens in the 880s.
Hi, Did You use liner superior or heavy liner during your test ? Please .
In this test I used the standard superior liner. It was made before the heavy liner came for 177.
I have two videos here on my channel where Im testing the heavy liner in both 600 and 700 mm 🙂
Thanks for good content. Is 600mm standard STX liner (like MK3 is original) or Superior Liner?
Thanks Jakub
The STX Superior liner is standard in the 177 M3 and it is the one that Im using 🙂
muito bom parabéns videio top.
Muito obrigado meu amigo 🙂
Hei, takk for en fin video. Jeg har en Maverick i .177 og har fulgt flere av dine tips. Merket du noen forskjell i fps når du byttet tilbake til standard transfer port fra den doble? Min maverick har Huma slug kit, extra high pressure set og dual port. Trykket i tanken tømmes veldig raskt og håper jeg kan bedre effektiviteten på riflen 😅👍
Tak for det 🙂
Der var en lille forskel i fps, da jeg skiftede, men jeg kan uden problemer få en meget høj hastighed med standard.
I løbet af et par dage kommer jeg med en video, hvor jeg viser forskellen på spread mellem de to porte🙂
@@VikingAirgunner mange takk! Gleder meg meget til ny video 😀 Jeg byttet tilbake til original port i dag. Jeg så ingen forskjell i fps. Min har 500mm løp, så jeg kaster bort unødvendig mye luft med dual port. Håper du får en riktig god helg!
@@ChristianoMoe Dejligt at høre, at det virkede godt med at skifte 🙂 Meget glad for at kunne hjælpe.
Bedste hilsner
Peter
I don't own any FX guns but do have an RTI Prophet Performance with a .177 barrel in it. Like you Peter - it shoots the 13.43 KO's extremely well around 980-985 and is good out to 100 yds. I ( like many of us ) saw Gerhard's video announcing the new H&N's in .177 but I've not yet been able to find any over here in the USA as I was also curious about trying something a little heavier. Looking around, I discovered a "local" guy who makes them in a range of sizes and weights - from 13 - 20g. The Prophet .177 barrel is not terribly long at only around 450mm so . . . I don't think I could push the 20g H&N's anyway. ( Gerhard was using a 700mm in his video with the 20g's and he was pushing them pretty fast ) I opted to buy two test samples of this guys slugs - one in 16 and the other in 18. The 16's - 'eh .. not so good. The 18's on the other hand - surprisingly nice - really good out to about 85 yards ( for me anyway ) - they seem to destabilize / fall apart out beyond that. I'm running them in the low 900's.
These are the ones I am currently experimenting with - again the 18's are good, the 16's ( for me and my gun anyway ) - not so much.
griffinairgunammo.com/collections/177-slugs/products/griffin-slugs-177-caliber
It is interesting that the 18 gr outperforms the 16 gr. But as long as you can get a good result with a slug that is heavier than the KO 13,43 gr 🙂
I would be open to test a slug a bit heavier than 16 gr, but 20 gr seems like alot, so 18 gr could be the one.
Im sure that my gun can push the 20 gr - Gerhard doing it at 930 fps (I believe it was)
But offcause with the 700 mm liner.
Can you get a longer barrel for your gun?
There is a huge gain in fps going to the longer barrels, but I am pretty sure that you know 🙂
@@VikingAirgunner - I've emailed RTI about the possibility of them releasing a longer barrel but ... haven't heard anything back. No big deal - if they do - great. If not ... it still shoots these pretty well.
Hi mate, just wondering would it be worth trying a different batch of the 16g ?
I did 🙄
Bought from two of the biggest retailers in Europe and there was no difference 😢
@@VikingAirgunner I got my 13 / 16 and 20 grainers from zan themself( 5 BX of each ), i also gotten 5 other boxes ( 13 gr ) from Huma.
But i have not looked at batch numbers or in any way kept those different 13 grain slugs apart in my ammo storage suitcase.
