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Mark: An Eyewitness Account
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- The Gospel of Mark is believed to be too late to be a reliable account of Jesus. However, the evidence suggests the opposite is true. Mark likely wrote his account by utilizing eyewitness testimony. His Gospel is a reliable account of Jesus. A special thanks to Stephen Boyce and Luuk ven de Weghe for helping with this video.
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"Mark is, in fact, based.."
Yes, I agree.
@@lemonsquidsec lol
You have just condensed a seminary level class into a single 36 minute video! Your work continues to astound me in so many ways. Thank you for your faithfulness to make known the truth that we believe!
Wow, thank you!
@InspiringPhilosophy Hey, Michael! You should do a video about whether or not verses 9-20 should be included in Mark 16, and whether or not they are accurate, and written by Mark. All sorts of Bibles now are counting those verses out, either bracketing them, or discluding them from the text. And when those verses are removed, there are no post-resurrection appearances of Jesus recorded in the gospel.
The fathers tell us Mark wrote down what Peter preached in rome
Indeed, and this tradition goes back all the way to the first century from someone called John the Presbyter (who might or might not be the same person as the apostle John, but still lived in the same time period).
@@darkblade4340 that is the immerse jhon the Baptism
@@elvolvasky69 John the Baptist died during Jesus’ ministry.
@darkblade4340 they're just saying something to try to sound smart lol.
Where was their proof of claims?
You made me a follower of Christ thank you so much❤
That is so great to hear! Praise God and welcome home!
What is he saying here?
Matthew 24:4-5
Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.
How would you write out what you believe he is saying? Would it match how he said it?
There is no punctuation in the manuscripts
Jesus answered watch out that no one deceives you for many will come in my name claiming I am the Messiah and will deceive many
What is he saying?
@@Imahuckleberryu need some grammar lessons..why to need any punctuartion here? The statement and warning is clear enough.
@@ImahuckleberryI think it’s referring to people coming in Jesus name and claiming that they are the messiah rather than the other way around.
God hear my prayers. Having two sons with special needs is overwhelming at times because they require so much from me. As a single mother things are difficult. I keep faith in you Jesus even as I struggle to pay rent, and as I struggle to buy groceries for my sons. Every month is a battle. I want to give up yet God gives me strength. Faith is my strength.💕
@@ChildofGod98765
Keeping you and your family in my prayers.
Mousey Miller strikes again..
May the Father give you provision and may the Lord Jesus Christ rest your heavy laden spirit as you take on life's challenges.
Take heart! For He will never leave you nor forsake you.
God will come through for you. He always comes through when at the point things get impossible. Keep the faith. It shall be well. We are praying for you.
I'm a school teacher working in a school with a large special needs population. I share in your struggles. We need all the strength the Lord can give us.
Even though I'm an atheist you got a new subscriber.
Thank you and welcome
Let's hope that IP's videos directly cause or at least contribute to you reconsidering your atheism.
@adamstewart9052 I am not against religion but if you say you're one religion, someone else will say you're wrong and going to hell.
That's why I enjoy studying all the abrahamic religions on my own, to understand them.
And inspiring philosophy does a good job presenting the apologist viewpoint
@@RDR12344 You can say 1+1=2, and someone will say that’s wrong. That someone disagrees is not evidence. Truth is not defined by those who discern or reject it.
A friendly warning: You can send a criminal to capital punishment based on evidence “beyond reasonable doubt,” which does not require absence of doubt. You can impose ruinous, crippling debt on someone based on “preponderance of evidence,” which means their opponent just needs slightly better evidence. Both are examples of faith (before it was misdefined by pop atheists). Faith does not require absolute proof; it means trusting the explanation of the evidence that has the most explanatory power. Don’t fall into “analysis paralysis.”
I respect that!!
The fact that as new evidences pop up we are always moving towards closer the conclusions of Christian orthodoxy is very satisfying
What do you mean? What exactly do you believe Christian orthodoxy is?
