How Can A Loving God Send Someone to Hell? SeanMcDowell.org
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I am an ex homosexual man, former alcoholic, ex drug addict, was addicted to porn, anything immoral, anything addictive. I had no self worth, living self destructive. I deserved Hell but God gave mercy.
We are all imperfect...when we have that encounter with God, he can help us turn our lives around from our desires to his. Keep asking him the rest of your life, to help you stay strong( through his strength) against those addictions. Where we are weak, He makes us strong. We all need C hrist, but until we have that true relationship, we don't realize it. Glad to hear you have more peace now.
Praise God! So happy for you. God is merciful.
Dude, you cant change your sexuality, that's not how it works.
If you're going to lie then at least try to keep it convincing 🤦♂️
why not? Wouldn’t bisexual people be changing their sexuality however often they do
That’s right!!!! Amen me too bro
When I was younger, I saw hell written all over my oldest brother's face when he violently beat up my older brother. I also saw later on very clearly the darkness in my own heart and it humbled me. I am sure God was behind all that. At first it was painful but I knew what God had shown me was real. It was God showing His love to me and led me to look to Jesus Christ.
God didn't cause your brother to behave in this way. This was satan's doing, and your brother's sinful desires. God led you to salvation through an ugly situation. Bless you!
We are given free will. We can choose to do bad or good ourselves. NO ONE made your brother evil. It was his own doing. People need to learn that no one causes anyone to fo bad things. Its their own choice to do so. Look to reality and fix the problem. God or Satan should not be the reason for your problems
@@ashley_brown6106 I'm sure he meant that God caused him to see his brother so he could see himself.
@@ashley_brown6106why a loving God put Satan with his Children that he created? I would never put my kids in between of an evil person or in any danger, that would be child endangerment. Why God would do that and then send people that are made on his own image by him now he is going to send them to the lake of fire for eternity!!
I think that we have been misled for hundres of years. I know that there is a Creator because I can see His beautiful Creation but I don't think that a perfect loving heavenly father would aloud them to go to hell.
@@ashley_brown6106I don't let my children get messed with so they'll understand my love for me. That's just stupid.
So many people I know no longer believe that hell is real. You really do a great job explaining this touchy subject. Thank you for that!
Dear toughmummy (from a mummy and granny in London). Christians who believe that God, eventually, will save everyone, are called "UNIVERSALISTS". They believe that there is a hell but that it is not eternal. What would be the point in this?? Hell, as far as they are concerned, is a correction facility that will bring people to repentance, eventually. Thanks. Diane
@@dianehaydon9851 Thank you for that explanation Dianne. God bless you!
Thank you so much for sharing this.
God Bless you Sean!
Thank u Sean!
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Thank You Dr. McDowell! I never thought about this Verse in that context!? I did however equate it to your second premise, which would be to "reject" the Call of the Lord upon our lives, & to not Accept & Trust in Yeshua!? May God Bless!!!❣️💪👆
People need to hear this
This is great
My Grandpas who was scared from a church as a kid asked " How is God a God of Justice if giving an option for being deceived to spend eternity in Hell who Never asked to be born in the first place ?"
How all The new Heaven be different if it takes free will to love for the cycle of Lucifer be repeated ? "
I share the same question as your grandpa
It’s a con game of bribes and threats
Wow that last question hit me right in the face. Here I was thinking I was coming to some sort of understanding 😭
@@_Randa_ so god created satan to torture those he loves lmao, insanity
That's a solid question if you believe in free will of the creation. God gives us free agency, but our will is enslaved to sin. The reason the New Heaven and New Earth will be free from that issue is because of the cosmic power we cannot fathom that put an end to sin and death on the cross.
A better question is how did Lucifer fall? And take a 3rd of the angels with him? We're not told. But I believe it was something far larger than we can grasp, as is everything God does.
thank you!
You bet!
Nice touch walking through Death Valley while talking about hell lol
Thanks. It was a long trip to this desert!
@@SeanMcDowell I can imagine. I just hope you weren’t there when it was 115°+. I absolutely love your videos, thank you so much for posting God bless you!
Actually "inhumane" distances us (humans) a little from actions labeled as such, it's a thoughtfully chosen word to help us.
The outlook that everybody is inherently good as being wrong is so true. It was pretty easy for me to accept the concept of sin since I realized early on in life there was a duality with humankind. We have done, are doing, and will continue to perform acts that will hurt others. If humans were innately good, the world would not be the way it is. Even the good acts that people do are often for ultimately selfish means instead of simply out of the kindness of their heart. And when the Bible goes more into what exactly constitutes sin there is no way you will not sin in your life because what is labeled as sin is innate in humans. The quicker a person can realize that they are not all that and a bag of chips and get down on their pedestal the better humanity will be. Pride is one heck of a killer.
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It's a serious link. ~S
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What's the point of it though? That's my question.
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Wanted to share the channel. Look into it.
It deals with God's plan for humanity, including "posthumous fate", by looking at the original languages form which English Bibles were translated. Thank you, Brando for asking. God bless you & your loved ones, especially during this pandemic.
~Steven of Montreal
It's not an easy process to be confronted with your sin, but if people get past that and seek help from God, life is so much better and hopefully the afterlife as well...
we're a fairly callous bunch.
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@@Gumpmachine1 ...
Yes. We’ve been lying to you for all of human history.
There’s no God, no hell, & no sin.
Mankind is a shining example of kindness and love.
That dead horse is dead. Stop beating it.
😂
@@memowilliam9889 apparently some people still think the horse is alive.
So I’ll stop beating it and start shooting it
@@Gumpmachine1
Your bitter bias is showing.
Really well done, Sean. Thank you!!🙏
Well done. Autonomy is strong. I believe that was the intent, if you will. A decision to follow Christ is evidence of the recognition of autonomy and the ability to manage it. Thank you.
Sounds more like coercion. Pretty hard for your average Joe Bloggs to make a reasoned decision when there’s threats and bribes involved
The challenge for hell is in a perception of sin’s reality. We need to get past the idea of sin as a behavioral problem.
God is so Holy He Hates Sin , at Very Best Goodness , it said are Goodness is like Filthy Rags , in Hebrew Day A Kotex or some would say Your goodness is like used Toilet Paper.
He has paid us our wages , which is All men Shall Suffer death,
God Love us so much he sent himself in the form of a savior Jesus
Dr. Mcdowell, what is your view on the salvation of those who have never heard the Gospel, or who practiced a different religion with minimal knowledge of the Gospel?
They go to hell and are tortured because god is infinitely merciful
The problem is people don't believe they are going there. So how do they consciously chose it. If they could look down and see hell do u think they really would chose to go there???
I do not believe in an eternal torture chamber Hell but for arguments sake I will consider it.
People would not be moved by looking down and seeing Hell.
The mind is very tricky.
They would think that it is a hallucination or that they certainly are not bad enough to go there.
The power of the carnal mind is real.
@@thenowchurch6419 Your response doesn't make sense. They could be shown it was real. After they die. I don't think anyone would choose it.
A good observation. I think it really speaks to the hugh problem inherent with religions and their method of transmission from one generation to the next. A person who dies before they have developed enough to understand good from evil or the concept of hell would ostensibly be exempt from the punishment of hell. An all powerful God would certainly have the ability to "program" our minds with the certainty of his nature and existence. This would remove the faith element which I have never understood the importance of. For example almost everyone in modern society knows that smoking is bad for health as are certain foods. By contrast most know that sufficient rest and exercise are beneficial. However, this knowledge guarantees nothing in terms of which habits are adopted and seems to have little influence. Why does God's nature or existence have to be faith based. Absolute knowledge of God's nature and existence would still leave exactly the same choices on whether or not to obey him or seek a closer relationship, free will would not be compromised one bit.
The assertion that faith is necessary in the process is so demonstrably false and ridiculous. It's painful to see faith held as a virtue in our society and even more painful to see hell used as a tool for those in power to exert control of others. If there were a hell, those who have used it to threaten and manipulate would be the most worthy. I don't condone the concept at all mind you, there is no finite crime that deserves infinite punishment in my view.
@@skippy675 But see if God programed us we would be merely robots. He didn't want robots , so he gave us free will....
@@annr3800 supposedly m, how would you test God had actually given us freewill?
Awesome
The atheist he is talking about is Christopher Hitchens. I’d recommend watching his discussions and reading his books. He was a great person.
@G Will
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Hitches was a master at using rhetorical methods and using polemical and satirical arguments against faith. However, in an honest examination, Hitchens logic and verifiable contents of were relatively weak, filled with ad hominid attacks. Although he was funny, his presentations contained many logical fallacies.