The 16 grain H&N slugs i also got 5 tins off but are now down to 3, well lets just say i will not get more of those before i hear from regular people.shooting 16 gr H&N at same setting as 16 grain Zan, and poi was 20 - 25 Cm out, then dialing towards that, and suddenly the POI was just as far away but in another direction.
In all fairness i did get the 16 grain H&N slugs to shoot okay one day, but i think that was probably in my Vulcan 3, ar at least with different settings than i shot 16 ZAN with.
Peter,
This was a comment I made on another video out of Britain when he was comparing the .177 with a .22 caliber at 12 FPE .
This is what I said : I absolutely think the .177 is a great caliber for springers and PCP air guns . Don’t underestimate its capabilities in both accuracy and at harvesting small game for the table . Even at sub 12 foot pounds of energy with Diabolo pellets it’s lethal . Today with the availability of slugs in countries with less restrictions in FPE , it’s a leap forward for this caliber .
And so true!
There are so many advantages in 177.
In Denmark you need a hunting licence wich requires a course. After this you need a permit for your rifle and it needs to be locked up in a safe. Buying a new gun takes ages to get a permit.
And off cause there is the whole thing about air consumption and more expensive ammo.
AND you are not allowed to shoot it in your back yard.
So with the groupings that I get with the 177 there is no reason to go bigger.
If I was hunting - maybe... And if I was shooting beyond 100 m - maybe...
But since I m not I am perfectly happy with the 177 🤗
@@VikingAirgunner living in the US we are spoiled . From my BB gun days all the way up to larger fire arms I still go back and shoot my PCP’s . It’s far cheaper and the results and enjoyment you get are the same . One of the best benefit is they are quite . You can shoot as a family group without having to have ear protection . Less intimidating for the ladies as well .
@@VikingAirgunner I would add the design of the FX Impact is modular with many combinations and swaps available .
Although FX revolutionized the rifling technic on their barrels it has left them with an Achilles heal . A thin barrel with to much harmonics .
They continue to chase controlling the harmonics via carbon fiber sleeves and now a carbon fiber sleeve with a nut . With our US market with heavier slugs and higher velocities something has to be done to go to the next level . You yourself are experiencing this with barrel lengths and accuracy with just the .177 .
Look to the future with a solid barrel being offered by FX or some other after market company to address that issue .
@@hotchihuahua1546 I love your laws for shooting airguns 🙂
@@VikingAirgunner I can’t fault the requirements you have in Denmark for training and safety reasons . We are for sure spoiled in the US with little to no restrictions .
I did make a point of buying a sub 12 foot pound springer to get an idea of what it’s like in England . Europeans and South African shooters seem to enjoy coming over to compete . Matt Dauber from South Africa seems to place near the top or win in the US every year . He did it again in Utah in 2022 .
I noticed in your playlist you mention many of the shooters I subscribe to .
If you ever visit the States and are in South Carolina we should hook up . I have a range I setup for both pistol and rifle. You can shoot some of the big stuff and experience how gun crazy we are . Gun crazy in a safe way that is . 😁
My wife and I travel overseas some but have been reluctant to travel due to Covid the last couple of years .
what speed is good for nsa slug 15grain?thank you master.I'm Indonesian
Hi Robby
They work really well in the superior liner around 985 fps.
Jsb knockout 13 gr slug or zan 13 gr slug wich is the best
It depends on the barrel. I have had them both performing well in the superior liner with nearly the same results, so if I was still shooting the STX Superior liner I would go for the Zan. And the Zans bcs the weight of the slugs is very consistant where the KnockOuts can have quite a big difference.
But I can that one is much better than the other. Sometimes it is just best to do your own test to see what you prefer 🙂
Might get a different result than me 🙂
What speed are you shooting them at as I have good results with the 13 grain at 800 ft per second
Zan 13 gr are shot at around 980 fps 🙂
@@VikingAirgunner I was shooting the 10g @920 and with no luck with 13g @800 feet are good
@@fatphunker I just heard today that the 10 gr likes velocities like pellets - didnt try it myself 🙂
Awesome 13 gr group longer slugs need more twist or higher speeds.
