Un-Armed Pirates, Intruders, & Thieves:Self Defense for Sailboats (Patrick Childress Sailing #43)
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- Self Defense on Sailboats: defense Against PIRATES, INTRUDERS & THIEVES...
Please understand that this video is presenting some ideas about defending yourselves against having Un-Armed thieves and intruders board your boats...BEFORE they board your boat. These are new self defense weapons for sailors to consider having onboard for self defense against piracy. What weapons we want on our boat to use to defend ourselves is considered in this episode. We are not offering this video as advice on what weapons to have or not have on your boat...that is a personal call. This video is simply to introduce some more ideas of what’s available here in South Africa and open up a discussion between cruisers or those contemplating cruising. Everyone must decide for their own boat.
Please do not feel we are telling you these are good weapons to use in every case, and may even be dangerous to display. ...they are simply ideas For devices to use in self defense on a sailboat, we do not necessarily use them to defend ourselves. We are well aware that pulling a fake gun or even a real firearm, on someone with a real gun will get YOU killed...as the video explains. This is a discussion about possibilities for warding off theft from mildly threatening intruders...not guys intent on robbing, raping, and killing you, like so many people want to discuss here. To make it clear to people NOT on boats...this is what to ward the guy off who comes on to your lawn...who is MAYBE gonna steal your lawnmower. Are you going to blow him away, or are you gonna maybe shoot a pepperball in his direction? This is what we are talking about in this video...It’s indeed hard to tell intent...and sometimes it’s best to assume the worst, but not hurt someone right away. If they keep coming, it may be best to have a plan B ready to go.
We have decided to make our first line of defense, after common sense, locking things up and not displaying them on deck...along with the installation of a super decked out security system onboard Brick House for www.GOST.com. Nobody will step onboard without us knowing about it, and alerts being sent to the local officials.
Here are 5 cool Ideas to deter an un-armed and not actually dangerous intruder who may decide to board your sailboat. Real Pirates on Sailboats...and real pirate defense..forget it...but opportunistic fisherman who want your cell phone...why let them have it when you can use a deterrent to scare these pirates away? These are perhaps some crazy ideas and methods to defend against pirates and intruders in S. Africa where this was filmed in June, 2019, without having guns on a boat, but they are here to consider as you contemplate weapons on your sailboat.
Sailing around the world, a cruiser needs a definite method to send a clear message to an intruder that he is about to step onto the wrong boat. But lethal weapons are often overkill and can turn the boat owner, into a criminal, landing him in a filthy foreign prison! We believe most of these weapons on sailboats are for use at a distance, and once here pirates have boarded the boat,it’s probably time for a plan B to defend yourself, and possibly locking yourself in the cabin to not be murdered. It’s very hard to tell someone’s true intention, and even if they are armed and dangerous, so care must be taken. All cruisers sailing around the world or just sailing their local waters need to decide individually what is right for their own situation for Defense on a sailboat.
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Please understand that this video is presenting some ideas about defending yourselves against having Un-Armed thieves and intruders board your boats...BEFORE they board your boat. We are still exploring this every day as full time cruisers, and we are not sure what we do and don’t want. We are not offering this video as advice on what to have or not have on your boat...that is a personal call. This video is simply to introduce some more ideas of what’s available here in South Africa and open up a discussion between cruisers or those contemplating cruising. Everyone must decide for their own boat.
Please do not feel we are telling you these are good ideas to use...they are simply ideas, some better than others. We are well aware that pulling a fake gun on someone with a real gun will get YOU killed...as the video explains. This is a discussion about possibilities for warding off theft from no threatening intruders...not guys intent on robbing, raping, and killing you, like so many people want to discuss here. To make it clear to people NOT on boats...this is what to ward the guy off who comes on to your lawn...who is MAYBE gonna steal your lawnmower. Are you going to blow him away, or are you gonna maybe shoot a pepperball in his direction? This is what we are talking about in this video...but on a boat.
We have decided to make our first line of defense, after common sense, locking things up and not displaying them on deck...along with the installation of a super decked out security system onboard Brick House. Nobody will step onboard without us knowing about it, and without sounding alarms so loud we will all be nauseous and blind, while authorities are called if we so choose, even when we are out of cellular range...complete with anti-tamper technology, backups d much much more! (Http://www.GOST.com)
Let us know your thoughts on these ideas...and please suggest other ideas too. We are all ears!
Also...here is an IMPORTANT UPDATE TO THIS INFORMATION. Visit our website to get some important data regarding the use of paintball guns on sailboats: VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE ON THIS VIDEO. WATCH ENTIRE VIDEO FIRST TO UNDERSTAND THE INFORMATION IN THE UPDATE:
whereisbrickhouse.com/2019/09/11/pepperball-guns-on-sailboats/
Also, here is a quiz for you all...
...Here are 5 situations we have personally had. What would you have done? Guess which one(s) were the truly deadly one(s) that someone else narrowly survived a completely similar situation that we know VERY well?
1. 10 people hiding under a tarp, one guy in a black hood and face mask, in a small open boat, coming fast up behind us. Waving his hands claiming to need help, we think, in a foreign language....Pulling up to side of boat, desperate to jump on. Do we let him on? Did we even have a choice? Intuition was used, judgements were made, and when we saw one lady and one kid pop up from under the tarp we let the one guy one...how do you think it turned out?
2.Fishing boat anchored. We slowly sail by. They fire up engines and start coming towards us with their small 3 boats tied to the back. There is a tradition in this area to pass one’s boat in front of your bow and then they get their bad fishing luck wiped out for the day. They believe in it strongly. The 3 small fishing boats are empty but on long tethers that go out like water skis and start to surround us...What do you do to these fisherman, now standing on their bow, coming so close to your boat?
3.A you fisherman with all his nets is out 6 miles from land as you are sailing along in the daylight. This is the same fisherman you saw back in the anchorage who you asked to move his nets because they were put down on top of your anchor and it’s time for you to leave. He had not been happy but he had picked up his nets and you left. Now he is throwing nets and floats aggressively in front of your boat. When other boats comes around he speeds off, but then comes back when they are out of sight, and does it again. You fire a flare in his direction. He leaves, and then comes back 15 minutes later, and does it all again despite you yelling and telling him to go away. He is now putting lines around you, within 10 feet of the boat, cursing crazily, and ignoring your requests to remove his nets and fishing gear. luckily you are sailing so they probably aren’t gonna get in your prop. What would you do?
4.You are anchored and have just had your dinner. The police, all with their official Police shirts and badges come up and ask you for your boat papers to be sure you are there legally They climb aboard. What do you do...unhappy with their black boots scuffing up your deck, and the lack of politeness?
Check out this post: whereisbrickhouse.com/2019/09/23/pirates-or-innocent-fisherman/
Rebecca
after watching some of those container ships get boarded by pirates, i watched some videos where the ships had military people on board for security, those pirates had military personnel firing rounds at them from ar15s and and water cannons, the pirates were still trying to board. they even fired rounds into their boats trying to sink them, very persistent they are. the best way so far ive seen is sail far off the coast lines of known pirate territories.
@@carolinabeacher1558 Yep and even with training and marksmanship and experience I have yet to see a shot land on target. Personally my thought is stay far off shore and close to warships because they love to use those guys for target practice. Radio the battleships and tell them your intentions and sail on.
If they force you to kill , you sink the body and burn their boat. Or just die.
Mark Rigsby...Wow...is that what you do to people who come in your yard that may want to steal your bike??? -Rebecca
joe Robinson Yes...stay offshore if in a serious pirate area...but Where we cruise...there are NO warships, and no hardcore pirates, just pirates who wanna steal your money or cell phone ;) Thanks everyone for understanding the video...Rebecca
Never bring a fake gun to a real gun fight.
RoboticGladiator Yep...as the video says...this isn’t for armed pirates at all...but you know that if you watched the video ;) -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Never bring empty hands to a gun fight. These "Toys" are much better than nothing. Maybe have both. Try to deter with the pepper spray. If tat doesn't work, take out the hidden Glock and send them home.
I have 2 .380 & 600 rounds ,and .22 & a galvanized bucket that I put smoke bombs in to make them think we're on fire ,sounds crazy but it scared away a boat with 2 guys off Panama
@@jonkenny2654 Good job. That is what I like to hear.
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Those folks are IDIOTS!
I have been cruising in South East Asia for the last 13 years and have fitted a 10,000v electric fence energiser which works perfectly. The active/positive connection is attached to the staunchion which connects the lifelines, pushpit, pullpit, davits and alloy dinghy. The earth wire has a small brass/copper piece soldered to it and is lowered down the cockpit drain to the water but still inside the drain tube. It is very important to make sure that any of the active components are isolated from the rest of the boat, IE nav lights, rigging, anchor winch etc. I was concerned about the earth problem and could get no straight answer from the electric fence specialists in New Zealand so for Aud $140, delivered to Malalysia, decided to give it a try. After fitting and double checking vactive continuity and isolation from the rest of the boat I tested it by standing on a very dry timber dock with rubber shoes on. I got zapped big time.