@@Theonly_OnyxI think it is pretty clear what he means, standard traditional Christianity
@@Theonly_Onyx He didn’t capitalize orthodoxy, so he obviously means the faith defined in the canonical scriptures.
@@ricksonora6656He sure didn't mean lgbtq "christianity"
@@ricksonora6656 ok cool. For a second I thought he was talking about Catholicism 😂
I won't be able to watch it when it comes out, but I am here just to boost the algorithm
@@briandiehl9257 I will reply so you get a notification to watch it later.
Cant wait for this IP, your videos have really reinforced my already present faith and armed with pretty good defences against unbelievers
Finally, long form. I love when he does these. Thank you for time and care!
"Critical scholars" in the 41st century, "Did Einstein really discover E=MC²?"
It could be possible, it really depends on how much information we will lose over the years or that people in the future will simply be skeptic about it.
Or even better:
What was the true name of "the rock"?
To anyone who doesn't get it: we don't know the Actual name of Plato. Plato is just his wrestler name, so it's basically the same as if we only knew Dwayne Johnson as "the rock"
As always Michael, thank you! Without Christianity the world would be a much poorer place, in every way.
How could you even know that?
@@alp5088 History. Literacy for the masses didn't come from Islam, or secular government, or by random chance. Following the Protestant Reformation Christians wanted people to be able to read the bible. So suddenly instead of a small elite who could read suddenly there were millions. That alone propelled us into the modern world. Human rights, dignity and equality were Christian taught values unknown in the Roman world they emerged out of.
Hey IP. Just wanted to let you know I’ve been watching your videos for 2 years now and it’s been instrumental in the development of my faith. No other channel has gone this far in depth to explain Christian history and theology. God bless you man
This was freaking wonderful! Bless you for all the work you do for the kingdom! Can’t wait for the rest.
God bless ya mike, your apologetics have allowed me to take a deep dive into the faith as a recent convert of two years. Listening to your videos has strengthened my imam ten fold
Dude thank you so much for your videos. As a relatively new follower of Christ your videos really help strengthen my faith and understanding of scripture. God bless!
I’m so glad to help, thank you for the donation.
That gives another meaning to Peter being the foundation of the church, him being the first Eyewitness to pass on the Gospel, that’s definitely a pivotal accomplishment for the mission.
Respectfully, it is the _revelation_ of Peter (“You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God”), which serves as the foundation of the church. Not Peter himself.
@@EmilyTodicescu Respectfully, the vast majority of the Early Church Fathers disagree with your statement.
@@lorenzo_primomo.97 Lange’s Commentary on the Holy Scriptures (p. 296) quotes Augustine as saying: “The rock is not so named from Peter, but Peter from the rock (non enim a Petro petra, sed Petrus a petra), even as Christ is not so called after the Christian, but the Christian after Christ. For the reason why the Lord says, ‘On this rock I will build my church,’ is that Peter had said: ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ On this rock, which thou hast confessed, says he, I will build my church. For Christ was the rock (petra enim erat Christus), upon which also Peter himself was built; for other foundation can no man lay, than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” - Translated and edited by P. Schaff, 1976.
@@EmilyTodicescuNice try.
Only the RCC and Orthodoxy share in this authority for both having direct apostolic succession from Peter himself.
@@el_killorcure Because of the schism in the 1517 authority is lost? What about the schism in 1054? Who had the authority? Rome or the rest of the church?
Outstanding! There is like a whole book's worth of content in this video!
Glory to God in the highest 🙏 IP youre such an amazing content creator. I love all the work that goes into youre work, you deserve all the subscribers this channel has gathered through the years. Keep up the work brother, God bless you and you're family.
Saying the Gospels are reliable is so offending to atheists and I'm all for it 😈
Uh actually. I find the gospel offensive and your canceled🤓
*You're 🤓🤓🤓 @@DylanO-o1g
“Noooooo! It has magic in it it’s obviously a big fairy tale!!!”
The only reason atheists claim gospel is not eyewitness accounts because it records miracles.
@@alexhaviannope. "Eyewitness account: a description given by someone who was present at an event."