I tested them up to 1000 fps and from 970 and up the groups started to grow.
I was thinking about mounting the 700 mm liner 🤔
I bought a box of Zan slugs in 10gn My steyr LG110 likes them, pigeons do not, the 13gn were slightly less accurate though had more energy down range and did the biz on the sky rats
Good acurrate
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Muito obrigado, meu amigo 🙂
Hi ya all... I have just made the same test today with the .177 16g and the 20g zan slugs and what I find out is that round 960-970fps the 16g gave me a group of 1cm at 50 meters but at 150 bars and the valve slightly closed round 3 1/4 and I am saying that because before that I was playing with the adjustment will and the macro adjuster without any good results and come to the conclusion that the slugs get effected by the excess air that is coming out from the barrel so what's need to be done is is play with the valve in different pressure adjustments till you find the sweet spot.( Something like the Gspot) of your air rifle 😂😂😂 A and by the way, while doing all that time finish like usually and I had to ho to work so the 20grainrrs are weighing for their turn.
The 16 gr is still an interesting choice and it surely has potential. Just need to find the right velocity, setting and perhaps also the right lenght od barrel 🙂
@@VikingAirgunner i forgot to mention that its obvious an M3 impact with 600mm barrel and stx superior heavy liner 1.18 ..
@@dorosloizou5434 FX dont make heavy liner in 177 - yet.
@@VikingAirgunner you are correct , i was mistaken
Har også fået købt en pakke 13gr 10gr og jeg må sige at zan 10gr fungere lysår bedre end Knockout 10gr. Har skudt dem 865fps for det er der jeg er sat op til, godkendt ud til 50m og så er det med en airgun technology med kun 360mm barrel, spændende at se hva de kan præstere hvis jeg får dem drejet op på den anden side af 900fps🤓😀
Jeg må sige, at der ikke skal meget til at noget hagl fungerer bedre end 10 gr KO 😃
Men dejligt at Zan også har knækket koden der 🙂
Jeg har slet ingen fornemmelse af, hvilken hastighed de fungerer bedst ved, men det er også ret afhængig af løbet 🙂
fedt med erfaringer.
Jeg har selv købt Zan 10,13 0g 16 gr, men har ikke fået dem testet endnu.
Håber at få lave en større test med dem versus Jsb, IHunter, HN 0g mine hjemme pressede GMI slugs.
Desværre er video redigering ikke min stærkeste side, men jeg må få det lært en dag.
Hvilke programmer kan anbefales?
@@Viking_X Der er basis for en god video dér - jeg gad virkelig godt at se noget med din GMI presse.
Mht redigering bruger jeg Shotcut. Det er nemt at komme igang med, og der ligger en masse tutorials på CZcams. Både beginner og advanced 🙂
👍🏼
How much is the fps for 16
My experience are about the same, though i will not yet sign a paper on that with my name, for that i need to test in perfect conditions and with the gun clamped down.
SO !
I am happy i have gotten 10 boxes of the Zan 13 grainers, and i have 5 boxes of 16 and 20 grainers, and i am far from unhappy about having spent money on those.
I will say so far, shooting Zan 16 grainers, and then changing to the new H&N 16 grain slugs,,,,, and it was nothing near it, TBH the H&N slugs was a mess, and clearly need to be shot in another way.
Also the 16 grain H&N slugs ( only one i have ) well loading one, take more effort than 16 grain ZAN slugs,,,,, i can only imagine that is due to the compound of the lead.
I found a good universal setting for my Maverick today, so with it i can shoot 20 grain zan slugs at 800 FPS, and i am sure if you put up 21 ping pong balls at 100 M i will knock down at least half of them, but 800 FPS then i do not get 40 FP energy, but thats also just fine for now as i dont plan to shoot 16 or 20 grain much, like Peter 13 or there about ( 12.5 / 15 gr ) is where i will do the bulk of my shooting.
And with my new universal setting i can do that with a range og slugs and pellets and on different hammer wheel settings and get 1 digit deviation on a 10 shot string.
