The Zeno Theory.
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I will be diving into the "Zeno Theory" by going over Zeno’s history in the series, general motives, and showing - with evidence - how he is the God of Destruction for THIS multiverse (they are potentially more multiverses as well).
After watching the video feel free to leave any and all counter points in the comments below - I love a good discussion.
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Zeno created that button he gave to Goku to travel to him or call him!! So yes he creates, in fact created something rather powerful (not even Whis can travel in an instant)
No se compara con lo que ha destruido
I was thinking about the same thing while watching this
@@IamUltraR Kai's can use Kai Kai which is infact instant its how they got to zenos palace at first c:
And yet the Supreme Kai can. A being far inferior to Whis.
@@barbarianbijuu yea but for the button, zeno can appear with a tap of that button, for the Kai Kai in video timing it takes about 4 or so seconds to do it, and yes I know that Whis stated it on both versions of dbs that the kais can get there in an instant.
I think Zeno would've been capable of making universes on his own, or with the help of the Grand Priest, and that's why he so casually destroys 6 universes long before DBS and would casually destroy the other 12 universes during the ToP, and that's why he employs Gods of Destruction to destroy planets within those universes. That why Zeno plays a game with planetoids that can easily destroy them. He doesn't care if he destroys anything because no one is his friend, besides Goku or Future Zeno, and before making those friends or if they were selfish during the ToP, he could just make another multiverse to replace the multiverse that disappointed him.
Gah dayum
Tbh the planetoid game looks fuj i wanna play it
@@someweebeyart864 Oh yeah totally. Zeno is practically playing Microsoft Windows' 3D Pinball Space Cadet with the Multiverse.
@@nearthe2nd lmao
W theory
Zeno represents the fans of dbs, as the fans get excited when a tournament happens, and have great power, as the person can simply switch the channel, “erasing” all the universes, or the multiverse. That is why even gods such as beerus fear Zeno despite his childlike self. As beerus says, “what does Zeno see in that mortal” as Zeno/fans of dbs enjoy Goku as a character and how interesting he is
Edit: this actually has been confirmed by Toryama I believe (hope I spelt his name right )
BeastFN I think you mean if we as the viewers aren’t interested the show or in this case the universe . Will be canceled or “destroyed”
Yes that is correct
Perfect
Sorry to be that guy but it's Toriyama
Only one missing letter
@@themanwithnoname5870 Tbf, if it mattered that much (not claiming you are saying it is, just regular conversation), you could go all in and use the actual Japanese spelling. "鳥山 明" from now on. Or we could go silly with it and call him "bird mountain", cause that's what "Toriyama" means with that kanji.
What if Captain Ginyu body swapped with Zeno
Captain ginyu will only have the body not the power
@@topseynerve
Maybe Zeno isn't actually strong, he just has the ability to erase whatever he wants inmediately.
Matt I. Thats makes no sesnse
@@topseynerve Does that mean if he gets used to his new body he will become the strongest being? Since he has more fighting technique than zeno, would he be even more powerful than the Gran Priest theory in this video?
Also, what would happen to Zeno in ginyu's body?
Something ive always wondered:
Zeno can erase grand priest
But can grand priest reach zeno and kill him before zeno closes his hand?
Who knows
Usman.Mannan360 the problem with that is that if Zeno is killed the grand priest goes dormant
Dragon Jay Z that’s only if this theory is true
Sebastian Ramirez Ik I’m saying that he grand priest couldn’t kill Zeno if he wanted to for that reason. As a thought debunker.
@@PlayerJay425 So technically if Zeno dies everyoen does well we know about Beerus because supreme kai will did and then Beerus dies like the Shin guy
We know that it was said by one of the kais that Zeno can’t be killed so Idk.