Not sure how it works but I have had an explanation from the experts which went right over my head. I have now tested it 3 times, Twice unexpectedly. I fitted a red flashing LED and a switch to the unit so it can be left plugged in to the ships 12v system and simply connect the clip to a staunchion and be in business. I have used this now for many years and never had any electrolysis problems or issues with electronics. It works as a closed circuit or in one direction IE with the gate closed or open.
Better to keep intruders off the boat than try and deal with them onboard.
NB: Very important to make sure the active components are isolated from the rest of the boat
That is the BEST idea I’ve ever heard. We actually have an electric fence sitting here staring at us. Wondering how to get the ground thing going...We even have the copper rod! Just didn’t know where to put it to complete the ground. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! The puzzle is complete...thanks for your awesome information!!! We just got a GOST security system...and this will be the final frosting on the cake!!! -Rebecca
PS Been also trying to figure out how we can test it without getting zapped ourselves ;) Sorry you had to try it for real! Also...do you know how much electricity is enough? This one runs off alkaline batteries an dits for keeping dogs and rabbits out of the garden...-Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Hi, most electric fences are 10,000v and the higher the joules the better but I think 1.3 is good. It will run 13km of fence wire so no problem with the lifelines etc. Mine runs directly off any 12v supply and draws almost nothing as it is only pulsing an ac current with low wattage. Some run off 240v or I guess 110v ac in the states. I bought a 10.000v electric fence tester on Ebay for very little money and can test anywhere in the circuit. Further regarding testing the unit I suggest perhaps inviting a few friends over for sundowners??? Certainly should liven the party up. Beware though that it is really important to make sure your active/positive circuit is not in contact with anything which may feed back into the electrical system on the boat. 12v systems don't like 10,000v pulsing through them so triple check everything before switching on. I have read of only one other Aussie cat which uses this system and it works for them too. Hope this helps. I also have a couple of bear pepper spray, one beside the bed and one in the companionway. Never had any problems here in South East Asia but it gives us piece of mind in isolated anchorages.
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Don't know about the smaller units but it would be simple to do a test ashore. Drive a spike into the ground turn it on and touch the positive wire (with the back of your hand) It won't kill you and you'll feel what an intruder will feel. I have had belts before from electric fences on NZ farms. You get used to it.
Ok thanks for your help. Hate the idea of testing it myself...gonna see if there are any electric fencers her in S Africa..the land of Intruders, security systems and electric fences for elephants and other livestock. Another project for the list now! This is quite a good idea....I may come back and ask you more about NOT blowing up my batteries with 10,000 volts ;) Not sure I get how it does not backtrack to your batteries and how I can manage to not have my wires somehow connected to my electronics...if the base wire goes out from my batteries...but perhaps with this little alkaline run version I have, it will be easier to isolate! Rebecca
In my past I did a lot of cruising mostly South/Central America, the Bahamas and the Caribbean 1973 to 1984. In most of these places, you have to take care of situations yourself with no one to call for help! I had an Ithaca pump 12 gauge stainless steel teak stock shotgun six 3 inch magnum rounds in the tube one in the chamber. The round in the chamber was a slug to shoot at the waterline and the rest were 00 Buck with 16 50 g pellets out the barrel at 1,550 fps. I also had a stainless 8 inch barrel S&W 357 mag revolver to strap on my hip. Twice while gunk holed two different locations/countries, I saw a speed boat coming fast to our little bay that looking threw binoculars. One I saw guns and the other time I saw bandoleers with bullets down the front. Got my guns and standing on the deck shot a 357 round into the water to get the attention of the other boat there. When the approaching boats saw with their glass us on deck armed, they turned about looking for easier fish. I had motion actuated lights on each side of my mast 6 ft above the deck put on in 1980. During one night at anchor, I was awakened with the light on that I scrambled to the cockpit with my shotgun seeing a boat with no lights on approaching but seeing the situation not to their favor, turned about. I don't know what the laws/regs are now, but back then I defended myself and companion.
You are correct Patric. I'm Australian and Sling-Shots have been outlawed since the early 1980's. Biggest Nanni-State in the world. No wander I haven't lived there for over 10 years.
Yes we Aussies get to use a stern voice for self defence.
Amazing. Now I have to wonder if there is a law against throwing a rock!
Gregory Powell Do you need to be politically correct when you use your stern voice? -Rebecca
This comment gives me an idea.... you could use Zane's ammo with a slingshot just as easily as with a CO2 pistol. Check out the sling shot channel for all the amazing things that guys does with his surgical tubing. czcams.com/users/JoergSpravevideos
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife pretty much lol .... also rock throwing is a no no. People(kids mostly) would drop rocks off bridges into traffic
Stainless flare signalers with inserts to allow shotgun or pistol rounds. Make that insert a boat fitting on the halyard when inspection time comes.
Patrick you do what you want to do and I'll do what works. Good luck.
Thanks for watching…
Thank you. This guy deserves all your business. Very knowledgeable on all his products. I like the machine gun with the hopper.... Mix the pepper balls with the bone breakers and have at least two weapons always. The lesson being your backup needs a backup
A plan A....and a Plan B...Rebecca
Great video thanks 🤗 and that guy in the shop reallyyy new his stuff ,veryyyy professional 👏👏👏
If I were to work at a store like this, I would watch this video over and over to remember his techniques. Zane does a very good selling job.
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife So, Patrick, we all want to know if Zane actually sold you something? Just a yes or no. Lol.
I had a special fuel tank made for my outboard motor fuel. It has quick disconnect fittings to allow me to add pressure to the fuel tank from a scuba tank. Another quick disconnect fitting attaches a high pressure water cleaning wand to my fuel tank. I can shoot gas for 25 feet or more depending on the wind. If I have no reason to shoot my gas over the side it's still good to refuel my 2 stroke outboard.
A long nose charcoal lighter is attached to my water washing wand.
Man that sounds so dangerous! -Rebecca
We used pepper balls in police and SWAT operations. They are AWESOME. It had a hopper for use in riots. On a boat where you are obviously not very gun savvy and customs might freak, I’d think the pepper gel for you is a better option. It DOES require a much closer proximity which increases your risk. Personally, you wave, warn, threaten (without exposing your weapon) until they make contact with or board your boat, then shooting them with lethal intent and surviving the encounter. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six. Internationally, it’s a quagmire of laws, country by country
Fully agree and so quickly, especially in these less Democratic countries, the victim can quickly become the bigger criminal. That is why the non-lethal but very impressive projectiles caught my attention.
The paintball/pepper ball top the list with pepper and glass projectiles. Shoot center of mass...pepper gel as backup.
As someone who has been both a cop and a soldier, let me just say this; the only way you can be sure a person is 'unarmed' is if you pat them down.
And if you can do that, then they are obviously not a problem.
Also, if you point a fake gun at someone - especially if they are already engaged in an illegal activity - they are very likely to shoot you with their REAL gun that you didn't see or know was there.
So if you climb on MY boat in the middle of the night, or look like you're gonna approach too close after dark, you ARE going to get greeted with a real gun.
...and I can always pitch my gun overboard if I have to shoot you, and swear your buddy shot you by accident, if it comes to that. ( Since you or someone with you WILL be armed if I have to shoot you. )
Yes folks, I'd rather be a live 'criminal' than a dead law-abiding citizen.
Thanks for your comment.
* Tips hat *
yeah, i dunno these less then lethal folks always think it's better, until you spritz some strange guy off his rocker on whatever local drugs they use with a little bb gun and he comes right at you with his rusty machete and starts chopping bits of you off :( the rest of the planet is anti gun so even trying to dock someplace with a gun is difficult, and then there is being boarded by random shit hole government "coast guard" people, in those countries, the coast guard, the military and the pirates seem to all have the same boat if you know what i mean lol, you could prolly have some fun though , with like alcohol stove fuel canisters, just chuck one of those fuel cans on the deck and light it, the whole boat will look like it's on fire but it evaporates so quickly there is no damage, most human beings dont want to be on fire so they will prolly jump over board lol
i read someplace there was a guy who used a genny at night and electrified those lines around the boat i forget what they are called, so anyone trying to get on board got shocked
@@seanc8054 Parachute flares burn even underwater. I used one to turn around a boat that was going to do us no good, off the coast of Vietnam. Flare pistols, except we have to call them "flare launchers" are illegal in many countries but I know a cruiser who used one to ward off a troublesome boat. No other cruiser I know of talks about having high powered arms on their boat. It is not worth the risk of a disgruntled crew ratting them out, which does happen, or even another cruiser who has a self elevated halo over their head. When you go cruising internationally, you have to make a lot of decisions to keep yourself out of trouble with officials and ward off thieves.
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife, you started your vid off stating you knew 5 people who were captured by pirates, 2 of which died.
So we are not just talking about thieves here, we're talking about kidnappers and murderers.
Defending property is one thing, defending your life is another matter entirely. And that's not something best done with toys.
If people aren't willing to do whatever it takes to defend their lives... fine. No skin off my nose.