He might have been great in your eyes but I can assure you that like all of us he wasn't good. He wasn't good enough for heaven and without an advocate in heaven he wouldn't have got in. How tragic
@@fullerming Yes. To be honest, William Lane Craig wiped the floor with Christopher Hitchens in their debate (that is what I would have said even I was not a Christian).
God doesn't send people to hell....
People send themselves to hell.
Amen brother
The truth is sometimes inconvenient to humans and our selfish nature - the part of us that wants to point the finger and doesn’t want to take responsibility.
I bet you will be extremely happy in heaven knowing billions of people including your friends and people you knew throughout your life are burning to eternity in hell with no way to escape all the fire and suffering ,sounds nice right? A bet a 90 year old man feels like he has lived a long life, now imagine burning forever?
If you christians really believed in hell and the severity of it you wouldn't have children, that's the most selfish thing you can do. You. are potentially exposing a being to suffer in hell, how are you so sure your son or daughter will go to heaven? After all, they have free will and can take responsibility for their acts
@@bangtanbangtan8338 There many Biblical inaccuracies in what you have just said. I would have to write a book to address them all - so I’m not going to address them, except to say that you are simply showing that you have created in your mind a god that fits what makes sense to you (aka idolatry), and that you have an extremely limited (or perhaps zero) understanding of God. This probably sounds ridiculous and foolish to you, and that’s okay. Based on what you have already said, I don’t expect you to understand. Take care.
@@regul8or71 I didn't mention anything biblically innacurate you just can't deal with the truth 👍 I was christian for a long time I know what I'm talking about it's ok if you don't want to agree
@@bangtanbangtan8338 🙂👍
It doesn’t matter if I “agree”. The Truth is the Truth, regardless of if people “agree”. I would think that someone who was a Christian for a long time (and who supposedly knows what s/he is talking about) would know that - partly because it is not only fairly basic doctrine but also fairly basic logic. You might check out 2 Corinthians 10:5, as well as Isaiah 55:8-9. It might help clear up some of your confusions (of which you have many, based on what you have said).
While you’re at it, check out out these verses. They all help to paint the picture.
Genesis 15:1
1 Samuel 16:7
Matthew 7:21-23
Job 11:7-9
John 10:10
James 1:14
(Btw regarding you having been a Christian for a long time and (supposedly) knowing what you’re talking about - you might glance at Proverbs 11:2).
Lots more I could mention - like I said, I could write a book about the problems with your claims. But I’m going to leave it at that. This “conversation” could drag on and on and I get the feeling that that would be futile. So I’m moving on. You can think or say whatever you want about me. Take care. Cheers!
Christianity is literally the poster child for dodging responsibility. It's central pillars being: "we are not worthy but, someone else's actions change the outcome. We deserve the wrath of God but, someone else took it for us." A responsible person can and must reject this scapegoating, and demand to be judged on the BALANCE of their own actions, good and bad.
Christianity seems to be the near perfection of narcissism. It is a view that the entire cosmos and everything that exists was brought into being so that a particular subset of primates on a tiny spec in a non descript little neighborhood of a solar system could enjoy a personal relationship with the supernatural creator of it all. Further implications being that the vastness off the universe is merely there for humans to be in awe of and that all other species that currently inhabit our little spec of dust or who have come and gone into extinction were simply making cameo appearances in our play to spice up the scenery a bit.
I don't have the stones to pull off the Christian humility, and I honestly don't understand how those with the stones to pull it off manage to walk.
6:12 - 6:27 - But God DOES forgive people in this way. God is fully capable of simply forgiving.
Psalm 78:37-39
For their heart was not steadfast with Him, Nor were they faithful in His covenant. But He, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, And did not destroy them. Yes, many a time He turned His anger away, And did not stir up all His wrath; For He remembered that they were but flesh, A breath that passes away and does not come again.
In fact, Jesus commanded us to forgive each other unconditionally. Are we being held to a higher standard than God himself?
Exactly. God will forgive all of humanity for sin which is WHY he sent his son to die on the cross. The Bible is the most misunderstood work in all of creation. Humans are so blind if they think God is going to send most people to an eternal Hell where they burn in unimaginable agony.
@@royedwards51 yes! The modern belief system does not make sense. God is the highest consciousness essentially. An all powerful being who is perfect would not punish imperfect beings for being imperfect. Everyone will be saved, a high conscious being would never unnecessarily torture the lower consciousness for it would be a low consciousness action in itself and contradict God's being.
@Luke Crawford don't just say so, make your orgument
@Luke Crawford lets say you have children, you know they will make bad dicision because thats their nature, do you think any eternal punishment is justified. if you wouldn't do such a thing your more morally just than god. note I don't believe he actually exist and do these things.
@Luke Crawford you say you understand my question but you didn't answer it. Why? If you give your kids multiple chances would you offer them eternal punishment, not only that but you know before hand bcs you are omniscient.
But if God is all knowing wouldnt he know before I was born where I'd wind up. So essentially he'd be knowingly creating someone to go to hell. And what's walking through a desert supposed to add?
You choose where you'll wind up. It's not too late to choose an eternity in glory with God (if you're still with us).
@@User_Happy35oh please
@@User_Happy35 what about someone who is convinced that there is no god for good reasons like science and logic, not because you think they hate god. thats the only unforgivable unbelief, what do you think about that?
Contrary to popular belief, God doesn't micromanage our creation as an embryo. Our parents have sex, and we're created through a natural process that He created. Of course God knows which human will end up of each embryo, but He's not actively creating it. That would mean that God creates people who are blind, or mentally retarted, or have down's syndrom or they 're disabled. That's nonesense. All this is not God's creation but mutations caused by our fallen nature. So no, God didn't actually create you. And yes, He knows where you'll end up, as He's all knowing. But that doesn't mean you're predestined to go to hell or heaven. You're free to choose your actions, but whatever these might be, God simply knew them already.
@@SkepticAdrian Who seriously says, save me science and logic? Science says come back later and logic says you can not save yourself. Who would have thought you couldn't have relied on them? Everyone!
Do you think Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints will go to hell when they believe in him, love him and want to go to Heaven.
Another thing I would add is that if your going to hell, that means you haven't accepted Jesus's forgiveness. Like imagine if you lied to your friend, they found out but forgave you, and then you rejected that. It's a fast way to lose a friend.
Then that friend plunges you into eternal torment fir thousands of years cuz he loves you.
So God creates two eternal domains to accommodate your spirit in the after life. One domain is beautiful, peaceful, and pleasurable. The other domain is the worst pain that you could possibly foist on a human being - a literal firepit of liquid hot molten metal that you are dunked into. If you're "perfect" you get to go to that first domain. If you're imperfect, if you've so much as stolen a stick of gum when you were 5 years old or downloaded an episode of Baywatch from Pirate Bay, then you go to the second domain. Now God, he's merciful, he knows that would suck, so he's created an escape hatch where he can take on the punishment for you. So he comes down to Earth disguised as a human being and has himself tortured and killed for a few hours one day, and that's enough to make even-Steven the punishment that all of humanity for all of time deserves for all their sins. He provides virtually no leave-behind evidence for this plan, beyond a few lame, uncorroborated stories written by Bronze-aged goat herders. So now, with this loophole in place, the person who steals a stick of gum when they were 5 years old but doesn't accept the gift of salvation, they are tortured for all of eternity. But a lying, stealing, conniving, murderer rapist who accepts the gift of salvation, someone who just happens to believe in the right thing at the right time by pure luck, they get to enjoy an eternity of bliss and happiness. And this punishment/reward system is set up by this perfect all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful God of the Bible, the same God who condoned genecide, drowned millions of people in a flood, prescribed slavery, among many other incredulities in the Bible, all the while providing no tangible evidence that he even exists. Hmmmm. Gonna call for a judges ruling here ... Christianity is a false, man-made religion. It's not about rejecting a real God. It's about casting off these ancient superstitions that have held humanity back from real truth and progress.
Who are you? Do you know what's in peoples minds and hearts God can see everything in our heart and nothing is good in man we are evil stealing s gum to God is just as bad as rape you are sinful and sins can be justified in your eyes God however is nothing like us. So don't try to put Him into your small mind that he gave you because you literally will never understand God. That is why it is by faith that you are saved. Because salvation cannot be comprehend by our little being.
@@jellyregina9069 I'm a person who analyzes philosophical and religious arguments. My argument here is mean to show that even if God does exist, he has a horrifying character, and the features of his alleged Christian salvation plan are bizarre, poorly executed, and illogical. The problem that I see with your counter-argument is that you could justify any characteristic of God that you wanted to just by claiming that we humans are too small-minded to understand him.