The visuals are getting a lot better well done my friend !
I believe that Luke's gospel also contains various passages that likely came from direct translations of Aramaic. In particular much of the infancy narrative in Luke seems to be derived from an Aramaic source. This seems to support the idea that Mary herself could have provided the details of said story in Luke.
“In particular much of the infancy narrative in Luke seems to be derived from an Aramaic source” supported by what data exactly?
Thank you, Jonesey!!! I just tore my shirt off and did a roundhouse kick! THANK YOU
IP is inspiring me do start an apologetic channel
Starting a channel can be quite hard
Great video! I would highly recommend creating a bibliography of your sources in the description so viewers can read them as well. Thank you for putting this video and the series of which it is a part!
Love your videos brother, you speak so clearly and always bring an in depth analysis of the topics you are talking about.
The books you reference are a nice little touch too. Keep up the great work and thank you. Kieron.
The same people who claim to want nothing but the truth trying to attack the Gospels despite all the evidence supporting they are true eyewitness accounts. It’s very telling what their goal actually is. Amazing video.
Stop making the same mistake over and over again.
"Eyewitness account: a description given by someone who was present at an event."
When the same people who demand empirical evidence threw out the concept of objective truth in everything else you should realize they are talking in bad faith.
It's not that they want evidence or truth, they just know it's a useful tactic to use against you.
It's because the gospel's being reliable eye-witness accounts are integral to the foundation of christianity, the death and resurrection of Jesus. If the gospels aren't reliable eye-witness accounts, then the claims of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection have no ground to stand on, that's why muslims, atheists, and critical scholars try so discredit it.
@KasperKatje Where's the mistake?
Peter (Mark) was present, Mary (Luke) was present, John (John) was present.
IP loves presuppositional apologetics. None of the evidence he provides are slam dunks, even if he states them as matter of fact.
This is great, thank you! This previous week I have started reading through Mark so great timing!
The chef has cooked
I was literally just having a struggle about this! I was on the USCCB website and they said it’s unlikely that Mark actually wrote Mark which gave me a shock. Thank you for this!
Bruh. Really? Critical scholarship in the USCCB? I knew that the Roman Catholic Church had some problems with theological liberalism, but I didn't know that it was that deep.
@@catfinity8799 yeah I was stunned when I read it. I’m hoping and guessing that they had a scholar rather than a bishop write the section I read. But either way I don’t know why that’s on the site
@@od8401 Yeah, they're going against their own church's dogma, probably falling under an anathema. I hope for the Roman Church's sake it was just some scholar, and not a bishop.
@@catfinity8799 ...Actually is the authorship a dogma of the Roman Church? I've found some things I thought were dogmatic are merely stances.
@od8401 Why would anyone make him up as an author? This is pre-printing-press days, when writing took a lot of effort to distribute. If you were going to make up an author, you wouldn't use some obscure name mentioned once in a letter. You'd attribute it to an Apostle or someone else who is high up but difficult to check... like the Apocalype of Peter did, or the Infancy Gospel of James.
The information in this video is spot on. This commentator is phenomenal in his knowledge, for this presentation. I’m glad I subscribed. Amen
It's good to see strong evidence supporting the Bible.
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
Indeed he is risen glad I found this channel god bless!
@@JesusPerez-wd3tq He is risen indeed! God bless you too
Can you make a video the reliability
on John’s Gospel?
Yes, after one on Matthew and then Luke. John will be out in February.
@@InspiringPhilosophy what do u think about what papias says about Jesus's words in mathew being originally in Hebrew or “Ἑβραϊστί” (Hebraisti)
@@DeAngeloJohnson-ee9bt
I put that down to papias being a Greek speaker and writer and not understanding or knowing the difference between aramaic and hebrew.
@DeAngeloJohnson-
Some scholars think that Papias simply means "Ἑβραΐδι διαλέκτῳ" as a Hebrew style of Greeke
@@ramadadiver7810 The specific quote is "Therefore Matthew put the logia in an ordered arrangement in the Hebrew language, but each person interpreted them as best he could."