I'll be doing whatever it takes, and using the best possible tools I can get or make for that particular job though.
Fake guns are probably the worst idea. Step out in the cockpit with a fake pistol and you might escalate the situation to something you can't handle.
How would you handle, if you do not have such a gun?
Best guns for sailing: Stainless Steel 1911 .45 ACP; Marine version of any good semi-auto .12 Gauge shotgun; And, if there is a 'marine' version of the MP4.
The problem is, USA is virtually the only nation that protects the citizen's RIGHT to defend themselves (and it's usually women voters who destroy this God-given right!)!
So true
I should add that you both handle the negativism from viewers very graciously. Far better than I would. Some of these people are outright insulting and offensive. I would just shut them down.
Thanks. We appreciate all comments...but yes...it gets trying at times ;) -Rebecca
I want to inform you of the rule for crossbows.
When comparing crossbows to bows.
Rifle size crossbows are 1/3 What a bow is.
And pistols are 1/5 of a bow.
Meaning if you have 150lbs rifle size crossbow it is equal to a 50lbs bow.
A 150 lbs pistol crossbow is equal to a 30lbs bow.
Please keep this in mind. And I will explain why this is below.
It has to do with law of bow length. The shorter a bow is, the more power needed to draw it. But draw weight, in this sense, does not equal power. ( do not confuse this with recurveing of bows, because the length is still there just offset with recurve. In recurves the limbs length are same as longbows ). Another way to look at this is based on pivot principles. After all a bow really is pivoting the arrow. If you use a 3 foot board to lift an item on a pivot point. It is much harder then if you used a 5 foot board.
This is from years of experience as an archer and crossbower. If anyone doesn't believe me, please do the following tests. ( ive already done them which is why I know this is true)
Fire a 50lbs bow and a 150lbs rifle size crossbow for distance. They will come out to roughly the same.
Fire a 50 lbs bow and a 150lbs crossbow rifle length into a target. The penetration will be roughly the same.
Fire a 50 lbs bow and 150lbs crossbow through the gadget that measures speed. Again they come out to roughly the same.
This goes for pistol crossbows as well. Except instead of 1/3 it 1/5.
Now also don't misunderstand. A 30lbs bow with a broadhead, 25 to 50 yard /meters, shot into a ribcage at the heart will kill a deer. Into a limb they will not forget the encounter. And as a FYI, if it kills a deer it will a human as well.
Oh and a field tip, non broadhead is near as good. Broadtip causes bleeded and harder to remove.
Many a poached deer have fallen to field tip 25lbs bows. ( silent and easy to evade game wardens) If you are caught. Just claim you are target practicing. That's unless you have deer in tow. In that case you SOL.
Btw. I prefer bows after I found this out. Because a bow loads and fires much quicker then a crossbow. And bows are easier to make then crossbows.
And it really doesn't take long to become decent with a bow. ( but then again I've used bows for many years)
Now if you want to know something that take a long time to become decent with, that is a Sheppard sling. 5 years and I am still not decent.
Don't underestimate a Sheppard sling. You know that bibical story of David and goliath. Well the power is true. It can kill a Grizzley. At 50 yards I can put a bullet ( sling projectiles are called bullets) through 3/4 inch plywood. Now hitting it is another story. Remember a sheet of plywood is 4 foot by 8 foot. It takes me many times at 50 yards, remember I've been doing it for about 5 years now. While with a bow at 50 yards I'm having dinner. ( btw, no I'm not the poacher, and if I see game at 50 yards I'm extremely lucky. Most my game is over 150 yards. Due to where I live. And yes a 50 lbs bow will kill a deer at 150 yards.)
Super cool toys...but can kick ass if need be. Great subject and vid.
Thanks...we think it’s all very interesting too. -Rebecca
One of the best things I've heard of when not moving tied at a mooring ball for the night, is fishing net, with floats and large fishhooks sewn in, surrounding your boat 20-30feet around.
the floats keep the netting just below the surface, and catch props, booms, dagger boards, oars, etc
Sounds like a bit of work but well worth it for the protection.
cool video and good advices. We have been in certain areas where it is smart to be ready. Never had any issues, but we also have a big Rottweiler on board. Works excellent, but eats a lot 😅
Yes. I would imagine it would eat a lot...and that you would have to walk it a lot too! Very high maintenance self Defense...but effective too! -Rebecca
Muslims are not allowed to touch a dog, or at least the wet parts, so they will not come near a boat with a dog on board. That fact saved the lives of two friends who had 2 yappy Schipperke dogs on board, in the Philippines. The bad guys went on to the next boat in the marina. Those cruisers did not fare so well. A Rottweiler is very impressive .
Won't the pirates shoot back with real bullets if you're shooting them with a paintball gun or rifle?
Did you watch the video or read the video description? It appears not.
I did watch video and read notes.
Why would you want the risk of sailing in waters with pirates in the first place? Those lock bars on your cabin wouldn't stop much. Wood breaks.
Your video did give me ideas on squatting homeless on commercial property. Paintballs with fumigants.
Stink them out.
I started watching the video. Changed my mind. Dick.
your safe at sea as long as you leave no witnesses
I’m with you, you set foot on my boat intent on hurting my family fish will eat your carcass that was shot by a real gun not a bb.
Yep
I know a sailing couple who have an electric fence running around the boat railing whenever they are at anchor and sleeping in unsafe areas. they claim it helped them out more than once against people climbing onto their boat at night....
We now have all the gear to set up an "electric fence" on our life line but haven't had time to try it yet. Hopefully, soon, we will. But Rebecca is also installing a rather elaborate security system with cameras and deck sensors that trigger an alarm if someone steps on the deck. The alarm won't sound if the cat jumps onto the deck. One day, we will do a video on the system called GOST. It is really made for super yachts but we are adapting it to our boat.
Sailed around the world with a new shotgun aboard.
Returned with an unfired rusty 6-year-old shotgun.
After a while you forget you even have it....
Was it a "marine" version?
@@bobby33x97 Nope, just a standard Mossberg 500. It's not that rusty. I'd feel safe firing it, but still haven't felt the need...
@@rwess Always good to put a few rounds through a couple of times a year & a little coat of oil.
Thanks for watching…
Toys that look like real guns have gotten many people killed. This is a terrible idea.
Well im guessing your not gonna do alot when unwanted people board your boat with bad intentions. Ive had to kill 2 people trying to harm me but i used my spearguns
The only thing that de-escalates an escalation is superior firepower. I’m not saying you need to greet everyone with a firearm but a real one should be close by because someone who means to do you harm isn’t going to be swayed by a toy gun. I hope your boat is fast.
K.M. Haswell If the value of your life is only worth protecting with a pellet gun that’s a choice you make. My life and those around me are worth a lot more and deserve more protection.
If I'm going to pull a weapon on someone it will be as a last resort. Then I want something that will inflict the most damage. There are a number of stainless steel options out there be it shotgun, .556 or auto loading hand gun. When push comes to shove you need to be serious. An air gun is a joke.
Good point!!!
This topic, especially with cruisers (Husband & Wife) - Always kind and giving. On topic intruders and thieves I have a VERY bright light and a SALT pepper gun a paint gun-type protection that is non-lethal. I am a retired ARMY Ranger, I will do whatever it takes NOT to be taken by pirates.
Thanks for the comment,and for watching. -Rebecca
Check out camping perimeter defense trip lines. You just run a piece of fishing line at ankle height around whatever you want to protect and tie off to a cotter pin in a small block that holds a 12 gauge shotgun blank, when the line is tripped, Big Bang! Modern version of Slocums carpet tacks!
Check out my video about setting up basic security on a sailboat. We use a thin trip line to a large clothes pin, which is the electrical connection and 110db alarm with 9 volt battery.
hi point 9mm $150. they are reliable, and sinkable if necessary, no major loss.
Sounds good if you want a real gun. But still probably get you hard prison time if not declared. And if declared probably taken away so you don’t have it if you want it. A quandary for sure. -Rebecca
Kuuryo Yes...sinkable is good unless you are in an 8 foot slip or anchorage ;) But then again a floating one isn’t gonna be much better unless there is a good current running ;) Thanks for your comments...all thought provoking ;) -Rebecca
That was fascinating and the sales guy was very patient and knowledgeable. Thank you.
Keith, we were very impressed with Zane and feel very fortunate he was there that day. The sales people rotate to different stores to give others a day off.
I liked the pepper spray paint balls. What a great deterrent. Add a laser pointer to the front and I could see that as an effective deterrent as well. My son owned a few Air-Soft guns which are quite impressive. These type of guns are different from the CO2 power guns you featured and are quite effective. He had a MP5 look alike air soft machine gun which could fires hundreds of pellets a minute. The amount of shots you can dish out is crazy and will definitely confuse and panic the petty criminal. If fired at someone's head it could cause serious to fatal injury. As mentioned by many, the well armed gang type thugs will likely not be deterred to them and only escalate the situation. Great topic for conversation. Fair winds PCS.
Glad you understood the point of I all...to open discussions...yeah those Pepperballs are pretty impressive! And yes...agreed...if the come armed...forget all of these options! -Rebecca
Absolutely Essential information for safety! Good Job!