@@kdietz65 that is salvation God is a Holy being that has to judge evil we are evil. The good news of the gospel is he has freely given us his son to cover us from Himself. We can't understand his Love and we can't even comprehend his Hate. We need to understand that this is his universe and not ours. We are created beings freely breathing his air and cursing and blasphemous daily. We destroy our earth we destroy our bodies and our children but we don't realize that none of this is really ours. We will have to give an account one day to the creator of the universe that is salvation Jesus covering every bad thing we have done with this body.
Ps the Fear of the Lord is the beginning of understanding. Understand that God can inflict more pain on you than you can ever possibly imagine. The mercy of God is that he let's you figure that our first.
@@jellyregina9069 Suppose Zeus turns out to be the real God and boy is he gonna be ticked off over this Jesus thing, am I right?
Thanks, this is really helpful.
For someone who doesn't think critically maybe.
He just proved that god cannot be omniscient or omnipotent if he isn't the one that sends people to hell. This guy make 0 sense to people with half a brain.
what if someone doesn't know about the word or hell or heaven and every one around him believed in a false God and he was like "No that is not good or true" but thenwhy would god send someone like that to hell? i have had this answered and not understand.
i wonder if any human being can go to heaven - i doubt very much
@@eagyinjection With man it is impossible.
Romans 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
I would believe in cases like this that God knows this person or such people would accept Jesus if given the chance. I've wondered this myself. God is well aware if our hearts. We are given consciences and God's creation is so abundantly evident.
@@eagyinjection yes it is true you can but you have to beleive in jesus christ
Sean McDowell thank you for this video.
I would love to talk to you (maybe by phone) about. I would like to focus in the "over killed." I agree with the premises of sinful human nature, and of us choosing our eternal destiny. Also in God not taking pleasure in the DEATH of thr wicked.
Could there be another biblically supported alternative that includes, punishment and hell, but does not make God look evil and unjust in punishing wicked sinners for eternity for something they did in less than a thousand years (over killed).
Also is God's plan of salvation to perpetuate sin in a place called hell or to do away with all manners of sin and its consequences, to include death?
If you are interested in the conversation please find me on Facebook.
Thank you and may the LORD continue to bless your ministry.
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@@stevenfrasier5718 Are you in favor of universalism?
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I'm in favor of Scriptural accuracy which illustrates that God is LOVE. He is both infinitely JUST and infinitely MERCIFUL without contradiction. He punishes for the end result of "correction" & "reproof", not to be punitive as mainline churchianity does here. Eternal Conscious Torment (ECT) is an ancient pagan concept from Greek mythology that crept unto the translation process. "Christian Universalism" is what the first 500 years of Believers in Christ believed. For the past 1500 years ECT was used as a fear-tactic to control the masses (who at that time were illiterate for the most part). Thank you so much Jonathan for asking. May God bless you & your loved ones, especially now during this Covid craziness.
~Steven of Montreal
@@stevenfrasier5718 please provide historical evidence for such an assertion.
Also what do you make of the lake of fire in Revelation, and Gehena in The Gospels?
Jesus further says this place was prepared for Satan and his angels, will they suffer for eternity for what they did in thousands of years or will they also be saved according to universalism?
Please check the following for a Biblical view of hell www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4988/t/is-the-devil-in-charge-of-hell-#.XrtzvVDL6tU.link
@@soldierjag
Don't rely on me or any man except Jesus.
I encourage you to research this matter.
I did what I was suppose to do. Now, you.
Jesus said this is the verdict: light has come into the world but people love to sin in the darkness more than the light.
I’m very sad about thinking about that Dear Lord would send people to hell
no loving god would send a person to hell - we do not choose to go to hell- it is god who sends people to hell- see what the bible says on anger- you can go to hell for just being angry
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Believe it or not, judgement and punishment is a central pillar of God's love. A God that wouldn't judge and punish evil, would be an indifferent God, one who does not care. He would also be a God who doesn't love His GLORY, and allows evil to enter into His kingdom. By condemning evil, God shows us His love for Justice and His love for Holliness.
So why create hell anyway? Hell and a loving God just doesnt make any sense. Its like me punishing my child forever because they have done something bad and i still claim that i love them. That's not a God of love but a God of control and fear.
@@Debertan1998 The place separate from anything "good" and G od was originally created for the destination of satan and the fallen, rebellious angels. Souls were created to live forever...eternally. Therefore, they will dwell forever somewhere.
@@Debertan1998 Hey, hope all is well...My parents punished me for a reason(think about it)...they still loved me though. Take care
The more difficult question to answer is how is it just to send even an evil person to eternal torments.
they could 'choose to not be evil' but they won't repent, its like if the train was leaving the station, and they said 'you have to board or you will be left here' and they refuse to get on, they will not be going to heaven, God is fair so he will give them opportunities to make amends and do whats right, but they don't have forever, 'the angels rejoice when someone repents'
So basically you are saying that you are better than God, how blasphemous
@@wendymtzc I suppose you mean well (I hope) but you should read and think more carefully, and certainly be slower to attack Christ's own. How can a question be blasphemous? Many seekers have been turned off from the church because someone's Sunday school teacher or elder shamed them for asking a question. Its easier to point your finger and cry blasphemy than do the work and answer the hard questions. I never said, nor do I believe that any action of God is unjust. That is nonsensical since any idea I have of what's just comes from Him. I acknowledge that any degree to which God's actions seem unjust is due to my own sin and/or lack of understanding. I merely said it is a hard question and I stand by that. If you're to the point that there are no hard questions pertaining to the scriptures, I can only hope to attain your level of spirituality some day.
Jay Dwayne I know we have been taught that there’s no such thing as a stupid question, well, the Bible clearly disagrees when it says to avoid foolish questions...
@@wendymtzc Of course I could be wrong, but my example of foolish questions (or controversies depending on the connotation one goes with) would be churches disputing over the color of the church carpet or something equally trivial. its hard for me to imagine a sincere question regarding the nature or acts of God as being foolish when there is a sincere desire to understand God and His nature better. As we move from the milk of the word to solid food, is this process not spurred on by prayerful questions, followed by God-given light, followed by increase of understanding?
5:22 " For there is no respect of persons with God."-Romans 2:11
I know you were talking about something different than context of this verse, but I though I'd be contentious about your word choice.
Thank you for sharing ,same thing came to mind
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Thank you for sharing important issues
Acts 10:34 (KJV) Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Sean said God is a respecter of persons, when the word say Hes not a respecter of persons.
The way I see it is God don't send no one to hell. People have a choice they send them self to hell. Is like if I tell my kids don't do this is bad has consequences. They go and violate the law and go to jail. Did I send my kid to jail or did I tell him don't do this because has consequences. My kid sent him self to jail and eventually will see that him self.
Exactly
I wonder, did Pharaoh choose hell when the Bible says God hardened his heart? Did Esau Choose hell when God said He hated him before he was even born or had done anything good or evil?
God has foreknowledge and can act based on decisions He knows we will take. Glory to his name, make a decision for Jesus today!!!
@@toshiba1134 If God isn't the source but merely reacting that makes Man sovereign. So God doesn't make his plans around ours. Proverbs 16:9 doesn't imply the kind of foreknowledge you are referring to. The bible says He foreknew us, not our actions. Romans 8
@@derrickmcfall8702 proverbs 16:9 states that God directs our paths, I don't believe that He dictates them. Let's decide to focus on the lost
It your choice to think you way you want.
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You will be saves
From all your sin
I disagree with the notion of people sending themselves to Hell. Yes, they reject Christ, so it is their choice, but the Bible clearly teaches that God casts them out. God doesn't take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked, but He receives glory in the wrath poured out on evil. We can't elevate one attribute of God against another. He is angry with the workers of evil every day. And He so loved the world that He gave His only Son..
Hey, i am a christian that's being said, the traditional view of hell is quiet problematic for me. I believe that both heaven and hell exist as states of mind, and the idea that they exist as places in the afterlife is quiet irrelevent. I don't want to enter in details so in short i believe that people commit major sins mainly out ignorence and being more enlighted will help them stop. Yea i agree that we aren't good and we aren't saints but i also believe that we're drivven by a strong desire of wanting to be good. I admit that maybe i hold those views because i am still not knowledgeble enough, and i hope i can arrive to the truth one day.
I may not agree with what was presented but the video was very well done, and i love your work Sean, so keep it going ❤.