Isn't it ironic how in a way, the most godly character is the most down to earth
I think that Zeno is that multiverses G.O.D and there are more multiversal gods
Same
There are probably different parts of the multiverse which the other multiversal gods are
@@gelly8034 i think when talking about more than one multiverse the term that is used is omniverse (or that could just be a ben 10 reference but the name is still good though maybe zennoverse or xenoverse would also work)
@@TheSpencermacdougall true because the omniverse is all multiverse combined I think
If someone's job is to destroy stuff, there must be one who's job is to create stuff, right ?
There’s many flaws in the argument.
He is presented as ruler of the multiverse. Also erasing is not destructing. For every god of destruction there’s a supreme kai. Zeno is meant to be both. Just because you don’t see him create doesn’t mean he doesn’t. You don’t see the supreme kai do any creating and that is literally his job.
The kai equivalent would probably be zalama, the dude who created the dragonballs
Even tho his race isn’t kai, the manga showed that you can still be a kai in training with future trunks taking that role
zalama's dragon balls still work so maybe he is somehow sealed, like the Z sword or in an entity like Buu
You know that Zeno is the weakest character if he doesn't use his power but he can beat Yamcha easily
I get it he has no combat experience so is physically weak but he can easily erase universes
so just he can destroy anything but will not defeat anyone with punches except yamcha
@@filindoyt6594 And Hercule Satan
Juan Gustavo No he isn’t, he just can’t fight. I don’t know why everyone says this, but even if he has no fighting technique, he could still one-shot anyone in the DB universe apart from the Grand Minister, that’s like saying Broly was the weakest because he couldn’t fight either.
@@georgeescott05 no he's weak as well
We need a buddy comedy with Zeno and Dr Manhatten getting into lovecraftian level shenanigans
Hey Carthu, I’ve got a good video topic in mind that I’d love to see your opinion on. How do you think Trunks’ “Super Saiyan Rage” transformation works? All we really know is that it was enough to catch Black off guard multiple times, and that it was achieved through sheer anger and well, rage. In my opinion, I feel like the form’s strength is based on the amount of anger or rage the user has while in the state, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on the transformation, like your opinion on a hypothetical multiplier, or general strength range
The Spirit Bomb stored
@@javonsmith3064 that’s how the sword of hope was created
@@astralmaster witch fuelled trunk's he absorbed the energy of the spirit sword
In my head cannon the super saiyan rage was achieved because trunks was surrounded by god ki users... everywhere! We know saiyans are very adaptive so in my opinion his body probably absorbed or adapted to copy to god ki and combine it with super saiyan... plus trunks’ sheer rage he created a new form.
One thing you didn't adress: Every GoD has not only an angelic attendant but also a kaioshin. So who is Zen-Oh's kaioshin? Is it Zalama? Or is it someone else?
Grand preist
Future_Gaming 2 no the grand priest is zeno’s angelic attendant, not the kaioshin
@@SebastianRamirezzzz Same thing. Or have you miss the relationship between Beerus and Whis. Maybe we just haven't seen the grand priest "put his foot down"
@@spcmartin420 I don’t think that is in his nature. He’s a servant and as an angel he only does his job.
@@spcmartin420 angels and kai are not the same thing.
I can see what you mean.
Like, if this was true, then how beerus has hakai zeno has its own technique of destruction
I see it as, All of the powers thats Gods and mortals have are always an extension of a technique created based off of something Zeno is capable of. The ability to destroy anything given to Hakaishin, the ability to create to the Kais, and so on.
Yeah but Zeno also creates so
Cause he created the zeno button so that comparison might not be correct
Great channel man, keep up the great work
If there are multiple universes with multiple Zenos then why was Zeno completely alone then? Wouldn't he be able to find a friend with others who will treat him like an equal?
Because he's not outside of time. There's multiple universes and one Zeno in one single timeline, and another multiple universes and one Zeno in another timeline
Hmm.. I never thought of that thanks for the great video dude
This is why people think the grand priest is the strongest
1. All zeno does is destroy which classifies him as a destroyer
2. The grand priest is the father of all Angel's which classifies him as a angel
3. All destroyers have a angel attendant
4. The Angel's are always stronger than the destroyers
That's what I think
xxviciousxx killa in the manga whis said that as far as he knew the grand priest was the strongest fighter
@@cedbluechase122 zeno isnt a fighter. And while the grand priest isnt normally stronger, hes way faster and can sneak kill zeno
Zekom but then the grand priest would just go dormant without a g.o.d.