Thank you, Susan and Barry.
I am glad you distinguish between the heavy armed pirates and the common thieves . i live in africa and know these guys do not flinch to take a life in fact they will do it jokingly with as much suffering inflicted as possible, you won't have a chance against weapons like RPG 7 and ak47. if an RPG hits your boat it's not like the movies a lot of smoke and a tiny hole and . You will have more hole than boat left. As I have been an instructor on both of these weapons ( I fought on the good side before anybody starts to condemn me) I know what they can do if properly used. Just pray you never get into that situation.
i dont know if the plastic boat will even activiate the fuse.
whats the shooting distance for a pirate RPG? 300m max. and the propability of hitting?
if you are serious you could get a powerfull rifle and start putting holes in their bridge windows at ~2km-
I will not allow myself, my loved ones or my dog to be defended by a CO2 pistol. If you are going to brandish something it better be able to back up its perceived threat. And mam, I wouldn't hesitate to eliminate anyone boarding my boat uninvited regardless of what they wanted. If they don't come back often enough then maybe the others will think twice about piracy.
True…
Also for self-defense you can use speargun, flare gun, fire extinguisher, and all of the above may be on board absolutely legally.
Flare guns are very illegal in many countries and to use one as a defense will save your immediate situation but land you in a shit hole jail for a long time. Same for a spear gun. The laws are different everywhere you go.
Taxom Love the fire extinguisher idea ;)
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Wouldn't that be the case if there was anyone left alive to testify against you? Dead people tell no tales.
JPX4 pepper spray. Shoots 23 feet in a stiff wind, delivers a heck of a pepper gel punch, and is quickly reloadable. You'd have eight shots between the two of you, and give you time to get to your hidden pistol-grip 12-gauge Marine Shotgun.
Will check that out! -Rebecca
I think a flamethrower that uses your on board fuel (If mixed with oil it would burn on water) would be a good deterrent that would give even the larger fishing boats trouble. Just a demonstration would probably be enough to prevent boarding. And it could be "just a part of your equipment". No guns to get in trouble for.
My thoughts exactly. Plenty of fuel and pumps on board. Throw out a 20 or 30 foot flame when another boat gets close and they will turn around. When not in use, it would look like standard marine equipment.
Interesting idea
A man i ran into many years ago kept his dihgy petrol in a marked weed sprayer cylinder with a vented cap. Took him 30 seconds to turn t into a pretty mean flamethrower.
What a concept!
Two Mossy Mariner 590 12ga pumps and 4 9mm handguns hidden in the most strategic locations (kitchen, bathroom, rooms etc.) with two mags each. 4 bear mace canisters two of which emit a dense fog which essentially takes down intruders and occupants alike. 4 level3 soft body armor slip on vests as well. Above all of that however is multiple plans/scenarios that have been often rehearsed. Only and only when loss of life is eminent. With that said we have never been boarded, and call me crazy if you like, but when you 50-100 miles off shore with 4 beautiful women (1 wife and 3 daughters) and a son who will pass down your name, you tend to get your plans in place...just in case.
You must have a HUGE boat to carry that much defense just for thieves! If our boat had 4 bear mace cylinders we would have more Mace than fire extinguishers! And more body armor vests than life jackets! And 6 guns? Are your Daughers gonna have one each as well, since you and your wife would have to both be shooting double fisted at these petty thieves? What an image!
You must think we are talking about Somali Pirates or something and/or you go the very dangerous areas with your family! ...that’s all I can imagine because all we are talking about are unarmed pirates who want to take your cell phone ;) -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Well, it was you guys who asked for feedback. Most people are not comfortable with firearms and some are. My family is, and they are considered a tool only. You your self said 2 of the 5 people didn't come back. So....what do you mean "just want to take your cell phone"? You have multiple videos on the "dangers" and I agree there is. Unlikely I know but that is exactly why I am prepared the way I am. I am planning on coming back, or not going at all. The reason for multiple arms is because like a home invasion you are likely to be in the kitchen in the event of a break in, or maybe your asleep, there is where you will find 2 of the 4. My family (4 brothers and 1 sister) share a Passport 40. BTW nobody "double fists" handguns.
The part in the beginning said the video is NOT about that kind of pirate...not the kind our friends found...that’s a whole other video that we aren’t qualified to present because we try to never sail in areas like that, and if we did, we aren’t comfortable with firearms until absolutely plan Z. You had mentioned 4 beautiful women...wife and 3 daughters so it was a great image of all of them handling the guns ... made me grin ;)
I see now that it’s multiple families on the boat. Not all at once I hope! And you could really all of those weapons and vests and ammo on a Passport 40. I thought our boat had a lot of storage, but now I want a Passport 40 if can fit months of food, years of spare parts and tools, clothes, all the other boat crap AND all those weapons. Very Impressed! -Rebecca
Why not just install a tripod mounted Barrett .50 so you can shoot down helicopters too?
@@PuntBamaPunt1972 That would be ridiculous. A Browning m1919 would make much more sense for that platform.
I have read the comments and I still come to the conclusions that I would rather have a .45 acp with FMJ and risk the consequences and know I have the ability to defend my wife and I rather then just hope a toy works
It's amazing what you can hide behind a single layer of easy to break fiberglass and some paint...
@@DFMurray Make aure you disguise the scent as well.......
Yep
just remember a lot of these pirates have heaps of guns and rpg's .As patrick said you will get a few shots off .Our vessels is a 66ft and we thought about having razor wire and if it came to it we would ram them and launch flares .But the best defense is a good knowledge of where the pirates are and stay away .We have rebreathers that last 6 hours per charge so if worst came to worst just jump over board and stay submerged till they leave then surface and deploy the epirb
Thanks for watching…
I couldn't imagine circumnavigating the planet and not being armed. I do respect everyone's personal decisions and beliefs, but there is no way I would do that. Maritime laws give precedent to the laws of the nearest country in the waters you're sailing, so if you sail in the waters of countries who have banned guns and you abide by their laws, your life may eventually be at the mercy of criminals. These laws need to be changed. If you are on YOUR boat, you should have the legal right to defend yourself with lethal force.
We are in S.Africa right now. Every day locals are arrested for having an unlicensed fire arm. That means, if you shoot an intruder on your boat, you will be going to jail for an unlicensed fire arm, if not for more serious crimes. Just like in the U.S., where a person protecting can quickly become the defendant, it happens in other countries. It is a difficult situation. Certainly, bear spray is a good neutralizer to start with. But, each to his own.
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Yeah, and I know that's gotta be tough. I'm in Texas. We don't play that. Good bless America and have safe travels.
I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 I’ll never go without guns.
@@justindowden2985 Justin, you obviously have not lived on a sailboat and cruised to all these shit hole countries. Many crouising destinations away from the U.S. are countries that have a judicial system no way similar to the U.S.. You are guilty till proven innocent. You will sit in a shit hole prison for years till your trial comes up. There often is no jury, just a judge. If you are fortunate enough to pay him off, you might have a hope of going free, but much, much, poorer. If you ever do get a sail boat and cruise the world, be very, very, careful how you handle a difficult situation and don't become a criminal yourself.
Seems to me that someone should decide whether they are prepared, equipped and trained, to use deadly force or not. I’m not supporting one argument or the other... however, if you’ve decided NOT to equip and escalate to deadly force, then you should NOT have replicas on board either. If someone doesn’t want to risk having firearms on board, then neither should they wield a non-lethal lookalike- that will just risk them being shot by someone who IS carrying a real gun. Like you said in the intro, if the bad guys are well armed, you’re tough out of luck... no point in escalating a bad situation by threatening someone with a weapon that can’t actually follow through...
That’s the concern. Thanks for your comment. Lots to think about here -Rebecca
Do you think the glass balls would punch a hole in a 3 cm fiberglass hull? Seems like those crossbow arrows would do the job. The attackers might be distracted if their boat started sinking. Excellent video.
Thanks for the positive response! Sometimes I wonder if anyone even wants to know these kinds of ideas that not many people talk about. It’s not suppose to be the gospel...just some ideas...maybe some entertainment too ;)
I’m not sure exactly what’d they would punch holes in...the guy definitely said it would break bones...but that it wouldn’t penetrate deeply in to the skin I think...so it must be an impact cracking kind of thing...not a straight hole...I would guess...good question...I may go back and ask him exactly that! Yeah, if he is sinking, he may take pause...Thanks again for watching. -Rebecca
Covering all bases is difficult, if not impossible. But determining the danger of a threat in real time will not often offer the option of going from one plan of defense to another realistically. Sort of like going to a dinner party dressed casual, and finding out is a formal affair.
One idea may be an affordable pump shotgun that could be dispensed with if necessary. The key here is in the loading. You can load non-lethal rounds early ( I am told your can load your own rounds with rock salt), that will lead to buckshot, or slugs.
Lets not forget that firing high is an option that will prove serious intent quite well. Getting live fire experience would be of great importance, if not a mandatory consideration when opting to carry.