People have argued this quote was wrong since matthew appears to have been written in greek
I'm not sure if I am deconstructing or not but the Bible is an amazing and extremely important piece of literature ❤
Watched the video, taken the notes. Faith is increased.
Same
St. Peter wrote his Gospel through St. Mark just as he founded the Apostolic See of Alexandria through St. Mark ☦️
I think certain sceptics like Paulogia are too quick to dismiss the Gospels as distant hearsay and/or embellishment legends written down by annonymous Christians with the reasoning sometimes being based on the presence of miracles since even if the traditional 4 men weren't correct that wouldn't necessarily mean they couldn't be based on eyewitness testimony and must be those options instead.
It's better to not confuse possibility with probability.
To say it's all wrong is just too silly
@@DylanO-o1gTell that to "Godless Engineer" and other Mythicists because they're obviously putting themselves in that position.
*anonymous not annonymous.
I think a lot of it comes from an ontological prejudice against miracles. And, more importantly, a strong assumption against the extraordinary. In my opinion, these biases don't just run against the miraculous, but extraordinary events in general.
Leibniz, the philosopher famed for calculus and monads, made a point that God never does things out of order, so that miracles aren't necessarily against created orders (perhaps we can say natural laws), but rather are against our ordinary experience. I think Leibniz could be correct, in that the prejudice against miracles is a prejudice and projection of ordinary experience (example: "I've never seen it, ergo it can't happen"), rather than an appeal to true natural order and regularity.
@@johnnylollard7892 I see Leibniz, I upvote. I'm only familiar with his mathematical work. Apparently I need to broaden my reading list on him.
The premier was fun
It was
@@gabriel.notfound yessir
Yes, Mark gave us Peter's eyewitness account of Jesus. Suck it up, skeptics!
Thank you for all of the work you do Mike. Your videos have been a great help in my journey and I’m sure the same is true for countless others. God is doing amazing work through you for the kingdom, and you’re inspiring others to be his vessels as well. God bless 🙏
Markl's gospel has a sense of urgency.
Excellent, informative video! Thank you!
This is pure gold!
Love it. Beginning to come back to this channel more a more .
It's nice to hear plain historical facts presented simply. A joy to listen too.
Thank you so much for your timely and well researched video! This is a great contribution to our understanding! The book titles are also a goldmine!
Aside from the fact that Mark’s connection to Peter was well known among the early church fathers and is attested by other parts of the New Testament (1 Pet 5:13; Acts 12:12-17), the Gospel of Mark itself draws connections to Peter by forming another literary inclusio that centers on Peter himself-the first disciple mentioned in Mark is Peter (Mk 1:16) and the last disciple mentioned is Peter (Mk 16:7). Moreover, both of these mentions of Peter are quite emphatic-Mark goes out of his way to bring Peter to the forefront of each passage. This Petrine inclusio, combined with the inordinately high number of times the name Peter occurs in the Gospel and the manner in which Peter dominates the narratives of the disciples, makes it clear that Peter was to be understood as the “main eyewitness source behind Mark’s gospel.” Hengel observes, “Simon Peter is as a disciple named first and last in the Gospel to show that it is based on his tradition and therefore his authority.”
Martin Hengel, The Four Gospels and the One Gospel of Jesus Christ (Harrisburg, PA: Trinity Press International, 2000)
So much depth and breadth in this one. Great work IP!
I love your channel!!! Great job 👍
Mark was written by constintine when he invented Rome, it says so in the book of the councel of nicea
...what
@@DylanO-o1gi think he's making a good joke about conspiracy theorists of that time period , but poe's law is lawing all over the place
This has got to be satire
@@DylanO-o1gi think he's making a good joke about conspiracy theorists of that time period , but poe's law is lawing all over the place
@planteruines5619 he probably is
Dude I love your apologetic videos! Here recently I guess I’ve had a bit of falling away from my faith and it honestly broke me. I felt that maybe religion was just simply man’s appeal to find purpose in life. You’ve evidently proven that’s not the case; you’ve provided great cases that there is a God who loves and that there is great evidence in history and even in our consciousness. Keep up the amazing work🙌🏻
Thank you so much for the donation. I’m so glad you didn’t lose your faith, and I’m glad I could help.