I sincerely believe that if you question the existence of hell as clearly taught in the Bible you are not saved, if you don’t believe hell is a real place what do you need to be saved from? The Bible doesn’t teach people are inherently good, quite the opposite... there is none righteous, no not one; for all have sinned and come short of the glorify of God; our righteousness is as filthy rags...
@@wendymtzc hey, thanks for your reply, i am not closed to the idea it's simply that i am not convinced yet. The bible doesn't focus on the after life, and for me it's a way to tell us to live in the present and focus on it (it's the only time you can live after all) and in my point of view if your behaviours are powered by fear of hell rather then love there is a big issue.
@@wendymtzcAre you seriously saying someone’s salvation hinges on whether they believe in eternal hell?
@@user-fc2zb9po8t why would you want to get saved if you don’t even believe in hell, makes absolutely no sense
@@wendymtzc Think harder
God doesn't send people to Hell, Hell is our natural destination, its people that refuse to let God save them from Hell.
I can't think of a bigger insult to a creator than to say that all of its creations are bad.
That is an interesting thought. God clearly reveals that all that He created was good in Genesis 1:31. However with disobedience, sin entered the world and as Isaiah 53:6 says, "All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all." And Romans 3:10-12 "As it is written: 'None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.'”
@@samrhodes3510 According to Christianity, we are all sinful by nature, which then begs the question, "Where would the responsibility lie for the nature of created beings, and for any differences between them?" Which, if answered honestly, could only be - "The responsibility would lie with their creator." I understand why you, like all Christians, would like to protect the supposedly "perfect" reputation of God, and give yourselves credit for supposedly "choosing" salvation, but your own doctrines render him responsible for our nature, and thus for our sinfulness and for any differences between us.
By the way, the belief system that asserts that the bible is the word of God is only held by those who believe, first, that a god exists, and second, that it is the god of the bible. Ultimately, all you have then is an opinion, and one which is not shared by most of the world.
@@jimscott9974 The responsibility does NOT fall on the creator. He created all perfect and said it was very good. Humans CHOSE to "do their own thing" instead of follow G od's ways. Nothing has changed in our current time either....If someone has a teenager, and that teen goes out and gets in trouble , does something "bad" even though his parents raised him not to be that way, it is ultimately the individual' s fault for their own choice of actions.
@@sunnydaze1185 Only an indoctrinated and fearful mind would accept the claim that a creator would not be responsible for the nature of its creations. Christians like yourself must continue to promote the false narrative that God is not responsible for the actions of his creations, and has given his creatures free will, in order to protect his "perfect" reputation and credit themselves for their supposedly superior choices. I'm sorry, but your argument is ignorant and flawed.
Can someone explain with scripture how one can be both dead/alive in hell at the same time?
In a similar way to how people on earth are dead and alive at the same time? Eph. 2.1; 4.18; John 5.24; 1 Tim.5.6; 1 John 5.12, etc. Death is often presented as being separated from the sphere of God's blessing (Gen.2.17; Deut.30.15-20; Jer.31.15-17, etc.).
@@paulmccauley8995 Let me ask you this. Just where does a christian go when he/she dies?
@@truthseeker9016 to be with the Lord (2 Cor.5.8; Php.1.23).
@@paulmccauley8995 Without a resurrection?
@@truthseeker9016 yes, the intermediate state. That's why I included the references.
Hell is just the absence of God
Thank you. Most edifying Dr McDowell. God bless 🙏
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I actually have a legitimate. What do you mean by “God is a Respector of persons” and where is that in the Bible?? because that is contrary to what the WORD of God says in Acts 10:34 “Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons”..
I agree with most everything else. But I also wanted to just point out that contrary point
Respector of wills but not status?
It actually says God shows no partiality. (Esv) or favoritism (niv, nlt)
The respector of persons is Kjv. But Don't forget the next verse: "but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him." Which means that he takes what you choose seriously.
does he send people to hell who dont have access to the bible? what if you're born in a third world country and know nothing abt him, do you still go to hell? i hope someone here can answer my question
But do people realize their choosing hell? It doesn't seem so
Make a being that requires evidence in order to adopt a belief. Know exactly how much evidence he needs in order to believe. Don't provide him the sufficient evidence that would cause him to believe. Be mad and send him to hell even though you, as an omniscient being, knew all along that he wouldn't believe. What?
So if I lie one time when I was a very small child I deserve to suffer eternally in hell?
Not at all. No person deserves to be burned alive forever. Not even Hitler. Finite punishment for finite wrongdoing is just. Infinite punishment is neither just nor in line with the Bible.
Heaven and Hell by Bart Ehrman."Corrupt" humans invented hell
I have a few objections to some of the philosophical statements here (for instance, I consider human nature to be _mixed_ rather than inherently good or evil, and question whether making "original sin" a _heritable_ part of that nature is loving or just). But here's my main question for you:
*If Hell is a choice people make rather than something God inflicts on us, then why would that choice be irreversible after death?*
I mean, if you're an annihilationist, then fine. The person doesn't exist anymore, so obviously they can't change their mind. Though I _would_ question the morality of God allowing people to choose oblivion without first ensuring that they have _complete and lucid understanding_ of what they're choosing, what they're giving up, and how to make that choice.
But it doesn't sound like you're an annihilationist. So... why is death the cut-off point for the decision? If we're conscious and capable of thought after death, would we not be capable of changing our mind (as lamented in many a Chick Tract)? If we _can't_ change our mind after death, then "respecting our free will" is no longer relevant since we apparently no longer have any. In this case, would it not be more merciful to simply annihilate us? *On the other hand, if we **_can_** change our mind while in Hell, wouldn't a loving God welcome us if we decided to choose Him instead?*
I know that some will argue that God's _justice_ would not allow this. But in my opinion, God would not hold _punitive_ standards of justice. I view punishment-focused justice as just one step up from _revenge._ It makes the aggrieved feel a bit better while reducing the long-term feud cycles of unchecked revenge, and it _does_ provide some deterrent against future crimes. Definitely an important stage in the development of human ideas of justice... but still _deeply flawed_ and _deeply human._ Why would God use such a system? Wouldn't His view of justice be about _redemption_ and _reconciliation,_ not punishment? _Reformative_ justice rather than punitive? And how can _eternal_ punishment be useful for that?
So... if we're conscious in Hell and capable of thought and retain our free will to choose Hell or not and God desires for us to be redeemed and leave Hell... *how can it not be so?* If God willed that we leave and we willed that we leave, what could possibly prevent it? Perhaps one might argue that all those in Hell _will_ freely choose to remain there forever. But is this not merely an _exact inverse_ of the world in which everyone freely chooses to do only good, a possibility typically discarded as implausible by the free will defense for the problem of Evil?
It's interesting that you quote _The Great Divorce,_ because C.S. Lewis discusses these same ideas in it. He depicts people from Hell visiting Heaven. Some choose to go back, but _some choose to stay._ In fact, his guide within the narrative is _George MacDonald,_ a well known *Christian universalist* whose writings influenced both Lewis _and_ G. K. Chesterton. His *universal reconciliation* (which Lewis doesn't fully endorse but also _doesn't_ fully deny) is not some quick and easy "Oh God just forgives everyone!" All _have_ sinned. Humans _are_ flawed and imperfect. And correcting those flaws and imperfections can be _painful._ Antiseptic stings, but it cleanses the wound. The forge burns, but it refines the metal. Recognizing that "I've fucked up" hurts, but it helps you do better. And in the end _all_ things are made right, and _all_ things are reconciled.
I don't know for certain if there even is an all-transcendent, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving God. If there is, I certainly find myself questioning why He's so non-apparent in the world, why so many evils are allowed to go unchecked, why so many people have been allowed to do horrible things in His name. But if there _is_ such a God (and I _hope_ there is, might even _believe_ there is), I am convinced that, in the grand scheme of eternity, *Hell will be empty and all will be well.*
There is a believe not popularly known which said that hell isn't real, instead purgatory exist, where damned soul can atone for their sin. It's process of atoning sin is so hard it might be impossible without some miracle and strong will.
What i want to say is, a believe is something you want to believe. And tbh i do hope we do have choices in the afterlife if all of this is real, because i am an atheist.
If God created us in his image, how are we not inherently good?
We have inherently good value but not necessarily our moral nature, which is different.
We must ask: what is the true nature of "hell"? I would like to suggest for discussion that "hell" is a remedial space created from His great love for us in order to work through the errors in our soul that we created by disconnecting from His Love. As soon as we desire and choose to grow in love we can transcend that space known as "hell". Wishing you all well as you meditate on this.