Thanks for bringing the issue forward.
Wasp spray to the eyes,cheap easy to find. Some will spray 30 feet very and not illegal.
Great great idea...everyone should have that on a sailboat, along with Bear Spray! -Rebecca
For those thinking of using a paintball gun on a boat, keep in mind those paintballs do not mix well with humidity. They would have to be kept in a very dry container, and probably a cooled container, depending on your climate. If they get damp they will start melting and will gum up your guns workings and barrel, making it inoperable in short order.
Good information. I have been thinking, to keep my camera lenses out of humidity, to store them in a plastic container with an air extractor valve attachment, like what is used on wine bottles, with a little extraction pump. Might also work for paint balls.
use reball
A "supersoaker" watergun should be legal anywhere. Keep a bottle of ammonia for a fast fill and aim at faces. 25' range.
NYC cabbies sometimes carry a spray bottle filled with ammonia to "clean the windshield".
Great idea. Thanks!
Love it! -Rebecca
Diesel fuel!
A flame thrower!
it would be easily dismantled, thus not a flame thrower. All you need is diesel or gasoline pressurized by propane. Use a traditional air hose with special fittings for the gun. I made one out of a 10 gallon portable air tank, air hose, a ball valve for safety, and a pistol grip handle from a high pressure sprayer. Also had to drill out the tip to make it larger.
1. Purge tank of all air(oxygen) with propane.
2.fill 1/2 of tank with fuel
3. Pressurize to 100 psi with propane. (Do not use air, you will create a very unstable potential bomb. In fact it could explode without any detonation if it was over 180 psi and hot)
4. Open ball valve
5.Purge air from hose with gun trigger
6. Now all you need is a way to ignite the fuel.
7. And never shoot Into the wind. 😁
Happy pirate roasting!
Note: Even Elon Musk likes flame throwers.
Hmmmm, interesting idea.
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This is dangerous thinking. My first thought is to just sail different waters. These toys and less lethal options you are looking at will just get you killed. You ever hear the phrase "Better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by six"?
If you are going to carry...just carry. Aquire the knowledge, tools and training to either run or lethally engage...but dont fiddle with the grey areas.
There are thieves everywhere my friend. We aren’t talking about pirates off the Somali coast. We once scared away a pirate guy up to no good with a camera. The flare didn’t scare him, nor did our yelling at him. Only the camera. These are the kinds of pirates we are talking about. -Rebecca
Did I understand you correctly, you're suggesting the use of non-lethal weapons instead of live ammunition if being attacked? I'm not too sure I understand that reasoning.
You are right, you did not understand correctly. Please watch the video again but pay special attention to the beginning, before entering the store. If you have any questions then, we would be happy to answer them.
What about the "gray guy" approach? In urban prep we talk a lot about making sure you don't stand out - don't wear tactical gear - don't dress in black etc... What about the same concept in sailing? What would make a boat "less" attractive to possible thieves. What about rigging your boat with a deck alarm system (if such a thing exists??) while you are sleeping? - Just some thoughts and ideas of non lethal approaches.
All great ideas and why we like to anchor near big expensive catamarans that are shiny in contrast with our cosmetically challenged boat. But we also leave the cockpit light on when in a dodgy area as well as other deterrents. See our video on Security on Sailboats, video #10. 8 other boats in a mooring area had been broken into; we were the first to repel them .
What ever you use, training is a must. Develop training drills and do them often. Second nature muscle memory. Consult a professional.
Well said
I'm sure a lot of this depends on jurisdiction. The way I see it, lethal force should only be used down in the cabin. If someone is approaching, their intent may still be friendly, Shout. If they attempt to board the boat, flee into the cabin and lock yourself and your expensive possessions in. That will stop anyone armed with machetes or less. Their only option at that point is wait, leave, or to start hacking away at the companionway door. If they are armed with real lethal guns, they may open fire on the boat hoping to hit something, now lethal force is authorized. If they hack the door to pieces and get in, lethal force is authorized.
This is my opinion and not to be taken as legal advice, but I'll also say this: I may be walking away in handcuffs, but at least I'm not being carried away in a body bag.
disagree no closer than 500 yards-u have no idea what their intensions are.there are no witnesses I guarantee they are up to no good if they need help call on the radio/phone etc.
Wasp/hornet spray works very well. Aim for the face they will hit the dirt. It isnt harmful long term and you cangoogle a MSD sheet for it. Shoots 30-40 feet. And cheap and leagle every where.
If the choice is him or me . I’d like to try and make it him !
Yep
Just a tool in a box. Thanks I didn't know they made tactical paint ball gun rounds good to know. This took me down a road that ended at 12v portable electric anti bear fencing. Not sure if you could get that to work on a boat due to proper grounding. Thoughts?
I would love to have a 12 volt anti bear fence. I will definitely google that.
Yes that fencing will work. In fact I am planning on this on our boat. The wiring is slightly different . Instead of using an earth ground
You would be running a parallel wire with the line/load wire .This feeds back to the negative terminal.
I plan on boasting the out put with larger capacitors.
Let me tell you..
I have tested.....yes personally NOT PLEASENT something i care NOT to try again🤯
I assure you it will stop anyone trying to board your boat in there tracks
Fairwinds
@@jimanderson2518 good to know. Thanks
@@jimanderson2518 Good idea, but be careful to keep the entire circuit isolated from the vessels bonded metal fittings. The high frequency used to step up the 12 volts to a level that would be useful would cause extensive and rapid electrolytic corrosion of your underwater fittings. Even if the electric current is rectified there will still be a stray AC current induced onto the vessel ground.
@@jimanderson2518 - So ummm.. how do you convince the bad guys to touch both wires at the same time?
Being that it is for boat defense you pretty much are dead if they insist on taking it or holding you hostage because as with most criminal elements, they don't care if their weapons are legal. For the amateurs you have options. Think grizzly perimeter with engaging your battery bank to work with stanchion wires etc. Next the flare gun should be robust even for safely signals but there is a lot of play there so think about it. A shark "bang stick" is as effective as a shotgun up close and is a good excuse to carry shotgun shells. Finally Wasp spray is the most effective to the eyes. It blinds and cannot be washed out with water. Perfectly legal. No solution is perfect but ideas never hurt. Stay safe.
Exactly right...the more ideas the better! -Rebecca
Some plan is better than no plan!
you have a noble idea here. having a paint ball field myself, i would have never considered keeping a paint ball marker (gun) on board.
however, there are a few considerations your expert didn't explain. I'll help to explain them for you.
first off, saftey:
according the the "bible of paintball" that insurance companies recognize (I don't recall the author), the maximum safe speed (foot per second) is 300 fps. We keep our markers (a politically correct term for paintball gun) tuned at 285, knowing paint is not exact in size allowing for variables. 10 years ago most markers where sold new at speeds above 300. the recent year or two we have learned the speeds are much lower, closer to 200 or 225. almost too slow to break paint or even hurt.
additionally, some overly aggressive players are known to freeze their paint, making it much more painful, even deadly if struck at close range in the adams apple, eye or temple. it is not safe for recreational use.
Boating cautions:
first off, get a quality marker (paint ball gun) that is religiously reliable. BT ("Battle Tested", designed and built by Ben Tippman) are ultra reliable. LIkewise so are Tippman Paintball markers (originally designed by Bill Tipmann but now built with inferior quality control) are still higher quality than the majority of paintball markers sold at box stores (walmart, dunhams sporting goods, Dicks sporting goods, and the likes there of). It does no good to have a paintball gun that may, or may not function when needed. there are other high quality markers that paint ball fields can recommend. rest assured, if the paintball field is renting them out, they are of the highest quality and lowest maintenance, except electronic markers (stay away from electronic paintball guns for boat use).
Heat.
Paintballs are not stable in temperature above 80 degree's or so. nor are they stable after they have been frozen. Likewise, when shot they "chop" or break paint, which usually clogs the barrel making the marker temporarily nonfunctional.
Quality Paint:
the box stores sell very expensive paint, in fancy packaging that is grossly inferior and has a limited shelf life. to have reliable paint it is always best to go to a paint ball field and buy "field paint" Their low grade paint is better quality than the box stores most expensive paint (in most situations). for boat use, I would recommend the fields premium paint, which has: the longest shelf life, the most heat resistance, and the most reliablity overall.
Boat use for self defense:
I would personally recommend that the paintball markers be cranked to their almost highest velocity, which would normally be about 350foot per second. I would recommend that paint be kept refrigerated in the warmer climates, so it has not been damaged from excess heat.
the use of fully automatic paintball markers (guns) sounds nice, except there is a high failure rate of the electronics, and the batteries that control them. likewise I do not suggest them, rather then semi automatics. with minimal practice the semi automatic markers can be extremely fast shooting and much more reliable.
the colder the paint is, the harder it hits, the more pain and fear it inflicts. but frozen paint becomes distorted (wrinkled) when it's thawed, likewise loses velocity, and often breaks or "chops" plugging up (clogging) the barrel, rendering the marker useless until it has been cleaned.