The thing I don’t like about the way it’s worded is it says strongest fighters not beings
Zekom oh sorry I guess I misunderstood it then
If I was Zeno I would probably just go "Sup, I created you but you are allowed to do whatever you want. Just don't try to injure me in any way and you're fine."
Do what if goku allowed krillin to kill vegeta at the end of the sayian saga
@bryan diaz varela with this guys imagination I think he could make a better story
@bryan diaz varela he does it all the time
@bryan diaz varela have u never seen his what if series
@bryan diaz varela What have you been smoking?
@bryan diaz varela nothing?
An interesting idea! We haven't really received much about Zeno, but maybe someday he'll be cleared up a little!
Zeno is a child. Body and Mind. Which is why he is so dangerous, all that power in the hands of someone who doesn't understand its consequences.
The Grand Priest is the guy behind the throne, the one actually running everything.
The worst part, is while Zeno can destroy universes at whim, there is no one that we know of to counterbalance him and create new universes.
The guy who created the super dragon balls. Zalama, was his name I think. He was able to create dragon balls that have no limitation as to what you can wish for, including the resurrection of several entire universes. It’s reasonable to assume his power is at least somewhere around the level of that.
U think Zeno will be fully grown eons later
Here's a concept for you : What if you have other people pose as the heroes in the story, remember the interactive what-if? This might be even more interactive. So basically, the people have to solve the problems, or rather, they have to defeat the antagonists. So you could have a What If (Insert Scenario Here) and have the people who are in charge of the heroes making choices. For instance, finish it quickly, or let the fight the drag on. It would be kind of like Dungeons and Dragons in a way.
*Zeno appears*
Me: Hello zenni!
Zeno: Shut up, I will erase you!
Goku: HI! Zenni!
Zeno: Goku senpai 😍
Me: *Infinite fear*
Zeno: *Erases me*
It'd actually go like this
Me: hi zeno
Zeno: hi
Goku:hi zeno
Zeno:hi
*Zeno: Goku is love, Goku is life*
@@leomacuco 😂
Moral of the story, be fearless and god might just chill with you.
big brain
biggest brain
@@baki3933 zeno?!?
@@baki3933 you good
@@rafic-gs6mk hahaha
amazing video dude
You really deserve more subscribers
Awesome, on a side note I would've had the Grandpriest be the boss. Instead of Zeno.
And have zeno as his prodigy instead of his master.
But strick upbringings would isolate him from making friends, similar to Gohan and would lead to a whole new ark making up until where Goku shakes Zeno's hand.
Here I would have the Grand Priest furious that a lowey mortal would dare touch his son without consent. But let it slide once he sees' Zeno laughing for the first time in eons.
Fast forward, Goku brought future Zeno and the two boys begin playing, this would lead to a slightly irritated Grand Priest with two children to look after.
Before Goku leaves he would respectfully, ask for the Grand Priest to give Zeni some independence. Explaining that he can't make him into himself, he has to find his own potential and decisions.
Later on, this slight scale in confidence would suggest the TOP to the Grand Priest after explaining the rules, and the reasons why he would be impressed that the two Zenos thought if this all on their own.
Everything would pan out like the original, with Zeno actually being permitted to leave into the mortal realm. With a curfew of course.
I mean it's not that I hate Zeno he just had no character development.
And I would've loved to see this pan out like this.
goku acts normal next to zeno
beerus: *sweats*
supreme kai: :0
whis: 👌
I came up with the same hypothesis just a couple days ago. I have a few points that you seemed to miss so I'll probably make a similar video to this with my added points
I'm here I just wanna let u know cuz I think ur channel is gonna blow up soon so I wanna let u know I've been here for a while
"The More childish and weak looking the character is the more they're insanely powerful" - Toriyama Logic
kid majin boo, kid goku, casual broly, etc
With the way the god hiearchy is going, I'm going to say that the god after Zeno is going to be a teddy bear.