That is not a biblical perspective.
Dr. McDowell, I liked your video, it's a really good explanation of humans being evil and humans choosing to go to Hell. God not sending people to Hell.
My question is why does God allow people that choice?
God is love (1 John 4:8 and 4:16). So we know God loves us. God had his own son killed, that's how much he loves us (John 3:16). So he gave us this option to go to heaven because he loves us. If he loves us so much why does he allow anyone to choose the other option and go to Hell. If I had a friend who I loved so much that I had to kill my own son to give him an option to not go to Hell, I would do absolutely everything in my power to make him choose to go to Heaven. So let's say there's this guy who has heard about Jesus and doesn't believe in him, to the point where he persecutes tons of Christians because they're causing so much trouble. Now this guy is on his way to another city to try to stomp out Christianity there too. Nothing anyone says will convert him. So on the road to this other city he gets struck blind and Jesus starts talking to him... Well we all know the rest of Paul's story. But the point is God could do that for anyone, and I believe he does it for a lot of people who don't believe. But some people don't believe and God let's them stay that way. So either God picks favorites and loves some people more than others and some he wants to not believe, or he's not powerful enough or knowledgeable enough to know and be able to do just the right things in everybody's life to make them choose to believe in Jesus. Hopefully this was a good explanation of my questions. At the moment I'm trying hard to still believe in the Bible but there are so many doubts I have and I'm hoping you might be able to answer this question or at least point me to someone who can so that I can at least have 1 fewer doubts about Christianity.
Not to an eternal hell. Hell is destruction. The wicked will perish and disappear after judgment.
Yup
The person pose this question to me ,and I told him I thought you believed in social justice they said it was too harsh eternity .I said the Bible is clear hell was intended for rebellious angels the Havic they created to the entire earth ,and its people doesn’t seem quite so unbalanced when you think of it this way .and after making sure 6 million Jews and millions of other people would die during World War II Hitler would have to be there for a very very long time. and if he has decided to make his life all about serving One of these entities then he needs to be with that entity an eternity!
I haven't watched the video yet, trouble sleeping but i think that people themselves sends themselves to hell.
Hell seems just like getting a lump of coal from Santa
Oh Baby it's more than that! Don't be sarcastic....it's your choice though
I believe in jesus crist
How indeed?
Hey, Sean 😁. I know people ask, "Why does a loving God send people to hell?", but I think the question people should be asking is, "Why does a loving and just God send a corrupt person to heaven?". I think that would be an interesting video to do. By the way, I'm not a doubter, but I just think that would be an interesting video. 😁
Great point, thanks!
@@SeanMcDowell 😁
How does a idiot like you make stupid comments like this. Nothing but a bunch of fear mongering imbeciles teaching people that we are all evil from birth. Just shut up already.
@@sidepot Sheesh, I was just telling Sean a great video idea, that's all. You didn't have to call me an idiot.
@@sidepot or were you calling Sean that?
How would a loving god send people to hell? There's something you might want to ask. Except Replace hell with eternal torture. Then ask the question again. How Can A Loving God Send Someone to to eternal torture? Try to build an argument off of that again.
Only that God doesn't sentense you to eternal torture. WE make the choice to love Him and obey Him. Or we make the choice to ignore Him, thus choosing hell. Simple. We all know deep down that God exists. Atheists demy it because they want to be their own Gods. But we know.
Also don't forget that hell wasn't created as a place for humans, but for satan and his angels. Satan does everything in his power to take as many children of God as he can to get back at God for kicking him out of heaven lol.
@@ashley_brown6106 Saying its you're choosing hell because you don't belive in god is like saying that you chose suicide because you decided not to give money to a wrathful invisble mugger that someone told you you should but you didn't belive him. Also, between heaven and hell, I would definitly chose heaven. if it was a real choice, god would reveal himself and then ask you where you wanted to go. People may be in denile about somethings. I don't believe in god because I thought about it and I decided that he didn't exist plus, not because I wanted to be my own god. hell, lots of people have never even heard about religion. Some people belive in different gods so you can't use the idea that you wanted to be youre own god.
It was satans who decided that everyone who didn't believe god exists should be sent to hell so does that make satan gods punisher or something? But isn't god omnicient, why can't he just take all his children out of hell? Also, I case it is all satan, does that mean god doesn't want me to go to hell whether or not I belive he exists? Its all satans fault that god, the most powerful being in the universe, can't just wipe out easily.
@@MJ-pu5lf bold of you to assume what God would think and do🤣😆
If Christ meant for Hades/Gehenna to be a literal punishment of fire, darkness and pain, then he threw away the Old Testament, adopted the pagan Jewish myths 100-200 BC
of Hades/Gehenna (1 Enoch, Judith), and he was just another rabbi of his culture.
I actually disagree with this. I don't have an issue with God sending people to hell. My thing is, having a place where "souls" will be tormenting for eternity is my issue. I just can't see a loving God doing that or finding pleasure in seeing his most beloved creation suffering for ever. So, this is what I think is going to happen. 1) hell is not a place, is just the eternal separation from the presence of God. And 2) on his second coming, God will wipe out all evil from this earth. So, that means that all the people that chose "to go to hell", will die forever, therefore, superarted from the presence of God. There will be no evil at all, nothing, nada.
He does not find pleasure in people choosing other than Him. Also,The two choices of external destination are forever because souls were created to live forever. The place of damnation was originally made for satan and his helpers.
2 Peter 3:9 (ESV)
9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
GOD is so merciful with us that He doesn't sent no one to hell, is our very bad vigeivor that take us to destrucion
Uh huh. Who made the rules that supposedly send us to hell? Is God all-powerful? If so, does he have the power to change his rules? To make exceptions to his rules? If not, why not, if he is all-powerful?
@@chuckm1961 I dont think the "power to change His rules" is the right way to look at it, I respect your objection but God always acts in accordance with his nature. and His nature is just. A just judge doesn't just drop the charges on every criminal. That would not be justice.
@George Laham The problem with your theory is Proverbs 16:4.
@@derrickmcfall8702 Yes, if you start with the presumption and assumption that everything God does is just, then find that everything God does is just, then you will find evidence that Everything God does is just. You’re starting with your conclusion, then Finding everything you see happens to support your conclusion.
Bad things happen to good people. Every day. Every second of every day.
@@derrickmcfall8702 By the “standard” that has always been used, a general consensus about what advances the well-being of the largest number of people.
That’s why slavery was permitted in the Bible, then used by some to justify slavery in early America, and is now condemned as immoral.
God didn’t change. We did.
We are the ones who decide what is just and unjust.
Pretending there is a “God” behind the decision is absurd.
Or it’s a human construct to encourage adherence to that particular religious ideology
So humans 'choose' nonending torture,does sean really believe this?
not believing something (in this case a book) has no connection with wanting to be tortured for eternity (or even for a short time),how can anybody connect them?
(seemingly only in the 'logic' of the religious. )
I don't know where you're getting your theology from, but its incorrect, 'the law is written on our hearts' we don't need the book to know whats right and wrong, people can choose to do what's right, 'be honest' or chose to do whats wrong 'tell lies' as an example, when we leave this world we go to a place that fits our behavior, good people go to paradise, bad people go to a place of sin corresponding to how they lived, its totally fair
If hell is real, then why did God tell the Jews that BURNING THEIR CHILDREN ALIVE to the false god molech was an abomination to him? Jer 32:35 AND that it NEVER entered His mind. If hell is real then how can every knee bow and every tognue confess Christ is Lord? Isaiah 45:23, Rom 14:11, Phil 2:10. If hell is real how can ALL things be subdued to Christ? 1Cor 13:28, Phil 3:21, Heb 2:8 If hell is real and most of humanity are going there to remain in a state of nerve pain eternal torture and agony forever and ever and ever and evermore with no chance to escape then HOW DO WE UNDERSTAND that Jesus destroyed death and him that had the power of death? Heb 2: 14-15, 1John3:8, Hosea 13:14, 1Cor15:55-56
Your first contention actually supports why hell is real - people who burns children alive needs to go to hell.
Isaiah 45:23 - the keyword is "will" - in the future, that WILL happen - perhaps when The Kingdom of God is finally here. In context of Romans 14:11 it is during judgement day. Before that, plenty of folks cursed and rejected God. Furthermore, the context of Isaiah 45 is when God declares to all nations, after their idols failed them, that God Himself is the only truth and way to salvation.
Romans 14:11 - not a stand alone passage, its context can be derived from Romans 14:10 and Romans14:12, which speaks of a time when all is judged before God.