All great information. Zain did mention a pressure control but did not go into details about it. Paintball Marker. I will now use that term. It is like a Flair Gun should be called a Flair Launcher. I think for a cruisers use, actual paint balls would be of little use. The "glass breaker" and pepper balls would serve a purpose. Interesting to note the difference in quality in the markers. Thanks for all your great, additional, information.
Thank you for this. As I prepare for global cruising, this is something I think about. Especially what is legal for crossing multiple jurisdictions. Even a flare gun is not legal in some places. (But perhaps not rocket flares?)
From your Blue Water Sailing article I know you’ve had some success with a laser to ward off those fishing boats looking for good luck. Of course, this option may not deter someone who is determined/desperate.
A speaker at a cruising seminar spoke convincingly of wasp spray being highly effective, and preferable to bear spray/pepper gel. *EDIT: Since writing this I've been looking into using wasp spray for self defense and it's not at all clear this is a viable option.
The challenge with any chemical deterrent (pepper spray/gel, pepperballs, wasp spray, etc.) is the potential dilemma when the assailant is upwind. Yes the gel is better than spray for this situation but there is still a non-zero risk.
Another speaker suggested common household motion-activated lights for above-deck.
Joshua Slocum had carpet tacks for his deck.
Having some polypropylene on hand sounds like a great idea.
Final thought: I wonder what the statistics are, comparing the chances of encountering a bad situation while cruising vs. while staying in one’s home country. On the other hand, once you’re in that situation, statistics are irrelevant.
Like at home, you lock your house and car doors so why not do the same with the doors on a boat, yet many cruisers do not. Precautions need to be taken everywhere in life, even on a sailboat.
In my past with Key West my base, I did a lot of cruising mostly South/Central America, the Bahamas and the Caribbean 1973 to 1984. In most of these places, you have to take care of situations yourself with no one to call for help! I had an Ithaca pump 12 gauge stainless steel teak stock shotgun six 3 inch magnum rounds in the tube one in the chamber. The round in the chamber was a slug to shoot at the waterline and the rest were 00 Buck with 16 50 g pellets out the barrel at 1,550 fps. I also had a stainless 8 inch barrel S&W 357 mag revolver to strap on my hip. Twice while gunk holed two different locations/countries, I saw a speed boat coming fast to our little bay that looking threw binoculars. One I saw guns and the other time I saw bandoleers with bullets down the front. Got my guns and standing on the deck shot a 357 round into the water to get the attention of the other boat there. When the approaching boats saw with their glass us on deck armed, they turned about looking for easier fish. I had motion actuated lights on each side of my mast 6 ft above the deck put on in 1980. During one night at anchor, I was awakened with the light on that I scrambled to the cockpit with my shotgun seeing a boat with no lights on approaching but seeing the situation not to their favor, turned about. I don't know what the laws/regs are now, but back then I defended myself and companion.
Simple, DON'T have a big expensive boat. Small boats get left in peace. Even the t-shirt sellers give me a pass!
I agree completely. Our boat is cosmetically challenged and I like to keep it that way. We do like to anchor near those floating bank vaults. Years ago, I used to walk the mean streets of Colon, Panama. I went where even the locals warned me not to go. But I wore old jeans, old shirt, I had no watch or anything else to steal. My wallet was in a front pocket. Never a problem. I looked poorer than the others on the street.
Yes..that helps a LOT...though to many people on land, they don’t know that smaller means poorer...and the poorest dumpiest boats are often still seen as much richer than locals. Or if you are the only boat in the harbor...the littlest one is the biggest one ;) -Rebecca
'totally agree: don't flaunt it. And in some places, any ocean-going boat is still a 'yacht'.
This is kinda crazy. The best defense is to avoid dangerous areas. Raising the violence level with pepper spray may have unintended escalation of violence.
true, but sadly that would see many urban marinas on the US east coast, urban Florida....clear out.
Slow Boat Sailing yep...but almost impossible to avoid dangerous areas these days...everywhere has that potential, unfortunately. -Rebecca
Yea
Excellent salesman!
We got very lucky Zane was there that day.
Can you do a lethal version? Specifically what to do with your weapons when you head in to port as far as customs. I'm sure it is different in each country, but general advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
If you enter with a firearm you are required to declare it to customs, and the police or local offices will take it for holding until you leave, hence rendering it useless, you can't defend yourself if you have no gun onboard. Also, not declaring your guns is classed as weapons smuggling, which gets you a long prison sentence (and your boat confiscated) in many countries. Short version is: In every country you would most prefer to have a gun handy, the authorities will lock it away (usually off the boat) until the day you leave. And they won't take care of it. You'll be lucky if it isn't rusty when you go to collect it.
Thanks for watching…
Great stuff... but just don't even think of entering any British or ex British territories with them - you will find yourself in a whole heap of trouble. The UK does not recognise Self Defence beyond very limited hand contact - and any device no matter how benign deemed for such purpose is regarded as an offensive weapon - even a chair leg... (unless your sitting on it) We are a total nanny state here. A French cruising friend of ours got into a heap of hot water when UK Customs found a small folding lock knife in their emergency grab bag. Europe is a little more flexible but anything resembling a firearm would create a flap likely to find you face down on the floor.
So true
I would not want anything on my boat that looks like a gun: crossing borders is a hassle, and if you point something that *looks* like a gut at someone, they might reply with something that *is* a gun. Id prefer a harpoon (without the cord, though, cos this would make the arrow bounce back at you), and a slingshot as is used for fish bait (my excuse for carrying it on the boat) plus a couple of half inch hexnuts.
Perfect...yes...we have concluded that we don’t really want anything that looks like a gun on the boat, for the dame reasons you have stated above. But something that looks like it may kill you or light your boat on fire and actually do it,that is completely legal to have...well..that’s the ticket isn’t it? -Rebecca
My experience is the fishermen want cigarettes and/or rum and can’t understand why you’d be scared
That is your experience and generally is the case. And now we are hearing more yacht disappearances and deaths at the hands of fishermen near Honduras. Just because the worst has not happened to you does not mean you can discount the experiences of others.
Frank, is this the Frank D I know? Hot Tub, Finally, etc?
Very well done video and commentary, I still think a Dry Powder Fire Extinguisher backed up with a small speargun with 2 or 3 spare spears kept in each sleeping berth are the easiest for IN Cabin protection (A small speargun like a "Mares Sten Pneumatic Spear Gun", 42cm, is a fishing item so I believe legal most parts of the world over). An ability to sound off your ships horn while in your cabin thereby telling others around you you have unwanted visitors also scaring off the opportunists.
For repeal borders, above deck, I like an ability to activation the ships horn on a repeating short blast, backed up by a flare gun to shoot at their boat (handheld fare if above deck to repeal borders) and normal speargun for above deck use manly on their outboard motor (line not connected).
Ian, all good ideas, some of which we do employ. Spear guns can be illegal in some countries, like the Bahamas. I don't ask so can't say what other countries frown on spear guns. Certainly the barb should be taken off the spear. I know a cruiser who used bear spray on an intruder in his cockpit. The cruiser said the bear spray is extremely effective. Once released, no one could be in that area. Thanks for your comment.
I know it sounds foolish to try & fight pirates, but if I were sailing, I would have a plan, and make up my mind ahead of time...I will fight, like a spartan to the death!
Customize your storage more discreetly, declare nothing, and the only issue you might have would be leaving one alive, so don't. Being on lethal if you can, get trained on letgal methods, but in a real situation you often only have time to use one. Dead men tell no tales.
That is the consensus of several of the cruisers I have spoken with.
And make damned sure you chop up the bodies and sink their vessel.
that gun salesman is top notch I would buy a gun from him just to help his business. says at 30 feet the BB will pierce the skin kind of like a divot
Yeah...we thought about it and thought about it, and could just not get comfortable with having a weapon on the boat. Or at least not an Illegal weapon on the boat. -Rebecca
Hey guys. Good video. Thanks. My wife and I intend to go cruising in a year or so. Self-defense is something I've been thinking about. While I'd prefer to carry firearms, unfortunately it's just not a viable option when visiting foreign countries. My thinking is that prior to to the invention of firearms, the most deadly weapons were: bow and arrow, spear and sword. I think a compound bow would discourage anyone armed with anything less than a firearm. A spear and/or a sword would give you a definite advantage over someone armed with a machete or knife. Some training on how to use these weapons would be highly desirable. A molotov cocktail would keep attacker's on a boat that has rammed you "distracted" for a while. I like your idea of using a paintball gun with pepper balls or glass-breaker balls. If you're up against a boatload of "pirates" armed with Kalashnikov's, then you are just f*cked. Anyone with any actual, real-world experience of carrying a firearm on a cruising boat in foreign countries?
Hi Steve...I’m glad you are thinking about it...you likely will be thinking and fine tuning it the whole time you are cruising. The world is certainly not getting safer. We have always thought about it, and this video is another in a series of thought trains ;) What some are responding with is of merit for sure...I’ve learned a lot reading all the comments. We of course all have to do what we are comfortable with, but I’m thinking...nothing that looks like a gun...but something to shoot those pepperballs out towards them and their boat would definitely have some advantages. Mostly I just want things to keep them OFF the boat. Once they are on, And have vicious intent, I think locking ourselves below is really the way to go...with some bear spray to shoot out the window at them, maybe...