Awesome bro i love your videos
Zalami: Creation
Grand priest: Balance
Zeno: Destruction
Gods and Angels: Bowing and shaking in fear
Goku: "Yo Zeni! Suh dude!"
only the g.o.d.s were shaking not the angels
This is a really cool theory I like it and it sounds completely plausible cuz we all know if you're the top dog and you don't want to do something you don't do it 💯
Yo carthu your videos🔥
if anything this is a lesson in true humility and respect, goku is actually showing respect to zeno by being himself and honest despite his position of god of destruction, and it seems that in this show they arent exactly evil but true chaotic neutral, meaning reason and diplomacy isnt out of the question, as demonstrated by beerus, albeit in a cruel and impossible way. point is, in situations where powerful characters are true neutral, they often lean towards characters like goku because of that humility. its a breath of fresh air from being pampered and treated like a porcelain doll.
Yes first again love ur vids
Thank you but you’re not quite 1st sorry!
Ohhhh but thx for replying 👍👍👍
It hits spot on to work. We just need Toriyama to confirm this and all will be candy dandy for an interesting arc. Btw, I have a theory of my own. Goku hasn't mastered UI, why? Cause he just achieved it's complete form once and even Beerus said it. Next step for Goku is to mastered it and go higher than it is, just like Ssj in the cell arc
Well then, does that mean Zalama is scared of Zeno like Shenron is scared of Beerus?
@@thisguy6177 Shenron is just a Dragon-Clan Namekian's gift to Earth. Zalama is the creator of the Super Dragon Balls which are essentially omnipotent devices.
What if zamasu was never stopped by zeno
Zeno would notice, eventually
@@spcmartin420 it would take a lot of time. You forgot Zeno can't see things like whis or grand priest.
@@Agent-57 but eventually he would know a feeling of the universe.
I don't think Zeno is a god destruction but it's the other way around.
The gods of destruction of each universe are pale imitations and they have the power to erase but not in the same way as Zeno.
Zeno's ability seems to be to be a reset, he reverts creation back to it's original state.
I am not sure what that would be but my guess is that the place and where Goku went when the Genki Dama blew up are the same, it's a realm of pure Ki energy.
Bro I been trying to convincing my friends that zeno is a god of destruction of the multiverse but they don't believe me
He doesn't use hakai. why?
Super good nice job man
My theory is that Grand Zeno's physical strength goes beyond logical understanding and far surpasses even a fusion of all the angels including daishinkan. It just doesn't make sense that a blue and purple toddler holds such a high power and his best move is just erasing things. What if Grand Zeno encounters someone he literally cannot just erase
You should make a video on how long the saiyans will last. It is a question that has not been spoken of on CZcams as far as I’m concerned
Zeno is stronger then the GP he just isn't a fighter and why would he be? you needs to throw hands when you can just erase people .
Fr
it never stated “fighter” it said “the grand minister is the strongest person in the world” never implied fighter. gp negs zeno
When this mans said the grand priest was str onger than Zeno I was sleep asf . The anime said the grand priest was in the top 5 fighters in the multiverse not the top 5 strongest Zeno is overall stronger but he is not a fighter
And he literally said the manga said he was the strongest
In the manga he is stated to be the strongest.
I've never consider that perspective. Thanks.