Pretty much the same can be said about Phillipians 2:10, it is a promise the the whole world WILL know who the True God is.
Phillipians 3:21 - yet another contention that is totally out of context. The entire chapter is about a promise of what is ahead for believers when we perervere, that God is in control, and will fulfill His promise. How does this equate 1:1 that hell is real or not? EDIT: but I will play. Everything is under Christ's subjucation and that includes hell. If He wants to let it go on forever more, that will be done. If He wants it gone, it will be gone. PRAISE JESUS!
The point is:
Please apply those verses mentioned by the O.P. within context, folks. But O.P. brought a valid point that one of those passages may also convey that annihilation is possible.
BTW - although I believe hell is real, it is ultimately up to God who will end up there. As I mentioned, it seems annihilation is also on the table. The point is, God wants everybody to be reconciled to Him by accepting Christ and repent. Knowing our propensity to rebel, ignore, and reject Him, God uses a very stern warning for the eternal consequence of rejecting Him.
@@jw2442 How can every tongue confess and every knee bow in both heaven and earth and under the earth glorify God if the only way to say Jesus is Lord is by the Holy Spirit?
My reason for quoting Jeremiah 32: 35 are in the words " never entered His mind" Who's mind is this verse talking about? God of course. Now why would the burning of children or anyone be disgusting and an abomination to God? Scripture says God does not change, nor lie. Oh burning someone alive certainly entered in into man's heart but NEVER God's
So did all the people who lived in the Americas for 1500 years before the Europeans explored and bringing the message of Christianity go to hell? Plus it's crazy we even use the word Hell. That word never came out of Jesus's mouth.
Matthew 25:46 (ESV)
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life
This is Jesus speaking.
I was listening until you said something false and that is, "God is a respecter of persons," in Acts 10:34 the King James Version it says,
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons.
Please pray to be guided by truth.
The problem is not that people might have to endure a period of suffering to deal with the pain they caused others but that this suffering is eternal. It's the eternality of this suffering that would make god a moral monster. David Bentley Hart is very good on this.
time does not work the same in the spirit world, God created paradise for people, not hell, if they go there its with warning and their choice, no one 'accidentally' goes there
Nobody goes to hell for sin if they are born again. Jesus died for our sins .
I actually don't agree with the idea that God doesn't send people to Hell, I think that can get turned on it's head by reading scripture. I think the better way to put it, is that people put themselves in the position to be sent to hell. A righteous judge still has to either set a person free or actively send them to prison. Same with God. God did not force the people into the position, like the judge didn't, but God must be just and righteous in his actions. So, God DOES send people to hell, but it is we who choose which lane we want to walk in.
Greetings in Christ Jesus our blessed Savior, our Redeemer, our Lord and our God. Amen! How refreshing! Bang on! Additionally, did you notice at 5:23 or so Sean says God is a respecter of persons? That's opposite to scripture, Romans 2:11, Acts 10:34. God is NOT a respecter of persons. Helloooo He's GOD! So much error! GOD is sovereign and will do what He has promised. To those who believe unto eternal life, unto those who reject the love of GOD in Christ, judgement in the lake of fire where the smoke of their torment never ceases. Humbly in Christ, TJBreen
@Tom Bladecki Wow... okay then...
Being created is being put in that position, especially when he knew he was gonna torture sinners in the lake of fire.
who would choose to be tormented in hell ?...the Bible doesnt say folks choose hell
The default ending is everyone goes to hell, he just picks some to let come to heaven instead. And yes, God does send people there, unless God is not in control.
He doesn't "pick" them, they pick HIM. And yes, He is in control, but He's not in control of our free will. WE make the choice to love Him and obey Him. Or we make the choice to ignore Him, thus choosing hell. Simple.
@@ashley_brown6106 How many people do you actually think would pick eternal torment and fore for eternity?
@@nategraham6946 you'd be surprised, but quite a few! There are people out there I've had conversations with, that declare that they can't worship God because they consider Him a dictator, and they'd preffer to live life on their own terms even if it means eternal torment. I've even heard someone say that they enjoy torment very much, and they can't wait tobe tortured for all eternity. Lost, damaged souls beyond repair!
@@nategraham6946 basically anyone who hates God would preffer hell over spending eternity with Him.
@@ashley_brown6106 And how did said souls get that way? The life God gave them.
How about babies? Sorry this is a sincere question 🙏🏻
They are with God they haven't reached an age of accountability I think 7 years so they would be alright, and will be with God in heaven
In the bible their is not an age of accountability.
So the young man who came to you was troubled by the idea of hell and his "problem" was to think that people are basically good?? And you tried to talk him out of it?! This is how horrible evangelical christianity is. The "good news" is that alot of the people we love will be in torment forever, whilst we "enjoy" heaven. How on earth I would enjoy heaven with my loved ones screaming forever is beyond me. It is cruel. Whether you're a 14 year old who has hardly lived, or a 100 year old makes no difference, you're off to hell if you don't believe. All those people you mentioned killed by dictators, most will end up in hell. I could never worship such a God.
"If Hell were real, each occupant would be a shining reminder that God has failed."
-Robert Ingersoll
Failed how? Please explain sense heaven is open to everyone.
Wouldn't it be more of an individual failure? God is damned if He does not save everyone and damned if He does?
@@somethingtothinkabout167 He can't save you against your will
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“If hell were real...”
God did not create robots. That wouldn’t benefit humanity.
God created humans that can choose.
He didn’t put them in an absolute sterile environment without other options or they might as well be robots.
The fall of Adam was not a shock or surprise to an omniscient God.
The death of Jesus, his son, was not plan B.
The creation of mankind is his most generous act secondary only to man’s redemption.
God had to create a person that was capable of choosing and also had a will of his own.
Salvation by faith in Christ’s death and resurrection is the mechanism by which a man can choose to subject his will to his creator.
Doing so, he receives forgiveness of sin, eternal life, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which provides fellowship with his creator.
It is the perfect plan to create creatures that are not robots, who have choice, whose will is not violated and then share himself with them.
Some will persist in refusing him. Those will be sent to hell, where they can have everything they wanted for all eternity, that is: themselves, and to be god of their little corner of hell.
😂 Robert Ingersoll is enjoying his favorite poet for all eternity... “Robert burns”
The atheist cries, “God’s mean or God failed.”
“it’s always someone else’s fault.”
If hell was not real, then we wouldn't be seeing it made manifest in the lives of men now. Hence the expression, Hell on Earth!
I'm disappointed. I do not choose to go to hell. But Christianity says I will if I don't believe. Unfortunately I CAN'T believe in Jesus because it doesn't make sense to me. All I could do is SAY I believe, but God sees right through that because he knows my heart. What am I supposed to do?
follow your conscious, do what's right and dedicate yourself to Truth, gaining knowledge and wisdom, thats a good start
@@stephenkaake7016 Thank you. I have been pursuing God for at least 25 years, but He hasn't led me to Jesus. At least not yet. God is perfectly capable of changing my mind any time He chooses.
@@gregorywilliams5105 a friend led me to Jesus, he told me to pray to him as I was going to sleep, I felt his presence surround me and we went on a trip in the spirit world, he confirmed what he taught in the bible, I had extreme anxiety at the time and he said 'do not worry, it won't add a day to your life' so I make an effort to not worry about things, after I woke up in the middle of the night I felt his energy, He's Powerful, Loving and Wise, when he's with you he makes you feel like you are the best thing God ever created
@@stephenkaake7016 That's great to hear. I did have what I believe was a very powerful spiritual experience about 25 years ago. It changed me. I felt God's presence, and it seemed like He was guiding me for several months afterwards. A lot of things happened that I couldn't explain, both internally and events seemed to fall into place. I do remember being somewhat surprised that there was nothing about Jesus during my experience. I talked to several Christian pastors about it, and they weren't very helpful. Despite my genuine efforts, Jesus or the truth of the bible hasn't been part of my experience.
@@gregorywilliams5105 just curious what spiritual things have you been interested in, all truth has a level to to it, have you ever read dr david r hawkins book, power vs force? its a entry book to enlightenment, my favorite book is 'truth vs falsehood'
God does send people to hell stop sugar coating.
If sending people to hell did not mean eternal torment or in other words torture, the bible doesn’t say you evil if you’re not perfect being good has nothing to do with being saved. God does send people to hell because author of all things so if it’s penultimately your choice then god has no power over you once you’re created. You even admit being saved has nothing to do with being good but believing. Eternal torment is unbecoming of a omnbenevolent god and if you can’t be good without god why are atheists not murdering and stealing? (I’m referring in general) you don’t need god to know killing is bad.