MRD / Beasts also do quite well at 80 M.
It's time for you to check Edgun slugs 13.43gr (almost same like knockout) for me they have better accuracy ... im shooting 2cm group on 100m with MK2 600 superior & harmonic berrel... and 200m group 20cm ( shooting 970-980 fps)
It sounds like I have to give them a try 🙂
Thanks for sharing 🤗
I'm pretty sure your EDGUN KNOCKOUT slugs come from the same press as the JSB Knock Out. They are not bad either and in fact it is my experience they are a bit better in a standard FX liner at longer distances.
@@TheLandbo just buy and see the differents .... i have in my hand both 2, so it's different. I have weighed Knockout vs. Edgun there are also differences in favor for Edgun
@@VikingAirgunner det må du gjøre ☺
@@madeyeq4073 It is not my experience that small deviations in weight mean anything for shooting precision, it is the small mechanical deviations on the slug. Peter also found out in his last video that weight means nothing.
And no, will not try EDGUNS KNOCKOUT slugs as it is not possible and buy them in my country.
There was a black cat in the background.
Maybe that was the bad luck that hit the 16 grain's? 😁
Just kidding.
Happy shooting 🤘
Damn!! Now I have to do the whole test again 😂
Next H&N 😁
Exactly! Working on the video right now 😎
aku menginginkan senapan itu, berikan padaku.. 😂😂😂
Thanks for the video and info Sir,, Sorry UK, your country and other countries have such limits on caliber and power on air guns, never mind real guns,,,, Real shame.. Crime still same, just they using knifes and hammers, cars and bombs there etc,,,,, Can't defend self at all at home,,,,,,, Sorry again,,,
Hej Peter.
Super kanal du har skabt dig, og virkelig godt indhold :)
Jeg har købt en FX Impact M3 med næsten samme opsætning som din. Den er købt af Nikolaj, som du har skrevet med på messenger. - Jeg har nu overtaget dette ret dyre eksperiment, og kan simpelthen ikke få det til at spille, øv øv..
Jeg vil derfor spørge, om du ikke vil gennemgå præcist, hvad du har modificeret dit gevær med?
fjedre, hammer, slugkit ?
Mvh. Rasmus
Hej Rasmus 🙂
Tak for det 🙂
Tillykke med din nyerhvervelse. Den skal nok give dig masser af glæder - og hovedpiner 😃
Af modifikationer, der har med power at gøre, har jeg faktisk geværet helt som standard. Jeg har tidligere brugt dual hole transfer port, men da jeg kæmpede med et stort spread, gik jeg tilbage til standard porten.
Jeg har et carbon barrel sleeve på, der hjælper med at holde lineren mere stabil.
Ellers har jeg bag rider, arca swiss rail og en Accu-Tac bipod.
Så ingen modifikationer på hammerfjeder ellers frontventilfjeder.
Sig til hvis du får brug for hjælp til at tune eller har spørgsmål til ammonition og hastigheder.
Venligst
Peter P
@@VikingAirgunner Tusinde tak for hurtigt svar. - Ja det er noget af en passion det kræver, hvilket jeg har, heldigt nok :-)
Jeg har Carbon liner på 700mm twist X, som også er med Dual transfer port.. prøver at skifte til original 👍
Der sidder en pellet probe som ligner din “dansker version” som vel egentlig er som erstatning for vores mangel på .177 slug kit?
Skal jeg skifte denne tilbage til standard også?
Vil du have noget imod vi skrev via Messenger? Jeg har sådan set brug for lidt hjælp allround ☺️
@@rasmusrasmussen9709 Velbekomme 🙂
Behold din pin probe. Jeg går ud fra, at du skyder slugs, så pin proben er bedst til det.
700 mm lineren er ret tricky. Jeg bilder mig ind, at jeg er lige ved at have knækket koden, men det kan vi snakke om på et andet tidspunkt.
Slug Kit er ikke nødvendigt, og det er også kun tilgængeligt i de større kalibre.
Du er velkommen til at skrive på messenger 🙂