If you think of Zeno and the angels as just aliens that happened to set up a government first rather than true divinity that created the multiverse, things start taking on a much different tone. Zeno may just be a child emperor from a powerful race after the previous emperor died, with the angels acting as a sort of shadow government controlling the multiverse through their closeness to the omni-king. It would explain why the grand priest seems so sinister, and so often speaks for the omni-king. What if those erased universes aren't actually erased, but are the universes where angels/kais/Zeno's come from, and are simply not gone to anymore, with the angels saying they don't exist. I mean, we're kind of just taking them all at their word for it that they're gods and angels and stuff. We've seen that destruction energy isn't something that only destroyers can use. Ultra instinct isn't something only angels can use. We've seen mortal races able to use 'divine ki'. Honestly, I think that they're just really strong races that came up with some good techniques and have a good PR game going. We've seen some areas where mortals even outperform the so called divine. People like king kai became irrelevant in power fairly quick, and even the bigger divine races like whis can be outperformed, with the yardrats developing an instantaneous movement speed that can outperform whis's fastest movement.
Dang I read that whole thing and now I'm having an existential crisis wait what if zeno was A HAMBURGER
hold on this is lowkey genius
Actually that makes perfectly sense nice video
Alternate theory name: The Beano Theory
Zeno + Bean = Beano
So since there is several multiverses then this is:Megaverse.
Omniverse
Xenoverse
Nice theory 🔥
Do what if goku always go full power
I kinda like this one. I’ll write it down.
God that zeno pic right there is looking to my into soul
Zeno be like:
Yeetus
I deleteus
Ur unvirses
MIND...........BLOWN 😳🤯, INCREDIBLE 🤓👌🏾!
Hey what about "if captian ginyu transformed into a ssj in gokus body?"
aye yow no
I love the dubbed version where zenny says "you go back or bye bye"
Zarama is the God of Creation for the multiverse. The Super Dragonballs can create and alter reality to any extent, fits the creation aspect
No, Not really.
Zeno can overpower the super dragon ball's wishes. Simple as that, it makes him stronger.
@@theoofer478 no it goes both ways zalama is more than likely stronger
@@godslayer8894 idk bro
@@theoofer478 we'll just have to wait and see
May I ask what program you use to edit your videos?
Probably Sony Vegas pro or Adobe Premiere Pro. Most popular editing softwares.
Epic video dood
In the beginning, I noticed a flaw. You said Daishinkan is the strongest but in the anime, it is stated that he is the 5th strongest in the entire multiverse
one day dragon ball is going to get so advanced that there will be multiable multiverses
Imagine using the Super Dragon Balls for a boat 💀
Earth Dragon Balls: Are we a joke to you?
Is Zalama the creator then? The Super Dragon Balls are said to grant any wish even involving Zeno himself
Maybe he the God of everyone even zeno
So the strongest character in dbs is a namekain.
No he didn't create the Multiverse, that comes in later.
No he didn't create the Multiverse but he does stand above Zeno and is equal (Maybe but probably not) to the Grand Priest.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki zalama > grand priest > zeno
good summary and analysis of Zeno's relationship with Goku. Also nice bgm, reminds me of the french child melody frerojoka or w/e.
Do you agree with the notion that Zeno is analogous with the fanbase (or at least the child fan market of Dball)? To elaborate shortly: if the kids aren't satisfied the franchise gets essentially erased
Is the song in the background from DB Super soundtrack? I am loving it.
Maybe zalama might be his supreme kai
Hi Cartu dogo thank you for teaching me what Zeno is I be watching more dragon ball videos in the future
Indeed.
Whoever Cartu is, I bet they are a true doggo
@@v-gamer64 I love this comment
Ohhhh I love the Cartu Doggo, it's even better than the Doozer Doggo and both of them are so fluffy and cute and...
Fuck man I'm pretty high.
Wrong channel this is carthu dojo carthu dogo is his dog
This vid was lit 🔥
Wow thats cool carthu
You should do a what if on if vegeta and goku had a version of them in universe 6 since aren’t they parallel universes?
Cabba and Khalifa
The intro ends at 9:28 if someone wants to skip it.