I think you mean "freewill" not Freewill.
There are some major holes in Sean's interpretation of scripture on this issue.
- Sean claims that God doesn't send people to hell but that people send themselves. This does not align with Luke 12:5 which shows God as the one literally throwing people into Gehenna. Also, Sean is incorrectly equating the choice to rebel with determining God's response to rebellion. Humans choose to rebel. Humans do NOT determine what God's response to rebellion will be. God and God alone chooses how he will respond. If people end up in hell due to their rebellion, that is because God has chosen to respond to their rebellion by throwing people in hell. -- No one would defend an abusive parent who said their child "chose" to be burned in hot oil because they talked back to the parent. The parent would be the one who chose to respond with excessive punishment, though not nearly as excessive as hell.
- Sean says God is a respecter of persons and will not force someone to believe in Him. That is not correct if eternal hell is real. Saying "believe in Me or be burned alive forever" is not a free choice. That is extreme duress, similar to (but much more extreme than) a terrorist saying they obtained a "free" confession from someone while holding a gun to that person's head.
- Ez 18:23 talks about the death of the wicked: they stop breathing. If you read the chapter, it is talking about physical death. Being burned alive in the afterlife is not a concept found in this passage. Why must Sean impose this idea on it?
- At 6:18, Sean asks the wrong question. It's not "can't God just forgive," but "can't God just punish sin in a way that brings about repentance." Hebrews 12:6 says God takes this exact approach. Sean sets up a false dichotomy in which he imagines that God has only two choices: either burn people alive forever or do absolutely nothing to punish wrongdoing. The reality is that God can respond to sin any way he chooses. As already discussed, the Bible talks about God correcting people in a restorative way. The Bible also says that the wages of sin is death - not being burned alive forever, just death. This is confirmed in the OT as sin is atoned when blood is spilled. Neither the sacrificial animals nor Jesus were burned alive to atone for sins. They all simply died.
- At the end of the video, Sean asserts that Jesus taught about hell, which I believe is invoking the name of the Lord in vain (claiming Jesus said things He did not). According to the Bible, Jesus warned the Jews about being thrown into Gehenna, and we know that Jews were indeed thrown into it in 70AD. Curiously, Jesus did NOT warn Gentiles about being thrown there. Neither did Paul, who claimed to have preached the entire gospel. Paul only mentions Hades one time, just to say that Christ has victory over it.
- Another major flaw in Sean's interpretation is that the OT does not talk about burning people alive in the afterlife. In fact, the prophets spend chapters (and chapters and chapters) talking about the consequences of sin, but all of the consequences they mention are catastrophes IN THIS LIFE. Think about it: God sends his chosen messengers to warn people about what will happen if they rebel, but ALL of those messengers fail to mention the ONE consequence that really matters, the one that lasts for eternity! It's impossible to overstate how misleading the prophets were if eternal hell is real. Perhaps Sean has simply misunderstood Jesus' words about Gehenna. That's far more likely than the idea that God simply didn't warn humans about the "real" consequence of rebellion for most of human history.
"All who are in Hell choose it." This makes no sense. Christopher Hitchens pointed out the ridiculousness of the Christian idea that we choose what to believe. Most of the people that God supposedly condemns people to Hell will be there because they don't believe, not because they chose not to believe.
Christopher lacked humility, he was prideful, which is a sin, while holding onto sin, a person cannot enter heaven, they must repent, all he had to do was ask 'If you exist God, please save me' 'all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved'
@@stephenkaake7016 Seriously? You seriously think that a person only needs to pray, and God will somehow make him believe?
@@jaehwan123 Christianity is not about 'proving God exist' St paul said 'everyone has enough information so there is no excuse' Christianity is about saving souls from Hell, the place Jesus warned about, if someone wants to be saved from Hell, they have to ask God to save them from it, if they want to go to hell, thats their choice, but not God's Will, God's will is for all to repent, to 'Care and Do What's Right', as Jesus said 'Love God, and Love thy neighbor as yourself'
there are plenty of 'near death experiences' where someone dies and ends up in hell, or are shown hell, they are told this is where you'll spend eternity if you don't change, they then choose God and his Will, which is the path of Virtue, Caring and Doing what's right
@@stephenkaake7016 It's a religion that requires belief in the supernatural. You do realize that, right?
@@jaehwan123 for something to be real or not does not require belief in it, Howard Storm was a die hard atheist, Had No Belief in God or the Spirit World, dies and ends up in Hell, Jesus Pulls him out czcams.com/video/Vm647n1360A/video.html
God does not love everyone:
You hate all who do iniquity Psalm 5.5
God keeps all who love him but the wicked he will destroy Psalm 145.20
He's said to be a God of love even in the bible so therefore, love everyone even sinners.
@@Debertan1998 did you even read what i wrote? He loves sinners that repent. he will not love anyone outside of Christ. he cannot because he is holy. God is love for believers and wrath for the unrepentant
Yes, and the word " hate" trips people up because we think of it in human feelings and emotions. When reading passages I context, it is showing he dislikes man's iniquity and rejection of the right path.
Acts 10:34 God is not a respecter of persons. This guy follows Catholic writers more than the Bible.
Imagination is God in man, waking happens in the fact men live more than once and no ones lost unless you think God isn't in man who experience it all. Romans 11:28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all,
you don't grasp what your natural mind believes that's blind by God in you! No ones lost..
Jesus taught that body and soul are destroyed in Hell; He never taught that body and soul are eternally preserved unto torture in Hell. Those are mutually exclusive. Believe what Jesus taught; it really is that simple.
Sorry dude, it's not nearly that simple. If Jesus did exist than you only have access to an interpretation of an interpretation ... of an interpretation of what Jesus taught. On top of which you, as a fallible human being will again make you own interpretation. Neither you or I or any other primate has any authority to hold his or her own interpretation over that of anybody else's. Unless of course you are claiming that you spoke with Jesus directly and he told you verbatim exactly what the correct and complete story is. In which case, kindly record the conversation next time. To verify that it's actually Jesus talking, kindly ask him to speak in a way such that everyone who listens to the recording will hear it in their preferred language. This will be no problem for Jesus. A written transcript as well for those who are deaf, again just have Jesus snail mail or email to everyone interested and have this be in their preferred language.
Looking forward to the results.
He stated it simply here...at the end of the age when the wheat and tares( believers and unbelievers) are separated out.
Matthew 25:46 (ESV)
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Seeing the word "eternal" in an English version of the Bible does not mean that word is in the original text. Translating aiōnion and its other forms as "eternal" is dubious because the words are sometimes used to refer to things with finite duration.
This is the weakest part of Western Christianity.
How can you not see that an all-powerful God who creates beings, all of whom become worthy of eternal torture, is an absurd failure and not worthy of worship?
Enjoy your Decision
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Are choices
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its Absurd and demonic and shows its a Cult
It’s obvious the intent of this strategy, to encourage adherence with threats of torture
That only if you assume that God did not foresee this. The Bible says that God planned our salvation even before the beginning of time. He knew we'd fail, but to God, that is better than creating robots sans free will that is totally opposite of His attributes.
@@jw2442 or he gave us freewill because he wanted evil acts to be committed
Up until about 500 A.D., Christian beliefs about hell were reasonable and beautiful. The prevailing view then was that hell (the lake of fire, actually) not only punished but also purified the unrighteous. It was temporary -- each person's finite punishment would fit their finite crimes (sins). (The Greek speaking early church fathers knew that _aionios,_ the Greek word that is mistranslated as "eternal" in our English Bibles, doesn't really mean "eternal.") Once a person's punishment and purification were complete, he or she would go to heaven. Everyone would eventually make it into heaven and be blessed, with heavenly rewards varying by person, based on the lives they led.
For supporting verses & quotes, see my two replies. God bless!
Some verses which promise, imply or strongly suggest eventual universal salvation:
"As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive ... God [will] be all in all." (1 Cor. 15:22,28)
"As one trespass [Adam's] led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness [Jesus'] leads to justification and life for all men." (Rom. 5:18)
"God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Rom. 11:32,36)
"...every knee shall bow to me [God], and every tongue shall confess to God." (Rom. 14:11)
" ... at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Phil. 2:10-11)
"And I [Jesus], when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." (John 12:32)
"And every creature which is in heaven and on earth and under the earth I heard saying, 'Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb forever.'" (Rev. 5:13)
"O you who hear prayer, to you shall all flesh come. When iniquities prevail against me, you atone for our transgressions." (Psalm 65:2-3)
"All your works shall give thanks to you, O Lord." (Psalm 145:10a)
"I will not contend forever, nor will I always be angry; for the spirit would grow faint before me, and the breath of life that I made." (Isa. 57:16)
"The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end." (Lam. 3:22)
Also see John 17:2, combination of (John 3:35, 6:37), Rom. 5:19-20, 8:19-21, Eph. 1:10, Phil. 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Rev. 22:1,14-15,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, Lam. 3:31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3, The Total Victory of Christ videos.