Glory to god
Yep Glory To The Triune GOD
A good collection and extraction of relevant info from various scholars. Thanks for sharing the result of your time and effort.
2:48 there is a dispute over that passage from Justin Martyr. It can also be translated as "memoirs about Jesus" and so isn't necessarily referring to Peter's memoirs there.
wonderful as usual
This is excellent! Thank you!!
Hi, hello, amazing video
Great video.
I think that (i) the unanimous testimony of the Church fathers (including Papias who was collecting his information when some disciples of Jesus were still alive- Aristion and John the Elder) and (ii) the extensive internal evidence (the names correctly reflecting 1st Century Judea, the listing of the 12 disciples by name, the specific naming of a few not so relevant individuals for no particular reason other than seemingly because these persons were known- e.g., Simon of Cyrene father of Alexander and Rufus, the early semitism in some passages suggesting authentic sayings, the description of Jewish customs pre-70AD, not mentioning the destruction of the Temple, the relative modest claims about Jesus travels - as opposed to Apollonius of Tyana who traveled to Rome, India, and Spain according to Philostratus, etc.) both point toward the very probable fact that Mark was an early Gospel written by an eyewitness of Peter.
What're your thoughts on the transcendental argument for the existence of God?
Best argument in my opinion
Jay dyer has done hours of lectures on this its quite a unique argument if i had to rank it from 1-10 id say 9 my only problem is it just points to diesm not the christian god jay has attempted to make it point to the christian god but idk im just a slowboi so maybe im misssing something but yeah jay has proved the TAG is a killer argument
Id say IPs emergent universe argument is my second favorite argument it has potential i hope he does more on this after the reliability of the gospels
Awesome!!!
Very well presented, lots of factual evidence that dismiss all the myths lies & fabrication told of the Gospels. Thank you , peace & blessings 🙏✝️🙏
Impressive work! Thank you!
Mark is just SO legit!
Love this video. God bless you. Since you have starting engaging Islam, can we expect some videos on Christianity and Islam?
@inspiringPhilosophy Hey brother, is there a video or link to an article you can point me to that deals with figuring out the dating of other epistles apart from the Pauline epistles? If possible the Old Testament as well. Keep up the good work.
Question: will you ever make a video on the transcendental argument?
Hey, Michael! You should do a video about whether or not verses 9-20 should be included in Mark 16, and whether or not they are accurate, and written by Mark. All sorts of Bibles now are counting those verses out, either bracketing them, or discluding them from the text. And when those verses are removed, there are no post-resurrection appearances of Jesus recorded in the gospel.
I’d love to see a video like this on the other three Gospels
Another interesting point is that there is decent evidence to suggest that the longer ending of Mark was written by Ariston of Smyrna, who was actually an eyewitness and a disciple who would have known Jesus personally. This is likely Papias' source for the Markan gospel.
I think many who are reading the Scriptures today have conveniently forgotten what life was like before the Internet, or even the printing press, and that it would have been impossible for these Biblical authors to mimic the minutiae/particulars of first-century Judaea.
Can you make more videos on mythvision arguments?
Great job presenting the case for your positon. Very comprehensive. My only let down was that the video didnt conclude with a brief polemic on the arguments that Mark is not based on eyewitness accounts.
Mark was making a word for word translation rather than a dynamic translation
I quite like these videos that give tons of really solid info about the Bible and its reliability. I have used these videos to show that the Bible I love to read is actually reliable, most people do not know that the Bible is reliable, most people have not opened a Bible in their life. But if people like skeptics would come to the table with an open mind, they would find that the Bible is reliable, and that indeed, Jesus rose from the dead, thus, He is the Son of God.