Thanks
Other Known Multiverses(if Timelines are also considered as Multiverses) that were NOT shown in the Anime:
1. Cell never showed up, meaning Piccolo never assimilated Kami, making Kami STILL Earth's Guardian
2. Cell killed Future Trunks and went back in time to create the Timeline we are currently viewing
3. Zamasu killed Gowasu, became a Supreme Kai, stole Goku's Body and killed him along with his wife and kid (that monster)
4. The Timeline Whis created by going into Future Trunks' world's past to prevent warn Future Beerus and Future Whis about Future Zamasu, most likely leading Future Beerus to erase Future Zamasu before he meets Goku Black, obtain the Super Dragon Balls to gain Immortality
How's that? It'd be cool to see the Z Fighters visit other timelines other than Future Trunks'
4:55 "Shut up, I'll erase you."
My stupid ass: pffffffffffffffffffffffft-
What Im wondering is that since all GoDs are linked to their universe's Supreme Kai, a creator god, who and where is Zeno's Omni Kai?
If the Grand Zeno is the GoD of the Multiverse where are the Kais of the Multiverse?
the GP being stronger could explain how the angels didn't get erased or why they are so chill around zeno while the G.O.D freak out.
There has to be multiple multiverses in dragonball only traversable through time travel, which the humans invent. So multiple universes in groups of 12 - 18, each with their own version of Zeno, copied an infinite number of times for all the different timelines that could possible exist. Cool.
Hey I swear Zeno told the guards that they would go bye bye instead of saying shut up
what if goku wished the most powerful version of himself to come defeat cell after realising that he can`t defeat cell by training in the hyperbolic time chamber. (i`m talking about current super dragon ball heroes goku, or if you want you can use the T.O.P arc goku)
it`s about if gohan didn`t have the potential.
The music is fucking haunting
"It's turtle all the way down" and "there's always a bigger fish"
Carthu, could you do [What if Raditz never came to earth] video?
I remember when I first watched dbzs I had the passing thought of if someone created the super dragon balls (I thought of it like a namekian) and as such there would be people stronger than that (think of it like a a chain) you got the main cast where there’s namekians then you got the saiyans etc.. but with the super dragon balls you would have this super namekians and then above them the saiyans and that just repeats
So the theory is that even more powerful characters exist for Goku to fight one day? Sounds on point.
Best way to entertain him would be to get him a bunch of books, a TV and some video games.
Now what would happen if cell consumed zeno?
The Zeno theory is mysterious well at least or atleast it sounds like that
I BELIVE ITTT
If zeno is the GoD for this multiverse, I wanna see the Kai that he is tied to
Could you imagine using the most powerful thing ever for a boat when you could use something much weaker for one
Zeno's nickname in the english dub (i won't watch anime unless it's dubbed. It's better than people give it credit for) is Zeni
Do a how powerful are zeno guards are theory
So would this being above zen-oh sama be the supreme kai of the multiverse or is the supreme kai on the same level and there's someone above both of them?
I think that the guy who created the super dragon ball is the person above Zeno or like a kai for the multiverse which could further prove the point Zeno is a GoD for the multiverse
Well, the Namekians came from a new realm entirely (from outside the multiverse) so maybe a Namekian so strong that Zeno and/or the Grand Priest decided that they should watch over the multiverse (thus being the guardian of the multiverse) and then the other Namekians chipped away tiny parts of each super dragon ball and brewing life into them.
Whaddaya think to this?
Cant we just appreciate the fact that zeno is the ruler of all and nobody is above him as stated many times ? I dont think everything needs some big grand theory behind it
I think about it and... Goku is never really scared of Zeno, even after seeing what he can do. He certainly gets a little more cautious but otherwise, Goku just feels as if it's a regular Tuesday. Goku has met and fought people that can simply destroy planets with a wag of their finger. To Goku, Zeno isn't a threat like Vegeta used to be or Frieza is. Zeno is honestly surprisingly fair when it comes to his management of the multiverse, and even made a compromise for the universes that end up getting erased during the TOP. He wanted to see how truly strong and righteous the winning universe was, and see if they could go beyond expectations, even if the G.O.D.s were usually slacking off.