Some revealing quotes from leading early church fathers:
"Christ saves all men. Some he converts by penalties, others who follow Him of their own will ... that every knee may be bent to Him, of those in heaven, on earth, and under the earth" [Isa. 45:22-23, Rom. 14:11, Phil. 2:10-11, Rev. 5:13] -- *Clement of Alexandria,* _Commentary on 1 John_
"When death shall no longer exist, nor the sting of death, nor any evil at all, then, verily, God will be All in all" [1 Cor. 15:28,55] -- *Origen,* _De Principiis 3:6.3_
"What else does 'until the times of universal restoration' signify to us, if not the aeon to come, in which all beings must receive their perfect restoration?" [Acts 3:21] -- *Eusebius,* leading historian of the early church, _Contra Marcellum __2:4:11_
"A few drops of blood renew the whole world, and become for all men that which rennet is for milk, uniting and drawing us into one." [Col. 1:15-20] -- *Gregory Nazianzus,* _Oration 42_
"Christ captured over again the souls captured by the devil, for that He promised in saying, 'I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto Me.'" [John 12:32, 1 Peter 3:19-20, 4:6, Psalm 68:18, Eph. 4:8-10, and maybe Matt. 12:29] -- *Athanasius,* _Expositions on the Psalms, 68.18_
"The peace [coming] from the Lord is coextensive with all time [eternity]. For all things shall be subject to him, and all things shall acknowledge his empire; and when God shall be all in all, those who now excite discords by revolts, having been quite pacified, [all things] shall praise God in peaceful concord." [Psalm 145:10a, 1 Cor. 15:28, Rev. 5:13] -- *Basil,* _Commentary on Isaiah 9:6_
"So the Son of Man came to save that which was lost, i.e., all, for as in Adam all die, so, too, in Christ shall all be made alive." [Luke 19:10, 1 Cor. 15:22] -- *Ambrose,* _Exposition on the Gospel of Luke 15.3_
"For the wicked there are punishments not perpetual, ... but they are to be tormented for a certain brief period, according to the amount of malice in their works. They shall therefore suffer punishment for a short space, but immortal blessedness, having no end, awaits them; ... the penalties to be inflicted for their many and grave crimes are very far surpassed by the magnitude of the mercy to be showed them. The resurrection, therefore, is regarded as a blessing, not only to the good, but also to the evil." [Isa. 57:16], *Diodore,* _De Oecon_
"Some among the wise and learned … have alluded to this in an enigmatic way, by adducing that God is not only just, but also merciful, and that it becomes the One who judges with justice to have sinners suffer in a measure that is proportional to their sins and then make them worthy of blessedness." -- *Theodore,* _Liber Scholiorum, 2:63_
"'All the kings of the earth shall adore him.' Some, indeed, in the present life willingly, but all the rest after the Resurrection; for not yet do we see all things subject to him, but then every knee shall bow to him." [The "kings of the earth" are rebellious unbelievers in Rev. 6:15, 17:2,18, 18:3,9, 19:19,21 ... but check out what happens in Rev. 21:24-27!] -- *Theodoret,* _On Psalm 72:11_
"Death shall come as a visitor to the impious; it will not be perpetual; it will not annihilate them; but will prolong its visit, till the impiety which is in them shall be consumed." [Matt. 5:26] -- *Jerome,* _On Micah 5:8_
"After the complete abolition of sin, praise shall be sung to God; which praise contain (implies) our being incapable of turning to sin ... when every created being shall be harmonized into one choir ... and when, like a cymbal, the reasonable creation, and that which is now severed by sin ... shall pour forth a pleasing strain, due to mutual harmony. Then comes the praise of every spirit for ever abounding with increase unto eternity." [Psalm 150] -- *Gregory of Nyssa,* _On Psalms, Tract 1, ch. 9_
Other church fathers who believed in eventual universal salvation include *Asterius, Bardaisan, Cyril of Alexandria, Didymus the Blind, Dionysius, Ephrem the Syrian, Gennadius, Hilary, John Cassian, John Chrysostom, Marcellus, Maximus the Confessor, Maximus of Turin, Methodius, Paulinus, Proclus, Titus of Basra & Victorinus.*
Sources: Thomas Allin, _Christ Triumphant,_ Annotated by Robin Parry edition, chapters 4-5, 1905 & Ilaria Ramelli, _A Larger Hope?, Volume 1: Universal Salvation from Christian Beginnings to Julian of Norwich,_ 2019
Sorry people: the world is filled with GOOD PEOPLE. The claim from the Bible that there is nobody who is good is simply not true. Even if there is a punishment for evil and bad, torture forever is terrible. No. If somebody did unspeakable evil, public firing squad is fine. Forever torture? I could not do that to them even if they had killed my family. Hell makes absolutely NO sense.
Enoch and Elijah both went straight to heaven, how could God allow people who have sinned even once in His presence? It’s not lining up, also just because people are evil and some are drastically evil that doesn’t mean they should be placed in an eternally alive fire that scorches everything it comes in contact with that’s torture even for drastically evil people, Hitler wasn’t some supernatural demon dude who can levitate objects with his mind, know the thoughts of every human and has super durability
Hitler was still human that’s just as perceptible to pain as any human being, just put Hitler in timeout for a few years and he would probably be good as any normal human being if he gets proper education.
Hell also makes no sense to me. A true loving God who created a world of free will is definitely aware people can turn evil but will forgive them anyway. I think this world was created the way it was to truly understand what love is. Reincarnation however will make a lot of sense. Maybe bad people or evil people get reincarnated till they truly know what love is before they join God in a loving and peaceful environment. Hell is probably just a scam created by religions. Hell and a loving God together makes no sense and doesnt work. Its more of a God of fear and control.
As I may have shared, I have always had the attitude of submitting myself to God no matter what. Four months ago I was going through a tough philosophical period hence my comments above. I finally realized my smallness and God's greatness and, once I once again submitted to God, I realized I have no place telling God what to do and how to run His kingdom. If He says Hell is a reality, then it is. Granted it is hard to accept and believe, but given the FACT there is a God, and given the FACT He has revealed Himself to us through many prophets over the millennia and finally through the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), I must humbly accept what He says and that's it. Otherwise it's chaos and no certainty about anything. Without God we are just fancy cockroaches running to hide when we see the light. In the end, true faith, belief, and bowing down before Almighty God is the only way to go. Hell real? Then do what it takes not to end up there. Hitler in hell forever? No problem, by the way.
God is the standard of good. Without god there is no good. Godly people are good yes. If people don’t have have god they aren’t good. They are only doing good for selfish ambition
If sin is so serious, then why should God forgive us and let us go to heaven MERELY BECAUSE WE ASK HIM TO? This does not seem fair or just at all.
In fact, I think even asking for forgiveness at all would be pretty insulting to God. Disgusting actually.
Seems like the best thing to do would be to accept responsibility and go to hell willingly.
He sent his son Jesus to be the sacrifice for our sins. John 3:16,17
Kim, then everyone is going to heaven.
@@mattr.1887 no. You must repent and believe that Jesus died and rose again. We do deserve hell, but like I said before, John 3:16,17. Most people will reject God's gift of eternal life and end up in hell.
If your repentance and belief is what saves you, then there was no need for Jesus to die.
@@mattr.1887Hi, my understanding is rather that not repentence and belief itself saves you but Jesus saves you. How?
He was a Man who died and resurected starting a new mankind: new born in spirit.
And from that moment whoever believes in him (as new Adam) is new born in spirit as he was.
So people need Jesus as a new Adam from whom everybody raises to new life from spirit.
The same as people needed first Adam to be born from flesh.
Repentance and belief is what turns you to this new life because the rest is true: we are sinful from first Adam and we inherited death in this flesh from him. To live in eternity we need new body and spirit from new Adam.
A'dam means Mankind by the way.
Personally I believe that everybody has a chance, even after death, to accept new life in Jesus.
The ones who accept still in this life have just peace and hope right now, right here, having faith that their life will not end, while the others live in threat of eternal death.
Jesus said that he came to save the world, not to save believers, and I believe he was the winner in this task, not the loser.