But if we find out they have guns...hide!!! Patrick probably feels a little differently and would probably die trying to protecting me, the boat, the cat...but I’d hope he would hide with me!!! We will definitely be visiting that store before we go, but don’t think we will get anything that resembles a gun, unless maybe it’s pink ;) . -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife there is a spray paint that can be used on plastic that will not deteriorate the material
I don’t think I would get any thing that looks like a real gun, could turn out very bad very quickly! Watching parlay revival, he sailed 120 miles out away from Honduras with no problem, so stay away from where the bad people are!
I would put picture of mother in law around my boat. That woman's face would scare off anyone
Haha
The real problem with weapons on boats is that each country has its own list of illegal and restricted weapons and very few effective deterrents are allowed globally. Pepper spray, spear guns, all types of bows, bb, paintball, potato/spud guns, tasers and homemade flame throwers will get you in trouble in the wrong place. You can do the research for each country you visit and equip accordingly or use a deterrent that is not considered a weapon anywhere. In the video pepper spray was mentioned and would be effective if it was modified into a long range sprayer with a large tank of pepper spray. Also be sure you are sailing upwind or you might just be spraying yourself. There are very few legal options for defending yourself, which is what governments and criminals want.
Exactly. Did you catch the part about the pepper gel? That seemed like a good idea. Of course it’s illegal,in a lot of countries. They took our pepper spray away in New Zealand. Thanks for watching! Rebecca
Aaron Farquhar,
You are so right. Here in the USA, we are in a constant fight with bleeding heart commies and the criminals they love so much. It is disgusting how so many around the world consider an unarmed, beaten, raped, and murdered victim to be morally superior to a live and well armed victim standing over a dead criminal, pirate, or terrorist. The USA really needs to get its act together and enforce our 2A rights. The rest of the world needs to follow. There really is nothing scary about normal, sane people armed with .50 BMG sniper rifles, machine guns, and grenade launchers to defend themselves against pirates with. It is the pirates who need to be disarmed and better yet, executed. As for those aforementioned terrorists posing as police, they are nothing more than targets to be splashed. This world will be a far better place once decent people come to understand that there are defective psychotic individuals among us that don't deserve to be called "human." Those defective psychotic individuals must be exterminated before they can harm others or even be allowed to breed.
Anyone tries to board my boat is in for one helluva surprise I got a few spear guns, crossbows, co2 paintball ,flares guns and assorted other fun surprises
Intent is hard to figure out forsure, so is capability, and proximity
bucket head yes...you must listen to your intuition on these kinds of things for sure. Thanks for watching. Rebecca
Easy peasy! Bear spray. Like a mace bottle just 10 times the size and huge pattern!! 👍
I know a cruiser who shot a person in the chest with Bear Spray while the intruder was standing in the cockpit. He said, immediately, no one could be in the area and the thieves quickly had to leave.
I like the idea of a water gun. Filled with gasoline and a flare
Ha! - Rebecca
Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun with an 8 round capacity; rubber slugs, plastic shot, pepper spray slugs, rock salt; things get serious, 00 buck. Somebody tries to board my boat there is no negotiation , if that country wants to put me in jail, at least I'll still be alive to be put in jail.
Jeff, in many of these shit hole countries, you are guilty till proven innocent. People sit in prison for years before their trial comes up. It can be a real nightmare. These places have very broken judicial systems and are nothing like in the U.S.. Be careful if you ever sail off to another country.
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Thanks, I'm 65 so I think I'll explore the west coast of the U.S., there's enough there to keep me busy, and I can smoke cannabis and have a gun and do whatever I want
Great video, nothing to complain about regarding the sound either. Stacks of good notions coming out in the comments too.
Zain is going to be flooded with customers...
I certainly hope Zane and the others in the store do well, especially in October when the world cruisers start to show up. If I ever wanted to work in a similar store, I would watch Zane's presentation over and over again to catch all of his little selling points and mannerisms.
If you ever find yourself in a situation in which you feel threatened enough to reach for a weapon, the last thing you want is a toy.
If you find yourself boarded by customs officers... the last thing you want is a gun.... And that is more likely than piracy
@@uprightfossil6673 Not unless you officially declare your firearms. There is no maritime law prohibiting carrying firearms by any given vessel in neutral waters. You may be asked to have your firearms impounded by customs for the time you are ashore, or get them locked and sealed in a gun cabinet on the boat until you depart. This depends on the country. Any country has the right to refuse a call on their port, but no country can confiscate your declared firearms and not return them to you upon departure, unless it's a dump hole country like Somalia or something like that.
When facing down the lights of foreign LEOs the last thing you want is a real weapon. Best to have Jesus or you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
@@uprightfossil6673 - Yes , but the consequences are more important in those few cases.
Good points guys
In addition to my comments on shopping in Australian ports in Richards provisioning video, a word about guns on your yacht if you enter an Australian port.
Firearms can be purchased, licensed and used in Australia. Obtaining a license is a lengthy and expensive exercise for a citizen, let alone a visitor. Handguns are incredibly difficult to obtain, even legally. Firearms can only be used for basically two reasons. Target shooting and hunting. You cannot use a gun for self defence, nor can you carry one in public. You cannot have a gun on a yacht if you enter an Australian port. If you have one, its the very first thing you have to declare. It will probably be confiscated. They used to just impound them and hand them back when you leave. No longer. If you hide the gun and Border Protection search and find it, and they will use a dog to do that and you will go to jail. I'm not making this up.
When you enter a port that has a Border Protection office, most likely they will know who you are already. If you have had to declare a weapon at a port in a surrounding country, then they will know. Its on the database. So review your need for a weapon.
In all my years of sailing, the only area where I felt the need was in East Africa. But I never did anyway.
More good info...thanks for the comment. Patrick says thanks too ;) -Rebecca
It's your word against theirs.
Yes. And then the officials search you :) -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Two pieces of pipe and an endcap isn't a firearm, but it can be and it's cost next to nothing if it has to be thrown overboard because it was used as a firearm. If not used and or put together it's not a firearm. The lead could also be taken out so it's just a blank for sending a message. Avoid problems where possible. czcams.com/video/7Va87gB_4AI/video.html
Always very knowledgeable!!!
Thanks for the comment. Weapons on sailboats always brings so many negative comments...we are glad to read your positive one ;) -Rebecca
Co2 powered toys for self defense??? No thanks....
Thanks for watching…
Love your videos, including this one. However, while I respect your opinion greatly, I don't agree with the comments that you can't defend yourself against an armed attacker. I do understand that this video is about theft prevention. This is a far more likely occurrence than an attack on the open ocean. Impoverished, low grade harbor thugs are far more common than real pirates. This actually a danger that goes back since boats were invented.
What some don't understand is that this is when whatever guns you have on board are either impounded or under a customs seal. Also, if you go through the hassle of bringing a gun, nothing freaks out local authorities like some of the paramilitary weapons civilians can buy in the states, or just about any handgun. A shotgun is plenty if you want to carry a gun on board and not that uncommon. Some places like Mexico don't care if you declare the gun or not. If you have it, you had better have a Mexican firearms permit or a Mexican hunting license and be bringing no more than 50 rounds of ammo into their country. Having one is often something of a hassle. If you have a single 'sporting' long arm and you declare it, the Mexicans will sometimes just take it and give you a pass on it, once. Paramilitary style weapons or handguns.... you are humped.
Also, what many don't realize is that the USA is just as draconian on non-resident foreigners who come into the USA with a gun.
Attacks out on the open ocean, where a gun can be very effective if you are trained to use it, are statistically very rare. However, here are incidents of people on yachts successfully defending themselves with guns against armed attackers. Many reports show most pirates typically backing away from an encounter at the first sight of the intended victim being armed. They are in this for money, not glory. Some have found that carrying and openly displaying a training replica or realistic looking toy assault rifle painted to look real got people to steer clear of them and left them alone.
The incident with the 47ft fiberglass yacht 'Gandalf' and the 45ft steel yacht 'Mahdi' fending off very heavily armed pirates at the Gulf of Aden with a single 12ga pump shotgun is a good example of using the boat as a weapon (ramming) in conjunction with a firearm. They were attacked by exceptionally well armed Arab water bandits in two skiffs, each with a belt fed machinegun and several men with AK's. At one point men with AK's actually tried to board Gandalf. Gandalf got some bullet holes but both American yachts left with one pirate skiff capsized (rammed by Gandalf) and the other adrift and smoking with no one moving or showing themselves (hosed down with 12ga buckshot from the skipper of Mahdi).
Pirates are not supermen, they are gutter level scum, often moonlighting fishermen, and not well trained. Unless you are off Somalia or a couple of other notorious hot spots, most are really not well armed. They also are not suicidal. Criminals with any real savvy and skills are making real money running drugs or hitting large merchant ships with $millions in cargo, not stealing grocery cash and watches from a yacht.