Love these in depth videos
Since I am early I guess I can ask and see what other people think. Do you guys think we will ever discover any of the lost early Christian texts, like the works of Papius, Evodius, or the gospel to the Hebrews?
Not sure, but here's to hoping!
@@alphahuner1116I feel like discovering Papius or Evodous' work would do so much towards destroying all the skeptics arguments
@@TheOmniGameDev If any of their copies or extras are found.
@@alphahuner1116yeah, it would also be interesting considering these works are supposed to contain biographical information about Jesus and authentic teachings not in the bible, so I wonder how it would change Christianity
@@TheOmniGameDevOne way to find out
this is really important information giving credits to authenticity of the writer knowledge on history.
What do you think of kamil Gregor and his criticisms against your arguments of the empty tomb
Hi IP
Great work there!❤
When will you post a video for Luke-Acts?(there are couple interesting things to say there, the “we” passages is fascinating! It clearly shows that Luke was a follower of Paul and agrees in a lot of things with him,but scholars like B.Ehrman dismiss their friendship based on “contradictions” that can be explained easy…❤)
I m so “mad” to see this much ignorance from Ehrman,he just focuses on the “contradictions” but totally ignores all the facts Luke said about Paul.
Did Jesus know Greek? He certainly knew that the word in Greek for wind was the same as spirit when He spoke to Nicodemus.
I read an article arguing that worked in Aramaic as well
@Inspiring Philosophy, Any thoughts on the church tradition that identifies the rich young ruler as Mark?
Great video, very strong and objective case made from a lot of research, thank you
Inspiring philosophy, i have a question it is about the oxyrhynchus papyri? How much funding do you think it would take to transcribed the 495,000 that are left?
God has a creator, it’s man.
No
@@Homosapian_male yes
@@reeseexplains8935no
Great work
Question: are you gonna do the same with the other 3 gospels?
Yes
@@InspiringPhilosophy niice.
A very interesting video. Does anyone know if IP has ever done anything on the "Secret Gospel of Mark"? (I looked but didnt see anything)
When I was in seminary, we learned about these "scholars" and knew they had little or no evidence for what they claimed. It was a waste of time studying them.
Which scholars?
@js1817 That was like 30 years ago, but it was the likes of Rudolph Bultmann.
It seems as if these scholars made a strong case for their respective positions by conducting a significant amount of textual research and analysis. It's too bad you were incorrectly told that it was a "waste of time" studying them.
@@HarryPairatestes363 No, we studied them. It was a waste because their evidence was weak, mostly based on assumptions and their lack of archeological curiosity. They assumed that the early church were a bunch of liars, that miracles were impossible, and that everything was written late.
This will trigger Dan McClellan.
If there were undeniable and sufficient proof of the existence of God, the scientific world would be in turmoil. All the major scientific journals, all the university faculties would fight to receive the genius behind the demonstration. All the talk-shows, the television news around the world, all the magazines on the planet would offer millions $ to the lucky person to have exclusive access to the story of his discovery. But nothing happens.
This phenomena is compatible with christian theology, so this argument wouldn’t hold much merit against a christian
Might you cover the longer and shorter endings of Mark?
Amazing the claims religious people make without proving anything.
❤ ✝️
Good thoughts!
Will you ever do a video on Petrine authorship?
Love u ip
very few people had the knowledge to produce writing equipment and knowledge of writing back them.Only the well to do and well educated(vary rare back then) could possibly write an account of something that happened decades before ,esp when nothing could be verified...just made up accounts of what the writers thought may have happened..amen
The reason to not just rely on oral tradition and actually write down a gospel early ones like Mark because we were losing the living voice ( eye witnesses ) there’s a huge impetus in the second half of the first century AD to produce documents that allow us to not lose the memory what Jesus was like, what he did and of what he said and what his earliest followers were like as well. That's the Impetus behind the writings of the New Testament between 49-100 all 27 of the Documents of the new testament seem to have been written -Dr. Ben Witherington
What are your thoughts about Psalm 2 verse 4-6, It says that God laugh and scoffs at them
AMEN