That said, the trouble areas for piracy are often well known and avoiding them doesn't detract from your fun. the first step to winning a fight is not having one.
asiffool Yes avoidance of those areas are the best idea, though often the true boundaries of their areas are not black and white. Yes once in a million, a true gun would be good to have, but do you carry one all the way around the world for you waiting for that one in a million, and go through all the BS of being legal with it, or the risk of being illegal with it?
This is all very interesting and terrifying to me too. I hope we are always dealing with the Un-Armed guys, like in this video, instead of the armed ones that you are talking of ;)
And every one that we have known personally that were armed were not even able to get it out. Many of the bad guys we have heard about from our travels don’t approach with guns and hostilely at all..they approach announcing they are the police and just want to see papers...or want to have some water to drink. Then suddenly...they change their minds. Those friends have had fake guns, real guns, no guns...It’s all a really tough situation...and with laws and justice being different in every country you go to, a very difficult thing to find an answer to. Yep, I suppose a real gun could help in one situation, hurt in another, get you killed in another...but I think mostly...get you killed, and/or put in jail for a very long time. Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife yes, pirates have been using those tactics for centuries, because they work. They have used those tactics for taking ships armed with multiple cannons and defended by dozens of men back in the day.
Most of the times a gun has been used to fend off an attack, the sailors shouldn't have even been there in the first place. The world has always been a dangerous place, and these days some places are a lot more dangerous than others.
Another thing many don't take into account is that you are essentially a foreign vacationer in someone else's country. When you get on a plane to visit some topical island, do you bring a gun with you? The locals aren't happy when you do that unless you are there on a hunting trip.
Guns on a boat, IMHO, can be incredibly useful when they are needed. However, due to the fact that normally you don't have access to them until you clear customs and leave, their use parameters are very specific and very narrow to the point where they are rarely needed. You stand a higher chance of being hit by lightning than being attacked by a pirate out on the open water.
However, the middle scenario here is what do you do if you are in a country's waters (guns, if you have them, are inaccessible) and some thug sneaks aboard at night to not just steal but to harm you. Do you grovel? Do you fight? While a lot of people don't carry guns, a lot of people keep a melee weapon or two handy for such times. However, that is another discussion altogether.
Be able to fire lots of heavy lead fast not freaking paintballs.
Thanks for watching…
A Shotgun is a real impressive weapon for one, not a toy, and the look at it may already deter people with bad intentions; loaded with solid rubber slugs or rubber or paper pellets, while not lethal, this can go a long way for self-defense purposes, especially when used within shorter ranges and smaller spaces, and enclosed quarters (boats or houses). After all, you won't want to use ammo that goes through house walls or boat hulls.
Good point...try to ward off an intruder and ruin your home (your boat) instead. That would be a bad tradoff! -Rebecca
Hello I got a 50 caliber rifle 500 round ban flash grenade 20 of them very expensive. The rifle has a infrared scope and it records, very expensive. Inside 600 yard I probably can keep the bad pirates from boarding for over 6 or 7 hours. Saludos
What do you with the thieves who have sneaked onto your boat in the middle of the night?
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife you take them with you. You say the pirates killed you friends. Stop rationalizing God give you a natural instinct to protect yourself family and friends. No mercy keep it to yourself no fear let them pirates fear you. Utilize technology given you the advantage. Saludos
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Wouldn’t sail anywhere that wouldn’t allow me to defend myself up to and including lethal
Guess you aren’t going anywhere ;) -Rebecca
Good video.....interesting....South Africa certainly is the place to investigate crowd control ammunition whether paint ball or other. Soon to be west coast USA sadly. Carrying a firearm is certainly a personal choice. An intruder hearing the racking of a pump shotgun would likely be overboard and swimming as fast as his skinny limbs would carry him! Perhaps a taped/ audio of a shotgun shell being chambered? Loud....but if inclined, an American company now makes Dragon's Breath (pepper) and other crowd control/ entertainment 12 gauge shells (including a Trump 2020 shell believe it or not, red/white/blue slugs in a clear shell). Paintball...close quarters on an intruder (vs armed pirate) might do the trick. Close quarters the paintballs hurt like heck (personal experience) and cause bruising....might be a way to assist the police (if willing) to identify a culprit. Anyhow....well done, well done Rebecca! Thanks, Andrew
Thanks for the video
Thank YOU for watching ;) -Rebecca
Correct Patrick a slingshot is banned in Australia, I would have the 6 shot paint ball gun loaded with pepper, and the full size paintball gun with solids if they didn't get the message with the pepper. obviously deep sixed before I arrive back in aus
Amazing hah?
I'm a little late to the party here. Three layers: 1. Robust non-lethal i.e., sensors, strobe lights, siren/whistle to warn you and make it uncomfortable for a thief/thug. You need this even in a 'good' neighborhood. 2. Rock solid risk assessment. 3. Be prepared to defend yourself inside your cabin if intruder gets that far. Plan for it, practice it, and make the decision ahead of time to execute it as violently as you can if someone gets indie your vital zone as defined by you. I'm a retired US Marine. I have no problems with firearms, but I personally would not carry them internationally. The odds seem to be very high you'd get caught with a firearm by customs, etc. Less risk of actually being attacked.
Finally, someone who has some common sense and understands what this video is about. Thanks for your comment. Did you recently read about the man in Great Britain who stabbed to death a home intruder who was armed and out to kill the home owner? At trial, the prosecutor turned the tables and the home owner is now in prison for murder. This can easily happen in any of these out of touch countries around the world.
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife England and Australia have some other most disgusting, pro-rapist, pro-mass-murderer protection laws anywhere. Their lawmakers love rapists and criminals and seem to write laws specifically to embolden criminals.
Brits and Australian lawmakers have ZERO concept of deterrence factors, only of how to victimize their citizens so their citizens will accept any mass video-surveillance, imprisonment of suspects without trial, unreasonable searches and seizures of property, etc, probably best to stay away from those type of places.
Yeah don't bring any weapons into Australia, period, or your dog our your cat or your vegetables and other food.
your also not allowed to defend yourself, you'll end up being charged for assault
You can bring weapons, just declare them and check the legislation for what’s allowed.
@@shanevillis4079
Ahhh, you might want to read up on that.
"Self defence is a legal defence against to a charge of causing injury or death in defence of the person or, to a limited extent, property, or a partial defence to murder if the degree of force used was excessive."
So long as the force used is reasonable and proportional you should be OK
Here is a scenario;
Idiot 1 swims out to your boat at anchorage, climbs aboard and starts rummaging about, he threatens you with a knife and gets clocked over the skull with an antique belaying pin you have as a keepsake from your visit to the Cutty Sark.
They're slippery as hell and they go over the side, you search about with your boat hook but are not willing to risk entering the water.
In this scenario the Department of Public Prosecutions would have a very hard time proving culpability on your part.
@@lancer2204 that's a very detailed scenario.... less paperwork for the officials, and 1 less bad guy... I mean figuratively speaking...
Same in California @@shanevillis4079
...well, for boats which are close or have already attached to your boat I would suggest breakable items like bulbs filled with fuel to throw to the other boat so when he does not turn off you throw a cigarette, but smelling the fuel I think that nobody will play any games with it and endanger to loose his boat and eventually his life...
Yep
I have to say something else also.
Regarding the volume of this video.
I put captions on because often times people make videos with low volume, and it makes me mad. And when you said this I put it on. ( some videos made by others, do not support this)
And I was pleasantly surprised. I had no problem hearing this video.
Thanks, Pycho, for your input.
Wait, what?
Wtf is the critter that’s running through background at 2:57 or so?
I know I should be paying attention to the whole guns and stuff, but what IS that?
(that’s no squirbo...)
That’s a monkey
Anyone else catch that huge cat that ran across the rear field of vision @ 2:57???
That was a monkey
Excellent info and ideas. Looking for ways to protect my family. Love it when people say how much of a free for all guns are in America. Simply not true.
Thanks for watching! -Rebecca
Read a book called "sailing alone around the world" by a guy called Cpt Joshua Slocum, describing his trip sailing solo in a 25' boat he'd built in the late 1890's.
When he was trying to get west along the Beagle Passage he had been advised by a mate in Argentina to sprinkle carpet tacks on his deck when moored at night to discourage nocturnal visitors. It worked for him in keeping the Terra Del Fuego indians away.
He also resorted to a gun for a another encounter, but this was a hundred + years ago, so he did outgun the indians.
Sharon's other 1/2
There are a lot of good, workable, options. Thanks for your comment.
Idea: Elon Musk Flamethrower.
Nobody is going to want to pull along side a boat with an operational flame thrower.
Lighting up the flame thrower in advance of an approaching boat would be very impressive, and I think, effective! -Rebecca
Immitation of a RPG to display... for armed pirates
What do you mean? -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife fake RPG = fake Bazooka. You show it from a geat distance and they go away fast....
Get what you can but good advice given in 12v6. Big deep ocean out there...
Hah?